Draft Show: Recapping the 2021 NFL Draft

we are live from inside the Star in Frisco. A little bit of technical difficulties to get us started today as we are not necessarily live and in person like we have been over the last couple of weeks, unfortunately, But well, we've got the same casting characters that we have seen all year long here on the Draft Show. Kyle Yeoman's alongside Brian brought us. We've got David Hellman coming in just a couple of moments in. Bucky Brooks

as well, should be here shortly. But Brian will start with you since well you're the only one here live and ready to go. But first off, what are your just general thoughts After having a couple of nights to look back on what was the twenty twenty one draft? No, it was, it was a very interesting draft. From overall, and I think what you do in your evaluating drafts is to see how teams address what they needed to accomplish.

And I think when the team that we cover the most is the Dallas Cowboys, and so when you when you look at what they were able to do, how were they able to fix their defense? And that's what I think they went out and did, not only addressing in the offseason, going to get a new defensive coordinator, but adding some key pieces, you know, Micah Parsons, Kelvin Joseph. Those are good starts to what I thought was a good draft for the Cowboys. As you go through the

entire draft, there were players that I was targeting. Did I really like that they were able to get So that was and good for them. So, Dave, I believe you are back on with us now. So Hellman, I asked, brought us this question a couple of moments ago. But what what was your general thought whenever he came to the twenty twenty one draft and specifically the Cowboys class. Yeah, I think I said it before we were done on

Saturday afternoons. I think this is the most boomer bust potential draft that I can remember covering, and what I mean by that is, you know, Micah Parsons is a super talented guy, but I think he's a raw prospect, a guy. You know, he opted out of twenty twenty. He's a young player. I don't want to say he's a guy without a position, but he's a guy that you've got to have a plan for how to use. You know, are you going to use him to rush

the passer? How good is he in coverage? If all he does is stop the run, which I get it, that's important, But if that's all he does, are you getting the most out of a number twelve overall pick or can you find ways to get him to the quarterback and affect the passing game? Kelvin Joseph fantastic player,

but we covered it during the draft. You know, not a bad guy, not a bad person, but somebody that that you know, left his first program and had problems at the other I think a guy that probably you would say maybe has maturity issues. So your first two picks right there, like the guys that you're counting on the most fantastically talented players, but you know, I think you better, you better have a plan for how to use them, and you better have a plan for how

to help them succeed. And then, obviously, as we all remember, Friday can't say they were bad picks yet, but surprising picks. I just think picks that you know, there were guys that we liked more on the board. The consensus is that maybe the Cowboys liked those guys a lot more than other people did. Again, doesn't mean they'll be bad players, but it does create some intrigue one, two, three years down the line when you see what those guys become.

So if the Cowboys hit on all this stuff, then they are gonna look really really smart, and if they don't, it's gonna look really really bad considering some of the other options that I think they had over the course of the draft. Brian, when I think Dave made a fantastic point. They're talking about kind of the early picks that are supposed to be the cornerstones of your draft class, those first, those second round picks, even sometimes into the third.

But I think with three third round picks you have a little bit of leeway there. However, I mean with Michael Parsons and with Kelvin Joseph, there are some question marks there are some concerns leading into who they are on the field, because on the field they might be top twenty talents. In the film might be top twenty worthy. But why is that such a big question mark over both of these picks and how do you balance that from a scout standpoint and entering the draft and then

post draft? Yeah, you know, when you especially when you're picking you know, high in the first round like they were with Parsons, Uh, you know, you just want the cleanest prospect. You don't want the guy that has any off the field concerns, you don't want medical concerns. You

just want the cleanest player and the best player. And you know that that's the thing that that's the thing that might be a little troubling uh to folks out there, is that when you start to hear, you know, about zoom meetings and lack of medical information and face to face meetings and things like that, you kind of wonder where where all the where all the t's crossed, and

where all the eyes dotted? Because you know, when you don't have thirty visits, when you don't have the opportunity to go have private workouts or sit to have dinner with these guys. You know, you can't really get to know these kids. And you know, Parsons and Joseph and those guys that you know, they had to your questions, Okay, why this, why that? Why did this happen? Why were you in this situation? And that's what this pandemic has brought.

It's brought a lot of holes to the drafting process, you know, and that's hard for scouts because what happens is we're a face to face group. We're a face to face sit across from a kid and ask him those tough questions and see how his reaction is. And you know, I don't know if you could always get that through the zoom meetings and things like that. So yeah, it's a little bit more of a deviation from what we've seen because during the Jason Garrett administration, you know,

we saw like, oh, the right kind of guide. I'm not saying that Parsons or Joseph could not be the right kind of guy, because Garrett and m they took some questionable guys too, but just not to the extent of what the Cowboys did in this past draft. Davis, this a direct reflection on a couple of things one, the change of the coaching staff like Brian just alluded to. Two COVID nineteen and maybe the lack of information on

these players or is it three? Just basically desperation to try and fix that defense with the kind of players with that edge, with that attitude coming in and being sold on those type of guys whenever the draft process finally came around. I think that's one of those things where it's like the beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Like if you're not a fan of what

they did, then you would probably call it desperation. If you are a fan of what they did, and for that, you know, for I think most of us, I don't want to speak for everybody, but I think a lot of us might have taken Rashaun s Later at twelve overall. But for everybody that isn't in love with the pick, there are a lot of people that absolutely love this pick.

And if you do, if you love what they did, then I think you would say determination, determination to fix the defense, right, I like, that's what we need to do. And I absolutely I believe them when they say that

Parsons was their highest graded defender. I still think they would have taken a cornerback above him, and I think that would have been smart, which and it's it's funny to think how how it all shakes out, So like you don't get your cornerback at ten, you take Parsons at twelve, and then you get Kelvin Joseph at forty four. I'm sure they had a really high grade on him. Was he their highest grade remaining or was he the best guy at the position that they needed the most?

Only they are the ones that know the answer to that, and that's I guess that's my point is are you desperate or are you just determined, like we've absolutely got to get better. And on some level I admire what they did because I think I was one of the ones saying the whole time leading into the draft, like, oh, you know, nobody just drafts all defense, like it always balances out at some point or another. And I know they drafted three offensive players, but the first six were

all defense. So probably not all those guys are going to work out, but even if half of them do, you've taken steps toward rebuilding that thing. So in light of that, I see their strategy and I can appreciate it like they're not gonna let this or they're gonna try not to let this defense handicap them again the way it did last year. Brian, Is it determination, is it desperation? What do you believe on that side of

the ball. I think they graded the players and picked the players how they saw Excuse me, I think they picked the players. How they graded the players, you know, and digging into what they did grade wise of the draft, they're the majority of their draft, especially on the defensive side of the ball, had a grade of a fourth round grade or better on their board. So as you start to get back in go further back in the draft, those are the things that you hope for when you

set up your board that you're taking players. Say you're taking players in the third round, that you might have a second round grade on, you're taking a player in the fourth round you have a third round grade on. So I my my, my gut feeling is that they were probably surprised that several of their players were on

their board at that time. The one that's interesting to me is the right pick, and you know, that was one of those where I'm I'm hearing that they had a third round grade on him going into the draft. If that's the case, well then they got the player where they put him on the board. So you know that that's all you can ask. You know, time will tell whether they're right or whether guys like myself, the Days of the World, David Hellman's Katie, you know, Jeff Kavanaugh,

guys would study this. You know, we could be really wrong about that too. So I feel like, though, is it's just kind of digging in a little bit. They they were taking players around or so higher than what was on their board, and you know that that'll be the that'll be the tail of the tape for him here in the next three four years, which I really appreciated.

Oh sorry, just to go off of that, I appreciated Jerry Jones's honesty on Saturday Night, he kind of he acknowledged that of saying like, yeah, you know, I saw you know, people saying we reached on right, but then Jabril Cox fell to us in the fourth round, and I guess his ideas that it all kind of averages out and to some degree as long as as long as you're not completely lying about your grades, which they were not, Like, you know, I think they had a

cluster of similar grades, and you sit there and you think, like, you know, all of us draft geeks want you to be as true to the board as possible. But if you draft Micah Parsons twelfth overall, you really, you know, take a big swing at the linebacker position, and then you're sitting there with a cluster of picks on Day two. As long as you like the grades on those guys I get. Waiting on Jabril Cox, you know, you're like, Okay, well, we've got a starting caliber linebacker in the bag already.

Let's beef up this line. Let's take this cornerback that we really feel strongly about, and then Cox falls to them, and it all works out to where they get. I think Jerry Jones said they got four of the six guys that they've really, you know, had their eyes on during that run of picks, which I can't argue with that. And like I said, as long as they're not fudging their grades, which I don't think they were, it just so happens. And it's not I don't think they were.

I know they weren't. Um it just so happens that they feel a lot more strongly about some of these guys than a lot of other people do. And that's what's gonna make it fun is getting to find out who was right, well, what they what What you don't need to find out is where they jump in tags, you know. And yeah, old old crusties like me, you know,

I believe. And you set your board, you stack your board to how you would take those players, and you know, maybe there's some things that you have to manipulate along the way of your board. But if if in fact that Cox was one of their higher eighty guys and then they took right over him, you know, I mean, okay, that's jumping tags and so you know, but they got fortunate that they got Cox, you know when they did.

So maybe that tells me that they had Cox rated wrong, you know so, but don't you know that's sorry, don't you don't you think what you do previously in a draft has some sort of impact on that, like having if you draft Rashaan Slater, maybe you make Cox the first pick among those Day two picks, or the second pick. Maybe you draft Cox is seventy five, if you draft Rashawns later, but having Micah Parsons already as part of your draft class probably influences your opinion about when you

need to take Jabril Cox, don't you think? Yeah, I think to me, with the thing with Jabril Cox, though, I mean, you had to go in if if if Parsons is your sixth best player on your board, and you get down to it and say, you have a second round grade on Cox, you know, and you're in there and you end up getting him in the you know, the fourth round. Yeah, I think that's one of those times where the tags just blinking at you, like, we've got to take this. You know, we got a second

round grade on him, so let's let's go. And so I don't to me, I just I just don't the problems I have. And I think the Cowboys did right. I mean there's several the Gholston pick, I understand that. Oh, Dickie Zawah, I get that, you know. Heck, the Bohannan pick I think is gonna great. The wide receiver from Stanford. I love their picks. The process sometimes drives me a little nuts about how they set things up, and you know, sometimes they fall into some things that you're like going, wow,

they got the draft. Gods were smiling on them today because of where they had particular players. So I'm not gonna call it chaos, but I'm gonna call it you know, how do you set things up and then have it fall the way it does, and you know, maybe take themselves out of some players that they probably could have got. But overall, it's the it's the results that matter and not the process. Maybe I'm making too much of a big deal of the process with this team. Hey, you

got the price. I agree with you. Though I like I think this team, I think this for the for the majority of the time I've covered them. I think the Cowboys kind of tweak things as they go to make it, to make it work the way they wanted to.

Like Oh, Diggi, Zooa and Gholston are a great example again of like maybe there were high or graded players available, but they were like all right, but like I would love to have some beef on the defensive line, and so you tweak it and say, let's just take these guys and worry about it later. And that's what made I'm actually I'll be publishing a story about this later today. I encourage you to read it. But that's what made

last year so different. Is it really didn't feel like they did that at all, Like it really felt like they were really just drafting the best possible player. And who knows, maybe that's wrong, Like we don't know all of their grades for last year either, but that's certainly what it felt like. And I think that's just that's an outlier. And I think the vast majority of the time when the Cowboys are in their war room, I think they kind of tweak things based on what they

feel like needs to happen. It sounded like, and you had said this previously on one of the shows that we had been on, but it's kind of like false hope at least from twenty to twenty twenty one. But like you said, if they're not fudging grades, then it's the same kind of thing. It's it's exactly going down the board drafting these guys where they were. The biggest surprise was ninety nine and Nashan right and the Oregon State corner that just kind of came out of nowhere.

And like Brian said, it's rumored that the Cowboys had a third round grade on him. When we come back here on the Draft show, we're gonna hit some Twitter on the twenty questions, including one that has to do with Nishan right and what he brings in. What Brian thinks about him now that he's probably gotten a chance to watch him. We'll talk about that and many more of these eleven picks that the Cowboys made when we return here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show.

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Slash Academy. Welcome back into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Likyle Yeoman's Brian brought us David Hellman should soon to be have having Bucky Brooks join the crew. He's doing some NFL Network duties early this morning. We will have a Thursday show as well with Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin k D. Turner, and Dame Bugler to wrap things up officially for the twenty twenty one edition of the Draft Show.

Once again, special thanks for all those who have stuck with us from all the way into Simber, all the way up until last week's draft and then the week after. So it's time now to answer some of those fan questions with some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the Twitter Chris Beam absolutely killing it in the back, and he did it all weekend long throughout the draft coverage

here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Okay, first one has to do with Nashan Wright, and I'm gonna send this one directly at broadest now that we've gotten a chance to kind of see who he is. Cowboys Cowboys Coffee Talk says, is there a possibility that he was drafted simply as a situational defender to match up against bigger targets one on one in the red zone and then also to play a little bit of special team So ultimately a third round pick ninety nine overall for a

situational defender, is that exactly what the case was with Nishan? Right? And what do you think about him now that you've gotten to see him? Yeah, I you know, I like the idea. That's some really deep thinking. But I think

they drafted him to play legitimate corner. And what I'm learning more about Dan Quinn and how they're looking at these players is the taller the player for Dan, the better the player for Dan, and what he wants to do is and I've learned this this is an I think a very interesting take that taller guys create smaller windows for quarterbacks to throw the ball. If you're a quarterback and you go out there and a guy's playing off the hip of a receiver and running with quarterbacks

don't see that throwing area. They don't see that window to fit that ball because what they see is defender. And so if you get a guy that has the ability to stay in position, whether that's you know, I'm not it's about full separation, but you stay in trail position and then are able to create that barrier between the receiver and the quarterback, then that makes a quarterback maybe not want to throw the ball that direction because

he doesn't see that window. And then if he does make that throw, then you have the situation where you have the length to knock the ball away or to defend the pass. I think the reason why they they drafted right was for that reason. I think it's, you know, he's a he's a good press corner, he really really is. And when you watch him get up on defenders, you could see that. You could see and for one hundred and eighty seven pounds, he's got some surprising upper body

strength to make that happen. He could stay on guys and he could keep the guy at the line of scrimmage and frustrate that that receiver from getting into his route. Again, you make that that quarterback half to hold that ball a split second longer than maybe your rush gets home. So, you know, the quarterbacks like the Melofon woos. I liked Melofon will a lot. You know, I really liked I liked Thomas from Michigan a lot. I have this kid. I didn't see him as a third round player. I

can't put him above those guys. You know, I may be wrong about that. I'll be happy to ad men I am. But there were three cornerbacks and I'm not including Molden in that deal because I think Mouldy would have been a totally You're gonna use mold in a different way. But those corners that went after him, I

was more on board with overall. But I can understand now why they would go after a right just because of the thinking of maybe being a guy that's going to create window problems for quarterbacks in this draft day. I'm I'm just fascinated. And you know I watched I think I watched an hour of his tape on Saturday morning after he was picked. I definitely, you know, I said it on the broadcast. Like I like his movement ability. He looks surprisingly fluid for a guy who's that big.

I like his willingness to get in the mix. He's a chippy like willing tackler. His short area like when he you know, if he's in open space against a smaller, you know, shiftier player, I think he's gonna be in trouble. But I do think there's stuff there to like, I'm

just it's gonna be fascinating. Obviously, we won't know for a year or two years or three years just how correct they were or wrong, but you know, we'll be able to make some sort of judgment as early as this training camp because I mean, in my opinion, I know,

you know, he's not going to start. Nobody should be expecting him to start, even if even if he did have a true third round grade from everybody, But like if you're a top one hundred pick, I expect you to contribute, you know, I mean, and the history indicates that that is a reasonable expectation. So you know, it was only last year Reggie Robinson was a fourth round pick and couldn't couldn't get active, let alone on the field.

So I'm very curious to see just how much this guy can contribute early because if if he's really you know, if he's as good as they think he is, they should be able to find a way to use him as a rookie in my opinion. And you know, maybe if if he needs some more seasoning, that won't be the case, but it'll it'll be interesting to see how quickly he can hit the ground running. Kind Of staying with that same topic, in that same theme, Dave, I'll

turn this question to you. A caller, actually, one of our listeners called in, and unfortunately we're virtual, we can't take phone calls. So we took this question though, and Eli said, who are some of the draft picks that are going to replace specific players and who are they going to replace on this roster or move into those spots that have vacated so out of the draft class, Dave, who are some of the guys that are going to

have some competition that are currently on this roster. If you've listened to Steven Jones talk at all in the last two weeks, he is he is dying to fire some people, and that sounds that sounds mean, but like the Cowboys are hard up against the cap in twenty twenty one, Like by the time they pay all these

rookie salaries, they'll be right up on the cap. And you know, Steven Jones talked about, you know, maybe being able to trade guys at training camp, Like if this class is as successful as they wanted to be early, I think you could see a lot of intense competition for veteran jobs. You know, I pulled up the depth chart, okay, I mean, if Micah Parsons is the twelfth overall pick, they better be able to find a way to get

him on the field a lot. So that's either playing with more linebackers or finding an excuse to take a veteran linebacker off the field, maybe using Mica as like a Sam dpr in addition to off ball linebacker stuff. I absolutely expect Kelvin Joseph to push for a starting job, whether that's you know, I would imagine that's at the expense of Anthony Brown. But you know what, I think it would be a mistake to just completely write Anthony Brown off, Like, never discount the ability of a five

six year NFL veteran. So that's going to be interesting what you know. Obviously the defensive line again, like, is Odiggy Zooa good enough to take a starting job away? Probably not. Is Quentin Bohana good enough to take a starting job away from the likes of like maybe Antoine Woods or Brent Urban, Probably not. But I expect all of those guys to push to be in the rotation.

Steven Jones said, he said yesterday on one oh five three with Jeff and Brian that it's a stretch, but he thinks it's possible that all eleven draft picks make the team. I don't think. I don't think I believe that. But just through the math, they spent seven picks on they spent seven picks in the first through fourth round. They have not cut a first through fourth round rookie in the almost decade that I've covered the team. So that's seven rookies right there that are damn near guaranteed

to make it. And then you've got another four. So even if only like one or two of those four make it, you're talking about like eight nine guys making the team is draft picks, and they'll absolutely push for maybe not starting jobs, but again, like a guy like Bradley and I's a great example. We all love Bradley and I they got great value on him, but like he's a fifth round pick at the end of the day, there's nothing keeping him on the team if somebody outplays him.

So that's the type of stuff you gotta watch. In my opinion, Yeah, I think you also, I think Dave did a great job of going through the guys. Also watch Simmy Juko at at wide receiver. You've got You've got expensive guys like Noah Brown. You know that that's an expensive guy for you right there, and all of a sudden, if you could get a guy to play special teams in the role of Noah, in the role of Noah Brown, then you take his salary, you know,

right off the book. Off the books. I'll be interested to see what happens to at the defensive tackle spot as well. Will Bohanna be better than Woods? You know again, that's where they keep bringing Woods back, and in that situation, I you know, he might be something that that turns into a swap out there. Dave mentioned o Diggi Zawa. I mean Hill is young, Galla War is young at that under tackle though, could he replaced one of those guys. I mean those that was a set I can round

pick that was a third round pick. But you know, we'll see. Let's see what happens with Josh Ball. Usually offensive tackles need to usually offensive tackles need to come in and learn how to hold, trip and clip before they're really any good. But could he come in and could he be better than a Brandon Knight who they might shift to guard? You know, could you know, could he be you know, there's just all kinds of things I think with the you know, with offensive tackle, uh,

the sicky you know they brought him in. It might be, hey, we don't need a veteran guy. This guy would be our swing tackle. Cotter Williams gets beat out at at guard, maybe you move on from him. So there are a lot of things. There's a lot of ways they can tweak this roster with the players that they got. I don't I don't say this to be glib, like I'm not. I'm not trying to make light of it, because this

is guy's livelihoods and careers and stuff like that. But I think the Cowboys would be app absolutely thrilled to shed some expensive veteran like Brian brought up Noah Brown, Cedric Wilson, Antoine Woods or probably in that boat, Tie Inseckie, Like, if any of these guys prove, if you prove to the front office that you can do just as good of a job for six hundred thousand dollars as opposed to the seven figure salary that the veteran in front

of you is making, that helps. I mean, especially for a team that is clearly very worried about the CAP. I think that's what you needs to have their eye on throughoutout the summer, like mini camp, training camp, all that stuff. Worried enough to make all eleven picks, and they did just that whenever the draft came around last weekend. Okay, so this question comes from Luke Wells. He wants to play a game of bust or broken, and we saw yesterday Laton vander Esh not necessarily or excuse me, the

Cowboys declining his fifth year option. He falls into the broken category just be based off of injury issues that he's had in the past. But he wants you guys to place Jalen Smith into one of those two categories. Is he just a straight bust or is he still technically broken? From some of the injury issues he's had in the past, and it could he be one of those guys that has has his back against the wall

with some of these draft picks coming in. Brian, Yeah, I think to me that I wouldn't be throwing dirt on Layton Vanders quite yet myself, because I believe they're going to try and get an extension with him. Now, whether you agree with it or not, you know, we'll see. They obviously feel like that they you know, they don't want to pick up the option. Maybe they can make it a situation where it's like, hey, we can get

a couple more years, we can structure it differently. We don't want to pay the full nine million dollars for that. So I think that they're trying to be proactive there. I think the thing with Jalen Smith, though, is dan Quinn's probably come in and said, listen, there's certain things that I can do with him, and there's things I can't do with him. I can't put him in coverage and feel really really good about it. I've got this

new rookie that I know can rush the passer. He's got the mobility to change the direction and stuff like that. So I think that would be one that when we get to after twenty twenty two, I don't see that happening for him. I don't see Jaylen Smith being on this team. So I feel and Vanderesh will be here. I have a feeling though, that Jayleen Smith won't be here.

That would be my That would be bust for me. See, maybe I'm maybe I'm just as softie like I mean, if you've listened to my work at all, you should know exactly how I feel about Jayalen Smith's situation. I think his contract is one of the two or three biggest problems facing this team right now. There's no doubt that he has not played up to it. I have

a hard time calling him a bust. You know, a guy that we weren't even sure was ever going to play football again when he was drafted thirty four overall, not even a first round pick, and they've gotten They've gotten five hundred tackles out of the guy, fifty four starts, sixty four games. He was a good player during a playoff run in twenty eighteen that was probably not probably that was easily the best season of his career. So bust bust feels harsh, So I'm gonna go with broken.

The problem is, I'm not convinced that what's broken can be fixed, and that's gonna be That's gonna be on dan Quinn again a lot like Micah Parsons you got. I think you got to find a way to use him that's different and more efficient than what we've seen the last two years. And I'm I'm with Brian one

hundred percent. If dan Quinn can't get significantly more out of him this year, I'm not sure how much longer he'll be here because it starts, it starts to become a lot easier to shed that contract in twenty twenty two. So that's one of the biggest storylines facing this team. Having said all of that, I can't call the guy a bust. I mean, well, you're right, the Cowboys have gotten a lot out of him. Yeah, bust is a strong word, but in the context of the game, broken

means you're going to bring him back. Bust to me means you're moving on from him. I'm not saying he's a bad player. In the context of the exercise, broken means you have hope that he'll be back in whenever bust means that they're moving on. You're right, I never thought this kid would ever play another down to football after what happened to him, to Brent Brown, to doctor Cooper, to everybody that worked on getting him back on the field.

Tip of the cat. But in as far as if you look at what's going on right now, he they're likely going to move on from him that I'm calling the bus factor, not the player I bust is where the direction they're going with that? If I had to, if I had to bet right now in May of twenty twenty one, who's more likely to be here for the twenty twenty two season, I would say Laton. So I agree with you very well, said on both of y'all's parts. Okay, so this is a duo question, a

double question. So Ernie originally asked, is Kelvin Joseph now the best corner automatically on this roster? Where does he compare to Trey Von Diggs? And then mister Valajos adds onto that and said, could we view Kelvin Joseph as a Marcus Peters in the same sense of the off the field issues in college? But he sure does have

the talent on the field. Brian, Yeah, I wouldn't say if I'm trying to think about because I had a pretty high grade on Diggs coming out of college last year, and I know the Cowboys probably felt the same way. If it got down to where they got wiped out at seventeen with there are no players on the board, I think they would have taken Diggs in the first round. Dave, you could correct me if I'm wrong there, but I would. I still think that Diggs is likely your best corner.

The guy that has seriously the talent, though, is Joseph. He could he could come in and immediately give you a huge upgrade over the other guys. But I think right now as we talk, Diggs is above him. With the opportunity of Joseph, say, either equaling him or surpassing him. You hope he surpasses, and you hope that Diggs also elevates his game as well. But I'll give it the

Digs right now. Yeah, unless you're unless you're like a top ten pick, I'm not in the business of saying you're the best on your team before you even get on the field. At rookie camp, I mean, we loved the Digs pick and Diggs had a good rookie season, and he got picked on a lot because the NFL is hard, and playing cornerback is even harder. It's one of the two or three hardest positions in the league for my money. So no, I don't think he's the best.

He might be the most naturally talented, but they've got to harness that and turn it into production. I said this on the broadcast too. I think I think it's important. I get I get where you're going with the Marcus Peters thing. I do think he's aggressive, He's got ball skills. Like Marcus Peters, he kind of seems like a little bit of a little bit of a knucklehead. I bet a lot of people have seen the clip of him of going around of him just decking that Auburn receiver

during the Auburn game. So there's there's some stuff you got to work on there. But like Marcus Peters got like banned from Washington, like Chris Peterson had to invite him back to Pro Day because the relationship was so sour. I like I said, I choked the coach. Yeah, choked a coach. I was good. I was gonna say punched. I couldn't remember. It's been five or six years. Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, like Kelvin Joseph, seems like he's a

little bit of a knucklehead, maybe some maturity problems. I haven't heard anything about that, like about him just being that guy, you know. Like I said, like I talked to people at LSU who had nothing but good things to say about him as a person. It seems like, you know, he didn't burn any bridges on his way out of Baton Rouge. I don't know the situation at Kentucky quite as well as I do at LSU for obvious reasons. But I don't get the impression that he's

a bad guy. I just think maybe he's an immature guy. So we'll see how the Cowboys deal with that. This guy, this guy's played in twenty games in his career. That's all he's playing. I mean, he's a super talented guy for twenty games. But be careful with going the route you're going right now. Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. I mean you got to kind of balance those issues. And the Cowboys did their homework and balancing both of

those before they made the selection. So I mean at this point, they know more than we do about what the kind of player they were drafting is going to be coming into training, training camp, and hopefully all these guys are ready to go whenever that time comes around. Thanks again for all your twitter on the twenty questions.

Oh for Brian, Yeah, I mean, let me tell you this, the fact that the head coach and the defensive coordinator both were at the pro day, that's probably the reason why that kid got drafted, and maybe even Bohanna later on they caught an eye and Bohanna even talking about

talking with Dan Quinn. So that's you're exactly right. There's a lot of smokescreen, or excuse me, a lot of smoke to that fire of seeing exactly how much they really were targeting Kelvin Joseph and just how much they were trying to get to know him prior to the selection, because if not, then neither one of those guys would have been in Lexington for that pro day. But, like I was saying a moment ago, thanks again for everybody

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Cowboys dot Com. Final segment here of the Draft Show Tuesday edition with Brian brought Us and David Hellman. It's been a ton of fun talking with you guys all the way since December. It is bittersweet to see this come to it in and I'm excited for next year. But one final segment, about seventeen minutes left and plenty of questions to hit. Of course, the Cowboys did draft or excuse me, not draft they sign thirteen undrafted free agents to go along with the eleven draft picks that

they had. We won't go specifically into those players at the moment, will of course, have plenty of content. I'll be riding up some profiles and things of the sort on the website over the next couple of days. But dave anything stick out to you and the fact that they've signed one thirteen different players and even just maybe what came out of that class overall. To be honest with you, I'm shocked that they had room for thirteen undrafted free agents after drafting eleven players like and not.

I don't as far as I know, the league doesn't. Even the league hasn't set the roster limit yet, so it could be eighty, it could be ninety. So if it's at eighty, I would guess they probably got some work to do. But the big thing that stood out to me was probably the receivers. A you know, we've we fall in love with an undrafted receiver every freaking year. It was Andy Jones for a while, it was Eric Rodgers for a while, Lance Lenore Kyle's guy, Jalen Guiton

a couple of years ago, John Vay Johnson. Like every year there's a receiver that we've freak out about, and this year it's definitely gonna be h t J. Vasher out of Texas Tech. I already see his highlights going around Twitter. He's a big body guy. I get it

he's capable of making some crazy catches. Um. But again, going back to the conversation about Noah Brown and Cedric Wilson, they drafted Simmy on Saturday and then they signed four more so that they're they're guying for somebody to come in and kind of churned the bottom of that receiver depth chart. They kind of did the same thing. At tight end. They obviously didn't draft one, so they brought

in Nick Ralston out of Ull. They brought in Nick Eubanks out of Michigan, who's actually I don't know why I watched him because he was a super late round prospect, but I actually did, and I kind of like his game a little bit. Art Artavius Lynn from across the way at TCU. So again, tight end, obviously you got Jarwin and Schultz, but behind that, you know, create some competition. So that was that was probably the big thing that

stood out to me. Is just again trying to turn those trying to turn that depth chart and maybe get rid of some more expensive guys in favor of some cheaper ones. Brian, how likely is it for some of these guys because of the eleven draft picks, because there's thirteen different undrafted free agents to try and make the roster and I'll even throw Day three guys into that. That was one of the Twitter on the twenty questions

that we didn't necessarily get to answer from Frankie. But who has the best chance out of the Day three and undrafted free agent class to try and at least make the roster? Make the fifty three man? Yeah, I think to me when you start, Dave was mentioning all the wide receivers and stuff like that. I mean, what's going to happen, you know, with Michael Gallop and what's going to happen with Noah Brown? And what's going to

happen with Cedric Wilson and stuff like that. These are all things that you kind of have to think about, maybe big picture wise, So you always want to believe that those wide receivers have the opportunity to do that, something that I've really I hurt for the guys like Chris Hall who over there. You know, Chris is the coordinator of the college scouting stuff over there, and it does a super job with all that and the coordination

of Dallas Day. I was told this was going to be a historic Dallas Day if they could have had it, you know, with all the players from the area, it was going to be one for the ages. And you know that's the thing that when they do have that Dallas Day and they they seem to find a one or two of those guys that you're like, Okay, you know this, this makes a lot of sense. We get to see him, we get to work him out, we get to be a part of that and get to

have some interaction with him. So I'm interested to see how this class is gonna you know, will somebody from this class in fact make the final fifty three? History will tell you there will be one of them. But with with eleven picks, and then you look at like their they've got some young players in certain positions too that you feel like, well, well, these guys beat out a first a second year player, or a guy that was on the practice squad that they know. You know

that that's gonna be the real trick. It might be a little bit harder for somebody to make this roster, but history tells you there'll be one guy that we will will survive training camping and put a veteran guy on the street. Davis, you throw this out there too. Oh sorry, Kyle, you were you were already gonna ask me a question. It's fine, No, go for it. I just uh, it's not it's not super sexy. But they did sign you know, they signed Brendan Knox, the running

back out of Marshall. And they signed another running back, yeah, Jaquan Hardy out of Tiffin, which I don't even know where Tiffin is. Sorry, um, but you know the obviously Zeke is Zeke is for sure, and Tony's for sure. But the competition for that third running back spot is just a couple of other undrafted guys Rico Dowdle and

saw Alana Lua, which they both were sure. You know, they had nice rookie seasons, but you know, you better bring it in training camp because these guys are just as hungry to make the team as you were last year. By the way, Tiffin's out of Ohio, Dave, Just so you know there they are the Tiffin Tiffin Dragons. And this guy had fifteen hundred yards rushing on the ground last year and two hundred and four attempts and fifteen touchdowns.

I mean, if you wanted to talk about a man amost boys, that's what Jaquan Hardy brings to the table. And he opted out of the spring season, but he was the player of the year, first team All Conference, led the conference in rushing. I mean, YadA Yaday had all the way through for the Tiffin Dragons. So hey, if you're gonna you're gonna get excited about a player, that's one that you possibly could. So just based off of what you guys have been saying, it seems like

the wide receiver position is the most vulnerable. And it seems like whether it's Semi Phihoko out of Stanford or it's one of these undrafted free agent receivers, that's the most vulnerable position in terms of some of these Day three and undrafted free agent guys to make the roster. But Dave, is there another position that sticks out to you maybe outside of the maybe let's say on the defensive side of the ball for these Day three guys

and maybe even undrafted free agents. Yeah, well, I mean we talk about receiver every year just because it's the easiest fun to talk in position, to watch a training camp. Um, how about I mean, it's it's gonna be, it's always gonna be the bottom of the depth chart. But geez, the bottom of the linebacker depth chart looks terrifying right now because I mean, you know, Layton and jay Leen are here. They just drafted Parsons, they just drafted Cox.

So that's four right there. You typically only keep like six maybe seven. Oh, don't forget Keyan O'Neil's a linebacker. So now you're up to five. So now you're talking to well, I think of Basham Moore's a defensive end, like an edge rusher. I know he's technically a linebacker, but like I think of him more as an on the ball guy. But like San Francis, Bernard, Luke Gifford are still here from last year, and now you got the two draft picks that are gonna be competing for

playing time. And then they signed two I think they signed two more linebackers as well. Yeah, Anthony Hines out of Texas A and m and Tyler Coyle who's kind of a hybrid guy out of Purdue. So again, the important part of the depth chart is set. But that last spot or two is going to have about four or five guys fighting for it. Yeah, I wonder what's going to happen at defensive end, you know, is this I mean, this is the first time that you've had Randy Gregory for a full Ota Mini camp and then

training camp without something happening to him. So I'm interested to see how that. You know, Dorgs Armstrong, where is he at in his development right now? You know? But are you gonna put him on the street. Is somebody gonna develop and they're gonna say, well, hey, you know, Dorance, it's nice knowing you, but you know you've been here, Um, you know since twenty eighteen. You're a fourth round pick. You know, we got this guy that we like a

little bit better. You know, I think it's safety position. Is gonna be interesting to see how that all plays out. You know, they're they're talking about moving or South Carolina guy David he figured out his name. How to pronounce his last name? Israel's last name m Mukwomboo. Oh no, there's there's no Yeah, there we go. Komwoo, there you go. They're talking about they're talking about playing him at safety, so you know what's gonna what's gonna happen there at

that position. So uh, you know there's all these when you when you draft eleven players and the owner general manager, son of all that says, hey, all eleven can maybe make this thing. You know we we Everybody's like, oh, there's no way they're gonna make all these picks. And what they do, They made all of them. Yeah, and yeah, keep an eye on this. Let's see who in fact gets to stick. Maybe all eleven do, and then that's going to push some of those guys off this roster

for sure. One one more that I'll throw in. I know we're running out of time, but all like we're not. We've got like I wonder, Oh I forgot, I forgot because we've got a late start. I wonder does another team in the league have as much starting experience at

offensive tackle as the Cowboys do. And you can you can talk trash about Terren Steele and Brandon Knight all you want, and maybe Brandon Ndall move to guard, but those guys got a full season of experience last year, which makes them a hell of a lot more experience than your average third and fourth tackle. You signed Tian Sky, who has started I think seventeen or eighteen career games, and he's been playing pro football through eleven years, so

he's experienced as hell. Mitch Hyatt's still kicking around, Isaac alter Soong is still here from the international program. And then obviously you know Josh Ball would have been drafted a lot higher if not for some nasty domestic violence allegations. So that's a lot of talent and a lot of starting experience. And I didn't even mention the two obvious starters, Tyrn Smith and Lyle Collins. So that sounds that sounds like a very interesting position battle when they finally start

playing football again. I like that as a potential of maybe bringing in those guys. But you do feel good about at least the depth of that position better than you did a year ago, I think in that regard, because you went and got a guy like Josh Ball

who can come and play. But you do have the starting caliber of all those guys on the offensive tackle slot, so maybe even Josh Ball isn't necessarily needed whenever it comes to that, but I think they did another good job of going out and getting some undrafted free agent guys, and like I said, there'll be more direct and more detailed content on those guys over the next couple of days. Is everybody kind of catches up from the end of the draft, so be sure to keep a lookout on

that on Dallas Cowboys dot com. But as we wrap things up for not only did today's show, but for the season of the Draft Show, Guys, what are you going to remember the most about the twenty twenty one draft and the draft process? I mean, because we've been doing this for two hundred days now it seems like, or close to two hundred days of getting on top of things and talking about what this draft class was

going to look like. Now that we know what it looks like, Brian, what is going to be your biggest memory looking back? You know, guys, the thing that I'll always remember about the draft, and not particularly just this draft, but just the Draft show itself. Yesterday afternoon, I got a tweet from a guy who says, I'm a Detroit Lions fan and I watched the Draft Show and I knew more about my draft because of what you guys

did on a daily basis. And you know, the Draft show started with this whole thing with Ed k Hill and myself and then Dane and then Dave and you know, and Kyle. We've had guys along the way. But that's what this show has always been about. It's always been about We always talk about to investigate and educate and the fact that people from other teams, fans from other teams say, hey, I learned more about my team because

of what you guys did. That's that's the best thing that I could ever take away from any draft that we have. And you know, this one was unusual. It wasn't as crazy, i say, as last year, where we really didn't know what was going on with the pandemic and where we were even going to play football. But now we're going to have fans in the stands and you know, hopefully we'll have some OTAs and mini camps

and stuff like that. But to me, just the fact that that fans from all around the world were educated about players on their favorite teams, that means the absolute world to me. And for that, I think the fans are falling along and having such an interest in what we do that that's what makes this job so much fun. Dave. Yeah, I mean, you know, we talked about it already from the from the Cowboys perspective, I think I'm just gonna remember it as maybe I guess. I guess risky is

a fair word. I'll just like I said, boom or bust, I'll be interested to see are they going to hit some gold here or you know. I think I think we we have simultaneously the potential to be like, holy crap, what an amazing job they did. And I think there's some potential to look back and be like, yeah, that's yeah. I'm not surprised some of this didn't work out. Um, But aside from the Cowboys, I said it on Saturday, UM, for me and every I echo everything Brian just said.

But I just love you know when you talk about when you talk about these players for six months and then you watch where they all go, you just it. You know, you know so much about the league because the draft is the lifeblood of the league, and you know where all these guys are going. So when Tommy Togii balls out for Cleveland, I'm not going to be surprised. Or when when Jalen Darden you know, steals the starting

job in Tampa. A year from now, I'm gonna be like, oh, yeah, that's the that's the North Texas guy that we like so much and like it happens year after year. And the more you do it, you just you have a working knowledge of every team in the league because you

know who they drafted. And I think it makes you a better fan, It makes you a smarter fan, and it honestly, it makes the NFL so much more enjoyable because you have this depth of familiarity with basically every player in the league once you've done it long enough. And that's what's so rewarding for me. And you know, obviously my focus is the Cowboys, but I would like to think we help make the entire league more enjoyable

for other people. That's awesome from both of you. I mean Brian specifically talking about the fan from the Lions. I mean, I love that because we do have a Cowboys spend on things because that's who pays the paychecks. But ultimately, that's what we want to do, is we want to investigate, educate all those people that are listening, all those fans that are out there that want to know more and want to know about the league moving forward.

So it has been a ton of fun and that makes me happy hearing that even those who follow the Detroit Lions are locked in and we knew that, we knew that there are more than just Cowboys fans that are in these chats and that are watching these on YouTube and watching these and listening on iTunes and all sorts of that. But there's also a lot behind the

scenes that goes on. I mean, for every hour and I tweeted this out on Saturday as well, but for every hour a film that was watched by the analysts, the seven analysts on this show, there was an hour also put in cutting highlights, making graphics and putting up some of the content and the production value that we've seen throughout not only the Draft coverage this past weekend, but since December on the Draft Show whenever we started talking about doing this show when the Cowboys were at

three and nine. So it really has been a ton of fun. It's a blast to do it with you guys. I look forward to doing it again next year, and let's say like, let's say let's not start it in December. Let's have a better season and then let's talk about starting in maybe January or February. I'd been cool starting like the second week of February after the Cowboys win a ring. That's fine with me. I mean that would be fun. I'd even settle for doing it like the

week of the Senior Bowl. I mean, what like, yeah, let's try to let's try to not start before Christmas next year if that's okay with the Cowboys. Oh, that sounds good to me. But Brian, thank you so much for being a part of it again this year. We missed you last year, but hey, twenty twenty one was just a blast having you a part of it, my guy, Well, thank you appreciate that. Again, Thanks to everybody. Thanks to Chris Beam for all he's done, you know, and keeping

us on the air dealing with her technical problems. Man, we've had a blast. And again thank you for Derek Eagleton and the Jones family for having the vision to say, hey, this is something that we need to do, this is something for our fans. Again, and I always say this, I thank you ed Ka Hill for you two having that vision as well. It's been a blast to be a part of this, no doubt about it. Salute Ed K. Hill, Salute all those that were a part of the Draft Show.

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