Draft Show: Re-Assessing Needs

David Hellman. It's Tuesday, March fifteenth, twenty twenty two. Just like we predicted all along, a whole hell of a lot has changed since the last time we did an episode of the Draft Show. I'm David Hellman. I am joined as always by my guys, Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans. Let's just get right to it, guys. I mean we're not, you know, we're not really here to get into the weeds of the Dallas Cowboys necessarily. But some stuff has happened which has changed the draft. Um,

where do you want to start? Amari Cooper is no longer scheduled to be a Dallas Cowboy. I guess that trade won't be finalized until Wednesday, when the league year opens. But the widely accepted report is that he's off to Cleveland the Cowboys, gaining a fifth round pick pick and swapping sixth. Yeah, we can start, Okay, well that's an interesting reaction. We can start there, or we can mention what else? What else has happened in this world? Yeah?

There we literally as we were prepping for this show fifteen minutes ago, reports that Randy Gregory has agreed to a five year extension, probably more like a two year extension if I had to guess, But Randy Gregory back with the Cowboys. DeMarcus Lawrence restructuring or redoing his deal. Really, it's not a restructure, and it's it's an entirely new contract. So you've got your edge rushers back for twenty twenty two.

Malie Hooker agreed to a two year contract this morning, so you've got at least one of your top three safeties back in the fold. Uh. Jake McQuaid can't forget the long snapper. I think that's I think that's everything major that's happened since we last spoke. Guys, where do you want to start? I think we should No, I shouldn't have given you the option. Oh, we need to start with Amari Cooper. That is the one I think that most drastically impacts the draft. A because the Cowboys

have changed their draft capital. B because they now have a pretty glaring hole on their roster where they didn't take the floor or somebody, what do we got? What do we think? You know? I would just say Skymore of course, there we go. Great is a great name. Check that box. Now we're a gett. Can we get odds in Vegas somewhere on saying that name? The show? Yeah.

I think that the Cowboys will use a one of their first three picks on a wide receiver, and by the time we get there, everybody will be tired of hearing the names. Because as an unemployed guy, I'm doing some freelance stuff for d magazine, and so I just wrote an article that'll go up where I went through rounds one, two, three. Here are the targets. Here are the guys who could be Cowboys. One of these guys will be a Cowboy. So you know, if you let us just fire off fifteen names, I can tell you

who your number three wide receiver is going to be. Brian. We've been talking about Amari Cooper potentially not being on this team. For eight weeks. Now that it's happened and they did manage to pull off a trade, albeit for not wonderful compensation. I mean, how do you feel about I think that's kind of the world you live in when you telegraph that you're unhappy with a player with

that size contract, how do you feel about? I think overall, though, this was one of those things where we're learning and I was talking some guys in the league about this, that the high ticket guys it's more really about money, and I think the things the questions that people have is like, Okay, this guy's not a twenty million dollars player if that's to them, you know, And so you know, people were not really interested in giving a lot for you know, somebody that they kind of felt like that

maybe this was too much, you know, and then the Cowboys obviously had their idea. The Cowboys, I mean, they settled on what they settled. They were interested in moving on. That's clear there. I think that I could say it when you look at the draft now in relation to it, I think Jeff's right about this, and to me, it's it's going to be fascinating as they stack their board how high they have receivers, Do they have receivers higher than they do, say guards, or maybe potentially even a

tackle on that board. So I think you could kind of kind of look at it. It's two ways. Now, it's either going to be a wide receiver or it's going to be an offensive lineman there at twenty four, which and if the board falls that way, I think that's certainly a possibility at wide receiver at twenty four. But it's also weird because of the Gallop deal also thrown in there as well, because he's coming back and you do have Ceedee Lamb still in the fold. So

do you want to spend a high draft pick? Do you want to spend the first round pick on a wide receiver when you've already had a seventeenth overall pick on your roster and youre could be wide receiver three if you go pick at twenty four, would be getting paid sixteen point two million a year. That's exactly where I was going, Kyle, And so apologies to Michael Gallup sort of that's glossed over the fact that he signed his own five year deal on Sunday night, twenty four

hours after the Cooper trade. So you have a you have a pairing of Ceedee Lamb and Michael Gallup for the foreseeable maybe you know, and you know, with the way you said it though it you know, if you feel like because we were going into last season thinking that three wide receivers was the way to attack the league and maybe it's not. Maybe maybe maybe you know, maybe it's on your quarterback too, Maybe it's on your OC.

We can get in all that another day, another show, but maybe it's a situation where they say, you know, hey, you know, I feel like that wide receiver would be in play, but maybe they say, hey, this three wide receiver attack that we keep talking about is probably not the way to go in this day and age. Though you still, even if you don't want to run eleven personnel all the time, you need a quality third receiver, right absolutely, But do you take a quality third receiver

at twenty four? So that's the question me personally, because I'm interested, and i'm you know, will they do it? Let's see, I would be interested to know how they stack their board with the receivers on that board as opposed to the offensive lineman on that So let's just go and we know because a defensive end to me is out. Oh yeah, that's out with Randy and DeMarcus

both year for multiple years. I don't know the terms of Randy's deal yet, but I would imagine twenty eight million guaranteed five for seventy, so it's probably in real life two year twenty. You've probably got a two year out on Randy. They definitely have a two year out on DeMarcus. His guarantees are done after the first two years of his new deal. So but those guys are in place for two seasons. So I don't know how you justify it a first round pick on an on

an edge rusher right now. But going back to that, I'm just curious what you think. And again, this has all happened in the five days since we've done a show. Plenty more is gonna change. They're gonna add some more guys, they'll bring some more guys back. They're gonna lose a couple if they sign curse that takes them out of safety. So I'm starting to eliminate positions, is what I'm doing.

I think you're absolutely right. I think interior offensive line or maybe offensive line as a whole, and receiver are the two big trouble spots that I really they might think defensive tackle too, would be a problem that one in the first round. Linebacker could be very well thinking the first they're looking at high in defensive tackles. There's so where do you go? I'm trying to ask the question. I appreciate y'all not letting me get there. Where Where

do you go? I think wide receiver in the first round would be a stretch for me, but it's not out of the question. Is ultimately what it is. If you have one of these guys, Let's say Burke's out of Arkansas is your guy, he's your and he's there at twenty four, don't hesitate make the pick because you like him that much. Don't force a wide receiver at twenty four when you can upgrade so many of these

other positions. But in the second, in the third round, if you want to go get a wide receiver at fifty six, if you want to turn around and go at eighty eight, I'm fine with that. I think that's where the value might lie in this because you're not necessarily in search for a number one wide receiver. You're in search for a guy to be a back end developmental prospect underneath Michael Gallup and CD Let me ask you a question then about this. How many wide receivers

you have in the first round. I'm talking about you four four. Here's your last one. Let's see, probably a love Okay, would you have a Lobvy over? Now we're talking about a team the last couple of years that's taken the best player on their board. Do you have a lobby over any of those guards? No, not Linderbomb nor Green. Okay, I would rather take either one of those.

What about Zion Johnson? I would take Zion over all. Okay, that's that That's might be what they're getting into now, that they would rather have that, They would rather have the center or the guard. To me personally, yeah, you personally? Me personally though, the only one that I would take over one of those wide receivers offensive line wide would be Linden Bomb. That would be the only one I would take out of all four of those guys. Ye,

all right, So let's lay them out. Traylan Burke's, Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson. Who am I forgetting? Is the fourth? Yeah? James will I did say, So those four you're taking all four of those over everybody but Tyler Linder bamb pretty much. Yeah, OK, Jeffrey, I don't have a first round I don't have a first round guard, right, I don't. But I mean when you're picking at twenty four, it's not really a first round player anyway. That's good point. Yeah, I just wouldn't cute it up. I would take the

best player. I don't think there's anything that's off limits to them. I think if they're best player available, plays defensive end, that's a valuable enough position. There's plenty of snaps available. I mean, if I would pick them, of course, you're not wrong. And with the money that the money that just went to Randy Gregory, it's hard to imagine Dorn's armstrong finding. I mean, we'll see. I don't want to speak too soon, but you can imagine you maybe

lose your third defensive end there. Well, that's what Goldston's for. Yeah, that's when you drafted Golstan. It's time for him to step out. If if a guy falls to twenty four that you would be stupid to ignore. You draft him. Even if he plays defensive end, you still draft him. Whatever. You can kick tank inside on with that tackle downs. I mean they would take George Falling right, David Ojabo at twenty four? Does that make you feel, Brian, you

know what if Karloftus is there, I'm okay with that. Corloftus, Lindebaum, those kind of guys, the wide receivers, Das Hills another guy that I would take at safety, dependent depending on what happens with you know, with Curse, it sounds like an all indications that Curse could be a guy in play here that they can get done. I do think

they're making a push on Jayron Curse. If I were going to ignore my real answer just to try to answer the question, I think you want Yeah, I want you to because my real answer we all know that the best play. Yeah, that's very good. If you're not exciting, yes, if you want to start just nixing positions because of what they've already done, no, you don't even want to

know where Nakobe Dean gets picked. Because Nakobe Dean, I think is really interesting and in mock drafts you're starting to see him in the late twenties, and linebacker is still a need for this team. Are we overlooking the need at linebacker? I don't know. No, I don't think we have. I think there's something like you said to me, it's you know, the thing that when you look at these linebackers, there's going to be faults. Now, there's gonna be a lack of height, there might be a lack

of speed. The film doesn't show that on on on Lloyd, but there's there's people are going to say deficiencies there. They're gonna say it about Lindenbaumb too. Dallas is going to take a player that's probably got some flaws to him, you know, And and that's where you know, I think that's okay, But you just gotta you know, you got to know that these players do have some flaws. I'll take the flip side of that and apologize to Nakobe Dean because just as a player, he's just short. No,

but and that's the only issue. He's one of my favorite players. Done that he shouldn't have been short. Hey, trust me, I know, but that's no. No, But that's that's the thing. That's the thing about it is like that, you know, will the Cowboys will they will they look at that will they look at Lloyd and say, oh, well, the four six is four, six one, whatever it was. Will they look at that and say, but but you

watch the tape and it doesn't show that. But here's what I was gonna say, is I just feel like you can't you have the centerpiece right, you got you got the BAMFF. His name is Micah Parsons, And now we know he doesn't need to move to edge right now. If he was ever going to, I don't think he was. He's definitely not going to do it now with Randy and DeMarcus back under contract, So you got him. Jabril

Cox is still here, fortunately for him. You know, it always sounds weird to say an injury is good, but if you're going to tear your ACL, at least do it in week five in or week six, whatever it was, instead of week fifteen or sixteen. Like Michael Gal's very self shift galloped to Terry Swards. What a selfish player. If the Cowboys have their druthers, I think the answer

is clearly they're picking that word. I don't know if you're if you're picking the guy who it's like, Man, I'm really glad he's on the very top of our board while we're picking here. It's one of the guards, like, that's the deglaring weaknesses. If they lined up today, Connor McGovern is probably your left guard and they don't want him on the field. Yeah, you feel and I think we agree. We don't feel crazy different about the receiver situation.

We all agree that it'll be a top one hundred pick most likely, But it doesn't it doesn't need to be picked twenty four. When you have Michael Gallop and Ceedee Lamb, pick twenty four to be a lot of fun. It would be fun it just like Ceedee Lamb was fun when you have Michael's just like all these other positions, Like you're going to talk about should you take this

position at twenty four in the first round? Oh my god, you have all of this, but a year or two down the road, you have no idea what you're gonna have If you have no idea if Ceede Lamb is going to get a second contract with this team, You have no idea if you're gonna keep Michael gallup more than the two years that he has guaranteed money Wide Receivers should not be off limits in the first round because you don't know what the world is going to have going on for your team in twenty four months.

That's a great point because look at two years ago, twenty twenty, if you would have drafted Caleb and Jason instead of Cede Lamb, where would you be in the wide receiver room right now? You probably would have kept Cooper or found the way that you would be hanging out with Simmi's. It would be interesting, would be very interest. What do you guys feel better about second round linebackers

or second round guards? Probably linebacker. I think I'm not linebackers. See, that's that kind of my point is I just with all due respect to guys that play linebacker, and having a really good one makes a difference. As we saw with Mica. You can find those guys in my again not to be the centerpieces, but you already have that historically. He's right, No, he a lot of really good linebackers come from rounds two through four. Agree, a lot of them.

But I think Brian's kind of poking at this little bit too. There's there's guards there too. I mean, there's Ed Ingram from LSU that shouldn't possibly be there. Kade Mays, who I know Dallas has talked to Jeremy Slayer out of Georgia. There's good solid guards that are gonna be I kind of feel like the position of the of the guard might be a little bit deeper than what

the linebacker is. So if that's the case, you know, if you go linebacker at twenty four and you turn around and you say, okay, this thing might stretch a little bit for some of these guards if you want to go for the inside, help there. Who's your LB three behind Lloyd and Dean Clark and Harris linebackers? Yeah, yeah, Clark Clark from MILLISHU and Harrison, Christian Harris Yeah, and

Hawker out of Georgier, out of Georgia. I like Christian Harris too, Quaywalker, Christian Harris, Chad Muma, leo'schanal all second round guys for me, Yeah, I just I think I think I can afford to wait on that. Not I mean, you need it one, You're probably gonna need one, although I won't be surprised. We'll see what the market holds

for Light and vander Esh. I'd like if if he can't get a great deal somewhere else, I think it's realistic that he could be back here on a you know that type of deal, the one year deal, a one or two year deal that's worth less than ten million dollars, that type of deal, I think that's totally possible. Is his market value, I don't, I know, we don't want to get into the week that's thinking too. With mully Cooker's four, Vanderesh might be five or I bet I bet he's gunning. I bet he wants like six

to eight. And then the reality, I think there's teams to have failed him on the physical that would never bring him in. It's possible. So that's why I think his market probably wouldn't be that great. When you've had neck slash, spinal column. Yeah, people realize that that's not you know, and you look and you look at I mean, he had a couple of really good games last year for the team where he had you know, double digit tackles.

They just lost both games he played. I think the Denver game he had thirteen tackles or some so he showed he he's capable of playing. I mean, he didn't completely fall off the map, no, he I mean he was a he was like a at replacement level linebacker, right like. I mean, that's that's the way I view to the season that he had last The injuries have robbed him of movement. In my opinion, when you watch him move, he doesn't move as good as he once did.

But would I would I sign him on a one year deal to prevent myself from having to reach in the draft. Sure or somebody like him. I mean, that's what Kean O'Neill was last year. So I think it. You know, you again, you kind of get premature because this is all this will all be different by tonight. If I had to guess with the way that this is going. But I do, you know, I think it's interesting because I think y'all are absolutely right. If you're trying to draw yourself a roadmap, he sure looks like

it's pointing toward guards and receivers. To me, guard they need a guard guard. Which comes full circle from my first draft, which was the Jonathan Cooper Chance Warmack draft. Man, I loved me Some Chance Warmack. Either guy really wound Some Chance warmamazing Maler, Jonathan Cooper incredible Apple. I'm sure they both had great careers. All right, So we've reset the table. We're gonna take an early break. We got plenty of questions from y'all. Some of it about free

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Twitter on the Twitter was absolutely right. A lot of receiver questions today, I can't say I'm surprised about that, which we we sort of we kind of did this, but I want to I want to get a little bit more thorough. With a question from Rob, he wants to know how far down your list of receivers can you go before you're out of potential day one starters. I think it's a good question because that was the situation they were in with Michael Gallup. They drafted him

at eighty one. He was a day one starter. Wasn't you know, great as a rookie, but a guy that they were able to get production out of right away. So we're looking at that again Cowboys pick twenty fourth, fifty sixth and eighty eight. Can you find a Day one starter? Like, how how far back can you go? Maybe you can get to the fourth. I mean I've I've seen fourteen wide receivers and I think they're all Day one starters. Yeah, so yeah, I think you can

find one all of them. Yeah. Like, for instance, this is just gonna be rapid fire because you guys know the names of the top already, right, Wilson Burkes, Williams, London, Moore, Olave Pickens, Mechie Dotson, Tolbert. And when I get down to my third round and there's bunch of people I haven't seen yet. Calvin Austin the third from Memphis, a little slot guy, Yeah, he's a starter. Khalil Shakier at Boise State. Yeah, I think he can start for somebody

the slot as a rookie. Alec Pierce at Cincinnati. Yeah, that's probably an NFL starter as a rookie. And one Dale Robinson the other tiny fast guy from Kids, a fun player to watch. Probably you could start for somebody in the slot as a rookie. And I'm not done watching guys. There's a lot Yeah, I'm Robinson. I have in the fourth round. That's my first fourth round guy, And I kind of agree with Jeff of the names

that he said. I think wide receiver used to be one where you're worried about the learning curve, and I don't worry about the learning curve. I think seven on seven football has helped a lot of these kids in high school. I think their offenses in college throw the football a ton. They don't. Maybe maybe they're not the most polished route runners, but you can throw on that Ohio State tape. You'd take any one of those kids.

You'd throw on the Alabama tape. You'd take anyone those kids you throw on some tape from a kid from Western Michigan. You'd take that kid, you know. I mean that's kind of where the things that we're at right now, because these guys go out there and they catch the football, they know how to run routes, they know how to get open, and they're not scared. And I think that's I think that's what we've seen in pro football really the last two or three years. And they're used in

so many different ways. Yea too, and that that same sort of usage goes from the collegian game into the professional game now and used to not be that much of a crossover. Now there's so many things that mirror each other, like where a Wandale Robinson could be selected outside of the top one hundred, yet he's still going to be the third wide receiver starting in eleven personnel for whatever team ends up picking him up along the way because he's used in a certain way. Same thing

with guys like Christian Watson. I know he didn't say his name out of North Dakota State. He's down the list from the guys like Pickens and Dotson and Mechi Tolbert. But he's a guy who absolutely make an impact and he's probably the eleventh receiver, tenth receiver off the board. I'm glad you brought him up. I'll ask this question from tea chants, but then I think it opens up

to a broader question. He specifically wants to know who you think is a better fit between Alec Pierce, guy that y'all like a lot out of Cincinnati, and Christian Watson like a little bit of a Sinson. Brian likes him a lot. I do like I have him over

Watson myself. I just when you watch, Like I said, when I was when I was evaluating the quarterback there at Cincinnati, he was throwing the ball to one guy really and that one guy was making like every single play, and so yeah, I don't know how you could, you know, not like a receiver. He tested very well at the combine if you're into those kinds of things, you know, and he also the thing about him that's really really

interesting is he's a really he's a tall guy. I mean it's it's a six three, two hundred eleven pound guy that I mean getting in the catch radius is huge. He goes all over the place to get the ball. He's really good in the red zone. I mean his learning curve I think is very little because I think he could do all the things already and he's not size deficient, so you could play him wherever you need to play him. I'm the same way I have Watson

underneath Pierce because of those reasons. I like the size, I like to speed, the athleticism. I'm not gonna say he's he's Cooper up. That's a dumb comparison. A lot of people have kind of thrown it out there in terms of style of play, He's not to that level yet, but I still like the way that he could kind of mix some of those things into his pro game. I don't want to repeat a lot of what Brian said, but I'm right there with it. Well, I'll throw it out to you in a broader sense because again he

asked about two specific guys. But on a team that now has you assume Ceedee Lamb is is now the number one receiver on this team? Yeah, Michael Gallup boy pt says Michael Gallup's gonna be the number one. He could be. Shout out, hey, shout out Phil A. Tanner. I trust the hell out of what he has to say.

Coached here for a little while. Oh well, and I think the Cowboys want more from Michael Gallup, but knowing his paid receiver on the team, knowing their skill sets, well they need to get some from Ceedee Lamb though, too. They need more, honest that that was one of those things that you know that I know he was my number one wide receiver on that board, and the fact when he was taken I was super excited. Is his

Is it his fault completely? No? But but there needs to be It's sounds harsh to say about a guy maybe maybe overrated him, I mean, like safe thousand yards potentially his first season, eleven hundred last season. It doesn't it doesn't kind of feel like you need more there. It doesn't help that a guy drafted five spots behind him is setting the league on fire. Yeah. Anyway, but knowing what you know about these two, is there a

third receiver? And I think y'all have talked about Pickens before when we've kind of danced around this subject, But is there a third receiver that you think compliments those two exceptionally? Well? Are you ready for your question to be answered with a question that's just kind of what y'all do, So are you prepared for that? Yeah? Do you like Ceede Lamb outside or do you like Ceedee Lamb in the slot? I prefer him in the slot.

Then you need a guy who can play anywhere. Um, if you want CD in the slot in the first round, I think names to know would be Drake London, Trail and Burgs, Garrett Wilson. I think I would like Jamison Williams in the slot, but he could either If they draft Jamison Williams, I'm fine with whatever. By the way, you could put you could just mix and match those two guys. Ideally, I would like to think ceedee lamb can do both. Like I want my best receiver in

the slot, no matter what. Yeah, like that's what I want. I don't because it's like it's like we say the word slot and I think people picture full Basley Yep, Okay, Well train plays the slot. He's six two two twenty five. A J. Green, when he was still really really good, was playing the slot. Julio Jones started playing the slot. Your best guy plays the slot used to mean smaller guy who gets pry with. Yeah, but teams have also

figured out they play their best corner in the slot though, too. Sure, you know that's that's something to a lot of them. You can bat that. No, a lot of them do walk in there and play. If you're gonna put your best player in the slot, that Ramsey'll go in there, but most will most out corners play outside. Yeah, there's there's some of your good you watch enough games, they'll take they'll they'll play the You'll see some of the best players inside. They just that's the way they walk.

You're right, I don't watch him any game. I don't. I'm just saying, if you really, if you really watch it, I mean, I'm just saying, if you really watch the games, they really do. You can look up snap counts for corners, and I promise you the vast majority of what you consider a great corner it's gonna be outside. Sure, there's a lot of guys that don't want to go in there, but that you do. You you know, teams have figured out that the best receivers are in the slot. Do

you think I'm crazy for wanting CD in the slot? No, No, not at all. I don't see's your best one, Okay, But I also would point out that I think CD is really really good outside too. I think he could do whatever. And that's why I think you're wide open. I think you're wide open at what receiver you pick. I like the idea of Jamis and Williams and CD Lamb kind of being interchangeable. Both guys can play outside, both guys can play inside. You never know where they're

gonna line up. And then you've got Michael Gallopy's your deep threat on the opposite side. That sounds like a ton of fun. I will readily admit I think there are more important things they could do with that pick than draft the receiver. But it would be fun. Oh my god, I would do a backflip if they drafted Jamison Williams. It would be amazing. Anthony wants to know what would you give up, if anything, for Lavisca Chennault

who appears Was there some questions about his medical coming out. Yes, I think that's something that people need to give of his draft. Yeah, I think that's a lot of it has to do with that. So yeah, I think I would worry. I think that these teams this medical stuff that carries a lot of these guys like, well, okay, I see him playing, but is that something that's going to be a problem in the future. You know, this is kind of one of those deals which I'm looking at.

I believe Chanult fell to the second round, did he not? Yeah? He he would just pick forty two and twenty twenty, So again that matters because you don't get the fifth year option. So he's he's halfway through his rookie deal. Uh, And I just like, what is a what is a guy who's been okay, not amazing, who's only got two years left on his deal? Like, what is he worth? What is that what is that worth to you? Like, I wouldn't give up I wouldn't give up anything better

than a Day three pick for Yeah. No, that's what you've kind of seen, what's going on with the Murray Cooper and stuff like that. I mean, that's what people are. That's what people are doing right now. And they're even doing it sometimes with these quarterbacks, you know, I mean the top ones. Of course you're going to get the first round picks. But again, I just believe that people are kind of like, listen, you're you know, if you want to move on from this guy. I mean, they're

looking at the draft just like we are. It's a weird thing to say, because Christian Kirk just got paid an ungodly amount of money. I mean, receivers are making money.

But at the same time, again going back to the first segment, this trend and what we talked to Will about at the combine, you can count on six of these guys being studs every year, and so what are you, like, why are you giving up a ton of assets when you know that the next draft class is right around the corner to be there with another thousand yard receiver ready to play right away. I just think that kind of hurts the value of established players unless you are

really at the top of your profession. Hey, Dallas has three first or three fifth round picks. Now maybe you could trade one of them and try and go get somebody. Maybe not a nult, but maybe you go maybe this is where you get your kicker. I think so too. I think you maybe takes I'm taking that extra fifth from the Brownies and I'm using it on whichever kicker they prefer. Kay York if that's fine out of the at the risk of sound like a homer, if they want to kicker the kicker, that sounds fun to me.

I don't care one of them. I told y'all there would be a lot of receiver questions. Cowboys seventy one once y'all to break down Traylan Burke's verse, Chris Olava, just their games. They're very different players. They're very different players. So like, just break down what they do well, what they don't do well, YadA, YadA, YadA, Just sort of what you would get from either decision they do the

exact opposite swell. Traylan Burks is six two two twenty five, and you're going to feel every bit of that when you play against him, because they're gonna throw them screens, They're gonna put the ball up in the air. Uh. Traylan Burks is physically imposing hell after the catch, plays above the rim, down the field. He's a big, tough, physical wide receiver. Chris Olave is a small, kind of slight, incredible route runner and technician and and fast. I won't

take that from him. He scored thirteen touchdowns and sixty five catches. That's pretty darn good. But they're just they're polar opposites. Trail and Burkes. You want the ball in his hands now or up there. And Chris Olave you want him to go run a route on that dude, and he's going to give you separation. Jeff's nailed him. I mean, he's absolutely got both players, right. I mean that the thing about a Lave to me is that you talk about the technician and things like that. I mean,

I don't know. Okay, let's let's look at it this way. Which receiver is best for Dak Prescott. If you had to watch a game and you're saying throw it up guy to you know, bad bad, bad catch guy. You know, bad ball guy, see I'm trying to figure out now and my new mission is if it's not separators, Yeah, if it's not good for Dak, don't tell me about it. I don't want to. I don't care if you know. If to me, if it's about blockers, if it's about a runner, if it's about a tight end, if it's

a better receiver. Because again I know where a show that's all about the draft. But if if you want to focus on the Cowboys, which one of these guys better helps Dak and to me, to me, maybe it's a bigger body guy, but also look at a lobby and make plays in tight spaces, poorly thrown balls. I think the answer is a love which goes it goes against my instinct versus a damn good player. I'm not

saying it goes against how I have them ranked. Is the problem which the reason I was so the reason I was so insistent that I thought moving on from Amari was a bad idea. I think his skill set works very well with Dak. He presents like a clean target. Yeah, he creates separation, he gets open. He wasn't as open as he was last year. I don't believe. I think there was some limitations with his health that allowed him

not to play fast. I'm already didn't play as fast as he normally plays, and I think that to me, if I'm looking at all these wide receivers, I'm thinking, which one of these guys can go out there and get the football, get open and at least give Dak Prescott because we've learned about Dak. If it's not completely open, that ball might not be going your direction. Right, So whoever, whoever one of these guys, I don't care. Started at Jeff's number one and go all the way to fourteen

and determine who that guy is. Garrett Wilson's one of them. Yeah, there you go, but we Sky Moore, Chrisolava, ye, John Metchi, there you go, Jalen Tilbert all right, and maybe Jamison Williams. Yeah, I would throw him into that. He's not a technician. He wins at the line of scrimmage, but he doesn't necessarily have that route running capability. Olave is one of those crisp, clean route runners that's going to separate immediately.

If you throw him on a slant, he's open. You throw him in the backfield if you want to kind of toss it to him behind he's open, he's going to run after the catch as well. So if you want to narrow it down even further, and you were to say, okay, I think the Cowboys would love to pick an offensive lineman in the first round, second round, I believe you narrow that down to Sky Moore, John Metchi,

Jalen Tilbert. You want one of those names available? Metchi at Alabama, Tulbert at South Alabama, and Skymore at Western Michigan. What about Dots, It's gonna ask you about Dots and does he do anything for you? Gloss over John Dotson a lot? But he's a slight guys over him five eleven? Guy? Is that? Why did you? Did you say? Five eleven? And yeah? Slight and he's four four and like he's explosive.

John Dotson's a good player. But I think I see him ranked for so many people, like in the twenties or something like that, and I'm more like, yeah, if he's at fifty six, we could talk about it. That's well, that's what we're talking about. Fifty six. I'm not I'm up there. I'm right there with you. He's not in those top six receivers that we keep throwing around. But I like the way he runs routes, get guys off balance.

I get mad at receivers who can't get off the line. Yeah, and when people lined up on the line of scrimmage, they were screwing him up. And when he would get contacted in route, they were screwing him up. And he's not physical. I have that in my cons category that bothers me with receivers got off the line. Honestly, in my opinion, when you look at these names, the best player probably for DAK would be Drake London. Oh, just throw it up. I get tested catch guy though, But

that's what I'm saying though. But to me, though, I know that it's gonna be that he's gonna he's gonna go get it. See. I mean I put in my notes because I thought this guy was Adam Thaling And maybe that's what DAK needs. Maybe Dak needs a guy that can get open in. But when it gets a little muddy, that like oh the balls thrown bat here's like a six four guy going straight up and getting it. Isn't that kind of what Michael Gallops is especially all

that money? Okay, tell me about Michael Gallup as a route runner. I don't think he's It's okay if that's your If that's your argument, then if that's your argument, then go get you somebody that runs routes. He gave you. He gave you a boatload of names to go talk about guys that are really good route runners. A lab Mitchie, those kinds of guys. You need guys, because that's what right now. I don't know if you necessarily have that. I don't know if you necessariay that Ceedee Lamb's a

great route runner. I agree, and that's so you better go get somebody that can separate and somebody, but I break. I bring up London just because of how damn big he is and back shoulder up high because dad ain't always accurate, you know, yeah, but but actually a better I thought. It's a great point from you, even less than his accuracy. He doesn't want to take that risk, like he's not gonna zip it into a bad window. He's like, you're either open enough that I smage hold

whole sock, which that's the line of scrimmage. It's probably the least sexy skill set because everybody is infatuated with the Treylon Burkes t myself included, like, if you're two thirty and can run like that, that's exciting as hell. And an incredible route tree probably gets glossed over the most because it's it just doesn't it's not that exciting to look at. But I think it's the most valuable thing for Dak, which is why I wind up on

a lava. Do you think that at some point along the line, if they do go with the Drake London though, and you go with a guy who's again not a great route runner, but he's gonna go up and get the football, maybe those those tendencies start to shift a little bit from Dak Prescott, because that's right John kid, when he was here, Yo, ball Yeah, told dad, He's like, rip it, yeah, let it happen. Do you see what's happening?

But maybe those t then sees change if all of a sudden he doesn't have that technician like Amari Cooper. We're willing this team to draft a wide receiver at twenty four yards, all right, and it's probably not gonna happen. So okay, Calvin Austin in the third, I think of the opposite let's go tiny. We all agree, so I'll end it. I'll end it with this and we can

go along. That's fine. But just knowing what we know right now, give me your ideal roadmap through the first four rounds, like if you don't if you don't want him to draft the receiver, don't do it. Just round one Zion Johnson, Boston College guard, Round two, Skymore wide receiver, Western Michigan. Round three. You guys are gonna have to tell me what linebacker you think would actually be there

on my grades. I would say somebody like Channing Tindall, but I think he'll probably gone or Asamoa the Ou linebacker, your boy chanal Leo Chanel. If you think I can have him in the third round, absolutely, I'd be tough at eighty eight, but I think he'll go like before eighty eight in the third four or round a tight end Isaiah likely. Just throw out a name, Okay, Kyle, I'm along the same lines. Go offensive. You don't have

to give me names. I'm not one offensive line in the first, wide receiver in the second, linebacker interior in the third. Even though I know that's the fourth straight draft we've taken an interior guy on day two, and then linebacker whatever was left over from what I just said in the third and the fourth okay, Lyndon baumb pickings, and then I would probably look at somebody like Tendall earth Walker. Was I have Walker in the third round.

He's probably a second round player, but I would go I would probably go center, I would go wide receiver, and then I would go linebacker. Who's your left guard? Uh, that's the question I need to answer myself, because right now I don't. I'm gonna I'm gonna take a chance that maybe I could bottom fish this thing, and I'm just gonna make sure I take care of the center spot because I think this center's pretty rare the way

he plays. So I'm going to take a chance that my left tackle is going to hold up, my center is going to be a rare player, My right guard will be fine. I'm not sure about the right tackle. You might need to take a right tackle too. If you're thinking about if you really think that that Steeler is a guy, whether you like him or not. They like him a lot. But I'm thinking I'm just gonna take Linda Bomb because I think he's better than what

the guards that I have at that spot. Going back to my point from earlier, a lot more is going to change since the first segment. Connor Williams has agreed to a deal with the Dolphins. I don't think really anybody's surprised to hear that he's moving on, but I am curious to see what I mean. Obviously, Connor McGovern's still here. Do they take the time, for lack of a better word, to draft and our excuse me, sign

a veteran I guess Matt Farniac's still sitting around as well. So, like you have quote quote bodies, I just wonder how much they do to address it or do they go into the draft with that sort of being that kind of glaring need where they need to spend a you know,

top one hundred type of pick. I'm just I'm just looking at this, you know, I'm just looking at this as my center is higher rated than those guards I have on that board, and so and I say with Linderbaum, I'm kind of thinking that, man, I can I'm not saying I'm gonna band aid this this guard position because

you tried to band aid it a little bit. And they'll sign somebody yeah, draft right, like they're gonna say that's what I'm do you think so, though, because if you have McGovern and Farniac, you technically have the bodies. I mean we tried one of them. I mean just immediately pulled the rip cord. Yeah, you are not wrong. I get made the point in the first segment they don't like seeing McGovern out there. Well, no, the offensive blind coach hates him. So that's that's clear, you know.

But Yeah, the thing that to me, like, I just if I'm going to take a if I'm centered looking at that center, I think my at center can really help me in the run game. I think you really can, maybe even more so than a guard right now, because I you know, I saw things going on with you know, with the oddish that you know it's you know, it's

it's not it's not where it needs to be. Linda Bomb comes in and man, we talk about you know, how you played against the defense, how you reach, how you scoop, how you get you know, you know, keep give guys ability to cut the ball back and stuff like that. I think he does that in a lot and especially with combo blocks and things like that. He's really really good so to me, I just have him, but better than those those guards that are than Green

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I want to get y'all takes. I want to get y'all's takes again. We talked about this at the top of the draft, but we're trying to draw this circle around first round prospects, guys that we think the Cowboys might target at twenty four, and I just want to see how y'all feel about different ones, different options, different ways that they could go by pairing guys up. So I'm just gonna start off with a list that I

wrote out this morning. Given the choice between Nacobe Dean or Chris Olave Kobe Dan, why because I'm grade as a first round player and I have Chris Olave as a cheater grade, my answer is always going to be my board. Nacobe Dean I have as one of my four seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven real life first round grades, and Olave I do not. Can I get a rebuttal. I've got both in the first myself and Max. Actually, Olave is the last guy I have in the first.

I have four first round grades for the wide receivers. Dean is my number one inside linebacker. I would probably go Dean on that one, is what I would do. I just think that when you watch him play, he's got some rare ability. Again, both these guys are a little bit shorter, a little bit smaller, but both of

them make tremendous amount of plays. I just kind of feel like that you put Dean in this scheme and let him run, he could finish, So I would I would have him slightly over a lava in that situation, myself. I completely disagree. Now I'm just kidding, all right. Damn it, guys, I know I was hoping it was more important than linebacker. Give me a love, Na, that's my that's my answer. Well for this team, for this too much. Just for this team are just as far as on your board

now in general, but also for this time. I have him either way, Na Kobe Dean over o Lave, that quick first step, the recognition, his ability to go head hunting. I like all of that. Over Lave. Who I have I'm kind of with Jeff. I have him in like that first second round cheater area. But Nakobe Dean is surely a first round player for me. Tyler Linderbaum trailing Burke's Linderbaum. I assume this is going to be a

clean Snderbaum. He's real life first round and I have all the top receipt there's the top six guys as cheater one twos. So anybody who I have as a absolutely first round grade, I'm taking over the receivers. Tyler Linderbaum fits there. Yeah, lindebaumb is both guys in the first round. Burks would be my third best receiver. Lindebaum the number one center on the board and it is a huge drop to the next center at the third round.

So to me, I think I would go. I think there's some rareness to again to Lindebaum, I've never seen I've said it's before in a bunch of shows. This just I've never seen a guy overcome more deficiencies to play great like he does, you know, with his lack of high short arms. I mean, people will try and talk you out of him, and I'm like, watch the film. Watch what this guy does on film, and you tell me Burks, I think is very interesting because of all the things he can do. But I would go with

Linderbaum right there myself. Who is your second center? I don't know if we've talked about it. Parum, oh, okay, farm out of Memphis, Memphis, Okay, I have Dona in West r and then Param I have West out of Arizona State. But yeah, it's a huge drop off, and it kind of goes back to what you were talking about in the earlier segments about wide receivers, about why invest this much when you know there's a ton of other guys that are gonna come in NFO ready to play.

Maybe If that's the case, if there's a position that is at least valued lesser than wide receiver like the center would be, and then there's a massive drop off in talent between their number one and number two guys, then why would you not take the winder bomb that's sitting there whenever you could, If if you pass up on a Burks, you could still get a guy in the second. You feel really good about Devin Lloyd. Trent McDuffie, Oh, now you're getting the same. Great Now I am gonna

now I need you to give me an opinion. Deny in your life McDuffie. It's the corner out of Washington, or anybody that's stopped following along Trent McDuffie. The one knock he's gonna get is t Rex Arms. He's under thirty inch arms, but holy cow, he's a really good player, and he plays the more valuable position. I'm gonna go Trent McDuffie over Devin Lloyd. And again, are we talking

about just overall? What would you like the player? Don't try to waffle here, don't try to come up like if you're gonna play a need thing and we can move it around a little bit like Devin Lloyd probably feels a need better for the Cowboys. But if you're just picking players in order of how you like them, if you're passing over Lloyd, if you're passing on a corner that you love because you need a linebacker, that's bad drafting in my opinion. Why would you say that

to my face? Though you could have said that when I was gone. You agree with me, Oh yeah I did, but you said it to me, so it felt like you were getting right at me. I have Lloyd as my twenty seventh overall player, and I have McDuffie is thirty three. Oh, you are a McDuffie hater. I'm not a hater. There are not thirty two better plays. I just have him as my third best cornerback hat dinosaurs, nonaurs. Actually, Derek Stingley is above him. Sauce Gardner's above him. Stingley

out of LSU's Gardener out of Cincinnati. For those listening, Um, McDuffie is my third. I like Devin Lloyd just a little bit better. I think he's physical. I like the way he plays downhill. He can stop the run, he can plug the gaps. That's tough though. I take Lloyd and I love I mean McDuffie's. I had both guys in the first round again, solid first round players. I think with Lloyd, the thing I love about him, if you leave him unblocked, he will make every single tackle.

And I love that about a guy. I love it when you watch him play and you know, you run into the football and all his tape is really really good. He's six three, two hundred and thirty seven pounds. This guy. People are going to figure out how to use him because when he's going downhill, he's gonna make it the tackle and he's gonna make him hard to block. And

I think that's what I really really like. Mc duffy to me is I don't look at the short arms, and you know he's tall enough, he's got enough weight. He still knocks the ball down. He still knocks that ball down. I mean that's there's no question. No. He plays here. I mean, I mean, I rex arms is fun to say. No. I mean you could say the same thing about the Iowa Center. You know there's guys, there's guys on this on this in this first round,

and I'm telling you they have deficiencies. They really do. If you know someone's gonna say, why wouldn't have taken him because he's a short armed guy. McDuffie, Well, I'm not going to take him because he's two hundred and ninety six pounds. You know, Lindenbaum, I'm gonna throw you one that people are gonna say is Pie in the sky, But you never know. I love pie. Tyler linderbaumum Derek Stingley both first round grades. I would take Stingley in

that regard myself. Linderbaum, he likes football. Who I had to find a tiebreaker because they're both first round guys. I want you guys to fight because I'm on the fence here. It's been the center. It's been two years. It's been two years since Derek Stingley had an amazing season. It is a premier corner. We had traits to be. He has the makeup to be that is super duper valuable. I can't see him falling that far, but you never know. There's enough. It's what do you not? It's who do you?

Which one are you choosing to take your uncertainties and say I don't trust that guy. The height slash arm length of linder bomb, despite great tape or the Stingley two years of were you hurt? Did you you kind of lose interest when you guys weren't good? What happened there? I'll go durability. I'll take Linder Bomb. I mean, people are gonna get on me because here I'm wearing a Joe Burrow are wearing an LSU hoodie, and I've got Gardner over Stingley though, But just just because I think

I think there's questions. I think there's questions. I think there's reasons why you would say maybe he would get to twenty four. And people will tell you this guy is not an alpha type of a player, that he needs a big brother. You know that, he you know that. I think there's a lot of questions about him, absolutely, But you watch him play, there's there's, like you talk about Lindenbaum with some rare ability, that kid Stingley's got

rare ability. When you watch him play, it is so easy for him to when the way he moves, the way he transitions, the way he plays the ball, it's super super easy. And I wouldn't have believed it was to be a better corner in the draft. But Gardner's a better corner, but Gardner is a better corner. But I do love me some some Stingley, though. If you told me Sauce Gardner was the one that fell, and it was Linderbaum and Gardner, then I would take Sauce Gardner.

But I know that's probably even less likely than the guy about. There are dings on Stingley's resume that could push him down the board, and there's less something comes out over the next month about Gardner that we don't know. He's the top ten pick. I guess, yeah, yeah, I think you were gonna say this cliche a little bit ago. But when they're smoke, there's fire, and you kind of hear that rumbling that he could be the one to fall. Yeah, needs the new ones. I've been expecting sting to fall

since about mid October. He could. He could very well end up. And when that Philadelphia has that run, sure, you know right there, right there in that run, he'd be fun here. I just he'd have the big brother and digs if that that would be, that's what he needs. People will say that he's not a bad kid. They say that he if you want him to be, he says, Jeff's brought it up because he's seeing Gardner work out in person, and he's talking about Gardner walking in a

room and lighting that place up. Stingley is not that guy, so that's kind of where people would ding him a little bit. Like Jeff says, does the guy really like football? I don't think he's a glass eater by any means, you know, but I think no one should be. That sounds terrible and eat. You're tough if you're eating glass.

It's a turn of phrase, Jeff. I think if you have a chance to draft a corner with that skill set, I think, especially if it's all the way down at twenty four, I think you got to take the risk. One last one before we get out of here. I like this one. I don't know, Brian, you might not like this one. I think. Jeff will Jordan Davis, Zion Johnson, Oh, same grade, Zion Johnson. Why I will go Zion because Zion is going to play one hundred percent of the snaps.

I just think I would take my left guard over a fifty percent of the snaps player, give or take, which is what Jordan Davis is gonna be. And you're making me because I have to make a case you're gonna make me tear somebody down, and that's messed up.

Not asking you to tear it's messed up. But yes, I would take a guy who I think is going to be a high level starting left guard for his career over a one technique, even with the good testing, because I got to see it on tape, Jordan Davison on tape, making a much case outside the town, Brian, you don't love Zion as much as you know, I have a chance to be really really wrong about that player. So there's a couple of guys in this draft that

I have that opportunity, and I'll wear them both. And knowing that you love Zion, what do you think about that? You know what choice? I'll tell you what though, I mean, he's not wrong about the playing ability, He's not wrong. I mean it's about, you know, the thing, with Johnson playing every snap, you're gonna get him sixty five seventy plays. I think with Jordan Davis though, with this defense, you know, think about having a guy that big, that athletic in

the middle of this defense. Yeah, And all of a sudden, now it's like, oh, we've got Randy, We've got Tank, We've got potentially Osa or you know, anybody else. You want to put it the three with that one playing the way he does, and maybe you work with him and find a way. I mean, the scouts will tell you that's just a push the pocket type of a player right now, but that's a big push the pocket type of a player right now. And so to me, I just have him better. I would have him. I

got both of them in the second round. I just have a couple of guards over Zion Johnson, but I don't have as many. I don't have. It's Jordan Davis as a one technique and White as the three. You know, if you told me I could have either one of those guys, I'd absolutely love it. Which one would you take? I would take? I think I would take Wyatt. I think you gotta take over Davis. Yeah, yeah, it'd be fun. The thing about but one of three and one was

a one technique, yeah Davis. It goes back to positional value too, because if you wanted to get your third guard on your list rather than your number one or number two interior defensive lineman. But kind of going into what Brian is, if I'm Dallas, if we're in the seats, and I know that's not the exercise I would take Jordan Davis either way. Let's just say that I have him grade at higher. But if I'm Dallas, I'm looking

at the weapons around what Brian's talking about. You have a guy who, even if he plays for just two snaps, you put him in there with Randy Gregory, Tank Lawrence. You have Michael Parsons coming off the back. Who knows, maybe it's Jabril Cox back there, maybe it's a second or a third round guy who's behind. Mind you, it opens up your defense if you're able to push just a little bit, and then you have that rotation of guys that you already have on the roster at the moment.

If you can put a guy who eats up that much space on the field and not give up any athleticism, like you don't get get lower as a defense, which you wouldn't and you think about the freaks that already work here. Yeah, I get I get the appeal of that. Sion Johnson's a good player, though too well. At the end of the I go, I mean, he's gonna plug

and play. I go with Jeff, give me, give me seventy five snaps again, No, I mean and that's not and that's not the wrong way to think about Yeah though, I mean that, but to me that that's that's the one guy that I'm gonna look back and say, Man, you didn't see him how you needed to see him? All right? Good? Romantic good. Not not as much of an argument as I wanted. But that's okay. We got plenty more time for that, plenty of Clark day three.

That's ridiculous. That's rude, is what that is. What's a fight. We'll get to that. We got plenty plenty more twists and Torrent turns to go. I'm positive we will be back with y'all next time. Thanks for listening to the Draft show. We'll catch you all next time. Thanks. I'm bad at signing on what later? Bye see. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.