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you can do that, I can do that. And I listened to the people. I'm a man of the people. Man of the people. We've gotten a lot of requests about this guy. He has been linked to the Cowboys. We've definitely mentioned his name at some point during this draft process. But just a little thumbnail, little deeper dive, tell me more about Edo Smith, the Southern miss running back whose name you have probably heard if you've been following the Cowboys Senior Bowl guy. Yeah, a player we

didn't can see at the combine. It was one of those snubs, sure talking about We're talking a lot about these snubs. Really productive, these second all time in Southern MISSI history and rushing yards. A little under sized, sure, five nine two pounds, sure, underpowered, He's not that inside runners going to consistently you know, breakthrough tackles. But I like investing in space. Yeah, screen game, Yeah, that's where he really shine. Catches the football absolutely, one hunifty catches

in his college career. It's a really good player out of the backfield. If he can improve as a blocker, I mean, that's your lansdoone bar. I mean that's yeah, that's your guy that can be in on third down. And this team they've shown some interest in him. Yeah, don't you kind of get the vibe that that's the running back that they want, that that guy that could Yeah, you know if you look at who they've also visited with with Hines from North Carolina State. Hines is the

third round version. This is the late round. This is the late round version. Absolutely, so yeah, I totally agree with Dane. I feel like, though, if you can find a way a lot of these guys, with the way football in college football is nowadays, a lot of these guys run the football well, they learn to catch the football, but they don't know a lot about the pass block.

And because they've been doing things, it's very rare that you see a guy now there's you know, we've talked about, you know, Walton and Kelly and those guys as possible guys is in the mixes that shorter quicker. I personally would rather have one of those guys. Hines would be my list of the top guy when it comes to say Smith, but you're right, he's more of a later round guy. You know, we've talked about as a later

round guy. This might be a consideration for them. They hit it one of those fourth round picks, which would probably be a little rich for me. But I kind of have a feeling with they're picking on this board. We might see them on draft day when we start talking about this, Hey, maybe it's a round high for us, but to them, where they're thinking about in the order that they might have to snag that guy, maybe they

don't get him the second time around. This is actually a twitter on the twenty question from Paolo, but it fits what we're talking about so well. I'm just curious. He's not as small, but I mean if if Hines is the third round version of that, Sony Michelle is what I mean. He's not as small, but he I think of him as that type of back too. Yeah, but he's also I think a little more where he's not a specialized when you know, you feel comfortable to do a lot more right feel. I think him starts

shy Michelle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, North South Runner. Yeah. I mean that's yeah. But he can also do those thing and that's why he's gonna be. Sony's gonna be a second pick to these other guys. One thing I really liked about Edo two. Only the tenth player in FBS history to rush for over four thousand yards in his career and a thousand yards receiving its Yeah there you go, one of ten players to ever do it. I mean that says something about his versatility as an offensive player.

I dig the sound of that. Yeah, I mean I know. Okay, let's compare him, then we because we tend to like maybe Williams from Ella Shoe a little more, which okay, is Williamson the is the the round earlier than Edo Smith? Yeah? And I think they're a little different because like Darrel Williams, you feel comfortable on third and one. He can probably get you that one yard Riedo Smith, Yeah, he probably don't feel that way, but uh d, the space is different.

And I mean, I won't shut up about Darryl Williams. Right, But that's kind of my point is that they're not looking they don't appear to be looking at that type of running back, right. Look, they are, They're comfortable with Rod Smith, but a second running back, Okay, who is the guy that they could be? That which the difference and I would rather I would rather just have a well rounded guy who can do a little bit of everything. I think everyone team won, right, But dud Okay, let

me let me ask you a question. Since you cover the team full time, Rod Smith enough for you feel like that when you had to play him that yes, well, what you saw maybe with the Giants game late the year or is this all? Yes? Yes, the thing about Rod Smith and people always ask me about this, like, well, why don't you just give Rod Smith any credit? It's just that he's he's on a one year deal. He's got one year left on his contract. Do you want to bring him back? How expensive will it be to

bring him back? And you know it's the age old thing. Would you rather you know, pay a vetter and more money or just drafting him? You draft Daryl Williams in the fourth or fifth round, You got him for four years, he can probably even he could probably be your backup. I don't but I don't have a beef. I don't have a problem with Rod Smith. I think he's he's very underrated. I think he played well when he had his chances last year. And if that's what they want

to do, that's fine with me. It doesn't bother me. Would a fourth round pick be too rich though for a guy that might be just a part time player. If you talk about it Edo Smith, I mean, is Rod Smith gonna be the primary backup that's going to see or do you feel like that this staff could do something with Edo Smith or any other back that they they kind of you know, the Kelly's. Yeah, well, let's look at last year's fourth round pick. Yeah, you know,

I mean with Ryan Switzer. You know, if you're gonna use him correctly and you're gonna he's gonna make an impact on your team, then that's that's that's a good point right there. But we can argue that Ryan Switzer wasn't used maybe to his full capacity as a rookie. So we'll see moving forward how he's used. But yeah, I mean, I'm fine with Edo Smith or I guess, I mean, I don't think he's a fourth round pick,

but that type of back definitely. Finally, is he more of a fifth round guy for your spike six I game a seventh round grade? Okay, but I mean, you know we're talking. They have how many picks on day through a seven picks on ya? Yeah, so if they used a pick on him in the fifth or sixth round, at it, you know, at that point, yeah, I'm not in love with this team's or this coaching staff's ability

with specialized players. Sure, and that's why I'd rather just have a guy who like he could be your third running back and catch the ball out of the backfield, but he could also take eighteen carries if he needed to. Like I like a specialized guy. Don't love the sound of that. That's just me. Okay, that was That was purely for the fans. Good conversation, Thank you. This is purely for me because I'm a homer. Yeah, uh New

Orleans guy. I actually I'm I feel old because I covered this guy's high school recruitment and now he's getting ready to go to the NFL. But tell me more about UCLA linebacker Kenny Young really good against a run? Not I mean, he tested better than I thought he would, yep, But I don't think he'd played like on tape, the play speed, the play athleticism. I didn't think it was

as impressive as the testing numbers were. Um, there were times where you know, I thought he you know, there was separation and coverage that just continued, just gained separation. He wasn't able to close the gap. I thought he's a late round linebacker, a guy that better against the run in the past, or did you see anything different now? The thing that I think he's the athletic ability is what you saw at the at the combine. He saw

him the testing the part. One of my notes was about the flow, the flow to the ball, the ability to get to the ball, you know, And I did see a guy that could get outside in a hurry. I worried a little bit though about the you know, in the coverage aspect of things, you know, and that's where you see, Okay, flow to the ball, read go, that kind of guy. But then you see him in coverage and you don't see the same instincts and things like that. That bothered me a little bit about him.

But I was kind of I did see a good athlete, I really really does. So I got to step up and take on blockers too a little bit. I thought it's like I had a little bit more physicality. But the coverage, I don't know if he how good he is in coverage and so how is he going to be a guy that's limited because all he does is flow and make tackles running into football or can you play him every down? That that's the concern I had about him. Where can I get him? What are else grades?

I gave him six seven, Yeah, I was in I gave him a sixth round grade, is what I did. Draft him late, let him play special teams and develop. You know, if we were we were talking about if he doesn't love it, it's fine, l round sure, I mean, well, the thing about it is, okay, what are you gonna do for Kyle Wilbur That's that's kind of what That's what I'm saying, like everybody obviously, but they did it also though, what did you do with Mark and Sacha?

But you mean, it seems like this team is always looking for who's the guy that's going to be the backup linebacker that you know, the kid has athletic ability. That that's there's no question about markin Zacha shouldn't leave a bad taste in anybody's mouth. Though he was a seventh round pick, he played a little bit of special teams, he had some spot to right, and he got claimed by another team like that. I mean, that's a that's but did you know what God's been just a medical

with Mark and Sacha? A lot of that with medical. But I guess I guess my point is, you know, we talked so much about somebody who can back up Sean Lee and Jalen Smith and potentially start, but you need late round linebackers who can play special teams and oh, this team's gonna draft linebackers. Yeah, they might very well do it with the nineteenth pick. Well yeah, yeah, yeah, got the linebacker at two thirty six. Yeah, you still find a role for him. He absolutely don't want him

to play. The lot to like about him. He Uh, he's a big, raw, raw guy who's actually a member of the UCLA debate team. Yeah. So, I mean this is a guy who you know, he's going to have a voice even as a rookie. So not a bad guy to bring in the later round. But yeah, he's absolutely right. I mean, just looking through the linebackers, uh, you know, I'm just kind of just the guys I have there, that sixth round type of guy. He's the

top of the list of those guys. Tell me more about this small school guy at a position of need safety out of Jacksonville State by the name of Siran Neil. Another senior Bowl guy. Uh, by the time April rolls around, I don't remember who we even watch. Uh, guy who's been kind of mixed and match over his career. Put a corner, put a safety play, kind of that overhang linebacker, a hybrid of all. I mean, kind of a mismatch

player because he's big, he's physical as a good athlete. Right, The kind of the key is where you play him, right? Is is he in the box? Can you can you line up over the slot? That's a big question with him. At a the Senior Bowl, he did some good things. We saw him press at corner. I think that kind of showed he's probably a better safety, right, kind of his struggles there, but he's a good athlete. I think I put him as a safety on my board, right,

Is he a safety for you? Absolutely? Yeah, I think Danius got the guy right. I just don't know where, Okay, down back, where do you play? He could play something that There's a lot of guys in this draft that seem like they can cover. But do you want them playing back? You know if you're yeah, you're you're trying to find every safety in the draft. Yeah, you're trying to find somebody, a big boy golden who can do

no wrong. Well golden to me and I just can't it over why people And maybe maybe I'm missing something myself, But you throw on that Tennessee tape. He could he could cover, he could tackle, he's got range, he's got ball skills, why not play him deep? I mean he's but they're gonna say, oh, he ran a four to sixth one of the combine. I really don't care. It's like Josie Jewel when you when a guy makes every single tackle, I'm gonna I'm gonna pay attention to that guy.

Sure that to me. And I didn't mean. I didn't mean to hijackers. No, no, no, but I'm just saying. But it goes back to the safeties. It goes back to the safe theme for this year is that the vast majority of these safeties you don't sound excited about their ability to cover and play, you know, back, and that's why they're safeties. Yeah, you know, I mean that's well with this guy, well, the I think the Southern

miss kid more. We talked a little bit about him though, Now I think he's Yeah, the place be or the testing was outstanding. Yeah, and he shows that on film. This is a film A lot of a lot of folks late to that one. Van Deesh. We're talking about being as sending player, right, the same thing with this guy. You know, he was a Juco kid only one year starter or so other miss he's getting better and better. Uh. But with Saran neil Um, you know he's again I

think some teams look him as a press corner. I think he's better as like a nickel safety, a guy that you can move around a little bit in a pinch. Can he go up on the line of scrimmage and press over the slot? Shirt could do that? But I

saw it with Xavier Woods. I don't think we've talked a bunch about Xavier Woods being a nickel corner in the National Football League, And all of a sudden, what's he doing after the Chargers game, He's playing press corner in the nickel and we're all going, whoa, look out here we go. But he didn't. You know, he wasn't any worse for wear. So so I was, Yeah, at least these safeties though, because I think the Cowboys, and I think the Cowboys might hit when at fifty, I

really do. And it could very well be a guy like more Again I talk about I talk about guys. Huh, Okay, I'm just telling you this. When they're picking in the middle of the board there, it's gonna be, it's gonna be. You might have to almost think around early. Yeah, really, we're gonna dang, we're all gonna sit there on draft Day that those three days and go well, again, I

say little early. It was little early for me. Little early, but they're thinking if we wait till, if we wait to eighty one, we're not gonna get this guy, especially a free safety where we know those those are endangered species in the draft. Yeah, you know guys that can cover, guys that have to have a speed. So yeah, if it's like kind of not like quarterbacks, but you know, similar where if you don't have one, you better tackles,

offensive tackles. If you don't get your offensive tackle in the first round, probably not gonna get one on the second round, right, at least start your quality. And so with free safeties, you might have to get a guy like more in the second round because you can't just you know, hope and praise there at eighty one. Right, we're not we're not gonna be surprised by the picks, but we might be surprised by the round where they're called. Yeah.

I just I'm just trying to get fans out there of any if you're even if you're watching from another another market, and teams not the Cowboys and your team's picking at the near the bottom of the board. Just kind of don't be surprised if your team is like clicking guys off that the draft experts might think. Or I have him in the third round and all of a suddy, he's taking the second round. Oh, I've got him in the fourth round. He's taken in the third.

Don't be surprised by that, because teams will say, listen, if we don't grab this guy now, we're not gonna get him. That's gonna be the bottom line there. Let's hit the trifecta for Southern Miss. Shout out all my Hattiesburg people. Tell me more about Southern Miss wide receiver Corey Robertson pleasantly surprised. I turn on the tape with him. Big physical guy who can break tackles, stretch, you know, short gains into long gains with his ability after the catch.

Not the fastest guy, you know, he's a little bit of a plotter into his into his routes. But there's a lot to like there. I mean as a mid round receiver, you know, I think he's some teams will him over like a semi Cobbs. Oh no, yeah, because there's a lot to his game that you really appreciate him. Going over the middle is fun, right, that's the type of receiver that defenders don't want to see him over the middle. He makes circus place Dave, he really does.

He will make some circus catches on it. He's physical off the line, He'll go low for football. He's got balance, he understands the sideline awareness and stuff like that. Somebody's going to get a heck of a football player with this kid. Those Southern miss kids are usually really tough, hard nosed kids. They don't have like their facilities aren't the best, and they play. They ride a bus to games. You know, there's some toughness about those Southern miss kids.

That's where we talk about the safety more. You know, those kids kind of get it, you know, I mean hanging around Brett Farve did that. I learned a lot about Southern miss kids that way because he was always like, man, we don't have anything, and this is way way back and they still don't have as much. They still don't have as much. But I'll tell you what, gritty kids, tough kids. The Robinson kid goes out, he makes plays. You throw him to football anywhere he's gonna find you're

right across the middle time point. Well, and one thing I do worry about him is he relied on that physicality to beat up Conference USA corners in the NFL. That's not gonna work as much. He needs to add a little more nuance to as well. Yeah, he's a four or five nine guy. Here's what I mean he is. He is a four or five nine guy. There's not I mean, there's the quickness, explosive, this all that. It's it's really more about physicality with him than it is

which is sure afthletic ability six zero zero five to twelve. Yeah, not, I'm not I'm not bad. I'm not posting his nicknames d block. Yes, that's bringing up what I like it. That's all I got though, Oh yeah, today, that's all I got today? Really? Yeah? All right man, I mean it's forty men, we're at twenty. He started five minutes late today. Do you I mean, do you want to go you want to go out? One more guy? Could be one more the beast right here, just give me

one more guy. I can be one more guy. Just give me. Just pick a guy out of there. Man, all right, let's pick a guy. We've got dead We've got dead air right here. That's it is. It is interesting from Southern Miss. How many guys? Oh, sure, I didn't. I didn't expect that, Ober. No, but no, but about you know Smith, you do about some of these guys. But you know, in October I wasn't. I didn't expect to be talking as much about Southern miss as we

are at this point in the draft. Good point, all right, No I got one yet because I know this name, because I know the school. Dane obviously knows the school like they just crank guys out, and even their mid round guys are worth talking about for that reason. But I don't know anything about Jerome Baker out of Ohio State. In the name, he's gonna go a lot higher than I. I am not a fan of his. Yeah, you picked

a guy, tell me all about it. Because you like you like linebackers would be a little tough, right, I do like linebackers would be a little tough. That's why you don't like them. Yeah, I want you want to hear you know, I'd like to like. My first line is I'd like to see him take on square. Yeah, everything is half man with him. He's kind of a turn and you know, shoulder and he never takes anybody

on square. He's a really good athlete though, because you see him working through the trash and stuff like that. The classic. Yeah, but he doesn't finish. He is one of the win and I know we're watching the little a little cut ups here of him stuff like that. But plays bakery. Yeah, he made some plays here, but normally he does not finish and that and that bothered me about him when you watch him play a bunch of tape and stuff like that. Again, probably showing a bunch,

i'd say him do it. But overall though, yeah, he overall though, there's he's generally a low tackler, like a dip get down, low, don't wrap up kind of guys. So I had a hard I thought I had a hard time dealing with him because I thought he had a hard time dealing with size too. That was another thing that bothered me about this. When he has a clear runway, Oh sure it looks really good. Sure, I think there's not only the physicality, which I percent agree

with you with. And he's a slow processor. Now he takes a moment for him to see it and then go which hinders an athletics is so right? I see a project. I see a guy who you're gonna have to use as a sub package player. You hope he develops in the more. That's a big hope though that you know. The last line of the thing is lazy in the way he plays. So I I just don't. I mean and again, Penn State, Iowa, Oklahoma, Michigan all games I watched. Those are some big time competition there.

Absolutely do you line up at play well against those cats? You know you're gonna get my attention. He got my attention the other way. Didn't like that. That's the last line of my report. Has encouraging athleticism to be a sub package linebacker and coverage. But he's a project at this point in his development, lacking to take on skills, instincts, or conviction required for the NFL game. His athletic profile will have him overdrafted. So I was gonna say, so

you've got him with a fifth round grade. Yeah, but his athleticisms, yeah, someone will, Yeah, he'll get overdrafted. There's no question. As early as a second Well, I'll talk about it, we'll all talk about Okay, Okay, we're now, we're up on the break. Now, we're ready to go. Now, we're to go. We're good on the Classic Draft Show. Absolutely okay. When we come back, we'll hit a little Twitter on the twenty, so stay tuned. It can be hard to find the right resource for learning about important

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had some good questions today, Carlos, which we've beaten. We've beaten the trade up from nineteen into the ground to the I mean, I don't know what else we have we could say about it. I go, that's what we need to say. Let's go go get the player. Carlos says, So what about trading up from fifty the old DeMarcus Lawrence maneuver? Right, trade up from fifty into the you know, thirties forties? Yeah? How is that different? How is the price different? How is the strategy different? How do you

feel about it? Okay, let's give you example. Our pick at fifty Carlos, Right, yeah, is worth four hundred points? All right? If we want to go to say, let's go to the thirty six pick. Okay, so we want to go for thirty six. Now I want to say d law was forty eight to thirty four. I think, right, Okay, you want to go thirty four. Well, just I'm trying to gauge the spot. All right. Let me tell you you said fifty to thirty six, right, So that's the

same number of spots as the Lawrence trip. Right, that's five that picks worth five hundred and forty points. So you're one hundred and forty points shy right, you're looking, you're looking, you're an overpay would be your third. But that's probably what you would have to with. What you'd have to do it, Lawrence, So that if you want to go up, if you want to go up to thirty six, you would probably have to part ways with eighty one. Yeah, if you're willing to do that, all right.

What if I just want to go from fifty to forty four, that would be four sixty. So it's a sixty point swinging right there. How much is my pick one thirty seven worth? Pick one thirty seven is worth thirty eight, So that's an under pay. Yeah, that's That's the number one thing that I wish all draft fans understood is just the price of trading, right. It's it's not cheap. It's harder to move around and give up something to get something that right. So that's what I'm saying.

If you're looking at guys at certain rounds, you're sitting there thinking, man, we're gonna have to go early unless

you want to give up picks to do that. Well, you know, let me ask you this, would you rather go up in the first or up in the second in this draft, it's hard to say because we don't know who will be available in early you know, yeah, if that is an unfair question, if it will Hernandez falls to the early second round or you know, into the second day he's available early second round, Yeah, you consider that, right, And I think it's fair to say that every year there's a guy sitting there in the

thirty to thirty five forty range where you're like, whoa mount land Landon Collins comes to mind. It's a guy that people were sandlogba. Yeah, two years ago, real quick, when the Cowboys didn't make that move up for DeMarcus Lawrence, he gave up the third round pick. Here are the three players chosen when the Cowboys original third round pick and the two picks after Spencer long guard, Terrence Brooks,

a safety, Dexter McDougal a corner. I mean, you know three players that yeah, you know, just although I'm pretty sure, um Stephen Jones said after that draft that LSU guard Trade Turner probably would have been the pick, right and turned out to be a pretty Yeah, he was taken like twenty picks later by Carolina, right right, But I mean so I mean you are, you're giving up a valuable commodity. And see, I'm trying to determine what should you give up your fifth year give up you're eighty one.

That means either or yeah, which is gonna help you the most? Oh, I'm I mean And Dane's right, it depends on who's there, and we can't say that for sure until the draft. But I'm much more attracted to the idea of trading up in the first because of what you're presumably getting. Okay, well, let's if you're trading up to twelve, if you're doing your job right, you're getting a multiple time problem. Let's let's start out there.

Who would you rather have Rashaun Evans in the first and then you say you trade up in the early second for what's realistic? Um, I don't. I'd like to say, well her Nandez, but I'm not sure that's realistic. Yeah, I don't know how realistic that would be about let's stay it's a defensive tests say drawn Payne. Okay, say he follows the early second round, Rashaan Evans drawn pain to Alibana player. Yeah, would you rather have that to those two guys or would you rather trade up in

the first Rashaan Evans and then the third you get Senat. Yeah, so Roquan and Sanat or Evans and Pain. You know, it's me personally, I think i'd lean towards the better overall player, which is go up. Right, so I'm getting I agree, out of those four players, you're getting the one in the four in terms of best players instead of the two in the three. But you feel good

about the one, right, I agree with that logic. Yes see, that's what I'm saying that the trade the trade up in the second round out again depends on who's there. But I'm kind of I'm kind of one of those guy. I'm kind of the go up early guy. I'm the I'm the go up and get the player and then let but again and I'll work my board, you know,

I'll work my board without without pick fifty. But if you said the right name, if it was the name that really piqued your interest, then there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever. Like Will Hernandez, Yeah, okay, Rashaan Evans and Will Hernandez. Yeah, that's a nice slow haul right there. I mean that that's not bad. That makes it tougher of a decision, I think, And I mean that's when they traded it for DeMarcus Lawrence. Lawrence is my twenty sixth best player that year, and I gave him a

first round grade. Sure, I was all on board with that, and you know the Cowboys obviously had a high grade on him as well. So I don't think they have any regrets about that movie, No, not at all. So so yeah, I think again, a lot of it depends. It's always going to depend on who's on the board, of course. But that's when I ask you, guys, Okay, where do you have where would you think that the

guy would get picked? You tell me eight to twelve, Okay, you tell me another guy gets picked ten to fifteen. You know, I want to gauge where where that where the level of comfort really is for everybody? Yeah, give me Realkal. He's a top ten player in this draft. All right. It was long. As long as we're doing, as long as we're we we just love talking about the trades. It's fine. Well, no, I think you have

to prepare. We're mock draft where you know, where all of a sudden we might have some opportunity to go up. All right, we've talked plenty about Rokuan and Derwin James, what about the pass rushers what I mean? And Marcus Davenport not so much. But Harold Landry we know was a thirty visit, right, you trading up for that? And how high? Because I and I'm really starting to come

around on Harold Landry. I think I've said that already, but it's hard for me to believe that, you know, second and third pass rusher fall as far as nineteen meaning death. You're hoping Landry over Landry as shuren't you? I would much rather have Harold Landry? Yeah, so what I'd rather have land And there a chance that Landry gets to nineteen. I don't think so. I doubt it because he's a pass rusher and those guys just don't last. But you know, it's possible, it's certainly possible. I don't

think so. I don't think it likely. Okay, does he become one of our trade up guys to see fourteen? That's that's the question. I kind of love that idea, because again, you're going all the way to twelve. You could, let's say, if Landry's there at fifteen, maybe you gets Arizona, you have to trade your third. You can maybe get there with just eighty one. Yeah, that's I'm saying you want to go get him, that you want to go get him at fifteen and we lose eighty one, that's fine,

that's awesome. I mean, not that I love I want to have pick eighty one, But if I'm getting Harold Dry and I don't have to give up my second round pick, that's that's not too shabby. I mean, you're not feeling good about your first round pick from last year, are you? And we've well, we and I think we talked about this when we talked about Landry might Lawrence. You might not be able to aff Lawrence. I think

you have to. It's not only that you're preparing for it, but it's just like just draft pass rushers, like yeah, I agree, Tyrone Crawford, you can get out of his contract after next year if it's something you decide you want to do. DeMarcus Lawrence, you have no idea what's going on there, right, Randy Gregory is I mean, we could do a whole podcast about what's going to happen there. You can't count on that, right, And And I mean, I have I have again another guy that you can't necessarily.

The last time we met, they'd signed Tony Ely. Now Cony Ely's on a one year deal, right, And I have faith that Taco can develop into a good player. But I'm certainly just not left end. Not yeah, well exactly, he's I mean, he's probably not going to be your twelve sack guy. So absolutely i'd draft Harold Landry and I wouldn't think twice about it. I would draft him in nineteen. I just I would have concerns about trading A for him, I guess just because because it hinders

your ability to draft just more players that you need. Yeah, like that third round pick, are you're thinking it more? It's gonna be a you think more? It's gonna be the pick at eighty one, the safety. I think there's a good chance of that, And I don't know if I would want to give him up just to make sure I get that's I'm saying. We we it's gonna be a gut check if we're going we're gonna have to We're gonna have to swallow hard here and think about what's going to happen because we might we might

lose out on some guy. Remember the original discussion we had back in January, how man, we're gonna wiped out. Broquan's not going to be there, like we don't think they are. But we accepted that. Yeah, so now we're we're okay with We're at least understanding of the Layton vander Esh's that Taven Bryant's like that Evan group. Yeah. Right, and so at this point I feel good trading back exactly.

I'm okay trading back four or five spots, picking up an extra third and you know, letting someone else go up to get a guy getting my guy twenty three, twenty four, Okay, we we eliminated taken mclinchy then at nineteen. No, not at all. No, he's this is we've talked about it. The most wide open first round for the Yeah, I would rather but no, no, if we if we if we want to go back, if we want to go back, we're gonna give up. We're gonna give up mclinchy. Oh,

I mean I'm okay with that. I don't want to draft mcclinchy, not because he's not a good player. It seems redundant to me. Yeah, but I don't like, there's not a lot of stuff you could throw at me that would just get me to, you know, drop my head in disgust. Like it's we've covered it pretty well. Yeah, you know what I mean, right, which, Okay, well, god that I didn't even mean to do that segue. That's great. So Gino wants to know, is it possible for them

to mess up the nineteenth overall pick? I mean, think about all the options? Okay, oh, I mean draft Colton Miller. That would be a mess up to me. Now to them, they that they if they that's their guy, that's their guy. But I yeah, drafted Colton Miller to me at nineteen would be a mess up. That absolutely will be a mess up. And maybe for me it would be Now to them, I don't know about that. Maybe in three years we look back at this and wow, we were

really wrong Colton Miller. But based on the tape, based on his workout numbers were a lot better than play on the field, and you just you worry about the development and I don't know, technique, the discipline. NFL pass rushers are going to eat him alive until he's pixes. A lot of things and so, yeah, I think that would qualify as a mess up. Would vander Esh qualify as a mess up for you? Is it that drastic that you would know a mess up? No, that's and

I don't think so either. That's it's a Colton Miller to me, if they, if they, if they handed in that card and I had to start talking about Colton Miller, I don't think i'd be very fair. I really don't. Would you just leave the studio? No, I wouldn't leave the studio because there's other picks to be made. But it's still my parents aren't listener. I just I just would not be very fair about it. Yeah, I just wouldn't.

And I feel like the players, the thirty visit guys they brought, I think have been good players for the most part. Yeah, but I if that consideration of Colton, I would have a hard time with that one. Which okay, and this whole question centered on one guy, which for me is encouraging because that means you can at least justify of them. Let's say there's eight realistic options. Yea, of those, they're all I mean, they're all good players.

Maybe maybe you like Rashaan Evans more than Layton vanderv But yeah, I'm not gonna kill that pick, you know, and I don't think most people. I don't think most people would. Right, what pick of the thirty that you know would be you would be the most excited about, most excited of the thirty thirty visits, um, Harold Landry or DJ Moore. Yeah, it's not bad. I mean Roquan wasn't a top thirty. Yeah, Derwin James wasn't a top three. That's what I'm saying, right, guys, they brought in those

those two. Yeah, the top players on my board would be Ridley Landry and more in all three or in my top fifteen. Yeah, yeah, what about you? I think I think I'm with you on that. Nobody we excited because you you just still still don't have the love for Vita Vea. No, I don't. Okay, I'd be fine with that. I wouldn't be jacked. It's which he might. I'm not saying he's not a good player. I'm not saying he wouldn't be great for this team, but the

nature of his position, it wouldn't just get me. It seems like it's a group though, we would all be excited about Landry at nineteen Yeah, yeah, pass rushers, that would be that's a bargain, like I mean a position or it's the second most important position on your roster. You can never have too much pass rush good deal. All right, We're gonna take a little time out here. When we come back, we're gonna get into Dane's got a little We're gonna learn about more out these players,

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In three seasons at the college level, this big ten corner collected a whopping forty two passes defended but zero interceptions, which is an amazing number. A Grant Haley Penn State B. Josh Jackson Iowa, see Denzel Award, Ohio State D. Nick Nelson Wisconsin. It can't be Jackson. We saw him intercept. Yeah, I think it's the Wisconsin kid. I think it's a Ward. That's gonna be my guest. I'm gonna go with Nelson

ding ding forty two passes defended zero. That's an amazing stat like, by the way, and he got hurt the other day working out for the Giants. Olliant? Oh I thought was the Giants. Was a guy that got street bcl with the Giants? Oh god? So yeah, terrible. So yeah, here's the guy kind of So all right, Nelson, how do you get your hands on forty two balls and not intercept one? You know, it's just that's that's pool skill. That's yeah, that's a that's a concern. All right, all right,

numbe two passes and that one interception. That's amazing. Uh, all you're happy now I got one right there, you go. All right, I'll see if you can get this one helmet offensive lineman. This offensive lineman posted a one six seven ten yards split one six seven. Oh gosh, the best for an offensive lineman since two thousand and six. Oh, I got this one? Is it? Desmond Harrison, West Georgia? Yes, Colton Miller, UCLA, Joseph note Boom TCU, Brian O'Neill, who

hit ooh ooh no, it's Harrison. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say it's O'Neill, you're what do we talk about the testing number? Miller? Just remember we were talking so much about Harrison around. I thought O'Neill had a really good start. That's well he did. I mean, these guys didn't have poor ten yards split. See, no boom was no boom from TCU was a little bit of of a like. Is that that's what this is all about? Colton Millard. All this coldon Miller hype is just because

he tested well. Well, that's kind of the size of man. Him and O'Neill are the two guys the pit O'Neill, they're the two guys that are the really good athletes think and don't always play like they're great as is it? Offensive tackle is super high on my list of like I don't care how you tested, Like, how do you how do you play technical skill? Yeah, that's what it's all about. What did I guess that? It's okay? I'm I'm gonna go over. We still got one to zero.

Next up, only Mason Rudolph and this quarterback through for over four thousand yards each of the last two years at the FBS level. Is it? Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma, Mike White, Western Kentucky, Sam Darnold USC or Logan Woodside Toledo. Only this player and Mason Rudolph thron over four thousand yards each of the last two years. Four thousand yards is such an absurd number for a college season. I want to say, I'm pretty sure Donald hit it, though, I want to say, I'm gonna say Mike White, damn it,

that's my guy. Yeah, Mike White could spin it and you can't spin it. And Darnold was the first USC quarterback to ever threw over four thousand yards, which he did this year. He felt, Yeah, so you're not totally a White. West was right. I just didn't. Hey, there's a guy. I have a feeling there's a guy that Mike you know, you don't like to hear this. I think he at the top of that second round. Keep an eye on Mike White. Yeah, we keep an eye on show for that, I know. But I'm just saying,

everybody's paying attention to all these other quarterbacks. Keep an eye on Mike White. Spoiler, he'll be in my third round of my seven round lock where I'm New England Patriots pick forty three places Jimmy g with another one. You never know, all right, So two to enough in thirty three questions A nightmare number four the running back. This running back is the first player in SEC history to have over three two hundred and fifty yard rushing

performances in his career. Is it Darius guys? LSU, carry On Johnson Auburn, Nick Chubb, Georgia Sony Michelle. He threw this in just for me. Absolutely ahead, take it. Yeah, it's guys. Absolutely, it's guys Arkansas, A and M. And I think Old Miss I was hoping I get the LSU guys, but he guys, you're right, guys. That was that was something that when those TV games always like to talk and he was rolling against Old Miss kept two of those while he was spelling Fournette like he

was the backup. And yeah, anyway, exactly, all right, so we have three to one through four through five US. Yeah, next up. A big reason this offensive skill player attended the school that he did was because his twin sister received a track scholarship to the same school. Oh crap, I know this. Rashad Penny San Diego State, Dante Pettis Washington, nikem Hines, NC State, Jamon Moore, Missouri. Damn. One of those four players his twin sister were into the same

school because she received a track scholarship. And that's a big reason why this pest. First, I have read this at some point, I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna guess Pettis at Washington. I think it's Pettis two. But I can't catch you if I give the same answer, So I'm gonna say Hines. Yeah, his twin sister, Naya went to head a track scholarship to NC State. He ran track two as well, right, and he had scholarship bars from Ohio State and you know, bigger programs at

NC State. But that was one of the reasons. What a good brother, wolf back? Yeah, next up? So it was a three to two. Yeah. This player's father was a first round pick in the two thousand NFL draft. How, I mean, how amazing is that? Getting there's a player in this draft who had a father draft in two thousand, getting old out of Arizona State. So this player, this prospect in this draft was it His dad went to

Arizona State and was a first round pick in two thousand. Okay, all right, Cedric Wilson, Boise State, Anthony Averitt Alabama, Dmitri Flowers Oklahoma, Rashim Green USC. I'm gonna say Flowers. I'm gonna say Green Pitrie Flowers. Ye, his dad was a first front pick safety linebacker. See see that's such an unfair advantage. Okay, watched I watched the two thousand draft with my dad when I was in the fifth grade and you were I was at Vallet ratche Valle ratch.

So okay, four to two? All right, how's a good one? I like this one? Okay? Ogbo oquaran quo. Nice job Oklahoma. Yes, Ding and this fellow pass rusher Prospect graduated together from Houston's Leaf Taylor High School, and they were both born on the same day. Not only were they passed rusher the same high school, graduated together, they're born in the same way. Shameless plug. This is the type of stuff that's yeah, it's all in here. All of these are fun there. I just I went through the guide and

randomly picked a bunch of random stuff. Is it A Marcus Davenport UTSA Duke, A four Wake Forest Uchenna Nuosu USC or Taekwon Lewis, Ohio State one of those four was high school teammates with oo o Quo when they share the same birthday. Taekwon Lewis final answer, I'm gonna go with winsu in. Yeah, Duke four, of course, interesting enough, they're both sons of Nigerian immigrants. Yeah, just kind of crazy parallel. That's what I did. I kind of went

on the I went on the different plane there for sure. Yeah. Okay, so four to two, we have three questions left. Still time. I mean, only if I had batten a thousand the rest of the way. But let's do it. This defensive prospect didn't play football until a senior year in high school, and even and then he was a running back? Is it Leon Jacobs Wisconsin, Jennard Avery, Memphis, Ronnie Harrison Alabama,

or Darius Leonard South Carolina State. This is another one that upsets me because I've read this too, like I know, like I just like there's in the beast, there's eighteen thousand little facts and I can't connect them all to players, um, Leon Jacobs Wisconsin, Jennard Avery, Memphis, Ronnie Harrison Alabama, or Darius Leonard South Carolina State. It sounds it sounds so Alabama for a star safety too. I mean Landon Collins was an All state running back. So I'm gonna say

Ronnie Harrison, I'm gonna go with Avery Leon Jacobs. Oh Wisconsin, good player. Chap by the way, Yeah, he was a basketball guy growing up. Yeah, decided to try so he transferred schools, tried off football, was a standout running back and goes to Wisconsin as kind of an athlete. Right. They played him at fullback, they played him at linebacker.

Find settled in this Tape's goods watching him? Like he's fun? Yeah, Wisconsin, Wisconsin just has Jama Tiremyer was watching him the other day, was like, man, this guy's a fun player to watch. Oh yeah, yeah, he's good, highly aggressive. Yeah he finally missed that. Okay, all right, left, you can still but I'm not going to This cornerback prospect played football at Division three Marietta in twenty eleven, yes, seven years ago.

How old is this guy? He finished his college career with twenty passes defended in five interceptions in twenty seventeen at a Nonpower five program. And this is a guy that you know, Mike and drafted, is it? Perry Nickerson Tulane, Darius Phillips, Western Michigan, Dietrich Nichols, South Florida or Darius Williams U A B. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with the Tulane kid, Nickerson. I was going to say that too, So I'm gonna go with the Western

Michigan kid. You ab Darry Williams. Uh talk about a fascinating story. Division three Marietta. Sure, twenty eleven? How long ago was that? How old is he? He's gonna be a twenty five year old rookie? Right? I mean he goes to h U A B. He didn't make the team, had to try out multiple times, right, finally makes the team in the program disbands, right, Yeah, and then wait

for a year. Yeah, and then he you know, kind of thought his football career was over and comes back when the program comes back and as a senior twenty passes, defended, five interceptions. He's he's that undersized nickelback type of guy. There's I love. There's so many and we don't have time to get to all the craziest stories in the in the draft. That's part of what makes it so cool. Well, that's part of why I wanted to do this right, Yeah, absolutely,

absolutely a class one right. Final question, I can't win. You're okay, You're happy, Brian. We know that tremaand Edmonds will be the youngest player drafted this year at only nineteen years old. Deonte Burnett USC will be the second youngest. Who will be the third youngest player in this draft? Will it be James Daniels Iowa, Ronald Jones USC, Connor

Williams Texas or Tim Suttle Virginia Tech. Again, I feel like I've read this somewhere and I did a profile of Ronald Jones at some point this offseason, and I want to say it's him. I'm like, he's pretty damn young. I'm gonna go with Connor Williams. They're both young. But the answer is James Daniels Iowa. Yeah, from Iowa. Thirty Visit guy by the way too. I think of I just all offensive linemen are old in my head. Oh yeah, it's it's amazing we talk about Billy Price or James Daniels.

Billy Price is literally three years older than James Daniels. I mean, there's just a big gap there. There's I went through their seventeen players who will be under twenty one years old on draft weekend? Who drafted Jason Witten that way? Young Billy? Yeah guy, Yeah, so well that's uh what to two? Two? Hey? Well how many? How many did we both miss through? Like the last four? Yeah, I mean it was we were it was kind of everyone and all that. Yeah, we were all kind of

thinking about kind of like a pillow fight. It's fine, hopefully, Uh those falling along at home, did uh get a little bit better the beast. You'll figure that's exactly look through it, you'll find these answers. Yeah. I love the fact that maybe you've missed it at the beginning. Dane didn't have answers on his sheet because he's just got them all up here. He's got Dan, Dan's Matt Damon from good Will Hunting, Like it's just all in his head. When that's all you focus on for your entire life

or your entire calendar year, they kind of stick. I don't know why, but they do. Uh yeah, some good some good question Yeah, absolutely, some good questions. You know, Yes, you know Dallas the day they start their their draft meetings today, yeah, you know, and then when they were seventeen days away from them getting started though, is what what do you think? It just comes kind of think,

where's going to be a difficult position? As you know with Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Jason Garrets, what's going to be a difficult position for them to have to work through as these meetings start? What if you were if you were to, if you're Will McClay, what position do you start with? Because that's why you're a little fresh. You know, it's exciting you're in. What position would you go through to try and figure things out? To start?

I know you don't mean it this way. That position that I think Will McClay has to work through is the long term of the coaching staff with this team, that type of that position. Because a guy like David Bryan, he's made for Rod Marinelli's defense R three technique. But can you really I mean Rod Marinelli gonna be the defensive coordinator next year? Sure? You know, a long term is he gonna be a fit for this team? Sure?

How does that play into their decision? You know? How does do they need So you're more worried about Okay, okay, what if they take the coaching staff out of it? Though? And that's the start with the player, and you can't do that. You can't do that, You're right, right, Will McClay has to balance all those things. Oh sure, because he asked, I worry about the long term, but you

also have to worry about what's could be. Yeah. Yeah, they're poised to win right now and you have to worry about that, but you also have to worry about the long term. So it's it's a fascinating, you know, wire act that you have to yeah, like, oh, to think about my team long term, right, But where the coaches are thinking, well this, if we don't have a successful season, we might be Tavin Bryan's a perfect example because he's perfect as a three technique for Rod Marinelli.

But does it creep into the back of your mind that you know, long term for this team maybe scheme wise or you know. So that's what can you say about Vita Vea though too. That's a great point. Yeah, well, if you if you is it? Sometimes you just say coaches, you're out. That's and that's going back to what you

asked me about Vita Vea. I I recognize them as possibilities, but I don't spend a lot of time thinking about Vita Vea or Duran Pain because I'll believe that they're going to draft those guys when I see it happen. And if they do, then that to me represents a pretty significant departure from what we've seen over the last five years. And maybe that means they changed something about

the way that they stack all this up. Yeah, and maybe if a latent Vanderish and a Tavin Bryant are like equals to sure touching, sure, maybe they would give the edge to a latent Vandersch. It's a little more versatile, right, you know, with the different things that he can do at different linebacker spots. It's it's an interesting wrinkle I think to this draft that Will McClay and the Joneses and the entire front office have to You don't want to have that make your draft decision, right, but it

has to creep into the back of your mind. Well, the coaches are gonna fight for guys who are ready to play right now. Sure, coaches want nothing to do, especially if they're in a position where you feel like, hey, this could be my last campaign. Yeah, you know, well

answer me this. I mean, you've done it before, So I mean, is it as simple as starting with the positions that you feel like you're that are most likely to be there for you at nineteen or do you start with the position that is the most important for you to come out of the draft with a player at this spot. I think you start with the position that you feel most important about. I mean, if that's the case, they gonna start start with lineback, Yeah, start

you start. You want to start this thing where guys are fresh. Yeah, you really really do? You want it where everybody's locked in, ready to go. That's what you want to do? You want to And I'll ask, I'll ask what you know position? You know, I'll tell you real quick that somebody, when we have a little about a minute left, someone want to tell a story about

Stephen Jackson. Coach has influenced how we in that draft and when we when we end up taking Jones instead of Stephen Jackson because a coach stepped up and said those running backs in the second round are just as good as Steven Jackson, and that got Bill Parcel's attention, That got Jerry Jones attention. When Tom Donohoe from Buffalo kept trying to call, kept trying to call, kept trying

to call and finally offered next year's one. It was Maurice Cawthon on the running back coach, and said, those running backs in the second round are just as good as and you know, we were gonna take more. We were gonna take the Jones kid from Virginia Tech. We We're gonna take Stephen Jackson, Kevin Jones. Yeah. Yeah, So that's where that went. That was kind of like, that's it, but that's the story. A coach influenced which way we went on that board. And I mean, I say this

all the time. I mean and I feel like there will be a shift here in the next couple of weeks and you'll be able to sense it from whether it's this show, whether other people on Twitter and coaches are going to have their say they always do and so for good or for worse, I feel like you're gonna hear and see some changing of opinions about these players and the role that they have here. All right, we're at the time right now. I want to thank you everybody out there for joining us here in the

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