Draft Show: Same Draft Strategy After Free Agency?

Executive producing today. Glad to have him along. Here is Kent Garrison is on assignment at the Owners meeting, so hopefully we'll have something draft related from Stephen Jones. Jerry Jones from the Owners Meetings says they get going there in Florida, gentlemen, I'm getting close to this thing. One month. One month. Well you look tired, Dane. Yeah, okay, it's the last week before the beast comes out. Basic so I haven't been asleep yet tonight or this morning with

time as at ten am. Uh so you know you's got to find pocket of time to sleep and it's got one week to finish. So we're almost there, almost there. Well, it's good to have you back though we missed you the other day. Katie filled in. Well, bet he did well. It's the first time I've actually listened to the Draft show in like four years really because a good point. Yeah, me and Dane aren't sick like you. We don't go back and listen to every episode, so it was it

was good to actually catch an episode. I'll tell you what what you how do you think we did? You did great? Katie did a nice job filling in. Uh, you know, Tay brought some some fire at the end. So you guys did a nice job. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. But it's nice to have you back in that chair. Yeah, it's it's a relief having you

here to be our safety nut. I kind of tease the idea earlier on Twitter that the Cowboys now making some moves, David Hellman, and this is where you come in and In't it nice to go on a show with actual things to talk about that aren't just going to generate sarcastic comments. You know, we'll see how sarcastic

people can be. But now now the narrative, guys changes to things that the Cowboys have done, and there's a couple of official things that you can talk about, Dave, I think the wide receiver well, and then a handful of actually because they agreed to part of it though, well throw it okay, throw in Joe Thomas. So they signed you know, at a retirement. Yeah, gott to clarify there goes, Yeah, we just can a linebacker. Gonna move

the college right in there to guard. They signed a They signed a you know, versatile special teams backup linebackers Thomas h They signed Deonte Thompson, the speedy, uh fourth wide receiver type guy. And then the big news obviously as they signed Alan Hearns on Friday. He figures to be your number two maybe as it looks right now. Honestly, he could play any of the top three receiver spots most likely actually saw it. Plays a lot more or played a lot more on the slot in Jacksonville than

people want to give him credit for. Right um. And then the unofficial news is that they made a handful of movements on the offensive line. Uh, you know, there's nothing official from the club, but it sounds like maybe agreed to terms kind of a thing camera working on agreeing to terms. Cameron Fleming, the oh tackle from New England is expected to sign here back to the sign. There you go, Marcus Martin, the guard Cleveland is expected to sign. There was a third one, wasn't there? Or

did I make that up? You made that up? Oh, I'm sorry. Hey, hey, there might be there were pretty nice signings. There might be another maybe and we don't know it yet, another guard resigning maybe. Oh that's you're right, yeah, big jumbo Joe. Yeah, So we'll kind of wait and see how that'll um. But I mean, so, you know, like I said, there's I don't think there's been any ink on paper yet, so let's not yeah, counting our chickens before they hatch. But if those deals go through,

that's that's what you were looking for, right Dane. I mean that's your your was asking for a guard. You're talking about a guy who could see your redically start for this team at guard and a tackle who's good enough to start if he needs to. I know we already talked about. Um, the possibility that this creates a shuffle in the lineup, maybe they want to start fleming a tackle and move li All back to guard feels super duper premature for those types of conversations, but that

is something that got floated out there. So I mean they've got they've got pieces. Now, they've got starter quality players that they've brought in to help bolster that group. Well, what was the selling you know, not again nothing official yet, but the selling point to Fleming? You know, we're gonna bring you in so you could be our six offensive linemen. Yeah,

swing guy, I agree. I mean that's much of a selling point, you know, unless he can go back to New England and been that exactly, unless you're really overpaying, which you know, we'll find out the the you know, the details, but you know it's something that I'm we're gonna find out the play in here pretty soon, whether that's going to be Collins at guard uh, if they're gonna mix it match try you know, the five best on the field formula, whatever that may be. It's it's

going to be interesting. Yeah, I am. I am interested because again, I want to know, do you guys feel like though this that should any of these moves take them out of it kind of? It shuffles your It shuffles your thought process, doesn't it. That's my question I want to ask. You brought us Yeah, Okay, what does this mean for specifically nineteen in the first round. Yeah, with the additions two wide receivers, party that all of a sudden, that's a crowded wide receiver. Yeah, and and

needs to be needs to be cleaned up. It actually needs And I personally, and we did a mailbag this morning on Dallas Cowboys dot Com where we were talking about didn't feel like that. I didn't feel like that this movement is over with. I don't I don't feel I mean, you said it, Dane, to open the show thirty days until the draft. I think that I think that we're going to see some things here in the

coming days, you know, leading up to the draft. Okay, well, this is what we're gonna do at receiver now, and this is what we're gonna do at you know, offensive tackle. Not that they have to tell us everything. Guard our guard for that thing. So you know, in a week from today, we've got thirty visits coming up for the Cowboys, you know. And and as we come back, maybe on Thursday, David and I will be at Texas A and M Pro Day. I'm gonna get to your question. We have

Texas m Pro Day on Tuesday, University of Texas on Wednesday. Yep, a lot of guys working out at those two places. That would be kind of fun for us to cover that on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But the thirty visit thing will be interesting because I haven't heard any rumors or speculation that the guys that we've talked about, and Christian Kirk is a guy we might see and that's why bringing us up because he was rumored to be

a guy that was a thirty visit guy. And then you know, also though with Calvin Ridley, are there other receivers did they did they say okay that we were gonna go. They might totally remake this receiving corps. They might, I mean, they might just say, you know what, let's change this piece out. Let's change this piece out. Let's change I don't personally feel like me that there's anything off the board right now for the Cowboys as far

as as far as at nineteen, I still think. Look, I still feel like though that I think everything's still in play until we get an idea of where this thing really really is at. Yeah, even with the addition of Hearns and Thompson, you know, if they visit these guys, I mean, the heck they might Christian Kirk? Okay, how do you see Christian Kirk if they had an opportunity to draft at Christian Kirk at nineteen? How do you see or trade back whatever you want to, scenario you

want to how do you see him fitting? Is he just a slot player? Does that mean they're gonna redo things with you know, with Beasley, with Switzer? Are they gonna you know? And Hearns did a lot of his best work out of the slot. Yeah, so I think he's more of an X myself. But that's what I think, Like it was mentioned before, he could really play any of the three and you feel comforable with it. But yeah,

it's they're doing. I think some they're going in the right direction because they're leaving themselves open to take the best player available right that fits kind of their needs, but without having a glaring need where they have to take a receiver, they have to take a guard, they have to take this or that position. So you know, there's gonna be a lot of names that are going to be available there and it's really gonna be interesting to see which way they day lean. And that's I'm

you know. I think I said that in the mailbag we answered this morning, which is this is you know, we're seeing it took a little while, but we're seeing their free agency strategy play out the way that they typically want to do it, which is they've made at least one, if not multiple signings at all of their really big areas of need, with the exception of safety probably, But you know, you added a linebacker mainly special teamer, but can do you know some things to help He

is Santhony Hitching, Yeah he is. He is Kyle Wilbur, but think of him as a Justin Durant. Yeah he don't think of him as Kyle Wilbur. Think of him as Justin. He's Kyle Wilbur, but he can do a little bit more undep. Justin Rant couldn't play specialty. Yeah, there you go. He's in that which you know I think of that. Would they be happy if he's the

only addition they make to their linebacker corp? No? No, But it frees you up to where you don't have to get that guy at nineteen or fifty now if you I mean if you probably still should, but it gives you a little bit of leeway same thing with your offensive lineman. I mean, how exactly they're going to shuffle it, I don't know. But if you you know, you're not in a situation now where Isaiah Wynn has to be your pick because you don't have a left guard and you're not in a situation this is a

visit too. We don't know about Win, but her name who just grow a guard in there. He doesn't have to be your your nineteenth overall pick because you have a guy who can do it. Same thing. Obviously, You've got more than enough wide receivers who can do it right now, so you know, unless something crazy happens, you don't necessarily need to address that early either. Do you think this changes maybe their thoughts on possibly moving up

in the dress. Yeah, that's where I'm going. Go get ro Quan, Yeah, go get Drwin, Go get your top defense. Is that where you're going or is that we're there? Oh? If I was running this team, we'd be flying up. I know, and I agree with you, but I'm like, you know, I care less about our opinion. If I'm Jason Garrett, If I'm Jason Garrett, I want you to trade up. Hell yeah, yeah, I'm not sitting here watching me play with guys that are halfway through the season.

All of a sudden, it's like, oh, we figured it out, and you know your team is two and six. Now, uh know who you're going up to get. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get that linebacker. I'm going to get that safety. I'm going to get one of those two. Those are those are top ten players to me for me and I agree. But and now I know how y'all feel about this, and you know how I feel about this. So um so I'm gonna sound redundant, but I don't care. They signed Joe Thomas

again and helps them sort out that linebacker problem. You could probably wait until later to a draft. Basically, what is a backup to Jayalen Smith? Yeah? What don't you have right now? A badass safety? Right? Yeah? I mean when you look at it, like, what haven't they addressed of all their biggest needs? That's there you go. Yeah, So if I'm going I'm going to get that guy. We don't often take calls, but I'll take one right now.

How about Sean and New York Sean? Go ahead? Hello, Sean? Yeah? Hello? Yeah,

what's go ahead? What do you got man? Yes, hold on, I had a crazy idea why you guys were talking, even though I don't want to get rid of Martin a guard, but what if we could trade Martin and get a few picks trading like to like cleave and get some high price back qualities for him and just pick one of the top guards there, so you could save money by not paying him a big contract and giving them all this money and then you give you four more years because we're running out on a short

window with Dak, because soon Dak is like just gonna be here because we KNOWE. So we started pushing all that money to Martin, we could save them money, put it towards picked, and then Michael overpaid, could draft picked In could probably take on Errol Thomas as a as money that we could save or not even Earl Thomas, or just save our money or just spend our money wisely.

This is what I'm saying. We could save not giving Martin a big pay day, even though I know he's a heart and soul because him if Frederick worked like peanut butter and jelly, Yeah, thank you, Sean, Yeah, yeah, good day, thank you. Appreciate that he guy's interested in trading Zack Martin. I think, well, I get what he's saying. I get what I'm saying. That's out of the box. I appreciate he's got the right idea. If you're you're paying all these guys, you know, the question is who

at the top of the board can you trade? Can you trade Zack Martin to? I mean, that's what I mean. Are we looking at are you looking at trade? Are you trading in Indianapolis? So you trade him? I mean, then why would in Indianapolis to Quentin Nelson. That's that's kind of what I was saying. You're gonna have to you would have to get by the way, just Zack

Martin is an Indianapolis guy. He's from Indianapolis. Yeah, but dad used to work for the NC double A. Yeah, even these teams with all this cap space, like, it wouldn't be a big deal for the Colts or the Browns to sign Zack Martin to a huge deal. But yeah, first of all, the Browns already have guards anyway. Second, that's why Martin didn't bite much at all, well at all. There that Marcus Martin. Yes, yeah, Marcus h that's it's

the same philosophy. Why would the Browns want to take on a sixty seven million dollars contract when they can just draft Quintin Nelson if that's what they want. I mean, Colts is probably a better example because they would need a guard more than the Browns too, But why would you want to pay Zack Martin seventy million to be your guard when you can draft Quentin Nelson and pay him twenty two or the next you know, yeah, half a decade, and with the uncertainty with Tyron, you know,

just for the future. I mean, Tyron when he's healthy, is a top three tackle in this league? Sure, maybe number one? Sure, But with the back I mean backs, you know they don't backs never really get better. Yeah, just kind of have to hide it a little bit, and you just have to worry about that for the future. So I am not getting rid of the best guard, arguably the best guard in football went in creating a

whole amount offensive line. I get the point he's trying to make save some money, save some cap room, but I just can't do it. I mean, yeah, we don't know how those call track negotiations are going. You know, if Zach Martin's really asking for to be the highest paid OFFICEI lineman ever in NFL history, or if he's

being reasonable, I mean, who knows how that's going. But I just can't envision a scenario where I would look to get rid of him, not only and I mean I certainly would have thought that deal would have been done by now, certainly sure, But even with the delay, I'm still very confident it will get done, even if I mean, if he got to if he's got to play this year on the one year option, which I

think they would prefer not to do. I don't know, but but you know, by the time next league year rolls around, when he would be headed for free agency, they'll they'll work something out. And Zach Martin's not going in with thought. What I'm worried about right now is the price of poker to go and get a pick

up in that top twelve. Now with the way teams are scramming to get quarterbacks, well maybe I'm worried if someone's going to really hold you up, you know, for something that you I mean, we've always thought about fifty's being the one way to get there, always thought about, hey flip fifty and go go get a guy, Go get in the top, Go get in the top eleven if you can. But I just kind of I'm a little worried now. I want to go, I do want to go. I want to go, be aggressive on it,

but I have I'm a little worried about that. I have a couple of thoughts there. One is that we're seeing a fun amount of movement movement at the top of the draft. Right, Jets have already gone up everybody. I mean, it's a poorly kept secret that the Bills are trying. I mean, they're gonna go up right, you know all that. So you're in a position where a lot of these quarterbacks could be gone way before pick ten.

I mean, you know, I mean Darnold Rosen, Alan Mayfield, we would maybe all agree, will be gone by eight. Very possible. Yeah, And so I mean that leaves Lamar Jackson is a bit of a wild card, but there might not be that much of a quarterback market left by the time you're talking about pick ten or two.

So I think teams are reasonable too. I mean, if who were sitting there at nine, say San Francisco, say they want to move back, it's a little different when Arizona calls them and they you know they're going to get a quarterback. Well, San Francisco is gonna ask for a little bit more as opposed to Dallas, who is going up to get a safety. Asking price will be

a little bit different. Now, if you know, if if Dallas offers nineteen and fifty and says best offer there, it is they're gonna go to Arizona and say, okay, well we need your first second plus next US two or whatever right they ask. If they don't do it, they might go with the Cowboys offer. So yeah, it's there's a good chance the quarterbacks we wiped out in the top eight or so, and so nine, ten, eleven possible trade up spots. Do you think people will be

trading up though? Okay, then if you all those quarterbacks should go in, then now you're talking about really good positional players being there though too, Runner, right, guards, that's how it works. I mean, good players is gonna complying backers. But I think there's gonna be teams willing to get out. This is not well. Do you think Ballard at six is willing to bail? Absolutely? I mean I think he's very comfortable sitting where he is and taking Quentin Nelson,

Bradley Chubb a stud. If let's just say three quarterbacks, you go into top five, he's guaranteed Chub, Barkley or Nelson, He's guaranteed one of those three players right, arguably the three best players in this draft. So he feels great

with where he is at six. But he is definitely listening to offers to go back, even if it's into the teens, in the twenties, you know, wherever it is, to you know, get more players, because he knows he needs to rebuild a roster, and I think he's gonna do that through the second round picks and into even next year's picks. I got another question for you too, to go along with that. All right, let's say somebody

does try to hold you up. How how crazy are you willing to get because they got all those picks, they got all those compics, right, Yeah, I think Jerry Jones called him a godsend in Indianapolis. You've got that, You've got the could you could you I'm not. I'm not because you got one thirty seven, which is a fourth. I'm not giving up eighty one in a deal to move up in the first round. I'm already and let's you know, I have about fifty one thirty seven, that's

what I'm saying. Fifty and a fourth, even fifty and one sixteen maybe to land a guy that's gonna, you know, start and do a lot for you from day one. Yeah, and maybe ask for a fifth back. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I'm do We let's let's figure out real quick here if we could, what's what's the what would be if the draft was just the way it is. What's the landing spot for Roquan Smith? I gotta imagine, I mean, just give me a number. Don't get I mean, I'm

not asking you, I'm not asking a team. Just give me the number between nine and thirteen. I was gonna say nine and fifteen, but yeah, nine and thirteen. How about Derwin James? Six and twelve? That's fair. I think Tampas lakes him a lot of seven. So six to twelve, Yeah, that makes sense. What's gonna make the most sense for us to go? Guys? That's I think this is only a conversation. I mean, we we've kind of helped ourselves with three as we think just you know, kind of

cleaning up some things. We think, let's go, let's go do this. This is only a conversation you can have. I think if the guy you're targeting gets to nine or ten, oh, with all these quarterbacks going, we got a shot. Sure, but I'm the I mean when you're you're you're at nineteen, so I mean, you know, trying to get up. Okay, let's say the Bucks really do love Derwin James to get to seven and especially I mean if a quarterback is still on the board too.

You're talking fifty and one thirty seven. Is that enough? Let's let's throw it out up to seven. Yeah. I don't know if that's it. I don't fifteen hundred on Tampa's pick at seven. It's gonna cost you two or three and four? Maybe we can there you go, yeah, that's so you're a whole pick short of where you need to be, and I can't give up two and three? Could you give all? Right? How about this is the one I talked to you about. Let's go to San Francisco at nine A two and a four. Ye, that's

we talked about that. That's fifty and one thirty seven. Maybe huh nine I can do? Yeah? Would everybody feel good about going to nine. Yeah, yeah, I'm offering the second round pick and saying that's the best offer you're gonna get. That's it. And initially that's it. You're you're telling their GM. That's I'm telling John Lynd. You're telling this is the best offer you're going to get. That's

it's out there. Take it. We're gonna have. We're gonna have the whole Cowboys fan base convinced that this is happening. And when in reality and they're gonna we're just talking they're gonna stand in at nineteen, and okay, if they stand in at nineteen, it's Vanderesh, right, you meant you're protecting. It's like psycholog the other day. The other day we talked about you heard the show. Yeah, I guess we did a mock draft of the magazine. Guess who I picked?

You took the boys? He said, yes, yes, I did. Yes, It's like all just reverse psychology. Would rather I would rather give the two in the four and go then I would stand and pick nineteen. And I like Vanderesh, but yeah, I would rather go get the better player. Yeah, I would be And I tweeted this last night. I would be more excited about vander Esh at nineteen than it was about Taco at twenty eight last year. That's fair. That, that's fair. I can get on board with that too.

And I know, like nobody wants to hear this because you know, you want your first round pick to like light the world on fire. I get that. But I can talk myself into vander Esh and Rashaan Evans because ideally they're not They're you're not putting the world on their shoulders. You know, ideally they're they're not a starter, which you want your nineteenth overall pick to be a starter. I get that he wants his first three picks to

be starters. I think that should be the goal. Ever called out on Twitter the other day about that, didn't you I did? Somebody called you out on Twitter about that. That should be a goal every year, and we've seen it.

We've seen it like this team is. I know, Okay, make fun of the Jaalen Smith pick all you want, but more often than not, they're getting starter caliber players when they're picking in the top one hundred at least, you know, in the last four three years, I'm all four with what they've done in free agency to kind of shore up some things. If they're planning on moving guys around and stuff. It gives you, let's go, It gives you the flexibility to do what you think is best.

And I mean it gives you you we're talking about a team. Well we're talking about it aggressively. But it also gives you the flexibility. And again, you got to have a trade partner. But if you're not in love with anybody at nineteen, you don't need that badass so badly that you can't trade back for more picks. I just s don't want to be sitting there at nineteen and go, gosh, dang, And I made seven calls and no,

I mean, I'm trying. I'm trying. It happens, you know, but nobody's nobody's willing to do anything I got, you know what, even and happens Paul John Lynch. The other side of that too is and we talk all the time about how they got fleeced in the Travis Frederick trade. Yeah,

but if you don't love Frisco Osius one. But well, I'm saying, if you don't love the mind them of that, if you don't love your options at nineteen, would you maybe let somebody underpay to come up and let's you know, you drop back to like twenty four or twenty five. Maybe all you get out of as a third round pick, but you still feel good about what you're gonna know. No, this is where. No, I've got ten picks. No, tiny Jim, I'm not interested in adding any more picks. I'm interested.

I'm interested in getting another third round picks, another opportunity to try to find the starter. Keep your last move. You can move back and then move back up and move around. You ever say yeah, open my work those phones, open mind those guys they laugh at you when you try and do that. Can you have sometimes? Can you

make trades after the first rump? Sure you can't? Okay, what if you guys want to keep adding picks so you won't take Will Hernandez at twenty five and add pick eighty five and wouldn't do that and then use pick fifty and eighty five to go up to get thirty five and get your guy, whoever that may be. Come on, Brian, think outside the lot, thinking outside the box. I've lived this. I've lived when that phone does not ring, trust me, I've lived That sounds like a bad feeling. No, guys.

You guys are like, oh, throw magic dust on at the phone ring. Oh that is so false. Nor mister trade, Oh I love the trade. I'm about going up the more picks. I mean, Brian likes getting rid of his resources. Adding, I just like going to get really good players. That's my eye. I think we all agree with that. We would all. You told me I could get the linebacker

at nine, or get Will Hernandez at twenty seven or whatever. Okay, by the way, is there any chance, any chance at Baker Mayfield makes it out of the top fifteen With these quarterbacks, anything's possible. Aaron Rodgers fell to twenty four. You know, anything's possible to these quarterbacks. But I would be surprised. There's just too many desperate quarterback desperate teams. Whether that's and Jackson's gonna be the last man stand? Could someone take White ahead of Jackson? Mike White White,

I don't. I have not heard anyone that likes Mike White as much as you do. Okay, I like, I know some teams. I do know. No, I know some teams that like it. But I'm just curious. In the first round, I've never I haven't heard that. I hope. I hope the league's not sleeping on Lamar as much as we they are, Like, I hope Lamar gas. I don't like the top twelve. He's going somewhere first round. Keep adding third round picks. Sorry, we've got ten already.

Prepare myself. This team hasn't gone up in the first round in the time I've worked here. I know they did it for MO, they haven't done it in the six years since. So I'm just trying to embrace myself for the probability that it's not happening. All Right, I owe Douglas a break here. When we come back, we're gonna get in a little twitter on the twenty, so stay tuned. It can be hard to find the right

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Twitter on the Twitter. You got it. David Helman got a leftover from Thursday that I promised I would get in for a good friend of the show, the inimitable Bob sturm Ah. He wants I wanted you to be part of this specifically, Dane, because you're the big ten guy. He wants a comparison of sa Quon, Barkley and Zeke and where you would favor one over the other. Zeke is he's better in pass protection? Yes, um, I think pass catching they're pretty equal. I mean I don't think

one is clearly better than the other. Yes, I think sae Quon came a long way this year and he's more than just a screen guy. He'll run some routes. He will he'll go down the scene routes. Yeah, he'll do a little bit more that for you. So I think they're they're comparable as pass catchers. Where Zeke gets the edge for me is he is a true chameleon back. Where it's third and one, he can use power and he can get you that one yard. If it's first and ten, he can bounce it outside and get you

twelve yards. He can do whatever the defense is gonna let him do, or whatever you need as an offense, where Barkley isn't really that type of back. He's got a little more juice. He's a little freakier with his athletic talent. But in terms of the running back specific traits, vision, patients, decision making, I think that's where Zeke gets the edge. For me, Barkley's outstanding. I give Zeke the edge because I think he's just a better running back. Yeah, I see.

I think he thumbnailed him perfectly for Bob, I really really do the thing that you know when you look at Barkley, a lot of it is the playing sideways and then him you know, with the snap and then hand I mean, and then we saw some of that stuff with Zeke but I always felt like that Zeke was more of a downhill player with the football in his hands right, you know, North South, Yeah, attacking where Barkley's make first guy miss and then it's you know,

try and find. I just think that the point he makes about the pass block, I mean you watch you watch him at Ohio State. I mean he was stoning guys and where Barkeley's a little bit more of a getting away cut, you know, kind of not play. But I mean he's not afraid. It's not a it's not a it's not a thing where he's a coward er. But I will say this though, the thing that I really I think where Barkeley's got him is balance. I think there's time. I mean that Iowa game, I'm watching it.

He's running full sprint right left sideline and he stops, I mean completely stops, and like you know, Josie Jewel and everybody's flying by him. They're all flying. That can't be Jackson. He wouldn't be in there, but at Josie Jewel and all that guy's flying by him, and then he's and then as everybody's going by him, now he I mean he's got inches along the sideline and he

then he continues one. I mean as people are going by him, and I think that's where you know, the ability to spin, to move, to navigate, to get through tight little cracks. Yeah, that's that. That guy's got that special ability. He really really he's freaky in terms of athletic ability, and it shows on the field. One thing that does worry me about Barkeley is running backs who stopped their feet in the backfield. Yeah, that that were

in college. That worries me when you project him to the pros because there's just less time that you have to stop, reset your eyes and find that developing lane. In the NFL, he's got to do it quicker, and he can't stop his feet as much as he does, or he's gonna get in trump. Mean, that's what a guy like like Trent Richardson. Yeah, that's why he's not in the league anymore. Stopped his feet in the backfield,

couldn't reset in time. I'm not saying Barkeley is gonna be Trent Richardson, but that's one area where I do have some pause with with with Barkley. But I mean, we're still talking about an running back prospect. He's he's right, though, I mean, it's just it's a he's that balance the balances, and yeah, that might have been the best running back one of the best running back tapes I've ever He's getting hit and hand down, one leg spinning. I mean,

it's it's impressive, it really really is. And but I I, you know, I it's funny because in this draft I would have Barkley in my top three, and Zeke was my second best player behind Miles Jack in that draft side Miles Jack one and Zeke second. So I think that would mean I would have in this draft I will have I'll have Barkley third. Probably I'm my top fifty will be out here. So if Zeke was, if just as a prospect was in this draft, he would be ahead of Barkley in my opinion, you would. Yeah,

we agree. I know. We said at the top of the show it's two early to speculate, but we're gonna do it for Mica anyway, because Michael wants to know, what do you think is the better scenario? Plug Marcus Martin In at left guard and leave the line the same as it was, assuming these signings go through just for Clarity's sake, or and have Cam Fleming, but your swing tackle or Bumpy Collins to left guard. Uh, put Cameron Fleming at right tackle and use Martin as kind

of your backup interior swing guy. We're still interested in drafted a guard at nineteen. We speak for yourself. Ah, I'm just asking you. Look, you've watched more Martin more than I have. I have, and I you know what I think Martin. I think Martin has got some Joe Joe Lune some uh some Rolyn Cooper. No, the Ron Larry Arry. Yeah, I think remember, no, remember when Ron Larry David was was big and we first we first remember he was big. He really didn't get left down.

Yeah after fifth Yeah, after after they after they took his job away. What he do He went out, remade his body, became a better second level player. Now he's making really great money with the Broncos. Yeah. I think that. I think with with Martin, I see that kind of that early I see the early Ron Larry that that big, not always at the second level, you know, but still the power the know. I just I kind of feel like though he has some starting traits, not perfect by

any means, but Ron Lurie was the same way. Ron Lurie didn't have that initially, Like you put him in there as a starter and he you know, it wasn't always pretty with him. I think Martin's the same way me personally. I think, man, it would be very hard for me to move I hate while Collins from right tackle. After I saw, after I've seen him for a year, he played so well, played well. I mean, once he figured out at training camp that that, you know, I

can't just run everybody past the quarterback. I've got to I've got to you know, I've got a punch, i gotta keep in balance, I've got to use my hands. I've got to get my kickstep right, i gotta be in position, i gotta get my head back. Once he figured all that stuff out, it was pretty easy for him.

Not only that, but to move him out there and extend him before he ever played a game at right tackle, like it's it's suggested this long term plan, you know, and to bounce him back to the other side after one season, it's like wish washy, like like waffling. They're

not sure what to do. So if I'll tell you what though, if you told me fleming at right tackle is a good option, though, yeah, is a good option, and if it meant it's okay, we're gonna be if it's if it's the best five theory, and you know what, I'll I'll readily admit that that's probably it's it's more than a little bit of Homerism on my part Lyle went to he went to my school. Sure, he's a great school too, great guy, I would argue, top top five, nicest dude in the locker room, Like I just I

root for him. So if I mean when he plays, it's he's the essence of like a gentle giant. Like you can tell he's mean as hell on the field. Don't you never see an ounce of that anywhere off the field? Um, I just don't want to see all but well, you're a preparation that he had exactly but in all sense, like okay, well here we're gonna make you.

I mean, he's thinking, if that's outside outside, and now you kick him back inside and you're like, if that really gives you the best fabled starting five, which I think is kind of a flawed concept in the first place. But if that's if that's it killed Chaz Green, if that's what it takes then whatever. But I would rather just plug a guard in and leave the rest of it alone. But that's probably gonna depend on what they might have told Fleming to get him to sign him. Yeah,

I don't know that. Yeah, obviously they told him that. Hey, you know, I don't think he could stay in New England and be a swing tackle. Yeah he started Super Bowl in an AFC championship game, by the way, for you, Yeah, um, all right, we're talking about cleaning up that wide receiver room. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think. I think this is possible. But could you could you package Dez into a trade to move up in the draft. That'd be surprising. That's

just a hell of an unwieldy contract. Try to the contract, I mean, does I don't think his trade value is very high right now, coming off the season that he that he had. I mean, I guess it's if your plan is to cut him, then I guess you might as well trade him and get something for him. But I don't think that he has the value that Cowboys fans think he does. Well. I think I disagree with you a little bit because I think he has a ton of value as a free agent. I think he

has no value on the contract that he's on right now. Yeah, that I agree. Yeah, as a free if he was cut and he had signed, I mean, he would have plenty of calls within five minutes. Yeah, But in terms of like they're not trading nineteen and does Bryant to go up to pick eight right if that's not happening, No way. So that's where I think it's a little unrealistic because of the contract. But yeah, no, I agree, if he's on the open market, he's definitely getting calls.

I'm just I don't know, I'm fascinated by what's going to happen at that position, even even if what happens is nothing Like let's just say that's their receiver group, that's something that's but that's that's still really interesting to me, you know, how that dynamic works with I mean, Dez isn't just going to forget that he was kind of dangling out there for the last two and a half months, you know. I mean, so that is something just seems

really strange to me. And maybe I'm the only one to think in this, but I felt like if they were going to keep him around, wouldn't they have made the talk to him and saying, hey, this is what we're gonna do to your salary. You would think that's kind of where I would think that maybe you're like, Okay, hey, you're in the plans, pig fella, this is what we're gonna do. This is our plan with us, or you're against us. You would think, yeah, at do you know

they haven't. I don't get the feeling that they have. It doesn't. I don't get the vibe that it's like this open. The receiver says that he's good. But let's let's see. I think when he says he's good, I think that means he's at peace with it. Whatever happenever happens, is going to happen real quick. Let's go to Eric

and Houston. Eric, what do you got? All right? Well, I have this idea about so why with super situation, Well my things out of the box like this, why don't we trade Beasley and Tenant Williams to get picks so we can get more picks and get more picks to go up to get our going James or a rock Way Smith okay, a third or four? Okay again, thank er. I think that's probably another situation where you overvalue what a guy's worth. I mean, sounds great in theory,

but where's that call coming from? Cole Beasley. I think the world of him, and he's had a couple of really fantastic years. Here he's on a one year deal and no offense to him. But if you want Cole Beasley, you can go get him anywhere from the third to the seventh round of the draft, right exactly. So, the thought of giving up a draft pick to pay a guy ten times more than what you would have to pay a rookie to do the job thirty some catches

last year. Yeah, anyway, even they need to get him going, even I mean they were rolling along. When they were rolling along though at sixteen, he was one of the reasons why you were winning football games, and that, you know. I My intention is not to sound condescending, but anytime fans ask questions like that, I'm like, well, you're why are you trying to get rid of him? If he's worth what you think he's worth, right, Like, why are you so desperate to move on from him? If you

think somebody's gonna give that for him? That's it. I mean, these guys, I me if we want to trade Cole Beasley after last year, the two sixteen season we had when he had value exactly, but now that value especially he's making over four million dollars at a slot guy who you know, you just don't know what you're gonna get next year out of him, so at best you're getting a late rounder for him, at best. I really, I really love this question, so I have to fit

it in before we got it right. Um, and this is from Nick. He's using Ronald Jones as an example. So he just says so, but don't worry about the name. But he says, say Ronald Jones falls to fifty And basically I'm gonna reword the question. So it's how far does a running back prospect have to fall for you to consider doing that? Obviously you've got a thought at eighty one this team doesn't need running back in a huge way. Yeah, we kind of are, That's what I'm saying.

I mean, at some point that it becomes such a bargain. But see with Ronald Jones, like he didn't catch the ball a lot in college. Yeah, and if I'm drafting a running back for this team, I need a guy that's going to be game pass protect and he can he can do something in the passing game catching the ball.

So with Ronald Jones, as much as I like him, I don't know if he carry on Johnson, I was gonna say, it's substitute, you're running back off your Well, I mean not that I think it'll happen, But what about Darius geis just I mean, at what point to value any? Yeah? Any? What I mean? I was thinking that and the again, the mock drafted I did for the I think we all picked in the third at eighty one. Maybe you picked in the fourth. I think I picked running back at one sixteen nicked times at

eighty one. I'd say that that makes sense because of the value that what he can do to your aw. He's not a true running back, he's an offensive weapon. Yeah. You know, you can line him up in the slot, you can line him up in the back. Yeah. Yeah. He was a track guy and then he played wide receiver, played running back, played a little bit of everywhere. He doesn't have a true position, so that would make some sense.

But no, it's an interesting thought because I think they will draft a running back at some point in the draft, and ideally you'd like that to be Day three, but if the right running back falls, you do have to consider it. And it's just depends on how you're going to use him, because Zeke's not coming off the field. No. In a lot of situations, can they co exist in the field at the same time based on their skill sets. You just have to know what you what you're getting.

If you're gonna take a running back at the top three rounds something, I think something pretty amazing would have to happen for them to go on Day one or two. That's but it's an interesting thought because I mean if I mean, like I said, at what point does the value of the player exceed the fact that you don't really need him? And I mean something great, like if

Ronald Jones was there at fifty, I'd be hard. Yeah, I think no, I think you have like at Sony Michelle or okay, yeah, see, okay, okay, all right, but at fifty Michelle at eighty one, yea, at eighty one, okay, because I was gonna, I was gonna, I was gonna kind of ask you. You just told me this guy doesn't catch the ball or doesn't get many opportunities. If you watch the Georgia kids. Neither one of them get out catching the football either. But he he had like

twenty four catches. I mean, it was more than some of these other guys plus on well, I mean, what was Ronald Jones was he? I mean I saw some Ronald Jones plays where he's like kind of in the kind of like floating around and all of a sudden he gets behind a linebacker. Next thing you know, it's a touchdown. I think it was a goods Utah plus or Arizona, one of those teams on at on third downs, Ronald Jones caught fourteen balls last year at george on

third downs. H it wasn't Nick Chubble on the field most times it was Sony Michelle. Sure, and so that was kind of their third down guy. No, and they didn't use them a lot in the passing game, but they trusted him to pass protect and to be there. Yeah there you guy, all right. Yeah, college running backs not having impressive tape in the passing game, I think is more a product of college offenses than them not being able to do it. You know, it was more

sample size. Yeah, it was a not I think the blocking thing gets my attention more if you're if you're really bad at it, right, especially where it gets around like whoa, that's where Yeah, how could I put any Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Penny, exactly, especially if you're I mean, you're not drafting a guy to be your first and second down running back. You're drafting a guy to fill a different role. So could you better be able to block? If you if we get all these picks you guys want, we might be

able to draft. Oh yeah, we trade back in the first, add a third, Yeah, get a running back with that pick. That's a great idea, exactly. That's what you guys got going. We're gonna do that, all right, I'm in all right, one more question, David play all right, um, all right, well this one is pertinent to our interests. Brian Joseph wants to know can Connor Williams do anything this week at his pro day to boost his draft stock? I feel like a very polarizing prospect in this year's draft.

Is he gonna play a two hundred ninety six pounds now? He said he's playing waits three or five. Okay, so when he measures in on Wednesday, it's going to be three or five. I'd be surprised if it was under three hundred. Yeah, so what are you here to see what it is? Do you? He's he a tackler guard for you? See he looks like a guard to me. Well, you won't be a I mean you're not. I think the the guys around the league. I feel like it's split. Oh yeah, some tackles guard. Did I kind of tell

you that a long time ago. I feel like I'm right about something here. Every once in a while, I tried to get you. I tried to get you to play a guard. I thought. I tried to. Yeah, and I information you gave me the Lamar Jackson because I don't. I don't. I have some reservations there. But I get why some people want to move in inside a car. I get trust people you trust want to move in to guard or these guys that you don't trust. No, I mean guys that as a no. Some people sometimes

sometimes they know yeah, sometimes they're are not. Yeah exactly cost Man, Uh but no, it's uh. Is he the top guy you're gonna watch next two days? Yeah? Well, Kirk at A and M I'm interested to see what to do with what is the safety? Yeah, because I've kind of hammered him as that I love your sometime player a bit, and we gotta remember Puna wasn't. I want to see you know who I like. I like watching to see who works these guys out with teams,

with positions with teams. Yeah, what positional coach is there? That's what That's what'll get me. And like our guys too, like Holton Hill and those guys are working out. I'm interested to see Malik because y'all, y'all wrote him off in week one. Y'all are like, guess he's a guess or he's not that good. The people in Austin will tell you he's a guess or we'll see. We'll see if people who make the decisions agree and that's their in the third round. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. You could

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tell me Morris, we got John in Indonesia is calling. Wow, John, Welcome to the program. What's going on, sir? How are we doing? I wanted to ask a couple of questions. Go ahead, I'm doing right. It's the middle of the night over here. It's like a midnight anyway. I wanted to ask about Tyron Smith's back, okay, relative to Cameron Fleming, because it seems like maybe they're inducing him to come by basically paying him as a starting tackle, even if they really do mean for him to be a swing

tackle who starts like seven games. You know, they're kind of like banking the fact that they may have to start him quite a lot um And they're basically saying like we want three starting tackles period. That's a fairy thing. I wanted to ask you guys about is uh is of the position groups like of guard, safety and linebacker? Which one is um kind of the most deep? Like who who's who's better? Who can we wait until the third round to draft? But it that way? Okay? And

that's my question. All right, John, thank you so much for listening worldwide. Yeah, stay safe out there, man, love hearing that the UN's really irving. And yeah, that which is smart. It's la yes, smart. I don't doubt I don't doubt. No, man, we just got enough, got them all we do. We appreciate that, dope. All right, talk about that, Tyran. I like his story about that. That's a really good point, isn't like, I mean, we're not I haven't heard that yet. We're not privy to these meetings. Uh,

I mean I don't. I don't know what their pitch was. I saw Ian Rappaport saying that his deal is worth about three point five million, which is it's I mean they paid their pan lyle seven seven eight. Yeah, uh so, I mean it's not top of the line money by any stretch, but it's it's better than what they paid Byron Bell to do the same job. That was absolutely minimum. So they clearly wanted to invest. Um, you know all, you know, knock on wood, everybody's everybody's hopeful that uh

that Tyrone's gonna be fine. He's been part of Captain's workouts. Yeah, he seems like he's heard it rumor that he went to not rumor, but someone reliably reported me he was out in California, you know, working on stretching, yoga, I believe it, weight training, all that stuff. Then it kept him from having to get like back surgery. So we'll see.

I mean, hopefully all that works out exactly. But good on them for if you want to call it an overpay or just if you want to call it smart spending on their part right to make sure they've got a guy, which again all the more reason I would I would just prefer to have three really good tackles, yeah, and put somebody else at guard. But if they're if the best five is the way they want to go, there's nothing I can say to stop him. But I

would prefer it the other way around. Deep position, give him somebody guard safety linebacker, right, I mean I don't think not a name. I mean, I don't think any of the three are really that deep, but maybe linebacker out of the three. Right. In terms of finding a potential starter, we mentioned Malik Jefferson. I think he's a guy you can get in the third. I like Fred Warner a lot from BYU Josie Jewel. I think he's

more of a second but who knows. He's not the you know, he might not be a fit for every defense because he's not an elite athlete. He could be available there. And then you've got some I mean Darius Leonard from South Carolina State, a player that Cowboys have shown a lot of interest in. Has his wartz, coming from a smaller school, but he's in that third round mix. He could be an option. So I think linebacker. You

feel comfortable finding a guy? Yeah, and that kind of goes against everything we've been talking about going up for Roquan or in Desh at nineteen. Linebacker more so than guard or safety. I feel good about finding that starter second or third round. Yeah, I'm just going to get the best linebacker in the draft, maybe one of the best. Yeah, no, I do, but but that's yeah, No, he's right. I think that you're you know, he named off the guys like you said, you know, Jewel, I like Avery a

little morning you. I know that Leonard was You're right there with him with Griffin from Central I mean Central Flo that's kind of a third fourth round guy for some people. Warner from BYU Bellamy, I mean there's some guys there, so yeah, let's kind of keep an eye on that CINCHI I mean, I haven't I need to find out about the medical Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need. I need to ask. I need to ask about that one. I'm not I'm not the expert on y'all's level, but

I mean I've watched. I've watched some tape. I've got some I just after Derwin James and maybe you Boyd Bates from Wake Forest, like Golden. I know y'all love Golden, but I love Golden, but I season Nickel. I mean I don't love him as much as a free Is there a safety in this draft? I think if you're not drafting a safety at nineteen or fifty or with a first or second round pick wherever that is, you're not getting a guy that's better than what's on the

team right now. Like you're not getting a guy that's gonna beat out Xavier Woods baits that's yeah, like first, I mean in the second round, there might stay around. There might be three safeties that fit that bill. Otherwise, I'm just like, well, Cavan and Xavier Woods are just as good as Woods. Um tackles better. Yeah, I mean if you if you had told me I could have one or the other right now. And I loved and I loved Woods. We both yeah, we pushed for that.

And I'm gonna have a close close eye on Rashaan Galden in twenty eighteen because y'all are blowing this guy up like he's Marcus Willie. Watch him, all right, We'll see where he goes. I mean because obviously landing and fit, how how did the team use him? That'll be big for him because again I think some figure out this guy's a good football play. I'm gonna I'm like, I'm gonna take notes during the draft and like do a hypothetical like this would be Dane and Brian's draft pass.

But I'm I'm taking notes on the guys that you love and the guys that you had. I love our draft. I get the best part about the best part, but the you have to do this as an evaluators. You have to self evaluate and you know what you've got wrong in the past, what you did right, so you know where you need to get better. And self evaluating is almost more important than anything else you do. All right, Dave,

have about a couple of tell me Morse if you would, yeah. Um, and I also know to promote our magazines and stuff like that for what okay, our own, our own people. The Dallas Cowboys have confirmed that Cameron Fleming had signed. Okay, so very good. So Cameron Cameron Fleming and he's in details on the deal, uh, not from us, like I said, Rappaport said three point five length of the deal one oh just one year deal. Yeah, so actually Dane just touched on this guy, so um, I definitely want to

get him in there. And I know we've talked about him before, but like you said, we've heard the name Darius Leonard linked to the Cowboys a decent amount. So I just want y'all to tell me more. Where can we get him? What can he do? All that good stuff? Third round probably right, and that's why I got him. Yeah, and I think that's realistically where you're going to get him. The same school as Joe Thomas Well and remember uh

my boy, Javon Hargrave. Yeah, Javon Hargrave is back to back the MEAC Defensive Player of the Year when thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and then this guy's teammate was the me ACT defensive Player of the Year or two thousand and sixteen and two and seventeen really productive. He had over one hundred tackles last two years. Uh, he looks the part you know he's got. He's that rangey frame. Sure, he's got

range on the field. There are some times in space where he needs to be better breaking down, finishing tackles. I think he get better with his play strength. But a guy that competes, a guy has reliable football character, I think he's gonna be The Cowboys are not the only team that are gonna be in on him. So I don't even know if he lasts to eighty one, he could be gone by that point. He's a good player. I tell you, Dane's hit him just I mean, that's exactly what I saw on the player, and I saw

a finisher. That's the thing, man, you know, when you see this guy, I mean, there's some finish to his game. He's also got some pop he does his hands. I mean when he when he's running and he's hitting people, and then he's getting to the ball and finishing play. So Dan Dane is exactly right. Looking at my notes, I mean the part about the breaking down in space that was something that I had as well. I'm in the middle of my notes. Thank you very much, appreciate that.

UM stick with that trend because I am interested. You know, linebackers that you can get after the obvious ones. So what about Arizona States DJ Calhoun? M hmm, not the not the best linebacker on that team. No? Uh was his name? Sam? Christian Christian Sam he was. I've heard he's a fourth rounder, fifth rounder round their early day three. Yeah, I wasn't his high on Calhoun. No, on Calhoun, I

know only he's a draftful player myself. Boom. Yeah, Then tell me about Christian Sam Christians He's a local kid and Allen, maybe you're he's Christian Sam He's I was surprised how good he was when I watched him. He I didn't expect much, but he plays hard. Uh At. He's very strong at the point of attack. Physical. Uh It flows to the ball well, can see through blocks. I was pleasantly surprised at how physical player he was because and he's not the he's not the biggest guy,

but he plays bigger than he looks. Yeah, I tell you what was impressed. I thought there was some quickness to his game. I thought he had to feel for where the ball was going, and he was kind of working that way. You can see him drop driving coverage. The problem is he'll jump around blocks though, and that, and then a yeah, and all of a sudden, it's like balls at me. He's jumping around a block and then next you know, he's in a bad position there.

But I'll tell you what, though, on the goal line, he showed some physicality. There were some times where Arizona State is backed up and this guy is shooting gaps and being taken on blocks and all that stuff. You love the toughness about the kid. He is the mid round version of real Kuan Smith. Yeah, you know, like he's not tell me that. I'm saying, like take over six one h thirty seven. Yeah he's not, you know, but but he's not. He doesn't have that. He doesn't.

He's got some quick but he doesn't have that where Smith is gone. I'm saying, obviously, he's not a first rounder for a reason. He's a fourth or fifth round for a reason. You said the name. But he's a mid round version of that. You said the name, and I'm gonna remember that for the rest of the draft. Process. All right, we got a show coming on Shannon and Nate Newton and those guys. Kurt Um so Cameron Fleming

is is done down. Joe Looney is also back. So Joe Looney, there you go, showing up that showing up real quick. Before we get out of here, we got the Draft magazine is coming out Dallas Cowboys, the Star magazine, So make sure you check that out. That will be something that there we go. Nice job, Douglas. That's something that we're gonna be working on. It should be out here next week sometime. And then also Dane Brugo was talking about the reason he's so tired but it's coming

and fought through is because of the Beast. The Beast will be available next weekend next week, right Andy, wait Monday, a week from right now. Week from right now, we'll have the he'll tweet out the link and all that. We'll keep all that for you. So make sure again Star Magazine and the Beast and you will be set for the draft. So okay, for all my scouting buddies, Dan Buruglo, David Helmet, and for Douglas, thank you so

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