Draft Show: Potential Positions Of Interest

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Tiny Jim. We've got one hundred days or so to the draft, but given the way that Cowboys season win feels like we've been waiting for this to start for about one hundred days. Yeah, I think that's where the uh. I think that's where once the the we were cheering for chaos, we got chaos. We didn't get any wins in the chaos, and that's the that's the problem. So, as Jerry Jones said, though you deserve this pick, and uh, you know, we'll be focusing a lot on the Dallas Cowboys.

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to be submitted. If you want to follow David Hellman or DP Brugler, that's great too, feel free, but if you want your question to be answered, make sure you're following at the Draft show and submit it there. So, gentlemen, I'm gonna get right into this. Yeah, I'm gonna make this happen. And Dave, you're starting to do some work with me on watching some tape. Dane has been at this for the majority of the year. I'm about one

hundred players in my self. Once, like I say, the season started going south, I said, better spending my time doing something that was going to mean better things down the road. UM. I want to look at though, these position groups staying and I'll start with you. And as you've dove into this draft is you're full on it. The position groups that maybe might have the most depth.

And I'm not talking about what the Cowboys minding. I'm just saying from a from a standpoint of the guys you've seen, where do you see Maybe I don't want to use the word value but where is there some depth at these positions? So as we get started, we can focus on those positions, and we're seeing a lot of underclassmen come out, which is n's what you said about. Yeah, we're almost to one hundred and we still have three

days until the deadline. Monday is the deadline for these juniors, and we still have a few guys to hear from the Alabama guys. But looking at defensive tackle, to me, going in this is the deepest position. We're gonna have more defensive tackles drafted top fifty than likely any other position. You're looking at it at the top with guys like a Shawan Robinson, Kim Dchi from Mole miss who is a top ten talent in class, might not be a top ten football player, so he's gonna be interesting to watch.

Andrew Billings, the Baylor kids. You're on Reid, I mean you can go on and on Austin Johnson. I know, you really like, there's so many players in this draft at the defensive tackle position, so it's a really interesting spot. And then quarterback, you know we don't have that. We don't have a Jameis Winston this year. We don't have a Marcus Mariotte. If those two were in this draft, I think they would go one and two. Okay, but that doesn't mean there's not a talent a quarterback, right,

And there's a couple of guys at the top. I'm intriguing, guys like Jared Goff Carson Wentz a personal favorite of mine, so him live at the last week YESS Championship. He was impressive and the Cowboys will get a chance to coach him the Senior Bowl coming up. Yeah, and that's as good exposure as you could possibly have to a quarterback, especially one from the FCS level. So the Cowboys have a leg up there. But then also in the middle later rounds, we could see over a dozen quarterbacks draft

this year. We were earlier, guys like Dak prescott Um, you know, Jeff Driscoll, Kevin Hoak, And there's a lot of these quarterbacks that might not be starters, but good death guys you can find in the middle late rounds. Yeah. How about though, Dave. You know, Dane brought up and I agree with him about these defensive tackles. That's when you say that, No, I know it. It's a serious group of defensive tackles. Now, I'm gonna shift it. I hear, I might say, well, it's we'll not have a cowboy

influence here, but I'll give you a cowboy influence. Yeah, I mean, how can you not think about the Cowboys when you hear that? Though, I mean, Dane gave you a lot of names that are potential one techniques, right, Yeah, but the history of the Cowboys say, this team refuses to draft a defensive tackle, like they just won't do it. So I'm I'm very intrigued to hear that. I mean, we've always I mean, they've got their three. Even if you're disappointed with what Tyrone Crawford did with the bumb

shoulder this year. I mean they gave him seven eight million dollars a year. He's your three going forward. Terrell McLean's still here for another year. Trust him, though you can't know. I'm just I'm just kind of set. But you know, we're trying to got me and then a whole lot of I don't know, Nick Nick Aiden's a free agent. Don't feel particularly good about any of the guys that they brought in in that situation. But like I said, I mean, they didn't want Sharif Floyd they

didn't want. Well, they might have drafted Carl Davis last year, but he got taken off their board right at the death. But they just as badly as we've talked about defensive tackle and as many fans have wanted a defensive tacks in the last three or four years, yeah, they won't do it, especially at one technique, which leads me, you know, I'm just having a hard time believing that the Cowboys are going to take a defensive tackle with a top fifty pick. Yeah, there's not one. You there's not one

of those guys you would take it at four. No, no, not. But see that's what I'm saying though. That's where I'm starting to say, now if you if you want to And the second position that Dane brought up was quarterbacks. So we'll get to the quarterback part of it though, but these one time at thirty four, I think, Dane and correct me if I'm wrong. Just looking at the

way some of these grouping ships set up. Again, if you want a receiver, and we didn't, we reladn't touch into receivers, A lot of a lot of people are talking, oh that could the Cowboys go for receiver, though at thirty four you're gonna have a decision to have to make about potentially maybe a corner, maybe a receiver, but the defensive tackle that one technique might be the best

value for if you're a Cowboy fan. That's right in the range that Malcolm Brown went last year, and he's having a pretty strong rookie season for the Patriots, if I recall. Sure, So, yeah, I mean I think that would be great. I think there's a lot of people listening who think that would be great. I mean, if you can think back to the past two or three drafts. But the track record makes me dubious that it would happen.

Might depend on who goes for you know, if they get maybe they want a playmaker at four, and then they'll feel a lot better about taking a one technique at thirty four, Right, So you know with the fourth pick, it's not hard. Yeah, you put there's four your four best players in this draft on your board, You're guaranteed to get one of them, absolutely, And that's what you

should be excited about it. That's what you look like, that's what you look at at the fourth pick, and then you know that's when Thursday's over, you come back on Friday. You have the third pick in the second round as of right now, Um, and if an Austin Johnson from Penn State, I'm liking what he's saying right now,

I'm liking Austin Johnson a lot. We turned we wanted to watch Carl NASSEIV the other night, right and you and you totally just gave up on Carl Nason and was just watching Austin Johnson, Like, yes, this guy is a monster, but he was the type of guy though that And what did you see though from from Austin Johnson, Like, I mean, you don't normally see from the one technique out here a guy getting off blocks and getting into the backfield, which, honestly, I think Nick Hayden is an

underrated player for what he is. That's fair, for what he is that which is not. He doesn't like me too much, you know he doesn't. But he's a He's not a playmaker, but he does his job. I don't think he deserves deserves half the flack that he gets from people, especially I mean, he's not an expensive guy.

He's a role player type of guy. All of that said, I mean this look that would be like a clear upgrade if you had two defensive tackles, can't you capable of doing a little bit more than just taking up space? Which is kind of what Nica and with Austin Johnson. The production matches the tape. I mean, he had seventy eight tackles this year, which is outstanding for a one technique. A guy that's supposed to clog the middle open things up for the rest of the defense. And so I

think you have a mix of power, quickness awareness. My only question is is he going to be there at thirty four? Sure? I mean, he's such a fair talented player, and he will be at the Senior Bowl, right and there's a good chance of cowboys will be coaching him. So I think we could be in a position where he's gonna end up going first round. But if he's there at thirty four, that's a no brainer to me.

That's a hijack. I mean, I know you good. It seems like the Senior Bowl roster is absolutely loaded compared to even is. I mean, like last year, a couple of years ago, it was there were a lot of guys there. I've like last year, I just remember being about Oh, I'm stoked. But I remember last year feeling kind of underwhelmed the about the talent on hand, not that there weren't good players there, but two years ago we got the Za, the Zack Moreack Martin and Donald matchup.

But I mean last like last year, and I mean, granted, he's been a good player for the Packers, but like Quinton Rollins was a guy that we were talking a lot about, Whereas this year you got like four real deal quarterback prospects. Austin Johnson, Yeah, uh, Carson Wentz like there's I mean, there's yeah, you guys gotta be a league. I mean, I'd say there's probably what like six to ten first round caliber players and at the Senior Bowl.

And maybe the biggest thing I'm worried about is we still have a week to go, and this is where we see some guys out. Yeah. I reported last week Connor Cook declined his invitation right on that you won't be in Mobile. So I am worried about. We're gonna see some roster fluctuation here in the next week. Hopefully, you know, we don't take too much of a hit to the Senior Bowl roster, because you're right it's absolutely load and I think the name to watch it's gonna

be a hot name in mobiles. Noah Spense. Yeah, former Ohio state pass rusher, Eastern Kentucky. He has his baggage. But I've done a lot of work on this kid, you know, off the field and on the field. People still still talk really highly about so and and Dane's giving you a little preview next week when we have the draft show on Friday, We're gonna get full on into going through the roster, breaking down both teams tell

you who you need to look at. So stay tuned for that next week though, want to get into Okay, you've talked a little bit, how about this opening a show with one techniques? That's Isn't that crazy? That's what? But that's good though, because that's yeah, that's that's the draft show we're gonna cover. We're talking about We're not gonna go right to quarterbacks. We'll talk about one techniques. Yeah, I would give me here one technique. Let me let me ask you though about a lot of people have

talked about Dane. These receivers, and we'll get to the quarterbacks too. I want to get you know, we'll go plenty of times on three and a half months. Yeah, but that's the great. Yeah, but I just want to get into though, these these wide receivers though a little bit though, you know, and and and and where you know, usually it's one, two, three, maybe first round guys maybe not so much of how you're thinking about in this draft is it is it clearly tread Well, and then

it is everything else. I think tread Well is that clear cut number one guy at the receiver and he's the only guy I see as a lock first rounder, right, And there's a lot of talented players we could see go in the back half around one. Corey Coleman from Baylor, Michael Thomas, Ohio State, Josh Stockson Thomas, Ohio State. A little bit though, yeah, and so we could see him in the back half a round one, But wouldn't shock me if they're both available at the early part of

round two as well. So this is a draft where you can get some talented wide receivers at that thirty fourth pick or that early second round. Will Fuller from Notre Dame. Yeah, he'll run right past you. So there, you know, if we want to address the wide receiver position, Treadwell is going to be really appealing at the fourth pick. Yeah, we talk about we talk about it. Hold on. You know last year Maury Cooper goes top five, right, Is he as good as a Maray Cooper? No, but he's different.

He's not that type of receiver. I think he's better than Kevin White. Was there. You go, who was a seventh pick last year? You go, um, And you know people want to compare him to the draft two years ago with Sammy Watkins, Michael Evans, Beckham. You know that draft class that was his outstanding for wide receivers. You know, you have to look at this guy on his zone

and in this draft he's worth that fourth pick. You can make an argument he's a fourth best player and he's I think the biggest argument might be, is he too similar to Dez Bryant, because that's where you know, you compare their strength, and they're, you know, so similar with the way they attacked the ball, their ball skills, just their physical strength and treadwall. It doesn't even turn

twenty one until June. He's just a very he's a young pup, but he's gonna come in and contribute right away as both a blocker and as his running block. He's outstanding. He's soft spoken off the field. On the field, I loved that more than I liked any of the catches he made. Yeah, he just dominates people. What did you like that Dane said about his personality. I believe the exact quote Dane used was, he's Dez Bryant with an off switch. Yeah, so explain that a little bit there, Scout.

He's uh, you see him on the field, you see him on tape. Yeah, he's just he plays like des Bryant. He plays with that absolutely, that fearlessness play. Yeah, it is the way they attack the ball. And they don't neither have that blazing speed. They're not gonna run the four in a four to three in the forty yard dash, but it doesn't matter if they're covered because they're still open right the way they can attack the ball. But off the field, he's very respectful. Uh, he's a very

soft spoken kid. He's a very family oriented kid. He has a young daughter. Um, So everything I you know I've heard about him and then I've talked to coaches about him is he's a very very reserved personality field. So I think that's where that off on switch right, That's that's good insight. Though you watch that tape and

you went nuts. Your goal, both of you. What I want from you over the next three and a half months is to give me the talk me out of it, because that's where I'm at right I'm not sure I want you to pushing it all in right now, I'm all in. I like, I like Miles Jack and I'm I'm that's another one. I talk. I'm being hyperbolic right now, like I'm kidding around sort of, But no, you're not. He's a monster, He's a beast. He makes the team

immediately better. He secures your passing game. I mean, and hey, whether you draft a quarterback, sign a quarterback, whether Romo plays for two more years or five more years, as happy as you are, that's about that huge security. Imagine Tony's I mean, because that's you have a small window with Tony Romo coming up. Oh sure you go get that target, Go get that guy, forget forget Tony Romo.

Imagine Kellen Moore or Colt McCoy or Johnny Manzell's reaction if they're like, hey, you gotta go play quarterback because Romo's out, But you got Dez in Lakwan. So let's

go get some first downs. Sure, soe me then on is since we talked about some of the one techniques at thirty four, though, sell me on a second round receiver though at the top of it, and you talked about Michael Thomas for a while, I would staying I think he's a first I think he's gonna I think he's definitely gonna be a guy that it's gonna go off the board, you know, before the Cowboys get back around in the second round. But give me a couple

of second round options though. If I don't. If I do, go okay, I go say a dude, go Miles Jack in the first and then I turn aroun round and hit somebody there at thirty four or the top of the second round. If somebody's listening from one of those teams, it's uh, it's with us today. Let's say that treadwill goes early, and then let's say Michael Thomas and Corey Coleman both go in a later half of round one.

So you're looking at Josh Dackson to tcu RD, who you know, unfortunately heard his risk, but he plans on playing in mobile we'll see about that a Senior Bowl. I'm glad he's going though, by the way, I'm glad he's gonna be there. Absolutely, he has a lot to prove. I mean, you look at a TCU offense, limited route tree, he still has a lot to prove. One of my favorite guys this year Farrell Cooper out of South Carolina. Now we're talking, this is to me this year's version

of a Randall Cobb. Yeah. A versatile athlete can beat you in a lot of ways. Uh. He took a lot of direct snaps at South Carolina. But he's also a very reliable wide receiver with his hands as route running way, he can just catch and go. Will Fuller mentioned him, he's he's this year's Devin Smith. That is deep threat. Yeah, is will is a Will Fuller though the take the yeah, like well, he's like to talk about take the top off the defense. Nate Newton loves

to talk about, give me that guy. It takes to is will Fuller. That guy he is absolutely five. He's five to eleven six, so he's almost six foot tall. He's not you don't you watch Notre Dame games. Do you think he's a small guy? He's he's a he's a six foot guy. He's a little lean, but he has some muscle on him. Yeah. The biggest worry with will Fuller is just Philadelphia kid. Yeah, exactly, got some

toughness to him. Just catching the football. I mean, he'll make some tremendous catch you go, but then some easy ones he drops. He just you don't want to see that type of drop rate for a talented receiver that you're talking about the early second round range. But he can stretch the field and even if he's not getting the ball, he's distracting that secondary because of his ability to stretch the field take the top off a defense.

So defenders, defensive coordinators, they have to worry about him. Well, let me let me ask you guys another question though about that and Dave talk about a little bit about the Cowboys this wide receiver situation. You obviously want to draft, Yeah, to make a high, high selection on a receiver you just don't feel good about Well and behind Bryan, I think, and that's I think what makes Treadwell really interesting from the Cowboys perspective is I think he's an immediate upgrade

over the guys that you have behind Dez Bryant. Yeah, I mean, I don't think you could argue that, and but I think the reason it creates conversation with people is because do you really need it? I mean, you got Dez, you got one of the top five or six receivers in the league, and he's under contract for four or five more years. You got Terrence Williams, who obviously inconsistent, obviously disappointing when des was hurt this year, but has shown that pension to make big plays, especially

when he's got Dez with him. And then you've got Cole Beasley, who first of all signed to a decent sized contract and second of all, fills a very specific role that has proven to be successful when Tony Romo's in the game. So I totally get where people are coming from when they say, you know, we don't the Cowboys don't need a wide receiver. I get that. I also get how talented Treadwell is, how much he would

bring to your offense. And when you're up there at the top of the raft, I didn't think you pass on a guy like that. Just limit your mistakes. Yeah, it's the same thing, and I'm sorry to cut you. Oh no, not at all. If it fell that way, I have a hard time believing they wouldn't take Laramie Tunsel for the same reason. Sure, do they need a tackle? No? Is he a beast? Yeah? It's best player? Limit your

mistakes exactly. I'm sorry some key right there. What he's saying is, if you have a top five pick, limit your chance of failure. Would you rather would you rather take a lock at a position you don't really need, or a risk at a position you do need. I know what I think. I'm a big believer and best player available. When you're picking top five to ten, absolutely you have to. Okay, we're gonna take our first break of the day. When we come back, we're gonna get

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or even in the slot. Sure, I mean that I think his best position at the next level is going to be weak side. I think that's where you can best see his abilities in space, his abilities in coverage, and so it is a little bit of a projection moving him inside. What do you think, right, No, I think me, I'm personally I'm gonna try and play him. I just think he's one of those rare players, a dynamic players that you could put him at any position. I think that again, he's gonna put on weight. He's

a physical guy. He understand he can run, he can avoid see at the mic linebacker spot. To me, the problems you have is if you can't run, if you can't get away from block, if you can't if you had He's one of those guys that he doesn't have to take on a lot of blocks, so he's always on the go. I understand the question about because it is it's a little bit of a projection, but it's a light watching. It's it's like watching a guy like these,

these these linebackers here. They draft him with the thought of, hey, you could play any one of the spots, and I think that Miles Jack is that rare of a player and he could play any one of those spots and be outstanding at what he does. Josh Norris was tweeting out vines of him playing running back last night. Yeah, he was like housing sixty six yard touchdown runs. At running he'd be a top fifty pick running back home. I mean he's talent, but he's so he's so good

on the move. I mean it's it's everything is like see gone go get contact balance exactly, acceleration easily to you know, get his top speed quickly. He's special. Keyword contact balance. If he was getting knocked back, if it was one of those things where he was struggling, then I would be Okay, draft Treadwell, draft Tounsil, draft somebody. But but when you watch him, I mean he is a play making guy. And that sidelines and sideline, it's downhill,

it's getting in coverage, never coming off the field. Very similar to what they got to that guy Carolina, that guy that can run up the field, cover people, be disruptive down in the bosom. Yeah, And that's that type of runner, that type of guy that they can go and get those plays. Miles Jack's probably the best linebacker we've seen in coverage as a prospect. Right That's encouraging. Yeah, he might be kind of good. He is kind of a lot of five guy. Yeah, all right, So moving on,

just a very small amount of backstory. Mel Kiper put out his first mock, Yeah, Oregon defensive end. DeForrest Buckner was his mock to the Cowboys, who plays in a three forward Oregon? Which, so Adam wants to know. Not a fan of Kiper's mock overall, but just to entertain the idea Ken DeForrest Buckner play for three defensive end the way Marinelli would want him to. Good. Question at him, Well, if we if he did play in a four to three,

you think he play inside or outside? I think he would play inside and him think he'd be a tackle more than I would. And I'm gonna hate to say this. I think he's a one. Everybody's a one just from that. But I mean, but I don't. Again, that's that's talking about a guy, you know, because we've seen him play with a tall guy. We've seen David Irvin play here and they played him inside where you thought, oh, David Urban is automatically going to play as a as a

defensive end. I think this guy, I wouldn't touch this guy. Because he's a three four defensive end. To me, that's his best position. That's his best position. So again, you know, Kiper put him at four. Again, that's why you should follow Dane's mock draft and the guys at CBS Sports don't worry so much about what's going on on that other station and stuff like that because there's because it's more about the position, right, you know, it's a fit,

Especially when you're picking that early. You want to get a guy that fits. And Buckler is a good player. He became a better pass rusher this year. Yeah, but I just don't like his fit at four, not at four, not at all, and not playing as a What people would say is maybe play him as a defensive end. And in this game, John wants to know and okay when shifting gears surprised we haven't said this name by now, John wants to know what does the secondary look like

if you draft Jalen Ramsey? Can he play strong safety? Does he play cornerback? With Byron Jones at safety, etc. I think Jalen Ramsey can play either safety. Yeah, he can play strong. He played free We saw him do just a little bit of everything at Florida state from corner on the outside in the boundary to you know, a free to a nickel position to a strong. Yeah. We really saw him do everything, and I think he's

a better safety than corner. He will be a corner on some team's boards around the league just because he has that size. He's a world class jumper. There's a lot of things about him you like in terms of projection, and that's why I think he'll be a corner for a lot of teams. But for me, he's a better safety. And so whether he's at free or at strong, I just want him on my team. Yeah, he there there.

I talked to a couple of scouts like Dane does, and one of them, a guy has it sold me, says, I'm selling it in my guys as that Seattle type of corner, that the big, rangy, physical, tall guy. So yeah, he says, But they also the scout told me, he says, Hey, Brian, he's also a damn good safety. So again, you could watch him. I'll tell you where I think he's really good is you put him down in the round in the box area though, and watch him blitz and and

what he deflects passes. He's a long arm exactly. He's a guy. He understands how to get in lanes, how to get his hands up, he understands how to blitz, he understands how to chase, and he's physical enough as a tackler to play down. He was primarily the left corner for Full of Safe this year. That's right. It seemed like last year in twenty fourteen, they had him like doing the Byron Jones thing where he's never in the same that's because the star Star Nickel position where yeah,

he was all over as Bob right. I like his freshman year he was both a corn or inter free safety. So they really moved him over and they they schemed him to his strengths and and that's a good thing. Yeah. I think this guy really I think the pedal of the turn. I think he could do a lot of good things. I like the thought of him being a dimeback like Byron was this year. Yeah. Again, don't let scheme fool you here, because you could play Byron and

this guy interchangeable and it wouldn't be a problem. I mean, it don't feel like one has to be a strong safety and one has to be a free safety. If they go there. At me, personally, I would draft this kid and maybe consider putting Byron as a to try

and help spots. But we've seen in his scheme with Seattle, how if you had the two safeties and you fill the corners, if Scandrick being one of them, and somebody else, maybe somebody else develops with Ramsey, if you were to combine a corner, a safety, and a linebacker and a one procesct, I think he would look something similar to Jaalen Rand. He's that versage. I agree, all right, trying to hit as many as possible. Leonardo wants to know is Shack Lawson in the conversation at four it's a

little early. I think Loss is a darn good a player. I mean, he's we need to find out about the knee. Has a little bit of a NIE sprain his left knee, which kept him out for parts of the Orange Bowl in for the National Championship Game. But when he's healthy, he's a darn good player. He had twenty five and a half tackles for Loss this year. He's only a one year starter, but he came off the bench the last two years. He had finished his career with like

forty six and a half tackles for loss. I mean in the production matches the tape, right, you see him with with this strength to take on blocks, to shed against Ronnie Stanley Notre Dame. That match up was outstanding. Those guys going back with Dave the one we were watching that Dave. But Stanley look really bad, he did. I saw. I think it was Dane actually had him mocked in the top ten and I'm going to the Giants at ten. Yeah, yeah, I thought that's a good call.

I think he's stiwhere in that top field teen range. But to me, he's not one of the top four players in this draft. You're talking about you, you're talking about losson though, right, I'm sorry, I'm in Stanley. Oh no, no, yeah, yeah, Boston, well, Stanley too, he's in that top ten as well, But if we're talking top four, top five, to me, Loston's not He's He's better than Bosa in your mind on your board, right, No, I like Bosa better, No, say

better than Bosa is my number one there defensive end here. Okay, Matt wants to know, is there any chance that Notre Dame linebacker Jalen Smith tumbles into the second round after having knee surgery injured his leg in the Bowl game a couple of weeks week ago. Those of y'all who weren't watching, Yeah, you hate to see that. It was such a good player and a good kid too. He's done everything well, uh started every game at Notre Dame except and then he got hurt in the last possible game.

So you hate to see it, but we won't. No one can answer this question with any certainty until March and April, when the doctors get a chance to look at the knee, look at the rehab. You know House's recovery going and as long as it's on pace, you know it's going well. And he has a chance to play, maybe in the last quarter of his NFL rookie season. I still think he goes in the first round. Well, I think somewhere top thirties. Yeah, he's in good hands.

Doctor Fowler here did the surgery. The Cowboys a team doctor, and he's outstanding, So the kid will be as good as new. Though I agree with Dan, I don't see him. I don't see him falling out of the first round. I think that somebody's gonna maybe red red shirt you know, maybe a red shirt situation or halfway through. I mean, he is a top he would be a top five pick in my opinion, maybe a consideration. Look at it this way. Dante Fowler miss his entire rookie year last

year from Jacks number three pick last year. Right, if you knew going into the draft that he was gonna have to miss his entire year take a red shirt, would he still go first round? I think so. Yeah, And so the same thing with Jalen Smith. I think we'll still see him goes maybe even top twenty. Absolutely fine, Absolutely, Maurice wants to know. And this is fitting because he just declared the other day. Thoughts on Billings, the defensive

tackle out of Baylor. His first name escapes me right now, Andrew Andrew Billings, thank you. Yeah, he was banged up a little bit this year with a with a lower leg injury. But he's so strong and you know he was a he's a weightlifter and that's his first love, and you see that translate to the football field. Um. I have some questions about his instincts, his ball awareness, his backfield vision, but I am very encouraged by just his point point attack strength, his ability to move an

impact as a nose or a one technique. So I think he's gonna be able to help a lot of those teams in the back half a round one. I don't. I don't think we see him still on the board in the early second round. No, I don't think so either, though. I you know, we laugh about the one technique. He's my best one technique and what I've seen and I and I just I think this guy, when you start talking about you know you were you were saying, give me an upfield player, guy that hold the point, Give

me a guy that could get up the field. Give me the guy that plays with bounce, Give me the guy free himself. He's a hard guy to block. He is a hard guy to block one on one, and he and he protects a lot of I mean you, guy like that allows a lot of other people to make plays, and especially something in this scheme right here, if they somehow and I don't think they will. I don't think Dallas ends up with Andrew Billings. I don't think that happens. But my gosh, he would be an

outstanding scheme fit here for what they do. When we talked about him, allowing other you know, his teammates to make plays. Yeah, Andrew Billings still lead the team and tackles for loss. He still loved the team and sacks. So while you're absolutely right he was doing those things, it wasn't Sean Oakman. They getting out the production. That's still Andrew Billings. Yeah, this guy. I mean, I just looking at my notes. I mean you talk about capturing the edge. You know, he gets on these guys and

playing one. Didn't you know, the quick move to get around, get up the field. He's just he's a difficult guy. I was. I was happy for him that you know, I'm sad for Baylor because he's such a great player. I mean, he should have gone back, but he's gonna get drafted the first night. Still took load to the ground, that natural leverage. Too good of a player, Just too

good of a player. Dane. This is interesting to me because you just were talking about how they're different players, and I think that's pretty obvious if you watch them. Nor Lean wants to know, do you think Treadwell is as good as Cooper coming out? I mean entering with no pro experience, entering the draft. Now, you know, if Treadwell is in last year's draft. I still think Cooper probably goes ahead of him, But I don't, you know,

they're they're different types, they win in different ways. Their strengths are different. Cooper is a more you know, he's quicker, exactly, He's gonna separating his routh right, absolutely. Yeah. And with Treadwell, I mean he was productive in the SEC. It tread Well actually did something that no other receiver ever did in the SEC. You talk about all the talented receivers that you know, Mike Evans, Cooper, Beckham, Landry, all these guys.

This year, Treadwell had five straight games with over one hundred yards and at least five catches one touchdown. No other SEC receiver has ever done that, right, But again, his strengths are different, So I would give him ARII Cooper the edge in terms of a better player, but Treadwell is close number two. He would love to have Cooper and Dez Bryant playing together. Yeah, yeah, just because you watch you watch again the route running in Alabama.

To me, it's you know, you always see about Alabama and the ability to run the football and how the backs, but they've developed some receivers they put some guys in and and and Cooper to me is one of those guys when you watched him play routes all over the place. With Treadwell, it's more to me, up the field slants ends, not so much the motion and go and be an option route guy. This is more of a up the field type of a player. And let me ask you,

you might have a better field for this. But the Cowboys, you know, they have the X with Dez, right, they have why yeah, looking at a Z, yeah, you know it. Treadwell is not You're a prototypical Z. But you know, would this staff say, you know what, he's good enough, he's good enough? Yeah? Or they want a guy like a like a Will Fuller who can stretch the field.

See that's the thing, that's the question. It's I mean, it's not you are yeah because you got you got an X. You got an X and really in Dez and you're gonna have an X really and you know, but could you could you do things with I mean, they they're pretty much of I mean, they don't move guys around much. When they moved Dez, they put him in the slot a little bit. But I just think it's too inviting to have a guy that skill set. Keep in mind, to play Terrence fits that skill set

and he's not going anywhere, so you still have that. Yeah, and with another guy, I mean that can only help the argument. What do you guess he's trying to say is would you would you play? Be able to play both of them? That's the that's the question, and I'm all for that. If I'm running this game, I find a way. But one of them can play in the slow But this coaching staff or off the line as yeah, right, this coaching staff. Do you think they'd be comfortable with

a treadwall as a Z? Not your part of protypical Z. But he's still that talented receiver where I don't care. I'm just gonna find a way to give it the ball. Yeah, yeah, absolutely have to be creative with um. As long as you know it's the first show. Last year's draft is still freshen the mind. UM do it again because Kenneth wants to know how Ezekiel Elliott compares to Todd Gurley, the consensus number one running backs from each of the

last two drafts. I mean, we love both these guys, Yeah, I mean we we we gush about Gurly last year. If not for the kneed, you'd be talking about him and he's still went top ten, right, Zeke, I mean what can't he do? Right? I mean he's so well rounded. He's not as special overall as Girly. Yeah, but he's close. I mean, he's not far off. It's just hard to

find weaknesses in his game. Yeah. So let me ask you guys this, And Dave you brought up earlier about minimizing and you said it too as well, minimizing era or mistake. Yeah, you look at a guy like Ezekiel Elliott and Dan just told you he doesn't have many holes. And I totally agree on this. You know how you feel he's one of my top five players. You would take Zeke at four, and I would. You might be alone in that in the world. I might be alone.

I might be And that's okay, you have to consider it. I'm looking at my board, though, I'm looking at my board, and I'm trying to minimize risks. I know, I'm looking at him seeing and a guy who I trust over here, who evaluates players, is telling me that, Hey, not many holes in this guy. Hard to find problems with him.

He catches, he runs, and he blocks, he does all those things, and you put him in a system where he's gonna have a chance to they'll hand him the football and he's gonna have He's gonna be a he would be a very productive back in this jockel because he'd never come off the field. Rookie of the Year, Aaron, Let's go back to last year picking top ten, how many of those teams one through nine would have taken Gurly knowing what we saw this year as a rookie.

If not for Jameis Winston, Todd, Gurley's your offensive rookie of the year. Sure, so you know, would he have gone higher? And last year's draft, if we redrafted, I think he would have had him. I had him over the two quarterbacks. That's me with Zeke. You know, it's it's it's gonna be interesting because you have to think about value in these running backs and where do you take one? And you know, at one point does talent

supersed value at the position? Right? That's I think I think, like I don't know that and I'm not saying anything groundbreaking, but I didn't salary app analysis and analytics. I think factors more into running back than like any other position. And let me just say this though, for what you guys just said, if you don't, if if people don't, especially this group here, doesn't think that Treadwill can play as a Z or that Dez couldn't play as a Z.

Isn't that we talked about? Okay, maybe there's questions about Miles Jack playing a MIC linebacker, maybe there's questions about tread will play in the Z. Are there less questions about Ezekiel Elliott playing running back and not and not and going forward? For some absolutely? Right? I completely hear you. I just worry and I like Elliot a lot, I really do, but taking a running back fourth overall just scares the youd take. You would take Ramsey before you

would take Elliot? Would you? I do? And for this team as much as I love Zeke, I just I'm not taking running back. That I got you, all right? That's but that and you know, welcome to the draft show. It's idol idol fan talk that you can't really speculate about. But yeah, I honestly I would do backflips all the way back to my desk if you told me that they could trade to nine or ten and draft Elliott with that pick. Yeah, add another pick. Okay, we're getting

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This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Showboys, Welcome back to the Draft Show from the SBbc Mortgage Studios. Brian broad Us, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Ken Garrison, executive producer, carrying you for the next fifteen minutes or so. I wanted to get in real quick. Just looking back at the last year's draft, give me two guys, give me one guy you were tremendously right about, and give me

one guy you were tremendously wrong about. Just from this from what you saw this year in the NFL season. Don't have to be a great depth, just kind of well I don't think I've shut up about the one guy that I felt really good out since about Thanksgiving, because he's gonna win Defensive Rookie of the Year. So I mean, Marcus Peters killed it, killed it for the Chiefs.

I mean, I think I remember one of the dominating topics of conversation last year was Peters, Johnson, well corner, but Peter, Peters, Johnson, and Byron absolutely those were the three. And I think we all liked and dislike different things about him, and I think we all agreed that Peters was a good player, but I think we thought that

the character concerns would eventually turn the Cowboys off. Obviously, he went off the board ten hole picks before the Cowboys even picked, so it's not like they passed on him. But I just really liked I liked his style. I liked his the way, you know, the way he played it like this tape, and I liked, you know, what they said about him that was a character concern was that, you know, he got into it with his coaches. I

kind of liked that five greeness too. So he's got eight picks and the Chiefs are still in the playoffs, and I would be stunned if he's not defensive Rookie of the Year. Um. I really liked Tyler Lockett too. Yeah, which again like that's not a who is your wrong? Yeah, we're wrong. I really loved Melvin Gordon. He didn't have such a right here. Yeah I thought Melvin I mean Melvin Gordon, two thousand yard back for the Dallas Cowboys. Dane A guy got wrong or right. He's played a

lot better than my thought. Rob Havnstein yeh Off of the tackle went to the Rams. I started thirteen games. I thought he was stiff. I thought, you know, he could move people in the run game, but in past protection I worried. But he did a nice job this year. Guys that I got right. Um, I think Ali Marpett I loved him coming out, you know at the Senior Bowl. He impressed me so much for a D three kid. He had a good rookie year. Eric Kendricks, the UCLA linebacker.

You just had to look past the measurable. He's not the biggest, not the fastest. That's where you just trust the tape. He just hits everything that moves. Hey, he's had He started double digit games for the Vikings and then Ronald Derby guy gave a late first round grade two for out of Florida State, went to Buffalo and he had over twenty passes defended this year, started all but one game, So I think Ronald Derby really had himself a good year. Yeah, I think, yeah, that was good.

I'll throw one in there, Brian. And in the opposite direction, I thought boy from LSU Denil Hunter was a big kpe like I didn't think he was worth a damn Yeah, goes and get six sacks as a rookie for a playoff team. Yeah, I'm just gonna focus on a guy I thought I was wrong about. I think that, uh and and focusing on running back. I thought Coleman was going to be much better in Atlanta and he got. Yeah, he got. Really he's banged up, but that still I was.

I was thinking that Atlanta, and I was talking with Tommy dimitrof my buddy, and I said, hey, Tommy, nice picked up up up a BA and you know, sure enough, you know there's a season floated on it. Freeman was a much better player, and I really really sold Coleman, and I'm disappointed that he didn't do better. So okay, Kent Garrison, Yes, do we have some calls lined up that we can talk to some folks about. Yeah, Brian, phones are ringing off the hook. Okay, we'll start with

Grant in North Carolina. Okay, Grant before we get going. Everybody's doing well, and if you could just get your question, I would appreciate that, So go ahead, sir. All right, Um, I'm with Dave all the way. I will love to have tread Well. See some people say we don't need a receiver. I think that we do need a receiver. I would like to get tread Well. If not him, I love to have Ramsey. Okay, what do you guys think? Is it possible we can get Carson Wentz in the

second round and Dane? Are there any good receivers coming out of clumps and late? Because I'm loving DeAndre Hopkins, Martavis, Brian, Sammy Watkins. Somebody's coaching some receivers lived there, so if he's somebody late we can get from there. Appreciate it's all you do, guys, Thank you very much for the call. Well, first of all, Clump said, no, he's right. They've been a wide receiver amazingly. Remember that guy he's doing and

whoever's recruiting and who's ever coaching. They got a senior coming out this year at number nineteen, Sharon Peek, a topper crew. Didn't really have that greade of a year or great career coming into this year, but stepped it up, played a little bit better. He's up more of a late round guy, but he'd be the only clumps in receiver this year. But back to his main question with Carson Wentz Ye know, I going into this year, I really liked him. I thought, you know, this is solid

second third round guy. The more you watched him, you're like, okay, maybe early second round Cowboys, that'd be a great fit. And then the more you see and I went and saw him live last week at the FCS Championship game. His first game sends October. I expected to see some rust right the right wrist injury, and he goes out there and looks outstanding. I mean it just the physical tools are there, but also the passing tools you want,

throwing with anticipation, throwing with timing. I still stares down receivers more than you want, but everything's there. I just don't see any way how he lasts the second round. Yeah, I don't either. I just think that there's too many things to work with their You know, his idol is Aaron Rodgers, and there's some times when you watch him a tape where Rogers makes that sideways and he'll kind of sling, kind of sling the ball. Ye, he's got a little bit. You can see he's watched some Green

Bay tape. He watched Rogers. But you can see that, right, he who like it will kind of float and then all of a sudden, his legs, his feet will be one spot in his body be the other. He'll just kind of go, just flick it. And it makes to me I see a souped up version of Alex Smith. That's what I see. A guy that he's a bigger guy than Alex Smith, has a better arm, but the intelligence in the athleticism, that's where I see it. The second read dange, Right, the second read is gonna be

a little bit of a problem for him. I know I'm asking you all to project, but like, all right, so'll a range, Like, give me a range of where twenty to thirty. I think the Senior Bowl is really gonna tell us that, Yeah, you know, and I think we've never we've seen him against one FBS team in his career that I would say, first first game he ever started two years ago. So going up against some FBS talent, you know, the best of the best, getting some pro coaching at the Senior Bowl, Mobile will be

will be big for him. And as long as he doesn't fall in his face, he's gonna go somewhere. I'd say top twenty five, the Texans at twenty two, come on, they can't pass. Get ready, folks, Your Cowboy coaches are coaching him in this Bowl game. This is the definition of irony to me is that the Cowboys, for the first time in a quarter of a century, you have

a pick where you traditionally get a franchise quarterback. But it seems like you feel a lot better about picking these quarterbacks in the twelve example where the Cowboys are usually picked. Okay, kit, what do we got? All right? Trey and Georgetown? Trey You're on? Hey, you guys speaking on Carson once. Matt Miller just let out a scouting notebook where he had Carson Wentz in top ten. Okay, on that, and my question is, um, I'm gonna talk about the Senior Bowl this year. I know y'all are too.

Here's some players I'm excited about watching. I want to see you if you think you can make it tick the Cowboys team and what do you think about him? Okay, Eric Stryker, Kars Dixon, Nick Martin, William Jackson the third and Jeremy Cash. Okay, thank you much for a call. Did you get them all? I think with it was couple with Striker. Williams was one of the guys too.

It's the quarter from Houston, right right, the big guy, the typest corner Seattle is gonna exactly um and he led the nation and passes defended that you get like twenty seven, ungodly number. He plays well. Eric Striker is really interesting to me because what's his position? Where does he play? Where? Where will the teams line them up during Senior Bowl practices. I think that'll be interesting to watch because he's not really big enough to be a

defensive end or like a three four pass rusher. But can he hold up in reverse, you know, being a more traditional week side linebacker strong side? Sure, I just don't know where to play him, and so because of that, I think he's more of a fourth round type of guy, not the top one hundred, but you see the burst you see you know he's an athlete. So the Senior Bowl will be big feric striker. Yeah. It usually is again with a pro coach and they'll they'll figure out

a spot form. I'll answer the question about Dixon. I don't know the Senior Bowl. Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what. I like this kid a lot. I really do. I think that, you know, just looking at my notes here, he can make people miss. He's explosive, he's got stop start quickness, he's hard to tackle, he's he's got division to see holes. He's runs tough, he fights to finish

plays with balance. I mean, these are all things that I saw this kid and he and at five ten, two twelve, you know what, he's a tough kid when you watch him play. He's in that mix. There's a lot of these guys that who's gonna be a second round, Who's gonna be a third Maybe the group might not be as good and right now is what we think is what last year's group was. But I think they've got some guys in there, Dixon being one of those guys. Value Where where do you see his value. I had

him in the third round. I had him in third round the Cowboys early third rounder. Is that is that too high for him or no? I you know what, if I'm gonna put him in the third round, I'm gonna take him in the third round. I'm talking top seventy pick. Yeah. I like him that way. I do. I will have my eye on him because running back is the easiest position for an idiot like me to watch, and I'm obsessed. I mean, it's the easiest position for a rookie to come in and contribute on. I think so,

especially Himmer, Booker, maybe him or Booker from Utah. I'm a Booker fan. See. I like Booker here. He will not be at the Senior Bowl. See, but that's what I'm saying. I think Booker goes I think Booker goes before. That's why I would say I would take Booker before. And I'm talking about Booker out there from Utah. Book he's dealing with the knee right now, missed the last few games. I won't play at the Senior Bowl because

of that knee. You watched him a little bit that you just run, dude, yes, run like don't dance, that's what they would say. They don't dance, just run. No, he he wants to be a home run threat. I mean that's and one or more guy that he mentioned, Jeremy Cash. Yeah. To me, this year's Dion Buchanan exactly. That physical safety is a formeral house state guy. Uh went to Duke. He was last three years over one hundred yards each season, hundred tackles. Yeah, um, this guy

can do it all. Yes, tackles safety in the draft, Yeah, absolutely, I agree with that. Tackles for loss, it's all there. Yeah, all right. I hope I hope that these rosters hold up because I mean it sounds like this is going to be about as good as a Senior Bowl roster could. They've had it in the last few years. I can't got another one. Yeah, Camaro, Cowboy Barry in Treeport, Berry,

what's up? Hey, guys, how ya doing? Uh? Listen? I know the Cowboys fans might be leery of cornerbacks coming from mele issue, but I was just curious to know where UH might go in the draft, and also why don't they have a Junior Bowl UH where we can see these guys too, and and being coached up life yet, OK, talk he had to come out. Yeah, let something happen. He has not declared, so he Kendall Beck with which

selfishly as an LSU fans stay right where you are. Yeah, exactly exactly, But they have that new defensive coordinator trying to Yeah, Dave rand is coming down from Wisconsin anyway. Um, he's a freak athlete. He's he's very close with Mo claiborne. Sure, that's not what Cowboy fans want to hear. Yeah, I thought he was a little disappointing this season. Uh. I mean the way he played his first two years and how lockdown he was. He didn't seem to be that

automatic guy. I haven't gone back and watching the tape. This is just me sure, semi drunkenly watching LSU football. We know that happens quite a bit. Um, But I mean he's a he's a freak athlete for sure, and he doubles us. He's a return man too. Yeah. Dane talks about his size five to eleven one, you know, almost sixte ninety one in the street. Good length, yeah,

good length, four four eight on your speed. I think to me, you know, going back and watched him play I thought he was a quick footed guy for somebody that that that range, and I thought he was able to spin and help and coverage, maintain position. Uh you know, zone can play off to and cover, turn and run. I mean these are all things played some of the slot too loose looking at my notes. So yeah, I'd like to see him go back. I think he could

really benefit from another player do it. Um, they just get more technically sound with his feet, with the way he plays the ball. Um. And then you know the other question he asked about the Junior Bowl. Yeah, really, the NFL doesn't want to promote juniors coming out. They don't want to give us through some juniors that are playing and explain how they're playing. Right there, we will

have a few red shirt juniors. If you are a red shirt junior and you have graduated before January this month, then you are eligible for the Senior Bowl, and we will see a few down there. Tavis Paliohu States safety Glenn Gronkowski, the full back from Kandas State, Rob's little brother. And then Noah Spence I mentioned earlier he from Eastern Kentuck at Church Junior. But for the most part, you know this number for the underclassmen coming out is almost

triple digits. Yeah, NFL wants to get that number down, and they're doing and they're doing everything they can to try to get that number down. With the grades they give back to these guys to see their first round, second round, or go back to school. Each school can only have five submit their grades. So what Ohio State had nine commit or nine come out, nine come out exactly, They're gonna have probably fourteen kids drafted, which will show record at one and that kind of Obviously the NFL

is not trying to promote that. But the other thing, if you're going pro as a junior, most of these Senior Bowl guys have something to prove, not all of them, but I mean, like Carson Wentz, I mean he's an FCS guy. He wants to prove that he can play against the best guys who have something to gain by doing this. I mean even I mean people like Dane and you knew who he was, but Zack Martin was not a household name. He went to the Senior Bowl,

so you have that to gain. A junior who knows he's good enough to go pro has nothing to gain from doing that. Really, only stuff to lose by getting hurt. Yeah, that would be my guest. And the red shirt thing, it makes a lot of sense because it's not their fault they were red shirted. You know, if they're already graduated in three and a half years and you know, ready to move on, then they shouldn't be penalized for that.

So I'm glad that Phil Savage and you know, his staff were able to do that and they keep an eye off for these red shirt juniors. It's ironic to me though that I think maybe the NFL wants to keep the number of juniors down. But with the way the CBA is right now, that's it exactly. I mean, it's all about that second contract us. I remember, even as recently as like eight years ago, it was like, if you're not a first or second round pick, you really probably should stay. But now it's like, screw it,

get me my fourth round pick. I'll take my one point five million signing bonus and my seven hundred thousand dollars salary. I'll start playing earlier, and I'll be ready for my second contract earlier. There's there's no reason to stay, all right, can't We got one more call? We got one more Sam and san Antonio. Sam, you're on the

draft show. I really wanted to ask. I mean, I want to first preface my comment by saying that I really do like Cowboys need to go ahead and take advantage of this opportunity and draft a quarterback with the first pick. Now, I understand, you know, based on your on the way things though, who knows what they what

they're feeling is on that. But um, if they decided to go in a different direction, uh, and they weren't too enamored with the quarterbacks at that position, what do you guys think about how far back if they were in the trade back scenario, how what's the furthest back you think they should go in and h and do you think that would be a worthwhile endeavor? Okay, thank you very much for the call. Sam. I like and we're gonna get into this for another day. I like

I like Lynch. I like Lynch the quarterback from Memphis, And I know you like golf and I David has got to see both of them playing. We'll get that squared up for him. But it depends on you know. I have a feeling and just for the Cowboys, I have a feeling that they'll probably like Golf better than Lynch. If I had to guess, yeah, if I just had the guests, i'd agree, and you know it's better well you know, I mean, people have their opinions on guys. I'm okay with that, and I don't have a problem.

I don't. I don't think I think you know, I worked with with Jeff Kavanaugh and those guys he's got. It is a huge gap. I don't think it's a huge gap between these two guys. Let me ask you us, how many quarterbacks in this draft do you see as future NFL starters? I mean we, okay, we you think Golf and Lynch, you think Wentz, which but Cook you think he's a future NFL starter? See, I think he is. I think he is too. I think he's a low ceiling. Yeah, but I think the Penn State guy has got a

shot that he's the wild card. I think Hackenburg is the wild card in this Uh. You see the talent, but he's just such a mess. He needs so much work. Um. I think it's more of a question is you know, when will he be able to start? When can he see starting reps? But you know, if you're not gonna draft a quarterback at four? Can you? Can you wait? Or where? If these quarterbacks are wild cards this year? I think he felt really good about Winston Mariota one

one and two last year. This year with these quarterbacks, I don't know who just made my argument for me? Yeah, why are you taking a risk on a guy like that? I will say to the To the caller's point, though, Sam's Sam is he's very very intriguing. Though, when you get into the top five like this, I mean you remember the RG three trade. Some crazy stuff could happen if somebody decides they need to get absolutely and and so and Another thing though, is, but let's not window

dress our board here. If golf is golf, why don't we say say golf, it's golf, golf golf. If you if he's well done, if he's the if he's your highest rated guy on your board at four, and he's still there taking we need to do like five shows just on quarterbacks. We did probably, so we'll put this one in the can. How about the half for sure? Hey, thanks everybody out there for joining us, and thank you for helping us to get through the show with your

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