Draft Show: Reviewing Dane's Cowboys Mock Draft

Brian brought us here along with Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. We'll always talk about this if there's enough time to do everything we need to do. You want to look at that one more player, maybe try and figure us all out. Guys, the hay is getting pretty close to be putting in the barn for me. I agree, I know Dane doesn't. Dane's got one more guy. There's always another guy, another stone you can look under. Yeah.

How confident are you that you have watched every player that's going to get drafted probably ninety eight percent and there's always a few that so as cats on our show for three years. Seriously, but there's always the lifeblood of the show. There's always you know, guys later in the draft that you know, there might be one team that's on him or two teams, but because they want to make sure they don't have to wrestle for him

and freedency, they'll draft him in the seventh round. A guy that there will be some teams that, oh wow, some teams will be shocked that a player he is drafted, But in the later rounds, that's what you drafted guys, so you don't have to worry about trying to throw money at him in Freedency. We welcome everybody that's listening to us around the country, around the world. We do

appreciate you. I can confirm that the Cowboys are in their war room right now putting together aboard Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Jason Garrett, all the scouts here at the complex. Last week was visits. We're seeing some teams around the league that are still visiting some guy Cowboys on a

little bit different schedule. They got their visits out of the way, they got Dallas Day done last week, and now they're hunkering down and they're gonna put this board together, and they are hunkering down, like, yeah, these things have been I mean, what it's Thursday. Yeah, they've been going from like eight to six. Yeah, every day this week, taking a little break for lunch, and then getting back

at it. So if you're a Dallas Cowboy fan, just know that your guys are working right now, and guys and gals are working in that room to to put this thing together. Speaking of putting together, Dane Brugler put together one of the most incredible things I see every year. He did the actual entire draft, the entire NFL draft. What was the final number on the picks? What two fifty four was the last number from one to two

fifty four. He put this thing together. Check out his Twitter feed at dp Brugler to look at that and uh in h find a way again to to like I say, to look at it, duddiot. This guy is one of the best in the business when it comes to his mock drafts. He knows these players we've talked about. That's why he's on the show with us all this time because he does know these players. I want to get in Dane to your mock draft of the Dallas

Cowboys if I could for this first twenty minutes. By the way, guys, we're gonna have the Twitter on the twenty as we always do, and then we're gonna have another little game which I enjoy playing, is like who would you rather? Okay, and so Dane and I are going to go through that. Dave's got the names and we're going to figure out who would you rather when it comes down to it. But Dane, I want to

start with that pick at two fifty eight. Again, when I say the number two, the first number is the round, the second number is the pick. At two fifty eight. You went with Juan Thornhill, the safety from Virginia. Some reasons why, and can you give me an idea of who was available as well when you went with that pick, And I think that might be best case scenario for this team if one the Hill is available, I think that's easy pick. That's weird, that's the direction you go this.

We know this team needs safety. It might be their top need. If not top, it's top three. And we know this safety class, We've talked about it every week. It's a little top heavy in the second round, and will it stretch to fifty eight, maybe maybe not. They might be wiped out of options at the safety position of fifty eight. And so if Thornhill does get there, who want Thornhill? The tape check mark, the testing check mark, production check mark. I mean he checks all the boxes.

You know, he didn't run the three cone short shuttle, the combine. I got a little worried about that. How does pro Day ran sixty eight three cone like? You know, he continues at check boxes throughout the process, four year start or all that corner safety versatility. So if he's there at fifty eight, and I just for all those reasons I just mentioned, is the reason why he might not get to fifty eight. Okay, So if he's there at fifty eight, I think it's a no brainer. The

picks right after that some interested interesting names. Joe one Williams for Vanderbilt. There you go, where's that that corner, that long corner from Vanderbilt that nobody thinks can run and can play? And Chris Richard went to Nashville to work him out, right, So salty it went one pick later. Yeah, only a few more names here in the second round. Jalen Ferguson Attack and a name that I think Dave will maybe debate made that maybe you should have been

fifty eight Deebo Samuel. I listen, y'all know how I am. Like, sure, I have my opinions. I would love that, but like I've made my piece that that's probably not going to happen. Like I know that doesn't mean that I can't bang the drum, but and you know, as much as great as I think it would be, I can't argue against taking you know, the best available safety. Like that doesn't bother me at all. Can we trade back here? Guys? Trade back? Is that? I mean? I'm just I just

heard a lot of quality names right there. I mean, and he said he trade away from the safety? He said three? I mean how he said three? I love all three names? He said, I love all three? And then how far back are you trading? I'm just a few picks. Just if somebody wants to come get a guy, and what are you getting? What do you tell me about what's the rumor about Taylor rap people thinking he might be there? Huh at four seven eight? Yeah, you're

starting to hear this a little bit now. All right, well this is and that's help me and we're not trading away from that cat, but you would trade away from Thornhill. I would trade away from Thornhill. Yes, let's break it down. Why. I just think that Rap for what they want their safety to do, to play the down safety, give me Rap over Thornhill because I think

he's a better tackler. I think he's a more physical player to be that box guy, you gotta have a lot of guts to stand in there and play that way at a linebacker, and I think Thornhill is He's absolutely right about Thornhill the player. But I think Rap gives you a physical presence down there in that box, and that's what I want. No, I don't. I don't think disagree there. I think we all would take Rap over Thornhill. But why would you trade away from Thornhill

if you would stay there? Because I'm okay with Williams and I'm okay with Deebo Samuel. What about your safety position then? Yeah, because again, corner and wide receiver probably stretched a little more than the safety group. That's why there's no way I'm trading away from Thornhill at there

that pick. And you guys know I Lovell. Why isn't he one of those guys we talked about going up for then last week when we had this big discussion, you guys tell you always like, why do you why does it have to like if you you have to be willing to trade up for a guy to like him. No, I'm just saying you guys, you're saying, I'm just telling you. Guys were trying to convince me that we needed to go get Rap better player than I know I do. But but but now, all of a sudden, Raps not

good enough. That's not what we said. Are you on the same show. No, that's not what we said. Yes, Rap, I think we would all take Rap over Thornhill, all of us. Yeah. But if if Raps aren't there front of the same show, sorry, so an award Wink show, sir. If Rap is not there, Thornhill is there. I'm not training away from that because okay, I'm not getting a safety at ninety that's even close to those guys. That's my And again, they brought in Willis. You guys know

how I feel about Michigan State. That's like I said, Yeah, okay, I'm just I'm just telling me who they brought in. No, I know, do you think he's a third round talent. No, they might, they might, dope, sure they might. Safety is really one of those positions where like, I'm boy, you guys are buckled in on this safety, aren't you know what? And well, look at what they've done, Brian, Like, look at what the Cowboys have done over the last couple

of weeks. They are circling in on safety. They signed to Marcus Lawrence, they added a bunch of defensive women free agency. I don't know our Twitter scouts out there saying they prefer Savage over Thornhill. That's actually I love Savage. Save it, that's a that's a Twitter question. Save it because I'm curious about that. But I want to and I know we got to go through all simes, but

I'm curious. You know, you're you're sitting here saying, oh, he's he's the box safety, that's what they want, which you know, I love to bring this up. DeMarcus Lawrence was mister right end when they drafted him, and he's playing left end right now. So what if you get what if you get a guy in here and you know is it's so hard to imagine that six months from now, they're like well, Thorn Hills or Wrap for

that matter. He's just a natural at free like we drafted him to do this, but he's a better free like. They do that type of stuff all the time. So give me the better all around player. I don't care if he fits what they're looking for right now. Triston Hill defensive tackles, Central Florida. They're hunting defensive tackles, aren't they. David Holmett, they sure are. Brian brought us. Yeah, we

know they're gonna look at defensive line. Even with de Marcus Lawrence in the fold, Robert Quinn on this team, they're still gonna look at defensive linement inside and out. Sure, if you can get that penetrating three technique, which Tristan Hill I think we believe can be that guy. He's a thirty visit. I think at ninety it was really good value. Now there's a name, a couple of names right after him that would be interesting for this team.

Anthony Nelson, why why are you exasperating? I'm just there's always gonna be an I'm excited because then it gives you options. Okay, I thought you were frustracted. Anthony Nelson, throw my pen I get frustrated going one pick later. Yeah, Anthony Nelson Iowa defensive end liked him right. Uh, if they want to go tight end, Warring went right after him. Oh, San Diego State hold that thought. If they want to go offense, McCole Hardman right, went right after him. Um,

Bobby Evans went right after him. Now now now I'm out. They've they've showed interest in Bobby. I'm out now. So those are just a few names that went after pick nine. Hill Youthee is an undertackle, right, Yeah, he's more of that quickness. He's gonna get up fuel. Uh. You love the energy, the motor that he plays with. It's not always the most efficient, but it's there, and I think you can you can coach that. Yeah. Now there's some questions about finding the ball and stuff a little bit

there with that. Right, right there we go guy who started one game last year because he didn't exactly mesh well with the new coaching staff. Sure, but at the same time, you know, as long as you're comfortable with the player he interviewed, well, um, you know you're gonna feel comfortable with him there at that point. Okay, I want to circle this back to Jalen Ferguson because he was a guy we talked about at fifty eight. I mean,

never say never, but defensive end is that? Is that the best use of your resources here at this point? What they've done well, they got a one year deal on Quinn. You don't know what the situation with with with Randy. Yeah, that to me, if they if their owns getting closer, if they Yeah, if they were worried about defensive ends, I think they would have brought one end. But Ferguson, and that's another a good point, Ferguson. Ferguson

to me makes a lot of sense. But but I would I think they I think they have more promit defensive tackle than they do. Yeah. Agree. And by the way, folks, if you're I hope if you're listening from another team, we're talking about these players what they are too. I mean, Dane's giving you a scouting report, so hopefully it's not just cowboy totally cowboy related to you, but you're getting

an idea of what type of players these are. I just I wonder and to your point, I mean, they didn't bring in a ton of true defensive ends in this year's visits. Ferguson was the only one, or did they even wind up bringing him? It never brought him in, so exactly. That's kind of my point is it just doesn't seem like it. Okay, okay, well, okay, Friday's over, we're packing up shop, getting ready to come back for Saturday. How do you feel about one Thornhill and Trista Hill

being your new was Dallas Cowboys? Let's go? You happy with that? Yeah, let's go. Yeah. No, it's a big win. Even though you hate Thornhill. I don't hate Thornhill. I just did fifty eight. I'm kind of like, Oh, he's the same guy. He's the same guy as you got. I'm sad it's not that, but no, but you're convinced me that. Oh, Brian, you know how they switch these guys around. They do they do. You're going to change the narrative to fit what they want to do. Absolutely absolutely.

I'm just saying, got that wraps there. You talk about something, he'll get excited if that, if it gets close and all of a sudden, I'm I'm and we have to make a decision if we're gonna stay or we're gonna move a little bit. I got all these teams in front of me. I hate. I'm sorry Texans fans. I'm sorry Eagles fans. I used to work at the Eagles. I'm sorry. There's no there's no way to quantify this, and I know people want to hear about that. There's

no way to quantify it. But like, this won't follow the script exactly, you know what I mean, Like I mean we're sitting here. Yeah, but it's good discussion, man, No, it's great discussion, great discussion. I think that should be encouraging for any fan. Yes, like here here in your late in the round two round two weeks before the draft, You're like, there's just no way Rap will be there or Abraham or this man talks to a lot of people around the way. Just wait to see his reaction

when the Cowboys passed on Taylor Rap. That's what will happen. Now, clip this out, Kent is He'll be there and they'll take somebody else, Like, oh no, that's how the stuff question, and then I will lose my absolute mind. And so with all of our fans, yeah exactly. And I hate to be the influencer like those ladies that are on Instagram influencers I'm an influencer on the draft. Oh my god, yeah, yeah, you's a pipe piper, folks. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, right,

it's a tape, right, all right. Go to the fourth round, fourth round, one, twenty eighth when Bryce Love sapt running back for you, even though he wasn't a thirty visit for this team. You know, it's just you don't want to Collard and guys like that. Maybe, I mean right, and again, coming off the injury, you don't know what he's gonna give you this year, sure, because it was

a December or November. Yeah, November, December, December. Yeah, I was at the cal the big game, right, so I do think it's worth So he got a clean bill from the combine rechecks this week here we go and then and you know, obviously players are going to bet on themselves and sell themselves. But he goes on Ian Rappaport's podcast and was like, acl injuries aren't with they used to be? Yeah, which, like I love hearing that because maybe I'll have him by September or maybe even

he might be a pup guy. Right, yeah, beat miss half year. It ain't a big enough deal that I'm scared of drafting him. No, I would be very I would be very excited about. But it's just enough where he might follow you in the fourth sure, which is what you want? Would you have the fourth round him? Give me a couple of names? Uh, right after him? And this is a guy considered if if they didn't go Deefen to tackle on the third Daniel Wise from Kansas. Oh,

there we go. There's plenty of Dallas and Daniel Wise connections. Ye. That's one of those circle that circle, that name, circle that name, Daniel Wise, Kansas. So that was a possibility. Um right before him, a few running backs, I went running back, running back, running back? Oh, listen to that, Rychwell, Armstead, Dexter Williams, and Bryce Love. Okay, those always running backs. He's thinking about him in the third round or fourth round.

Emmanuel Hall or Missouri went right before who this team brought in for a thirty visites? Its draft being good so far? Yeah, funny how it works out for you when you're doing it in theory. Yeah, But and then when it happens, I'm gonna be like throwing up on myself. I think, oh, you'll be elated, you'll be elated. Yeah. At one thirty six for the Dallas Cowboys. I went John Kaminski. See this is the one where I sucking wind in my teeth right now, I'm doing that. I

don't know why. I'm just not a fan of his. It's there's so much inconsistency with the way he plays. We're trying to fix sp tackle all at once like a play. Yeah, but he plays in he gets real tall, he runs up, he's got trades. He's absolutely right about the trades you will see him play. They don't have a bounce house in the end zone, so I can't really grade him that highly. You need to have a bounce house if you're doing any small schools doing this stuff.

But me, to me, you have to find a way again, where do you play this guy? Do you play him at tackle? Do you play m a defensive end? That's that's I think you play him at end? I think he's a he can be a base end for yeah, there he goes. He's like a left end is what he is, you know. But man, I don't know, there's just so much. I'm like, I'm watching some katiges. I just got blocked by a butcher. You know. You know, if you know, like, he's not wrong. Played at the

Division two level. Yeah, it's I'm saying, though, I see and that's I know. Look, I know he was a visit. I know he's a name the Cowboys have interested in. But I gotta based on their recent history, I gotta see it to believe that they're drafting a guy out of Charleston in the fourth round. Yeah, that's just not what they've done. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I'm racking my brain to think of like, oh, but he's a Marinelli

type of guy. Dane's not wrong about this. He's a Marinelli type of guy that they'll be like, he thrashes around, he runs, he you know, Rod, they'll try to we'll try to get him for you in the seventh I could be wrong. I see. I have to give if the fourth round is where he's probably gonna go, what is he's not you think? So? Yeah? What is the smallest hang team's draft trade by the Cowboys draft of the nineties. Oh god, Brian's you're just giving Brian anxiety.

I don't will Will not take a player from Charleston at ninety all right, what what what's the small and I have it pulled up here, so I know the answer. The smallest school that's not the Will McClay era. What is the smallest school that a Will McClay draft has taken Michigan? When did they take him? Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan. Yeah, fer which Central Michigan is a pretty big bus league.

So group of five, you've got Northern Illinois, You've got Wyoming, you've got Eastern Michigan, Central Michigan, Uh, Louisiana, Tech, Western Kentucky, Well, Mike White, Yeah, all all group of five and all round five or later. So they've got a five year history of really banking on pretty big schools. I I gotta see it to believe that they're gonna draft fair. Absolutely, I think that's fair. I think with a second fourth round pick, I don't know. You never know. And that's

and I respect you. No, No, I totally. He was. He was a thirty. Like you're pulling this out of nowhere? Okay, five one sixty five. Cole HOKEM North Carolina linebacker. We know this team likes a draft linebackers. Coul HOKEM outstanding trades. He's a former walk on, just an easy player to like if you want him. Yeah, I can get super aggressive, though maybe overly aggressive the way he plays. Could you

watch him play. He'll run to the football, will tackle, and all of a sudden it's like whoa, he rover ran the play and he's right there, but he gets he gets to the spot in a hurry. Yeah, I like that pick at five one sixty five. I agree. And some names right after him, Carl Granderson for Wyoming. There's a lot going on there, isn't there. My off field stuff not really good with him Granderson, Wyoming. It's not great. Although it sounds like I might be cleared

up here pretty shortly. Okay, I'm talking to scouts again. Yes, uh, Dak's Raymond waiting right around that. Are tie it in? Yeah, I'm tied in. Jalen Hurd Baylor. Oh you give him the way. I'm a big Jayalen Hurd fans. See, I'm getting excited about this draft because he names Penny Hard. I'm kinda gonna pushing him away. We haven't seen him since a combine or since the mobile. Yeah, yeah, I'm pushing him away, all right. I just don't. I'm not a fan of his Okay, I'm just not a fan

of his. I wanted to like him, and you guys were trying to sell me on him, but I'm not. I'm not a fan before Give me Herd before him. If you're gonna draft the wide receiver, give me her Herd ran four six three. Yeah, it happened. This burlap bag was just a bag race. What were you doing? Then? He must still be bothering him, you think not no time to train? Well, yeah, because he he gets pressure tree late December. They're feeling pressure to run, right. Well,

he was supposed be pricked him. He was supposed to be good to Senior Bowl and do it. So once we got the combine, couldn't do it. Baylor's Pro day is late or early April. Yeah, it wasn't hundred percent and have enough time to train so real quick. Two on seven, two forty one in the draft of the Cowboys, Chris Westreet corner from Kentucky who six four and a

half literally six h four four. Yeah, ran in the corner, which is just you don't see six four corners right, and ran a four to three at the pro day, and we talked about the Kentucky defenders. There's you know, a half dozen. These guys aren't getting drafted. He's the one in the secondary who didn't get invite to the combine tall drink of water. Who athleticism is there? Uh? You know? He can stick to receivers. It's just he doesn't really have a fuel for coverage. He doesn't. But

he's basically here in the seventh round. It's pet project for Christian Sharpe. Put him on the track, just put him on the practice squad, and like Christoph Sharp, the measurables alone would get him picked in the sixth. If he's in two forty one. Yeah, if he'said two forty one, whoa what what gas mask? What happened? Maybe that's a n Xavier Wood situation where you trade up into the six exactly. That's it. I just realized that Bryce Love is the only offensive player you took in this draft,

which I mean, hey, yeah, what's six picks right? Defense? Yep, you got that right. As much as I would love to see this team draft the receiver, I think you can get away. I mean, you need a running back.

Other than that, I think you could get away with not drafting anything the way this is yeah, because I mean you still have hopes for Noah Brown, right right, for lance LEANOI we still have hopes for them, and that's not really a bad fallback plan if they don't drafts what our Boyse State receiver from last year, Wilson.

So I think this team does not need to draft the receiver if they don't get their guy and say the third or fourth round, which, before anybody yells at me, I yeah, Will McClay has spent big picks on Boise State players, but I consider that like the best of the best, like they're basically a Power five program. I think so too. So now for my undrafted I'm just kidding her. Hey, all right, hey, thank you Dan, great chop.

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Darnell Savage. Let's just say they're top two players available. He says, who fits better with Dallas. I just want to know, in general, like a thumbnail, a comparison between these two guys. We talked a lot about Thornhill, haven't talked as much about Savage. Cowboys don't seem to be as interested perhaps why just kind of break those two down for me. Well, I think they're both interesting because

they have corner safety versatility. Both thorn Hill is a safety for two years or thorne Hill is a corner for two years before he moved back to safety. Savage was a corner when he arrived, played a little bit, but he's moved to safety pretty quickly at Maryland. Savage is a little undersized, and that's what I think you worry about in a safety because he's just below He's about five ten three quarters one hundred ninety eight pounds. Ideally,

you want to safety as bigger than that. Thorne Hill's over six foot two hundred and five or six pounds, so the size advantage goes to Thornhill. That's that's a big part of a safety because you're talking about a guy who's it's it's a physical position. You have to be able to hold up some Some teams won't even draft a sub two hundred pound safety, won't even consider it. Yeah, that's why Thompson from Alabama's having some issue right now.

I believe that in the injury and nobody really is sure what he really runs, that risk keeping him from running, which I don't understand Dane. Well, I'll tell you this though, I think Dane nailed both these guys. I think if you're either one of these guys can cover. I think both these guys show really good range when you watch them play, you know, and that's you know, you're looking for a guy. It's a free safety type of guy.

And this day and age is a safety. You gotta be able to cover a little bit, you know, you gotta be able to go. If they asked you to plan the slot a lot of it, you could argue, yeah. I mean they asked Xavier Woods his rookie year, they threw him in this slot and asked him to play, and he held up pretty well. And so I think that you know, Savage and Thornhill, either one of those I know, to get into Uh, we're gonna get into

our little thing. Who would you rather? You know? And that would be a that's a good who would you rather? Right there to me? Thorne Hill and yeah and Savage. Yeah, So you think that it's Savage's size that kind of pushes him out of the commerce hundred ninety eight pounds. He's five to ten four. I believe it is what he is. I think I'm right about that. It's five and six, six, You never you never know for sure.

I mean the Cowboys have drafted guys that they haven't been strongly linked to obviously, Like all six run now, all six of their picks are not going to be thirty visits. Yeah all right, but we just haven't heard a lot about him and three five and I love Savage, um, and he's sixty eight on my board overall. Um, I just have Thorne Hill whenever Jeff Thorne Hill. I have a new top one hundry coming out, thorn Hills forty seven. So okay, So yeah, that's well. And I love Savage.

I was talking about him when nobody was in the fall. Yeah, you know, like he's he's a player that pops off the screen because of his place, be the way he can jump route make play is um. But it's just the size does worry me a little bit. And that's why I view him as an early third and not a mid second. Like so you've got two guys who can really read and react to that's I mean, that's it's a fair it's a fair comparer. He's got him a part. But I mean I I'll tell you what.

I would either one of those guys, I'd be okay, I'll think either yeah too tall. Yeah, here's something that we haven't really talked about since. Probably the combine good point in my opinion. He says, with what Dallas has done in the offseason and free agency, has that made the Blue Star Special aka Jeffrey Simmons more of a possibility or is it so unrealistic to think he falls. I'd be shocked. I'd be surprised if he's out of the first round. Yeah, New England sitting at the back

end there, somebody like that. New England's got so many picks where they can they could take a hurt player and and make it work. Like I just hate saying no chance, but I would put it at maybe one percent chance he gets to fifty eight. Just bums me out, because I really they have done such a good job acquiring talent and free agency that I would love to make that pick. I don't care that he can't play this.

You know, it's you know, it's funny. First, I know if they still had their pick at twenty seven, damn right, I'd do that circle that bad boy. Absolutely, I'd be yeah, we'd be talking about that as a possibility. Question. I love this question from King Q because it's Cowboys related, but not really well sort of. You'll see. He says, as a Cowboys fan, how should I feel if the Giants select Dwayne Haskins? M I'd feel better if you're a Cowboys fans. That's there, you go, that's the crux

of it. Like, are you excited because you don't think he's good? If you're a Cowboys fan, I think you'd rather than take Daniel Jones. Yeah I do too. Yeah, that's thank you, Thank you for saying that, because I'm I'm about fed up with and I'm not a quarterback whisperer, but I'm pretty fed up with this pre draft hoop law that Haskins might be the fourth best quarterback, he might be the fourth drafted. I think it's possible, which is insane. I agree, why the one year sample size

bothers people? And then just the so he's not the best at negotiating the pass rush and he's not very mobile, fine, yeah, exactly, finding the second change strong. I mean, he was standing there and make throws all day, but you got you gotta protect today's NFL. Yeah, you have to be able to maneuver and find those check second chance throws, throw off platform. He just doesn't. And I don't. I don't necessarily think it's a talent issue. I think it's just

an experience issue. It's experience. He's playing a lot of huge games. Though you can't just can't, I mean for one year quarterback. No, he has played some huge games and but you you, but you have I think you have to have mobility to play quarterback in a national football like. I think that's why. I think that's why Kyler Murray is intriguing to people that they're they're looking past the height because he's so mobile. One year sample size, yep. I don't know. I try to avoid hot takes, but

I just don't buy that this. I don't buy that Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Dwayne Haskins. I don't either. But I would not be shocked if I would not be shocked Withdrew Locke is draft ahead of Haskins, I would not be shocked at Daniel Jones as draft quarterback. At Beauty's and they on the beholder and New England, did you see New England visit a couple of those guys. Yeah, Locke and those guys smart, Yeah, they went and visited a couple. They got a couple those guys coming in. Yeah,

they've got a lot of draft capital. Yeah. So if one of those guys, the big storyline going into the draft would be how many of those four are going to top seventeen picks? Yeah? Not the Giants had that seventeenth pick, how many of the top four going top seventeen. Wouldn't be surprised of all of them go that high, but if one of them might fall a little bit, yeah, you can bet New England. Oh, they'll be on the phone. I think the Chargers, Chargers be on the phone. If

I'm if I'm if I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan. Chargers moving to new stadium too. I'm praying that the Giants take Daniel Jones. Oh, I absolutely praying. Yeah, they decide they don't want Dayne Hask Yes, you know what the Giants Gettleman he will take he will take a big ten player, he will he will gentleman will do that. Yeah. But I think when you look at Daniel Jones, that's the Giants. Okay, Giants do that but you look at Eli, Daniel Jones and Eli Manning connection there, I think I

think that that would be really appealing. Yeah, just to be able to keep that continuity, that's a very great point. I think that it could be. Yeah. No, if Daniel Jones head coach is Mike Smith. You know, like, are we still talking about Daniel Jones the way we are? I mean probably not, So that matters a lot, just how he was tutored, the Manning influence, and that's why I think for the Giants, that's why we're the connections being made, and I think we'll be made up until

draft day and we find out who they pick. Daniel Jones reminds me of Nassib just I mean, not not as a player, but like just all kinds of pre draft type and yeah, go away. Sorry, sorry, Daniel Jones. Giant fans feel are really good about that. Eric says, here's it. Okay, we want to talk about guys we haven't talked about. Eric says, Okay, we've talked about Zach Allen. Ignore that if both Zach Allen and Christian Miller fall to fifty eight or they're they're at fifty eight, time,

Zach Allen and Christian Miller, the Alabama linebacker. They're looking at this guy's a linebacker, that's linebacker kind He's a tweener kind of guy, right, huge by the way, saw him. I mean, you're looking kids. He makes some guys on the Cowboys roster look puny. He's huge and give him a sky report on the grits. Here. Just these these two guys, These two guys. And how do you feel about Christian Miller in general, because he's a guy that they brought in who we really have not talked a

lot about. There are a lot of people hire on Christian Miller than I am. I don't. I like him. But first off, he couldn't stay healthy in college. I think he started a total of like four games his entire career. Like he just he couldn't stay healthy. I like his ability to get up field and affect the quarterback from the edge. But again, if they're looking at him as a linebacker, yeah, I don't know. I I'm gonna let someone else drap him. I kind of you know,

he's a guy with dange right though. And I was looking at my notes. You know, he plays like as a stand up defensive end or an outside linebackers. Really what he plays at. I think this guy's got some snap to him. No, when you you know, when you talk about a rusher, he has a rusher you know when he when he gets on. I mean, he's got

some things. He's really quick with his hands. But I you know what, I just kind of feel like though that that if you if you draft him, he might be if they're looking at him maybe as a Sam linebacker, that that would be kind of where I would think that they maybe would play him. I hate everything you're saying, do you yeah, because you hate Sam linebacker. I hate Sam linebackers. Drafted fifty eighth overall, Yeah, I don't. There's it would make no sense that they draft him fifty eighth.

To me, I don't know. I don't get it. Can he put his hand in the dirt and rush the past? The problem is I think he's he needs to develop some passer orsh moves though. I saw a guy that tries to win on quickness and it doesn't always work with him. Yeah, that when you don't win with quickness and that's your game, you better have something else you could win with. And that's why I think maybe they're looking at this guy as a linebacker and maybe a

hand on the ground guy in Nickel. But I didn't see a guy that had I mean, if he didn't win with a quickness, he wasn't gonna win. You know how many, um you know what the percentage of snaps was for Damien Wilson last year? Twenty eight Yep, nailed it. That's the second round pick, twenty eight percent of the snaps. No go away. Sorry, you guys really draft a running back there? That I would? I would. I would rather draft a running back at fifty eight and I don't

want to, but I would. It's if it came to the Christian Miller running back, you'd take. Yeah, the running back. Yeah, especially, I mean so you're probably getting like the second or third blast running back in the class. He just went against you on that one. Huh. Well, no, I mean I would. Christian Miller's way too rich at fifty eight. Yeah, I agree, I mean, I agree on the concept of running back over a linebacker, but I would I'm putting Miller as a pan on the ground end in that scenario,

then you better teach him how to rush the past. Yes, So, and that's That's basically all he did on days In the scenario Eric presented, would you both say you'd rather draft Zach Allen then yes, because I think Zach Allen could play defensive tackle k Yeah. Yeah, he's your your Tyrone Crawford and they move on from Tyrone Crawford. This will be your new Tyron Crawford. I think this guy's name is Dane actually, tweet day three, your goal is

to draft the most polished route runner available. Name three options at wide receiver. Most polished, polished routould be available on day three. I think you would go Stanley Morgan from Nebraska. Well, that's a good start. Six foot, two hundred pounds, not the you know, he's a four or five athlete, not going to necessarily separate with ease with his quickness, but he can a little bit because he is a sharp route runner. Um. How about the kid

from Fresno, Keisha John Johnson. Yeah, I think he's a smooth. Yeah, he's very fleet of foot. Yeah. Um, it's quicker than fast, and that you see that in his routes. Jacoby Myers from NC State. Jacoby Myers would be a good one. Guy we saw at the senior Bowl who not. I mean he I'm surprised how slow he was. He ran a four six three at the combine. But he's able to be productive because of his routes. Yeah, so in a former quarterback, he's really become a natural route runner.

So I think those three names right there would make sense. Yeah, definitely from cal Davis. Davis, Yeah, yea, he had. He just had his pro day last week and did fairly well, low four fives. But another sharp route runner, very kind of a tactician at the position. Sure. Anthony Johnson Buffalo Beyond, Yeah, big guy, you know, and all these guys are kind of like four or five athletes, you know, who don't have elite speed, but they are able. And we're talking

about day three for a reason. But they are very sharp with their with their routes. Keep an eye on that. The Keyshawn Johnson from Fresno. Okay, seriously, that guy. You watched the tape of him. I mean he makes he is in and out of breaks. I mean there's not there's not a lot of wasted motion with the way play I have him. I have him more like almost like a fourth round guy. You know. He was named

after who h Johnson real Keisha Johnson. He was born six months after Keishan went number one, and his dad was a big Keishaw Johnson fan. Okay, the USC guy. Dad was the USC gut. I didn't know if that's really who he was named after. Keishaw Johnson went to the same high school as Davante Adams uh and then followed him to Fresno. And you know, maybe I fall him the Packers. We'll see. Yep. Another hypothetical for your for your brains from our friend Connor Darwin Thompson in

the sixth round or Justice Hill. We're about to play this game here in the thirty minutes. You're right now, It's okay, whatever, go ahead say Justice hillware third, we're gonna talk about Justice Let's save that, all right, We'll save it. I'm saying that. Yeah, let's go to break because that Justice Hill he's on one of our overlooked that my bed. Yeah, okay, when we return, we will play the game I was talking about. Who would you rather?

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much information in there. Skill Brand's waiting for that right now, is all right? Dave Helmet In the last fifteen minutes or so, I do want to get to this. Who would you rather help us out here? I would love to help you out Okay, and I really yeah, all right, we'll just go down. Yeah, these are the list of guys. Yeah, I'm gonna start with the position I want to talk

least about. Okay, who would you rather North Carolina State linebacker Germaine Pratt, or which we already know the answer to this if you've listened to the show Hawaii linebacker Jilani Tavai. My boy, exactly is that gonna be? Is that? Is that a tough one for you? Or is that a there? I mean that there are what four and five on my rankings, so I mean they're pretty closely rated.

But taking my boy to Vay, who I don't know, people sleeping on them and talking about them all year, and he's he's a He's exactly what the NFL is like in tremed to an extent to former safety versatility. Give me to buy inside outside can play all three downs. I just didn't do so much. And I think he's because he's out of sight, out of mind. Maybe he's been hurt with the shoulder. Yeah, people haven't been talking about him a lot. But give me to Vay and

I'll feel good about him. People are gonna be surprised when he comes off the board in the second round, but yeah, I mean that's that he's a good I got Pratt in the second round too, though. Yeah. I really like Pratt, and I mean this guy for such a long guy six two on a half to forty he could redirect, I mean, and both. That's why I think that both these guys are very similar because you watch the way they get outside the tackle box. You watch to say that the way they were able to redirect.

You watch the way they play downhill. These guys can tackle. I mean, I think they're really very similar to each other. I understand what you're saying about the Hawaii kid. I just feel like though that Pratt might be just a little bit better though when it comes to playing in coverage and stuff like that. That's just my opinion on that. I got him really close. So I mean, I I'm not gonna disagree with you strongly. Um, I think, yeah,

either way, you're coming home with two really good players. Yeah, if you, if you either whoever drafts these kids, isn't that kind of the point of the exercise. Yeah, no, absolutely, Yeah, no, no that I would take Pratt over him if you had to, if you, my tags would be proud over him. Sixty three and sixty nine on my report on my top one hundred sixty three price sixty nine. Kurt Daniels just emailed me to let us know there are hard copies available. Again, we got a new printing of the

draftmag Okay, and that's it. The Barnes and Noble saying what did Yeah, you can go to you can go to the Cowboys shop and Ferst shop and then Cowers dot com. Right, yeah, okay, I'm sorry about that. I should have been better prepared on Nick. Okay, Dan, do you like sushi? Yeah, you're supposed Tomahawk shop. Okay. Whatever was I supposed to say? I was gonna these are both raw prospects. That was That was the jokes. But now it's okay, blue Steak. Look, there we go, Pittsburgh,

Pittsburgh Blue. Yeah, there you go, San Diego States, Kahale wearing Mississippi's Dawson knocks. That's good man. Rather, I think those are those are two you know, second third round safety or tight ends guys in date on day two that after you get past the top three, assuming it's gonna be the two Iowa guys and Alabama's or Smith, who's gonna be a next tight end off the board. It could be Warring, could be Knox, could be Sternberger. Warring and Knox both, like Dave said, are raw. It's

upside picks. You like the tools, very toolsy guys and Eileen Warring in that in that case. But you know, I don't I don't have a huge difference between them. I'm I'm thinking knocks. I'd say it knocks. You watch him get down the field and Mississippi five times he did it not yeah, I mean yeah, no, but but it's no. But it's like you're thinking, when they did throw him the ball. I mean, he's making stuff happen. Wearing is really raw. You're right about that. He didn't

play football. He's a water polo Goldie and stuff like that. I mean, this guy's got some reach to him in length and things like that. He's a great athlete. I think I would go Wearing over him over Knox and I and I really I like Knox to a point. I don't think any of them are great blockers, but I thought both of them were really good with the ball in their hands. So I would probably go with Warring. That's you know, give me the guy six six two

fifty four. You know, yeah, I'm Warring. I think Warring is actually a pretty good blocker, considering, yeah, he's only been doing it for a couple of years, the fact that he had a google with tight end meant when he got to Sandeo State. Sure, so I'm pretty impressed with his blocking. For a guy that's so inexperienced, you have to draft them both at fifty eight, you would think yeah and no, just no, thank you. I know. I'm I'm scared. I don't think either we'll get to ninety.

That's fine, there's no way that either get to ninety.

You know what, I'm doing two good athletes for not when somebody drafts Dawson Knox with his thirty nine career catches at fifty or at fifty seven, I'm who's our Iowa kittle throwing is an example at Iowa did not have a lot of receptions well, and I get it the nature of like, no, like there aren't any college tight ends in this day and age that just have other worldly production, at least not very many, right, So I get that, but man, that's that's scary for me.

Cornerback uh Michigan State's Justin Lane, George's DeAndre Baker, m hm um, I have them closely rated the whole. I'm just kind of playing along with the game. Um, let me see how far apart I have Baker slightly ahead. I've got Baker at in thirty and Lane at thirty five, So I think one, Justin Lane has bigger upside um. You know, wide receiver. They moved a corner tall long.

I think he's the only I believe in my corner rankings, the only corner had over an eighty inch yeah, yeah, which is ridiculous for a corner and have that big of a wingspan. Um, But Baker is just I've seen him do it on the highest level of college football. Yeah. I think his ability to anticipate routes, timement up the catch point, and you know, just be disruptive, I think is something that I'm going to bet on over Justin Lane's upside, even though I do like his upside. It's

why I have him ranked thirty five overall. With Lane, it's there's some spacing issues. I think he'll get it figured out. It's just gonna take some time. Baker not a clean prospect by any means. There's some questions about his attitude and he's gonna work at it, and his pre drift process wasn't great. So but again, I've seen him do it at a high level at Georgia and so you know, I would bet on that over the upside of Lane. This guy's got some really good feel

how to squeeze receivers off the field. Baker. Yeah, he is one of those guys which comes to positioning. You know when when a guy turns and tries to get up the field on him, he will use his body to and he will push. Did it against Deebo? Yeah, I mean he will push wide receivers completely off the field. You're right about him playing it really high level though. Two. I just thought the reading reactions the ball was really good too, So you're going Baker too. I'm going Baker there?

Where did what was your discrepancy? Thirty and thirty five? No, I'm upside. What do the Cowboys have? They have like a hell of a dB coach, right, like a really good one who's got a track record of developing fifth round picks into all pros. And Justin Lane's like custom

built for what he wants. Yeah, give me that, especially if you tell me effort and attitude or question marks with Baker, then I'm even more or so in on Justin Lane, I think for this team, Yeah, I would not be surprised at all if they had Lane rated higher than Baker because he is I mean justin lane six two, one hundred ninety pounds thirty three in arms.

If you told me Lane and I don't, I know, I understand he probably won't be But if you told me he was there at fifty eight, even without an immediate need at cornerback, I would be elated to make Lane over Williams and Jawan Williams right from Baker. Would yeah, okay, I've got um Lane Julian Love then Joe one Williams. Yeah, okay. Wide receiver Baylor's Jalen Hurd and Toledo's Deonte Johnson M couple late third, early fourths. Maybe um, those two Lado

receivers are kind of fun to watch. All three of them? Really? Are all three? You're gonna get drafted? Yeah? Yeah, I would go Deonte Johnson, I think, what will you? I just I like watching her with the ball in his hand. He said it, he said it. There's something about herd you watch him catch the ball in the move, and that said former running back mentality. Johnson is good, dude.

That's why I was thinking about the comparison. Yeah, that's good, But but I I give me heard, just because I feel like though ball in hand, on the move, snatch the football, get up the field, make something happen. He's that guy. He's in. If you're talking about third fourth

round guy, give me that guy. I agree. I'm gonna bet on the speed of Deontay Johnson, his ability to separate and create, yeah, because he I mean, I think you're right about the running back mentality, and I think you nailed Herd, But I'll take the guy that's just a little bit better of a space athlete, you know, like where he's gonna able to create on his own, be elusive, b shifty. You can line him up everywhere on the offense, and I think you can do that

with Herd. But we've only seen him really as a big slot, you know, like we don't know can you survive as an outside receiver consistently. I'm thinking his body type of will allow him if someone grabs him and coaches him the way that he's able to he understands how to work inside right, that somebody will figure out

how to work right. And I think he can't. We just haven't seen him do it, so you know, I think, yeah, it's hurd is really I expected him to run better at the Pro Day, and so that four six is a little bothersome. And the fact that we're gonna have been a senior Bowl couldn't see him the combine that bothers me. But I still I would take him in the fourth round. I would just take Deontay Johnson ahead

of him. All Right. I need y'all to hustle with these last three because we're running or defensive tackle a couple of big school guys who aren't generating a ton of buzz. Penn States Kevin Gibbons. Auburn's Dontavius Russell ranked back to back for me, Larry, I mean, hi, I think, well, flip, it depends what you want. I think ones a nose tackle. One's an upfield guy. You know quickness, and so if you want the nose, then Dontavious Russell is your guy.

He's this big, massive guy. Yeah, he's not gonna give you range. He's not gonna give you a big, wide area of impact. But he can handle double teams, he can two gap, he can hold his own on the inside, work off blocks, and make stops first to run. Not gonna give you much as a pass rusher. No. Kevin Gibbons, on the other hand, is disruptive, pretty raw. Yeah, you know, he's still figuring things out. He was a linebacker in

high school. Yeah, played more a little bit of d N. Then he played like as an undertackle at Penn State. But he's that quickness guy. You need to be a little more creative with him. Again, So it just depends on what you want. If you want to undertackles, guy's gonna be more quick than anything. Take Givens, you want the power from those tackle you Take Russell from Auburn. Yeah, I'll tell you what. Russell's a really nimble athlete too.

Saw him pick up a fumble in one of the games and and take off running with it, And I'm like, going, whoa three hundred nineteen pounds getting up the field like that. Where we where are we getting these guys? I mean you have him back to back, but where Yeah, four, five, six, six, Yeah, so it's in the fifth probably that fifth, Yeah, paid it's in the range where it would be conceivable for this team to draft the nose. Yeah. Five at five one sixty five, we had a linebacker and he had

Holcombe going there. Yeah, but I'll tell you what, I would rather have either one these guys, probably more than Kemiski at four one thirty six. Which one do you prefer between the two? Gimme Russell. Okay, I just saw a big mammoth man. I'm surprised to hear you say you'd rather have the trash can full of dirt than the pass rusher. I just kind of feel like, though, that they need three techniques, just no quick. The Russell kid, if I didn't see him, and I didn't see that,

his masks makes him hard to block. They can't cut him off when he gets going, and they can't cut him. They can't do that. So give me Russell, give me, give me the tackle. All right? This is the best one. And yeah you alluded to it running back. Yeah, Oklahoma State's Justice hill A and M's tray ViOn Williams. I like this a lot. I don't think you can go wrong, to be honest, but I'm taking Justice hill I think why.

I think he's more fun. He's more fun. I beg to differ there, Sir David, I watched seven over times or this kid that save kid killed us. If you're an LSU fan or State fans, he probably disagreed with what he with Trayvon Williams did those defenses. But Justice Hill, you get him, give him any type of space, he'll manipulate it. He'll I just think he's and I've got both these guys as three fours, as borderline top one

hundred type guys. I just I'll take the athleticism of Justice Hill over Trey ViOn Williams, who I like, I just don't know, I don't love. I'll tell you what. They're both explosive players, aren't they one tested like I'm explosive about? Yeah? How about that film though shade? Whoa mister, mister there aren't any good football programs in the Big twelve. How about the guy that set a school record in the SEC? How about the guy literally he was the best back in the SEC this year and that's a

league that has been pumping out. Isn't that saying much? Though? Not that Nick was starting in the SEC. It's you don't throw shade at my friend. Okay. First of all. Second of all, you look at it, look at the backs that have come out of the SEC in recent years, and I mean, yeah, the talent this year's little down. But this one how many he had fifteen hundred yards in the SEC West and I've got him back to back. I mean, I've here's the most complete back between the two.

If you're looking for more of a complete back, then yeah, Drayvill and Williams will give you that. Well, you're talking about one, doesn't you're looking for all I am because the other guy, the other guy who I I agree with you on Hill, But I see a guy that truly struggles as a pass protector. If you if that's what, if you're looking for a guy who's a better pass protector, complete guy, then sure I would understand Travillon Williams. I

get that totally. Yeah, But if we're just talking, you know, if we're not talking in a vacuum and it's just who would you rather have? I think I could do more with Justice Hill. I could put more points on the board. We think we probably would have to draft either one at ninety right, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I honestly I think that's right where they should be. Late third, early fourth. I said a week ago, ninety felt rich. But either one of these guys, yeah, I'd be fine.

I'd be happy with that there, ye happy he's happy. He might be a stretch, but I'd be fine satisfied. Yeah, Offensive tackle Alabama's Jonah Williams and Washington States Andre Dillard cream of the crop, two best tackles in this in this draft in my opinion, Yeah, that neither one of them are on the ground at all. No, Andre Dillard is just so special of an athlete. Give me the give me the aflete dealer be the first tackle taken easily. Yeah, because he's He's got the best feat out of all

of them. So yeah, there's no no question he could. But I think the what I saw the senior Bowl of the anchor issues gives me a little bit of pause with him. Sure, Jonah, when I saw a national title game against Clemson, he can struggle for got him a little bit. Jonah Williams, to me, is the top five player in this draft. Give me Joe Williams. Yeah, he's not wrong, He's not wrong. He's just he's a technically sound player. He's instinctive. He masks his lack of

length the same way Joe Thomas did ye first. So long with the Browns. I'm taking Joe Williams at worst. I've got an outstanding guard I think you can play tackle in the league. I would not usitate to draft him top five, top six in this draft. Do you think he can play tackle? Yes, I do. I think you played tackle, But like you don't know though, Like you just said, worst case scenario, you might play guard. Well, okay, that's worst case scenario. Yeah. I mean that's like say

Jonathan worst case scenario, Jonathan Abram, worst case scenario. He can be an outstanding special teams player. I think that's a terrible that's a guy you're taking in the rust case, worst case, But I think he can be more than one day. You're gonna walk away from this and just be so happy, aren't you. No, I mean I don't have a crystal ball. I'm just giving you bestkas worst kids. Are they really close though? Are the two really close? You think? Yeah? Both? Okay, you can see Dillard going

in the top ten, couldn't you? Why not? Yeah? And that's what I was thinking too. If you're gonna say, I mean, all right, Joey Williams is four, Andre Dillard's nine on my board. I didn't see that guy from UCLA going to the top ten last year. Yeah, I'm just he shouldn't have gone where he did. And I hate to make this comparison. It's unfair to anybody, but like I've spent too much time watching Tyrant Smith. So if you can, and I'm not I'm not trying to

make that comparison. But the athleticism, like, if you can, if you're a freaky athlete at that position, I'm very intrigued. You have to be strong too. And that's where Andre Dillard just worries me a little bit because again, we saw the senior ball get rocked by but did you watch Williams gets rocked in the Clemson game. He does he struggles with when long guys gett to his chest,

he can struggle a little bit. Question. All right, boys, Hey, thank you so much again, Thank you for everybody who's hanging out with us today. Again, fourteen more days until we get into the NFL Draft. So we've got several shows still planned for you guys. We've got one again next Thursday, and then we're gonna do two shows draft week. One on Tuesday, we'll do a full mock draft and then we'll then we'll kind of have a little bit

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