Draft Show: Ready For A Crazy First Round?

David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive producing. Gentlemen, have you recovered from all the things that happened at the end of the week, all those trades of the activity. John Dorsey, my good buddy, Are good buddy? Making a lot of moves? Cleveland Browns no jumping around the short answers, no about Richard Sherman and released things like that a lot and what and we're just getting starts in domin Conzuo, domi con sue. How much money was that, Dave? How much

dead monime was that? Twenty two million? That's that the Internet tells me twenty two million and dead cap on a player. Think about that? Those you know now if you're if you're a Cowboy fan, and we've all we've all been dealing with that right now, we've all been dealing with the Oh, that's why you want to talk about suit and tell everybody to back up off you. No, I you know what I just want. I just want to remind everybody. Let me draft. That's why we do

the draft. Let me draft. You know, I got ten picks, Let me draft. Let me give give me a chance, you know, And you know what, I'm gonna use those ten picks, and I might I might end up with six guys. I might name was seven guys if you're lucky. Yeah, But I'm just saying guys that I want. Got I mean, and I understand DOMI kin soon as Time was a great player. I get it. Oh he's still a great player.

That's not the question ye expense of than he's worth. Yeah, but that's what you get into that, you know, that's what the giants get into. And I tweeted that, yes about Olivier Vernon, I think they're happy given him eighty million dollars now, but don't you think there's a middle ground between giving somebody one hundred million dollars and making Yeah, I'm just saying expectations. You know, everybody goes out cheerleads these huge moves if you're just a little bit smarter.

I'll give the Eagles credit. They were a little bit smarter than everybody last year with their moves worked out good for him. The women's a seven and nine team that hasn't been drafting very well. Yeah, that ten of their twenty two starters were signing free agency or trades, I give you credit for that. The winner of the off season is rarely the winner of the regular season,

that's right. But the postseason, Yeah, you could argue that the Eagles were both last year, just saying you could make that in hindsight, Well, sure, but they made I'm saying like, once the offseason happens, we won't be you know, whoever wins this year's offseason, they probably won't win in the regular season. You're okay with what Cleveland's done. I love what Cleveland's doing. St Yeah, I think giving up a third sixty five for Tyrod Taylor's a little higher

than maybe most expected. But when plenty of other teams were making calls and making offers, that's what you have to do, which Yeah, And for the record, I agree with you for the most part about what you're saying. And I get just as frustrated as anybody about the calls to sign people to one hundred million dollar contracts or sixty million dollar contracts. But I do think there

is a middle ground and the Browns. The one move really stood out to me that the Browns pulled off during that entire snowstorm of trades where I was like, yeah, that's the type of thing you should be trying to do. And it was the Danny Shelton deal. They gave up a third and gain a fifth and send Danny Shelton to New England and New England gets you know, they get I'm sorry, sorry, excuse me. New England gave up a third. Overall, Yeah, they don't see him in their

future plans. He hasn't lived up to it. He goes to New England and can play on a more talented roster and have a chance to make an impact. The Browns gets something for him, and it's a lot I mean, different sort of player, but it reminds me a lot of the Timmy Jernigan deal that the Eagles made last year scheme is a big part of it too. They drafted him to be the nose in their three four and now they're running a four to three. He's not a factor and yeah, and he's not. He doesn't have

those three technique trades. He's also going into the final year of his deal. Yeah, so I mean he could play the one and be a one down player, maybe a two down player. But that's why are you going to pay a guy in the final year of his deal that kind of money when you could trade him throwing a fifth round regain a third next year. Yeah, it's a great move by Dorsey. I would consider doing that deal. And I get maybe he doesn't fit the scheme here, but upgrading, you know, you talk about upgrading

the talent level at one technique. Maybe having a guy that can do that free up people like Malie Collins and David Irving to rush the passer. I'd at least consider it. That's the type of thing I'm looking for. I'm not out looking to sign people to eighty million dollar deals, but they are creative ways you can upgrade the talent on your ros. So the route you would go if I'm listening to you correctly, you would have done the Shelton deal for eighty one? Would you have

done that? Would you have done the Shelton deal for the Cowboys at eighty one? If I get a fifth back in return? Sure, because we've been sitting here talking about how they needed defensive tackle. Anyway, I would, just because I've Danny Shelton's not a very good player. He's an okay player, and I don't know I want more for Plus the fact that he's in a one year deal. I'm not picking up his fifth year option. I doubt the Patriots will maybe maybe who knows. For a one

year rental, I'm not giving up a third. But I get where you're coming from. Would would you let me ask you this? And I'm not supposed to talk about that guy and that's Sky and Seattle schle We've talked about him enough anyway. Okay, but that's I'm saying eighty one? Would you give a one for the rental? Yeah? Absolutely? Okay, Yeah, so you're just talking about the level of player. Yeah, sure, And I'm really I'm mainly using Shelton as an example

because that's who got traded over the weekend. But to your point, you got ten picks. Yeah, they're not all going to make the team, so you don't need to clutch them that type. Well, let me ask you this, and they're not gonna pick ten players. I know that. But with the with the with what you see in this draft, you're just you're you're are you like me, am I being over excited about drafting guys? No, drafting is wholesale. Free agency's retail. Yeah, you know you are drafting,

you get players for a low dollar amount. You're getting guys that you can control. With free agency, you're bidding, you're throwing money out there, and you're you're over paying guys. And free agency a lot of people think that it's a reward for what they've done. No, free agency is you're paying for what they're going to do. And that's the hardest thing in football is to forecast what twenty eight year old guys are going to do for four years into their thirties. And so it's it's just a

tough thing to do in free agency. So if you can avoid it, and most of the good teams they avoid the big money deals they resigned their own, but then they you know, maybe they might make a splash here or there, But for the most part they avoid those big money deals, which you know, just for the record, that's fine with me and that I don't expect the Cowboys to get into any crazy bidding wars, nor do

I think they should. But I do think there are creative and aggressive steps you can take to improve your team, and free agency haven't hasn't even opened, and we've seen that. And honestly, with the exception of maybe giving up Pick sixty five for Tyrod Taylor, I don't think any of these prices have been outrageous. I mean, Jervis Landry was cost a fourth and a seventh. Richard Sherman's deal is so incentive, Lad and it's ridiculous, which I never understood.

Why why are you clamoring for Richard Sherman to come to Dallas? That doesn't make sense to me, but should have gone to visit more teams, Richard Sherman. That's actually

not to plug somebody else's work. But Peter King had a really good story today about how you know he met with them and he kind of you know, he knew his families there well, not only but Amford kid, he's straight up siding he was like, if I leave the office, if I leave this office, the Niners probably pull at least a couple of the things in this deal off the table, and maybe I don't get it back where it was, and I don't know what anybody else.

So it's a tricky it's a tricky thing. But it's fascinating to see the steps teams are taking to improve their team short of just handing out massive contracts. I mean, this feels like a new age. You saw it a little bit last year, but the amount of trades and more willingness to use picks to improve your team, I think it's really interesting, and I think it's a very creative way to improve your roster without giving up your real draft capital. I mean, did a single first round

pick change hands this weekend? No? No, yeah, exactly. So I don't know. I just think it's interesting. You need Minnesota to sign that quarterback, don't you. That's a lot of teams are hoping because if you talk about going up this the top of this draft is going to

be crazy. Yeah. If Cousins signs at Minnesota, the ripple effect that I'll have in the top five of this draft is going to be there's going to be an impact because Yeah, I tweeted this over the weekend and a lot of dielog with a lot of people about it, and it's if Cousins goes to Minnesota, then you're looking at Denver and New York Jets, two quarterback desper teams. Absolutely fIF and sixth good. Jets are really desperate. Two absolutely good chance they trade up into the top three

to get their quarterback. And if that happens, you know, because if you're the Jets, you're trying to get a head of Denver. Buffalo with twenty one and twenty two, they're just traded Tyrod Taylor. They're looking to trade up for their quarterback. It's fifteen eighty on the points if you want to go. If you're Buffalo, you've got fifteen eighty sitting there at twenty one and twenty two. That gets you to Tampa at seven. It might not be enough.

May have thrown a second to get higher. Yeah, Cleveland them getting Tyrod Taylor tells me they're going quarterback at one. I know that's contrary to when a lot of people believe, but you're saying that's what I believe. He's the bridge to whoever, they whatever quarterback they like the best at one, two,

and three. If I'm the Browns, if I'm some of these other teams, I'm hoping we see Cousins of Minnesota because that means good chance Denver, New York Jets, whoever trade up to the Giants number two, who we talked about this before, they need some more draft picks. Getleman wants to play around with some more draft picks unless they've fall in love with a Saquon Barkley. Yeah, Giants. Let's let's go back and talk about what the Giants did. They made a trade for alec ogletreet line back from

the Rams. It feels like a lifetime ago. That cost him a four and a six. That leaves the Giants with five picks in the in the draft. I just don't see Gettleman's He's a scouted heart, he wants picks, and if he wants picks, don't needs to move back to the fifth or sixth pick. Sure you're not bailing. I mean you're still gonna get a really good player after five or six. Who's likely to bail? First? Guys, Jets are assuming the Giants are Colts Bible bail first,

It just comes down to giants. Do the Giants fall in love with a player? You know? Did they fall in love with one of these quarterbacks to be the future? Did they fall in love with Saquon Barkley? Do they fall in love Bradley? Chup? Is there a player? I'd be surprised at that, but sure throw them in there. It just seems like something Gettleman would want to do. What take a lineman, no, trade out of that pick and get picks like, oh no, but That's what I'm saying.

Which which one of those guys, those general managers, Gettleman or I think they both like our guy, our guy bail it. You know, maybe they both came bails. Yeah, oh yeah, maybe it's very possible that both they both have both trades happen because you look at again, Arizona at fifteen and Buffalo at twenty one and twenty two. Let's just say that the Jets trade up to two, which I don't know the whole New York, New York dynamics they would do that trade. But let's just hypothetical.

Say they do that at number and you're Denver at five. All of a sudden quarterbacks go one two, Kirk, you don't have Kirk cousins. Maybe you signed case Keenum and you know that's your short gap, short term option. Okay, are you going to sit there in five and hope your quarterback falls to you? Or do you need to go up to three and to prevent a Buffalo, to prevent an Arizona or another team to trade up and

get that quarterback. If you're Denver, I'm not gonna just cross my fingers the quarterback falls to what if Alan's the quarterback? Very true, possible. If Alan's the quarterback, do they just sit? If that's no, if that's your guy, if that's their guy, If that's your guy, you go get them. Okay. I think it's like your attitude. By the way, it's interesting to uh, you know, it's almost

like a foregone conclusion. People think that Buffalo is going to use twenty one, twenty two, and now sixty five to go get their quarterback, but might have to getting rid of basically all your impact picks in one draft to take a chance on a guy. Yeah, but they're a playoff team last year. Yeah, I know, you you know, I mean it's a good point. Well, it's got That's

where it is. That's where I sit there, and I'm thinking, let everybody else go crazy in the top ten and let Lamar Jackson fall to me at at least like eighteen, instead of me having to jump up to like what if Lamar Jackson goes twelve or you know, I mean, you just these quarterbacks. That's what make this draft, I think, is it's funny because I think this is the weakest first round I've ever covered, at least the weakest one since probably twenty thirteen. Yeah, but it's going to be

the most interesting. See, I'm sitting there. If I'm the Cowboys, I'm going up. Yeah, I'm going up. Let's do it, you know, and and and yeah, let's let's let's let's play in this game. Let's go you know, I mean exactly, let's let's see what's happening up there. I mean, I'm I'm gonna get in the middle of this, you know, And I'll tell you what I'm gonna get in the middle of it, thinking that maybe somebody, somebody else might be there that somebody wants again. You know, you could,

but you got ten picks. I mean, you've given up on free agency in a way. You've allowed guys to walk last year to give you the picks necessary to go move around and get some players. We've all kind of talked about some of these guys. We've talked about receiver, We've talked about safety, we've talked about defensive lineman, talked

about line ackers. What if, in fact, you're sitting there at you know you and you you find a way, you find a way to get to Miami at eleven or anybody, Well, no, no no, no, no no, you you go up to get put a name one single player. You're not going up for anybody. Well, you gave me fifty fifty on Ridley to be there at nineteen. Okay, what if you do something with Dez Bryant. What if all of a sudden that what have a sudden the meeting all that doesn't go well, then he just said they say,

you know we're gonna move on. You better go get a receiver, right, bring you up some money? Oh yeah, if if des isn't on this team, you know, and I'm getting I'm not I'm just I'm not saying I'm just I'm just putting it out there though, that you really like Ridley. I like Ridley. I think you like Ridley. It Stephen Jones told us that the combine. You know, if if they don't get Hitchings between Hitchins and Wilbur, they need two linebackers. So I am if I'm going up,

I love Ridley. I do love Ridley. But if I'm going up, I'm looking at James and I'm looking at Roquan Smith. Those are the two guys I'm looking. I agree, I agree, that's where I'm going up. To finish that, I was just gonna say, you know, if they let go of Dads, they would add a receiver and free agency and still draft one. I think that's my that

makes sense. But those are the two talents that I would really be willing to You could maybe throw Edmonds in there, but I kind of get a vibe like maybe they don't love they I don't know that they would do that for Edmonds. That's just a guess on my part. Yeah, Edmonds maybe the segment. He kind of fits into what I mean, what they're trying to do linebacker, aren't he It's the appeal of Edmonds is he can do whatever you want. Yeah, he could play any linebacker position.

The only thing is again Virginia check Edmonds, who were talking. He's nineteen years old and right you're drafting him for what he's going to be down the road, not for what he is right now. I mean, he's not a great player right now. He isn't. Yeah, he's a good player right now. He's okay, but he still has plenty of room where he needs to get better. Long arms, has no idea to use him Yeah, still you know,

figuring out how to key and diagnose. I mean, he does a lot of things well, but you're rafting him in the top fifteen for what he's going to be down the road, and I'm not sure that fits this team what they need right now. And you don't want to be too short sighted, but at the same time, you want to win it in this upcoming season and you don't want to necessarily put all your chips on a guy that you're player based on potential. Yeah, yeah,

who else? Okay, just what you're talking about then? Real quick? Who else in the top fifteen are you talking about like that? Just James and Roquan Smith exactly, Hughes, No, no, no, no, no, What players are you talking about that are like, oh, he's a project, Brian. He doesn't how how to use his hands. He doesn't, you know, give me some of Marcus da Davenport. Yeah, Marcus Davenport and Tremainde Edmunds are the two that have great potential. Josh Allen. That's why

you consider him top fifteen. But there's a little bit of a there's bus a bigger bus factor there because it's more based on potential than anything else. So you don't want me to go get that receiver, then it fifteen at eleven or I don't mean I don't believe you have to. Yeah, I'd be shocked if you have to go up. I've been driving that Kelvin Ridley bus. Oh you have. But I'm not trading up to eleven to get him just because I well, first of all, he's not that high on my draft board, and fifteen.

I would consider giving up a third to go to fifteen to get him. I would consider it. I'm not forfeiting a pick to get a receiver. Wait a minute, Dave, we got ten of them. But still those those first three rounds specifically are so big. I love them. So we don't play in free agency. We don't The thing that. Why can't we take those picks and go get guys? Why can't you get a receiver somewhere else in the draft?

Like I said, I think it's fifty fifty. He's there at nineteen and so that makes me think you're gonna sit there. It sound like I'm gonna sit Yeah. If I'm trading up, it's for a guy that I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, won't last to my pick. Right, And I don't why we keep going back to a rope and ask you this same You feel like Edmonds with all the things you said about him, will last to nineteen. No, the potential is too great. I don't think he'll fall off, which that's why that's why I

threw him in the conversation in the first place. I just don't know how they feel about him. Yeah, you know, I'm taking these picks. I'm going for I'm going for something. All these names we talked about, I'm gonna go get me somebody. I'm gonna go get me something. He helped his football today. Who do you want the most? I want one name? Smith? All right? Yeah, I want Smith. Are we not thinking of somebody that fits this profile? Other than the three we've already thrown out, maybe four

if you include Ridley at trade up option. Yeah, I don't think they I mean they don't need a corner. I mean, Denzel Ward's Austin, but I don't think they're gonna do that. Everybody thinks his team needs corners. I don't think it does. That's that's the Sherman talk never made sense to me. I was like, I'm not saying any of the guys same, Tremaine Johnson, I don't, Yeah, go get me. What about what about Minca Fitzpatrick falls

a little bit? If he's there at nine playm at safety? Yeah, I've I've got him listed as I've I think I've got him on my board. Is that one? No, I've actually got as a corner. My bad, I'm as a corner. Two. You've been telling me for like three weeks you think he's going forward to Cleveland. So okay, And but let's say these quarterbacks they mess up the top. You know, three picks Chubb is there for the Browns of four. I think that's the direction doors he would go. You

take the pass rusher. All of a sudden, you have a situation where Minka Fitzpatrick. You know, he could slip a little bit if he's there. Not to mention, it wouldn't be a complete surprise if Derwin James goes ahead of Minka. No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't at all. They're not They're different players, they serve different roles. But it wouldn't surprise me anybody at all. So if Minka's there at say just the ninth pick, forty nine ers, that's a that's a possible deal. I like that. I've just

never thought about him falling that much. Well, there's your new name now you're talking. Yeah, No, that's good. That's good, good analogy. Right, way to go, Dane, Yeah, no, that's good. Something else to watch, talk about making deals and things like that. If the Browns do go Chub, you call the Browns to see if Manuagba is available. You thought about him? Yeah, he playing pretty well for them. He played okay, but he got hurt last year. And John

Brown's expert right here, John Dorsey didn't draft him. Yeah, we have no idea how John Dorsey fels always trying to draft him. Yeah, they did. It cracks me up. How like good slash decent players suddenly become bad when they weren't drafted by the people in charge, Like they're just like, ah, get rid of them. The thing is we have that's why there's new general managers there. I know he might not have liked Sure as a player. Sure,

I just I don't know that. It seems counterproductive to like add Chubb to Miles Garrett and then you've got this great third pass rusher and you're just like, get rid of him. But if they if you can get something of value, if they were interested in doing that, that would be awfully interesting. I'm saying, if they do go Chub, that's a call on making sure to see what it would take. Sure I would. I would actually

call him before the draft. Oh sure, Yeah, I'd call him before the draft and say, listen to hey, if you if you draft, if you somehow draft a defensive end high at four, what do you want for uh? What do you want for him? A defensive end high at four? Yeah? Like yeah, so you mean, yeah, say that, but there's only one it would be I know exactly. You don't have to mention the name. You just kind

of throw it out there, gotcha. Yeah, it's football. Football people like to say that like it like they could say Zeke, he could say Zeke Elliot, but like, how about that runner? Like it's you can't just be like, you know, Zeke's pretty good. It's like that runner is pretty good? Set you on fast, the Penn State runner. Yeah, how about that Penn State runner? Yeah? That's exactly how

you h That's exactly how I talk. If somebody called me and said that, I'd be like, yeah, Bradley Chubb, he's the only defensive end that's feasible in that spot. And you're like, no, no, but the NC State Uh, the rusher, Yeah, all right, the sack Man. I'm glad I've got everybody on board about going up in this draft if we could. You gotta keep an open mind.

I think you have to keep a really big open mind because if you're not going to play in free agency, yep, you know to the extent, and you know, and I got ten picks, let me figure out ways to work this to where I can get players like draft go absolutely, boss man, all right, when we come back, we're gonna hit a little twitter on the twenty. Stay tuned. It can be hard to find the right resource for learning

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do appreciate that. I love to go back and watch the comments that are made, you know, the fans kind of talking to each other about players and stuff like that. We do appreciate that interaction. Maybe I can grab a question or two off that, but for right now, we're gonna do a little Twitter on the Twitter League. Go forth there, David Helmet, Thanks Brian brought us kind of goes back to what we were just talking about, you know, whether you trade up, whether you wait players coming off

the board. A couple of questions about this. This one's from Daniel, which he wants to know you're and we've talked about being wiped out before, but a specific situation where it's really like a worst case scenario wiped out and the two players he used as examples, or you know what if you're wiped out and the best two players on your board or Darius Guisson, Lamar Jackson, just players you don't need and don't want to pick, and

I'm hopefully trading out right. Sure, for someone that wants one of those two players specific would you take too if you had to draft one between the other? Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson. There you go. That's kind of a that's kind of a big picture pick right there. If you did it, wouldn't it mean you have a little bit competition. You have a guy that's probably a pretty highly He's obviously on your board in a good position. Nobody loves

Dak Prescott more than I do. But if he if it fell that way, and I mean if he fell there, I feel like you could get out of the pick and trade. But if if for some reason you couldn't, I would just say whatever, you're going to do this and builds your wide receiver need right, yeah, wow, hush your mouth. You can't play two quarterbacks at once. You just you let the kid, let him grow. You You put the one that's on a five year deal behind the one that's got two years left on his contract

and make moves accordingly. I'd put them on the field, find them ways to get on the field somehow somewhere. Let me ask you this though, now that what we did from the first segment that we had, are you going to let yourself be wiped out. Well, let myself and I appreciate Daniel's question too. I like the spirit of it, but in the first round, I'm not gonna let myself be wiped out. I don't think you can

genuinely be wiped out. Yeah, you'll, it doesn't matter if it's you know, plan F. You're gonna have a backup plan. There will be a player there that you feel fine about drafting. Sure they did with Taco last year. We didn't, but that was a twenty eight at nineteen. Yeah, somebody you feel pretty good about, like one of your best second round grades or one of your final remaining first

round grades should be there. I mean that's just common sense. So, and especially with you, imagine at least five, if not six, or seven players you don't want will go off the board between the quarterbacks and Barkley. So that's helping you too. So I don't think you can genuinely be wiped out. But that wouldn't stop me from trying to trade up if it fell the way I wanted it, like a guy like DJ Moore, Like I'd be shocked he went ahead of nineteen, But but you got him on your

ally third on your board. But if we get wiped out, I'd rather have DJ more than I like Will Hernandez a lot. Yeah, but the two names he gave, the two names he gave, I think we got the right guy. Jackson, Yeah, Jackson. I mean, it's just common in that scenario. I'm not saying they should draft him, but that would just be common sense. You get a quarterback on a five year deal. Who I mean, you can put him on the field in packages, you could put him, you could steer him.

If something happens to Dak, we might be doing the draft show next year talking about a quarterback. Absolutely, And the counter argument to that is, Dak Prescott goes out and has a Pro Bowl season this year. You have options. Yeah, I want to say, now you have a bargaining chip, absolutely, big time bargaining chip there you go for Dak when you try to resign him, as well as what you're gonna do with Lamar. I mean with Dak, you have options. Yeah.

Absolutely So if given those two options, yeah, that's the right pick. Burke wants to know, take a guess. We talked about this in the first segment too. He said, how many of their how many of the Cowboys ten picks do you think they'll still have when the draft starts? And how many do you think they'll have used when it's over? So he said, you know, you think they'll do any deals before the draft or how many deals do you think they'll do during the draft? Interesting? I

think that they'll go I don't. I think they'll start the draft with the ten and then when they get on and then when when the draft starts, then the phones will start. I know they're gonna lay chum in the water. I know they're gonna lay some chum in the water for before this thing starts. But I don't see them doing a deal where there's going out and giving a fourth round pick for somebody Right now, I think I think it's I think it's gonna be more about Okay, I need to get to I need to

get to eleven. I need to get to fifteen. I need to get to you know, sixteen. I need. I need to get somewhere that that's gonna happen. That's gonna happen. As the draft roles, we're gonna be talking about it. We're gonna be here in the room and the next thing I know, I'm gonna look up over here, over across from Dan as he's explained something, and then I'm look down and see Dallas is now on the clock,

and that's when we'll know. Yeah, but I think they start with ten and as the days wears, as a day wears on the three days, they're gonna move when they can move well. And yeah, I was gonna say, you know, it's fun to think about the first and second round, but don't throw out the possibility of you know, they're gonna try to get to pick one forty five instead of one seventy one or whatever. Right, random guess how many players are they coming away with undrafted? Eight?

I think eight would be the number seven seven, seven or hand that's seven was my first thought. Maybe I see what you're seeing with eight. I bet that what I bet they do two trades, one in the first two days and no one in the first day, one one in the first three rounds, and one on day three. That would be my guess. I think, sen Yeah, maybe, so yeah, maybe mixed it. Sense Um. This is a question that we've talked about before, but I wanted some

fan perspective on it. Austin, I think like there's a subsect of Cowboys fans that want Harold Landry in the mix. We've said before, I personally don't see it, knowing what we know about what they did last year, but Austin wants to know to seeing t J. Watt's success in Pittsburgh, maybe change that line of thinking. I mean, it's would Harold Landry be a consideration now where maybe he wouldn't have been even a year ago. What is TG Watt done that you didn't expect? I mean, yeah, I don't know.

I don't. I mean, you could argue they didn't expect it because otherwise they would have drafted. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Actually, it was brought up in that room. It was brought up. Yeah, the one side presented to the other and the other side didn't think that they wanted a project. That's why the group, the group part did say a guy who had six saxes and rookies a project though, that's what the That's what the one

side thought. I know, so I maybe I'll be wrong, but like I said this on one of the Combine shows, I just I don't look at anything Harold Landry brings to the table and think that they would draft him if they didn't want Watt, right, I mean, I know that's a fair assumption. Landry put his hand on the ground more often in college, But you're still talking about the same type of athlete. Yeah, pen your ears back, screamed to the rusher going to have some hiccups versus

the run a little undersized. Yeah, it doesn't fit the profile. Again, we kind of pointed out not too different than the Marcus Lawrence in terms of just you know, measurables. But yeah, it just doesn't seem like that. That's the dimensions they want.

The position is a really good football player. We're ensuring that he'll be the pick, I mean again, and then we'll talk about him in a way and if he goes on it plays like Wat, it will be another example the Draft Show kind of leading you down that path. That was a good question, though, um our friend of the show, Tom, this is a report that's that's out there.

Um Brian Price resigns exclusive rights free agent. The one Tackle looks says, though he's back for twenty eighteen, does that change your view of d tackle as a priority or really, you know what you would do in that regard? No, I think there's I think there's plenty of good one techniques in this draft. I am not letting Brian Price deter me he's not getting one of those guys. He's not just shutting shutting down the competition. Oh no, no. And if you know, if hey, if the more guys

you can have the better, let him compete. But there's too many good one techniques in this draft to sit there and say, Brian part Price is going to make me not think about these guys. This is a this is a they had exclusive rights, they got it done. Correct me if I'm wrong. He's coming off a knee. Yeah, yeah, I mean, so didn't stimond like a guy that was sixteen games, you know, appeared in sixteen games last year. And sure he's not stopping you from drafting. Not at all, anybody,

Not at all, not at all. I agree with this question from b who reminds us that Memphis is Anthony Miller feels like the forgotten receiver in this draft right now? Do you think that there will be more hype around him after his Pro day? He didn't, I mean, he didn't do any running at the combine, and he's he had the jones fracture in his foot he suffered in the bowl game. Uh, he's cleared to work out, so you know, health he should be okay the pro days

not until like April six. Yeah, I mean it's like the last pro day. It's like the last two pro days. So yeah, I mean I think the I mean, it's kind of how the draft works. It's, uh, you know, whether it's social media driven, fan driven, whatever. Guys get aren't talked about as much when they're not on the forefront of our computer screens or TV screens, but all of a sudden, once they are, oh yeah, you know, and he gets propped back up. But Anathew Miller, I've

said this from the start. He's the top senior broade receiver in this draft and a guy that you hope is there a fifty for you, but not a guarantee by any mean. The good thing for him is though he's going to be able to work out before the draft, and well before the draft, people are sitting down starting to set their boards. They'll at least have numbers. How many times have we seen guys working out like two days, three days, all of a sudden, we don't know who

is it? Last year that didn't have a time. It was somebody that we kept struggling with it. I'm sorry, I don't mean to throw you gut Corey Davis. Corey Davis him to do. Yeah, I didn't do much, did Coy. That's exactly right. I think I think you're right about Corey. We didn't really have a time. It was real late, right, and then all of a sudden, it's like, but we still thought enough of the player where you had to take him and all that. I don't I don't think

Corey Davis didn't anything really like the substantial. So yeah, with that being said, yeah, at least he's going to get the opportunity to work out for teams well before the draft that they can have an idea real quick. Anthony Miller, Courtland, Sutton, Equaminius, seeing Brown or they're at fifty he had taken I'm taking Miller. I'm gonna rank him for you. I'm gonna go Miller, Sutton, Saint Brown. That's that's my three foreign five receivers behind Calvin really

in DJ Moore. So I'm with you, shocking that y'all's opinions line up. Yeah, never, he's a better scout than me. It really is. There's there's guy, there's guys that there's guys I trust doing this, Like serious, I said this about Kavanaugh. He Kavanaugh understands receivers for some positions he's crazy on, but he understands wide receivers for some reason. And I listened to him when he talks about and he's driving that Michael Gallop train. He is driving that

Gallop train. But anyway, that's it's what you got to do in a room. That's true. Some guys are really good at certain positions, and when they say it, you're kind of like, all right, all right, yeah that guy. Yeah, okay, okay. You feel a little bit better about what you're doing when you line up with somebody who knows what the

hell they're talking about. Talking about receivers who didn't get a chance to work out for before the draft, you just hope Dante Pettis doesn't fall that category this year. That Washington he didn't get a chance to work out of Washingtons pro day over the weekend. Cowboys met with him exclusively after the pro day, So just something to keep an eye on there. Dealing with an ankle injury wasn't at the Senior Bowl didn't work out, the combine

didn't work at the Pro Day. You just hope he's able to get on the field at some point before the draft, because you know, he's an interesting Day two pick. I'll tell you what thing though, he's one of my favorite ones to watch. I loved watching him play at Washington. I know, Washingtons kind of get a little bit. You know, there's some players they've had that look really good on tape and then they get in the league and there

hadn't been as good. But I mean, he's one of those guys that when you I mean he was in that mix of those second round receivers when when I was initially watching the tape. Speaking of forgotten players, Zach wants to know about Arkansas guard Frank rag Now where you stack him up see a consideration. I was a little disappointed when I watched him and I studied him. I don't know, I was expecting better center of guard. That's a very legit debate. Yeah, you could argue his

best tape was a guard. Yeah, I played Alabama. I know in that game. I think of watching him at Alabama play against Alabama play guard and actually looked a little bit better. I kind of I didn't see a really good athlete, you know, for in my center. I lean my center to be a pretty good athlete if I could. It's you know, kind of a close you know really, I mean we talked about these the kid

at Ohio State. You know, they get they get yeah, Billy prits, they get real close, and they they're trying to kind of control and block and kind of get thrown around a little bit, you know right now just yeah, it's two up and down. It's just yeah, it's not as consistent playing. I mean, I when I first saw him, I was thinking, Okay, there's gonna be a better he's gonna be a better player, he's gonna be one of my he's gonna be the top three of my my centers.

And I really didn't. I mean, all of a sudden, I started I started liking guys a lot better. I mean, I know you got on me a little bit about the kid from UCLA Quisenberry, But I have I have like Daniel's Price Quiz and Barry Cole Cole from Michigan and then Rag now as my fifth guy. So I yeah, I think he'll probably play again as I'm saying all these negative things about him. He'll play twelve years in

the league, one of those to be one of those guys. Yeah, because there's nothing pretty about the way he plays, all right, But one of the main selling points on him is guys great in locker room. He's, you know, the mean spirited leader, not afraid to get on teammates. I mean, the part of the appeal with rag now and one of the reasons I think, you know, he has a chance to be a top three center in this draft, right, But yeah, I agree. I expected more when I watched

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periscope wanted to know, uh wanted to know. Brian her Nandi's asked this this. He says, if you had to guess, when do you think we'll hear about Scandrick or death? Just taking a question off the periscope there for our fans, so well, I'll let you answer that question soon one way or the other. I mean, you know, I think those are the those are the two most commonly referenced guys when it comes to you know, maybe you know roster moves, releasing them, maybe trying to trade them if

you can get something for um. I don't you think a lot sooner than I mean, this thing is not going to drag into free agents in three weeks. The Cowboys in recent years have loved to let this stuff play out, but I don't I don't think so espe like, especially in the case of death. I mean, if you're gonna do you're gonna do something with him, you need to do it because you need that money to invest in other positions. If you're gonna let go of your number one receiver, So you know, I don't know, I

don't know if that means today or tomorrow. Or like next week. But I think I said this. We did the break last week and I said to Derek, I think I think those situations will be resolved by the end of March. Yeah, at least Dez like one way or the other. They're gonna, you know, they're gonna decide to keep him or restructure him or let him go, whatever they want to do. I think it'll be done by the end of the month. There you all right? Goodness, Okay, well,

let's get into a little tell Me More, David. I'll throw it back to you after you take a sip of that coffee. I'm gonna be very transparent with y'allum. I had I was. I had a long weekend in Austin, Yeah, with some friends of mine, my buddies getting married, so we did a bachelor trip down there. So the grooms didn't want to know about tell Me More, guys, No, they don't. But I just kind of tell me More fell between the cracks while in Austin. But no, I mean,

I'm ready, all right. But I took fans more than say I took fan requests for tell me More got you? This week got you? So these are coming from fans who wanted to know about specific players go ahead rather than myself. I was good about the fans. I have no problem with the fans. So we're gonna start off. But I am actually really interested in this guy. I've heard this name a couple of times, the little brother of Kevin White, West Virginia safety Kazir White. Tell me more.

I'n't sure which little brother you're talking about. There's two of them in this draft. Yeah, yeah, a lot of little brothers. It's fascinating because all three have taken the same path from Lakawana Community College to West Virginia and hopefully now that the NFL. But Kaiser is the only one that kind of went to defense. So it's Kaiser. Excuse me, not Kazir. Sorry, yeah, Kaiser. I think it's Kaiser now that, now that I see that, Yeah, I mean, okay, all right, there we go. I think you like him

more than I do. I feel like I'm missing something on him because I'm not a fan, because you don't. You don't like physical players that can't cover. Hey, I'll tell you what though. That's the thing about it is, though, you mean, I'm looking right now through my notes. I think a lot of it. You're right. I mean, I'm not gonna say that you're completely right, but I feel

like that the tackling, the physical part. I thought the coverage is I said, you think he lay out to make some place, meaning you know that he'll he'll do whatever he has to do to make a play. I did. And I see where you're talking about this because the change of direction was a question for me. And if you have a problem with change of direction, generally you don't cover very well if you don't have that ability

to laterally play. But I this is a guy I think the Cowboys actually are interested in, believe it or not. And it's strong safety. Yeah yeah, And again this is just whispers you hear down the road. But I'm I'm I just kind of think of him as a physical player that'll chase, that'll hit, he can stop his the ball, carry his tracks. I'm just looking again at my notes, But I mean I saw him making plays through the trash, react to the ball again, and the coverage aspect of it.

I don't disagree with you, because again that the change of direction stuff is is is something that it drew to my attention. Yeah, that's that's the biggest word because he played basically linebacker's Yeah, he was that spur defender. Uh played like our Arizona, our Arizona guy. Yeah, k dame krukshenk kkschenk. Yeah. I feel like he can actually cover and he tested well to shank and cover. No. Yeah, I just worry about him being here. And he's more

of a tweeterer. He's not a linebacker, and he's I don't know if he's really a true strong safety. So when he gets stuck in that middle ground, that that's what I worry about. So, um, I don't know. I have him. I gave him a four or five. Yeah, I have I have him the fourth round. Okay, I'm not acting like that. He is gonna his measurables are he's roughly at he's six o one seven, he's about six two to eighteen. He hadn't worked out yet, so

he hasn't done anything. Thirty five done the vertical though. It's funny with some of these guys when they don't work out at the combine, they hire something, usually a reason for you're hiding something. It's funny when he did the forty, did the straight line stuff, but uh, three cone. I'll wait on that. Work on three cone. Yeah exactly. This is a guy I've actually seen with my own eyes,

but I trust y'all's opinions more than my own. But tell me more about Indiana linebacker to Gray's scales, go ahead. Dane good playeric productive player in the Big Ten. Uh didn't have the senior season. I was hoping he would because I really liked what he did as a junior, But because he had, his upfield production was more impressive than in reverse. And that's kind of my big worry with him. Is he we know we could get after the quarterback and play down hill. Can he play in reverse?

Can he you know, cover backs out of the backfield? Is he that type of player? I'm not convinced that he is. But he had some struggles against Sequon Barkley. Again, I think we mentioned that with every you know, Josie Jewel, every linebacker. But he's a good player who adds immediate depth. And I don't know if he's a starter, but he's at least going to push the starters at some point.

Watched him play against Penn State Perdue in Michigan State, and I thought he was a pretty good tackler, you know, but he'll get she struggles when he gets hooked up on people too, you know, and that's that's a little bit of a problem when he you know, he can get a little caught out of position. I thought he got bounced some too, which bothered me about him though. And I didn't see great quickness, you know, and the coverage aspect. Again, he's kind of a stiff moving guy

when you watch him play. So I was thinking, Okay, give me a guy if he's going to be a tick over six foot two hundred and twenty eight pounds or so, give me a guy that's got some some of the ability to cover and do things like that. But I was kind of feeling like that he was more of a down the line guy, day three guy, late day three guy, more than a guy that would be early in day three. Forty six tackles for loss

in his career. That's third best in school history. Yeah, trying to be the first Indiana linebacker draft since nineteen eighty eight. Yeah, I know he could find the ball. I mean, there's no problem about that. But again, there's things there's times when you I just didn't see the ball would get to the outside, and he was like a step slow getting there. Because do you think it's being mental or physical physical? I agree because ball awareness he Oh no, he could see it right. I agree

with you that. Yeah. And I saw him over run some plays though too, So I don't know. I just I wasn't as high on him maybe as you were there. Oakland corner Sean Smith is another CAP casualty, just signed a huge deal like a year or two ago. Yeah, I didn't love up to it. Grin's going in there and hacking that thing up. Tell me more about South Florida receiver Marquez Valdez Scantling. It's an awesome name. It's fun to say. It is he I need. I need to go back and do more work on him because

of what he did at the Combine. You know. Yeah, he tested really well and was at the Shrine game. He was at I know he he turned some heads. Uh. This is a guy who can give vertical he stretch out the field. Uh. Quentin Flowers loved them. Obviously it's South Florida. He's your They had another one last year. Who was the wide receiver from South Florida last year? Was it Rodney? I didn't know what I had for breakfast? Say,

why do you put me on the spot. He's that's kind of similar mold where he's a back end of the roster wide receiver, a guy didn't get vertical down the field. You hope maybe you can settle into like a fourth wide receiver role. Yeah, this is crazy. Crazy numbers kids, six four, two hundred and six pounds long stride er. Yeah, you're gonna four. The electronic was four three seven four four two. So if you take all his numbers with the hand held times and you split him,

he's a four three eight guy. Y'all sound like you're describing like great value Bryce Butler, just like Rookie Bright. It's crazy again, here's Dane. He's right. He did no shuttles or three comp by his own choice. So you're kind of wondering, Okay, he just he's a straight That's what I'm saying. He's a vertical guy. He's a guy that you want down the field, you know, not going to help you out as much underneath. Let him stretch out the field. You hope that maybe he can grow

develop into a fourth worde receiver. But the numbers that he put up with the combin is gonna make me go back. I haven't gone back yet. I need to go back to the tape and see anything I'm missing here. And I have him right the first time because those noose numbers were a little better now a little strange though. He's thirty and a half on the vertical, thirty and a half, he's got those long strides. But six four guy, Yeah, that's lower lower body explosion, not something not so much.

See those are those are the numbers that all make you just kind of go. I mean, I'm not trying to bag on the guy, but no, we're not. No. But but I'm like, how how much more work do you need to do? No? Not much. I mean I will spend ten minutes just to make sure, Oh, you can trust me. When we walk out of this room, he'll walk upstairs and that first thing he'll do is look at this guy. Probably, but he's I mean, he is kind of what I didn't expect in the run

of for three. I didn't either based on what I did not either. So just because of that, I'll go back and watch but not not running the three cone, not the lower body explosion. Yeah that matches up, because again I thought he was a guy a long strider get down the field, but I didn't see four three. But hey, good for him. We've got some aggy listeners. I'm guessing because we've definitely covered our money Watts. He was a senior bowl guy. Yeah, but somebody wanted y'all

to tell him more about our money. I love the best line I've heard about a player. When we started this process, when we were talking about a Mony Watts, Dame Bruger described him as a sometime player. Yeah. I'm pretty sure we've covered that phrase on this show. It's exactly what it is. That's what he is. Sometimes he's really good and sometimes he's not. Sometimes looks great, sometimes looks terrible, and it's just it's hard to get a feel for who he is. Who's the real or Money Watts? Yeah,

because you do. You do see him makes some really incredible plays, and then you're like other wines pass and the run. Yeah, but then you're going, then there's other wines where you're going, oh, they can't be him, Yeah, oh it is him. You know. You's like, oh somebody else, somebody, Oh that's somebody else. Yeah, no, no, you do, and then you and then you see the towel in the short socks and all that, and you go, oh, that was him missing tackles, out of position and coverage. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's funny because Aggie fans will they'll they'll fight you. Someone will fight you about him though. Oh well sure, but they but they I'll tell you what, Texas fans and Aggie fans have gotten better about their players. They used to be Texas fans, and now you talk about Jefferson, they they're like, yeah, you got him right. I did Austin Radio at the Combine and the guys were like, you got him right. Talk to about Texas fans about the Shawn Elliott and yeah, play on your hands. Yeah,

so much Texas fans. Now, you know what I'm not I'm not gonna go there. I'm not gonna open that cannon. Did they fought you on Connor Williams at all? No? Because I think everyone's perplexed with Connor Williams, you know, because what is he The two and seventeen season was just a wash and do you rely on the twos and sixteen stuff? Is he better tackles? A better guard? There? Connor Williams is a tough one to figure out. And I think Texas As are included in that mix trying

to figure them out. I'll say it. Texas fans are delusional when they know their team is good, but they know their team's not good right now. And Aggie fans are delusional all the time, often than not in my opinion. Sorry, Ken, I'm sitting in here yet. Yeah, I know you are to ask you about the can I ask you? Have another one? You can? I ask him one? I got another one. But if you'd rather go somewhere else, you got u Florida State linebacker Matthew Thomas. I didn't like

him at all. Okay, let's not talk about moving on a talk about the Nebraska The Nebraska corner safety Calu Calu. Yeah, yeah, because I watched him the other day and and I looked at shoot and I'm like, man, do you feel like you missed some tackles? Oh? Yeah, you miss some tackles, There's no question. But man, the guy can cover. I mean, he could cover well enough to where I don't know if I play him as a one of those like press corners or do I play that's safety, you know,

And I don't know. I mean, you watch him play. He's got this. Let's give the full measurement, the full name in all that way, well said the last line of my report on Calueklue. Overall, Clue will be considered a cornerback for press heavy teams, but he also projects as a free safety or a big nickel defender. Yeah, so I think that for yeah, teams that love the press,

Joshua Calu is a kid's name. Seems that Neska teams that love the press, they'll, yeah, they'll look at him as a corner, no question, because it was a length because he'll go up and be physical with a line of scrimmage. But for teams that aren't strictly pressed man heavy, I like him better as the big nickel, a guy that can stand up and cover. You don't want him necessarily in the box a lot because again an issue for sure, but again he also was a corner most

of his career, moved to safety as a senior. I do think he can get better in samara because it's not a physicality issue. It's more of a just coming to balance and you know, sharpening his angles, and I think he can get better in those areas. So it just depends on scheme where you're gonna play him, because I think he has some skill set you can work with. It just depends on the scheme you run a little bit of versatility there. Yeah, I don't disagree with you there,

I really don't. I mean I thought again the coverage aspect of it. When when when he played in tight coverage, Oh, he was really really good. When he plays safety, he plays off the screen. He plays like really deep and you're watching a pedal and he pedals really well. He pedals, he brags, he you know, all those things you want to. You know, there's some safeties that can't do that. And maybe that's the corner training with this kid, right, He's

a corner up until the senior year. So maybe that's why he looks so good doing I didn't know the total history about him. Yeah. Well, and he had over two hunder tackles in his career, so I mean, yeah, he missed two hunder tackles. Two In the tape I watched, where are we drafting this guy? I had him in with the last with the second fourth round pick, so exactly, I gotta I'd say he is he's a fourth round player.

I just fourth fourth rounds fine for project guy, but like gall, it sound like you're talking about a project guy and a little bit because he can. Is he a project guy when he covers that, I mean when he can come like that. But no, he just he needs to get better in areas, there's no question. But that again, I keep saying tackling, and that was where I just I mean I watched two, three, four times a game where I went, oh, don't miss that one, don't miss it, and he did and so yeah, but

I don't. I don't disagree with you about the player. I really really don't. Yeah, you doan say anything quick about the Thomas kid. I don't want to interrupt someone's uh, Matthew Thomas. Matthew Thomas. Yea, he was. He's a big five star guy when he came out of high school and he's always been a great athlete. Injury troubles, he had suspended for a stretch. Uh. He led Florida Staton tackles the last two years. But there's there's so much inconsistency there. I mean, I'd take a shot on him

late in the draft. Yeah, I'm not going to draft him higher than six or seventh round. Hard he's a good looking guy physically he really is at six two almost sixty three two and thirty two pounds. The problem with it he loses the football. Yeah. A lot of times I'm watching playing, I'm like going there, it goes, you know, and it's not a trade I want in my mind. But I mean he is. He's got a burst. He's a little bit of a side tackler. You know, he doesn't take guys on square and wrap him up.

He's a little bit on the side on there. But you know, I thought that he did some good things as far as blitzer with pressure, cats a ball, skills, some change of direction. Better athlete I think than he is a player. Final line on my report overall, Thomas as a speed and toughness for the NFL, but instincts and playmaking skills are absent from his college tape. Well, that will close us down for the draft show. Hey, by the way, Tommy John says a couple of words

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