Draft Show: Putting Rumors To Rest

show today. As the Big Boys guy said, it's Brian broad As, Stained Brugler, David Helman, King Garrison executive producing, and Caden and Dave in the truck doing some good things with the TV side of But we appreciate everybody out there. Boys. You kind of kind of ready for the scene to be happen or are we watching last minute tape like me and we're trying to figure some things out? Are we about ready to put this is

all the hay in the barn. It's both because on one side of things, I just enjoy talking draft, I enjoy talking scenarios, I enjoy debating these players. But on the other hand, yeah, it's ready for it. To be here. Let's do it. It's you reach a point I remember in college studying for an exam where you're like, f this, I know it as well as I'm gonna know it. I'm either going to get a good grade or a bad grade. Let's just do it. That's how I feel. We like to thank the folks from mill Or Light too,

that's gonna come along with us on this journey. They're going to be the presenting sponsors of the Draft show, and we are very very happy about having them along with us as we get ready for this. We're in that mode right now where we're seven days away and we all talk to people within the league. Man, maybe you get opportunity to talk to some of the guys within the Cowboys building. They're really busy right now putting together things. Maybe catch them on the way home or

something like that. But I wanted to ask you guys, what should we believe and what should we not believe? You know, there's a lot of you know, Dane, you're really plugged in on the Browns and what they've got going with, you know, with a quarterback situation. I worked with John Dorsey for five years in Green Bay. I feel like I know the man pretty well, David, You've seen it from afar. But what what should we believe? And I'm not just saying maybe about the Browns, but

I'm just saying about the draft in general. I mean I I've talked to scouts that have a slide of a guy like Derwin James. You know, we've talked about Brian Broadus has talked about, Hey, guys, yeah, load up, let's go, let's go. I'm I'm the guy that's like leading the charge for going up to the top of the board and getting a guy like that. But should we believe when we talk to people at this time that there could be a slide for a guy like

Derwin James? Should we believe what's going on with the quarterback rooms or with the rooms about talking about these quarterbacks? When do we When do you kind of shut things off? I know we have guys that don't lie to us, we don't think so, but when do you When does it? Just like, man, I just don't see that happening. Does it? Does it? Does it? Does it make you think differently about the draft? When you've got people that you trust saying, oh no, you don't need to trade up for that guy.

He's gonna be right there for you to pick. I'll give you a great cop out answer, which is, I mean hopefully that's That's what all this ridiculous preparation is forward, Like, that's why you spend twelve months a year on this or nine months a year is like, you should be prepared for that scenario anyway, and you should know what you want to do in that scenario regardless, Like you should be prepared to know how you feel about Derwin James if he does slide, even if you don't think

he's going to, and like I mean, even if you're convinced he's a top ten pick. You should be prepared for that scenario. So you shouldn't. You shouldn't be caught off guard by anything. I would hope, I would hope. That's why NFL teams spend millions of dollars on this draft process, so that they're not caught off guard by anything.

And it happens every year. I mean, somebody will be caught off guard by something, but they shouldn't be Do you think that the national As the night wears on, it's like, well, I don't you know, mil kiper goes, I don't understand why Derwin James is sliding. I don't understand why Josh Allen is sliding about Jonathan Allen last year. Yeah, you didn't understand that Millie Cooker. Millie Cooker was another one. Yeah. This is the most I think annoying part of the process.

This is final week and all the noise that's coming out because it's hard to kind of weed through everything, and not just from our perspective, but all thirty two teams have an intern or somebody on staff glued to Twitter to reports. Okay, well this we got scouts following us on Twitter all the time, teammates bringing in player B for a workout, for a top thirty for whatever. They're trying to have as much information as possible so they understand who's looking at who, you know, the connections

that can be made. Uh and then you know, but it's all guesswork because you know, no team knows what another team's gonna do, and so it's with a case like Derwin James, yeah, I'd be pretty shocked if he's available say it, you know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, But he knows with all these quarterbacks going high five going to

top ten. Somebody's got a fall. Uh you know, whether it be a Saquon Barkley or uh you know if if anka, yeah, if it's Patrick, definitely, if we feel like or there might be a team that prefers they did really want a linebacker, so they take a Tremaine Edmonds over Derwin James. You know, I don't think any of us would do that, but if that team really wants a linebacker, they might do so. So yeah, you can't rule out anything happening like that. That's the thing

too about and you talk about real quick. If you talk about Edmonds, you know, there's there's folks that are like saying, well, there's teams that will take him over over Roquan Smith, and that's madness to me. But yeah, but it's not new. I mean, people have been saying that for months, and I think it's had. They've been saying it for months. I I mean absolutely, like the narrative on that is that those guys are one A and one B and some people prefer one over the other.

I don't think that's new. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean I agree, but for us, I think it's crazy. Well yeah, no, we would all agree, we all like Roquan Smith better, but for a certain scheme or a certain type of personnel guy, okay, whatever you like, Evans more like that doesn't shock me. And to further elaborate on my point is, if you've done your homework the way you're supposed to, why you letting some bs in the final week of the process draw you off sides? Like,

just stick to your convictions, stick to what you think. Sure, if somebody throws you a curveball, hopefully you're prepared for it, like mcglinchey'd to tend to the raiders. Absolutely. And that's the type of thing I mean, See, that's where That's

where I'm not going. And when it happens, when stuff like that happens, then you go, oh, man, there's things could happen in that draft you never saw coming, you know, and you could be as prepared as you want, But there's things that happened in that draft room where you're going, Man, we did not plan for this. The Shari Floyd was a great example several years ago, and then they had him as a top five player and all of a sudden,

they're staring at him. They're staring at that kind of led to a change in the way they do it didn't, Sure, it did. I mean guys lost their jobs doing that. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying though, you you know you hear. I just trying to ask you when you hear things late. Example, you do a lot of mock drafts, we do, you monitor mock drafts. You know what Daniel Jeremiah has the way, you know, like the closer we get his last draft will be his best draft. I have a feeling, but yeah,

everybody will. But all along it's been James here, James here, James here, James here, and then he's two picks away from you on this this last mock draft. You know you're you're you're hearing something there. And I think when you talk to people about doing and you tell me this, did you feel like that Derwin James played in a way where he was protecting himself that he didn't play

as well as he did in previous years. Well, no, that was definitely, I think, But I think it's more as it was just rust than anything, because he missed almost all of his well, he played great as a freshman, and then his sophomore year which ended up being in a red shirt year. He missed almost the entire year. Sure this year there was obvious rust. The NC State game pops out in my mind, you know, watching that

tape and seeing him struggle in coverage. I think the biggest thing with Derwin James is you feel good about him playing linebacker safety nicol He can plain so many spots. Does he have a true home? And I think that's what some teams are struggling with, is Okay, if we dropped Irwin James as he are starting strong safety as they are strong, like, were we going to play him specifically? And that could be something that they struggle with and

that could be h more of a struggle than Meca Fitzpatrick. No, I think it's a similar similar veins. See, there's two players that we've thought all along, I mean as potential top five players. Yeah, and now it's like, and I always ask you that question because I've had several scouts tell me that from different teams, They like, what are you seeing this guy? And I describe this and the linebacker the nickel, you know, he gets some throwing lanes blah blah blah blah blah, Like do you think he

played better. You play the play as good as he could play, you know, And they're they're they're the questions is about and now I'm kind of and now I understand why Daniel Jeremiah has him potentially there, because he's probably talking to some of his buddies as well. I mean, there's two dirty little secrets in the draft. Number one, which we've talked about plenty, is need plays way more

of a factor, sure than people want to admit. That's how you'st player within needs three receivers going in the top ten last year. Yeah, yeah, that's how. That's how you wind up with Mike McGlinchey going in the top ten. Yeah. So don't be surprised. That is dirty little secret number one, Dirty little secret number two. It's not a secret, I guess. But these teams, for they're all stubborn. They all think

they know more than everybody else. You should hear the conversation we had about quarterbacks just before you came in. And on top of that, they are all you think think back to free agency with the Tyrone Matthew conversation. They are all and they they should be they but they're beholding to their scheme. So you're watching a guy just like he can do this, he can do that, he can do that, and these teams are like, and he doesn't fit what we need him to do in

our scheme. And that's how you wind up. You know, that's and that's how I can see it nineteen. That's how that is a great point. That's how Tremaine Edmonds goes number seven, five spots ahead of Roquan Smith because they're like, well, we really don't think Roquan can do

this in our three four. We don't want our team talking about Hey, but if you if you if you want a three, if you run a three four and one of monster, yeah, just gigantic linebacker, you probably do want Tremaine Edmunds absolutely, yeah, you know, yeah, that's how that type of stuff happens. Yeah. And with Derwin James, Okay, go back to last year, we had one safety taken to the top ten, Jamal Adams, who went with six

to the Jets. Jets. Derwin James is a far superior athlete and I think ye much higher ceiling than Jamal Adams does. But I mean, but you're gonna tell me that Derwin James is a you know, belongs in the teens, where Jamal Adams is a top six pick. I mean, can I play Devil's Advocate here? And I think at this point you both know how much I like Derwin James. But there's some Byron Jones going on here and maybe the Derwin Yeah, I mean we had. I mean it

sounds a lot like Byron Jones. And Byron's arguably a better athlete than Derwin James, at least from a number standpoint. And Jet, I mean, vertical forty whatever set a freaking world record in the broad Sure does that concern you at all? It doesn't concern me because I've I I don't know Byron. Byron Jones's tape didn't look at that's good. I've seen I seen enough badass stuff on Derwin James's tape. And I and I'll tell you what I'll argue about every you know, you and I argue about Byron Jones

is a bust or not? Yeah? You know, I mean that's an argument. And and I I guys played forty eight games. I don't know how you can call him a bus but that bust. Bust is harsh, but hit is also overly nice. But he you picked him at twenty seven, right, Like I said, bust is harsh. But if you're not sure two weeks out that they're going to pick up his option, yeah, then you did. Well, they've already moved him the corner. You didn't nail the pick.

If you have questions about his future heading into year four, you didn't nail the pick. Yeah, you didn't, but he didn't. He's not a bust. He's certainly far from being a bust. But a good draft pick is you're like, well, obviously they're gonna pick up his option. That's a good draft pick. Have the Cowboys set himself up to be traded in front of in this draft? But with wide receiver? Yeah? Yeah?

Is that? Why? Is that why they're looking at so many of them to try and figure out that they kind of think, Okay, if Ridley goes ahead of us, it's it's Seattle Bayals. I would like to think again

that they're just covering all the scenarios possible. I would like, oh, no, I I I But but they does it feel like does it feel like that when we're sitting here on draft night and I'm look over and in Seattle's on the clock, and then all of a sudden, I see another team's logo is that is are they setting themselves up to think, oh, somebody's going to get a wide receiver there? But I don't think they set themselves up

for that. I mean, something like that happens, then so be it, you know, but it's not like getting you know, cutting death when they did it affected that the teams know this, that Cowboys are looking at receivers. Um. I think that you won't get anybody in that room to admit this. But I think when they took Taco Charlton last year, there's a little bit of like, Okay, yeah, we got a good player, like yeah, I don't I don't think there was a lot of like exactly and

in this draft, like I don't. I don't think they don't want to be stuck in a situation where Okay, you know, we got the receiver, we're good. Yeah, but with a guy they like maybe a little bit more on the board, like a Layton Vandrush or a Vita Vea, whoever that may be. These are names that could be in that discussion. Who you know, Harold Landry, could he be there? Sure? Do they want to pass on a guy like that, just because I would wide receiver might

be a bigger need. I mean, you weren't here Monday. I don't need to go on the whole tangent again because I went for like six minutes. I don't need to do it again. It is a very good bet that they will draft a receiver nineteenth. Like, it's not silly to think that that happens. But you're making a

mistake if you're just locked onto that possibility. That's and that's why if a team is like, we gotta get in front of Dallas, we gotta get in front of Dallas to get our receiver, I think they're making a mistake too, because as it sits right now, I still think linebackers the biggest need on this team. No, but not to mention guard and safety. But people will take what we're listening to right now, the narratives. Everybody's saying, well, Dallas has to have they have to have a wide receiver.

We're trying to educate. Yeah, we're trying to educate people that you don't need a wide receiver at nineteen, right But you know we're trying to say, okay, listen, there's options that you can have. There there's you know, there's options you don't have to have, which again I'm about to sound like a hipster, and that's okay because I kind of am one. But like going back to your point, that's what makes this week so annoying is like the people who care enough to get involved in this process

in January and February. I mean, you you should already know this, but then like you got all these Johnny Come Lately's who the Cowboys Company bought the Beast in the Star as well. Yeah, there's way more people that didn't than did, unfortunately, and so you got to kind of fight through that noise too, like, oh where have

you been? We've been saying this for months. I think ideally they'd like to go linebacker wide receiver in the first two rounds in whatever order sure, whether that's Layton Vanderesh and Anthony Miller or um, you know, could be DJ Moore and whatever linebacker they want one day two. You know, I think in a perfect role, that's what they would do. Now you know, things change, Harold Andrew's falls of falls, I think that we need to I think that you're absolutely right what you're saying. I think

we need to think about the defensive lineman here too. Yeah, I mean, I really really do. When you talk about you said Vey, and I'm glad you say that, because I there there is clearly there is clearly a love for him in this building. There really is. Why would you ignore a guy who was a thirty visit? Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, I think there's some some genuine I think there's some genuine love for him in this building. Do you think they're on pains in the same I think pain's in

the same breath. Yeah. I think if you if you're if you know, they're gonna they're gonna look at this thing and say, okay, there's six guys. But again, I don't mean to get away from where I was talking, because I'm you're starting to hear some things about Ridley. You know, he's only this and he's only this somebody say, somebody you know and out of the first round. Yeah see, I mean how does that? I mean again, how does that happen? You know, whether you like more or not.

The fact that the one that's risen into this thing that I did, I did I have problems is sudden. It's absolutely Oh yeah, he's the one that I don't give me Miller, give me, you know, give me other guys give me Gallop. I'm just talking about me. I'm just talking about me. You know. I'm sure you have some you know, different thoughts about that Sutting is my number four receiver. But at the moment does was cut,

the moment that became reality was that last Friday. Yeah, the moment it happened that my first tweet was well, Courtland Sutton just became a much more real possibility. That was the first thing that came into my mind because with Sutton, he is that prototypical X with what he offers. He is a very deslike receiver. But yeah, but he's the verbiage about him. The discussions about him are all

going this way. And then when the guy who's really the best route runner in the draft, his discussions are going this way. Which and that's what I'm saying, Where we where do we believe? And do you do you just do you put the blinders up and say stop it stop? It's interesting, Well, we know we know the Cowboys like Sudden. Yeah, I mean they worked him out, ye brought him in, sure, so it's not like they don't like him. But I wonder how much. How much?

And you know, it's so it's so typical of media, and I'm in the media, so I'm not trying to bash anybody, but they're just like, Oh, he's big and looks like Dez, so that's the pick. And I think it's a little more nuanced than that. And I would hope,

I would hope, I would hope. You're absolutely right. I would hope that just because there's a Dez sized hole in the lineup now doesn't mean they just try to get a guy that looks like Des And I hope not that that's kind of what I've been preaching as well. Hopefully they go for I just hope they're looking for the receiver that could make the biggest impact and not the receiver that fits the X perfectly. You know, Yeah, that Des hole, Like you're talking about Calvin Ridley, I

got him create his own separation. Is he an X? No, he doesn't, you know, but we so caught up in the alphabet soup of the wide receivers. Just give me the best players that can make an impact and separate catch the ball. Play again. Again. You go back to that what I said earlier, that like you know, this is more about need than any team wants to admit. And so I hope the Cowboys don't fall into that draft we've talked about with the exit on a guy

that looks like what they think they need. Okay, let me ask you this. Do they do you draft a wide receiver at nineteen with the thought that you might change the coach next year? You know, it's so it's such a you know, no, Well, if you're draft I mean, does that does that play your thought at all? If you're Jerry Joe, if you're drafting a receiver at nineteen, I would hope he could fit into any scheme that any coach is gonna run. That's why you draft the

best wide receiver. You can't, Yeah, you don't try to, you know, get it exactly right with the prototypical X or whatever you want to do. I mean, look, I like Sutton. He's my number four receiver. I think he has number one potential. I don't, but I'm taking the receiver and DJ Moore even would it shock you if DJ Moore is the top wide receiver on their board?

Not at all, not at all, not at all. The thing that will appeal to this team with more over Ridley is the fact that he could play X, Y or Z. Right, he could play any of those positions probably and be okay. Now is he's three and a half inches shorter than Courtland Sutton and you think about that as an outside receiver. But with DJ Moore, I still think I would I would much rather have him at one team than teams struggled with guys that can get open. They struggle with that. Get you know, they've

got to look at finding those guys. Yeah, well no, no, guys that can actually get open, you know, the route runners and stuff like that. Let's play a fun little game, can we play when we get back? No, real quick? Okay? Yes or no? Not yes or no? Okay, just yes or no. Week out from the draft. Is the nineteenth overall pick to the Cowboys or receiver? No? No? I also think no, which leads me to believe that it's kind of Beard here wide receiver. Yeah, but it's I

don't know, it's there's so many. I don't think they're mean. They're doing their homework, but I think they're doing their homework to try and find the best one. I mean, that's the idea, that's a stupid statement I just made. But but the idea is to do as much homework as you can. And all these guys and again that's why they bring a guy in here like that, like Sutton. My prediction a week out this this might change tomorrow.

Layton van Drush is the pick at nineteen and then they DeMarcus Lawrence Okay, the pick for Courtland Sutton in late one, early two. I said, I said that last week, So I'm that jumping on my bandwacker and that you can believe. I didn't say. I didn't say players, but I just said, I bet they got off. There's talk you can believe. Yeah, you know we're we're hearing a lot of noise. Okay, we've got to take a break.

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Johns and all the draft guides and everything. So with that, let's go with a little Twitter on the Twitter FI. Good away, David Hellman. I told I told Matthew I would ask this question. He's been asking it a lot, so okay, who is y'all's Xavier Woods this year, which is to say, a guy you like a lot who might still inexplicably be hanging around later on in the draft. That's a good question. Um, I might go with Dorri's Fountain. Um. Yeah, the wide receiver from Northern Wi, A light a lot.

I think he's might need a little bit of a red shirt ear as a rookie. But when we're looking back at this draft in a couple of years and we'll he'll end up being a steal. So fifth, sixth round, if he's still on the board, has step a player i'd go get. I don't know what the deal is going to happen with SINCHI need to figure that one out. Chie CINCHI I think that that's a good one. Yeah, because to me, that guy is kind of if he was not hurt. You're talking about a guy like Josie Jewel.

You know, you're talking about a guy you would like in that second round, maybe third round, they stop plotting. White guy, No, just got the ball. Yeah, just a guy. It makes every single tackle. And that's when you when you watch those guys, I wonder, I wonder what's gonna happen to Golden? I do I was just about to mention, Yeah, I wonder what's gonna happen to him, because he's gonna be there in fourth round and y'all are gonna be like, why didn't he go top twenty y? What's going on?

There's clearly a Draft show favorite and that's him, no doubt. And I think a lot of folks out there when they do their mock draft, so they send us those mocks, he's always getting picked at you know, one nineteen. You know, he's always getting picked and he's he's part of the guy they throw in there. And I'm just gonna say this though, if he's there, by gosh, somebody take him.

He's gonna he is going to be a hell of a football He might be a hell of a football player for this team, but maybe the Cowboys are gonna have to play and every you'll understand, like what we were talking about. So I'm interested to see where he falls in this draft. He might go, he could go very he could go Day two, or he could very well be one of those guys in Day three that we keep going, Dane, give me your top three guys,

and it's like, and he's still there. My favorite thing about being involved in the draft process is like you get attached to these guys, jeez, you know, like that's just it's not even about the Cowboys anymore or who you're just like somebody let my man prosper. Yeah, all right. We talked about Derwin a lot in the first segment, but Gabriel or gabrielle Um, he would like why I and is it position flex? Like why would why would Derwin James be rumored to be to be dropping? I saw?

They think because of that he saw this morning he declined private workouts, like do you think that plays a role? And his agent said that he had, you know, he'd had a really good workout at the Combine, he worked out at Florida State Pro Day, you know, and his agent basically said no, and I don't have a problem with that. Yeah. And and even some coaches have commented in the in the fact that like they've going in and worked out kids and two days before another team

came in and worked out a kid. You know, as you feel like these four kids, they feel like obligated to do these workouts. Yeah, because if they say no, somebody's gonna go back to the draft room. And said this is a bad kid. He turned us down dot dot dot dot, you know, and all that, and it's a bunch of crap. Navius Street tears exactly, our guy Nelson at Wisconsin. At Wisconsin, those are two players that would have been good, solid players to start day three.

So now a sudden, these kids are having to rehab in their whole. They're they're gonna be, you know, on the shelf. But if that's why, if that's why he's falling, no shame. I think I just from talking to scouts, not the Dallas Cowboy scouts, just these scouts, our scouts around the league. They're worried about the play, the level of play, What was the level of play? Was he a better player? Or what are you getting with the player? You know what what it's like again, it's like Meca Fitzpatrick,

where are we going to play him? What are we gonna do with him? You could see the tape the guy, But they're questioning like did he always did he always play hard? Was it always going there? Well? The first words out of my mouth every time I talked about Irwin James he's a better athlete than football player right now. But yeah, but you you ask like we did at

Texas A and M and John Maschoda. I give you a lot of credit for this, because I was going to try and get the question to Jimbo Fisher before and Mashoda jumped it on me. And he says, you know, he asked Jimbo Fisher. He says, Jimbo Fisher said, if I was starting a team and aff he would be the first player I would take. Yeah, I mean, I mean that's he says. He goes, I don't know a much about these A and M kids, but that one

I do know about. Yeah, And so he you know, the coaching staff absolutely loved him, but scouts around the league are a little concerned about was he the best player that he could absolutely be or is that what he is? You know? So, going back to Dane's point from before the break, Caleb wants to know, would you rather trade back in the first and wind up with Sutton or trade up in the second to get him? So basically, do you risk waiting until the second to

get him? I mean, so, yeah, so he's available at twenty eight, you know, let's say trade back to twenty five and draft him and pick up a third trade or take your guy at nineteen, and then you've got to be comfortable going at least five or six picks

into the second round hoping he falls. Basically, I think there's I want to get the guy at nineteen me personally, the problem you run into is I agree with I mean, well, if you I don't want to draft Courtland Sutton in the first round, but if you tell me I can pick up an extra pick and draft him further back from our original slot, like, I can live with that. I'd be way happy to live with it too. What's what's gonna be easier for you to do? Go back or go back up? Well, go back up because you're

in control of that. I mean, it's up to you. If you want to go up, you need somebody willing to come up in order. No, That's what I'm saying though, So it's probably easier to go up. Yeah, because we've been talking about this, you know, the last few months. If you feel like you overpay there when you go up, yes,

I mean, is that okay? If we feel like, as the draft show that the run of the wide receivers is going to start at the top of the second round, I think we kind of our convention, that's our you know, is the price of going up going to be too much to do that? You are people gonna hold you up instead of if you go back and take him. Isn't that you pick up the pick? Man? Maybe if you don't get the guy, you're kind of like, Okay,

we went back for but we didn't get it. Butt, Okay, we gotta pick, but it maybe a softened the blow a little bit if you don't get him. So you got to figure out a range for him, you know, I ask you guys all the time, what's the range? What's the range for Courtland? Something? I bet you he I bet you're gonna tell me he's gonna get picked somewhere between nineteen and fifty. Yeah, yeah, that's that's, you know. But where is that range? I would even say I

would nineteen and thirty? Yes, Okay, there you go, There you go, there you go. Okay, let's according to the trade value chart, your second and third round picks get you up to pick thirty two or thirty three? There you go? So will somebody be interested in doing that? Would somebody be interested in taking my third round pick? Is there? What you're saying? The second and third round pick eighty one, fifteen eighty one to go to thirty four,

thirty two, thirty three, yeah, thirty two. Yeah, I don't like that. For whatever it's worth, it did Marcus Lawrence plan it is. It's a way more valuable position. I don't like that plan. I would. I'd rather if if Courtland Sutton's gonna wind up on this team, I'd rather trade back to twenty five, pick up pick eighty seven, and do it there. So I get Courtland Sutton, then I pick fifty, then I pick eighty one, and then

I pick eighty. That's so much more appealing to me than getting rid of one of my premium picks for a receiver who I like but don't love. You want to I don't know if I agree with that. I don't know. Okay mc mclinch's on the board at nineteen. Okay, say he's on the board at nineteen. Saints call you, yep, Saints call you going down. They got they're gonna give you that. They can give you the three and the four. Yeah,

it's still okay, Yeah, let's do that. I mean, where the scene is picking twenty seventy seven, they're gonna give you the three and they're four. Do you have you're taking Sutting in twenty seven? I mean in this scenario, yes, I still wouldn't draft him, right, But yes, I don't know. I don't know if I'm leaving day one with if if I have one pick in the top forty nine picks and it's Courtland Sutton, I don't really feel great

about that. I mean, I know you pick up an extra third, great, I mean, but the late third what's their third round pick? Eighty one? You got to turn in front of You're right, the Dallas was eighty one? No, no, the scene, Yeah, look behind you just go down to I mean it's not even an I mean, give me, give me all the third round picks. I'll pick good players, but yeah, you know, I don't know if that's enough to make me not pick in the top twenty. This is bumming me out. See now let me ask you

this does it? Does it? This is where Dane's plan I think makes sense. Well, what take take your linebacker? Yeah? And I mean, yeah, why do I feel like that? So you're scenario you're getting four players, but only one's in the top forty nine. In this scenario, we'd get two players, but both are in the top thirty five. To me, personally, I feel like I'd rather have the two in the top thirty five two theoretically better players. Theoretically theoretically is a big word right there. It is

a big part of that. I don't like this conversation at all. It's just like, I just hate that feeling you get when you just feel like, how about a second round pick. What they're gonna do is not what you want and you're just nothing you can do about it. I mean about a second round that I know anything, But how about Jacksonville. Let's go to Jacksonville. Let's go to Jacksonville at twenty nine and pick up a second round pick. Does that do anything for you? Yes? Even better?

Twenty nine drop ten spots. You're dropping two. I'm dropping to get their second rounder. Yeah, what's their second rounder? Like sixty one? There you go. Yeah, that makes you feel better? Yeah, it does. So you pick twenty nine fifty sixty one, Right, let's freaking go. I feel a lot better about that than I do. Let's go third and fourth. Let's go by the way, folks, we can do our mock draft, our annual Cowboy mock draft Monday. So how much I work myself up about all this?

All this will be all this will be discussed, all right, Well, okay, let's before like we're way far in the weeds, and we are way Jacob. This is a good point that Jacob brings up, at least as far as the Cowboys are concerned. Michael Gallup has just completely fallen off the map like he's one of the a lot like Anthony Miller. He's a guy that you know, you're not here and so do you have a time by the way, on Anthony Miller fo Yeah, all right, thank you? Do you

think I mean, it's pretty good. It seems six is three. Cone was like one of the best we've seen this pre draft process. It's and all right, well let's do a two for then. It seems like you never can be sure, but it seems like the fact that Miller and Gallup haven't really been linked the way that the other receivers have seems less likely. Do you see do you think the Cowboys still like them? Slash? Where do

you think those two guys will go? And you know, we just talked about that Brown receivers Mott Miller to the Cowboys fifty numerous times, and I kind of feel like, though, that Miller's a better player than Gallop. I think so. Yeah, So if you gave me a choice between one or the other, I'm gonna take forget the Cowboys picks, just give me a range. The range is tough because Miller, to me, is the clear number three in this draft wide receiver. I think it's really more in Miller some teams,

I think star will be some teams that agree. I think there will be some teams that have Miller farther down. Who picks? Who picks thirty three? The Browns? The Browns? Okay, who picks thirty four? Giants? The Giants? Then? Not? Really? Not? Maybe not? A Browns pick thirty five and the Browns pick thirty five again? Could could we see the run on the receivers be at thirty six? Who picks thirty six? Indies thirty six and thirty seven? Yeah? Could we start

to see it then? So, if you're trying to figure out a range for these wide receivers, but I'm trying to find a range for Miller and Gallup, I think Gallup is probably closer to fifty than Miller. Even though even though I picked Miller every single time for the Cowboys at fifty, you don't think he lasts that long, just now that he ran four to five. Forget the

name Courtland Sutton. I just if the Cowboys don't take a receiver at nineteen and they want one of the guys they really like, I think they're gonna have to go up for him. Yeah. I think there's a good we could see them trade off for DJ Chark. Yeah, I mean that's Chark. Yeah. Uh um Miller maybe, I know he's not really linked to them. M Kirk is a name worth. They've been covert with their Yeah. No,

I mean there isn't Miller. Uh because yeah, Miller. To me, I don't know why people are sleeping on him, but he's I don't know how he's not a consensus top five receiver in this draft. Question from EJ switching gears a bit. We know that they really like Nihim Hinz they do. He says, give me another day three running back who makes sense? And he didn't say this, but I'm gonna say it. Edo Smith from Southern miss is another guy. But and this we talked about this before

the show. You think back to last year they did. They did their homework on Danielle Pumphrey for months, and what happened? He got ripped right out from under him. Right, So they went and draft Ryan Switzer, who they really weren't linked to in the pre draft process. So again,

do your homework for all scenarios. The thirty visits is a great guide post, but you can't just assume that guy's going to be there for you, right, So give me some You know, this team is probably gonna take a Day three running back other than the guys that we already know what you got? What about? Uh, I'll take I'll take a guy. But I know you you like the Iowa kid more than I do. Well, yeah, I do like Widely a lot. You think he'd be a fit with what they want to absolutely do? All right?

I just assumed you were gonna say John Kelly, Yeah, Kelly's I mean I like, but if you I like Wildly Kelly and well, actually take that back. I like Wadley Walton Kelly is how that order? I have him? We have fourth, I have Widley and the third. Yeah, I have Wadley ahead of I have Wadley ahead of Chubb. I'm behind Chubb and ahead of Penny. That's how much I like that kid. Okay, wow, Yeah, I just really like I do a lot. I feel like that. You

watch him. They handed the ball down after down after down. He's running through some some some big ten defenses Penn State, Ohio stam and he's making yards. He's catching the football. It's occasional pass blocker. I think he offers a little bit different to what you have. I love his toughness, but they could go for a guy that's got a little bit more wiggle to him. This guy's kind of a take it, cut it and go guy my, uh

my guy. Later the draft. Philip Lindsay from Colorado, Colorado, you're talking about him, guy, I really like he's like one of three players in school history that was a three time team captain. Sure like he's gonna fit exactly what they want drafted Colorado players here before. He had fifty catches as a junior in twenty five last year. I mean, he can catch the ball at the backfield. I love the way he runs the football. A combined snub. If he's there, six seventh round. How about our guy

Carter from Grambling. Yeah, he's in that mix too. See he's a smaller guy that's explosive and can be a kickoff return guy too. So I mean, but yeah, you throw him the football, he's tough, he'll pick up, he's aware, he's a guy. I mean, and they worked out they've worked out those guys. So yeah, I keep an eye on Carter from Grambling. He would he would fit the bill for me for a day day three guy that's

a little bit later in the draft. Stephen Jones said earlier this week that doubling up on wide receivers is something they could do a ken to what they did at cornerback last year. What rounds give you the best value for doing that? And we we know this is a deep class two, three and four, right, you say two and four probably and four, Yeah, because in a second you get your guy, whoever that is, and then

you see who falls doing the fourth. Yeah, you know, because if they'll be a third round receiver on that board, tray Quon Smith Hamilton, you know, absolutely, we talked so much about these wide receivers on Day two, three or four, we're gonna slide into three. It's bound to happen. Absolutely. I would kind of be surprised by that though. I mean, the receiver rooms already pretty crowded. I'm sure. No. I mean that's a good point unless they totally already get

given up on Noah Brown. And you know, like maybe they have. I hope not. I doubt it. But we's been working out here every day. I mean, right, I don't, I don't, and I hope to god they haven't given up on him. But they talk, they over and over again about competition, and I mean, Noah Brown's the seventh round pick. If you bring in a guy, may the best man win and you gotta let them go, I mean, right,

seventh round pick. I mean so I could see that, but I don't necessarily think it makes sense because I mean, you've put so much work into Noah Brown, sure, and there's so much more that I'd like to see from Ryan Switzer too, So I don't know why you're trying to get rid of one of those guy's jobs. And people remember Noah Brown was a richer sophomore and when he came out of Ohio State, you know, missed his entire year before with a leg injury. I mean, there's

some untapped potential there. I say it all the time, Like, you can't just assume that a guy's going to develop Like this isn't Madden where in the offseason you just magically gained seven points on your rating, you know. But Courtland Sutton, you have a guy that fits that role right here named Noah Brown. Yeah, so maybe take a look at what that guy's got. Yeah, I think I think he looks impressive out there. Let me say this

and then we got to go after this day. I feel like though this whole thing with Courtland Sutton, I think they know what Ridley is. I think they know what more is, right, I don't think and I mean this in a nice way. I don't mean this like that they're idiots over there. But I think they don't know what Courtland Sudden is. I don't think they know what I mean. That's why again the visit the Personal WorkCare Week that a little bit. I think they know who he is. I don't. I don't. I don't think

they know who he can be. Yeah that's fair. Yeah, they know what he can do right now, but what is he going to look like two years from now? Right? Like that that's the big question with Courtland. So, yeah, he's the one guy that you'd have to probably do the most work on because of the system he came out of. That's what I don't want. Yeah, I just bring me the ready made guy, Bring me the ready made player. All right, Thank you very much, David appreciate it.

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up all those great pictures. We appreciate everybody out there. Dave. We don't have a lot of time, so again we don't. This show kind of drifts and drifts and drifts. Hey, I feel like people like that. I think we again, we're never really on time. But I will stop wasting time and go for a little tell me more please, all right, We're just yeah, I'm gonna go wait quick, tell me more. Justin Lawler defensive end out of smu H didn't test really well. But the tape's not bad.

You know, he's not dynamic and not gonna scream off the edge, but it looks to incorporate his hands, you know, it looks to be physical at the point of attack. I gave him a draftable grade, and I think people will get drafted. No, I think he will too. And I think these guys here like him. I really do Dallas. Yeah, and I matter back, matter of fact, I mocked him the last mock draft we did. I think put him in the sixth round when there's but got three of them. Yeah.

He You watch him play, Dan's right, he is really his hands are really really good. I mean he is a never stop guy, never stop. He's chasing the ball. He can get rid of blockers. He can go down the line, he can hit the gap quick. They play him inside at tackle. He can swim people he gets he's tall enough, long enough, rangy enough, he'll run down.

I've saw it, like the I forgot who's watching with He gets the outside there the quarterbacks running to the outside, and I mean he just because of length, he effort, he dives, hits the guy's foot keeps him from getting around the corner to getting the first down. There's a lot of things to like. Plays both the right and the left side though, And I'll tell you what for a big, tall, rangy guy can get kind of small to rush the passers. Plays on special teams. Yeah, he

had six blocks kicks over his career. There's a lot to like about this kid, there, really really is. He's a Lawler, he's married with a daughter. So yeah, important, It's gonna be important. Yah, it's gonna be important late day three guy. Yeah. Yeah, And as I'm saying, Dallas has got those extra six round picks, don't be surprised if if late in the day. You know, as we're all kind of working through it, that Lawler is a guy from that that we've we've talked about him. Now.

I am embarrassed that a current Cowboy has a brother in the draft, and I didn't know about it until right now. Looney, tell me more about cow defensive tackle James Looney, little brother of current guard Joe Looney, started his career at wake Forest, just like his brother, Just like his brother. Then when there's a coaching change, he decided to kind of do his own thing, went out to California. Um, you know, he figured worst. You know, football doesn't work out. He got Mike. He went from

one really good smart school to another one. That's it. That's not bad. Yeah. So with Looney, I don't what is he like, what position is? He's a pinball? Yeah, And I've even talked to Joe about this and I'm like, I go, hey, I watched your brother on tape and he goes kind of all over the place Sisney, And I'm like, yeah, I mean he's but yeah, you watch him and he bouncing off people. I don't know where the playmate tackle or playmot in. That's a sixty three

two eighty seven. He's he thrashes around in there. He's like he's spinning around like he spins into a tackle. He's so active, but you want the people have a hard time blocking him initially because he's all elbows and knees and moving around. And Joe's like, Joe's like, yeah, he just he kinda he kind of he's a hard guy. Like I say, he goes a hard guy to block because he's just all over the place. There's not looks like smooth technique guy, hands, ripped crab. You know, he's

not one of those guys. It's come off the ball as fast as you can and just disrupt as much as you can and then find the ball to go get it. But like Dane says, I don't know where to play him. I have him like as a tackle. Yeah, I think he's will be like a three because you just say, okay, go up the field and just to be disruptive. Yeah. And also, while I do agree that you appreciate the motor, I think it just it hurts production,

you know, like he doesn't. He's not a productive kid. Yeah, he's not gonna make a lot of stops in the backfield. You like the motor, you like the hustle. Uh, he plays at the light feet, no question. But yeah, I just he doesn't have a plan out there. No, you know it is it's go. It's like go as fast as you can and whatever happens, go until you hear glass break. I kind of know that's what he does. I kind of like that. Yeah, he's a guy like that on your roster. Oh no, he'll end up going

to the forty nine ers. This local guy. They'll keep him around. We're talking about here. I have him, und let him, let him be a Joey Ivy or a Jordan Carroll and coming he's better to me, like he's a better Joey Ivy. You know, I mean I watched Joey Ivy. I'm like, okay, but this guy, I'm kind of like, whoa wait a minute, he's he's given USC problems. You know, he's UCLA can't blow the center or center Louie like Quisbery. He's like trying to block him. He

really can't block him all that well. I mean, got one set of brothers on this team already. Yeah, let's make it too Uh, this team has had some success drafting a guy out of a service academy before there you go, uh so not a quarterback, but tell me more about Army offensive tackle Brett Tough this and when we talk about the service academy, we have to talk about the military commit commitment and it's two years pay

right there. Yeah, and like this is something that it was enforced by President Trump that you know, you have to serve the two years. And he's fully on board with that. He sure I knew this when I signed up,

so it's you know, he's not heartbroken about it. But the question for teams, Okay, do you invest a draft picking a guy who it's not only that he won't play until for two years, but you don't know what kind of I mean, obviously he'll be in good physical shape being in you know, in the army, but how much time we have working out will it be football shape? Yeah, you know, will be will have the bulk needed, will

he Because he's a leaner guy. He started he was actually a tight end his first three years of high school. Sure moved the offensive tackle a senior year and I mean Clemson, they kind of gave him like a walk on opportunity this and that Army said we'll give you a full ride. Goes of the army. He was a big part of why army they rushed. They led the nation in rushing. Yeah that was five thousand rushing yards.

Triple option baby. But that that's the other question, you know, because how many watching him on tape Senior Bowl stuff. It was a little it was a little bit shaky for him, but past protection and pass protection. But you watch this guy run, but he's never on the ground. Very balanced, very balance, I mean and and and and and Dames like a light footed guy, you know. But the thing of the senior Bowl kind of expect. He hasn't seen that kind of a rusher very consistently, So

those guys came a little bit of problem. But I I the two year commitment is is big. But you don't bet against kids like that quit, you just don't. Bookkeeping question. Yeah, I believe like he's not in the league while he's on his military service. Right, they go, he's got a special reserve military cate his contract right, right, So he's not coming back only having two years under contract. You'd have four, right, I think that's what Yeah, yeah, yeah,

we did that in Green Bay a lot. We drafted military kids and they went and served and then they'd come back. But Bob Kurbirski, if you ever from the Packers, he went to school to the Naval boy most impressed the thing. Real quick. He gets off the plane to me to pick him up. He's in his full whites like, and all he wanted to do was go to Taco bell and he just doesn't get to eat. Who doesn't sounds like a smart guy, but he but he But he got out that plane and I'm like, holy heck,

this is what it's all about right there. Yeah, you know, but those kids don't bet against him. He's he's an athlete that is going to have to you know, once it's up, you know, don't don't discount him. This is if you're the Cowboys and you hang on, say you have eight or nine picks, you know, you can't get rid of all of them the trades. This is the type of pick that absolutely unmaking in the late rounds.

And he said, if they have a history here with if you look back with the defensive end to tackle Chad Hinnings, yeah, you know they they Bow Morgan I think was another one here. So yeah, they've had a little bit of history. I was thinking Roger Stobert would be the best one. Yeah, right now, we gotta get taco bell on the way out, dude, and I want to go. I'm gonna go put in like fifteen dollars Cobersky. Well that's all. He wanted to get me a case. And he kept the taco sauce off his whites, which

was amazing. Yeah, you don't know anything, like you don't know how to stay. No, that is in my pocket and stuff. Speaking of history with schools, uh, I got a guy here out of Monmouth, Jason Garrett always likes Oh, Mama, Miles Austin at a Moodmouth University. Yeah, tell me about Mike. But spasili dancilly right, I think it's basil. Excuse me, it's New Jersey, So I was going for the Italian pronunciation.

He watched him play, yeah, yeah, safety safety. Yeah. Well, and it's funny because I've had his name down on my list for a while and I got around to him, you know, a couple of weeks before the draft. Sure you watched him like in January. Uh, you remember you bringing him up, and he's a for your starter, sure you know. Uh, and what I he tested really well, which I kind of surprised me. Yeah, because he's he's a bigger guy, he's physical. I thought in coverage some

guys would give him some problems. You just want him tackling, really what you want him doing exactly. He makes up for a lot of mistakes in the back end when things kind of start breaking down. He's always running over there making the tackle. He Uh he had a six sixty eight three cone yeah, which is rh nominal. Yeah, and it's especially for a guy that's a safety who's just looks a little stiff. But he looks great in

his testing. Yeah he again, here's okay, Jason Garrett understands at school in New Jersey and he has his background in his backyard and all that. So yeah, maybe not a draftable guy, but maybe a guy that you say, okay, they go make a priority free agent at him Alston. He comes in and he makes a team like Jeff Heath or you're having the practice squad or something like that.

He's got the appetite needed to be special team. He wants to tackle every He makes every tackle, and you're watching the tape and you're like, going, he okay, here we go. Run the table. He makes the tackle, run the table. Yeah, it makes a tackle. But yeah, it's the school. You know. Any any slappy program can tell you about Calvin Calvin Ridley. Okay, like any dummy with a guidebook can tell you about Calvin Ridley. How about you a dummy. No, I'm saying stop, don't do that. Nope,

not marrying. Many other programs can tell you about Mike Basille out of Monmouth, who's not gonna get drafted. I'm just telling you though. He you watch the tape, he

makes every single tack. You listen, to this show. Not only are you not going to be surprised by any of the drafts three Cone Again, you're not gonna be surprised by any of the priority free agency those guys give the first round at which they had that way were two numbers, six sixty eight his three cones and then four thirty three, which was a number of tackles he had in his career. Three let's go, yeah, Jeffy

two point er, he's right, let's do it practice. He's gonna sign on for ten thousand dollars on the Sunday after the draft. Maybe maybe let's not. Brian's gonna be like, oh, I better watch that one. Yeah you never watch. Yeah, you gotta watch that. All right, David, They thank you so much. We appreciate it. There, we got yah. You gotta stick around and do a lit right back on here on the break in the two minutes on the break. So the guys from the break are coming to roll

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