Draft Show: Recap & Reactions

It just it's it's like it's like a rollercoaster that just stops short and all of a sudden, we're here to examine what happened and wonder how it all went by so fast, Fellas. Yeah, it is, and uh, it's it's funny because if I still work with the team, I think I'd be sitting in there just kind of looking at the board still. You know, always you're kind of the big dramatic moment. Guy. I'm I'm sit out on the field for an hour after the game. Yeah, I'm one of those I like to kind of take

take it all in and not that. Uh. Oh, by the way, we made our che bag of the day yesterday with our Ravens discussions oh night. So yeah, but we didn't we didn't win. Yeah, but we didn't win that.

But no, the the the the I think that where like I say, you're right, you work so hard at doing it and putting it together and the and the the motions that you go through those days, and then I always like just to kind of sit there and like look at all the tags again and remind myself where we had all these guys and then you watch where they went, and then I'm looking forward all your tweets day that you're really good at during the season, like oh yeah, we talked about that guy. Remember him?

Remember this guy? Like when some guy blocks upun or gets runs back and then Travis Jones, Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's you know, but that's that's the thing about it is, you're right, you just kind of you're going so fast and then you just and then it just stops. It's

almost like the end of the football season. Yeah, you know, when we worked the football season and like for the playoffs, we're like, you know, the forty nine Ers game, we were so excited and we're going, we're going, we're going, you're thinking about and then the season ends and you're just like, Okay, what do I do now, you know what do I do? Now? That is exactly where we are here on one final episode of the Draft Show.

I'm Dave Hellman. Bobby Brian Kyle, like the big voice guy said, and yeah, I mean what at this point, we've had forty seventy two hours since the last pick was made to kind of sit in our feelings and digest it all. And I would love to just sort of break down our feelings on this draft class. We obviously reacted to it all live, but we'll start it out just by saying, has your opinion changed, morphed whatever

about anything the boys did? Specifically, we can talk about the big three picks Tyler Smith in the first round, Sam Williams in the second, and Jalen Tolbert in the third, but overall too, I mean, if you have something on your mind about day three, that's fine too, But I just want to take it around the table and see how you feel. Bobby, I'll start with you felt like and I know we talked about all the time, but I mean it felt like more of a traits draft

than they've done in a very long time. Like a lot of it just was about, hey, these guys need some coaching, they need some seasoning, whatever else, But like, we really believe in the potential of all these guys, and the potential is off the charts. It's just going to take, you know, some investment. And that goes all the way from their very first pick at Tyler Smith, all the way to their last pick at Devin Harper.

It was traits all the way in between. I think the hallmark of this will be remembered as they went traits and toughness. They clearly wanted to sort of adjust the culture and bring in a different style of player or a different tone with these guys that they drafted, because just about everybody they draft has an edge, Like everybody they drafted this weekend has some sort of an

edge pretty much. So how much of a flip is that from y'all's initial thinking, because I know, for me, when we went into this draft process, we said it was a win now sort of draft because you have a certain amount of players that you're missing. Yes, yes, you're gonna have to replace Randy Gregory and Mary Cooper.

That's not going to happen in an NFL draft. However, you do expect to go and get these immediate starters, and we even went through one by one each of these picks live on the draft coverage, and only one of them, Tyler Smith, being a for sure starter, and even that's not even for sure to a certain extent. So is this a draft for the future more so than it was when we thought going into it, because that's my biggest thing right now. No, you know, yeah,

I understand what you're saying. I think it's for me. The draft was different because it was the last two drafts. It wasn't about need, it was about yeah, it was about, hey, who's the best player on that board? You know, who in the stack is the best player? Who's the next best player on that board? And it's kind of surprised us, you know it kind of it kind of made us like, oh, they took that guy. Oh they took that guy, you

know that kind of thing. But this one was more about and Stephen Jones is like the pre draft stuff was kind of saying, hey, we're we don't have anything that we're really pressing any I hate to differ with you there, sir. You just took your starting left guard. You needed a wide receiver because of the situation you were in defensive end, you lost a guy because an agent pulled the rug out from underneath you. You know

that kind of thing. So, you know, the first first three picks at least were those ones where it went like we need a guard, we need this, we need this. I would go as far as to say the first four yeah, because I think after yeah, if well it wrote it down on a piece of paper about Ferguson too, That's what I'm saying. Okay, well, you know I was talking we wrote it. If we wrote it down on it, like if we all got together on Wednesday morning before the draft and we were like, what are the four

big needs on this team? That's what they hit all in a row, not just one of the four biggest needs. But it's like, how would you rank the four biggest needs. There are a lot of people would rank them like that, Yes, for sure. Yeah. So but to me, I'm you know, when I went back and looked again, sitting around looking at tags, you know, and I look at the Cowboys draft and I was just kind of going through all the teams and what they had done and in like

the order they took guys. Maybe my gage was just what my work, my one hundred and ninety. You know, the players I watched, you know, I was disappointed I didn't have tackle tape and all that, but I got that. So we're, you know, good with good, go with that. But the thing about it is, though all my players were kind of grouped together that they took Tilbert being my highest rated guy at seventy four, Williams at seventy five, so they were right there. Smith was at seventy nine,

Ridgeway was at ninety two. See, they were all kind of right there for what Steven Jones said on Saturday, and you know, in the fourth rounds through the real outlier if you want to say, that would be Ferguson at one fifty two. You know, because I had some tight ends that were better that I clearly liked. There were some guards that I had better that I clearly like. But you know, they don't always see it. I'm just saying I'm looking at what I saw as compared to

maybe how they saw it. You know, the draft, and there was, like I say, there's some teams that I was like, you always laugh at we laughing about the Ravens and stuff like that. The Jets we make fun of the Seahawks, you know, depending on how you know. That's the only point of reference that I really have right there. But for the Cowboys to get players seventy four, seventy five, seventy nine, and ninety two off my board, you know, I'm kind of like, all right, you like

the value there? Yeah, yeah, all top one inside of one hundred right there. So to me, you know, it doesn't matter where you pick them, just pick them. You know. That's pretty much their attitude, I believe. Going back to and I agree with you for the record, but going back to Kyle's point, and I think that is you don't have to agree with me, but I do. Actually, I'm right, like I said, I mean, that's that it

wasn't a flashy draft at all. No, it was exactly it was almost textbook to how to move up and down, well not to move up or down, but not to move up down, no, no, but to to look at the board and and kind of gauge. You know, it's not gambling if you feel like, Okay, if we take this guy first, there's a good chance this next guy, I mean to me and Bobby could probably because Bobby's got some great sources in the sink there are people around the league that we're interested in. Taken Tilbern and

taken Sam Williams and stuff like that. Bobby calls it purgatory, that picked right before it gets to you and and then you lose a guy, you know. So they they they navigated the board, how they felt like they needed to navigate the board, and you know, you hear stuff after the fact, and that's I think as early as like Saturday night. I think they did have guys that they considered moving up for at certain points in the draft.

But at a certain point it got to it where they were like, well, look at this, Look at all the guys we've got good grades on. That'll just somebody will be there, right, Let's just throw these darts, man, Like, why why risk being wrong in a trade up when we can just throw four or five darts at guys that have similar grades. And that's when I said, I agree with you. I don't think after the Sam pick. Probably it's like starting with Tolbert and going through Ridgeway.

I think the grades on all these guys were fairly close. Like I feel like they got pretty good value with all of these picks. And you hear about tight ends. Specifically, in that fourth round, Jake Ferguson wasn't necessarily the top name on their board, but he wasn't far off from the Ka Doton's and Daniel Bellinger's and the Charlie Cohlers that went before Ferguson. They felt good about Ferguson, they liked him overall. He just wasn't that number one got

on their board. But they were so similar and so close together that it wasn't necessarily see that's where that's to me where I would have if they get colder at that spot and he goes right ahead of him, right ravens VENs drafted him. But if okay, say they tra colder, then on my board they've drafted five third round guys. You know, I mean again, I mean it's well, damn brought us that. Where's the first round grade on me on the You know this, well you're picking at

twenty four though two? You know, let me tell you to be honest with you. Though our LSU linebacker, I kind of had him. I had him in a situation where if I'd have kept him on the board, I had a second round grade on that guy. You know, I really did. I mean, not because he's an LSU guy, but say you're not going to get him if he's not hurt unless you pick him probably at fifty six, Right, you're not going to get that player. What I wanted to ask you, Brian, just out of curiosity, and I

wouldn't I don't know. I would love to know the candid conversations. You've been in a war room many times. Yeah, was have there ever been years in year experience and we can't say that this is what the Cowboys thought or that they do think, or that they would think, but as there ever, was there ever a year in your history where like even the people in the war room were like, this is a this is a low developing class, Like this is a draft about the future,

not a draft about this season that's about the start. No, I think that it was. I think that the conversation. See, I was a part of some teams in Green Bay where we were we were better, you know, so we were drafting just trying to kind of maintain what we were doing. Philadelphia, we were we were coming off being like we were a bad team, and so yeah, we just had to you really had to try. That draft

ended up being more about their future than anything. You know, if you look at the Andy Reid future and stuff like that, Jacksonville, I was on the pro side of things, I mean to get you know, you know, there were some some picks that were a little bit questionable there that that we made at that time, and then in the Dallas stuff, it was like we were a bad team again, but we didn't help ourselves with any picks to make it any better until Parcels came in and

then that's when things kind of turned around for us. But I think overall, you were always trying to draft, like, you know, if you were a good team, you were, you were trying to maintain that. If you're a bad team, like, man, we don't have enough damn picks to you know, to make this to turn around. Yeah, I think I mainly just wonder outwardly and rightfully. It's like every team in the league thinks they killed this draft. Oh absolutely that

every year. Yeah, And I just wonder behind closed doors if if and it could it doesn't have to be the Cowboys, but I just wonder if their front offices are ever like yeah, like we're we're we're drafting these guys for twenty twenty three. More, well, I think I think if you look at the linebacker from La Shoe, that's a twenty obviously that's that's that's a twenty twenty three. But but I mean, yeah, I mean, we'll look at the Cowboys the history. They had a draft one time

in the nineties where they drafted basically all special teams players. Yeah, it was like their roster was, Yeah, their roster was so deep that it was like literally all special teams guys, and you're like, well, who they get? And then and then that's where teams started to catch up with them. You know, teams once they had that draft, they stopped drafting,

like rigging all Pro Hall of Fame players. They're drafting backups who are special teams guys because they're thinking, we can't we if anybody we draft's not going to beat out who we got. So that you know that that

that attitude did happen here one time. I think that, yeah, if you get people off to the side and have them be honest about things, like I remember specifically somebody in twenty nineteen, like it was a very tepid and norse was like, we got some guys, we'll see if they can do something like that was kind of the feel. And twenty nineteen didn't turn out to be a great class. But so I mean that that has happened before, But that was not the sense I got talking to people

this weekend. This weekend, they actually, I think, really liked the guys. They got a lot all the way from the top at Tyler Smith all the way through to Devin Harper, they liked the entire class. Yeah, I think this is where to me, it's really going to be about the next two classes. You know, it's gonna be about the class from last year, you know, with the balls and guys like Dad Gholston. You know, can those guys make the step forward? Joseph? Can they all make

the step forward? You know, to to help your team? And then you know it takes a lot of pressure off some of these. Now you're gonna need Smith to start it at guard, and you're gonna need Toilbert likely to play a role at wide receiver. You can't have him inactive every week. I think we would agree that those two, if nothing else, and maybe Sam Williams too, I would say you could get away with Sam Williams being a rotating player I don't think you can get

away with Tyler Smith and Jalen Tolbert being starters. I bet at the end of the year we look at Sam Williams playing twenty five the Snaps and I think you can get away with that. Yeah, I think you have everywhere else. Yeah, I would tend to agree. The guy that I'm excited about and that of this class, to be honest with you, is Ridgeway. I really am I'm excited about. I mean it's after that. Well, no, I mean it's it's next God, it's exciting to be

scared of him through the phone. Yeah, it's exciting because again, the physicality that he plays with, the toughness he plays with. You know, but you're in a situation you know it's not always about making every tackle inside, but it's about it's about creating, like just clogging things up to where people can't run the ball, will you. You know, he might not make every tackle, but if you're That's the

great thing about Jordan Davis. When you watch you talk to scouts around the league, he's like, not taking up two blocks, he's taken three. You know that that's if you're if you're clogging things up in the middle that bad. Then it makes that gives that back that indecision like that there's no push up front. Backs of course love it when you could get that push so they can

read where the hole is developing. But if you get a guy like Ridgeway who's standing there just hammering those centers and guards and now there's no no place for these backs to go, that that's a that's a big part of your defense. Right. Let me ask you this because I remember so many people got excited about Quentin Bohannah because they just didn't draft guys like him on the previous regime. And I remember at some point being like, the hype on a sixth round pick is a little

much for me. To me, this is to me, this is a different players. That's what I'm saying. So I didn't you sound like, I'm like, you expect more from Ridgeway than I would. That's what I'm saying. That's what

I'm saying. I expect I expect more from Ridgeway the way he plays, and you know, with him and Bohanna and those guys, they talk about having two of those guys, you know, and that's but also Bohannah needs to be that in that mix where I was talking about with Gholston Cox, you know all these guys that didn't need you know, Joseph, these guys right their draft class from last year, Michael Parsons as a star, but those other guys need to not have where they play six games

and they're good and then they fade away for the other eleven. They need they need those guys playing, much like with Doorg's Armstrong. Georg's Armstrong to me was always a guy that played really well one game and then you lost him for four, where I think last year he was more consistent. They need to get that from

not only from the previous draft class. But I'm not I'm saying like I say, if they could pull just Smith being the starter and then Tolbert and then Williams and others kind of supplementing in I think that's a good thing. We've talked about it, We talked about it over the weekend. But on the off chance any listeners don't want to sift through eighteen hours of us acting a fool, Just have you learned anything or heard anything about Tyler Smith or it could even be just your

impressions of him from his visit to the facility. How has your opinion changed from like Thursday evening when you were kind of getting the vibe that he was going to be the pick, to four or five days later when when you've really had a chance to take a

deeper dive. I think the biggest thing with it is his projection, and early on and you're watching the player and you're looking at the tape, it's it's hit or miss with Tyler Smith sometimes, I mean, especially as a pass blocker, as a run blocker at the He's NFL ready right now, which is kind of it bodes well to his projection as a guard to go in and play at left guard. I think he's going to find

Jerry Jones's ears. Yeah, sure, I think he can go in and find a spot as the starting left guard immediately. If he were to come in and be at the starting tackle and he's he's on an island and he's backing up and he's in past sets, that's when you have some troubles there. There's tape out there against Cincinnati and my J. Sanders is just absolutely having his way with Tyler Smith, and my J. Sanders was outside of the top one hundred pick to Arizona this past weekend.

I liked my Jay more than anything. But I liked him because he went up against Tyler's shriff and absolutely destroyed the guy. Yeah, but most of those sets where he was getting beat against My j Sanders was in pass blocking sets. That's something that he can develop along the way while also immediately translating the guard. There were rumors out there, and I don't know how much truth there is to this, but there's rumors that if he were to stay at the collegiate level, he was a

late declare. If he would have stayed around the college game, there's a chance he would have transferred to an SEC school, he would have started, and then he would have been up in the top category. Is maybe a top ten pick just based off of his projection alone. He's only twenty one years old, turned twenty one what three weeks ago, and then you turn around then now he's an NFL player. He's got a high ceiling. It's just you got to get it out of him. That's up that Joe Philibin,

that's up to Kellen Moore. It's those guys across the building. Now, they got to take advantage because they've got the guy, they've got the trades, they've got the potential. Now you've got to take advantage if he's a first round pick. I think they they're confident they're getting it out of him good. And I think that they feel like if he hits his potential Brian's favorite word, that ceiling, he gets to his sailing Brian. I think they feel like he comes out of this as the best tackle in

the group. I think that that's genuinely how they feel about it, and they think they're going to get that out of him. It's just a matter of who's going to get it out of him. You've got a chance here, you know, Joe Philbin and these offensive coaches, you can get this out of him. And you know, if you can't, well we'll find somebody else doing. But somebody's going to get it out of him because we believe he can do it. Yeah. I think the thing that I became

away with him is I didn't know the personality. You know, this is the great advantage, Like we all we all get to watch the tape and then all of a sudden we get to talk to the kid. Yeah, and then all of a sudden you're going, Ah, I see it. I can see how he could come off in an interview. I could see how he can come off as you know,

there's things you know, you talk to him. There's things that we had a chance to interview him on the radio the day, and there's things he says that you're like, man for a young kid, he gets this, he understands this. I think Bobby's onto something very interesting. You know that now the pressure is on Mike McCarthy, Kellen Moore, Joe Philbin. You know you you know, if you if you don't find a way that McCarthy even said himself, three draft

classes now, three draft classes. You know you got to find a way to you know, because I feel like some teams in your division got a little bit better. I felt like the Giants got a little bit better. You know. It felt like the Commanders got a little bit better. You know, Eagles got a little it better. So maybe the gap. You know, you still have the best quarterback in the division, you know, and that always helps.

But you know, they they've added some pieces, those other teams have added some pieces along the way to make it not so much maybe a six oh cake walk for you during the year. I think we've all heard the rumor that Tyler Smith wouldn't have finished his college career at Tulsa hadn't he stayed. And it's a great point, and I think it gives you a really good idea of the type of talent you're talking about. Like, if this kid could go to an Alabama and start and

maybe be a top ten pick, that's wonderful. I do think the caveat there is had he done that, that is a full season of developing in the SEC where to be a top five it's a step up from Tulsa, but it's not the NFL. And you're also probably going to a program that is used to pumping these kids out. I mean, Bannat has top ten tackle every year. Yeah, but you're in a situation too. Let's not forget that Cincinnati from that conference made it to the playoffs, so

they're playing good football. It's just a matter of maybe some of the coaching, maybe it's he's such a good player that you don't mess with him technique wise, you just don't saying as a coach, you're kind of like,

do you really are you really pulling it? I'm I'm again It's not like I'm taking a slam at Tulsa there, but it's like, sometimes you let these star players play, just do it, just just play, whereas maybe if you do go to one of these other places and stuff the competition again that that you know, playoff team from that from that American Athletic Conference. There was part of it. I didn't mean that, you know, so much as a knock on Tulsa. I guess my point sounded like it not. No,

I didn't. I meant it more along the lines of like, it's great if he's got the talent to play at an Alabama. Yeah, that's still that's a year of coaching that he's getting that he's not now the coaching needs to happen here, right, That's the point I was trying, And that's the point. I think Bobby's onto and he's right, But I think this, I think this is a year where and we've talked a bad bunch on one, O

five three. The fan is that they're they're in a situation right now with the evaluation of the coaches, especially the way dan Quinn's contract is. Yeah, you know, it appears to me that dan Quinn has got the kind of contract now where you know, Mike McCarthy's like, I wish we wouldn't have had to go through all this and stuff like that. But yeah, there's there's a lot of pressure on this offensive staff. The defensive staff appears

to be able to develop players. I was having a conversation with some guys coming on on the way over here. We're like, you know, if this if Tyler Smith was playing for Dan Quinn, I wouldn't worry at all about this pick. But I would. I worry, you know, I worry. And we interviewed Joe Philban. He was super nice to us. I was and here's a guy that again I'm sit there thinking, okay, Joe Philman, here I am. You know, I'm the guy that wants to get rid of you,

you know. But he was. He was very cordial and very nice about the interview and stuff like that. A pro, but you know, there's pressure on him to get this to get this line playing like it was halfway through the season last year. There's been a lot of talk about Tyler Smith's hands and his hand usage and stuff like that. His feet, their feet or which you're gonna have to clean up to those pass sets. But that's the thing again, it's almost like he doesn't know. And

Joe FilmOn kind of talked about it. There is something intriguing about a clean slate. You're not having it. You can basically build somebody up in the habits that you want wonderful if you do a good job and if you do a bad job. If you if you don't do a good job, they will. It's okay, there's one of our litmus tests to find someone else. Bobby, Do you feel like maybe the way, if I'm reading you right, you feel like that this was more of a Scouts pick than it was the coaches one a ready made

guy and this is not a ready made guy. Yeah. I mean I think the Scouts are really really high on him. Love it. Yeah, I mean there there because their whole thing is about the projection. It's just a coach needs to go get it out of him. Yeah, a coach. You know, if it's kind of like win now and her jobs are on the line. We'd rather have a plug and blake than somebody we got to build from the ground up. So yeah, I think that's the case. But I also think there are a lot

of people on the coaching stuff. We're also intrigued by him and are excited to get their hands on Like, Okay, these are the traits that we can build something really special. We will have two more segments not to mention the whole summer to argue about Tyler Smith. We will get to your questions right after this break. This is Chad Hennings, former cowboy and proud veteran of the United States Air Force. When my fellow military veterans choose VA, they receive life

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What do you think and we'll just we'll keep this to the big picks because it just gets too complicated on day three. Uh, what do you think are the picks at twenty four or fifty six and eighty eight if the guys they took got snatched out from under him? Like, what do you think the fall batch? I know, Oh my god, I know I'm putting you on the spot. I wish I had this question to sit down and

look it out. And you're saying if Tyler Smith, just if let's say, let's say the Titans trade up to twenty three and snatch him, Okay, scene, I think scene, I think Devin Lloyd and scene. Yeah, the ones that come into my head are Devin Lloyd and Lewis which we didn't talk a lot about Lewis scene, but I'm I can tell you now after the fact that he was pretty highly graded on their board, which would have

been crazy. The one year that they actually had the safety depth is the one year they actually drafted, and that's high. That's why I think I think it would have been Lloyd because they would look at it and say, we've got two safeties under contract. Probably, I think that that's safe. Devin Lloyd at twenty four, Am I not allowed to cheat and say at fifty six that it would have been Jaylen Tolbert if it wasn't Sam. Um. I mean that's because that's outside the spirit of the exercise.

But if you want to, yeah, I won't do that. Um gosh, I tell you, I'm looking at the order online and like, there isn't a name that jumps out to me, like in the ten spots after Sam Williams. No, I don't see it. Nay Anderson at Ingram, cam taylor Bridge. Would they have taken one of those? Would they have taken one of those cards? Yes? I mean would you've taken I mean it was like Canard on their board you mentioned medical. Okay, so maybe it's say, maybe it's

Luke Fortner yeah, or he's yeah, Abraham Lucas yeah. Um. So if they went who were so first? Devin Lloyd? Second, I don't know. Maybe they go at Ingram. Maybe they go and take because they need available because Fortner I know they've viewed as center. Oh but I mean theoretically viewed Zion as a center too. But they viewed Dianas could play guard regularly. Fortner was your center. Um, Ingram's a good guess, Ingram. And then they're at eighty eight. Um,

that's a good question. Some sort of receiver at that point, probably who went a few picks after that. David Bell was the first receiver off the board after Tolbert's David Bell. I'm Carlton, did that man? No favorite? If you guys, may guys, may you imagine people's reaction if they wait till eighty eight to get a receiver and it's a guy that ran a four seven one or whatever. It's possible, It's possible. I just Tolbert wasn't there. He might have been the pick. They met with him, they pop, you

know where I could see they go. They go, uh, well maybe um as Ukama, maybe um Lloyd, let's say Lloyd Ingram, Michael Clemens, Texas. How would you feel about that? I think not as good. I think I feel better about what they got. Yeah, could you throw maybe Sean Ryan into that into that mix? In the third round? He went, I didn't. I mean, they could have been interested. I didn't hear a ton like of them tied to him.

But I could have he had guard tackle flexibility. They probably would have taken Dave's guy, Rashod White, running back from Arizona State. I would see, what's funny, is Zachary Carter Brian's dude, Brian's guy. Yeah, Rashad White's my guy. But if the Cowboys had spent a third round pick on him, I might have I would have needed a minute. The more I look at they might Honestly, they might

go ought in there. Oh yeah, that's points at eighty eight because they were considering trading up for him at one, one o six. So yeah, if they were wiped on the receivers, they'd probably go out. I think we figured it out pretty well then. Yeah, good, really good question. I love stuff like that. Zach wants to know if you think they have any free agency moves in them now that the draft is over. I mean some of the stuff we were talking about swing tackles and stuff

like that. Jerry said, Nope, not getting one now. So I guess we'll just surprise you at all, just because a little bit. You're putting a lot of faith in two guys that have never played in the NFL, Josh Ball and um. Well, but they need to play. But you're but I mean, yeah, you drafted them, and you're putting a lot of faith. I think you're also saying, Matt will let's go. Like for some reason, his name, I'm like you with this guy, like his name is like a mental block for me. Let's go, let's go,

let's go, let's go. Yeah, I keep thinking of the Cartel song Let's Go. I think honestly that I think I think to be to be honest with you, I think you need ball to be the swing and I think Let's Go needs to be the red shirt guy, you know. I mean, I mean that's what's but Ball's played just as many snaps in the regular season as Let's go. But that goes, that goes. Did they have Let's Go great a higher than ball was last year? I think they did. Okay. Well, then, let you know,

we're gonna see some competition there for sure. But I'd like to see some competition at right tackle. To be honest with you, I would do you know, I don't. I mean, I'd like to see Terrence Steele pushed a little bit. If one of these guys is better than Steele, you know, let's let's go there. I mean I think they feel like they had their coups. I think they felt like they had their competition at right tackle last year.

And I think that's why Terrence steals the guy. Now, Yeah, I mean, but like I said, it goes back not only not only talking about the development of Smith, but how about a ball you know, how about how about some of these other guys, how about Farniac, how about you know, it's not just about Smith, even though Smith is your start, but how about McGovern. I mean, how

about development. If they've got so many as these young guys, who's going to step up Either if none of those guys step up at all, either either they don't know what the hell they're doing drafting offensive lineman or they need to get a new offensive line coach. How over the last four years, I think this is a great point offensive line. And I'm not trying to kill Philbin.

I'm just saying, you know, there, if you know, if running game Moses here, Bill Callahan's here or something like that, that we kind of seem like, you know, I mean, maybe you feel a little bit better about the development. The only guy is Tyler Beotist that's had significant and playing time out if anybody they've added. Maybe Terrence Steel is one exception there. And even they didn't even draft the guy, they waited until an undrafted free agency period

to sign him. So I agree with you. I think the pressure is on this offensive staff to start developed developing these offensive line guys. It's been so neglected for so long. Now you got to figure it out. You've got pressure put either they're really poor drafting offensive linemen or they need to go a different direction of how they develop. That's that's that's the that's gonna be the what you you're gonna learn this this year. It's gonna

be interesting too, because everybody from the top down. McCarthy said it at owner's meetings, Jerry and Stephen have said it in the press conferences, and Joe told us when he was on with us, like Farniac and Ball, they're just they're working, work, work. That's great. But so now you're raising my expectations, Like if y'all shat up about what they're doing, then I want to see it on

the field. Wise, you're full of crowd now. And I think that they saw what this defensive coaching staff did at all three levels of the defense, like not just with bringing young players along, but getting veterans like Curse, you know, Curse who come in here and have career years that they've never had in the NFL. And I think they saw that and thought, Okay, we need to start seeing the same sort of development ability from the

offensive offensive side. So to say we're not bringing in a swing tackles because we've invested the capital over there and now the coaches need to make it work. I like that. I like that, Eric says, you know, obviously Tyler Smith and Jalen Tolbert are both Group of five prospects. They draft an FCS prospect in Matt will Let's go, is this just the board falling that way or are we seeing a change in philosophy and the type of players they're willing to look at. Sam Williams also transferred.

He was like a community college guy too, so he ended at Old Miss, but I mean he started his career like he would have had the same trajectory that Tyler. I know whatever, I know why, but I'm just saying, didn't you ask Will that question one time? And he kind of laughed, Yeah, Well, I mean Will always gives me. Yeah, he's given me crap before He's like, why do you think that? And I'm like, you know, rolling out my scroll of Cowboys picks, like, uh, this is why. But

it's hard, Like it gets hard. I mean they've been willing to do it. On day three. Reggie Robinson, Ben Denucci, I know some guys are, I mean Tony Pollard technically memphisis and Power five, But to use premium picks on it a first rounder at that, I mean that is a little bit of a departure. Who have they been interested in? Like, like, who can we even think of people they've been tied to at the first round pick? That was like that Layton also, I guess, but I

don't like boys. It's like it's like I was, I was told by somebody here. I was like, people gotta stop talking about Boise and North Dakota State as like smaller, Like I've touched something there, Like North Dakota State's turned out three NFL quarterbacks in a row. You guys, that's a real program, right, Okay exactly? So like for them to yeah, I can't. I can't think of anybody that's been tied to them. The first round picks are Ohio State, Penn state SEC schools like this is a little bit

of a departure from what we've seen. Is it more of an indictment on the draft class or the way that they they viewed the depth of the draft class, because like we talked about, there's so much of a jumbled mix and there's no general consensus on these prospects. I will I think, I think that you're onto something. But I will also say this, every time I saw a guy like we mentioned wattson the wide receiver, you know, kids from Tampa, Well, let's go, I'm looking at him.

I'm going why is he not playing at per Due? Why is he not playing at Indiana? Why is he not playing at one of these other schools. I think what happens is you talk about drafting some of these kids. I think these college recruiters miss on some of these guys and they end up at Talbert, ends up at South Alabama instead of playing at Tennessee or Vanderbilt or one of those places. Tolbert I think even was another one who had an opportunity to transferring didn't see That's

what I'm saying. I mean, he chose not, And it's going to get worse because what happens with his transfer. Poor thing. These these programs are not going to recruit. They're just gonna take kids from these schools. You know, they're not going to even have to recruit anymore. Really, the really good programs aren't. One thing I've heard from athletic departments across the country is that they're going to have to rerecruit every kid they've ever signed every year.

I mean, and that's going to be the case. It's going to have an effect on the NFL draft, if anything, it already has. I mean, I think they liked I think they also liked Penning. Like I think there's a scenario where Penning could have been the pick for them, and so it's like, you know, there's they've they were not really and Stephen kind of laid the groundwork for that in the pre JAFT press conference where somebody asked him about some small school guys and he's like, I

think that's just coincident. We we don't have any hard and fast rule. We've had plenty of interesting it. So, but I also think that these kids that they're drafting did some college programs probably missed. And you guys mentioned that these guys if they could Tolbert Smith, they could have gone to other schools. Definitely. You know, these kids probably should have been playing it. You know, Smith should probably been playing at Oklahoma State or something like that.

You know, I'm should have been playing at TCU. That was his hometown. That I'm saying. It's been a big in a Big twelve program. I will remember for a long time that Christian Watson grew up in Tampa, had to go to South Dako or sar excuse North Dakotota. Yeah, even first see that's I'm saying. And you wonder why, Okay, where was We're central Florida. I mean they they're in that same you know thing with Cincinnati and SMU and all those people, and that that happens every somebody. Penning

was a zero star recruit. Josh Allen the quarterback few years back, he was a zero star recruit. So I mean, it happens. And Houston's in that conversation too, like there's some good programs in that man. And I wonder if even though the medical appears to be clear now, I wonder if also some colleges were scared off by the whole knee issue with Tyler Smith Oh, that may have been more of a question at the time he was

getting recruited. Yeah, that's probably gone under discussed because, like because there's just so much debate about the pick of Like this guy was a bow legged like five years ago. That's wild. Yeah, um, got plenty of time to get into that. He will be here for four or five years. Um. I don't think any of this is finalized. But the Cowboys, I mean, we've seen all the names of the undrafted guys.

There's about twenty of them, and just a lot of people have asked if you have any intriguing names, names that jump out to you, Uh, you know, just that sort of thing, guys that you want to see get out here. Karate jazz. Your guy Stewart here, Isaac Taylor Stewart, the guy who is a US degree taekwondo black belt or some saxophone. No, he's he's just obsessed with jazz music. He meditates all the time, like he's he's just a different West personality, West Coast guy. That's my kind of guy.

And traits like I mean, there's these they talked about. We heard it from I think everybody who came in here when they're talking about players, they talked about the height, weight speed parameters, like he fits the height weight speed parameter. He's fast, he's long, he's got good six and I like, personally, I know everybody else like hated the guy apparently. I mean he went on drawing, but I mean I thought like he had natural instincts. He had you know, he

could turn his hips. He could. I mean, he was an impressive player. I gave him a one three six. Yeah, a lot of the draft that did, and then he reversed it went one sixty three. No, I had to pull the Jim Garrett on you there. I'll say this note I had, I had him in the stack. I had Taylor Stewart at one seventy seven of one ninety. I had Malik Davis the running back at one eighty eight. I had Alec Lynstrom the center guard from Boston College at one eighty one. And James Impy. I think that's

a same Boston College. He's a center guard. I had him at b YU at one ninety one. So, I mean of the of the smart they talk about MP being really really smart. Of those guys I had, that's that's kind of where I had my guys he's like twenty five or twenty six. Yeah. Yeah, you get a lot of the older b YU players. Hey, but you're probably I mean twenty five. Tyler Smith just turned twenty one. This guy's twenty five. I mean, think of the growing you do in those in the five years. He's really

impressive with whiteboard work. Apparently people think he's really smart. I'd like to mention do Ontario drumming from Old miss as the wide receiver as maybe I didn't see him. Yeah, like a guy who could play special teams. He has some some decent ability. He's just not fat. It's the forty that's really you gotta you gotta kind of six five. You got a thing for the slower receivers. Huh, you're a David Bell guy. I wouldn't have. Okay, let's not get twisted. I wasn't a big gap. You love Noah

Brown coming out, that's my guy. Watched He watched Mia Brown play against Oklahoma like his game of the game of the year. Take him the first round. Crazy. I also like try fry fogel, fry fogel. Goodness gracious, and that is that's a handful. Yeah, Indiana, he was like really big couple years ago when Dana was winning. No, he's a white wide receiver. Okay, yeah, he wore number three for Indiana and uh he was one of the like big targets, big receivers and then like whenever they

lost their quarterback, his just stock tanked anything. I think Aaron Hansford makes this team linebacker. They will have a couple of guys line Yeah, just pencil and linebacker is the easiest spot. I think they're thin, and they're thin in the depth part. Yeah, and that that's special team's character gift. We always had some sance about time if you wanted to upgrade those spots. Was it size that knocked Lindstrom? So, I mean I think every analyst that I look six three two ninety five. So he's a

little undersized. Chris Lindstrom's brother. Really, there's another one of those. Here's none of those left handed snappers. By the way, he comes from family though of football player. Everybody that I follows had somewhere between a fourth and a sixth on him. So to get him undrafted, I'm intrigued and and empy as well. Well, see that's I'm scene. I have a feeling I have a feeling that the A

C corner some of those guys. I guarantee if you ask Will about this or anybody in the scoun department, they'll tell you that's the first place they go when it comes to trying to get their free agents. Now, they were in an unusual situation where they had to wait, like the draft. That draft was still going when they were done. Yeah you know. So now they're trying to recruit kids while the drafts still going on. And some kid picks up the phone like, oh the Cowboys, No,

we're here recruiting it. Oh, you're not here drafting me. We used all of our picks, but we really love you even though we just to their credit, they got some guys. I mean, I mean, I know they picked off four guys off my draft board that I know. I just I'm such a cynic, like, oh no, if somebody called me and when they were like, god, we love you so much, we'd love to get you down here, I would just be like Tony Romo, eddie with it. Now, I will say, out of my top thirty interior offensive

lineman thirty, I had three guys undrafted. One was Donovan West out of Arizona State, who we talked about. The other two were Alec winst him and James mp So. I like what they did from off the line standpoint a lot. It reminds me, and I think we brought it up there in the draft coverage. It reminds me of them getting Brandon Knight and Mitch Hyatt in the same undrafted class, which, well, you can joke all you want. I mean they got useful snaps out of Brandon Knight

for like two years. Oh yeah, we'll see. This is interesting because, like I said, I was retreading my note about I was just reading my notes about Lyndstrom, you know, and because I was saying he was a left handed center and you don't see many of those guys, but he's got the He doesn't have the sides like of a Creed Humphrey who was a left handed sit and can't see he has, but the footwork and the athletic ability of just staying with this guy and stuff like that.

And I think this guy, when he hooks up on people, he can sustain. Yeah, that's the one thing that I really really like. I mean, he's not gonna you know, he's not gonna get a lot of push. But you know, there were several snaps that said in the in the in the Clemson game that I watched, where they put a nose right on top of him and he was able to handle that. So I was encouraged by that. I thought there was a lot of positives to his game.

You know, Jerry talk about, oh, don't give me a guy that gets rocked back, pushed back and all that. I didn't see this guy being that type of guy for only being sixty three, two ninety six. Any kicker takes John Fossil got his guy with Jonathan Garabay. You know all about this guy, right, I don't know. I don't think about this. I thought this. I thought this was the guy you were. This is not my guy,

the tech kicker. But everybody I talked, sixty two yarder to Iowa State or something boomed one in from sixty two and he was I think he went fifteen to sixteen. Hey, Brett, he went. He went twenty five to twenty seven for his career and fifteen of sixteen as a senior. Brett Maher made a sixty yarder at the end of the preseason to win a job. So yeah, I mean, unless they signed somebody else, it's between him and the guy they already had. Nagar I think as his the SMU

kicker who has taken it. He has attempted one NFL field goal, I believe when he was briefly with the Jets. So I mean not much in the way of Jeff Heath. I mean kicking at this point. For kicking he might have shot. He might. I mean I feel like kickers had to have been lining up to sign here because this is just an obvious chance to win a job. A few that got released. I wonder if they'd look at any of those veterans that got released after the drift,

just just as like training camp would like. I would like to think so, because again, like even what how do you pronounce it? Kyle, I thought that's what I said. I think you said something different. Whatever Garabee. They say Garabe all day is what's something like A would like I would like to he was automatic on pas. Oh, yeah, he missed two in two years, so he's yeah, which fifty nine or forty nine fifty this year? Yeah, I would still like to think they bring in a guy

who's kicked in the NFL. I don't know one combined attempt in the league between two kickers at training campus. Come man, that's not the way bones rolls. It's kind of scary. All right, We've got there's one big question that some people asked me, but I want to save it for the last second. We got. We got one more segment this year. We'll take this break and we'll get right back to it. Tax season is officially over, but Liberty Tax has services to offer you all year round.

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You would have aciate that making some money. That's awesome. We got ten minutes left in this You and r are just puzzled, literally no, literally, just making quizzical faces at me, like what is he doing? I'm like, Bobby's over there, just like not even saying a word. Planet When we get off the air, I just I wanna, I wanna. I want to get right down to it, because I think this is this is something that a lot of people are wondering about coming out of this draft.

The Cowboys lost a lot of talent and free agency from a team that won twelve games, put a lot of emphasis on this draft, and so, I mean, there are varying opinions about the draft, but at the end of the day, I just think the question is is this team better right now than the one that got knocked out of the playoffs in the first round And Obviously, we don't one hundred percent know the answer to that. We the guys aren't even in the building yet. We

got OTAs and a whole training camp and everything. I don't think anybody thought much of, not didn't think much of, but nobody thought Michael Parsons was going to be defensive Rookie of the Year. But even still, I'll give you some leeway to be wrong. But just what is your gut opinion about that? Right now? The talent is not better, I don't think you can say, but is the is

the culture or the personalities? Are the are the play styles and things like that, all the things that going to It's the old Scott Poli line of it's not the best fifty three players, it's the right fifty three players. Like are these the right guys? That's what remains to be seen because they clearly were deficient, and like we talked about the toughness, the attitude, I think they felt like at times they were missing leadership in certain position,

groups and things like that. Do they have that now? Has that been remedied or are you building a culture more of the culture that you want? And if that's the case, then they could be better. But I mean that that just remains to be seen. We can't know that until we start seeing them. You know, worked it. It was evident inside of two weeks who Michael Parsons was. Yeah, and so I think we'll know pretty quick who some of these guys are. And even that's a rare case.

Usually if you're a rookie, if you're a leader as a rookie, then you're a Micah Parsons, And he's as rare as anybody in a first year in NFL role that has ever played the game. Then you turn around most of these guys, if they're going to be quote unquote leaders in that locker room, it would be two, three, four years down the road. But right now, just based off of the personalities and the guys that they've drafted, I'm right there with Bobby. I do not think they're

better from a talent standpoint. Sure there's room for improvement in a couple of areas, especially offensive line. Tyler Smith could come in and be a better offensive guard than Connor Williams was last year. There's a potential for that, isn't the expectation? Maybe not, he would hope it is, but maybe it won't happen. But from a toughness standpoint, I think they are tougher than they were whenever they

concluded the year in the wild card round. Yeah, I think to me, because I was just going through, just looking at the schedule and and you better be better. You better because it looked eay for like two weeks you were like like we got this Tennessee, Tennessee, Green Bay, Cincinnati, Tampa, Indie. Plus you know what you got to deal with with your own schedule and stuff like I mean, with your own division. Um, this the whole, the whole thing. To me, the key of this is going to be the quarterback.

You know, is the team going to be better because of the quarterback? Are they going to find ways to help him? Are they? You know, as this left guard, if we don't have a revolving door at left guard, what's going to happen at right tackle? Are the receivers? You know you've you've lost you know, you lost a pretty big piece there at receiver. You know, are they going to be able to step in replace that? You know what they lost? Defensively? I think that to me,

I trust what's going to happen on defense? Last year, it's taking Oh, this offense, if the defense could just be top fifteen. You know, I trust what's going to happen on this defense, I really do. I trust the coaching staff, I trust the players. I think that'll be fine. I do worry about Kellen Moore. I do worry about the quarterback. I do worry about the Joe Philbin. Then

the offensive line. You know, can they can't? You know, if they don't, if they don't run the ball, or they don't show better balance, you know this this team could be in trouble playing against the teams I mentioned, the Tennessee's, the Green Bay's, the Rams, Cincinnati, Tampa. There could be a lot of those games where all of a sudden, you know, it's you know, they're they're they're

looking at the wrong end of that. If I'm a cowboy fan that wants to put on the rosy glasses and I'm glad you you took the words right out of my mouth, what can Tyler Smith help you with? Hopefully? Yeah? Right away? Yeah? Running the ball, yep, Like that's what he was great at in college. He's six five, three

hundred and thirty pounds him. Zach Martin probably Tyler beotis like, if he can upgrade your run game and get it back to a level where a better balance, Yeah, yeah, if you run, if it's a given that you're going to run for one hundred and thirty two one hundred and sixty yards a game, this team can be very, very successful. That's when they were for they were for

eight weeks. That's when they were at their best. Like, I look, nobody loves winging the ball around the yard more than me, But this team is at its best when they can impose their will in the ground on the ground, and that's I'm sure that's a big part of why they like this guy. If you look at this team and I'm gonna ask this question, and I know that you'll you'll argue with me on this, but I just was curious. Is the quarterback just who he is?

Or is there room for the quarterback to continue? When you say who he is? Well, well, who he is? Like, is he played at an MVP level before? For halfway for halfway through his season? I would argue, like, if you can do okay, okay, is he okaygically forget how

to do that? Okay? But they did for eight weeks. No, I think I think you talked about there was an injury there, there was an injury to the running back, the offensive line story, everything was falling apart at once, and then nobody could the play caller was in the best could be the head coach in Steven see to me. Okay, if that's the case. Again, I asked that question because if you do believe that, you know, this team should be fine if you because I think it's going to

go through him, I really do. I think how he plays is going to because like say, is he going to be able in year seven lift the players around. I'm still honestly waiting for Ceedee Lamb to be what I thought. Now maybe I was dead wrong about Ceedee Lamb as a player, but I'm kind of waiting for that. I'm kind of waiting for what we're seeing at Minnesota, what we're seeing at Cincinnati, what we're seeing at some

of these other places. But if Ceedee Lamb is just maybe Ceedee Lamb is who he is, you know, I think I think the maybe Dak is always going to be what he's going to be. Conversation has been had every single year that he's been in the league. But every single year it's been wrong because every single year he elevates. Now, last year, in the second half of

the season, he went down. But in twenty eighteen, especially the second half of twenty eighteen, he played it away that everybody said in twenty seventeen he wasn't capable of. Then they said, well, that's kind of it, and that's who he is. And then twenty nineteen he stepped in and he played it. And so consistently we asked this question every year, and every year it's been no, he's better than that. And so I feel like again the answer will be no, he's better than that. Kenny elevate

others games. That's what I'm gonna ask you. The only the only example we have is he definitively a guy who people want to compare him to. Now as is he better than this guy is Derek Carr. He made Amari Cooper better than Derek Carr did, Yeah, And so I mean we saw it there. Now made Dalton Scholtz better, Maybe made Dalton Scholtz a ton of money. Yeah. And you at the beginning of this draft process, you said that you didn't want to deal with anything in terms

of the draft plan unless it helped the quarterback. Right. Do you think that they helped their quarterback in this regard well by adding by not having a revolving door left guard potentially, Yes, yeah, I do helps, and Tilbert helps too, I agree with that. And the thing about it is, though me personally, I'm kind of wondering about Like I said, I mentioned Ceedee Lamb and stuff like that, they need, they need some of those. They need Ceedee

Lamb to step up. If it's Ceedee Lamb or the quarterback or the OC or the head somebody needs to get his game going to the point where we're comparing him to some of the top receivers in this league. I've been workshop in this theory for a while now, and nothing they did this weekend did anything to change

in my mind. I think privately, between the quarterback, the overall roster, and the weakness of their division, I think the Cowboys think they're good enough to compete and be in the playoffs and be in that conversation without doing anything crazy this year. And that's what like the vibe I get from this draft is like, Yeah, we feel good about it. This guy can start, this guy can do that. But they'll really start hitting their stride in

the future. I mean, they consider Tyler Smith a tackle in the future, and we know he's not going to do that right now unless some Tyran gets hurt. And so already you're thinking like, Okay, this is about the big picture, and I just think they're in their mind. I think they will be much better in twenty three and twenty four than they are this year. And I think this is a team that's good enough to win the East in twenty twenty two, but probably not what

you would call among like the league's true contenders. And I think in order for them to, you know, if they're gonna be what they're gonna be in twenty three and twenty four, if certain people want to be here in twenty three and twenty four, along with that, they need to show it in twenty two. Yeah, I agree.

See that's the thing. They're not going to say any of this stuff public, no, but that is what I think they Well, okay, but if that's the case, then you're taking a step back because it's the news when I'm playing, and it could be like, well, hey, we don't think any of these guys you drafted the last three years can play. As I've said, I think people internally that last month of the season, when we are not as close as we thought, we were sure, and I think it was a bit of a rude awakening

and they went, Okay, we got to renovate a little bit. Yeah, all that's left to do now is wait and see. I mean, we were having tepid conversations about Mica at this point last year, and to Bobby's point, it took about four OTA practices before I was like, oh, well, no again, that's dan Quinn. Yeah, that's dan Quinn and

the staff kind of figuring out. And it took a really a big injury to one of your better players for them to say we got to play this guy defensive in Yeah, I mean Mike has entered No, absolutely, absolutely. The main point is that we'll wait and see. We'll be right about some things, we'll be wrong about some things. That's the way this goes, guys. That wraps up the twenty twenty two draft season. Um, it's better. Sweet. It was a lot of work, but I really enjoy working

with y'all. I'm glad we did it. Thank you for pinch hitting. Pinch hit with the best of them, like East. He came on in the ninth with guys on the corners and got a double. That's all we needed from you. He did a great job. I really appreciate it. Love working with you guys, really appreciate everybody that listened. Uh, you know, we'll see. We'll be back in January or maybe February, who the hell knows, But for Bobby, Bryan, Kyle,

I'm Dave. Thank you so much for listening. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.