Draft Show: Reviewing Dane's Big Board

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So we're really excited about that. So come Draft Day and maybe some draft shows next week and the following week, we'll be able to kind of show you some new angles and everything once again on Brian brought us, joined by Dane Brugler David Hellman. Boys, It's nice to be back with you sorry I missed you on Monday. Get a good excuse, not a good excus ago. Yeah, it's in a tradition unlike any other. Right, I was trying to.

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Brugler put out his top one hundred today. Well, it's been sorry, it's been it's been a few days, right, debuting the guide. Yeah, when we went with the guide, and I want to get into some of the players though. And you know, it's funny that we've talked about a lot of names and but but now you have to start thinking about, Okay, where do I have these guys, where are they ranked, where are they on my board? Where would I take them? You know, and that kind

of thing. And you know, I find it very interesting, and I think a lot of people feel this way about their top fifty one hundred. I think a lot of people feel that about the way you do about Quinton Nelson and the way Quenton Nelson being at number one that to me, I it's so it's so unusual that you get a guard as your top rank player. I mean there's some there's some quality guys at the top up of this board. I mean all the quarterbacks, say what you want, but there's some quality, quality guys

on this board. But a guard is the number one guy. Quintin Nelson is a better guard than any other player is at his position in this draft. And so that's not saying that Quentin Nelson should go number one overall, but for me, he is the best football player in this draft. And so that's why he's number one, and My top four has not changed throughout this process. Quenton Nelson won, makea Fitzpatrick two, Bradley Chubb three, and say Quon Barkley four. One, two three four has not changed

for me at all. Those are the top four players in this draft in my eyes. Dave he mentioned we talked about Nelson going one, Fitzpatrick two, the forgotten man. It has been a little bit of a forgotten man. It's just it's you get bored of saying the same stuff. I think, I really think that's what it comes down to. And he's he's the best dB in this class. He has been since December, I mean really since the season stuff football season started, but people get tired of talking

about it. I mean kind of Quintin Nelson, I'm kind of you talk about him in terms of how far is he gonna fall be the position that he plays. But yeah, I mean Dane said he was the best guy in this draft on Show one, and here we are on Show thirty whatever or wherever we're at right, not much has changed, so um and I think with Minka's Patrick, yeah, it's I think it's people they don't know where to play him or you know, like they

get they overthink it a little too little. Jalen Ramsey ask right, well and Jalen who you know, we thought he might be best at safety. He played corner his last year in Tallahassee, but with Minka he was best than the nickel where he was that hybrid safety nickel defender. But we've seen him. He can play outside of the corner. He's outstanding blitzer. We know he could put. You can play him across the secondary anywhere you want. He's going to hurt you. So I don't know. Some people will

say that he's a jack of all trades, master of none. Right, he's a jack of all trades, master of all trades. Right, he can do it all, which, yeah, to your point overthinking it, Just draft him, figure it out later, like the rest of your secondary based on what you need whatever. So somebody's sitting there, like we talked about the teams, like the team's sitting at nine, ten eleven. You know, possibility there for him and maybe the value of that

player to go to. It's like it's like you're saying, you know you're getting a top two player at ten eleven. Maybe you could well Dane. Yeah, Dane's top two guys, I mean the and not that this is always right, but like the group think is saying Quenton Nelson doesn't, I mean six is the is the earliest he goes. And Minka you see him in the seven to twelve range two like, and I'll be interested to see if

the actual league does it the same way. A great example is just last year, I mean Corey Davis and Mike Williams, like, I mean, they nobody had them going as high as they did, not that I remember at least, so uh, you know, Dane Dane pegged Minka to the Browns at four a long time ago. I'll be interested to see if that hold, you know, if that happens, or does he fall the way the media thinks he will.

I don't know. In my latest mock, I had or the Bills trading up the two with the Giants, and so the Giants trading back to twelve, getting Minca Fitzpatrick at twelve. Nice. And I mean, if you're the Giants, you had the number two pick and you get the number two player on my board at number twelve, that works out planning Collins and in Collins and those guys playing the two Alabama guys playing. But okay, why has he been a forgotten man? Though? Why why is he?

But I mean we talked, we talk about trade. Go get me, Sroquan Smith, go get me Derwin James. Should he be a guy that if he falls to that range in twelve or you know, if you're the Cowboys, are you interested in going to Buffalo and trying to I mean, I know they have the twelve pick. I gave them as an example, maybe Miami at eleven, which I mean is now is it worth it? Should he should he be in the consideration instead of maybe even

Derwin James. I think he absolutely should. But again it goes back to he's kind of the forgotten man in the sense that at least I'm speaking only for me, but I just assume he'll be gone. I would be surprised if he's there, Like a guy's got to get past eight nine for me to start thinking about trading. And I can't imagine him getting past eight nine. That

would be crazy to me. Yeah, Is he the slider that on Thursday night that we're all gonna be kind of looking at each other like somebody's gonna go here, somebody? I reserve the right to be wrong, but I oh, no, that we're just we're just talking. I think we think of him as a potential slider, and I think the league is like, no, no, he's gonna he's gonna get picked at you know, we didn't think Millie Cooker was

gonna slide lash. Ye. No, that's what I'm saying. Though I would stay as Minka have the red, the injury history, no to drive him down. But I think the thing with Minka is just the position value. And you know, teams are split. Some teams believe he can do it all, some teams think he's a nickel only guy, and so it just depends on who's picking where and what their opinion is of the player in terms of his fit

and his best position at the Unfell level. Yeah, I'm kind of I'm torn a little bit because I don't know if I would trade up, but I like where you have him. But I don't think he's one of my top three guys. But I just I wonder, I wonder if you think he's a top ten guys. I have no, absolutely absolutely a top ten guy. But the thing that the thing that I'm kind of that I'm I'm anxious to see is once those quarterbacks go Okay, Barkley Nelson is he the third could James? I mean,

could James be the third guy? And then Mika Fitzpatrick is the fourth guy? You know, as as far as you start looking down the order of what if all those quarterbacks go early? And that's the point. Yeah, that's what this draft. If you're if you have your quarterback right now, if you're the Colts at six, sure shrubs another guy. You got to mention there too. These quarterbacks are gonna push these good players down into the later

portion of the top ten into the teams. So a lot of these teams that have their quarterback already, they're sitting pretty Look at the Browns, they're gonna get their

quarterback at one. Then either at number if we think quarterbacks one, two, three, right, the Giants stay at two where they trade out, so there's a good chance a quarterback, or the Browns get their quarterback number one and they get the top non quarterback in this draft at number four, or if they want, they could trade down, stay with Buffalo and get the picks twelve and twenty two and

still a pick number twelve. They're getting a good player, because all these quarterbacks are going early, pushing better for good position players farther in the draft. Another reason why I'd be down to trade back again if I were

the Indianapolis Colts. I mean, say you trade back to twelve, wherever trade fifteen with the Cardinals, you're still I mean in a scenario like that, you imagine all five quarterbacks go in the top ten or so, and so you're really looking at the top six or seven non quarterback draft picks as opposed to you know, fifteen. And why I mentioned the Browns is because I think Denver is sitting there at five, and yeah, that's who you have to worry about if you're if you want to get that. Okay,

let's just hypothetical. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield one, two, three, Josh Allen's still out there, Lamar Jackson's still out there. If you like one of those two quarterbacks clearly over the other, right, you need to go up in front of Denver and make sure you get them right. And so Buffalo Arizona, you know, we've talked about the quarterback needy teams get up in front of Denver, and that's

where Cleveland at number four. They're sitting pretty. They can hold out for the best possible offer, sit tight and take a good player like Bradley Chubb, or trade back and if Day trade back with Buffalo and get twelve and twenty two, you get Harold Landry at twelve and then Mike McGlinchey at twenty two, all of a sudden, US just solve two needs instead of taking the player

of number four. Okay, this is where this is now where I'm interested because you mentioned and this is a scenario that Dave and I did on the clock yesterday. We were talking about mcclinchay the tackle, and I wanted to run it by you and we'll get through. You have Mike mcclinchey, the tackle from Notre Dame at twenty eighth, the twenty eighth best player in your top to top tackle,

top tackle in the draft. Okay, is this is situation where if the quarterbacks are all gone that some team like New England now who owns that owns twenty three? Is Dallas going to be If mcglinchy And by the way, he's a thirty visit here for the calcality visit, So there's a consideration there and he's number twenty eight on your board. Is this a spot that where Mcglinchay McGlinchey being the best tackle could be a trade up piece from somebody in the back of the draft. Oh yeah, definitely.

We've talked about this offensive line group, how they're all gonna get overdrafted except for Quentin Nelson, we'll get underdrafted, right, But everyone else, all these other offensive linemen, the guards the task, especially the tackles. Connor Williams, I mean, Colton Miller is going to be overdrafted because if you don't get your tackle earlier and left without a chair. So yeah, I think that. So we're gonna see these teams jocking for position for tacks. Yeah, it might not be. Yeah,

that might be with the tackles where it starts. Well, maybe what we really need is for like this LA Chargers to draft McGlinchey. Yeah, really put a panic into some of these teams that need to tackle. Maybe you trade up and do something stupid for Connor Williams. They went two offensive linemen last year, you know, yeah in your and Seattle ahead of you two. How much would yeah, how much would that freak everybody? Out in the back half. If the if McGlinchey goes off the board at like

seventeen eighteen and then the Cowboys are whole. I'm holding out like New England's got all those now those twos, and you talk to people about New England, they think they think that they're gonna just keep trading back and picking up more picks. If they might not pick in the first round, they're not gonna pick with those four picks in the top two rounds. Yeah, they're not gonna pick at those four spots. I mean they're gonna move around. They can move up, they can move back. They might

do both very easily. So there's a lot of rumors about do they get a quarterback in this draft? Ye? Will they have a chance at one of those quarterback I'm hearing whispers about Lamar Jackson there and will they be in striking distance for Lamar Jackson. It was Lamar ja gonna go in the top ten, but Lamar Jackson is there a chance? So he ends up at nineteen. I mean that you always talk about your quarterback, Hope. I started off talking about your one hundred. Now I'm

interested in trading around. Talk here. That's all you ever want to talk. I love I kind of like the positioning of the draft. I love that, and that goes back to see but that's what I'm seeing Lamar Jackson. It's na like Minka though, like we we think one thing. Personally, I can't. I think it's silly if Lamar Jackson goes past fifteen at the latest. But I'm gonna give you a team. I'm gonna give you a team New Orleans at twenty seven. Who would New Orleans trade up for

at nineteen? Who would you think that New Orleans could potentially trade up for at nite teen? I could see him doing that for Lamar, I could see. I know, I know they worked out Connor Williams. Now we were there at the Austin Dane pointed out a show or two ago, they have Tron Armstead and Ryan Ramshick, but they could use another tackle Tron Armstead's instead. Some teams view him as a guard on board. Yeah, and they worked him at a center right. That was yeah, position flex.

I mean they're dumb. I know Sean Payton's in love with Taysom Hill, but they I mean, they got to start thinking about the Drew the post Drew Breese era, Like that wouldn't shock me. New Orleans is do you think New Orleans is more quarterback heavy than anything? Well, we know last year they wanted to draft Patrick Mahomes at number eleven. Yeah, that they were ready to turn in that card until the Kansas City Chiefs leap frog

them at number ten to take him. And like we we've talked about, it worked out okay for the Saints. They got Marshawn Lattimore at eleven, but they're still looking for that quarterback of the future. I'm interested now as I look to your list for cowboy possibilities. Vanderish at twenty six player in the draft, Oh, he'll be all right. Vita Bay at twenty seven. I think that's lower than a lot of people have them. Yeah, not a lot of third not really in love with him, are you no?

Because I don't. He's not a pass rusher. Yeah, I mean you can. We can talk about the traits all we want, sure, but if it's not it doesn't equal pass production, right, then you're not valued as a top twenty five player. For me, Dane doesn't want his linebackers to thrive. That's basically what he's saying he doesn't one his linebackers to thirty, I can find nose tackles. I can give me the Adrin Sana in the third round. When did Rod Marinelli come on our set? Yeah? What happened?

Let me ask you this though, Calvin Ridley at eleven, DJ Moore at fourteen, you like that one? I love that. Hey, let's let's talk about that for a second. All right. As I was mapping this out, we followed, Oh no, he he kept him. He kept them near each other. There's no question followed. We followed the DJ more roller coaster. But let me just say this will quick up the hill. Yeah, between him, he's got Marcus Davenport at twelve and Harold

Landry at thirteen. Again, okay, Ridley a visit at eleven, Landry a visit at thirteen, DJ Moore a visit at fourteen, James Daniels at the Guard Center, guard from Iowa at seventeen a visit. Yep, he's got some guys who play, and that well, that's what I keeps. I mean, obviously, every team you want to cover all aspects of the draft, you got some Day three guys in here. You got some gay two guys in here. You got some red flag type of guys, so you can get another look

at him. But the vast majority of the guys the Cowboys have brought in are there. It's their options at nineteen, like that's what they want to do the most homework on which to go, which is the point I was going to bring up. The rest of that stuff doesn't surprise me, but you think back to the combine, I purposely was like, let's shut up about DJ Moore. They're not going to draft him. We need to calm down. We're working people into a frenzy for no reason. I

don't know. Man, Dane's got him at fourteen. They brought him in on They're not getting him at fifty. They know that. Oh you're you're liking the fact he's got him at the top. They're not getting him at fifty. But he's here anyway, So what does that say. It's funny because I mapped out my top one hundred and I'm looking at it, I'm like, all right, DJ Moore, I had him at like twenty. I was like that's

not high enough. Like okay, I needed like I'm gonna I'm gonna start at Calvin Ridley at eleven and then okay, where would I Okay, where do I want? Dj Moore? Okay, Marcus Davenport Okay, Harold Andrey Okay, you know Dj Moore right there? Yeah, fourteen that that works. For the last two months, I'm just like, I need to shut off about DJ Moore because they're not going to draft him, but they know he's gonna be a first round pick. Yeah,

and they brought him in anyway. Yeah, so I mean they're at least interested enough to kick the tires we saw ahead. Well, we've talked about the top thirty visits and how important they are, and you know, last year we felt pretty good corner or defensive end in the first round. We felt pretty good about that. This year there could be ten names. Yeah, you know, I mean there's Oh, it's gonna be a fun a Thursday night. Oh yeah. We're three weeks out right now, exactly. Yeah,

we're not. And I don't think in the next three weeks we're gonna narrow it down anymore. Like I don't think we're gonna be able to eliminate a position that they're not going to draft in the first they did, they throw you a curveball by bringing James Daniels in here from Iowa the Center. No, No, because he has guard experience, and I think that that's really where if they draft him, he's gonna be your guard. You're gonna plug him in there. He's athletic enough, he's powerful enough.

I agree. I mean, and maybe I just maybe hindsight's twenty twenty because I know how the other drafts played out. But in the time I've been doing this with y'all, this is as wide open as it's ever feels more wide open at nineteen than it did at twenty eight to be totally on. Yeah, all right, Well we're gonna take up We're gonna take our first break for the Draft Show presented by mill Or Lte. When we come back, we're gonna do a little Twitter on the twenty so

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great things happening here on The Draft Show. And one of my great things I like about the Draft Show is a little I don't have headphones today, the go ahead? All right, Um, well, hey, we just we've finished the first segment by talking about Ridley and DJ Moore. Uh you know, we talk about what range guys are gonna go and where they're where they're gonna go, whether or not they're gonna be there. So Caleb wants to know,

assuming they don't. Oh, and he pointed out, we all mocked a receiver at fifty in our seven round mock anywhere, guy from Memphis, you feel good about that one day? So thirty six overall player, who do you think they're at fifty? Wide receiver if they don't take one at nineteen, just ballpark it for me. If wide receiver is gonna be your pick at fifty, who's there? You know? I was more going on a three round locks draft right now. Actually, and I get to Dallas's pick, and let's see the

tom receivers available. James Washington, Yeah, I do have Anthony Miller there, so yeah, he was at Washington was a thirty visit though too. Washington Miller? Yes. What about Saint Brown? I think Saint Brown's there too, and think fifty as well. I have him rated higher than Washington and some of these other guys, but I don't He's a wild card really. I mean same thing with Sutton. Both these guys are more stential picks. They could be off the board both

in the early second. How about Gallup? I know some people, I mean, Gallup is a guy I'm a little bit higher on him than you guys. Miller was a guy I went ahead and mocked to the Cowboys at fifty. So yeah, it'll be interesting to see there might be a run because you really don't know. There might be that run in the back end of the draft that kind of starts it. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna start at the top of it. No, I think it's gonna come on the best. Yeah. Yeah, we're funny with

two guys. Wide receiver is always the toughest to predict where they're gonna go. Yeah, I do. And I love the question by Cale. It's a really great observation. I didn't even notice that we all took a guy at fifty, right, Um, who are the different names we had? Miller, Miller, We we both took Miller, Nick Eatman took Washington. Yeah, I don't remember who wrong. Yeah, and those two would be I think the most likely names at that point. But

I got the point. I'm gonna you know, as much as we talk, and we talked about Ridley and more too much, probably, but like, there'll be some good receivers

there at fifth. Oh no, And see that's why. And I guess Kirk might be the Christian Kerry yeah, I gotta I gotta a tweet from somebody said, hey, that Bill Polian thought this wasn't a deep draft for receivers, And you know, everybody looks at these things differently, and I kind of feel like, yeah, maybe it's not the top of the board, but down as you go through. I mean we name, like I say, the guys. I

mean I didn't even mentioned Pettis. Yeah, is a guy that I like, you know, Pettis Sudden uh Smith from Central Floor. I mean there's some quality names. It's not deep in the sense that there's a lot of high end talent, but like you can get really good value. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I I have no problem with those guys like Miller, Kirk Washington. I don't think exactly, no problem, no problem with those guys. He might go first round.

I said that while ago. I laughed at you the first time you said it, and now I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I got a new drum to beat. I beat the DJ Moore drum until the skin fell off, So I got a new one that I'm trying to start this train going, which is uh JF, says Harold Landry. There for you at nineteen, is it really and that the thing is the thing that's stopping me is I don't

think it's realistic. Well again, another thirty visit guy. And that's that's what really set me on because but they visited also TJA guy. The fact that they're interested to enough to take a look is all I need to really be intrigued, because again, you look at the value, You're like, well, do you want like the third or fourth best linebacker, a guy who's not gonna play one hundred percent of the snaps or a dude who can come in and get some work done as a pass

rusher right away. I mean that's very especially you talk about the Marcus Lawrence is on a one year deal, Tyron Crawford. I mean, I don't know what the future holds for him, but you could probably get out of that contract in the near future if you wanted to. It's some position we're taking a look at. Thirteenth best player according to Dane Burglar on his top one hundred. Not only that, but the second best pass rusher, probably third behind Davenport. You have got Davenport and Lander back

to back. But yeah, twelve thirteen, Yeah, those guys don't hang around typically, right, So that's if he might not even be there at night, which is it realistic? That's the question I have for you. Yeah, good chance, Green Bay at fourteen. Yeah, I would worry about them. I mean, everyone needs pass rush help, so it wouldn't be a surprise to see him off the board at that point. It just it kind of I don't know. If t J. Watt wasn't a fit last year, how is Harold Landre

a fit? Maybe I get because ye t J. Wat didn't put his hand on the ground on film, but he's bigger than Harold Landry is, and I don't think it was that much projection just to put it, you know, because the guy's got his hand on the right exactly where Harold Landry's. He's small. He's six two, two hundred and fifty pounds, right, you know, he's smaller. He's the

one that really ideally would be standing up. You know, if we're talking about that type of fit, he's he's cut from the same cloth as Vic Beasley, that type of pass rusher. I love him. I think he's an outstanding pass rusher. I just it's hard to figure out these guys with well we criticize the coaches all the time for being stubborn, maybe watching t J. Watt rack up six sacks as a rookie, you changed their minds about what a guy like that, Mike get to a

point two where all of a sudden, you're right. They see that, and then they then they go, wait a minute, now, let's take the coaches out of this football and not only that, which the big counterpoint to Harold Landry t J. Watt argument is that Harold Landry is awfully similar to DeMarcus Lawrence's draft weight and size, and we've seen what he's done. Yeah, so that's if you tell me I can get him at nineteen. I'm all in. I'm so all in it's not even funny. But I just I

you're all in. If if I have a hard time believing he's there, who who would you who would give you pause? Who would give you pause on the board at nineteen? If it was Landry and somebody else? I know how much you like DJ Moore one either one of the wide receivers. I think that's a conversation worth having. But I think no, give you pause, that you would say, oh wait a minute, wait, you got me where I wouldn't take Landry over this guy. There is there an

interior defensive lineman you would take over Landry. Yeah, I'm saying Vida Vella lineback. Would it would have to be to get I honestly think, for the value of the position and what I think he might be able to do, Landry might be my most intriguing realistic option. I mean, Derwin James and Roquan Smith su No, but I was thinking of somebody else and his question was really good about that. There's nobody that would move you off Landry?

Then not realistically, I don't think, because again, I mean, you're talking about one of the two or three most valuable positions in the game. Okay, Ridley would move you off Landry, wouldn't he? Uh? Probably? Yeah, see, but you've been on, You've been on. Really we literally just said about all the receivers, you could get it fifty though. No I know. But but but this is the Cowboys. He's saying, the Cowboys haven't made a change of receiver in five years. Yeah, what they do They went out

and change receivers. It's about time they brought some more. So I was just feeling like, Okay, his love for Ridley might not be as strong as it was a

month ago. Well, yeah, as it pertains to this team, you know, like, for example, I'm a lot more I'm a lot more open to a guard at nineteen than I was before because I don't think they really addressed that position to a you know, an extent where I feel comfortable, right, Marcus Martin's a nice player, right, But I'm a lot more open to a guard at nineteen just because I don't think they went out and got a caliber of a guard that that's I would have done.

That's a very good fair. That's really good. There were Mike McGlinchey that see now McGlinchey again, we come back to him full circle. If he plays right tackle, is there as in the whole kicking while Collins inside? That's if they or do you have your backup if something happens to Tyrnn Smith with Fleming and those guys, you could just plug Fleming in or let Fleming work at left tackle the whole training camp. If they were to draft let I mean, let's even say they like Connor

Williams more than mc dallasday guy to more. But if they were to draft to tackle at nineteen. I have to assume that means that Lyle is going to play guard this year. Yeah, absolutely, so, Yeah, the only the only reason you draft tackle that early. And you know, Connor Williams, you know we've we talked about can play different positions. Mike McGlinchey, I think you could play him a guard, but you're playing him a tackle. If you're drafting in the first round, it's to be a tackle. Yeah,

and is it? He has right tackle experience experience. Let's let's use this as a segue because we talked about interior defensive lineman. Just a minute there, Heath says, And this is something else you got to think about. Is dron paying more of a one or three? That's part one of Heath's question. Part two is have we heard about Maurice Hurst's heart? And part three of that question is,

assuming everything's good there, who do you like more between them? Okay, I've gone back and talk to some more teams about Hearst, and I need to I need to find out about this team investigating educate. Yeah, would you find out? I found out that he's off a lot of boards. So that's a scary thing. Man, even even if the Michigan doctors cleared him. Yeah, that went about that. I talked to several teams. I said, what's the story now on hearst and they go, we're not going to have him

on the board. So again, that's that's not the Dallas Cowboys. You know, we all know people in the league, and I had several people tell me throughout that hey, that that we're going to have him completely off and that's not knocking him down to the second third round, that's completely halfing him off the board. That is yeah, well that's completely off the board. You know that. That's other teams. Again, I need to find out what Alice is going to do.

Character concerns or like bone on bone might push you down the board, right talking about somebody key, you're talking about somebody's heart. That's like yeah, absolutely, all it takes is one one team, you know, to believe and sure the doctors say, you know what, he'll be fine. Oh we went through this with Jalen Smith again, it was it was something he'll never play again. Yeah, he'll never play again. But again, it's the heart. It's the heart, and that's the thing. But I went back and asked

several teams. I said, where you got Hurst now after all this, and they said off the board. Well, and back to your original question about drawn Payne. I think he's he's more of a one. But you do see the three technique? You do? You do? You're right, he has the athleticism. I mean, just look at his combine stats, the testing that he had, so he does have the athleticism to do it. I wish we saw it more than just the two playoff games on tape, but we

know that he can at least do it. If Maurice Hurst is healthy, He's the top defense tackle in this draft, no doubt. It's an under tackle, right. Your three technique you got in get up field, but there's the heart conditioning that you just can't ignore. You think, maybe scheme and whatever else and the amount of talent Alabama's got going there, like maybe they just played pain at the one more because they needed to. Stephen White. I don't

know if y'all are familiar with his work. Tennessee defensive lineman played in the pros Rights for sp Nation. He did a film breakdown where he was like, this guy should be playing three. I don't care what Alabama they played that three four, and so I mean it's kind of a projection. Maybe he fits better at four three

three and he just never got to do it. And that's fair because we we've talked about this over the years with you know, all the Ashaan Robinson, all the different Alabama players up front, what they're asked to do, you know, whether it's just contain occupy blocks, you know, free up room, opened up passing lanes for the linebackers. Same thing with the Shawan hand the other Alabama lineman in this draft. Who I think he's gonna be a

fantastic three technique in the NFL. You just didn't get a chance to show it a lot and on Alabama's defensive line. And so yeah, I do think that factors into the equation because drawn Payne is that the traits are there, the testing numbers are there, the potentials there. It's just it's not always there on tape. And so that's that's part of the factors you have to consider. Here's a there's a question for you, Brian, which I read a report yesterday about how somebody said the Bengals

are going to draft Art and Key. I thought you'd like that, but well, so, uh, Bengals. Tyler was listening to us yesterday on the break talking about how we wouldn't touch Art and Key at fit, which I stand by that sure, But Tyler wants to know where do you consider him, like if he starts to really plummet down the board at when do you feel comfortable drafting Art and Key knowing everything you know about him? Yeah? I think it's I think that if I as I look at my draft picks that I have where I

need to be. I I kind of think like eighty one might be where I start thinking about it. But I've I've grown up, feels too. I've grown up in a system, you know, in Green Bay, and I'm trying to be back in the day guy. But it's my experience. The fourth round was always the medical round yep. Medical or criminal yep. Those were the rounds. So I've got I've got Selection one sixteen, and I got Selection one thirty seven. I don't think Art and Key is there

at six, one sixteen or one thirty seven. I don't think he is either. I just don't. And that's why I brought up eighteen. Now, how much are you willing? I just in my head, I can't. I keep hearing Randy Gregory tell Jason Garrett on the draft night, don't worry about me, coach, don't worry about me, And I kind of feel like that arden Key, I can't trust him. I can't trust arden Key, certainly not. But where would I start thinking about him if I was a team.

I think you'd have to start thinking about at eighty one, because again at one sixteen, at one thirty seven, I don't think he's there. I subscribe to Dane's philosophy that your first three picks should be starting, and I'm not using a pick that could go towards a starter on that. I just I can't. I know he probably won't be there one sixteen, but that's where I get comfortable drafting.

I struggled with him where to put him in my top one hundred, you know, I really struggled where I would feel comfortable, and I ended up putting him at sixty eight. Yeah, And I don't feel great about Yeah, because it's a guy that flashes a lot. But like you said, it is hard to trust him. Um with just off the field as he love football, is he gonna push himself to reach that potential? If you can harness that ability. It's gonna work out, But there's a

lot of ifs in there, and I don't know. At sixty eight, that's start that that begins the range where I would feel comfortable taking a look at him. Yeah, that's that's the Yeah, that's a tough one because all of a sudden it's gonna come down to he could be,

he could be, he could be a tremendous player. Or again we've compared him to which well, Randy Gregor, well this is and it's not as serious as a heart condition, but it's the same thing we always see, like some teams are just gonna have him not even there at all, like us, by bye, Randy Gregory tested a lot better than arden Key. Factual arden Key was with high four eights and yeah, yeah, he yes, ardon Key. Yeah, we were talking about that four eight five yesterday, So we

got to take a break. But real, this only needs to be a one sentence answer. I just want to see how y'all feel. Okay, Bobby Belt, friend of our friend of the show, wants he wants us to handicap pick number nineteen. He says, Layton vander esh Rashaan Evans or the field today. What's you're taken? M hmm, good question. Oh I think I talked about how white it is. I'm did you mock Vanderish to the Cowboys? Uh? Yeah, I did? Okay, he's odds on favor. I'm gonna keep

riding that horse. That horse is gonna take this reverse psychologist, take me all the way to Belmont. I just have a feeling about Rashaan Evans. I mocked him in Our Metal. A lot of other people are kind of circling that wagon too. I just is a guy. I'll take the field, then all. I'll take the field because I think there's a lot of other names that there are. I mean, there's a boatload of names. But I just if nothing crazy happens, meaning trades or guys plummeting down the board,

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Show presented by Miller light Boy. Feels good to say that from the Academy Sports and Outdoors studio here at the at the Star Um. I do want to get in. I want to ask I'm always intrigued by your list again, your top one hundred. I want to ask you about a couple of corners because you have you have Ward, you have Ward Denzel Ward cornerback. Ohio State's number five overall overall overall, And I'm looking down the list here and I don't see another cornerback until sixteen with Jarry

Alexander from Louisville. Yeah, that's pretty high praise for that kid. Yeah. I think he's a good player. I mean he's I see a lot of Joe Hayden in him. Not the biggest guy, but physical, he's tough, he's smart. He's a former wide receiver, so you know he has ball skills. There's a lot to like about there. The biggest worry with Gyre Alexander is the fact that he missed almost half of his junior year, the twenty seventeen season, with

a knee injury. So but as long as the medicals check out, sign me up for Gyr Alexander at some point in the first round. I feel good about that. So you have him higher than Mike Hughes though I do, okay, Mike Cue, but Mike Us is an ex Yeah, you know, I think gire Alexander. I think he can press, I think can play off. Mike Ues to me is a better press corner right than off and so you know that ding him a little bit. He's another guy that's not the biggest guy, uh five ten, four or five athlete,

but he adds returned value. Mike Us also has some off field stuff. Um, I like Mike Us, but just later on the first Let this goes back to the first segment. Get all three of them, Let's get them all off the board. Let's get Mike mcglinchee in there. Let's get all three corners. Maybe throw Darius guys, maybe somebody falls in love. And yeah, this is interesting too.

Is on the way he did this and I don't I want to know your method of your madness here and again I want to get to some tell me more here, but yet Isaiah Win at nineteen, Will Hernandez at twenty, Yeah, okay, you This has not ever been separated, has it. No, they're one is there? They're not both nineteen one, nineteen okay, okay, but you did it this way. Let me flip it this way now. Guys at twenty one and Ronald Jones at twenty two. Yeah, the ones

at one. That's an interesting four game. Four players stretch right there like like, oh, I don't really know, kind of like Dane's like second, third, third, fourth, he's this figure, this is this is the Mike Mayock four A four b's fine? Whoa? Where do you see an A or a B in there? Twenty There separation there. There's there's not a separation bet twenty one and twenty two last

time I checked. So you take, you take win over Hernandez exactly and better wins a better player than Hernandez, and you would take and you would take guys ober jokes, I have them slightly ahead of Joes. Tags are touching. Oh no, those tags are really touching. But there is separation there. They are not on the same level. There is there, there's a difference. So trying to start, I gotta put this top fifty together myself. I'm not saying there's no fun doing that. Yeah, this is not fun

Dane draft. This is not Dane gives everybody a month to read his You put years out on like Thursday morning, ten hours before the draft. I don't put out the week of the draft. We should have made you do a top fifty in January. Yeah, how much you would have changed? He would uh your first tight ends at thirty four. Yeah, and some people think Hayden Hurst is the top guy I do. Yeah, and you're not alone. A lot of people in the league think that I

have n't I have him second, I haven't close. I haven't was a thirty eight or something four or oh Hayden Yeah, because Dallas guard at thirty four. Yeah, and have Hayden Hurst shortly after thirty nine. Yeah, there's not a huge separation. But I think both guys are worthy of consideration in late first round. See you what, maybe maybe the Patriots have got this right looking at your names like past, like near fifty. Yeah, maybe maybe you need a bunch of second round picks in this draft.

Oh sure, and we're gonna have some surprise first rounders, ye know that we always do. Or guys like Lorenzo Carter from Georgia who's gonna sneak in Colton Miller is gonna sneak in there. So it's gonna push good name Colton Miller. Again, I'm not a fan, right, I'm not a fan. He would be the one guy, and he was a thirty visit guy. They maybe know they know a lot more than May. Again, I mean thirty visits comprised the whole scope of the draft. It doesn't mean

they like him at nineteen, although they might. Yeah, it's where they have to get him if they want to draft him. Oh so that just I just that would be a throw the pin, A real throw the pen, not a fake throw the pen. That would be fake. Throw. The pin is when you just kind of drop it in front of you. The real throw is when it sticks in the wall across the game. The model whole true,

Cowboys hold true. Don't don't do this, don't do it, cowboys don't all right, David, let's get a little bit of tell me more, all right, Dane, Yeah, no, no, no, no no, no, no, actually no, this is not what you think. No. No, well, okay, First of all, the main way I put together today, I'm so happy when the beast comes out because every day when we do the show, I just open it. I look at your big list of prospects. I'm like, all right, what's a

name I don't recognize. We'll talk about him today. No, but what's what? What do you think is I don't know. Maybe Brian's most often repeated phrase of this draft cycle. Uh, I don't know what. It's something about, like, well, I don't know. There's a lot of good one techniques in this draft. But further down you go, right, well, here's the guy that we have not covered on this show that the Cowboys have appeared to show a little bit of interest in. So tell me a little bit about

Brylan speaks defend tackle the school in Mississippi. I'm not gonna call him that, gotcha? Gotcha the Rebels. Uh, he's a little bit of a tweeter kind of because he played inside, played outside for role miss six one two or eighty five pounds. He kind of took over for Robert Candici as their their three technique lining up over the b gap. Um, he's high cut, he's at he's a little stiff with the lower body. But I mean,

let me tell you, you you got him right. But he has some foot quickness, you know, so I think that's going to push him up a little bit. But he's got some there's some maturity issues there too. I don't know. I wasn't a huge fan. What grade did I give? I gave him something like a fourth I mean a day three grade. Yeah, I you were actually nicer to him than I was. When I kind of forgot when that he was going to come to visit, I was thinking,

what did I mess up with him? You know? I saw a guy watched him play against Alabama California, South Alabama, and then I just had to stop because I feel like he came off the ball high. Let's blockers get inside on him. He can close what he gets in space, You get him in space. Like you talk about the foot quickness and stuff like that. I saw a guy get washed a lot. You know what I mean when you say when you play high and all of a sudden, it's just like they're just taking that. He's kind of

light too well. Two eighty three Yeah, I had a two eighty five on him. I measure, But I think he has a problem is balanced. That's the thing I worried about. A lot of these guys will watch these inside guys, they don't get knocked now, Brian Tevin Bryant. Every once in a while just to try and beat somebody on quickness will get washed. Yeah, but this guy, it was constantly happening to the long legs. Yeah, I'm not.

I'm not. I'm gonna stay where I'm out on him if he's there, don't be surprised that the third day, like Dane saying, and we get the Dallas's pick there, uh at, So let me give you one. How about one, nine, two, sixth round? Where'd you put him in? Six? I put him. I put him in the six. I know you had more problems got him in the fourth. I put a four or five on him. I wouldn't take him at one thirty seven myself, Yeah, I wouldn't do it. But if he's he's a flash player too, yeah one seventy one,

you know something like that. But yeah, man that I had a hard time with him. And here you watch me who get picked and I have to eat all my words? Yeah, I've heard something. A lot of some Scots told me. Some practice habits have been questioned in the past. Oh, there we go. He was yet a duy. He was suspended for another game. So there's some sounds like he's right up your alley when you complains. Yeah, that's one of the reasons you bring a guy like

that in to figure out more about the person. Sure maturity and that girl sure trying to find some guards that I don't have to draft early. That's you know, like I want to bargain hunt. I know that's not smart. That's not smarting. I mean, you got there's so many dudes on this team already. You could move Lil Sure play Marcus Martin there. So I'm trying to bargain hunt.

And so in that Van Dane that rhymed tell me about Colby gossip from app State app State, Uh, the four year starter guy that wasn't highly recruited came in, uh, and he has the I think the traits that you want. Six five, three hundred ten pounds. See a powerful player, guy that flashes violence in his hands. He can create movement the point of attack. The thing with him is the hand placement is off a little consistency with his game. You watched him, Oh yeah, Oh, I thought I got

you on that one. No, this was one because you had to watch him because he was at the Senior Bowl. Yes, yeah, I don't even remember the Senior Bowl guy remember me? Yeah? I think the thing, the biggest thing he made was that about the hand placement always kind of fine. He felt like it was always that wind and I'm like, okay, you get if you don't put your hands in again, the guy's chest, he's gonna run you back. And he

could get away with it a little bit. But there's you see him app State will always play one or two of those money games, and you see him kind of have some problems with the power the hands. He's a guy that he has experienced at center, has experienced a tackle, so he has that little bit of versatility with a position flex. But no, I think you're right his and he's not a special athlete, the power guy, so his skill set leaves very little room for error.

So he needs to tighten up his technique if he's gonna stick in the NFL. Right, where do you have Cole Madison going or where do you have him playing? Uh? And as a guard? As a tackle? Washington State? But he's I think he's a guard. Did ye? I didn't mean to steal. I mean, okay, I'm m Cole Madison. I heard that, so maybe he's he's one of the he's my top guard when you get into day three. Uh, I think you know, we talk about the top three guards obviously, and then we have Braden Smith from Auburn,

the Nevada kid. Uh. And then when he gets past those top five, Cole Madison's my sixth guard. That that we started getting in the fourth round. A player started talking about really interesting backstory because he was like a wide receiver in high school. They Washington State brought him in as more of an athlete. He started in the wide receiver room when he got the pullman, but they bulked him up moving to tackle and he was a four year starter for them at right tackle. But that's

the only position he's ever played. And so if the projection moving him inside six five, three hundred and ten pounds, but I think he could do it. He's the type of developmental guard I'd be looking for at some point in the fourth round. Sorry, David, No, that was useful information, way more useful than me picking names out of the book.

Interesting that he's the top thirty visit here. Yeah, yeah, exactly, I thought too when I heard the name I'm like going, huh it kind of it was one of those Uh well, and if you look at him, I worked down a little bit. I think you have him absolutely right. I've said it. I've said it. He was a wide receiver in high school, wide receiver in tight end, and that's he was kind of recruited as kind of like an athlete, and so they brought him in and I think Washington

State was like his only FBS offer. So a little known guy. But the police yeah, you know, I mean, like I keep saying, obviously the majority of those guys are nineteen, but they're looking all through the spectrum. That's it. Yeah, I'm also I'm trying to bargain hunt for a safety. Dane helped me out and tell me a little bit more about Quinn Blanding at a UVA. Yeah, who has some tough tape. Yeah. Now, that's the thing if you're gonna if you're gonna draft a player based on resume,

he's a first round player. The productions there. I think he has more tackles than in that linebacker. How's all this? I liked Micah Kaiser's He's fine. I'm not talking about pick nineteen, but Okay, how does this guy put together this resume if he's so terrible. He's not terrible. He's just not very good in any one area. He is kind of okay. You know he's not saying I mean you you want to You're like, how does this guy do it? Yeah? And he started forty nine games he played.

The one thing I kept saying is this guy does not shy away from contact. No, he is not. And but all the coverage and stuff he does is all underneath. Yeah you never see him have to, but you know, he doesn't do anything where you're like going, they play a ton of zone. I mean all you do is see him yo, snap drop drive, snap drop drive, snap all the whole day. So, I mean I saw a guy where it takes him some time to turn. I'm worried about him as an athlete a little bit. He

is a stiff player. And look, you're not a bad player when you have one hundred and fifteen tackles, oh every season all four years. Yeah, that's no question. The guy could tackle, no question. I just don't see a great athlete. And I don't see a guy with sounds like a guy that the dudes on the other side of this building would love well, just in time. I mean he sounds like Jeff Heath. Oh, he looks like

a tape. I mean he's got lenked to him, but he just it takes him time to get going in and you just