Draft Show: Prepping For Mobile

more normal around here in January. News flying about coaching hires, which I was shocked that we got to this stage of January without more news on that front. Looks like the Broncos and Bears are filling their job openings. Sounds like that's going to have an impact on the Cowboys coaching staff, which is amazing timing because it's time to talk Senior Bowl. How y'all doing this morning? I'm doing awesome. Yeah, you're it. All it takes is one domino to fall,

you know. All it takes is that one and once to Denver one. I mean, there's talk about what Jacksonville is gonna do, and but with Byron Leflige, though, you're looking at a situation where he's looking to bring personnel guys. So that's kind of a hold up over there. But when you get one, then all of a sudden, the other ones start to fall. I think the thing is you had some new general managers that need to get up to speed, and I think that slowed things up

a little bit. So and you know, there's there's reports out there that dan Quinn might be staying with the Cowboys. I don't want to get too deep into that until we've had a chance to work on it a little bit more. But I think what a journalist you are, hey, I mean I don't I don't want to sit here and go with stuff that we're reading one face if in the internet, if anybody knows his stuff, it probably Tom Pellicero. I just don't want to jump the gun.

But I just I do think it's interesting because Brian, you know, like we're going to get into talking about these players. Well, I thought dan Quinn had the Denver job. I don't know much. You know what happens at places like Mobile, Yeah, and so I mean this is an interesting time of year. How does how could that potentially change? Things for the Cowboys, and again, we don't even know

if they're going to go to Mobile. Yeah, but when you talk about guys hiring and changing jobs and stuff like that, how does that affect the beginning of this draft process as teams get ready to go down to Mobile. Yeah, there's there's two things you can do in Mobile you can take advantage of. If you're a head coach that's looking for staff, you get inundated. You know, you always there's always guys that are kind of scouting. You're out.

If you're a team that has openings at running back, offensive line, quarterback, whatever, maybe some new coaches are going to get opportunities to Mattie Refluse guys like that to go down there. It might be a bad situation. You might not want to go because you have everybody looking for a job and wanting to talk to you, and then you can't evaluate while you're down there is evaluate the players. So to me, it's really a kind of

a twofold. You're there to look at the players, But maybe you do take the opportunity to set up a couple of interviews off campus with guys if you have some positions, say, for example, if the Cowboys moved on from Joe Philbin as an offensive line coach, and they went down there trying to will that into a second. As I say, I'm just giving you an example of something that could happen. Yeah, they were looking for that type. They could set up some guys, maybe some guys like

a Mike Munchak or something like that from Denver. Some of these staffs that have openings George Warhop at Jacksonville. These are coaches that are out of jobs, that are good coaches, and maybe you take the opportunity to after practice, Hey, let's meet over here for lunch. We'll do a little interview and kind of get a little bit of an idea what's going on. Kyle Yeoman's also starting to feel a little bit more like January because we got to prove to go to Mobile. Very excited about about that.

We'll miss y'all next week. I do. I miss I miss our trips to what's what's the oysterhouse down there? This is the ACME win Winsel's acme's in New Orleans Rights Act me as in New Orleans Forte. I'm surprised you're not going to be in a Winnebago, just driving all the way down there. You know, if they let me go in to Winnebago, I would I'd absolutely go in to Winnebago. If you didn't have feature strength, as you know, if you didn't have to modify five hours

of radio a day, yeah, I'd love to go. I love the Senior Bowl. I love the Senior Bowl. I love the combine my two favorite places. Fantastic segue into all right, so we can talk about dan Quinn. We can worry about all that stuff later. But the Senior Bowl starts next week practices, we'll have a chance to look at some of these guys. What what are your early thoughts on this roster? And I looked through it last night. No one we were going to talk about it.

I know this isn't it's not a star studded draft, at least it doesn't seem like it to me. But for what seems like the six or seventh year in a row, like, I mean, all the important quarterbacks are gonna be there. What stands out to you from this roster? Well, starting with quarterback, six of my top seven quarterbacks are in Mobile. I mean, that's that's a pure thing off the top I mean, of course early rankings in my regard,

but six of the top seven. The only one that's not in Mobile was Old Missus quarterback who tours ACL in the Sugar Bowl, and Matt Correll. So there are so many talented players. And it's not just quarterback, running backs, wide receivers. There's a lot of really good wide receivers. Pretty Much every good senior outside of maybe Chris Olave from Ohio State who you mentioned in the first show, is going to be there. Tight end. There are eight really good tight ends that are going to be a

part of the festivities down in Mobile. And usually you see it. Every once in a while, you'll have a good position group. Like a couple of years ago, the defensive tackles were really solid and Nevill Gallimore was a part of that, but Javon kim Law was there. There were a bunch of guys in the mix in terms of that defensive line that we're really impressive this year. Really see it on the offensive side of the football and a lot of the really good skills positions that

are gonna be fun to watch in practice. It's almost like a rite of passage to fall in love with a receiver or two during Senior Bowl practice. Yeah, I think I counted. I think I counted. Let's see when we do this again, that's five, eight to ten, twelve. I got twelve second round grades on guys that are playing in this game. Wow. So to me, that's and my only first round guy. Again, I'm not to the point where I've seen a two hundred guys or anything

like that. But the hundred or the sixty guys I've seen, you know, Lloyd the linebacker from Utah would be a guy that I'd be very interested. But yeah, when you start to talk about defensive ends, there's a couple of defensive tackles. Mathis from Alabama. I think as a guy, you're going to have to look at Logan Hall from Houston, another defensive tackle that's a one in the three right there.

As far as the techniques, Jermaine Johnson, end, Cam Thomas, these defensive ends, you know Sanders, I mean, there are some defensive ends this thing it plus these of these guards. If you're interested in a guard or a tackle with Zion Johnson, you know Kennard we mentioned him as well, Penny, you know Falala, how would you say that I mean position, he's the Minnesota offensive tackle and so yeah, I mean to me, that's where you know you mentioned the tight ends.

McBride is a kid that I watched at Colorado State that I kind of like a little bit. So yeah, it's a it. They've done a really nice job down there with the with the roster and how they've put that together. That's you're a perfect person to ask. You've been involved in the draft process since the early nineties. It seems to me like the rosters a lot better

overall than it used to be. Not not this specific year, but even in the time since I started doing this, it seems like the Senior Bowl is getting a better quality of player to be willing to go. I mean, it blew my mind when they got Baker Mayfield up. I was shocked by that. Yeah, why do you think that showed up? He still they say, got him to go?

You know, I think that. I think what's happened is that you you know, Phil Savage used to run the Senior Bowl, and you know, to me, there was you know, Phil didn't have it was like a small committee of guys. The Senior Bowl has taken on a whole new different look. When it comes to the evaluation. Phil used to really rely on like the scouts telling him what guys, and then it came down to okay, well, then hey we

have to you know, we have to extend invitations. I think now if you look at the new regime and what they've been able to do there and Mobile, is that they've done a better job. They have a full time really scouting department, They go to all these games, they have their own sets of eyes, they have personnel evaluations. So not only do you take what's going on with from the input you get from general managers and scouts, you have your own input and I think that's what's

made the game so much better. Yeah, and you've also had guys that have gone to the Senior Bowl, played, got exposure, had success, and it's actually helped their draft stock, you know. So I think there's a lot of positivity about the Senior Bowl and what is going forward. Really good example of what you just talked about. What about Mac Jones last year. There is a lot of talk about him going early second round, maybe mid second round as a quarterback out of Alabama, and then all of

a sudden he goes to Mobile. Matt rule is raving about this guy. We spent two months talking about him as the number two overall and then again and he popped the I know Jeffrey knowing. Oh okay. All of that said, though, Cowboys first round pick isn't going to be in Mobile more than likely, more than likely. I

feel like it could be. If it's Yd, it could be, if it's Lloyd, could be, well, well, just Penning, what are you looking for in these I know you're not gonna be able to go I wish you were, but what are you looking for in these three practices? I what I care about the Senior Bowl Week four is the level of competition is consistent and it's really really good. And college teams like offenses and defensives, they're all very very different. What they ask people to do is very

very different. At the Senior Bowl you strip all of that away and you say, all right, how about you versus him? The one on ones are the most fun part, right, Like it's let me see can you cover him? Can you get open on him? And so like guys who take the Georgia guys right, they got Quay Walker, Channing, Tendl, DeVante Wyatt like they got a bunch of guys at the Senior Bowl. Their defense was awesome and they had

so many awesome players. And while I'm studying Nakobe Dean, their linebacker, who's going to go in the first round, I keep making notes of check who the other linebacker is. Oh wait, there's a different one. Check who that linebacker is. Oh my god, there's another one. Because Nolan Smith is a pass rushing linebacker of their's and like every one of them, it's like, man, that dude can absolutely fly

and that dude can absolutely hit. You get your eyes on all these different guys, and I guess back to my original point, I'm gonna name one guy, Jalen Petrie. He's a safety at Baylor. I have no idea if he can cover. No, No, I can't because the dude plays the slot for them, and I don't think I've seen a snap of man coverage. So like he blitzes, he plays to run. He's super aggressive, great instincts. Yeah, he wants to break everybody in half. I have no

clue if he can cover and mobile. You'll find out because they're gonna make you. Yeah, And so it's just a great evaluating tool for guys who you haven't seen do certain things to see what do you got. That's a really great point. And I mean we'll see some linebackers work at edge. Probably we'll see some like Tweeter

edge guys do some linebacker drills. Well that's you know, that's the thing with Jim Nagee and we talk about him taking over and he works with these the coaches, you know, the Lions and you know what they're you know,

and the Jets. I mean, he's gonna work with those coaches and say, hey, listen, we've got grades on these guys play in and coaches the scout will go up and ask, hey, could you give this guy some reps at defensive ind Like you know the other day, if say, if Michael Parsons had gone to the Senior Bowl, that maybe Michael Parsons might have been a guy you've seen get some reps at rush in and you said, whoa, I remember seeing Michael Parsons rush and kind of having

that in your mind. It's so good for the Cowboys that the draft process was so incomplete that year, well in that he didn't play an entire That's what I'm saying, Like they you if you had, if you had a more complete picture of who Michael Parsons was, where do you think he goes top four? It's hard to imagine him because you also had to look back at the top of that draft, Like, I don't think Atlanta's upset about their picks at I don't think since he's upset

about their pick, they're definitely not. Maybe Sewell and Slater would flip flop um. Yeah, but doing that exercise is really fun because I thought the same thing, Like, Michael Parsons is freaking incredible. Surely he would go in the top three, and you're like, wait, no, they'd probably still pick a quarterback. Yeah, that pick worked out great, don't work. Probably could have taken a linebacker there, don't you think if it was Michael Parsons. Kyle Pitts was fantastic, And

you know, I love Kyle Pitts. But don't you think most people would draft a thirteen sack edge rush linebacker guy over a tight end? Uh No, you know, I never looked at him as a tight end, So that's fair. That's kind of what I did. You take Devin White over Travis Kelsey. I don't think Devin Whites he's a double digit sack guy. That's a good linebacker he had. But I think their skill sets are different. Like sure Bucks don't use Devin in the way that the Cowboys

use Micah Parsons. I think the Cowboys had to use Michael Parsons because they didn't have a defensive end to rush. I asked Dan that. I was like, is it fair to say that this sometimes sometimes because nobody was available? Sometimes that a necessity. You come up with great ideas. You know, what's that? What's that saying? Necessity is the mother of invention? Yeah, well, you know, I just think they do a really nice job. The Senior Bowl is they've We've talked about this. They do a lot better

job with the evaluation. I think they do a better job of the coaches putting him through the drills, the one on one stuff. Jeff's talking about that film that you watch and the Senior Bowl is invaluable when well, remember Ali Moore Pett from Hobart, you know, I mean we watched Ali Moore Pett and the Hobart tape. I keep bringing it up because of the bounce house and the out in the end zone and stuff. But when you watched Ali Moorepett played the Senior Bowl, you know,

like he belonged. Yeah, you know there's there's there are players that are going to get opportunities that from these small schools that that you your tape is going to be a little bit you know, a little bit lacking, but Senior Bowl tape might help you. This is I went through the roster just because there's always a guy Kyle Dugger from Lenoir Ryan as another one safety turning turning into a nice player for the Patriots. Got a got an offensive lineman from Fordham. Yeah seven blocks of

granted we Vince Lombardi school. Shout out to Fordham. I thought I saw a Gregory. I watched him last night. I watched him last night. How do you look like? You know what? It's funny. It's he's playing at Cliff Harris Stadium there the old Yeah, that's where he was playing. Nice. But this guy, I mean, you know you're watching to play against Southern Arkansas Henderson State. The guy he looks small on tape. He's like a five eleven to a

one guy. He looks small, and it's funny because everything about him looks like that he could be a good player. I mean, he's a relaxed pedal, he's really quick, he bursts. This is what the Senior Bowls for, though, guys like this, the Gregory juniors of the world who probably should have been maybe a little bit better, but the competition to

step up. You know, if he goes out there and you start to hear him cover and see him in the one on one and he doesn't look out a place, then you're now, you're now you're even going back and you're saying, Okay, I've got to know a little bit more about this guy. But I mean, this guy's really really a natural player the way he moves. And you know, scouts and coaches, we miss players all the time. Kids end up at places like that because they fall through

the cracks, you know. And I'm sure this kid will go out there at Mobile and he'll do just fine, covering guys from Michigan and Ohio State and wherever else he has to cover guys. There's also a Sam Houston corner as well. Out there. That's I mean, which fair, and I love that, like you give guys an opportunity. But we're at the point and I love this. I love it about the draft process in football in general, Like FCS doesn't even feel like a reach to me anymore.

You know, like those guys are on a Dayota State, I mean absolutely. Jabril Cox is a fantastic example, made that jump to LSU playing the offensive tackle we've been talking about. Yeah, and so I mean Sam Houston I think played in the National title game this year, this year, two years ago. Yeah, well or in the spring technically, so since the last senior bowlding. Yeah. That that that that's a quality program. So Zion McCullum, I see you, buddy, I'm ready to watch you. What would you do if

I told you? Will McClay took over the draft process in twenty fourteen. Dever drafted a small school game. We can actually we got a questionably Boise that's as small as you go. We got a question about that in Twitter on those law Tech. They've drafted woods. They've drafted eighteen senior Bowl guys in the time Will has been running the draft. Yeah, twenty fifteen got a lot of good players. Twenty fifteen is the only year that they haven't done it, and they've drafted six in the last

two years. Gallimore, Reggie Robinson, Bradley and i OsO Diggi Zua, Chauncey Golston and Jabril Cox. And there's fifteen or twenty guys at the Senior Bowl. They're gonna be top sixty picks. Yeah, it's just just in my sixty guys. What I say, you know, twelve thirteen forty whatever the number I gave you though, that's second round twelve and they probably have six first rounders. Yeah, I mean I haven't seen it. I haven't seen all of the quarterbacks. Like, you're gonna

have three or four quarterbacks go. I guess he's gonna go in the first. Dotson might go in the first. The Penn statewide receiver Devin Lloyd's gonna go in the first. There might be seven eight first round picks in Mobile. It feels unfair. I mean, yeah, the quarterbacks will be first round price, but like, I don't know, that feels like cheating to me a little bit. Using the quarterbacks.

Well yeah, a because the Cowboys aren't going to draft them, and because quarterbacks get overdrafted, and that's exactly what's going to happen this year. Because it's not a strong quarterback class. I like Kenny pick it up at the top, and Malik Willis is gonna impress some people in Mobile because he's finally gonna have an offensive line that blocks form well Willis out of Liberty, pick it out of Pittsburgh.

But it's not a good quarterback. He used this platform to announce that you will never hear a strong quarterback opinion from me ever again, because time it's impossible. Oh is this in relation to Josh Allen? Just all of them, Like Josh Allen's the ultimate outlier, and like, yeah, that was a not very good college player that couldn't throw a ball accurately that now can. And it's like quarterbacks is so so hard ever get a strong little run right now? You would you you could find some tweets

that I'd be really embarrassed about about Josh Allen. Let me tell you what time to go. You'll talk about the senior. But I think it's a big time for Sam Howell from North Carolina. Absolutely, because Sam Howe came into this process as being one of the top quarterbacks in the draft. I think it's super super important and I think people are sleeping on him. That's my guy that I'm going to kind of champion a little bit. I love willis I love what you watched the old

Miss game. You'll fall in love with him just because of the sheer will that he played with in that football game. But Sam Howe is a guy that I kind of feel like that people were on him early and then they got real quiet about him because North Carolina's season wasn't very good and I think he's gonna make somebody a good quarterback one day. It's worth pointing out he lost like his entire supporting cast coming out of twenty twenty. All right, Actually this pertains to a

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do deserve that Doctor Pepper zero sugar. The zero you deserve is Finally here is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. It is the second segment of the Draft Show, which means it's time to take your questions. We got Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the twenty beautiful. All right. I mentioned this before the break. I think this is

the type of stuff that fascinates me. Sam wants to know, do you think do you think this will be a harder to predict than usual first round because of the quarterback situation, Like this doesn't appear to be a year where we're going to be debating four quarterbacks at the top of the round or do you think that narrative is going to change as we get a better look at some of these qbs. I think this will be a hard first round to predict, because, yeah, it's not

even just the quarterbacks. To me, I think ranking the offensive lineman is really hard. Like I think Brian told me the other day what his is and I'm like, not me. I think the offensive tackles the order that they're going to go in, don't know the quarterbacks, who's going to prefer them, how many teams are gonna think one of them's worth the first round pick. Don't know who's the best pass rusher. That's up in the air. How many pass rushers are worth first round pick that's

up in the air. There's not a dominant defensive tackle in this draft class that's a pass rusher. Like, there's so many unique things about this draft class that I actually like picking around twenty four. I might like to pick it like nineteen or twenty, but I like picking it twenty four because you get to let everybody else figured out. I'm gonna say a player this, and maybe maybe you would say this every No, no, you wouldn't this feels like a year where picking twenty fourth isn't

the end of the world. Like that kind of feels like where the sweet spot starts to come into play. Or am I just being biased? No? I think you're right because right up at the top of the draft you have a couple names, But other than that, it's not like it's a eight or nine pick deep where

you're hoping a couple of those guys fall. Last year, you were sitting at ten and you were hoping those corners fell, if Patrick's or Tan and JC Horn, you were hoping those guys fell because they were top ten talents, and then of course you up finding Michael Parsons along the way. This year, there's not that deep of a It's deeper than it is top heavy in terms of the draft talent. You have the Hutchinson's up at the top, you have the Thibadeaus, a couple other players probably sprinkled

in that mix. But after that it could really go anywhere. It just ends up falling. Now. The other thing I wanted to point out, we've done mock drafts to each of the last two years and going all the way into the third round two years ago, so twenty twenty, we got eight of the first ten picks right in our mocks all the way through, so it was pretty predictable. Right. Last year we got the first four picks right and not a single one after that. Yeah, every because as

soon as one thing falls everything went to hell. Pretty cool, everything goes completely different direction. And I assume that's probably gonna be the case this year. You're probably gonna get maybe the first two or three picks right, and then somebody's gonna surprise you by taking a player, and then all of a sudden, it's gonna domino from there on out.

I think the unpredictability of the round what's gonna happ up and ahead of you, is going to be in the future of the two New York teams and what happens in Philadelphia. I think those teams are going to dictate what direction this draft goes, just based off of the pure draft capital, just the numbers they have, which and we can throw this back. If you remember Tuesday, Tim wanted to know our thoughts on the situation with Philly. Yeah, they have pick fifteen, Pick sixteen, and pick nineteen all

ahead of you. What do you think is more realistic? I mean, if they draft three guys and hit on them, they could revamp their team in an offseason or knowing how Roseman, do you think it's more likely that they use that capital move around. I kind of feel like that they're going to try and move around a little bit a making three picks, Yeah, I don't. I don't think so. That's why I said either one or two or he's making eleven. Yeah, I could see the Giants

holding in there. I could see the Giants making two picks, you know, they're two picks. I could see the Jets maybe making one of the picks and then trying to move for some more philadel If he is going to move, Philadelphia is not gonna not gonna sit there. What if they go trade for a quarterback? Well, that's yeah, I mean they that's that's that's a possibility there. But I think that this draft completely is going to be not controlled.

But when we figure out what the Giants are gonna do again, I think the Giants are going to stay there and pick, you know, the Jets. I think the Jets can be one of those picks new GM though it's not Gettlman who loves the stands now they need players. They're not gonna need players that you know. That's what happens when you walk in that building in New York, even if you're a new general manager, whatever, history starts to tell you that you need to we need players.

You know our roster, Look at our roster. We need players that kind of like that's teams in cap trouble too. What they carry over Jeff thirteen thousand dollars the other day. They are they are like really top like they have a lot of money committed to such a bad roster. Sure, that's what I'm saying. So to me, that's where they're at right now. But this draft will be hard to predict just because of the those picks owned by those three teams. If they move, if they stay, you know,

I think that teams. I think there's some teams that are locked into committed to looking at quarterbacks. You know, I think Davis Mills played better in Houston, kind of gave them a little bit of a better understanding. Depending on who they get it's their head coach is another thing. But to me, you know, the Giants, they're trying to talk themselves into thinking that their quarterbacks good. But they

might not double down on it. Yeah, we kind of talk about this thing not being a very good quarterback draft. All it takes is one team believing that that we don't know what we're talking about, and that happens a lot. Leo is gonna make this really simple, he says, Pick twenty four, Nakobe Dean or Devin Lloyd, linebacker. Nakobe Deane's linebacker out of Georgia, dev Devin Lloyd from Utah. If you're not familiar, one six foot sixty three and they both play their ass off and they both tackle, they

both run, they both finish. You know, if you went either way with those guys, it just depends on what you want. You know, if Dan Quinn stays and you know, with the way the coaching things going right now, you know Dan's really you got really one more team, I think that you have to dodge and you know, we'll see. But you know the Dan Dan's played with shorter linebackers before he has, and after Dion Jones he did, he sure did, so to me, that's you know that I

think it's open to either one of those guys. I would be super super happy with it, Just depend on you. One a six foot guy or six three guys. Jeff said, Dean Brian's a coward, Kyle, what do you think? Which which one did you pick? I'll take to Georgia, kid, I have him over that if they we're doing that. Yeah, I'm just telling you I would. He wanted to know which one take Dean as well? But which one do you feel like would pair better with Michael Parsons? Because

either one, either one's going to play one. That's what I was trying to till I was called a coward. But either one's fine. It's not fun being antagonized by the host, not at all. Who did you take? If you looked either one? I haven't seen him. I'm sorry, okay, but I've I've watched all of the Draft show. You got to kind of get a watch. I have watched a lot of Nakobe Dean just watching Georgia football. He is a very good player. I would like to have him on this team. Nacobe Dean is either like a

Roquan Smith or if you like more recent names. Watching the Draft show, I think Nakobe Dean is a supercharged Nick Bolton that can blitz sick. That's what I think he is like, yeah, I love like Nick Bolton isn't the athlete that Nakoby Dean is. But Nakobe Dean does the same thing Nick Bolton did a year ago, which is when the ball is snapped, he's the first one moving. He's going the right way every time. And I just again from watching Dean not saying he can like rush

the passer the way Mica can. No, but I'd like say in front of him, he's he can live in the backfield and he's done it at the highest level of football, Um, Ruben, which I don't. I'll just throw it to y'all. You tell me. He We talked about this in the first segment. The Cowboys do not really draft small school guys like Louisian Attack and Boise are about as small as they've gone in the Will McClay era. Reuben wants to know, like is that good? Should they

be taking a harder look at guys like that? And I think my answer to that would just be I think they do. Like, it's not like they don't look at those guys. They just use school pedigree as a tiebreaker, right. Well, I think the tiny school thing is, you know how many of those guys are getting drafted. The odds are that any of the thirty two teams aren't going to draft a really small school guy on any given year.

So I think it probably is a preference because you're more comfortable watching the level of competition of the bigger school guys. And I think that makes sense for an NFL team because the idea of the draft, I think, or a big part of it, is minimizing risk. You wanted to have the best odds of the dude being able to play in the NFL and help your team as you can. And a great way to minimize risk is to feel better about the tape you saw. So

I get it. If there's a small school guy that you love, like I bet Will McClay would pick de Marcus Ware. I bet he would. Yeah, I bet think you'd get that right? Yeah? Um? But yeah, it makes sense to lean hard into the bigger schools because and that's why the Senior Bowl is so important. The little school guys. When you line up against Penn State, whoop? How do you line up against Michigan whoop them? That

will get an NFL team to go? Okay? I and DeMarcus where DeMarcus where was a Senior Bowl guy, right, Brian, Yes, but he smashed it, I bet, but it was great. If Will drafted a small school guy, I bet he'd be a Senior Bowl guy. I don't know if they would draft a guy like that purely off college tape.

What do you think? The only uh, and I'm just looking at my notes, the only really small school guy that I have that's a Senior Bowl guy in the in the first two rounds is Pinning from north Northern Iowa. That's the only guy I've got. This small school guy. Now, I don't know excuse him. I don't know if they take him, but that that that's that's Jeff's right. If you know he's gotta Pinning's gonna show up and prove. You can watch him play against Iowa State and it

wasn't always pretty. So if he goes out there and flops around and stuff like that against some of these really good rush ends that I was talking about earlier, then that kind of gets you that, well, maybe he's not all for this. And I think that does influence you when you watch the Senior Bowls stuff. If you're a small school guy from a more general general standpoint, you might be able to speak better to this, Brian. But as a scout than in a scouting department, you're

always taught don't look at the helmet. Right, Yes, it's scout the player, not the team. Sure, but there is a level of comfort for a scouting department whenever you do have success drafting a certain type of player from a certain type of program. Right. Yeah, I was taught that he'd better walk on water. If it's a small school guy, he'd better walk on water. There's bounce houses in the end zone. If there's bounce houses in the end zone, you got a shot too. But yeah, I

mean the guys that walked on water. If you go back through history, the guy's like a Jerry Rice, So Walter Payton, schools like that. You know, Jackson, You know that's almost said Tom McNair, McNair for even Steve McNair from Alcorn, those guys walked on water. Is walking on water only for early round picks or is that throughout there?

I think I think the early round. I think the early round pick because you're gonna you're gonna hit on a you're gonna hit on if you're lucky, and if you draft a small school guy like an Andre Reid from you know, Kunstown State or something like that. You know, Brian shout out our friends on the other side of the pond. Yeah they are. I love those guys on the other side. They ask you questions. Our buddy, our buddy, Lauren from from our UK content. I love, I love

those folks over there by the way. And I hope I hope that the Cowboys, with Jacksonville being on the schedule, I hope the league comes out and says here just in the next couple of weeks that we're all well heading back that direction. It'll be a lot of fun from your lips to drink. Oh my gosh, yeah, like fish, I didn't. I didn't know that supposedly. Again, I know they're football over there. It's it's early days. David A. Jabo, the Michigan end, Yeah, is Scottish born. He actually is

Nigerian and lived in s found up in Scotland. Okay, gotcha right. Lauren's worried that Randy Gregory is going to leave. Do we think David Njabo is a realistic candidate in the twenty four range? I kind of think that to me. We talked about the way I would have it is because yes, Calotus Walker and then schools Karloftus is Purdue, right, and then Walkers Georgia and then and then a Jabo this year talking about is Michigan. I kind of feel like that that would be the order I would have

him in if those three were available. I think Karloftus is a hell of a player prom Purdue. I really really do Walker. I think Walker's got some ability. I kind of like how they move him, have him as an end. He could play, he could play inside two for you. I think his pass rough stuff is not as good as what I would see in Karloftus if

that was given. I love the way Purdue, in my brain is just the epitome of like a six and six playing at eleven nam Big ten team, But like they've always got a badass or two they knocked out if you remember they knocked off they knocked off number two Iowa and number three Michigan State last year. There's such spoilers in the big They murdered Ohio Ohio State a couple of years. Yeah, Tyler Coyle from last year too, undrafted free agent Rondel Moore. Yeah, they got a receiver

is I can't think of his name right now. I don't know if he's in the draft. I think he's in this class. David Bell, there we go, Thank you. John wants early thoughts on safeties guys that can maybe play single high. Kyle Hamilton's obviously the big one. I don't know if that's right. I saw a deal where he's going to Philadelphia, by the way, on like a mock draft. Think it was Bucky Brooks's mock draft. They had a run there where they Philadephia dropped to fifteen Philadelphia.

Philadelphia took three guys in a row. I went, oh, damn, that's hard for me. One of those deals was it was it was Liberom Hamilton. I mean they he had, he had all th nineteen was a bad pick. I forgot who it was. Any other safeties that you like, bad pick besides mister Hamilton. Yeah, do you, Jeff? You watched uh you watch the kid from Michigan, didn't you? Yeah?

Daxton Hill. Daxton Hill is a really good player. I think Daxton Hill at Michigan is probably a guy that's gonna go somewhere between pick number twenty and picked number thirty five or forty. He plays the slot and he plays safety for Michigan. He ain't scared of contact in any way, shape or form, and he runs like the wind. Like like a lot of guys, you don't get a perfect picture of the NFL player that he's going to

be because of how teams use guys in college. But Daxton Hill is a guy that I think is going to offer somebody the versatility to be a one of your deep half field safeties, maybe a free safety. Um nickel he does on tape. Yeah, but so many college guys in the nickel on tape. I want all of them to go to the Senior Bowl because so many college guys when they play the Nickel on tape, they are stand and wait and chase, and I'm like, Okay, that kind of coverage ain't gonna work in the NFL.

But it's kind of what they do where they're just like I'm waiting, I'm waiting, I'm waiting. I try to touch you and I chase you. But I mean, he's got makeup speed for days, Dexton, He'll fly. Yeah. I think the thing that's really cool about him, and I think Jeff nailed him By the way, that was a really good report on him, because to me, you know, he's one of those guys that you can watch him and you talk about Chase and they put him in

the slot and he'll go inside. I think that's if you get me a defensive back that could play running inside and deny the football. How many times have we seen plays, big plays given up inside because the corner or somebody can't cover a guy going inside. This guy can do that, and I think he did a really good job of avoiding penalties, especially when he had to go inside and cover. You know, you can get a little grabby or come over the back and stuff like that.

But this guy has got some toughness to him. You know when you watch him, when he reads the routes and it's all of a sudden the balls come in his direction, he's going to tackle, you know. I mean Michigan State running back, the kid Walker try to run over him. It didn't work, he said, technically did fall backward, but he but he was not scared. But yeah, yeah, that guy hit him. I mean it was a good collision there. I thought he was a wrap up tiger, so kind of a smart guy. Finished his plays it

could play in coverage. There's when I first watched him play, he was one of the first guys i'd seen play. I thought this was Dallas's pick, and I didn't know when Dallas was gonna pick. I was thinking Dallas was gonna pick at twenty nine or something like that. I thought this was I thought this was the guy. I thought this was who they were gonna I think they have a better shot at doing that now that dan Quinn could potentially be back then more because he fits

that system almost well. If they lose all their safeties too, that other thing, assuming that, assuming it, and I have no reason to doubt Tom Pellicero he knows the stuff, but assuming that's true, I'm excited to have some clarity about the type of guys we're gonna want to look at exactly, and that it'll help us going into Mobile next week too, because then we can look at that guy and that guy and that guy and say that's

a dan Quinn guy. Safety. Just my overall thought is Kyle Hamilton's going to be gone before you're even or even close to twenty four. You've got two names, and it's Dax Hill and Brisker, who we talked about in the first show from Penn State, who will out be out at the Senior Bowl, And then to me, there's a big drop off before you see the next couple guys like Sign from Georgia and McKinley from Oregon, Cross

from Maryland. There's a significant gap. So maybe if you don't take one of those two names and it works out to where you even talk about a safety in the first round, which with this front office we know is not necessarily the case, then you're probably not captain safety name until three or four. It's Kyle over there trying to get captain trade hunter round. Not first you're

trying to add a pick. Say if you want to add a pick, maybe, but we can move this bad boy back at I was about to say, keep it in like the twenties. I don't want to go out of the first round to pick up a safety in the eighties. I love a good segue. I love a good segue. I hate this question, but my job is to field the questions that you send me. So Rob and you're telling him you hate his question, I do his face. I do hate his question. But he wants to know if the Cowboys were to trade a Marii

Cooper this offseason. What kind of compensation do you think they could get that. I assume he's asking because you would imagine it would help their draft cast. Second round. I'll I'll totally guess second round at most at most and maybe less age injury issues. I think I think the injury history is something that's very relevant here. I think his compensation is fair for the player. Right, he's

a twenty million dollars player. He's a twenty million dollar talent, you are, which part of what made him so valuable the first time he was traded is very young for an NFL VET, And he's still young for a guy who's been in the league six seven years, but not as young as he was, and he wasn't on a huge contract whereas now he is. Yeah, now he's now,

he's fairly compensated. And I think if you just add up that he's a knicked up guy and like we can pretend and the Oakland stuff doesn't matter and no teams care about it. But even going back to the Raiders stuff, I think there's people around the league that look at his demeanor and won't be interested. I think there's some teams that would just be like, we're not gonna give up much. Do you remember people are talking about does he even like football? Probably? Is this a

glass eater? No? Probably unfair in my opinion, but valid, Like that's a valid thing that I think. What's unfair about it? I just I think that we think he loves football. Yeah, but I'm projecting other people's y'all talk to Amar every week. I mean, I just wonderful guy to talk to because he because he's got a lot of other interests. I think I think he's been available the entirety of the time that he lines up in plays you have trouble getting him the ball? Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah,

Amari Cooper being having a disappointing year this year. I do not put on Amari Coop, not at all. I don't personally. That's why I still think I think second round has to be even though it's the probably the max. I don't. I wouldn't accept anything less, honestly, would you? Are y'all interested in doing that? No, not even a little bit. I think I'm I'm with you. I think, yeah, no, we we've talked about this. No, but you asked the question. It was a second round pick, and I think that's

where we're at. You know, I think the thing. Let's be honest though, too, if we went back and did and did all our shows from the summertime we were all talking about, could this receivering crew all have a twelve hundred yards and all that, I'd say it's probably a little disappointing. Yeah, I think all the projections we had for this group was disappointing. But do you put that on the player? Do you put that on the coaching staff? Players? You do? I mean you a chunk

of it? Yeah, I mean you can't sit there just say that it's all Kellen Moore's fault. You know, you can't. I mean, you gotta blame Dak. You gotta blame the receivers. How about availability? He missed three games because he got sick. You know, I forgot about that when I said he's been available that And I imagine that's something that fresh traded the front office, which asolutely they haven't really shied away.

They have not. I still don't think you make this team better by getting rid of your best who I think is still your best receiver. Do you feel like they use him the right way not right now? Okay, but you can you trust anybody across the hall that I'm gonna do it to you? Now, you trust anybody across the hall to get him the ball at this particular moment. I don't feel confident about it. Yeah, but it's January. We got time. I can talk myself into this. Said.

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pet cats for lack of a better term. Like I said, I'm going to fall in love with somebody this week. I still remember thinking Braxton Miller was and his footwork of the wide receiver girls was incredible. I thought he was gonna be I thought he was gonna take over the league. So I can't wait to get hurt again. But I just I would love to hear some pet cats. So let's just go around the table. Brian. I'll start with you. Just give me one or two guys that

you're really I'm really interested in these defensive alignemen. And when you start to talk about Jermaine Johnson, Cam Thomas, those guys I mentioned mathis from Alabama, Hall from Houston, you know to me that this might be one of those kind of those sneaky things, those sneaky needs that we like to talk about. If things whatever happens with your defensive tackle situation, whatever happens with Brandy, what happens with the cap with uh, say, you know with Tank.

You know they might be looking at at twenty four and keeping a really broad open mind about hey, best player. But these these edge players, I think there's quite a few of them. And I do I do love the kid, I do love Johnson, and I do I do like Cam Thomas myself. So keeping on that, I know Sanders as a kid at a Cincinnati that has got some interest from some folks. So it's got a pretty good little flavor of defensive lineman. So that's a position I'm

going to kind of be focusing on overall. Cam Thomas out of San Diego State. Yeah, writing that down, Yeah, he's a good when to look at. He'll be he'll be. What's gonna happen is he's gonna go on. You'll see him in the one on one stuff and he's got a guy it's probably gonna be winning quite a bit because he's kind of a slippery, but like really good technician, slap hands, rip, you know, pull that kind of guy. So I have a feeling he'll be able to break

some of these tackles down. Kyle, what do you got? I've got a couple guys and I tweet it out a list of five last night that I was excited to watch, and apparently three of those guys may not actually play this week, So pretty disappointing. Yeah, it was disappointing. I've got some late later round guys that I kind of want to look that may have a chance to jump, one of which is a Dallas guy, Reggie Robertson Junior. He's fun, he's very fun, great hands, he can high

point the football, makes catching traffic. He's a good route runner. I'm excited to see him go up against these bigger corners and guys that are able to challenge him from a speed and a physical standpoint, and I think he's got a chance to jump. There was another SMU guy, Danny Gray, that'll be a part of the Senior Bowl. But I'm really keeping my eyes on Robertson, who's been at SMU for quite some time. I feel like I was calling games of his back in like twenty eighteen

when I was in school. Still so in school in twenty eighteen. Let's not talking about it. I would say, I would say outside of that, I want to see some of these. Of course, offensive interior lineman Zion Johnson who brought brought us brought up the other day Leviticus Smith or no, wait, I said that first name wrong, Letitia Leedicus. I don't know how about if you I want you to know, the odds are you're going to be the pronunciation and I haven't gotten to this point. Yeah,

that's why I'm excited to see him. Uh Stuber from Michigan, which I think I said his name wrong too, Spencer Burford from ut Utsa offensive lineman heavy this week, and honestly, I think the one on one drills of the trenches is going to be where I'm planted for the majority of the week. Jeffrey, what do you got? I have four names that when I was looking over the rosters this morning, are really really interesting to me. I love Baylor safety Jalen Petrie, but I have no idea if

he can cover. As I said earlier, um, but he is like the leader of a pack of rabid dogs on that Baylor defense. You watch them play and you're like, oh my god, everybody out there is trying to break people on every play. Miranda, I miss you, Dave Randa. Yeah, and Jalen Petrie played the nickel, but a lot of times he walks down and plays the edge, and he like he doesn't mind wrestling offensive lineman. Like, so he's a quote nickel that will hold the edge against offensive tackles.

You're kind of describing Jeron Curse a little bit. Maybe he's a much smaller version six foot and I don't know, two hundred, maybe like Winfield at all from Tampa. No, because Winfield was a single high. I don't know if Peatri can cover, so That's why I'm interested. I want to see neither kid. Winfield, if you watched him play the other day, I mean Winfield plays down, Winfield play single high. He was good in college. Yeah, I haven't been keeping close tabs on him in the pros. And

he got run by the other day. I think Petrie is probably he's in football called a zero blitz in a and they trusted him, and they trusted him to cover. That was their fault. Yeah. Kobe Bryant Cincinnati's other corner. Yes, I watched him last night. Sauce Gardner's gonna get all the headlines, and rightfully so, because he is the best corner on that team. But Kobe Bryant was a fifth year senior that took advantage of the extra year you

could play because of the COVID deal. And he's another big old corner that when they let him step up in front of people and play press and when they when he gets to play man that way, you're like, holy cow, there's something there. So Kobe Bryant Cincinnati corner. And two defensive tackles that I think are interesting for the Cowboys. Fidarian mathis at Alabama and Davante Wyatt at

Georgia or two guys, I haven't seen Wyatt yet. Why it's funny because he's six three three fifteen and so to most people, you'd hear that and you'd be like, oh, one technique. Well, he played at Georgia where they had him three hundred and sixty pound one technique, so he was the three. And his get off at that size it's really good. Like the stats aren't great, but the tape when you see a play where he has the opportunity to hey, we're attacking on this play, you can

get off the ball. Devantae Wyatt at six three, three fifteen has an awesome get off. You know what you mentioned about and you mentioned Matthis from Alabama. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the highest rated one technique over Davis. I know, I know Davis, everybody's That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Davis is really more of a of a two down player. And I bet you that Matthis on people's board is going to be higher than Davis. What do you what

do you think Davis's range is? Because I know, like people are enamored and I'm not trying to like dis his ability as a player, he's great, Okay, Like I wonder how much that rant, like his limitations as a two down guy will affect his draft stock. Is there anybody okay, say, for example, if he's on the board and it's Davis, Dean, it's maybe it's Dean. Is there

any body that you would take him over? Like, okay, say it was say Dean and Lloyd got knocked out of here was one of these corners that would be on the board, one of the safeties that were on the board, one of the wide receivers on the board. I have a lot of people so far that I would take over Jordan Davis. See, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, Trayvon Walker, George Karlofta's seat defensive end.

I could just I mean, I think take my exercise right now is a lot of people are going to ask us about Davis. Yeah, and there's a lot of guys. What I'm trying to tell you is there's a lot of guys at twenty four that we would take over Davis. So I'm straight up think he'll probably be a second round pick if I had to guess right today. And that's I just it's interesting. His his his tag. He to me like Jeff's talking about he said eighteen. He might be that last guy you have in the first round.

If you have nineteen or twenty names in the first round like you traditionally, do you know, he would be the probably the guy with the grade of one one nine, that last guy where one where one two O would be the first player in the second round. He might be the one one nine guy. Is he the most high profile nose tackles since Vita Vea or am I forgetting anybody? No, because everybody else is pretty much three technique and it was Alabama Cats the football team has

those guys. Are all all those Obama guys like your pains and your Allan's, and they're super freaks. They're not even there. They are just monster freaks. I don't even know if you're talking about three fifty sixty pound guys. Basically, if you guys like the Georgia defensive tackles this year, there's one that Georgia that'll be here next year. Yeah, that's eight times better than both of Jaylen Carter's a freak show. Well, let's worry about that. In January, Jaylen Carter.

I trade my first round pick right now and my second round pick it's to Jalen Carter next year. Wow, I'll give up my one in my two turn in the card already. Yes, I love it. Keep in mind that that's coming from Captain trade down. Yeah, that's true. Could I throw one more name out there for Senior Yeah, to Rik Woolen Corner from UTSA and I hate mad people. Yeah. I had a couple of people that tweeted me about him because I have Conference USA, because of the ESPN

stuff and whatever. Yeah, he didn't get to play in the game that I called of UTSA this year, but I watched this tape. They call him Reek the freak six foot four, two hundred and five pounds, switched to cornerback for two seasons and automatically was the best corner in the conference. And that wouldn't really I mean, it's Conference to USA, so there's a limitation there. But he is just a freak of a player, and he's going

to be at the Senior Bowl. I think he could go from being a fourth round guy, fifth round guy to maybe being in the conversation of day like early day two, maybe six, five, six because Dan Quinn. Yeah, Quinn, that's that's kind of what I wanted to bring it up about. Because ty his shoes standing straight up. Let's go. I think playing corner for two seasons, he's better than Nashan Wright is right now then, I mean that's kind

of a bold statement, but me too. Yeah. Two shout at a guy for no reason, and I apologize just now. I have a bad habit of doing this, like because I can't think of a position that's less interesting to the Cowboys. But I do really like Tyler Batty, the Missouri running back. He's he's he's like, he's gonna be a headliner down here, right, I mean he's like, all sec hmm. Maybe give me James Cook. Yeah, James Cook's gonna be him there? Can I pick him? Or Bryan

Robinson from Alabama and Brian Roberts a good player. Ryan Robinson came on real strong. Abraham Smith from Baylor. I've only looked at one. I've only looked at one running back in the Strap so far, and it's Walker from from Michigan State. It's not something that I think you need to worry about. At least, no, I'm going to do because you're gonna have to pull your board together. I'm just interested to see when they But to me, I mean, I you know, if if you could find

the guy that can I can do all three? That's always the trick. You know, can he run block? Can he? You know? Catch? I think in this day and age two, catching is really really really important. You know who is at the Senior Bowl? Who's that Tony Pollard? Mhmm, yeah, So I mean like that it's easy to open. Look, your left guard might be at the Senior Bowl. Who's that at Ingram the LSU guard? Darian Kinnard Kentucky guard.

Your left guard might be at the Senior Bowl. Maybe you're the fourth linebackers at the Senior Bowl, Kway Walker and Channing Tendall, the Georgia guys. How does this? How will that? So you're gonna watch You're gonna have the access to the tape of this later, right, sure? How does this inform what you do later? Like? Do you like, are you gonna circle some of these names that stand out next week and like focus in on those guys?

Oh no, I've already kind of started looking at some of these guys just because I know we were having the show and then Monday or Tuesday, Jeff and I'll come in here while your guys are on the road and have a show hopefully. And we have to know about these guys. Yeah, I think it's important that you know. I just want to get an idea of how they play and then how does that translate to the game, because they might not have a lot of reps, but

if you see them, you know, kind of flash. I guess that's my point is And Bradley and I did this two years ago. Yeah, I mean he was like the MVP the tour up Tarrant Steele. I guess I do not remember Steele being at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, Texas Tech left tackle. It just got destroyed. That's fun. Yeah, But I guess that's my point though, is like whatever happens in this game probably affect your priorities coming out of it, just in terms of like who you want

to look at. I think it always when you play the Senior Bowl and you know that they've been coached by watching the drill, It's not true. Game doesn't matter. That's not true. I mean for our purposes, Yeah, but like the game does matter. Bradley and I jumped out that was the MVP of the Senior Bowl. Win was the MVP of the Senior Bowl. He was on the opposite team of Garrett and them. See, it's we're nagging. Those guys do a great job where like they do

they put these teams. Might coach the Jets if he put some players to their needs, which team needs what would Yeah, he tries to help these coaches out for you know, for coaching the game. Hell, I'm gonna get you a look or two of these guys. You know, I think that's a smart thing. I just realized we're gonna have a chance to hang out with Dan Campbell. Yep,

that's exciting. Yeah, find some kneecap biters. Yeah. Whoever's coaching the national team appears to be the team that would be interested in offensive line because they got Zion Johnson. But that's the Jets. That's the Jets. Salo and company. Yeah, they got the Minnesota Tackle. Two really good head coaches in terms of personalities, but could not be more different, which will be fun. Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't know Robert Salo's personality. He seems kind of reserve.

We're gonna say he seems very low key. I know everything I need to know about Dan. Campbell's gonna have some fun. I love Dan Campbell too. I'm interested to see the contrast in the two practices and see if there's just the way that Yeah, yeah, Campbell's will be more violent. I would imagine so like bowl in the ring and stuff like that, break every rule. I doubt that very much, but we'll see. And that's all the time we have. So yeah, we're gonna well, we'll figure

out what next week's gonna look like. Kyle and I'll be somebody in here. We'll be doing Kyl and I will be in mobile. Brian and Jeff will be here. We'll find a way to make it works. Yeah, we will have plenty of Senior Bowl content and other draft content coming your way next week. Thanks for joining us. We'll talk to y'all next time. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.