Draft Show: Round 1 Review; Day 2 Preview

this draft. I'll tell you what. We're all gonna need a Miller Light with all the news. It's kind of breaking right now. Dame Brugler will be joining us here shortly. He has an assignment that he is working on, but he will come into the building and join the fray. We will talk about things. We're gonna reset this draft for you, talk about the guys who are on the board,

still available, plenty of quality names of guys. I did a little research this morning, calling around the league and talking about some particular guys and you know, maybe why or why not on some certain players. But now that I have David Hellman in here, David Jason Witten. Yeah, and I know about I know the show before us talking Cowboys Break. I know that they all got together.

We're talking a little bit about Witten. The news came down from Chris Mortenson at ESPN that Jason Witten is retiring and going into Monday Night football, and I've listening to Stephen Jones talk about it. For the record, I feel like it's worth pointing out that, you know, Jason is expected to have a meeting with Jerry Jones today or had one. Right, everything I've read is that there's a caveat that he could change his mind. But okay, it certainly seems like all arrows are pointing toward him

being done playing for the Cowboy. I'll tack Chris Mortenson on this one. Yeah, because Chris Mortenson of esp and generally when he throws something out right, it's usually coming from your right, the top of the food chain. So yeah, and the fact that he works for ESPN and ESPN has money Night football, Yeah, I think they kind of know what they're talking about. But you're fear fair. You're doing your journalistic duty by pointing out as I'm just

driving the train off the track. But I mean, like I said, you always want to leave, especially when it comes to retirement. You want to leave some legal room. Think about Brett Farve. Yeah, well yeah that was a yo, yo. But it like I said, I feel pretty confident that this is gonna stick. Yeah, because I do too. I'm with you on this. Yeah. Okay. With that being said, David, a confidence factor that you have in the tight ends, the current roster of tight ends for the Dallas Cowboys.

How do you feel about that group? And can I convince you to potentially take a tight end in this draft? I this isn't enough time for me to process everything because and I see your tweets. I've gotten at least six tweets saying I jinx the Cowboys because I've been the one ending on the table demanding that they not waste a draft pick on a tight end because Jason Witch kept trying to tell you take Ian Thomas third

eighty one. I'm in, I'm in now, I'm in now. Um. I mean like, I'm proud of you for having the uh the under See, you're learning this a scout. You gotta learn. Hey, when you's when you're wrong, you're wrong. You move on. Wait, well, and I I would argue that I was not wrong, not that high. I thought Jason Witten was gonna be here in twenty six, twenty eighteen, and I didn't make a lot of sense for me. But if he's not here, uh, it's hard to call one of the best tight ends of all time a

progress stopper. But yeah, that's what I saw him as for a second or third round pick at tight end. But he's not there anymore. Um, That's that's the big question, is Okay? The obvious, the obvious talking point is that tight end all of a sudden shoots to the top of your needs list do more than free safety. Do you see it that way? I don't, Okay, I don't because you're talking to a guy in or a mock draft.

It realized again this is still with Witten here. I gave the Cowboys in the sixth round Will Disley from Washington, right. I gave them a legitimate blocking tight end, is what I did. And Stephen Jones was just on one oh five three talking about you know, plans and how the college game has changed and you don't have inline blockers much anymore. And but there's some quality tight ends in

this draft. I mean, there's some there are some quality times where you talk about guys that legitimately can get down the field. You know, when you talk about Dallas, Goddard, you talk about just Sicky, you talk about Andrews. We mentioned Ian Thomas was a guy. What's your grade on Mark Andrews? I got Mark Andrews in the second round. Goddard, I got him in the second round. Here are my

tight ends Goddard, j Sicky, Andrews all second round guys. Okay, and I guess Here's here's where my brain is going as I and I think, and I know that, I know that when Dane pops in here, if we're constinuing, you talked about tight ends, God, it's going to be his first tight ends still on the board. Absolutely. Yeah, Here's where my brain is going as I digest this. If tight end and this is me talking about the Cowboys, not me, Yeah, if tight end was such a dire situation,

you're worried about how they're gonna use this guy, aren't you? Well? I am, obviously I am. Because they don't want to Why tight end? They don't, they don't play that game. They don't They want a guy that can block Yeah, but if tight end was such a dire situation that you were going to draw draft one in the second round, like we gotta have Mike Secki, then Jason Witten wouldn't stop you from doing that, you know what I mean, You're like, we gotta get this guy anyway, guy, did

they bring any tight ends in? And if they really thought they needed one of the best tight ends in this draft, they would have brought some in even with Witten on the roster, because you never let a guy on your roster stop you from preparing for the future, right, Yeah, absolutely right about that. So I'm hey, tight end is a bigger need than it was two hours ago. There's no doubt about that. Yeah. Um, you're still sticking with the plan. Then I just knee jerk reactions in the

draft or a bad thing, are they not? Yeah? No, I don't totally. There's there's there's a you know, Joe Flower mountains panicking a little bit right now. Yeah, even though he wanted to push Jason Witten out of the door, Joe and flower Mound does nothing but panic. That's just the essence of Joe and flower Man. Joe, Joe and Flower Mound has been tweeting at you and I saying Witton is a progress stopper. Get him out of here.

But now it's like, oh my gosh, you my gods, gonna catch those passes you've got You've got to figure out, Oh it's fifty, you've got to hit the tight end by the way last. I can ask it. Just to kind of circle back, this is gonna be kind of a little bit of a different thought. Okay, do you feel like the people wanted Ridley? Were they really really on the Ridley train last night? I honestly, I think I'm sorry, I'm just kind of going off the track

there a little bit. Whatever. That's what that's what we do. Yeah, I know, but I just popped in my mind when you start talking about I feel like, who Joe and Flower Mound really wanted. If you're trying to take the pulse of the fan base, I think when Derwin James fell as far as he did, that's what it was.

It was Derwin James. I saw some people complaining that they didn't get a receiver, but the overwhelming you know, if you're talking about the fan reaction, I think the overwhelming reaction was that people wanted them to make a play for Derwin James because he's seen by so many people as a top five talent. Yeah, I kinda. So it's not it's not Ridley or more. I think I like to think that we've done a good job of preparing people for It was Derwin James. It was really

Derwin James. Everybody was Harold Landry too, and that's gonna be Okay, here's that's gonna be the big one. Here's here's the story on Harold Landry. Okay, okay, talk to several guys around the league. That's one of the great things about driving home at one thirty in the morning. Yeah, just call guys and they're up. Yeah, they're they're they're still wound up from the draft that they're interested in talking to you about thirty and forty minutes about. The

thing about Landry is teams. It's a little bit like what I was hearing with Durwin James. That was the tape in seventeen not as good as sixteen. Well, okay, we've documented that. But they kind of look at him though as a guy that really how important is it to him? M m. You know, they want they're trying to think Is this guy really a glass eater? You

know what I'm saying. That's an interesting point, and that that's kind of where I think that's where a lot of people are looking at him and saying, Okay, he's got talent, but is it really the most important thing to him? They felt like that he quit on his team. That scouts tell me last night, and not cowboy scouts, I mean, I'm somehot scouts around the league that when it came to the bowl game, he just totally shut it down. And guys have done that because they're they're

getting ready for the draft or whatever. But they felt like that he just flat quit on his team and that rubbed someone scouts the wrong way about him, and they're they're looking at him going, Okay, talented guy, but is he gonna quit on you? And and that's where and see, this is the problem that you and Dane and I have. We don't get to meet these guys. Might let me tell you another thing too about about Daniels,

I mean James James Daniels Iowa. Yeah, there's another guy that they they say is oh, I was asking, okay, surprising that rag Now got drafted I mean very And they were like, no, yeah, because they go the character salt of the earth guy, quality competitor, is an eight Is he as talented as James Daniel? Absolutely not. But on the flip side of that, when you look at importance and all that, they say the same thing that they're saying about Landry about James Daniels. Wow, they're saying,

James Daniels an eight athlete eight player. Is he better than rag On? Absolutely he is, But down after down, day after day, they worry about his overall toughness. And that's why I think that that maybe again we're watching the tape and I had scouts tell me, oh, no, Brian, you got him in the first round. You're absolutely right. That's so interesting, and I mean in in some way I I love my scout friends. Well, it goes back to it goes back to Josh Rosen that you know,

maybe the most pro ready quarterback. That's the label that you keep putting on Josh Rosen. He's the guy that's the best suited to step in and do it. But he was fault. He fell all the way to ten because some people don't like his attitude and they're like, oh, he thinks he's smarter than me, screw him. Well, yeah, that's the whole that's the whole thing. I mean. But I was faster because I was I wanted to know, Okay, was it? Is it injury? Was it? What was it

on Landry? And like to a man coast to coast? Was you know? Of course he didn't. You know, everybody knows he didn't play well. But how reliable is he? How tough is he? Is this guy a glass eater? You know? And you're like going, well, I mean I can't I can't figure that out. But anyway, that's another Well, no, that's sorry, No, that's good conversation. Yeah, I want to get back to it, but I just went it was in my mind. I'm not I'm not done with these

tight ends. Oh I know you're not. I know you're not, which but okay, So the the after that digression, the point is, I'm just I'm not convinced that you let this significantly alter you know, if you had a plan for today, I don't think you significantly changed that plan. Yeah, based on the fact that you don't have Jason Witten. And I'm not trying to downplay Jason when I think he's still he's a better player than a lot of

fans want to give him credit for. But like I said, if if you felt like you were going to use a premium pick on a tight end, you wouldn't have let Jason Witten get in the way. And you would have had Mike Jessecki here, you would have had Mark Andrews here, you would have brought in Dallas Goddard. You would have taken a look at some of these guys. And they didn't do that that, not even they didn't even look at down the line guys, which is kind

of surprising. Yeah. They and Stephen Jones even said it though, as we were coming in, As I was coming in, he was saying, yeah, we're really happy with your tight ends, but you got nine catches among them. Yeah, oh no, And hey, good for them. They feel great about Blake Jarwin Rico gathers as the great, the hope of all hopes, the hype of all hypes. Yeah, and then I think Jeff Swims an underrated player too. But man, you can't

look at that and feel like you're set. Having said that, I mean, you know, okay, so they picked twice today, assuming nothing else crazy happens. Yeah, we still got to get into maybe that guy in the Northwest. Yeah, no, I was gonna. I mean, there's no guarantee that nothing else crazy happens. I mean, this could go down as an all timer day in Cowboys history. Um but let okay, let's say that they make their picks tonight. So you've made three picks. Yeah, you've got seven left. Oh, we've

played this game. We've got seven. Let and that's why. So you know I'm not ready to panic and that you know, Ian Thomas is a guy. Durham smythe is a guy. Troy Fumagali and your boy Will Disley are guys. Actually I picked Willy. I told you that I mocked him a tight end in the seventh round. Did jack him? Marcus Baugh Ohio State, Ohio state, long on talent, short on production, right right, kind of got him? Yeah, you got him, I think. And again, you know, if you're

listening at home, don't scream at me. I'm not saying that, you know, like they don't need any help at tight end. I'm saying there are ways you can address this without just going over the top and knee jerking about it. I mean, give me, like, Okay, Um, where'd you where'd you pick will this Lee six What if I told you you could get Ian Thomas at pick one sixteen? Does that do anything for Oh? No, because I got a third round grade on him. That's a that's a

complete value to me. I mean, I think you'd have to take him at eighty one myself. But let's say he's there. Yeah, absolutely, yes, Yes, he's a no brainer. Draft a talented tight end at one sixteen and he could come in here and he doesn't have to be any better than your third tight end because I do think I think between Jarwin and Swim you can be adequate, not great, but adequate. Yeah. Um, draft a guy to add to the mix, and if it's a nightmare, then you know what, you got a draft heading in the

next year's draft. I just I was listening to you the whole time. Were you that was? I didn't mean to be, but I was. I should have come in earlier and done a little research, but this hit me. I didn't know that we were gonna lose our Well, yeah, dude, I was. I was wandering around my apartment in my gym shorts this morning, like you know, brushing my teeth, just kind of daily dallying around, like all right, we got to talk about some stuff, and then my whole

old flipped upside down. Yeah, okay, here we go. I went through teams that could use a tight end. Yeah, oh okay, yeah yeah. I didn't even bring in my crap in here here. It's all a memory for you, Dave. It's all good teams need to tie in at some point in time. I mean, these are six seven needs. I'm not saying it has to be a first round or second round whatever. Do it. Buffalo Carolina, Cincinnati, Carolina needs a tight end. They have like the best one, Reese. Well,

you know they're thinking about older guy. Just just I'm just saying again one through seven needs, Okay, Dallas, yep, Detroit, Green Bay, Houston, Jacksonville, so everybody, Kansas City, Chargers, Dolphins, Saints. You just listed half the league. Eagles make any sense to you? Right there? And you hit you, they hit you. I hit you right there that well, And I don't have the order off the top of mine. I got

it right here. Based on what you just said, it sounds like you want to grab one at eighty one maybe, or do you want to grab one of I'm thinking fifty just because let's go fifty. That's just that's their first pick of the night. All right, let's see, did we we didn't say? Okay, thirty three is Cleveland. I'm guessing there's four teams ahead of them that could use a tight end. Giants, now Cleveland. No, Indie was a team. There was a team I mentioned. I don't know, but

I can't think of it. Indie was not a team I mentioned. Okay, okay, no Indie, Tampa nope, Chicago no, No, Denver, no Oakland, no Miami. At forty two, there you go. There's one New England forty three, Washington forty four, didn't mention them, green Bay forty five mentioned them, Cincinnati mentioned them. Yeah, so the six Arizona forty seven, No Chargers forty Chargers are gonna mess your whole draft up. The Chargers are the Chargers. I think the Cowboys were. I'm getting back

to something. Say you can't help yourself, You're gonna and dive back. I'm gonna dive back. Okay, let me I see this. I think that they were. I think that they were totally comfortable taking Vanderesh no matter what. Actually, I'm glad. I think they were. I don't. I don't not comfortable. They were ready, they were excited. Yeah, they were ready. And this isn't me telling you that he's the best player in the draft. Like I'm not trying to I'm not trying to sell you. I'm telling you. Yeah,

take a look, go back and watch that. I was talking about this on Twitter this morning. Yeah, go to watch the war room cam. Yeah, they weren't making calls. They weren't. They weren't. I think if Derwin James was on the board at nineteen, I still think they would have taken Land. I don't. I think you're absolutely right and I'm not. I'm not. You're not. You shouldn't speculate

about that. I think you're absolutely right about Go look at the war room camera from last night when they're kind of getting close to their Vanderesh was their guy. They might as well have just been having tea like they're watching the Master, just like, oh that was a nice put. Yeah cool, Like they don't care. Okay, but if you were taking if you're taking a tight end at fifty again, here you go. I mean that's I

I'm not doing it for whatever that's worth. And also, I think you got to keep in mind, Okay, Dallas Goddard is Dane's highest rated tight end. Mike Gasecki is an athletic freak. He's he's he's gonna be the Jimmy Graham comparison. Andrews is a big man that can move down the field too, not so much in line stuff, but he's a big man. I'm not I'm somebody that wants one of those guys might have to trade up, especially somebody as far back as the Cowboys like I will.

I'm not gonna be surprised if Mike Gasecki or Dallas Goddard or both is picked before Pick forty tonight. That wouldn't surprise me. And you gotta think when one goes, the other one's gonna go soon after that, right, Yeah, I so do you still pick okay? Say oh, for say example, say just sick he's on the board at fifty. Okay, But you also have the opportunity to grab Courtland Sutton. That's hard for me because I don't like Courtland Sutton that much. But I think they love him, That's what

I'm saying. I think they would turn around. Yeah, it would be just like the whole thing which we went through with Durwin James. Yeah, like everybody would be like, because you got your tight end a little and then they draft the guy that you don't want. Yeah, kind of like the Saints did to us yesterday. Yeah. Oh my god, that's I heard it from people from home about that. Man. I had like ten texts from people

from home just like what just happened? Yeah. Um, but but you're you're you're thinking that, you're thinking that you would have to you think you're gonna are You're not thinking about you're thinking at tight end more eighty one. That's my safety. If you don't make this trade for the guy in the Northwest, welcome to the fun of the draft, right, I mean, okay, if they made the trade for the guy in the northwest, eighty one is got it? Is it receiver tight end? Okay? It's is it? Like?

It's not It's not Sutton. It's probably something like James Washington. You can call me all the nasty names you want, but I'm not rehe and Thomas or James Washington. I'm not going to reinvent my draft strategy based on the retirement of a guy who was about to start his sixteen season. I think, I mean, I'm really I'm not gonna sweat tight end until tomorrow, whether that's the fourth

round or the seventh. I think they need to draft one, but I'm not suddenly gonna make a priority out of this position where they clearly haven't made a priority out of it. One sixteen, one thirty seven somewhere right there. I would love to Drafty and Thomas at one sixteen. I don't know if it's realistic, but man, that, oh, Dane's gonna walk in and tell you there's no way he's gone. He's going at seventy five. Yeah, there's no

way that that happens. I mean, I just I think you're kind of sitting there now, you're kind of thinking about am I wrong? Am I do? Do we do they need to be drastically changing? I don't think they do. I don't think they do. Are we wrong? Are we just being idiots? Right now? I'll put it in similar terms. We've said, we've said a million times, we both agree on this. We think they can win games with the receivers here right now? Right? Can you win games at

these tight ends? I've seen Jeff Swain play. He's pretty good, he's he's not bad. I'll tell you, I'll be open, but I'm saying they're banking on now with with Hannah gone and went and gone, I'll be open. Those are like my two. Those are like my two guys. Be honest with me. You don't I just ask you that question. You don't. I didn't give you a good answer. You don't feel as good about the answer as you do about receiver. Do you I feel better about receiver? Yeah? Yeah,

then I do? Tied in, So maybe does this? Does this prompt you to put receiver on the back burner? Even in the mock? I did? I had him taken the safety the more kid from from Southern miss Yeah. And then and then in third round, I somehow got James Washington there because because that's a stretch, I don't think it's impossible. But that's that's okay, Okay, Yeah, I think you just asked me this. I'm stealing your idea.

I'm sorry, but knowing what we know right now, if it's if Ian Thomas and James Washington are there at eighty one, what are you doing? That's tough? You don't like that, dude, No, I don't like that, because see I have I have, but I'll tell you what it is. I have Washington the second round. Just trust the board. I trust my board. I've washing the second Thomas and the third you know what, and you know I might lose. And that's my board. And by the way, you can

go on Dallas Cowboys dot com. You sure can. My board is up there. I think William is going to knock off all the players that have been selected, so you kind of have an idea of where that all goes. But I have a second round grade on Washington. Okay. Let me ask you this though, If you told me I could get Pettis if you picked if it was Pettis or Ian Thomas, Yeah, well that would be tough for me too because I love Pettis. Feel better about the down the line receivers here like third round and

on yeah, I do. Is your value at tight end start to become better on day three? Well? The thing about okay, we we we we mocked, we mocked smythe Notre Dame. Yeah, and we've also we haven't talked about herndon the Miami tight End. Yeah, yeah, we haven't talked

about him at all. Man this whole show is turning into I mean, I didn't talk well, I know, one of the best players in franchise history, and there's there's like first round players still on the board, you know, well with Daniels and Landry, and you know on my board there are what else I mean, I know, I'm not I'm all saying I feel like that this thing.

I wonder when Dane comes here, I wonder if he's going to feel better about the third and fourth round wide receivers or the third and fourth round tight ends I want and then man, and I don't think it's going to happen for what it's worth, but it's just another level of insanity. If this team acquires he who must not be named later today, and not only I mean great for the Dallas defense. I mean, you're putting up all pro in the middle of your defense. But

that's one less pick to address these problems with. Of course you no longer need to various More or Tracy Walker, but no, yeah, you lose, you lose all that. You lose Southern Miss Louisiana, Lafayette, Kid Walker and more. That's one fewer picks too, or maybe multiple fewer picks. To address tight end left guard. You want another linebacker, you still would think you want a receiver, You want that third running back. So they got their work cut out here. Yeah,

and they already had their work cut out. And now add another item to the grocery list. With Jason Witten retiring allegedly, I'm gonna go through. I know Dane's he must be. They must be wearing him out. And wherever he's doing stuff right now as a radio hit, if they're talking there for thirty minutes, he's used to it. Yeah, players, I'll just name my players. I'm gonna write about these guys too, David later on my best Available Harold Landry, I'm scoring off my top fifty folks. By the way,

you can follow along. That's another thing of posts on Dallas cotways dot com. Yeah, I think about this and do you all stuff in black and white? Yeah, it follows you rest of your life. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, someone's gonna remind me. But like I said, hey, as soon as this news hits, I just got bombarded with people. Yeah. Oh they don't need a tight end, huh, dumbass. Yeah, thanks appreciate that. My best available would be up my

top fifty. Harold Landry, the defensive in form Boston College again, and we talked about that earlier. My scout buddies around the league. The same scout buddies had told me that James was gonna slide a little bit. Here comes my man mentioned somebody is wearing him out on the radio today for sure. Exact that all read these off for me, so we can get Jane's input. Okay, I got my guys left, and he'll get to his guys. I know, I got Harold Landry left, I've got James Daniels left.

I've got will Hernandez left. I've got Connor Williams. I got a pretty good offensive line left. How you do? Then Courtland's Sutton, Ronald Jones, Dallas Goddard, carry On Johnson the running back from Auburn, Anthony Miller, the wide receiver, Darius Geiss, Michael Gallup, Sam Hubbart and Carlton Davis, Nathan Shephard, James Washington, Josie Jewel, Golden Sonat Harrison, O'Neill, Griffin, and Hurst.

We all know about Hurst in his situation, so we'll see how those I'll write about these guys on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. When you were gone, I talked about it. I talked to some guys around the league about Landry and also Daniels medicals not medicals, questions about they worried about Landry quitting on his team during the bowl game, and that he the fact that why didn't he play better? The tape, the injury, They'll say all that, but they still think like that. They still think he's a good

football player. But there was questions about really how dedicated he was. The term I heard was he's not a glass eater. That that doesn't that doesn't surprise me because we talked about the take on things like that, and you watched the Notre Dame tape and it's just we chalked it up to injury. Yeah, but there are a lot of plays where he's just going half speed, you know, he's going through the motions and you just, I mean, don't be on the field if that's the case. Yeah,

And so there's you know, he pulled out the Senior Bowl. Sure, he originally committed them out. He told me he just didn't feel a hundred percent. I'm sure that's part of it. But in the NFL, you're rarely percent. You know, maybe on the season opener in game one, maybe you are. But you just have to learn to play with with injury. That's interesting. Um, I guess it doesn't surprise me, but it's uh, I'm still surprised that he's fallen to this point. Okay.

And the same thing on Daniels. They asked about Ragna being a surprise, They're like, no, because he's as salt of the earth guy, tough guy, gives you everything he's got, plays hard every snap. Daniels they say, you know what, he is clearly more talented, clearly better than Ragno, but he doesn't have that fire in his belly. They worry about that long term finesse. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit of a it's not really that important to him. Interesting.

So anyway, that's kind of some of the things. Oh, anyway, let's go to you have a question for Dane or something on that. Well, I'm just intrigued by the names you read off there, because I either I don't know what the hell I'm doing or but that's okay, Yeah, but I've got some really good football players left, Dane. You can kind of run through some of your guys. I don't think. Did you mention Josh Jackson. Yeah, Josh Jackson was another one I used on my board exactly.

He's right behind Sam Hubbard. I went over him. There's there's a lot of good names, and I mean the tight ends now stick out like okay, we've been kind of hammering that one out. Okay, and you and your best tight end is still available. I did. I did a thing for for Hellman. Teams that need tight ends, Buffalo, Carolina, Cincinnati, Dallas.

Miami's a team to watch. There's Miami's on this list. Yeah, and then yeah, and here we go Miami, and you're absolutely right Dane Miami at two forty two, they're they're right there, heady eight picks. I did a second on mock Yeah, and that's where I had Dallas Goddard going, did you have any other tight ends just sicky or anything? Sick? I had going to Detroit right at So that was after the fifty one. So that's after Dallas. Detroit needs a tight end badly. Okay, They're tight end depth chart

is trash. So yeah, and they were on the list. Yeah, so Gezki, I think would make sense for them. It's not gonna take long for him to shoot to the top of that depth Chartum, but it's interesting that Detroit's picking a fifty one, yeah, one spot behind Dallas who it's feasible tight ends in the conversation. Now, yeah, well who's who's now become the new trade up two team green Bay at forty five. I mean the Detroit might see Dallas needing a tight end. Well, if I'm Dallas,

I that all right. Let me ask you this, Dallas, do the Dallas need to go for the wide receiver or sit at fifty and draft to tight end? Can you sit at fifty and draft to tight end? That's the thing if you want to tight it, If you want to tight end, I think you get to go and get him. Well, he just gave me, he said Jasicky was there on was on the board. But I don't think Kisiki works for this team because a big part of the tight end the run game. Yeah, and

get sick. He's not going to give you that as an inline. He's a terrible blocker. And that's what I worry about if if they if they want to tight end, they probably have to go and get Dallas daughter. Maybe they're gonna change the scheme. Well, actually, I literally And the fun thing about this is like we're all processing this in the moment, but hey, so are they. Yeah? Right, I've been saying since he was drafted that I want I mean, you can get your ten personnel on the

field now, guys. Yeah, you can get your Ryan Switzer Cole Beasley package on the field now. Yeah. And that's a good point, like, would they change a scheme, would they change their attack? Maybe. I don't think they're gonna change the scheme, but I they're gonna change the way they deploy it, I think. And I mean, let's be perfectly frank, and obviously this team values blocking, it values the run game. But I'm not going to do a

lot of that stuff because it doesn't suit Jason Witten. Well, and if you draft a guy who can do some of that stuff, maybe you're a little more willing to do it. Maybe you go for more of a blocking tight end on day three. That's and that's the conversation. So going back to that point, and hey, Mia Colpa all time, you're a guy or my guy, you're a guy. Ryan Izzo Florida State. The thing I think you might be the I might be I don't know disleyan Iszzo.

I don't know best blocking tight end in the We gave you two names if you want blocking cats, and day three, go for it. I locked him. I'm telling you, I don't care. I was right about that. Vanderesh, by the way, I don't you were a long time ago. We wentever, I just gave up. I did give up, didn't I gave He's gonna be the pick, He's gonna be a good player. I'm I'm the player defender over here. Me, Taco and Layton are gonna hang out and see what happened ox Start. You're all to Oxnard, you go to

the Western Sizzler. Yeah, I'm so much more excited about Laton Vanders and I am Taco Charles. I think another level. Yeah, I'm really excited for Laton Vanderesh. How excited would you be if they took fifty and moved it for Earl Thomas? I'd be I'd be excited about it. You're getting a Hall of Fame player, Okay, you're getting a Pro Bowl player.

I have not I'm focused on these guys. I know you are no no, but I just say I'm just saying of your if you were Danes, like, go read my Beast from two thousand and ten if you want to know about Earl time. By the way that guy lift your beast, I don't know he. I mean, I'm fine with people printing it out and all that, but looked nice, by the way. I just I didn't see my cover on it. Yeah. Yeah, by the way, don't don't lift Danes work enough people, I mean, sold over

five thousand copies of that thing. Enough people have it where you're gonna get exposed. Yum. So Earl Thomas, I don't know what he You know, is he still playing in a Pro Bowl level? We know he's a little older. All that in the extensions obviously a big part of it. It's a loaded conversation. But again, I think they have a window right now to win. And if I have a chance to get a Hall of Fame player, a Pro Bowl player, I'm gonna do it. I hate to

give up that pick because there's so many needs. No, we just named we named so many guys at fifty you could take here's i't even package that stuff and go up. I mean they got ammunition to go to go get a pick. I don't want to change. I really, I don't want to change my philosophy based on something like this and that. I mean, like I said, I'm not I'm not trying to convince you that tight end isn't a need. You got seven picks tomorrow where you can address it in a manner that works. I feel

I feel a lot better about this team. If Will Disley's on it, then I do right now. That doesn't mean I need to get rid of a pick to go get Mike Gasecki or or Dallas Goddard. Um. I agree with you with the third round pick, but with two fours, I have no problem giving up one of those. That's fair to get a guy in a second. What if I and I actually Brian yelled at me because he said that you're gonna call me crazy. I'm not

saying it will happen. But what if I told you that for some reason, you could draft Ian Daniels at one sixteen Ian Thomas and you're sorry Daniels, Yeah, Ian Thomas, Uh yeah, sign me up? All right, he's he's my sixty seventh overall player. But see, that's I'm saying. It's not you're being You're you're being unrealistic about where the spot is. Did you think Harold Landry would still be

here right and here on Friday? I didn't think. I didn't think rash Penny was gonna get picked either, and when he paid the draft is a strange lady, Brian, strange lady. You know what you're absolutely so. I'm not saying it's gonna happen. I'm saying there are ways that you can adequately address this position without doing something drastic with your second round pick. That's my only point. That's and that's fair. I think if you want like an Ian Thomas, I think you have to take him in

the third round. And the only game with Ian Thomas is he almost needs like a red shirt year, you know, like he's not gonna help this team, and two has an eighteen to a certain extent. Now, it's not like the depth that tight ends. Really, we're leading the league in red shirting tight ends. That's well, that's all we've ever done here. I know that. And that No, no, which, no, the not having Jason Witten, no, what other options do you have? Though? I love Ian Thomas, but I'm playing him.

I'm not red shirting him. I'm tired of them picking guys and them not working out that way. No, figure it out, find what you got. We have a new tight end coach here every year. It's like my basket Robins. Oh I'll have Rocky Road. Oh I'll have mint chocolate chip today. Figure it out with the damn tight end here. You know what I'm saying. The Hall of Fame guy's going to retire. Figure it out with the rest of these guys. Rank, rank your priorities, and we'll just well,

we're taking Earl Thomas off the table. I told you they can win games with the current wide receivers. Ran your rank, your priorities of what you would like to see address tonight if they come out of tonight with these two positions. On my mock draft, I had him taking I had him taking the the safety and then the wide receiver. More in Washington, Yeah, more in Washington, Southern Misso Oklahoma state. Yeah, that was my going in. You're usually your first feeling is the right feeling. What

about you, Dane, But this is before the Dave. I'm just tired of and I appreciate you, I really do. I'm not yelling at you. I'm tired of I'm tired of taking a player, and in week nine you figure out, oh wait, well he could play. You know, Taco, He's he It took them getting rid of guys for him to get on the field and finally figure it out. He was better, but but my gosh, it took for it seemed like it took forever to get him going. I hear what you're saying, Hey, guys, it's coached these

guys a little bit. In a perfect world, you want to reach your Dan Thomas because again he's a Juco guy. He barely played Juco guy. You're not wrong, You're not senior year. He could he mean, you could put him on the f old and do it. It's just you're gonna take your lumps and so that's you know, ideally, in a perfect world, yes he gets a red shirt year. That's not always how it works out. That's why they're

not going to take you and Thomas. I'll tell you why, because these guys don't have the ability to red shirt anybody. It's a valid point, you know. That's why training for Earl Thomas. To me, if I'm Jason Garrett, I'm I'm wanting to move the Yeah. Bringham More important for you to get a tight end tonight or a wide receiver. Well that we all right, We've we talked about wide receiver all the time. I think guard is another thing

that stands out to me. And then safety right free safety, Yeah, I mean I owes three to me take precedence overtight end. Even without Jason Witten, this is going to be an interesting second round because, like I said, I I'm looking at a trade up. I want to see Dallas trade up here. I go from fifty package one of those fours, go up and get your guy, whether that's dj R, Courtland Sutton, Yeah, one of these. Uh if Will Hernandez would fall and Dallas Gardard's still there, um, you know,

go up and get one of these guys. I want to see them be a little aggressive. Uh Okay, Dallas Miami picks forty two. That's where I think Dallas Gard's going. Yeah, figure out a whe how to get to forty one and your boy, that's trade one of the fourth's, trade one of the six. Whatever it takes. Let's do some math here. Then if you want to go to forty guys who is named after the Dallas Cowboys, they do some math when we hear David Hellman, you're chick. I'm

not good at No, you're good. Your pick is your pick at fifty is worth four hundred. Yeah, you're the we're danger trying to get you is worth that's forty one at Oakland, that's four ninety. That's only ninety points. Okay, you currently the closest you can get to that one thirty seven worth one thirty seven is worth only thirty eight points. That's the problem. People are like, oh, package all your day three picks. They're not worth that much. So you're thinking about if let's see and and sixty

two is what you're one six Stein's worth. So you might have to you might have to part with both. Maybe you do a fourth this year and the fourth next year. Yeah, you couldtually have to or both fourth, yeah or both forth. It's like, we saw much, now do you we saw? We saw no, but I still do it. Yeah. We saw Buffalo do it yesterday with Tampa. Right, what is this team ever done in the fourth round? Hey,

Anthony Hinchins was a fourth round pick. So is the Q Oh yeah yeah wow yeah lesbian sarcast I hear you, Um, I don't know I don't I want to see them be aggressive here and go up and get a guy. Um, I mean, who's the best tight end on this roster? If it's not Jason Winton crickets, ye, Jeff Swain. But default, yes, single digit catches and oh no they all do adam up. It's like, yeah, by default I can count I could count them all. Yeah that many? She Keene Griffin could

probably count them all. Yeah, So Lesne with the savage remark, Sorry, no, it's the second day, talk to you. Um, I don't I get which I mean? This happens all the time. I said this last night, like the it all changes after the first round, like when the guys you brought in on the thirties are gone and the guys you like get picked. But I'm you know they I don't care what they say. If if they have been preparing for this possibility, they did a great job of hiding it,

because I don't think they did exactly. And that's so to do something drastic like trade up for a position that you weren't doing a ton of homework on, is it drastic? Though? You're getting rid of two picks, Yeah, you get you're getting rid of two fourth rounds, Like fourth round picks are valuable. I mean they all are. I get it. But and we don't know Like on my board, Dallas Guard, it's thirty fourth that's okay, I guess good value. We just don't know how they view it.

Let me expound on a little bit more. Do you do that deal to go get a tight end that you haven't been doing a lot of homework on because Jason went and retired today? Or you do you do that deal to go get a receiver that all indications point towards you love him to death right? And I think we all agree this team likes Courtland Sutton quite a bit. I think, all things being equal, Like if you made me bet on a player that they're going to try to get tonight, it would be him. I agree,

I agree. I think yeah, if whether and that's what we said, I think, I think you're right. They're gonna push the chips, but they're gett And that's my point. Do you, I mean, do you? That's what I'm saying too. I'm not saying trade up for a tight end. I just want to se him trade up. I want to see him trade up and go get that guy. Whether it's Dallas Goddard, whether it's Courtland Sutton, trade up and go get your guy. Don't wait at fifty and hope

he falls, do you. They've made too big of a point about how valuable having all these picks are, and we know they're not going to use them all. Yeah, they've made too big of a point about it. And even hey, obvious the d Law trade worked out, but I remember I didn't love it at the time because I wanted that third round pick so badly. So if you can make a trade to go get somebody without

giving up your third even better, I'm all in on that. Um. So, you know, I think Dallas's best offer, it's gonna be the now. Maybe they'll flip, you know, maybe they'll flip one of those what one ninety three or something like that, you know, whatever, sixth round. Maybe they'll say, Okay, here's a two and one ninety three, which is a six round pick. Maybe that's it, which and this is it kind of goes back to And there's no way to know this unless they want to show us their board,

which sometimes they do on accident. Yeah, not often. Um, you know, I'm me, I'm sitting here saying, well, my trading up to get Courtland Sutton because I love him, or it seems like a decent bet DJ Charcoal fall to me at fifty, you know what I mean. But they might not even see that as the same conversation, you know, Like they might they're like, well, we wouldn't even take Chark if he was there at fifty, you know, and hard to know that type of stuff, right, We've

seen some guys slide in the first round. We've seen some guys slide here of Sutton and Chark. Who could be the slider that could get to you at fifty. Neither I don't think either, I really Okay, I'd be more surprised if Sutton was there than Chark, But yeah, I would expect they both go. I think both are gonna go. So in the first ten picks to the first ten tonight. Yeah, okay, so you're gonna you're gonna have to You're gonna have to go up to get

this guy. You're gonna have to get one of those guys. You're gonna have to go really and and your spot and your spot, your spot is at Oakland at forty one. And in my mock that I did today. I had Um Sutton going to the Colts at thirty seven and Well Chark at forty five. So first fifteen picks in the second round, Okay, that's doable, and go up five spots. Currently those picks are being held. Give me the numbers,

Skins thirty seven. Okay, it's Indianapolis and green Bay, right, So how much would it cost to trade up to forty four? Trade to forty four that's Washington, that's four sixty. It's a sixty point deal you could give. You could do it. You give it one, you give it one, sixteen, and you're on the button. I see. I would I would do that because I don't see a huge difference between Courtland Sutton and DJ Chark. But again it's all about what they think. And the thing is I would

shade it for Anthony Miller. Well, yeah, that's don't you know. I don't know. I think they wait and we gotta clean bill of health on Anthony Miller by the way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they said the foot he won't be available early like OTA's mini camp, but would be ready for training camp. That's what I heard it. Going back to Dallas, got it real quick. Remember he did not play in the Senior Bowl. It hurt. First practice, he got hurt, he

was out, did not at the Combine. His Pro day was limited because he still wasn't quite one hundred percent. So this is a guy that I think, not only the Cowboys are a lot of teams are kind of and we like him. But he's going from the FCS and didn't really have the pre draft process that we hope to see him on the field, So little little uneasiness there. I'd still be surprised if he got past forty two Miami Dolphins. A right, Dane, Well, thank you very much. That's gonna be all the time that we

have today. We have to get ready for for a press conference today. And is there a stone we're not guard What if will Hernandez falls? I don't see that he's gonna go to or the second pick in the second round of the Giants sounds about right. That sounds yeah, that's it. I'm That's where I'm We've there's so much smoke on receiver. I'd be shocked not to see it come to pass. I think you guys rap sure. Okay, again, that's all the time we have. We gotta get ready

for Clayton vander Esh's press conference. By the way, he is gonna wear number fifty five. Rolando. Let's go for your Dallas Cowboys. Okay. So for my Scoutny buddies, Dane Burglar, David helmat K Garrison Executive Producing, we're gonna be with you tonight. We're gonna start at five forty five tonight. We'll be working with h Kevin Turner and Jeff Kavanaugh one oh five three, so the band will all be together. We're gonna carry you through the next two days. So

luke forward to seeing you. Then you guys, take care of watch that last minute tape, figure some things out, and we'll see you then