Draft Show: QB in the First?

Miller Lite. Here from the Star in Frisco in the s WBC studios, it's Miller time and it's also draft time. We've got the entire crew back in the building. We've got Bobby phil We've got Brian Broadness, Zach Walchuk, Aisha Morrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's everybody, how are we doing? You said thirty six days? Thirty six days? Y'all got to stop saying the number. I'm excited to stop saying it out now. You know what's cool is you're starting to see these

pro days. They're starting to kind of wind down and then the top one. So what got Ohio State rolling today? And you got a man. I've seen a lot of a lot of tweets of coaches doing these workouts, Cowboy coaches doing these workouts. So out at USC Ohio State, I mean dan Quinn making the Tripsowa, Iowa. He went, yeah, he did that Midwest tour for you and got him a little sweet corn on the way as he was rolling along. So yeah, No, it's it's uh, before long,

this free agency thing is gonna be over. And it's these guys and gals are gonna push into these rooms and they're gonna start putting boards together. And that's cool, when isn't it. Well, it's gonna it's gonna But for the teams. For the teams, they're gonna stop, they're gonna stop looking at guys. They're gonna start looking at college guys. That's what they're gonna do. And filling the whole is

where that's I mean. Right now, you're trying to build your roster and then the draft you can fill the holes and you can build that young nucleus. I think the Cowboys. I was talking to a buddy of mine and I was telling him, I think the Cowboys have set themselves up great to do what they're really good at, and that's draft. That's draft yet players. And so to me, if you're a Cowboy fan, you got to be excited about what your team did because they they're using the

compensed Tory picks to trade to grab some guys. Talk to my scout buddies around the league. They got guys that can actually play. Heck yeah, Cooks and Gilmore. So it kind of keeps them really open. It makes it fun for us there in the draft show because it is so open. Really at twenty six, you know you're gonna get into like you can. We'll be on that first night and those names will start coming off that board and you're like, you're going, Okay, I'll take that guy.

I'll take that guy. I'll take that guy. Yeah. We can sit back and really just enjoy falling to twenty six. Absolutely, let's talk about some of the moves that they have made and how that could affect it, because I agree with you completely. I think nothing is off the table at twenty six at this point because of some of

these moves. Since the last time we were on the air, Cowboys traded a fifth round draft pick, the compensatory pick, as Brian mentioned, to Indianapolis for a corner Stefan Gilmore excuse me, released Ezekiel Elliott. They agreed the terms on a restructure with Tyrn Smith to build some more cap room, and then they resigned c J. Goodwin did so with Cooper Rush, and then they traded Brandon Cooks in exchange for a fifth round pick as well in twenty twenty three,

and then a sixth round pick next year. So you've got a starting caliber corner and Stefan Gilmore. You have a starting caliber wide receiver. Probably your wide receiver too, depending on what happens in the draft with Brandon Cooks. But Bobby, now you look at it and you don't have to go with either one of those positions at twenty six anymore. Yeah, And that's kind of their their approach every offseason. I feel like where it's something where they enter the offices and go, Okay, what do we

absolutely need? Okay, let's go find veterans that fill everything that we absolutely need, and then we're freed up when we get into the draft of we can just follow our board. We can get whoever want. We don't feel like we have to go get a guard right now because he dog is here. We don't have to go get a running back. We got Ronald Jones. You know, we don't have to go get a corner because we got stuff on Golmore. But if they want to get a corner, if corners the top player there, they can

just get it. If the top player there's a running back, they can get the running back. And that's kind of been their m for the last I don't know, probably decade under Will McClay really running the draft, is they not? They use this month to knock out their needs and have contingencies in place so that if it doesn't fall the way they want, they don't feel like they left the draft with, you know, their hands empty. I feel

like it's always always call it protecting yourself policies. Yeah, I think that's what Will really is interested in doing. He's trying to make sure that, like he doesn't, like you said, Bobby, that he doesn't have to go get somebody. He can say, Okay, if this thing falls to me, and if they're very open about taking and we've seen the last couple of drafts, they're very open to taking the best player on their board, regardless of the position

you go. Now, I was gonna say though, like even with that though, like because Boby was saying that's been their mo for a while. Yeah, we've seen it be their m But the gentleman that they brought in here, did they move the needle? Were they guys that we felt like now? Granted, I feel like they have been more aggressive on the defensive side of the ball and free agency since Dan Quinn has gotten here because he

has a specific type of gentleman. He's trying to build something on that side of the ball, but he on the offensive side of the ball. To Brandon Cooks, thing is something that it was in the works, but just to bring a guy in here that you know should be able to take that new number two spot, it feels different than it has to me in past years with the caliber of gentlemen that they're bringing in here

to replace those guys before the draft. Yeah, I mean they wouldn't got Randall Cobb one year and that was a significant one. But in the past generally, I think it's just the value was there for them to make the deal that I think they've spent similar capital before. Like, it wouldn't be unusual if you if we had headed into this offseason said the Cowboys are going to make a trade using a fifth and a sixth rounder for a receiver. I think most people would hear that and go, Okay, well,

who are they traded for? It? Probably somebody I've never heard of, Like they wouldn't expect Cooks to get back. So I think the Cowboys approach is similar in acquiring players tout it's always been on offense or defense. I think what it is is the opportunity was given to them to get really quality players for what they normally spend in terms of with Gilmore and Cooks being more valuable than what they typically get. They stayed after the

Cooks deal. That was something they were trying to get done. They weren't the longest and they got it at their price. Yeah, you know, big, big win for them. But yeah, you're right. I mean you looked at what were their biggest needs at the end of last year. I mean they were desperate for a number two corner. You saw that after

the injuries. They filled that void with Gilmore and then who was your other playmaker outside of cd Lam Offensively, I mean, we're hopeful that Michael Gallup gets back to where we want him to be and where he's been in his career. But you make the move for Brandon Cooks also adds the speed element which you've been lacking. You get two home run starters. In my opinion for low compics, I think it's fantastic team building by the Cowboys. It's not even just the insurance policy anymore, at least

this time around. It's not. This is an aggressive push to build a roster, to build a competitor. And with that being said, now it opens things up. It opens up the possibilities that if a Bijan Robinson out of Texas falls to you, and I know that's that's the popular name, there's a big if around that because it's safe to say he's not even close to being guaranteed being there at twenty six. But let's say Jamir Gibbs is there out of Alabama. Maybe you can make me

make that pick. Tight endwise, we've talked about these tight ends a number of times. Is there a position though, that is off the table now now that these moves have been made. Is there a single position that you would say, let's not think about that in the first round, let's move on. I don't know if they would think about a quarterback at twenty six. No quarterback, I don't think now does that change with this move? Though probably not.

The was see that, But that's what I'm saying, the thing about, you know, we're I know, I'm talking about it being wide open and stuff like that. I don't see one of those top quarterbacks fall into twenty six, but it would be interesting if one did, just to see, you know how, what they really really feel about their quarterback situation going forward. Are you at four names? There? Four names with C. J. Strout Ohio State, Bryce Young Alabama,

Will Levis Kentucky, Anthony Richardson Florida. Those are the four. Those are my four names. Stroud, Young, Levis, Richardson would be my four. And the thing about it is and but I literally like Kendon Hooker and I mentioned him quite a bit. But I would be interested to see because I remember in previous drafts that the green Bay Packers, Ted Thompson, the general manager in green Bay, was not

going to draft Aaron Rodgers. He didn't think Aaron Rodgers, any quarterback was going to get to him, you know. And so all of a sudden, you know, they're sitting there at twenty four and they've got Brett Farve on their roster, you know, and I know Brett Farve was towards the end of his career, but Ted Thompson had no intention to draft in a quarterback in that first round. And he goes he told the guys in the room, he says, boys, we can't pass this guy, can we?

And they didn't, you know, and that's sometimes sometimes you get to a point where if you have a player that's high enough on your board and he slides to you, you can't pass that player. Consider you know, you don't want to ever. You always hear me say this, don't window dress your board. Sure put these players where you

honestly believe you would take them. A guy lost his job here, Tom Suskowski lost his job here because of they had a defensive tackle from Florida Floyd in the first round and at the top five pick, and when it came time to pick him, they didn't pick him, you know. And now all of a sudden there was a big argument like, well, why are you And that's

when Will McClay took over the draft. But that's that's where that's where you you you know, you got to be careful because if you're putting players on that board and you're not willing to take him. When it's you you get the opportunity, then you're not doing yourself any favors. Sure your board, your your your board is not true to who you are. It'd be fascinating if one slid. We kind to saw that a couple of years ago at Justin Fields. They had the opportunity with Fields falling

into ten, they moved back. That's where I like the idea of a quarterback sliding. And I also want I wonder because of the fifth year option, if a team decides, hey, we really like Hendon Hooker and the medicals checked out

where he's going to be ready to go? Is that a guy that maybe a team would move up to get just to get that fifth year option at the bottom of the first round, and you could benefit off of that by maybe stockpiling some more picks, maybe a future one for next year, depending on how far a team has to move up. I think all of those are really intriguing, intriguing ideas. We've had that conversation a couple of times that at twenty six, do you feel like the board would dry up enough to where they

would entertain that option? Now, the level of the compensation would certainly change sure the narrative there, because if some team comes in and they've just got a ton of compensation, you're gonna take it. But if there's a position group that's not available there for the Cowboys at twenty six would be the Cowboys. Teams know that they know that that's a target to where they can come up and

maybe try and acquire that twenty six. I think you to me, there's as I study this thing, and I don't want to speak for you guys, as I study this there's going to be a player that they really like at twenty six. I just think it's it's so deep in certain positions, and they've left themselves open to being able to take whichever one they want. If they want to take if they want to take a tight end, if they want to take one of these defensive tackles, if they want to take a corner, if they want

to take a wide receiver. I think I think there's plenty of I think there's plenty of options for them to do. I just feel like the quarterback one is always an interesting discussion when you really don't feel like you need one, But in this day and age, as you continue to pay these quarterbacks forty five to soon be fifty million dollars. You know, this is an organization that can move on from a quarterback and not be worried about it. And I say that because the owner

is the general manager. If you're sitting there some of these other places. My buddy Jason Lte in Tampa, he was going to get fired until Tom Brady came along. Less Snead was going to get fired, you know, until some of the moves happened out there with the Rams. If you don't have a quarterback, you will sell your soul.

I live this with the Cowboys nearly two thousands. I would have given anything to be through what the way people are moving quarterbacks in this day and age, like willingness to part with you know, Derek Carrs and Matt Staffords and people like that. We were playing with baseball players because nobody give up their quarterback. Nobody give up

their quarterback. So now, I mean, I think the Cowboys are a situation where you know, if your job depends on it, you will sell your soul for a quarterback. But here they don't have to. And this is the first organization I thought that wouldn't pay a quarterback forty million dollars and they didn't, and they did, they did, And now there are a lot of Cowboys fans that are on the fence about Dak Prescott and the season that he had. That doesn't matter. It's he's your quarterback,

he's your franchise guy. I will say that's a transition though, because we were talking in our group message about what we wanted to hit today, why or why not guys that you're on the fence about draftwise, we were able to put together a list of guys that you aren't necessarily out on, but aren't necessarily in on that any of these on the fence guys that you could see. I'm gonna start with Zach Waldshut. Oh great, I'm gonna see what waldschut. Can I go first? I'll go first.

Go let me go first. Okay, are you are you guys in and out on Lucas fan Ness from Iowa? Okay, this is a good one. Are you in and out? If Lucas fan Ness defensive end from Iowa gets to you, are you in or out on him? We're talking about at twenty six at twenty six? Oh come out? Why

is that? Go for it? Why I'm out. I think I'll talked to Brian about this the other day like this and this is no knock to to the program, but we talk about Iowa guys and what they bring and how fundamentally sound they are and stuff, and there's just a viciousness that I look for in d N's and um, I just don't know how much he likes getting hit in the mouth, like and I just don't that means something to me, Like that means something to me in pursuiting the stuff and watching him is like

if he gets hit in the mouth a couple of times, he doesn't respond that well, similar to to me, similar to how you see some of the Bosta brother for the Niners. If you run at him, if you go at him, he gets exhausted, whatever the case may be. But I just I don't I don't see if I don't see a first round I don't see a first round player there, jes see you always coming. Why are you gonna say it like that? I don't think. I don't. I don't think you're wrong. I don't think that. It's

not that I don't think he's tough tough enough. I just don't know if he's battle tested enough for me to be like, yeah, that ye fairness, and that's just just my personal that's I think that's fair. At twenty six, i'd be I think I'm out on him too, And I just I didn't love the guy that I watched and I saw Paris Johnson from Ohio State. I got to see that game in person and I went back and studied it. I thought he handled him pretty well. He's not a guy that I think has an amazing

pass rush ability right that you tap into. He's a good all around player, plays the run solid. I think he can kick inside, play some defensive tackle. And it's interesting because you had dan Quinn working him out. Maybe Dick you really likes him, and look, if deck you likes a guy, fine, you know, if you stand on the table for him, I'm gonna trust in dan Quinn. But when I watched him, I'm with y Aisha. I was like, I don't see the top ten, top twenty

type of hype. Now. If he falls to twenty six, maybe, but I think I'm out more than I'm in on him, and he might be one of the guys that I'm most wrong about him this entire club. I think he is the same way. I think that both Ayisha and Zach have seen him the right way. I have more questions about him than I have good positive answers. He

played in a rotating system there at Iowa. I just when it came down to like, okay, gotta have a play, gotta have a play, I just didn't see it with a guy that you know, some of these other defensive ends. I see these guys make plays a lot, and I questioned about him a little bit. Bobby, I always get

a little when we talk about biases. I guess I always get a little hesitant when we're talking about a first round edge rusher who the first thing that you point to when you talk about their skill set a lot of times is power. Like when it's power is the top thing at the edge, it's like, all right, well, but power is not like the top trade I'm necessarily looking for on the edge. Now, it's important you want to play with it. You don't want to be a guy with no play strength or who gets bullied or

whatever else. But when that's the lead, that's what you're leading with is man. The power that this guy plays with and the toughness and the physicality everything. That's like, that's not what I'm looking for off the edge I want to see. And I know he tested fairly well, yeah across what I didn't see. The athleticisms showed up. But to be fair, the last time I saw a guy who it's like, man, he plays with a lot of power, plays some push poll technique, doesn't quite look

like the athlete on tape that he tested. Like the last guy we described like that was T. J. Watt, where Watt tested way above what he looked like physically on tape and what was a push poll guy and didn't show a lot of the stuff that he's now using at the next level. So I'll always defer. If they look at it and they say, nope, these traits are here, it's like, well, I trust the scouting staff. They've been right about guys that we've had questions about before.

But that's a hesitancy for me. Is when I was here, like is if power is the lead on an edge rusher, I'm like, Okay, well, let me pull back a little bit. I don't know that that's what I want to spend first round capital on compared to the rest of the edge rush class. You have Will Anderson at the top out of Alabama, Tyree Wilson's up there to Texas Tech. Nolan Smith from Georgia. Is he the second start of the second tier or is he kind of mixed in a little bit lower than that for you Nolan Smith,

Ojularie McDonald from Iowa State and Van Ness. Because in that order, that order that's one through four, that's no, that's second round Wilson, Anderson, Murphy and then now second Nolan Smith, Ojilari Lsu McDonald Iowa State, van Ness from Iowa. It would be that in that group. Well, I was gonna say too. We talked about Dan Quinn and he was up in Iowa doing his you know, making his rounds. Like if you if he worked out VanNess and then when worked out Will McDonald, Yeah, it's not gonna look

the same. They're not gonna look like the same. And that's what I'm saying, Like I at this point with d N respectfully, I want an athlete. I want the pursuit. I want to speed because at this juncture, I just feel like those guys can they can change the game. We're starting to see it and I'm looking at more of how much of an athlete is this guy, how how how's this pursuit, how's this speed or whatever. I do understand that edge is something like they got to

defend the run and everything. But at this point, like when you brought up the point about power, Bobby, like that's fine, Like, yeah, I want the power to play the run, but at the same time, I want somebody that's gonna changed the game. Also on that side though, when they if they were to go and I think they would like McDonald dan Vaness. I think I'm sure

they have positive feelings about both of them. If you do want to look at what has dan Quinn typically had on the edge, van Ness is more the physical attributes that he's looked for. He has looked for more stout, I mean just running off of obviously he's out of Vic Beasley before, but like think of those Seattle defensive ends when he was there. Think about guys that he's

played with in Atlanta. Adrian Clayborne was a guy that played with him over there, and Clayborne was more of that strong, powerful So I think there is I wouldn't be surprised if he would not have a problem with van Nett like if you compare the two physical profiles, if he looked and said, well, van Ness fits more of what I've typically liked to have there, Not that it would rule out Will McDonald or anything else, but I think physical profile, there's there's probably an arguments we

made that van Ness fits more of like that mold shots that he's had before. Yeah, got another guy, man, how about cut? Throw another guy? I love doing this game. This is one of my favorite games. Mazzi Smith from Michigan defensive tackle. I was hoping to save him for the last second of Let's last. I'll throw you another name? How about this one? How about how about Marvin Mims? Oh at time? Give me Marvin Mims all day? Baby? Yeah, Marvin Mims is being slept on big time in this draft.

He's might have to just I'm just wire? Why not? Why no? It doesn't have to be at twenty six wire? Why yeah, i'd wire? Why not? Would you take the guy that makes me feel better? Yeah? No, I'm not taking him in the first round, But but I think I'd have that conversation at fifty eight a lot like the Cowboys did with Tolbert last year. I think people are worried about Marvin Mims because of the size. You know, if he plays outside, see guy that's going to be

able to get off press coverage. I think he's so crafty and he's so quick with his technique and his speed and quickness that he's gonna be fine. You know. I think he's a guy you can move around all over the formation. He's a big play guy for being may maybe a five eleven smaller receiver. He plays big. He'll high point the football, he'll go up and get it the body, the way he's able to contort his body in the air track the football. He's also a guy that I think is gonna fit really well within

the Cowboys offense. Think about the West Coast scheme. Get him the ball and move in space on the run, let him go make plays. I think Marvin Mims to me, has the chance to be one of the best receivers in this draft class outside of the size, which I agree with you completely because I mean, you and I have watched Marvin for for years now. But with his size, he plays bigger. What's another knock to his game. I think she's got it. Huh No, I was just I was what Asha laying on us see the twinkle in

the eye. No, I mean because you brought up tober and I So my question to you guys about Marvin Mims is, are you worried about are you worried about his his route tree, him knowing the whole that was my knock took. He needs a little bit more added

onto there because he's only done. I mean, he's his vertical game and then underneath that's about it does question though, right a knock like I'm just right, I'm saying it's more an unknown I don't know that it's a legitimate Kno, it's a coachable thing, right right, well, and it's just something we don't know, yeh. Like you know, there's been questions before about like when Josh Allen got to the NFL. They didn't know about Josh Allen's whiteboard work, they didn't

know about Mahomes. Mahomes was another one. There were a lot of teams that felt like, Okay, we don't necessarily know what he's like because of the system that he ran, So it's not necessarily it's just more of a question, I guess, no doubt feel like that it's we don't know the answer as opposed to this is something we've seen on tape and it's a negative and it doesn't look good. Well yeah, and then also too, I mean

he has the return ability. Sure brings that immediately, and I think that's something that teams are definitely looking at. That's an important part of things. I love his acceleration, I like his quick release. Right, It's a lot I like about him. And then if you talk about you know what you're supposed to, what you're possibly doing in this offense, he definitely is a guy you can set him up. You can set him up to have success in this in this offense if it is going to

go the way you're supposed to go. So, yeah, what do you guys think about him? I mean the biggest question for him would probably be I think they feel comfortable with it. The original question I would have been curious about with them would have been if they thought he could play outside. Now that there was some of it at Oklahoma, but there wasn't you know, there is a question about whether that's where he could succeed at

the next level. I think as they're going through their values, I think Dallas is potentially becoming more comfortable with the idea that he could play around, and they just acquired a guy who's a similar size. Brandon Cooks is five weighs one hundred and eighty five pounds. If you want to talk about knocks on mims, I don't know how tight the route running always is um and I think that if it's contested at all, it's tipping the defense's way. There's not a lot of contested finishes. He's got his

his off the line of scrimmagees, releases are good. He's quick, he's fast, he can get separation, do it all those things. If a corner is on him, if a corner reads him and stays on the route with him, that that's pretty much game over for his round. How many corners did he play in the Big twelve that were able to do that? How many defensive players are in the Big twelve period? That's what I kind of It's funny. I was talking to somebody the other day and they

made reference that I had to look. I think it's been we are the last five all pro teams haven't had a single Big twelve player on defense. Wow. So I mean that's a conference that's been hurting for defensive players for a while about to get one picked in the top ten this year, though, Kyrie Wilster Wilson cat throw one more name out real quick. I know you got Twitter on the twenty cabin up here, Twitter on

the thirty. Yeah, it's very flexible, fungible, as you'd like to say in the radio world, Ty Jay spears the running back from Tulane. What are you doing over? I mean he's picking all my favorite guys. I'm in and I'm just asking. Yeah, I'm I'm one hundred percent in the third round. Man, I think that that can be your future starter and you don't have to worry about it. Yep. I think he can do everything for you. He's so electric. I have I have an early fourth round grade on him.

But if he's there in the third, at late third, I'm I'm taking him. Yeah. If if that's what they feel comfortable with, if they go with it there, I'm in because I think he's a playmaker. I think he could be better than what I even had him grated at on the fence. Win third round, third round, third round, I'm in. Yeah, any earlier, anybody earlier than now. No, No, we're not go Earl go for it. I consider it in round two. I would at fifty eight. Yeah, well,

because he's the best player on the field. Every time I watch you, you are getting a playmaker, like yeah, and in a sense of like the way that you talk about Tony Pollitter is like, yeah, just getting a runner back, you getting a playmaker. And I think Taija is a lineba a linebacker's worst night. Oh yes. And so if you if you, if you can get favorable matchups there, I think he could be. I don't know, Okay, I prefer him. I prefer him in round three. Heck, if you can get him in four, I would have

a party. You might have to go around early on some of these cats. But but that's exactly what I'm thinking, Like, if you got a guy that you really want, like I would take Spears over Eh. Personally, I'm not there. Yeah, I'm not there on that need to He didn't know how that knee looks to spears? Yes, a cl Yes, he's he's got some knee questions. Is that recent? That's he's got some knee questions. People were wondering about it not I don't know how it came out of any

but I know people were heading into Andy. Just Hey, we'd like to look at the name. Interesting. I think he's all right, are just fine in his last college game plus against USC, So yeah, that's an interesting all right. I've got a couple other names, but I'll we're gonna save him for the third segment because I want to go back to it. We're gonna get back through. I want to hit Mossy Smith there too, because there were

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look at him at end? Right? No, he's listened as an edge rusher. Yeah, but I'm watching I was watching him before our show yesterday and like all of his impact plays inside, fast and athletic and twitchy. Does not mean you got to put him on the edge. Almost said it almost cussed. Don't mean you got to put somebody on the edge, man, goadjam all right, it's time now for your favorite segment, your favorite segment of the show.

It's time for some Oh it was real quiet, but it was there, It was there, It was really quiet. All right, let's go with Mario. Yeah, let's go with Mario. He says, are there any other spots on the roster you'd like to see a dress before declaring this draft a true and unbiased BPA draft. I think I think they're there, though, is it already there? I think that's that's part of the answer. Go get me a linebacker. I need another line Okay, linebacker was the first thing

I thought of. And uh, I mean, I don't know why we were sleeping on kickers, man, I mean, I mean, look, not start, what are they gonna do a kicker? They're gonna draft my guy, Jake Moody from Michigan in the third round instead of Taje Spears for Zach Well, what the heck? No? If it if it hadn't been our guy from prosper last year. Then go to the Brown feel like, yeah, wait, you say linebacker, right, you got one in mine? Uh no, just I mean go find another.

It's I mean it honestly doesn't. That does me no good right now. But I mean, if we're talking about just we're talking about their contingencies should really go into the draft. So if you're talking about laugh, no, just go get me another veteran, bout it. You've lost Luke Gifford, nobody's replaced him yet, and that was somebody who got snaps for you in the second half. You still have questions about Jabrille Cox demon Clark will see how he

you know, continues not wrong. There's always questions about vander Esh's durability and Michael Parsons rushes a lot. So yeah, you probably need to stick at least one more veteran in here to really feel like you're covered heading into there, I would have no chance you're getting They're not gonna They're not going to get Bobby Well. No, no, that's what you're thinking. I'm not saying wager. I'm talking about I mean goodness, Like when they signed Jasper Brinkley for

Minnesota years going. That costs us a million five. But I'm saying that in place, that's the kind of guy you probably good or I think you guys mentioned on a radio the other day are signed are gone? Yeah he would have been. He would have been a great signing. Ceraly think they're completely out on Wagner. I really don't think they're trust you think it's out, Yeah, I think. I think in the next two weeks not I know you live in this I know you live in this building,

but I thinks can be fluid, things can change. Maybe maybe you got your ice, you know, depressions down. I do think a defensive tackle is the other one, and I'm really hopeful they bring back Hankins. He's dragging his feet on your man, but hey, that's that's an areas they need to address de tackle. He made such a positive impact for them when they brought him in, you know, keeping Layton vander Esch clean, keeping your line, but also in the run game is while I think they do

need to still address a big boy defensive tap. People ask me about a Shawan Robinson and I can't. I'm sorry I couldn't tell you and do it. Okay, I can't. I mean no, no, no, I I got him up. Yes, I mean to watch it. I need to watch him, is what I'm saying. I haven't seen him play in a while, I think, unless my son play was in Detroit. Yeah, so I'm you know, I'm I don't know about that. Anybody gotta says, Bobby brought it up before we go

to anybody got a linebacker in the first round? No, No, probably not, probably like that I would grade in the first round. Yeah, yeah, Sanders You've got Sanders is a first round Yeah, I think And I like the abletic Sanders is really good local too. Kid. And I'm just throwing a name out here. You want to talk about special teams, has defensive snaps. Personnel department knows him. Damian

Wilson's a free agent. Okay, I'm saying that that kind of a name, But like when you're talking about that's the type of name I'm talking about adding, just like the way they signed Hi Dooga. It's the same. It's gonna the same kind of confident. Got you at it?

Just somebody in here at linebacker? All right? Will Stone asked, y'all have done a great job down the top corners in the draft, But could you break down some of the Day two guys, because of course cowboys going out and getting stuff on Gilmore Corner at twenty six isn't off the table completely, but it's less of a likable scenario. So where could some of these Day two guys be ranked?

Anybody have names that they like Day two corners, but Clark Phillips from Utah Okay, Yes, yeah, yeah, I consider Clark Phillips in the second round. He's a little bit smaller, but super quick feet. That's what I worry about, Like the size is that going to be an issue because he's one of the few that's not doesn't have the length and is like a six foot two massive guy.

He's more of a compact build with good speedby you watch it against Jordan Addison, that was some fun tape to watch those two going back and forth, runs really well. Can get lost in traffic a little bit. He got caught a few times when he was in man coverage and he's got to run through the trash there. But he's a fun guy and he plays. He plays with some chippiness, which I'm always looking forward with corners. DJ

Turner from Michigan. For me, is a guy that I would really like to see and uh, I mean to me, he's really I think he's a really could be a really good nickel to start out with. He's a smaller guy. Though he's five eleven, he's one hundred and seventy eight pounds. He did get a little bullied in the Michigan State game where they're pushing off him. But other than that, man, this guy is a hard guy to run away from. I think he could play on either side of the field.

And you know, like I say that slot stuff. With his size, his movement, I mean, I think that he's he's got a real shot to be a big time player in this league. Did you tell me more about Trevias Hodge Tomlinson. I have not seen him, I haven't. I mean I watched him play in college, but I haven't. I haven't done the deep dive when it comes to the tape. Also maybe a size question there, But he's another guy that plays. I mean, he's aggressive. I think

he runs really well. Personally, he's intriguing. To me, his height, arm and weight is all smaller than I anything. Will McClay has ever drafted. Yeah, it's probably why none of us have taken a look at him here. Oh yeah, he'll he'll be here next Friday. If oh that's true. He's Dallas guys. There we go very nice. That's nice. Yeah, I mean they bring in the qualifiers, they bring in all their qualified like, I mean, that doesn't that doesn't

always indicate like super strong interest. It's to get a closer look. I like Jalen Jones at Texas A and m Okay, yeah, I think I think you're onto side. I think Jones when you talk now, the long speed's not there. Um, But I mean I feel like a lot of his issues are just in need of coaching, like technique issues and and things like that. But I think we talk about like the physicality, the natural instincts I think are really good. The size is right up

the dan Quinn two arms are a little short. But the thing about him, I think this guy might be I thought he might be a little bit of a more better safety project because of his physical style. This guy loves to hit. I mean, he loves to tackle. He's got I felt like the length that corner gives him a little bit of some problems. You're right about that, but also said like with him is the ball skills.

When he gets his hands on the ball, I could finish They'll line him up on both sides the field, the toughness to size, I'll be My last line was I'll be interested to see where NFL team's view in this position. Wise, I think he is a perfect matchup for tight ends. Like if you're in a division where you're playing against the Travis Kelcey's twice a year, I would take this guy and I'm gonna put him on tight ends and I think he's going to cause them

real problem. Because I'm with you. His body types interesting. He's kind of got like a linebacker build in his upper body and then it goes back to corner in the lower body. So I can see the safety traits there. But it's just to me watch him. I was like, man, I think he can match up well like we saw with Byron Jones being able to cover tight ends. I think he's really he can be a good player against tight ends in the next level. What you got any names?

I mean, Okay, so I'm still fresh to him because I just started looking at him. But Eli Rix, I'm glad you brought that up. Is a guy that I just started school. I don't really know a whole much about him yet I'm asking you guys like, well, good, no, it's a really good name. And it's funny when when you guys start talking about the A and M kid, I add my Eli Ricks notes up out of Alabama at Alabama. This guy's six two one eight is where. Yeah, he went to school at LSU. Was a transfer from

LSU to to Alabama. And you know he I'll tell you what, man, he is one of those guys that you got to try and figure him out because there's some really there's some for his size, there's some quickness to his game, the way he reacts. He is an outstanding job and not allowing the receiver inside on him on the slant. And I always and Biemer's doing us a favor here with some highlights up. If you're watching

this on your devices and stuff, Eli Ricks. One of the things if you are a corner and I see you covering guys on the slant and knocking the ball down just like we just saw right there, you're my guy, because that's the hardest thing to defend when you get receivers on those inbreaking cuts and you could play the ball well like that. This game you're watching right there, if you want to start a game with him. The Mississippi State game was one of his best games that

he had on tape. Sidney Brown is climbing. I've mentioned him before. I think his nickel ability really is gonna have some people looking at him in the second or a third because that's I mean, that's kind of what a lot of people are going too now. And he has flexibility to play on the outside of the inside. He's sneaky. He's sneaky getting behind just sneak. I just

think he's sneaky period. You don't see him a lot of the time, and coverage, maybe you do decide to move into free save years on them that I don't know one other one other name that I just want to throw out there, Darius Rush, Yeah, so let's go. Dame Brugler brought him up at the combine when he was on our show and we were talking about him. He was impressive at the combine four three six forty came right out out after it. He's not great over the top, but his speed makes me think he can

get there. There is a couple times on tape where he gets up some space, especially on the vertical routes. He's going down the sideline, he plays the outside corner spot, he travels, he plays both sides of the field. I think he's really he's a project. So day two perfect, Yeah, because he's got hurted receiver and exactly he was converted from receiver after two years and they play two years

of corner. Think of anybody across the building that did that right feed in his play and when you talk about guys breaking on balls and stuff like that, he has that same he has. Yeah, we're talking Darius one. Yeah. I was thinking, Man, if you could get him pick ninety in the third round, I'd be in heaven there because he runs the routes better than the receiver does.

He can tell what's coming. And I think the the the ceiling, you look at the upside for this guy, Brian, I know, sometimes we gotta we gotta go ahead and describe. But so the ceiling is, you know, how good can this guy potentially become? The floor is He's a safe pick basically, But I think Darius Rush his best football's ahead of him. Rush is a guy who you watched Rush. I have you have not watched Rush? Okay? I think

he gets beat off the line of scrimmage way too often. Okay, Like I mean, anybody who throws an exotic release at him, he gets beat. And I think double moves give him problems. If we're talking about comparisons, you're sure, yeah, because he's a little raw. I mean, if you're not wrong, I mean there's there's definitely some things he needs to work on. And uh, let's go about the evaluation of the players back to Rix. Uh, A lot of teams doing homework

on him off the field. Yeah, the field, I knowed it, Like when I started have you have you guys ever started watching a player and then I don't know, Sometimes your intuition tells you like every time I started wanting to watch, what is that not true? There's still our guy here? So you had this spider sense about some with ricks, well, I mean somebody I've been told by people that was not I didn't have any intuition I have, but that was I'll give you something. I'll give you

something about the kid. His mom super involved to that point. That's that's working out really well for NFL players. Yeah, Mom, is mom is super super involved and might be thinking that he should be a first overall pick. How about that? Does that that help you? Number one? That's yeah, that's his family. I mean, it's a it's a very demanding family on anywhere he goes. So he's following in the other elis the Ravens out for taking Eli Ricks? Then yeah,

I think that one's out too, all right, Tim? Tim asked on Twitter. He said McCarthy said he wants to run the football. I think that's false. What if the following players wrong? What of the what of the following players do you think would help the Cowboys run game most at twenty six? So they're gonna say Bijan's off the board? Would it be Gibbs out of Alabama? Darnell Washington from Georgia. That's a good, that's a good that's

a good thought right there. Or the offensive guards either Osiris Torrance from Florida or Steve a Vila from TCU. Which one of those four would help you run the ball better at twenty six? Take a tackle? Yes, Darnel Washington, I'm asking, I'm asking you're taking an extra tackle? No, I mean, but in the state of what like looking at we've all starts to look at these guards? Yeah, are you pushing it? If you get I mean, besides Osirius like Villa, is you consider him a first rounder?

I've got he's on the customer. I think. I don't think at twenty six. I don't think that's a terrible would be terrible? Okay, that's fine, But are the tackles better? Wait? Are you are you? Are you stumping for Washington right now? Who's playing tackle? But like who who? Who? Would where would they step in at? If you get a tackle, if you get a tackle, you're that rookie's playing tackle and Tyler's playing guard. I'm out on Tyler Smith moving inside.

That's that Tyler Smith is the traits. They are so rare and were looked so much better at tackle as opposed to guard last year. Yeah, to that question, I wouldn't want to move. I would if we're talking about taking a tackle and it's at the expense of moving Tyler Smith inside, I don't want to do it. But these guards, But you think that you think Osiris and a Villa are good enough to plug in a guard day one? Yeah, I think they could. They could serve for you, I think, I think, yeah, I think they

both could. I would actually I might prefer a Velo over Torrance. Boom boom. I don't think you're alone. I don't think you're alone, not alone. I don't think I'm alone under this roof. I agree. No, I mean, what are you trying to say? Are you going to get a text message? Here? No? No, no, no, here's here? Like, uh, you want to comp on a vila? Not super but more athletic ron Leary oh tatize role speaking highly. I think both of them have a little Leary in their games.

But I'm with you, I mean, you're not at all. I would take either of those guys at twenty six, and I think that's plug and play. You can start them both at left guard, and let's let's let anybody go to work. Anybody, anybody insers in that massive tight end at Georgia when you first said, who's the guy that will impact you the most, they're at twenty six. Gibs is good. Gibbs is good at Alabama. Yeah, gives, he is. Gives. He's damn good at Albam. He's gonna

be an all pro. He's gonna end up in a really good system because he is gonna be drafted late in the first round that he'll be an all pro sometime. I personally, i'd rather take John Michael Schmidtz than either of those guys, But you I don't know. I don't know that the Cowboys will do that. But I think John Michael Schmitts is better than Torrance and that's fair. So if it's give me John Michael Schmittz any day of the week, he's gonna kill it. If it's a boy,

he might kill it. I like him. He's a good player. To the specific question of which one of these helps the running game most, now you're good. Probably the guard, Yeah, the guard. The guard more than Washington, more than Gibbs. That's why I was getting it, because if you're telling me like a running back at the first round that I'm assuming we're talking maybe like third round for a guard, or you're talking about pick a guard in the first round or something like that, and then you're picking a

running back in the third. I think the drop off to guard in the third as opposed to drop off to running back and completely agree much steeper. We just talked about spirit, We just talked about spears, from two lane. I mean we were all we were jumping up and down like we were cheerleaders. Yeah, I'll say, you kid in a candy store over here. All right, let's take

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the twenty questions about our guy. Well, that's what's coming down to. People are trying to figure out which one of these one techniques could be the guy that they take. I don't know if they would do that, but I'm trying to figure out would Mazzy Smith be the guy that they bucked the trend on there? So would you do it at twenty six? I probably wouldn't. Okay, I probably wouldn't. Why is that because I got other guys

I think that are better myself. And I feel like, though when I looked at my board and stuff with with Mozzi Smith, though I like the kid from I like the kid from Wisconsin better. Oh, I mean I like Benton better. I just do. And you know, and I could be way wrong about that. It's nothing against Mazzy Smith because for a big guy, he moves pretty well. There's nothing flashy about him at all. But you know that he's a dirty work a guy. And you know, I think when you look at his athletic ability for

a man's size, it is rare. But he comes off the ball, he's gonna be a load to handle when he's working one on one. And but there's I mean, all the stuff you're gonna get pass rush wise is just push with power and stuff like that. He can be a little bit disruptive. But I just feel like though to me that Benton would be a little bit better choice because I think you could do more with him than you can with Massy Smith. But Mossie Smith

is a good player, just not very flashy. It depends on what you want well as far as Mossy goes. To me, it just depends on what the team is looking for. If you not can he. I know people have talked about like, is he going to develop some pass rushability? Is as something you see in his game? Sure, I guess you can say that if you really look at him. But what he does well, which I think that you should bring him in to do well, is to just stop the run. I mean, he's at the

bottom of every pile. He's just that dude, right. So to me, it just depends on what your team want. Do you want some pass rushability from the middle the defense or you don't care about that. You are your edge rushers dominant enough to where you're not looking for that. So I don't think that he would be somebody that they would pick. You can give you a little wiggle

in the middle. I think you can too. But what I'm going to ask is is right back along your line of thinking, because it goes back to scheme versus a player. Are you picking the guy to fit into your scheme and fit into your current system, or are you picking the best player available. If you're picking miss Smith at twenty six, it's very likely you're picking a guy for your scheme because he would fit here in a heartbeat. They need a big stopper in the middle.

They need a run stuff or they need somebody who's going to take up multiple gaps and allow those edge rushers to get free, allow those three techniques like Osakizhua to get free. Would you do that at twenty six or do you think they would do that at twenty six because they haven't done that in a while. Go back to well, you have to go back to Kelvin Pritchard, I think at nineteen I mean him and yeah, the defensive tack they can and it real quick. And I'll

get to your part of it in your notes. When you guys went back and watch this player, how did you think this guy finished? Okay, see I put I have that in my notes. Doesn't always finish plays when he's in position to break down and make a stop. See. That's the thing about it is if I'm gonna have a guy that's doing dirty work just holding up blocks, I'm cool. But you know we did see it with Hankins.

You do see finish, you know, you do see if you're gonna hold up Like when the Hankins made a saving play in a game a fourth and one and he trips, I mean, he's it's when he ripped his you know, when he got hurt, when he hurt his peck. He's making a play where he's fighting off a block and then tripping a guy in fourth and one with Manzi Smith. You do see him make plays, but then there's other times where it's not. It's not and you're like thinking, he's there, he should make He's there again,

he should make that play. He's there again. You know. That's the thing that I kind of was. I think he's a really really good player. I do. I just wish did he finished better when got when gets opportunities. He's got really impressive size. He's a like, I mean, he's a freak athlete for how big he is. And that's why it's so discouraging to me how frequently he seems to lose the gap, which it's not like all the time, but it happens way more than it should

with his size, and so that's a big thing. And the other thing just in as a rule, I don't want to take two down players in the first round, and I think he's a two down player. Why I don't care how good Jordan Davis was, I wouldn't I didn't want Jordan Davis last year. I don't know if I agree on Jordan Davis, but I see what your thought process is. Jordan Davis, by the way, thirteen games last year, finished the season with zero quarterback hits. That's

the player you get. And I don't want to take that at twenty six, just like I don't want to take the strength power is the focus on the edge like that kind of player. I want somebody who's going to impact the passing game with the pressures and the sacks and stuff like. That's well, and he brought up with a Cowboys draft. Then will you look at Dan Quinn and what he's done um drafting or his imprint you can sell he's had on the draft this last couple of years. You look at a Neville Gallimore, that

guy wei has some pass rushability. You look at Olso Diggi Zua, he has some pass rushability. You look at Um quiet As Cup Chauncey Ghoston he has somehow created Yeah, and to what is relevant to this draft right now, which is nuts to me because I totally forgot that they did draft Chauncey ghost as a as a edge and he was the power I'll stop the run guy yeah,

exactly put size on him. Yeah, last year where he literally fits the mold of what a lot of the good dts or pass rushing dts in this lage point. So I wonder if that changes whether you decide because he's on the uptick. It looked like, so I want to have to change. Do you decide if you want to go down now? Because you already got like, you know what. It's funny because and I know Bohanna was

a sixth round pick, Yeah, but he's done nothing for you. Really, I mean if you and you're talking about it, and I'm not saying Mozzi Smith is, but you mean, I think when you watch Bohannah play at Kentucky, because I remember watching jam And Davis the linebacker, yeah, and feeling like every play that Davis made was because Bohannah was like kind of you know, ninety five was not getting turned and all that stuff like that. I felt like that Bohanna has played better at Kentucky than he has

for the Dallas Cowboy. Yeah. I would agree with that. But the thing about Monzi Smith that's a little bit different is that his athleticism is higher than Bohanna. Briannah was a trash game full of dirty. He's a big guy that's going to take up space. Smith can at least have a little bit of athleticism to him. The one thing I didn't like, and this goes to Bobby's point, the one knock I had was motor. He does not have that high motor and I think that goes to

the finish ability. I don't think he can really finish through. Is that something that can change? Though? Can you change that with the right coaching staff, with a dan Quinn led staff to where he's that you've been on aiden dirty? I think dirty? Yeah, dirty, I think and dirty. I think that you uh, I think you have to bet on that with what they're able to do with these linemen, I do. That's why when they go and work out of van Ness or somebody like that, and I'm sitting

there like, man, I don't see it. I don't see it, and you're starting to think, wait a minute, if he comes here, these are the guys that are gonna help. These are the guys that, yeah, that part of it does help me mentally, you know. With when you start talking about these players, Bobby, do you have a why or why not name available? Do you have anybody that's that you're on the fence about that you want to

throw out there before we get going. I like the player, but I struggle with how he fits in the modern NFL. And we've talked about himself and how he fits at the evolution the position, and that's Michael Mayer from Notre Dame. Okay, let's talk about him. It's like, I really think he's a good player. I think he does everything well, but it's one of those things where it's like, Okay, this is great, You're you're solid across the board, But to me, it's like, does that fit in the modern view of

what you're supposed to do? It tight end these days, Like it feels like a lot of the reasons why Dalton Schultz probably isn't here anymore is because he couldn't do certain things that I feel like Michael Mayer can't do either, And so I have issues with him because I know he's a good player. I don't have any doubt that he'll be a good player at the next level. I just don't know that he's the right player for this era at the position. Yeah, I think that I

wrote down respectfully. I think that I wrote down, can do it all, but don't wow wow me with nothing could start? Yeah, could starts, jack of all trades, master of none. He's powerful, he can start. Yeah. Is he is very much so? That's a that's a good Compactually he very much so. Is the like the standard tight end that like, yeah, he can do everything or whatever. But even when you see him test and stuff like, there's not that explosiveness. Even when he catches the ball.

You see him catch the ball, and he's catching the ball, then he's going It's not like one fluid movement. And I just think the tight end position, like you're saying Bobby, is evolving in a way that I'm not sure. I think it matters when it's not. Yeah, it's not quite as clean and smooth as a kincaide or a must rave. But man, I do like Michael Mayer one, you can

plug a man. He's gonna be productive. But is he going to You're gonna look across the pond and see another tiny getting busy catching one hand and balls and have a yak ability and whatever. Y Well, that was the downfall. That was the downfall of slow that guy down in the open field. Man, I mean hard to tackling yack is two different ice. For he's yeah, he's got yak more so than a Dalton Schultz does. I would agree with that, but that's not hard to do it. Man.

You guys got me super nervous about this guy. You think he's no no no I I because to me, I have him is tied end one. And the way you describe it, and looking at my notes and stuff like that, you know, there's things about him that makes him just pretty ordinary. Is a tight end? Yeah, you know. And then if you read the other notes when you're talking about Musgrave and others that we you know, that we've that we've you know, visited on, it doesn't sound

is nice. And like what we're playing modern football with the krusty scout here, guys like, oh man, this guy's steady, soft hands, drags underneath, catches, the ball gets up the field looks pretty good in the red zone. But you're right, the modern tight end is the one that is causing defensive coordinators nightmares exactly. And I and Michael Mayer for being tight in one. For me, that's the question I

have is that is he that nightmare guy? I graded a pretty steady, reliable player, but maybe in this day and age, you need to play with a lot more than that. He's really good, he's but I mean it's like, uh, it's like comparing and these are obviously Hall of famers on a different sport, but it's like comparing like a Tim Duncan power forward versus like a dirt power forward, and what they can do and the matchup problems they present where fundamentally sound across the board. He's strong, but

it's like, is that the way you win today? Which is why I got Kincaid is the number one tight end over him? I have Kincaid number one, may or number two, must Grave number three. That's where I have. If you got a young quarterback, Yeah, you guys, you guys, you guys are right about them. It's the downfall of Dalton Sholds. Dalton Scholtz is a good tight end, but he was a replaceable tight end. That's why you didn't

pay him that money. He's replaceable. But you went and got two guys last year, one of the fourth round. One is an undrafted free agent that are able to fill his production, or so they think. In this this system, is there a tight end at the top of the draft that is not so replaceable, that can come in and be special. That's that might be where you have the conversation of these three tight ends that are at least draftable. My hope is such Mayor goes off the

board before the Cowboys pick. I have him right now, Brian, and no, no kidding, you can see it right here. I have him at number twenty six board. So he's at twenty six right now. If you let go, if you let go of Dalton shows he don't make sense. Yeah, respectfully, no, I completely agree. Yea, all right tomorrow, Brian, you could take him off the board before the Cowboys get to draft tomorrow, full first round one through thirty two. We're gonna do a full first round mock draft tomorrow. So

it's gonna be a whole lot of fun. Get your team needs ready, we'll get you at ten am tomorrow Central time is when we're gonna go trade, Beamer. Do you want to do trade now? That's that's okay, we can talk. It's gonna open, do it later. We'll do it later. Why did you say ten o'clock? Am that to me? Yeah? News to me too. But I'm going to relay what Bamer says. So they got it here, all right, let's do it. We'll be back tomorrow with more of the Draft Show for Bobby Belt. Brian brought us,

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