Draft Show: Reviewing Dane's First Mock

back to back. Brian brought us here with Dane Burgler from CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com, David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Kent Garrison, Executive Producer. As always, gentlemen, we're getting close twenty two days until we get to do this for real. Who are very excited about that as we're still just kind of trying to put things together.

I mean, at this point we have a good idea about these players who's in play where at this point I don't think we really expect too many shockers or you know, things we still have to learn or am I wrong? It is something that maybe you still I'm curious about that. Yeah, I'm curious about this medical stuff. Who in particular are you back McKinley, Moreau, those guys. I'm curious about some guys at twenty eight that are

nicked up, right. I just want to I just want to know how the health of some of these guys is going forward. I think it's going to tell you which way this draft might go, especially early. If you talk about McKinley the shoulder, you know how far along is he is? He? You know, you're I've seen Dane, you've had him, and we'll get into your mock draft. By the way, we're gonna get into Dane. His last

mock draft I thought was very interesting. Usually your first draft is really good, and your last draft is the one you want to hit in all the awards. I thought you did some interesting things. Some mock drafts for four is to examine scenarios, possibilities. You know, the last mock draft that's for accuracy. You're going for the award right there. You're going for the t You're going for the T shirt to beat Rick Goslin exactly. I have

one already. Yeah, I'd like to get another, but yeah, for the but the mocks right now, there were still a few weeks out. Just look at different possibilities. What could happen. I think you did that. Yeah, I think you did that in the second half the show. We're going to get into that first half the show here. I want to get into some draft news, some thoughts. We've got the thirty visits rolling. We'll get into that LSU Pro day. It's one safety running incredibly fast. I'll

say thirty five. Yeah. I reached out to some people, hopefully they're at LSU's pro day. Some scout guys. Yeah, what do he four three seven or three eight or three eight? Mal Adams? What do you think about that? That's media reported. It's also very different than what scouts. Yeah, I reached out. We'll wait and get what officially scouts said. Yeah, why are you gonna hate on my guy Dan who Adams? Yeah,

I'm just I'm with him. If if he ran a four four two at the combine, that's a significant difference to the point that I don't really Yeah, I'm not buying with there. I'll tell you what. It's like what I said last week. Boys, you like the player? Get him at thirty eight yards? Yeah, stand there and click that click that clock right there for thirty eight for Jamala, Like, did anybody need to see him run that? No? But

I mean it's one of those things. Yeah, this was one of those things you're looking, you know, the measurables and stuff like that. I expect him to run better than four or five six. I mean he said that that he tests a lot better than that, right, so he was looking forward to the pro day to show that he runs faster than a four or five six. I just don't think he's a four three athlete now. I think he could, you know, be a four four six,

four four eight somewhere in there type of guy. And that's plenty good for a player we project as a strong safety. Yeah. See, And this is where I think it's interesting, though, Dave. It's gonna be too safety. So you're gonna go in the top ten in this draft, maybe the top eight, And who do you like better than two? We'll get to that five. Yeah, we'll get

to that. Well, I'll get into that a little bit because Dane's mock draft will kind of tell you what he thought that maybe some teams are thinking, Awesome, I feel like I have a really good opinion on that matter. So I look forward to that. Yeah, that's so proper. Yeah, he really wanted to cuss you out for that. Good about it. We're also going to get into some Twitter on the twenty as always, make sure you get your questions in at the draft show and Dave will be

able to answer those for you. Get to Dane. Since we're doing the two back to back shows, we're gonna save our staple of tell me more till tomorrow. Like I said, I want to get into Dane's mock draft. But right now, these thirty visits that are going on with teams, you know, we're kind of getting an idea. It's it's with the Twitter world. You really can't protect your your visits too much. Kids will tweet they're visiting agents.

You know, everybody seems to have an idea. And I want to focus a little bit because we are the Cowboys here, but you know, I'll take it to anywhere but the Cowboys specifically. It looks like just if you look at the lists, primarily it's defensive players, big time, big time defensive players, which is in a surprise now number of corners. We talked about it last week on

the Draft show. I think we hit the number and just yeah, ten or eleven, Yeah, I think we're I think we hit that dead on defensive ends being another group, I think we expect that, you know, a third corners, a third pass rushers, then the last third a combination of safeties, maybe a few offensive players sprinkled in there. That's what I want to get into. I want to get into the offensive players. You know, we talk about all these defensive players. We know the Cowboys need defense.

You know, it's it's clear that they need they need corners. They you know, could surely use a defensive end to the point where and safety. I see where you're going with this. But I mean, you look at the names that are out there, and it's and you can't predict it to a certainty always, but it's hard to sit there and say, I mean, it looks like their strategies that they know they got to get some starter caliber players with these first few picks. Yeah, like they know that,

And that's what the list is. It's starter lubber players that you can find at twenty eight and sixty on the defensive side of the ball. And I honestly, I think they're set up to where I don't know if they're backed into a corner, but that is what they need to the I mean, and I think that's when you don't see a lot of offensive players floating around there, because they have set themselves up to where I don't know how much they can afford to not address defense

with at least one of these first two picks. I was thinking maybe the first three. I'm and noh, yeah, don't get me wrong, but I mean, you know, I'd be stunned. I mean, that's what I've been preaching all along. But again, yeah, at least two. Okay, Well, all right, let's talk about this then. Is there an office a player? Is there an offensive player in the first three rounds that would make you go away? You know? And and let's let's be honest. I mean, there's a ton of

wide receivers. You know, there's some, there's some uh okay, well, let's look at the running backs. I mean, I know, running I mean they're gonna need they They're gonna probably look at a running back. I would advise that they do sure with you know, Terrence Williams back in the fold. Yeah, you know, how much of a need is wide receiver, but would one have would would a stack? Would a stack have a wide receiver? Would their stack have a

wide receiver? Over maybe a defensive player is you get to a certain level of the defensive players and you stop thinking about Okay, now it's not worth it to take a defensive player at this spot because of the stack the way it is. I think, you know, we don't know obviously, but in order to dig a little bit, I think we'd look at the top thirty visit and see, okay, maybe what offensive guys are they looking at? And Dad gives us a clue, and we know, I think it's

been it's been reported. You just Smith Schuster is one of those names, uh, you know, a player who I don't I'm waiting till the third round to take him. This team might view him as a late too. I don't know. And that's and to Dane's point, you know, we talk about all the time. Mo Claiborne was the last first round pick who did not visit the Cowboys, and that's because I mean he wasn't really even in their range. They didn't I mean at fourteen, which is

where they were that year. He was not a very viable option, So why would you spend a visit on him? So now you're probably talking about you know, if an offensive player is going to be the guy at twenty eight, it's probably a guy that you're not even thinking about because it seems implaus See. I think I asked some people about Adams and Jamal Jamal Adams, Yeah, Adams and Hooker, you know, I asked him about I mean, their their thought was they're not in our range, right, Yeah, they're

not in our range. There was Solomon Thomas any thing with you know a lot of these top ten guys, right, And I'm well, I'm thinking off so offensively. I'm thinking, you know, how far down the board can Corey Davis's foot push him? See Williams is another one, or Mike Williams. How yeah, that's that's now. Now you're starting to talk. And I like what you're saying about Smith Schuster. I like with it because he is a visit, right, you know. And and this team, David, you've covered this team now.

They don't bring guys in unless they're thinking about him. Yeah, I mean, this isn't just to get the kids from frequent flyer Miles a hat. It's about as good of a roadmap as you can ask for. I mean, the last four years have really proven that in terms of I mean getting an idea of what they're looking at, who they're who they're thinking about. You remember that the private workouts, the visits, those are unlimited. Teams can do as many as they want. But the top thirty, yeah,

those are strict thirty. That's it. You know, you you better be bringing in players you're interested in. So if Smith Schuster's come in here, there's obviously an interest level. To what extent you know, we don't know. Could it be a you know, a player there possibly looking at in the late second round? Maybe I don't know where, I mean, where does he fit on it? So you you're talking about it, and I agree with you about

the about the third round. But but we've we've we've tried to educate people that where you're picking in the back end of a round, you might have to go around early on a guy, right yeah. And so all of a sudden that you're thinking, oh, well, we'll grab him in the third, No you're not, because somebody will take him early in the third and then you'll miss

out on him. And I think we also have to consider possible trade back scenarios right where you know, they get out of the first round and they trade back and they get another Day two pick, or you know, and they pick up another third round or whatever the trade compensation is would be awesome. Then all of a sudden, you have a few more options, and ju just miss Schuster in the early third becomes much more of a viable option. I like with Dane's going here. Teams with

multiple second round picks hit me, Carolina and Cleveland. Teams with multiple third round picks Baltimore, Denver, Kansas City, Minnesota, New England, New Orleans, Jets, Pittsburgh, Seattle, and Tennessee. A lot of teams I get that probably includes all the comp picks. Yeah yeah, and you can trade him now you trade those picks. Teams have multiple fourth round picks, Chicago, Cincinnati, by the way, Cincinnati's got a lot of picks, and they won't do anything but sad there and pick you can't.

You can't trade with Cincinnati. I've been trying to trade with Cincinnati since nineteen ninety two. They haven't returned my call yet. That's but people sit here and they're like, oh, there's too many holes for them to fill with justin the draft. Not not quite so fast, my friend. Yes, fourth round, fourth round, multiple fourth round picks, Chicago, Cincinnati, Houston, Indianapolis to Los Angeles, Rams, Minnesota, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Washington.

You want your fifth back, Dave? Yeah? I do you want your fifth back? Dane? Give me more seconds and third and I'm just saying, but you want your fifth back? Sure? All right, here we go. I want I want it all. Yeah, multiples, Arizona, Buffalo, Cincinnati again, Mike Brown, I gonna take your call. I'm just gonna let you know that Cleveland's in the mix here, Green Bay, Green bail trade, Kansas City will trade with you. Miami, New England and San Francisco, Ohio. Guy, where's Cleveland picking

in the second round? Like thirty thirty three? I got that in front of me, Dave it get me, get me from twenty eight to thirty three, like Cleveland wants to Sean Kaiser, Get me gent let me drop back five spots and pick up the next get that, get that fifth year option for the quarterback. Let's do it. Get rule that out. I love it all right. Well, I went through all that, But we'll get back into I mean, that's I love. I love when I want

multiple that's trade back, get me some picks. Okay, but the let's talk about then we got the pick situation we're tom about. Okay, you go back, but is there any other in the other position I brought up running back? Is there an Is there any of those running backs that could do multiple things? Is there any running back that they could bring in here that they could walk through that door? That's that, but I'm worried you might have to do it a little earlier again than you

want to do it. Two of them scream off the page, had me, and I think you can name them about the West Coast version, in the East coast version. Yeah, yeah, sure, the Midwest guy in the West Coast guy. I got you, And I think you tell everybody. Then you would have to make either a Christian McCaffrey or a Curtis Samuel a first round pick, if that's the way you wanted to go. I think the Curtis Samuel at twenty eight, I to me, he is a player I would consider

in the first round. Now, I don't know how many people other people share that sentiment, but I do think he's a top fifty player. Oh so I'm hoping it's sixty, right, it's sixty. I'm not getting him. You're not hoping he's gone. I think there's a yeah, a very good chance that he's gone. But maybe, you know, because this team needs defense obviously, but maybe it's just one of those things where if he's still there somehow there's a chance, then okay,

then we take them there. But I'd be very surprised they took him at twenty eight. Either one of them could fill for would you take Samuel over a corner? Is say you took say you got what what at twenty eight? And we're and here I am preaching about taking a defensive players and all that, I wouldn't whatever you're about to say, I wouldn't do. You're not gonna find many people who are bigger fans of Credit Samuel than me. He's twenty fifth overall on my board, so

he's a first round pick on my board. But I still feel good that there will be another player on defense that's rated right there in that group available that and I you know, and I'm jumping off the track of the running back a little bit, but I was gonna say this. Another guy that really intrigues me, who I could see falling is I never say his name, right, I feel like you, but Ramshick, Ram check check, I never say it right. That one I do get right.

He's got the hip problem, right, I could conceivably see him falling. And you know, maybe if you have a chance, Oh we'll get into that, if you have a chance to take a guy that good at twenty eight. I know you know, offensive line is not a big need,

but you could talk me into that. But going back to Dane's point, I just think there's gonna be enough defensive firepower in this draft that you'd be hard pressed there, like there will be a guy there that you want on defense, and maybe really feel that this is another trade back scenario where if you trade back into the middle of the second round, Curtis Samuel becomes much more of an option possibly. And okay, let's look at the

running back that chart right now. Zeke obviously in America and McFadden's back on what a one year deal, right and then in one year? Yeah, got benched last year, right? And I think Alfred Morris, most people you know, believe that it could be a possible cut, could be a trade. You know, there's no guarantee he's on the roster in July, so you know running back is a possibility. It's a bigger boy. Would that dry people nuts that they took Samuel though it's sixty, It would drive people nuts. I

couldn't he's your twenty fifth best player. Eight. Yes, it would be the initial The initial reaction would be anger and shock. And then I don't think it would take long to talk people into it though, because first of all, your number one running back has been acting like a knucklehead. That's true, that's a thing to keep in mind. And then you're we just no job security for your number

two or number three. And so if you were to draft Curtis Samuel or Christian McCaffrey for that matter, he can play running back, receiver, punt returner, and kick returner, all of which are things that you need. Curtis Samuel

had seventy four catches last year. Yeah, I mean he's got a great route runner, but you hand him the football and he'll have some drops, be like Lance Dunbar if he actually got involved, right, And that's it was Curtis Samuel some people want to move him on to wide receiver for no. No, but he averaged seven point nine yards per rush last Yes, keep him in, Yes, I mean you can do. I don't know. This team on offense isn't the most creative with theirs. That's fair.

But if you're going to draft to Curtis Samuel, I think you you need to be so the two offensive players that we would like, and neither one of them could. It is possible really at sixty, which would be Smith Schuster and Samuel. You don't think miss Schuster wud be possible at sixty. It's more likely than Samuel. Yeah, I agree it there, Okay, okay, but here's again, here's the point, though, Is he going to be better than is? You pick your position, like I said, maybe it's tackle, maybe it's

running back, maybe it's receiver. Whatever, is the number one player available at that position better than the third or fourth option. Oh that's why you argued about OJ Howard when he was Yeah, it's the same conversation. Maybe it is, David. No, no, no, it's the same argument you make. You take the first best tied in right or the fourth best defensive in Although theoretic I mean, Curtis Samuel wouldn't be the best running back, no button cooking for an at are gone

and probably McCaffrey whatever. But I get your point. I'd argue that in the first round, you just listen your top twenty eight players and you're guaranteed at one of them. That's just kind of how you know, I mean, whether that if it happens to be offense, if it happens to be defense, you know, he would be shocked though, if they took an offensive player at twenty eight. Here's and Stephen Jones said this at the combine, and it really stuck with me, which is that obviously you don't

want to reach for need. You want to take the best player available, but when it's close, the guy that you need looks a lot more interesting when it's a close call. And that's what you know, all right, you're a moros, a bad example because he's hurt right now, Okay, a guy that I really like a lot as an

option at twenty eight right now, Kevin King. Yeah, if Kevin King is sitting there at twenty eight and like Curtis Samuel's your next I mean, you're gonna take the corner or you should yea, yeah, the stack will probably show that well. And it's different when you're picking, by the way, a visit to Kevin last year when tricking top ten and the goals should be to find impact players. Then this year when you're picking twenty eight, you know,

and you're it's more about helping your football team. You know, right away with you know you could you could move around a little bit with need you know it, taking a need player over maybe someone you have a little bit higher. You can do that at twenty eight. You shouldn't do that at four. Let me ask you this what the Cowboys have had terrible luck taken tight ends in the second round. Yes, with Samuel be like the tight end being taken and they don't use it the

right way. I'm much more confident that they would use Curtis Samuel the right way because, good by Lucky Whitehead, he's so well, he's so versatile. Yeah, even if he's just a return guy. But even I mean they have Dorry Jackson's another visit here. They have shown I will talk about him. Yeah, Samuel's more interests. Good point, just for the reason that they have shown a willingness to take Zeke off the field before they use They used

dunbar in two minutes and yeah, block situations. But much to everybody's just okashing of teeth, I think it would be a little bit different with this guy. He's a little bit better, I think, yeah, and then better. They rotated more McFadden in every third series or whatever it was, so they have shown a willingness to take Zeke off the field, and I think with a guy as dynamic

as him, I think it could pay off. One thing to remember was Samuel is he wasn't a return Gattlehouse State, so I think he can do it, but he wasn't asked to do that on a consistent basis, mostly because he was their best offensive threat and they right to keep him healthy. So I think he only had six career punt returns at Ohio State. So it's something I think he can do and we'll get better at. But not a guy that is a proven commodity at doing

that type of thing. I go out on a lemon say he could do it just as good as the guy who's got the job right now, like right away, Lucky. Yeah, Yeah, I'd agree. There, there we go. That's all. That's all you need to know. Okay, so we agree there there are a couple of offensive players that would you know, it's a in a thirty visit group that's full of defensive players you could potentially see. I mean, we've talked about Smith Schuster being here. We have to find out

about Samuel and stuff. But that's that's a great name you brought up, by the way. I just I still and I've been saying this for most of the time we've been doing the show, but I think it will take some seriously shocking developments for this to not be a defender at twenty eight. Yeah, I think I agree. All Right, good discussion, boys. When we come back, we do a little Twitter on the twenty Stay tuned. With unlimited Data from AT and T, you can stream your

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And I don't think so because we have been so thorough, But is there anybody left at twenty eight that would utterly surprise you for this team that you think is a realistic option surprise pick? Maybe somebody falls or maybe they just do something. We talked about those receivers would would would Williams? Well, yeah, we would have to have Davis one of those guys. I mean I talked about the medical recheck, yeah, with Davis. Davis yet that ankle

hasn't worked out yet. Yeah, hopes too before the draft. So that's still you know what. Who I've seen fall that's funny and I know you haven't done it in your mock draft is Alan from Alabama. He has kind of slipped. I've still see him. I feel like I see him in the top twelve more than more. Yeah, but I mean it's just funny to see guys. Yeah, you know, we don't know what's going on with the shoulders, right that's something that we need to Every team's gonna

look out a little differently. It's something that Alan has said is not an issue right now. He doesn't anticipate it being an issue in terms of during his playing days.

That maybe down the road when he's retired, his shoulders will be something that he has to deal with, But right now it's not too much of an issue, which is why I still think we're gonna see Alan in top ten, but you know, he probably won't go as high as Maybe it's like Solomon tom everybody kind of had him in that then maybe in the in the two hole, yeah, San Francisco. But now it's Salomon Thomas seems to be the guy that everody falls in love

with there. I think realist like, I could see a receiver or a tackle falling to them, but it wouldn't surprise me, though, Ram Chick, that would be fun. What about John Ross? See, that's that's another one. I mean the medicals all that's scary a little bit obviously. That's the knee thing after what the owner general manager said about he read shirting players and all that. You know, I just don't think they would go that route. But he's not hurt, No, he's just has the possibility and

you had to go with the odds. And there's the odds are said, will say that he will at some point get hurt again. Yeah, but that's the last thing they need, thank you, whether first round pick getting hurt. Paul wants to know if a pass rusher is your pick at twenty eight, whoever, doesn't matter which dB would you love the most at sixty. Realistically speaking, i'd like really like tankerously at that point, I think I think you're onto something there Clumson corner. Yeah, legit four four athlete.

When you put them up and press nose to nose with the wide receiver, I'll take my chances of Tankersly every time. Well, he's a physical son of a gun man. Like I say, cover your eyes on some of that off coverage stuff. I don't know that you can't play him in off coverage. I mean that's what I'm saying. He needs to get a lot better. But if you were, you would like his toughness. Oh yeah, I mean I

think every Yeah, the physicality of him as a player. Yeah, he looks to make wide receivers uncomfortable just from the snap. I mean he's gonna get in their face, look to kind of you know, disrobe them and get them off their game, disrupt the timing of the route. Give me give me him. If I'm going to be pressing, you know, if I'm going to commit to that as a defense,

then I'll take Tankrously all day long. I think your boy Moreau, we'll hang around till sixty with them, just kind of I'm just kind of thinking with the peck. You know, there's another visit and that's not well, I'll tell you what if he's there at sixty. That's like my situation last year with Miles Jack in the second round, and Moreau wasn't a lock first rounder. No healthy, I'm cheerleading for him. He's probably people are jumping on my back about that that's not and that, but that's not

a red shirt. I mean they're bringing him in, so that's at least I feel good about that. It's a it's a it's a torn muscle. It's supposed to be. Yeah, it's I don't look at that. That's not a Jalen Smith or a job, but it is a John Ross. Thing is this is a player Faby Moreau missed all of two and fifteen with an injury, with a foot injury, so you know it's something where is a player with a history of injuries. But we're talking about sixty and not twenty eight, So I think you can take a

little bit more of a chance. When we're talking about the sixtieth overall pick in this draft, Moreau very possibly could be there. With people, this is gonna sound nuts. Well I'm even asking this. They won't ding tabor that bad? Well, they oh, I think it's possible. Sure, I think we talked about this. I think it depends a lot on his visits and how they feel about him, more so than his forty times in my opinion. But yeah, I think that's a good point. And remember this corn Well,

you watch the tape, that's it's deep, it's up. But then when this corner class, we talked about the jumble of players in that in that mix. So if you're thinking about Tabor Kevin King, well, we know what King can run. Oh no, absolutely King instead, and then you do that with you know, Tabor and all the rest of these guys, and all of a sudden, you know, Tabor keeps moving down farther and farther and farther, And that's a deep it's deep it is we're about Humphrey. No,

I there's just too much there to me. He's a he's a first round pick. Sure, I don't. I can't see him last into sixty. Um. That's so funny that because people would have thought Tabor was better than Humphrey. But all of a sudden, now he runs four six one that's from the combine. I know it's for seven at the pro day. About a woozy A. Yeah, that's a good that's a good name there at six. Yeah. Yeah, woozy gosh, I don't know. That's that's rich for me. Yeah,

thanks for mentioning with school. Yeah, that's rich. Where do I have them? I have them high? Um do you miss a two three two two forty three overall? See, then he's he's okay with that. About Marcus Williams Utah safety, Oh now say I mean safety? Yeah? Safety, safety is the spot. Yeah. I was thinking of corners, but Marcus, he's on the top thirty visit. Yeah, I mean he's a true single high center field type. You know, the ball skills, the range, if you if you're gonna invest

in that, you know, I don't know. Okay, Then what do you do with Byron Jones? If can he play? Is he gonna leave my corn you can put in my corner if you're gonna No, No, I keep him, I keep him, I keep him playing. I Playim's, I play the other guy, I play the I play Williams in center field and put Jones down more as a strong Yeah, that's where he's better. No, I agree, Dylan makes a really astute up. It's amazing here, what Tabor I mean? I thought you guys were gonna just laugh

me out. No, not the reason they do these tests. Nothing has gone right for that guy since the draft process. And remember it's not just point, it's not just the forty yard dashes, you know, it's it's the rest of his testing numbers and his interviews. You know, he just yeah, this is a guy who failed drug tests in college. He refused to take drug tests in college. At one point he compared, you're throwing a lot of dirt on the kid right now. It's their facts. I mean, he

brought him in. What did he compare college too. I don't think I've ever heard that slavery dern version of slavery. Y. I mean, he's he's a he's a young, immature kid, and he's not talking about Tabor, right, Yeah, most most of these guys are. And I mean, I'm I was two at twenty one years old, So if you weren't talking about slavery in college, though, I'm no. But I mean, I'm sure who knows what I would have said if

you had to ask me. Then if I was in the public eye at twenty one, I would be in some deep crap probably, But yeah, Okay, it's interesting stuff. Dany that the show, we could go back and find like those mock drafts that they do during college football, no doubt, where he's a top eight pick, doubt. And now you're talking about maybe he's there at sixth. Real quick. Building off of that social media I check every single social media for every one of these players, and his

is crazy. Every year every team does, Okay, oh sure they do. You can learn a lot about these players by just looking at their Twitter feed, their Facebook. What did they post, what did they retweet? Who? You know, what kind of things are they saying? It's it is something scary, it's fascinating. Uh No, I mean most of his stuff his agent must have got to him because it was deleted already. Um, but some of these guys don't do that, don't day, idiot. That's that's the least

of my worries. Really a stude observation from Dylan. He's I think the numbers are off. He said the Cowboys have taken a linebacker in twelve straight drafts. I don't think that's completely right, but they have taken a linebacker in every draft going back to at least like OZ nine. So we don't talk a lot about linebacker for obvious reasons. I think they're pretty happy with Wilson and Sacha. They want to see what they and that. So he's in

Jalen Smith if he can play. He's saying, if if Ruben Foster were to fall to yeh, there you go. Or if Duke Riley was there at sixty, like really some of your more top tier linebackers, do you do you pull the trigger on that value anyway? Even though I agree, I think linebacker is a position you can afford to ignore for at least this year. Duke Riley, though I have him better than Anderson, I agree. Yeah,

Duke Riley's in that second round. He's a good player, Duke Riley, and he would I know it's LSU and I'm sorry, I don't like to talk about it. I don't either, I really don'te But man, he when you watch him play, he gets to the ball in my forty two forty two round over YEA take him as sixties. So would you do it? Yeah? I mean I at that point, I mean, depends who else on the board, but he looks like you're I mean, he'd be an

excellent value pick. He's worth that pick at twenty I mean would be playing at Will right right, Yeah, so Sean Lee. You have to keep keep Sean where he can play. He's played thirty three games that will fans don't want to hear this with a second round pick due Riley on special teams. It's just nuts how good he is. I mean, you don't want to suppose the Dory Jackson can he could? Riley? Could Riley play Mike? I know, I feel Foster could. I don't know. Yah,

Foster could for sure, Yeah, Foster could, for sure. I think Foster's a better Will probably, Yeah, I do too. I haven't an outside of background my board. If Foster falls to twenty eight, that scares you. You know, why why did twenty seven teams just pass on this guy? You know? Did it on ray Lewis too? That's true. I mean I was in Green Bay when that one can fly down the boarder? Yeah, okay, yeah, no, I mean no, I'm just saying, though, you wonder, Yeah, you

do with with players start sliding. You're absolutely right. You're sitting there and you're you're you're thinking, what is going on? What do we miss? Then your general manager looks at you, Yeah, what's going on brought us what's going on? That's exactly Burglar, that's your area. What the hell? Yeah, you know, I don't know, Boss, I don't know when you can sign. I'm just as surprised as you are. The four linebackers that are healthy and available to play for this team

right now, and then the Jalen Smith situation. I just feel like you can afford to wait a year on that. That's you hope about Jalen Smith. But I'm just saying, maybe he plays and plays great, maybe he doesn't. But either way, even without him, you still have Leeve Hitchens, Wilson, and they do like they do like Wilson and Sacha. I know that for a fact. Um Jared with another

question about this roster. Charles. He says, Charles Tapper's coming back, and he says this is his words, not He says there's no war daddies to be had at twenty eight. I feel like y'all would disagree with that possibly. But if that's the case, if well, I'll alter the question. I'll what your guy, Yeah, would what be a war daddy? It's very loose definition. Yeah, war daddy to me was always the under size inside play war daddy is my guy at at Ohio line, the linebacker Brown Brown. Yeah, No,

you're no. War Daddy just means badass. That's all it means. He's a badass. But you're like you're talking about undersize like war daddy. Just war daddy means Von Miller. That's what it means. Well, of course you're picking at twenty eight, Okay, And I guess that's his That's Jared's point is if that guy's thank you, Jared. If that guy's not there at twenty eight, maybe are we may He's wants to know, are we making too much of the need at defensive end?

Maybe they Maybe it's not something you do. You just hope. I think we've we've talked about we have safety. There are plenty of bodies at defensive end, Warner bodies on the defensive line on this team. So I'm sorry, Joe, I didn't mean to get kind of snippy with you there. I think you have to look at your current roster and say, okay, Charles Harris, where would he fall in the pecking order on your depth chart? Is he an instant starter? Is he a guy who's gonna have to

start as a backup? And then maybe here it's a starting job at some point in his rookie year. How does the how do these guys compare to what you have on the roster already? That's peak speaking from the cow. Harris is different than what they have Because I always talk about the left ends. He's a right end. He's a right end. He's a right end. Yeah, I agree him or what I have? What right higher? I like what I've seen from What more than what I've seen

from Harris. I mean I'm not the experts like y'all, but I like both both the first round players. Pick one what Okay, you're gonna pick what. I would take what over Harris. One thing with what I don't think we've talked enough about is don't say try hard and I think about that enough. Yeah, we know who he is. You know that's his identity. But is that multiple knee injuries. It's something that needs to be talked about. He's here visiting.

They're gonna push him, pull on him. Remember what, he was a guy who didn't play defense until two fifteen. I mean he's still raw in several areas. I mean, he needs to get better. He's a quarterback in high school tight end at Wisconsin when he got there, didn't move to defense until two fifteen, So they're still gets a pretty good skill for not really knowing how to play. Then, well, when you watch and yeah, it's one of the reasons I like him so much because this last year is

his first year as a starter. Yeah, and he going up what he did as a starter, you expect him to get better and better. So, but it is and that's something that needs to be talked about with what who's got the chance to have the career that's the most steady watt or Harris? I mean, if you, if you, if you're looking at twenty eight and it's not a war daddy situation, who's got the chance to have the career? You know, the guy that's just gonna be you know,

down after down, He's gonna be what you wanted. I mean, he's gonna be a tough guy. He's gonna play the run, he's gonna get pass rush. You think it's what over Harris? Yeah, problem of the two. Yeah, the guy that probably is gonna have the career of the better rusher is Harris. The guy that's going to be the most complete player, better all around guy, it's probably gonna be what probably? I mean it. I don't think it's a huge gap in terms of pass rush ability. Yeah, I mean I

think what can give you enough juice? I mean, I don't think Harris is head and shoulder is the better pass rush right, And given that guy's taking at twenty eight, don't usually turn into Von Miller. You can hope. I can dream lots off the board a Pro Bowl quarterback that doesn't have a chance at pick at one, nine, nine. Every freaking week I bring this up. But at twenty eight, I'm cool with the guy with a high floor, which

is why I don't have a problem with Charlton. Give me the high floor, give me the guy that give me the guy that's not going to disappoint me. I'm a problem with try. We don't have to talk about it. I know we don't have an example. I know I'm with you. Quick, we got time for one more, sure, with one more friend of the show, Bobby Belt. He says, Uh, he's seen reports about Justin Evans playing corner and do

you think that's possible? Yeah, I think that that makes some sense because he's a bad tackler and he's a very good athlete. So I mean, if you you can't be a bad role, you can't be a bad tackler and play safety from my team, this you just can't. This justin Evans out of A and M. Sorry, right, So, but he's a very good athlete straight line speed, he's more he's a four or five guy, but he's explosive. Um and you know what he can do in coverage

is why you like him. He's kind of the poor man's Millie Cooker where there's some questions in run support, a lot more questions with Evans, but I see Hooker tackle better than Evans. Yeah, he's a better tackle, but Hooker still has his questions and run support. I did say this though about Evans, and this is this is from my notes. If he could tackle, you might consider him in the first round. Yeah, yeah, I put that in my notes because I went back and we're doing

it for the magazine. I went back and read every he's one of the top ten guys I have at that position, and I and I he is one of those guys that the coverage part of it is I think is really good. I really don't want to safety who can't tackle, but he would make me. Really he's a fifty fifty tackler at best. That's awful. And he's he's a no, he's a faster. JJ Wilcox is what he is. JJ was better than fifty fifty. I think it at times in twenty sixteen, at least, see this

guy didn't take terrible angles. This guy will take some bad angles, not terrible ones. I don't know if to do it justin Evans because I think he can't get better and run support, but how much better? And that basically dictates how how you draft them. If you think he can get it markedly better and run support, than you consider them in the second round. But I worry. That's why I game A three to four on my board.

I have him the fourth myself. Yeah, all right, but this thing about it is, if they took him at sixty, what conversation we're gonna have that night. Brian's gonna throw something against the studio wall. I'll try would be nice, That would be a reach a little bit. Yeah, okay, all right, thank you very much, day, thank everybody out there for the questions on Twitter. On the twenty. When we come back, let's dive into Dane Brugler's mock draft.

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radio stations. So we will do all that here in about three weeks twenty two days, So looking forward to that. Okay, Dane Brugler put up a mock draft this week. I always think the first one is your best one, in your last one is the one that you try and win an award on to be the right one. So and remember, mock drafts are not what we think should happen. Yeah,

not what I would do. They're just make people think. Yeah, you try to guess what could happen, and remember they're always surprises on draft day, so you kind of try and read the tea leaves and figure out connect the dots, figure out what those surprises might be. First three picks really no surprise, Scott Miles Garrett going to the Browns forty nine ers taken Solomon Thomas. Real quick about Salomon

Thomas maybe the safest player in the draft. As long as you feel comfortable with this scheme fit, Yeah, I think that's the biggest question. Would you like to fit in San Francisco there with a three to four team? They're playing for three now. They moved back, and that's

the big issue because they have Buckner and Armstead. That's okay, they switched it back then this way well, in the forty nine Ers are a true wild card with a brand new head coach, John Lynch, first year general manager, who knows if it doesn't matter who's on the roster right now, the players on the roster are not tied to this current regime. So forty nine Ers could go

and any single direction. But I do think to your point, Salmon Thomas being more of a safer pick, yeah, I think he'd be a great place to start building the new forty nine ers. H I'm hearing some whispers that Carolina could come to that pick at two that means they would go from eight to two, and I've heard

that too, and I just don't get it. When you can, like all we've talked about this whole draft cycle is like, man, San Francisco is in a tough spot because who do you There's nobody that you really feel great about it too, So why would you give up assets to go up to a spot you don't feel great about. I think the problem is is there's the top six players and there's a drop off, and the Panthers at eight are kind of like, well, we're on the outside looking end.

We want to get one of those top six guys, and so but to get up that high, it's probably gonna take a future one, and that's you just can't do that. I love Salmon Thomas, but you can't trade a future one. A guy that will chart right here, the guy that'll be there for you at eight is better than getting rid of a future one on the Cowboy chart three thousand excuse me, a twenty six hundred four through the math here, guys, twenty six hundred for that second all pick. To get there, you're at sitting

at the Carolina, you're at the fourteen hundred. It's twelve hundred points. Yeah. So yeah, that's probably I mean, that's equal, that's basically equal the twelfth overall pick. Yeah, that's what it would cost you. Yeah to go and the Panthers you expect them to be picking not in the top ten next year, Yeah, exactly. Uh, I've got Lattimore going to Cleveland at three, Chicago at three. Excuse me, Jacksonville

takes Jonathan Allen at four, Tennessee the pick Jacksonville. I don't know what to do with them because their roster, they have a good roster, like you, but you keep adding defensive players too, a position by position. Yeah, they don't have like a glaring need except just that quarterback. You know, Blake Bortles is the guy right now. But yeah, they because they addressed they do so much in free agency and they've had a lot of hot, lofty draft picks.

Yeah they should be better than they are. And yeah, you didn't do it, But a lot of people pencil in Leonard Fournette at four, and I'm just like, don't they have Yelden and Ivory? Like what, why do they need a running back that badly that they would spend a top five pick on one. Well, you could argue that's maybe the biggest need, just because they're so they're

they're steady at every other position. I mean, they addressed corner and that that's gross that they gave Chris Ivory thirty million dollars and they drafted t J. Yelden in the top fifty, so he was a top fifty pick. Yeah, second rounder, ross early second rounder. You get to wonder with Tom Coughlin coming in, how that might affect their draft. Yeah, thinking so Jaguars, I mean, all these guys are wild card, all these teams are wild cards. But another one we'll

get through this Tennessee, Tennessee. It takes Adam Smillis, Shoe Jets take Trubisky from North Carolina quarterbacks. Who knows? Yeah, bleek Hooker goes to the Los Angeles Chargers. So you've got a sepisode of going before Hooker. Yeah? Is that just because that can't because of his injury? Just thinking because with Adams you have a safer player Hooker because it hasn't been able to work out. And I That's

what I was gonna say earlier. I do. I agree with it, Like I think Malie Hooker has the higher potential, but Adams is the more surefire, steady player. Yeah, no question. I got Hooker over Adams myself. I think so why Yeah, I think everybody that drafts the safety wants him to be Ed Reid and have like seventy career intersevens. Sure, Malie Hooker has a better potential to turn into that guy than Jamal Adams. But Jamal, But Jamal Adams is a ready made beast who will be able to do

everything from day one. I just don't he'll be a leader in your locker room from yeah one. But I just I don't think he'll be that. I don't know that he'll reach that Earl Thomas level. No, I don't think so. But he's very well rounded. He's you know, he he's not gonna hurt you out there. But I think I and this is and I went to LSU, but I think I'd rather have the guy with the higher potential. I agree, So give me Hooker even though he hasn't be able to work out he's been injured

one year. Guy, Yeah, I still take Cooker. Okay, sorry about there's checking to see if we get any pro dam page. I'm gonna get to these. I do want to get to the boys. Ye five minutes ago, just if you let me, I got a fournette to Carolina at eight. Cincinnati takes Derek Barnett from Tennessee. Boy, that's gonna hurt the Cowboys right there. But that's what you thought all along. Top twelve type guy number ten, Buffalo takes Corey Davis. New Orleans at eleven takes Ruben Foster.

Cleveland at twelve takes Oj Howard. A lot of people have quarterback kind of thrown into that mix. But we'll see Arizona Deshaun Watson. That's thirteen. Philadelphia takes Christian McCaffrey at fourteen. That's an interesting addition, right thought. If I'm a Cowboys fan, I hate that. That's that's not good. Indianapolis Colts take Hassan Riddick at fifteen. Baltimore takes Mike Williams at sixteen. Washington at seventeen takes Malik McDowell. Kind

of a player. They kind of do that, they take, They take those guys, and you know these defensive ends nobody kind of. I mean you kind of some questions out ability he would play in for them. Yeah, I mean he could play both. I think yeah, I think he plays the appeal with him. Yeah. Tennessee with their second first round pick at eighteen, take In Joku tied in from Miami. Here's where he gets interesting. Tampa Bay at nineteen takes Mellofagu. Wow, damn there, and you don't

like him? No, I mean, who saw Kean O'Neill and Karl Joseph both going top twenty last year. Good point, you know, and I think Obi Melonfonimo was a prime candidate to be overdrafted. Uh And I mean you guys. I saw you guys gushing about how he just looked in Oh, we saw him. You know, he's Kirk kurb Street gives out the awards for like who looks best in their uniform? Yeah, that guy, he does. Yeah, that's interesting. That would be that. I think that would catch Dallas

a little bit. By surprise, twenty eight feels high for Obie. I can't even imagine if he goes top twenty. Ram Chick goes at twenty Detroit at twenty one takes t J. Watt. That's another one where Dallas kind of goes, oh, oh, is that a real pen drop or a fake penn No, that's a real one. That's a real mad. That's real mad.

You know. Now you're now you're starting to panic a little bit because you're seven picks away, you know, and you're you're sitting there and you're you're starting to lose players. Read off the rest because I've I've got an idea here. Oh no, we're going to rest. Get ready, and then an interesting one. Bowser Taias Bowser from UH from Miami takes him at twenty two the Giants Patrick Mahomes quarterback

Texas techt twenty three, Oakland takes Dalvin Cook. Holy smokes, if Dalvin Cook makes it all the way to Oakland. At twenty four, a man Reggie McKenzie, big hogshead cheese, is gonna be going nuts if that happens. Houston at twenty five takes Garrett. I always missed that one up bowls Utah tackle. Here's Seattle. Here's another one. Kevin King. Dave helm now is upset. Dave throws his highlights. Yeah,

this is at one. Twenty six Kevin Kelvin King goes to Seattle, Kansas City takes a Gerard Davis linebacker from Florida. And now it's Dallas is on the clock. Okay, And here's what I was gonna say. Let me tell you he's left on the board. Yeah, tell me who's left on the board. Yeah, if Charles Harris is on the board, Tack McKinley is on the board, Fabian Moreau's on the board, Tabor's on the board, and Dane Burgler takes a Dorry Jackson.

Explain yourself there, mister Burgler. This team likes him. This team likes a Dorry Jackson quite a bit. And I drop in knowledge, just dropping knowledge. I think at Dorry Jackson to me, I gave a second third round grade. I really worry about him in coverage. And that's that's what you want to hear. Yeah, exactly. But he's an elite athlete, and like, this is a player who had eight special teams touchdowns and we talked about it earlier,

four on punts, four returns on kicks. H So he immediately helps you on special teams as a return man. And then at Dory Jackson's one of the top thirty visits. You know they're bringing them in. They're gonna do their research on him. I don't know. I think I think at Dorriy Jackson's gonna end up in the first Does you have the link that they like? I mean the length, the arm Lenk we've talked just I think it just enough. I mean not he doesn't have Kevin King. Are you

hoping here right now? It's it's not selling me on this. He's he's got what thirty thirty one and three eight. Yeah, just over thirty one. That's what you want as a corner. Yeah, that's and that's true. He doesn't that's the whole thing that he doesn't have the height. But Will McClay tells you that he likes a corner with it has some reach. So here's what I was gonna say. I'll make my point quickly, and it works out perfectly. Dane has three

quarterbacks going off the board. Deshan Kaiser still there when they pick. He's got him going thirty two to New Orleans. We also talked about Cleveland at thirty three. I think, I mean, that would be my dream scenario in this instance, is to try to get out of twenty eight and get somebody to come up and get Kaiser. If I couldn't do that, I would draft either. So you're not liking the names. You're not liking Harris, I couldn't McKinley. If I couldn't do that, I would draft probably Tack, Yeah,

which I never thought. I know. We've come full circle. Yeah, we've come What just happened? Yeah, I read a report because I had to write a story. I read a report that he thinks he can be ready by the end of camp. So I'm not that scared about the Labram, and I think he's the best possible option. Look at the smile on this guy's face. Hey, you investigated. They read the last stuff. Few picks before we get out

of here. You got twenty nine Green Bay taking Gary on Conley, Pittsburgh taking a gamble on Jabril Pepper's Taco, Charlton to Atlanta, and Deshaun Kaiser rounding it out. Going to the same all right, David Hellman wants to go back. Dane Burglar thinks the Cowboys ought to take a look at a Dory Jackson. Not that they should, but they will and they have. It's not about what they should do, it now what he thinks they will do? Yeah, no, no, hey,

and he's right. He's here for one of the thirty visits, which is going on right now. So okay, well, hey, thanks everybody out there. I want to thank Dame Burglo, David Helman, Kent Garrison for executive producer. I want to thank Derek Eagleton Taylor Stern for always helping us out. I want to thank you guys out there for listening with us. We'll be back tomorrow at eleven amorrow with

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