Draft Show: Players Worth Trading Up For?

you forgetting that it's happening here. Yeah, you know, like we do this anyway, but yeah, it's happening right down the road. It is very exciting that we will have the draft here at at and T Stadium. Looking forward to that. We will be here at the Star all three of those days, uh, covering it for you. So yeah, it is upon us. Next Tuesday, this group will be in Indianapolis for the Combine, so looking forward to that

as well. Stories from the combine. You know, get a chance to visit with players, general managers, coaches, We'll hear all the rumors, speculation, try and get a little bit better idea of what's going on coming up with this draft, and then we will hit into some pro days I'm planning on going the University of Alabama myself and checking

that out, so we'll be involved with all those. As the Big Boys guy said, it's Brian Brows here with Dane Brugler, David Hellman, K Garrison executive producing from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. We did a show Boys earlier there where we traded back and decided where we would like to potentially land this thing. Pick some players, maybe pick up some some picks along the way. We were thinking

about top one hundred picks. That's we determined though that we weren't going to take a a offensive guard or an offensive lineman unless we got a third round pick out of that. Am I correct about that? That was me? Yeah, I am not a favor in favor of drafting a offensive linement unless it's Quittin Nelson top twenty in this draft. But that's just me. Um, there could be a scenario where that's all that's left for the Cowboys at nineteen. Yeah, but if you can trade back pick up a third

I feel a lot better about it. Yeah. I tend to agree with you on that. I mean, I'll be interested to see what happens with this. Uh, you know with the guard spot, you know, will they in fact do they like these guards enough? I mean, we've talked about that. You're a little bit of mercy of the board where they're at at nineteen. If it in fact is a guard, there is he better than a defensive tackle or a safety, or a corner or a wide receiver.

So we'll see. I want to get to the bottom of that too, about and that's one of my plans at the combine to try and get an idea, you know, the one technique, where is that going to fall? Where is the guard going to fall? On this board? Are they like these guys as much as we like these guys? That's what I'm gonna trying to determine. And I think that'll tell us what direction this thing might go at nineteen.

But to this point, though, I want to ask you guys, as we get going on the show, are there players in this draft that you're willing to trade up four? Are there? Guys? And again there too, And I'm gonna take this thing all the way up to Tampa Base pick at seven, if I could, you know, that's how far I think they're getting bold. I'm getting bold. I'm

getting gonna get bold there now. I think when you get to the six, when you get to the Jets, you're starting to talk about next year's ones and things like that. And that's for another discussion. By the way, I want to have a discussion with you guys. We just had it up in the office. You don't want to just bring it here. Oh no, I want to. I'm gonna have this discussion. Okay, I'm gonna have this discussion about next year's ones because I sense that you

guys are not interested in moving next year's one. Never not this year. No, no, but but I wouldn't say but you guys. You guys were basically telling me though, you wouldn't move next year's one unless it was for a quarterback. And then I reminded you about guys like Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald. We take last year, like Myles Garrett is a player that Miles Garrett. Yeah, there you go, that's a player that I would consider. Like it's just

say Myles Garrett was in this draft. I would consider using next year's one to trade up to get Miles Garrett. There's no question I would consider it. Would I pull the trigger that? So Aaron Donald that that didn't interest Aaron Donald. Have an Aaron Donald on your team for next year's one didn't interest you? Obviously it's interesting, but hindsight, I'm just telling you though, you guys kind of flatly

said it was nothing but quarterback or nothing. I just don't know if the risk is worth the reward, especially because you don't have the benefit of Where did you have Aaron Donald on your board? Gosh, I don't remember. Was he a top five? No? I wasn't as high on him as I should have been. I mean I think somewhere in the eight to Okay, most people fell where he should have. Okay, I'll give you bad. I'll give you my bad example. Where'd you have Joey Bosa?

Hi top five? Three? Ramsey he was that top five that year was ridiculous with Zeke. The top five or the number one player to me was Laramy Tunsel and then I think it was Ramsey, Bosa, Zeke, Miles Jack. So yeah, I mean that that Trapp is ridiculous on the top five. So we wouldn't give up our if we're evaluating these guys and he's a top five player for you, all those guys you mentioned were top five players, right, but we wouldn't give up next year's one for a

top five player. It just depends because and I'm not saying it's a hindsight deal. I'm saying if you evaluate because but what's very evident to me is you've evaluated the position correctly, or you've evaluated the players correctly. What you need to do is look at the player on your respective team and try to decide, Okay, how many more you know? You're here in baseball, you're here the term wins above replacement. You know, how many wins is

this player? Okay? You kind of have to do that with this discussion about if you're in a trade up for this player, does he help you win more football games? And how significant of an increase in the win loss record can he be so a player, especially at a premium position like a pass rushers Garrett Khalil Mack Joey Bosa, to me, the second most important position on your roster, that is a position that you absolutely should consider trading

up for if you think he's an elite player. Yeah, so, which and I'll make the point I made upstairs, which you know, going back to twenty ten, a six of the cowboys last eight first round picks are either Pro Bowl players, if not all pro players. It's going from Dez Bryant to well Taco. We'll see how that pans out. But right now, in a spam where you can fairly evaluate them, Mo and Buyer and Early, the one guy

you traded up for, Ah, good point, Brian. The one guy you traded up for is the one that didn't pay out. So this is a front office. I'm being fair here. This is a front office that's hitting something like eighty five percent on its first round picks in

terms of finding guys. So would you rather, I'm saying in general, rather, would you rather have like two Pro Bowl caliber players or one Aaron Donald type player assuming that it pans out, Assuming that it does, which you can never guarantee, just a high risk, higher reward It is. Oh no, the whole thing I verse when I'm giving you guys credit for identifying Khalil Mack, Ramsey, Bosa, Aaron Donald, I'm giving you guys credit for that. They're definitely players

that are good enough to justify it. Let's bring it back to this, Drake. But I just I heard upstairs you guys say I would only do it for a quarterback. That is where it makes the most sense because really, like, look what's the bus factor on those Cats? Of course, but look what Deshaun Watson can do for your team. I mean obviously before you got hurt, but Carson Wentz. Yeah, it's another one. Yeah, I mean, you go, that's right, wins Is. Wins has been so good that I on Moost.

I mean, he was not terrible for the fact that he was a rookie, but the word so good was just he was playing at an MVP level before he got hurt this year. Like, sure, I don't. But my point is I forget sometimes that the Eagles even made that move, but they did. You're right, trading a future one to go get him? Yeah, anyone in this draft that you would trade a one to go get Nelson, You would trade next year's one to go get him, just in a vacuum or for this team. He's he's

one of my he's one of my top three players. Nelson. Okay, oh man, do you think he would Going back to what I was saying about, I think, you know, and again I'm just saying one of my top three players, and he fits and he fits, he fits perfectly what the Cowboys need. I'm taking the Cowboys out of the equation. Nelson, to me is a guy that's going to play twelve fifteen years in this league. Agree easily, easily. The way

he plays, his demeanor is tough. From this. You know, you talk about the run that Zack Martin's been on. This kid's going to be on a similar run. But you're giving up I mean, that's him, Taco to go get him. No, not so you would have draft. Okay, I'm giving up. I'm giving up. I'm giving up Hurst to go get him. You're giving up first and you're

giving up Hurst and some kid some other badass. Then next year you're gonna be like, oh, if only we had a pick so we could get Devin White or well, I'm okay, if you if you're focus in on this team, and how much of a difference would Nelson make on this team right now? He would help. But I don't think going back to what I was saying about wins above replacement and how many wins is he helping up, like, I don't think Nelson is going to move. It's not

worth about two or three extra wins. Dane. Dane is smarter than me. That's and that's why it makes sense to do it. That's why it makes sense to do it for a quarterback because no other position affects your wins and losses more. Nelson's the best player in this draft, but I don't think he's good for two or three more win How many? How many more wins? Better does

he make this team? If you don't, I'm I mean, let's say they do a bad job of fixing the defense or or upgrading the defense, and they don't really change the suck a wide receiver. How much better does he make the team? Oh? He makes his team a lot bet or offensively, he does. He absolutely does. Sore he wins. That's what I'm saying. You go from a nine win team to twelve winks. I don't think. I don't.

I don't think you're right. Not an offensive guard on this team, because the offensive line, as if everyone's healthy, is what's the strength of this team? You say, the offensive line? When when this when they win thirteen games, what was the strength of this team? The offensive line? Yeah, yeah, let's not forget that. Bois. They were firing on a lot of others. You don't have to do. What would Bosa have done for this team? He would have helped

stain Bosa Ramsey. Well, and that's what I'm saying. If Myles Garrett was in this draft, that's a name I would consider trading up for. He's the only one you sound like you would be trading up for. Can we just well, can we just call it what it is? This is kind of a weak draft. Yah. Yeah, they're not ten true top ten players. This isn't this isn't a blue chip draft. Okay, So you're telling me there's nobody Okay, So I can't get you to move up? Okay, obviously I can't get you to move up to the

Jets at six. No, I can't get you. It takes a future one. Okay. And then so kick Tampa out of the mix. If you're looking at a two, three and a four potentially, right, Well, I mean let's let's talk about players. Well, no, we're going You guys just told me there's nobody worth trading up for. Who are you trying to get? No? I was, I was. That's my question to you, guys. That's and that's my point is there's not very many guys are saying, this is

just draft stinks. There aren't it doesn't no draft stinks. There's always good players in it. What did you just say, it's a bad week compared to years ago. It is not that plain to him that scouts every time they hear that it's a weak draft, go do your job, Go find some players. No, that's not true. Like you can go back and trade. If you can go back and chart these things, Brian, you can go look at twenty eleven when like half of the first round is

Pro bowlers and you can ain't buying a word. You're saying, oh, look I can pull up the twenty thirteen first round for you. I don't in this draft. I don't think you have to trade up into the top ten to get a difference maker like I think you can still get one of the teams. What is this thought about that draft? This draft is not good? Well it's it's it's a good draft. It's just not it's not top heavy.

We don't have the see that bothers me when people say that three of the top fifteen picks in twenty three. Do your job, reach the po will be good at your job. You'll find some players. If bad thing to say that's a poor scout excuse. I disagree. It's not an excuse to say that. It is an excuse. No, it's not to say that other drafts were stronger at that. It's not an excuse to say that some drafts have better talent at the top. That's not an excuse, that's

just a fact. But it's an excuse to say that, Oh, yeah, we're just gonna throw up our hands and say, oh, it's not a good draft. No, that's not Sorry, we're saying we're not going to trade up and get rid of assets to get Why because you want a draft? Because I don't want to get rid of my picks to get a player that's probably not worth it. Oh it's a bad draft, though, Dave. It's a draft where I'm not trying to make much, go get the best player.

Then you're you're you're not baiting me right now. It's not gonna work. What the odds that I'm going to trade up and get a guy that's worth getting rid of future picks instead of just staying where I am. Did you tell me or maybe back did he tell me that it's it's it's not a top heavy draft, the one to go get the best player. How do you feel it's not a top heavy How do you feel about your top ten in this draft as opposed to twenty sixteen. Oh, I you're right that part of it.

You're right, But I'm just saying, okay with one, am I taking crazy pills? No? No, But but you're saying though it's overall it's not a good draft, and you but you're only saying it's only because of one part. We're talking about the first round here. We're not talking about rounds one to seven. That's conversation. Should say that the conversation, it was implied that we're talking about the

first round picks. That was implied. Yeah, I mean like this isn't this draft class has plenty of strengths at certain positions. I think there's great value second third round, which goes to the overall point about being reluctant to trade those picks because I think the strength of this draft is on Day two and there are because there aren't those blue trippers at the top, there aren't those true difference makers. Again, I love quentnin Nelson. He's the

best player in this draft. I don't think he's a difference maker for this team. I think it'd be an awesome addition. He'd be a heck of a guy that you know put out there. I don't think he's worth two or three wins. Who is worth two or three wins in this draft in the top of the of the board. I'm not sure there is one for this team. For other teams, maybe maybe Quentin Nelson is for another team, but I don't think for this team. Se Quon Barkley

maybe for another team. I don't not for this team. Obviously. With Zeke the guy I keep coming back to, there's two guys I keep coming back to, Calvin Ridley and Roquan Smith. Those are two guys who I think can make an immediate impact and be a core player on the roster moving forward. Let me ask you a question, how okay, say they draft Key? You like Calvin? Really? Right? I damn my wide receiver? I do, But I don't know if I would trade up for him. Well, let's

just say. Let's just say that he's on this team, that he's their first round pick. Either he lasted nineteen to the trade of for him. How long before he is the number one wide receiver on this team, not like the role number one, but the most talented wide receiver on this team. It's Dens Bryant still on this team. Yes, I think within because we look at receivers all the time and say it's probably takes two three years before

they even you've done the evaluation. Yeah, Calvin, really specifically, how long? See, we made the mistake of trading up for a wider. We're trading for two ones for Joey Galloway. You know there's there's your mis evaluation right there. Okay, what's your best factor on these wide receivers? Now? See, I'm not if you guys are telling me, See, the one thing I'm trying to trade up for is a guard who I know can play. You know that's what I would do. You guys are trying to trade up

for for risk players. I'm not Okay. Would you rather have Witt Wilson or Isaiah Win and next year's one? I'd rather have Quintin Nielson, Okay, I'd rather have Win. Like again, if you insert Win at left guard, I don't think we over evaluate and win. No, I don't think so. Look, and Nelson is the number one player in this draft that doesn't mean that he is going to win you x amount of games more than if win again. And it's we're talking about the Cowboys, right

but their roster, their situation, their depth chart. And I'm going back to the question I asked you before because I want an answer on Calvin Ridley. If he's on this team, how long before he is the best receiver on this team? Two years? It's a long time. Two years. See, I think at some point in his rookie season he'd be the best receiver on this team. There we go, not immediate. I'm not saying from training So I like Calvin Ridley a lot, but I don't see like more

Ridley better who you like? I mean, I love DJ Moore. I don't know that. I don't know that he's any better. And part of the reason that I love DJ Moore is like the value because I don't think you have to take him at nineteen And do I know that he lasts still fifty? Probably not. But I don't see Calvin. I don't I don't see the win above replacements for Calvin Ridley being that disgusting to be honest with, No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, how long before

you think he's the best receiver on this team. I don't think it would be during his rookie season. I don't either. Okay, Okay, let me ask you this. Tell me what you said about Smith about his he's I hear, he's not for everybody, size limitations, real que Yeah yeah. And if I'm we're trading up for that, okay, well trust the evaluation. And if I'm the Cowboys, I'm hoping

he comes in at six o two to twenty three. Yeah, two twenty three, runs four seven six, sure not you know, not great average, But see he's not, as you said, he's not for everybody, right, he might not be known. I mean, we don't know how eighteen teams that pick in front of the Cowboys. You're gonna think how they're going to look at Roquan Smith. And would you give a second round pick for him? Would you go to

Cincinnati at twelve and give a second round pick? Now you're talking about things that I would do, and I said, off the that'd be tough to not do. Okay, I would, Okay, if if I had, if I had to give a second who are you going to give a second round pick for Ridley or Smith. Roquan's higher on my board, and so I would I would go and get Roquan. Now you're talking about things I'm more willing to do. All right, let me put it on this scenario. What

would you rather do? Trade nineteen and a two to go up and get Roquan or nineteen and a three to go up, Say to fifteen and get Calvin Ridley. I think I'd rather have the linebacker, even for the higher cost. If you told me we're not going to pick at fifty, but we got Roquan, Say you what though, I'm trying to help my quarterback. Yeah, no, there's that's a thing, you know. And if if if if if Smith's not for everybody you know, and I'm I'm I'm

a Smith fan. Okay, let me ask you this. Okay, Edmonds is not as high on your list, and right I's like twelve, I'm not as high as on Edmunds as everyone else. Oh, may ask this. Would you give Would you go to Cincinnati at twelve give the two to get Smith or would you go to Arizona at fifteen and give up a third and get Edmonds? For this team, I'd go and get the higher player on

my board, Roque, I like Edmonds a lot. I just think there's going to be I don't think he's gonna help you as much as a rookie as what you're hoping, especially for this team. It's a win now team. Do you think Ridley really helps you that much as first year? You said through halfway through the first year, he's your best receiver. Yeah. I don't know about halfway, but I think at some point during his rookie year I think he you could look at him as the best receiver

on the team. Can you get him? Can we get him for green Bay's pick? For we give a third and a fourth to go get him at fourteen? Are we willing to do that? I think I'd be looking at fifteen in Arizona. So so so let me let's determine here we're not willing to give it. Well, okay, take that back, we are willing to give up the second at Cincinnati at twelve. I like how you're keep using Cincinnati, who like notoriously doesn't trade. I'm just trying to get him to trade that. I know, but okay,

I'll do this. Miami eleven, Miami eleven, same thing if it's for a player that I feel great about. Like, I mean, the guy I said was Derwin James. Like, if you told me I could get Derwin James, throw him in the mix, Drwin James at eleven, if you told me, I could do that and give up the second. So I get Derwin James and then I pick in the third. I could live with that Smith Smith or James for the eleventh or twelfth, that's both the second round pick. I give me Smith. I use a better player.

I think. I think James just has so much upside and also you could put him on the field quicker knock on wood assuming Jalen Smith and Shaun Lee are healthy this year. I mean ideally, I'm learning at Edmonds is clearly out of the picture here in an ideal scenario. Vita Vea come in here anywhere. Not for me. No, I'm not trading up for a dtack. Okay, we're cool because we know the defensive tackle. It's got a pretty pretty good depth. Yeah, with the one techniques in this draft. Yeah,

let's let hey, let's ride it. It's you see it. Yeah, there you go. I think this is a really good discussion, though, because of all the positions, and if you go back to last week's show when we talked about all the positions like linebacker and safety are ones at least where I don't feel good about addressing that position in a meaningful way outside of maybe the first round. Are meant to feel that way about wide receivers, don't we we

feel good about wide receivers. And no opposite, No, no no, no, no no, I'm just thinking in my mind that I was just not not not in that way. I'm sorry. What you're saying it is absolutely crat. I was just in my mind thinking about wide receivers with the defensive

tackle that the depth. I'm sorry. I was just thinking of fact, like, yeah, I'm I like Calvin Ridley as a player, right, but with you like others more, with all the glar guys like that, Right, with all the guys that are back there, there's other wide receivers you can add that are good. You like, you're not screwed if you don't add Calvin Ridley to this team, right, Yeah, there's plenty of talent wide receiver in the draft. Plenty of talent. Give me the top three guys you trade up,

then out of our discussion. Who we determined, well, I mean we have to eliminate guys like Bradley Chubb and yeah we're we're we're not take those guys out. We're not gonna go We're not gonna dance up there. Realistically, I think Roquan for me would be the top guy. Okay, um and then Bridley Okay, I'd say Roquan, Edmunds James Can I throw in like? Can I throw in an edge rusher like? Or have we just writing that off? I knowe Chubbs maybe not an option? Who you the Davenport?

I don't think I h huh, I don't know. If they love him? Boy, would that be? There's now there's your Did you feel like you evaluated him correctly? I would not be trading up Marcus Davenport now, not for this team. So you would fight me in the draft room if I got on the phone and tried to do that. Yeah, he's there's a lot of you do that, Taco Charlton to him, meaning year one, you're not seeing how I'm just seeing where he's at. I love Marcus Davenport. I think he's gonna be a very good player in

this league. But you know he's not gonna help you in a big way in year one. That's an upside pick, just asking. I'll tell you what. I think. We've got some names, so we're willing to go do well. I think Derwin James is an interesting one because I agree about ro Quan Smith. I think we all agree on ro Quan Edmonds is debatable. Yeah, Derwin James. That's and a part of that is the lack of depth that's

safety this year. That's the thing that scares me. But sounds like my scouting buddies here that we're willing to go somewhere between eleven and twelve for a big time player, eleven and fifteen, eleven, twelve and and and maybe maybe at fifteen we're trying to go get Is James our targeted fifteen games? Be there at fifteen? That's I don't know. I saw your mock. I believe he was seventeen to Baltimore Chargers, Oh Chargers. I'm sorry, my bad Derwin James.

Such a wild carse Baltimore. He's a better athlete than football player. We say at every single show. Who that's going to be evaluated differently by every team. Every team's gonna see the upside, but it's gonna be another thing to actually write the name down on the card and turn it in, because he is again just upside pick. Yeah. So I like James he go top ten. Yeah, I don't think any of us would be shocked if if he does that. That it'll be interesting to see. But

I like what we're saying. I like what I'm saying here from you guys. At least you'd give up the second to go to either the Dolphins at eleven or Cincinnati at twelve. I think about it. I'm not really just say oh no, no, you guys are in huh. I would yeah, I think the two two areas that'd look I'd give up a second to go up and get Roquan, and I'd give up a third to go and get Ridley. That's just me, okay, so the third,

the third would be Arizona. So our two points somewhere between twelve and fifteen is where this team should look to trade. But we've talked about the players. It's quality players there, quality players, And I think that's that you're

hoping that we see three quarterbacks top ten. You're hoping we see four quarterbacks top eleven, top twelve, right, Because if that's the case, then all of a sudden, those picks twelve, thirteen, fourteen are looking a lot better and you might have a chance to maybe give a third and fourth to go and you don't think you can hold on that too. Yeah, you have those compensatories too. We're gonna get without being march One more thing. As we did this exercise, did you feel better about going

up are going back? Oh? That's a good question. That is a good question at the end of the day. I mean, I feel better about the caliber of player you can get going up, but I want picks. So it's such a risky proposition because when you trade up, you know here we getting exactly you're trading up for a specific player. You know who you're getting. If you trade back, there's some I mean, just like there's risk trading up, there's risk trading back because you don't know

who's going to be vail. If the Cowboys go from nineteen to twenty six, right, you don't know who's there. And by the way, if you go to Atlanta at twenty six, aggressive team Tommy dimitrof my buddy, that's a third and a fifth you're getting out of that. Well, just as a hypothetical, if you told me, I could trade up for Roquan Smith and use and lose a pick, or I could trade back and let's just say it's

Isaiah Win and gain two more picks. I'll do that and not like, knowing full well that Win is a lesser player and maybe not even a guy Dane wants to draft in the first round. But oh no, if you if you dangle that third, he's in. Yes, but it's the third and a fifth. Again, the third isn't a top seventy five pick the Falcon's third rounders, No seven, Oh no, no, it's HiT's yeah, you're looking. Yeah, so that I don't have a firm answer for you about

what i'd rather do. You know, if I'd rather have Georgia linebacker or trade back game picks and get the Georgia guard I was gonna. I didn't mean to use to Georgia player. You didn't, Oh, well you can. Okay, what if it's Hernandez, then either way, I'm getting a

starting player. I'm getting a starter in the first round and adding two more picks to what I already have, which, by the way, You've got like three or four comp picks coming too, so like you're talking about picking a lot on day two in day three in that scenario, well, and you're giving yourself AMMO that in the second round you can move it. You want to move up to get DJ more, you want to whatever you want to do. Yeah, it gives you options. This is something that we're gonna

have to revisit. Oh absolutely, I just like to get it out there. Yeah, I mean real, one more thing. I know, kids kill me, right, I gotta go to a break. Yeah, we're only ten minutes over. It was the fastest thirty minutes of the day right there. Pittsburgh's second round pick at twenty eight that you would get. You'd go from nineteen to twenty eight and pick up their second or use that pick or use you lose your second and go to Miami at eleven so I

can trade back again. You could know you trade back automatically. Just I'm just throwing it out there one more time. Yeah, you get to go to twenty eight pick up a second. Yeah, or you can go to eleven and give up your two. So you either give up a two or get a two. And so I'm picking three times in the top sixty. Yesh, yeah, whatever, ye tell me how bad that draft is now, Dave Hellman. But it's all it's all about. I'm just busting. I know. It's all about take it personal here in the old

draft room. Never never, what do you want? No? Yeah, I trade back because I can probably still. I would hope I could still maybe wanted Derwin James. He wanted him and now he doesn't. That's not what I said. You asked me a question I get I would like. I'm trying to read your answer. I'm just in the war room here trying to read your answer. I'm I'm gonna see how committed you are to get in Derwin James. I think I got him on board for REALQUI okay,

now there's gonna be a good fight. Ah. But we could probably still get Hernandez at twenty eight, couldn't we That's the risk. We could still get our guy. We could still get us start at a second. Could we get Golden Tennessee? Oh, I'd love That's what I'm talking about. You go another day, another twenty eight fifty, whatever their picket like, just give me all the picks. I love this. He sounds like us. He sounds like gimmick, gimme picks.

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I love those kind of conversations. I mean, you can have those about up and back, and I always like to see how committed guys are the players because I got challenged so much on that at my own the guys I grew up with there in Green Bay. Man, they wolf would just challenge the heck out of you to see how much you really wanted a player. Wait, that's I don't think i'd be any good at that because I don't think I love any player enough to just be like, yes, I'll tell you what there it is.

I just wish everybody that loves the draft could be a part of a war room discussion. We need to we need to sell that as a sponsorship. Yeah. A week, you know, a week in the war room. I mean you learn, you learn a lot about yourself. Sometimes you couldn't drive a nail up your rear. You're so it's about discussions, but I'm sure, But no, seriously, I appreciate you guys. I mean I try and beat you guys up. Well I got beat up. Do beat us up. That's

I mean, that's what. Yeah, like you said, it's kind of what a war room is. You gotta be tough, whish when you're building the draft board. Yeah, there's no fence sitting. No, I mean that's hey, listen, trust me. I've taken a beating on Jalen Smith. I've taken a beating on Joey Bosap. It's made me a better, better evaluator. Oh yeah, it's all batting average, it's all I mean, Hey, just keep beating me up. That's fine. I promise you

get better. There's a player in his draft, probably several players that we think our first round players that won't turn out to be. Yeah, that whole thing about the guard I don't know what they'll really do at that spot. You know, I really don't know. Well, yeah, I mean, how could you. Maybe we'll think about that. I mean, we love guys. We have some guys. I mean we love them. But we'll see, we'll see it plays up. All right, this is one of my favorite you can

say something. I'm sorry, I was about to get into the Twitter questions. All I will do that. Okay, Hey, can't hit that sounder for play. We're about fourteen minutes late on that, so we'll try and do that. Also, the number eight eight eight eight five two two nine seven, be real nice to Kate Garrison. If you want to chime in on the discussion that we had, feel free to call in Kent. We'll get you on air after

we do some Twitter questions. Go ahead, day This one, this question from Wayne kind of plays into the first segment, which is I think it's interesting he wants to know do teams put draft value on their current roster? And so, I mean, you know, you remember you heard the report that maybe the Cowboys might have been shopping Orlando Scandrick last year, right, And I mean, how does that work?

Like is there a time where you sit never really you sit in that room and you're like, all right, these are are you know, these are our top fifty one, and this is what we would want for them. If somebody called, I mean, did teams do that? It seems like it would be smart. Yeah. I think that the discussion generally is, if you've moved on from a guy,

you've moved on from a guy. You're not trying to give away guys, but if your mind, you're kind of thinking, you know what, here's a guy we're willing to push along just to kind of maybe make the deal a little bit better for somebody. Maybe somebody requests a guy from you. Well, and I was, so I'll give you an example. James Whalen. James Whalen, and this goes way back. James Whalen was a tight end that was here with the Cowboys that the Cincinnati Bengals at one time wanted.

And actually Jim Lippicott from the Bengals calls me up and he goes, hey, we'd be interested in James Whalen. We're moving t J Housman Zada, And so I asked, you know, I'm kind of thinking, I know how much we really didn't like James Whalen. So I just immediately said yeah, that'd be great. You want to turn in the paperwork, you got that, and then he goes, oh, well we'll think about it here for second. Let me

a little thing. I'll get back with you. And then they, you know, they call back said they didn't want to do it. You gotta be less eager, you know. I just know how much we didn't want James Whalen, but she gave it away. You can't let that trimmy to packins bags for you. Well no, I just asked, I mean, hey, you know, if you're willing to move on, they were. They sound like they were willing to move on from t J. Husman Zada. So you think it's it's only guys that they want to move on, you know. And

I think Wayne used this as an example. It's probably a little extreme, but like, obviously you don't have any interest in trading Zach Martin obviously, but like if somebody called and was just like, this is what we're willing to give you, I mean, yeah, that's a good that's a fair that's fair. Oh yeah, if you if you were to say, okay, what what would be fair for Dez Bryant. I saw some people over the weekend, we're tweeting at me about Earl Thomas and Dez Bryant. Yeah,

trade him straight up. Well, okay, the cap hit for the Seahawks, I think it's one point nine million for a trade, and Dallas is is over eight more, even more than that, maybe twelve a few more years. Yeah, see, it's actually two more. He's got one more year. So now, where's the trade value there? You know, people say, no, it's they think it's you know, you try and line things up, but it's very rare that you get a trade of that. But you have you have seen more

a player for players swaps recently. Then if if it's one year, one year, well well, or if it's two guys on their rookie deal, right, that's that's exactly right. I don't know how you. I don't know how you. It's hard to trade these two. It's hard. It's hard to trade ten to fifteen million dollar players. Yeah, right, it's hard to do that, especially if they're not on the same deal, and if you're thinking about cap charges

is another thing. But yeah, no, the value. Now, if I believe the Saints with a team, you know, I wouldn't be surprised the Saints might have an eye on Orlando Scandric And then you would say, okay, what do you what would you like? You know? Yeah, what we what are you willing to part for? Yeah? You know, And you could say, well, and again, folks, I'm not I'm just saying he was part of the trade. I'm not trading him right now. I'm so hypothetic. Yeah, he

was part of a trade thing. So yeah, Michael wants to know, are we sure we're out on right end, just in terms of like that being in need and he all he mentioned Harold Landry as like a guy. Sure you see him in the mix at nineteen I feel we mentioned this when we did make me feel better last week. Like I think we would all probably agree that drafting and right end wouldn't be the end

of the world for this team by any measure. I just don't know how I feel about the value where this team is sitting right now, at least that's how I see it, Wake Forest. You know we're talking about second or third round, probably second there right, I'm talking nineteen ye specifically, so like Harold Andry yeh, Marcus Davenport, that's after that. What else you got. I mean, but depending on how Sam Hubbard arden Key. No, that's not it. Well, No, I'm just I threw his name in there with it

and I grimaced. Yeah, as that happened, arden Key. Yeah, you know that's I mean basically what you're saying, it's the value and you know, going defensive end in the first round last year. I mean, no matter what happened for Taco as a rookie, they're not giving up on him. I mean, they still have high hosts for him. They still think he's going to be a starter in this league. You're gonna franchise Tag DeMarcus Lawrence most likely. Yeah, and then after that, who knows. Uh, you can't really count

on Randy Gregory for anything. No, I mean no, I'm hearing whispers that he is working very hard to try and get reinstated. Who's you're starting defensive ends on the twenty nineteen Cowboys, Tank and Tyrone just like it? Oh nineteen. I'm sorry, sorry I skipped ahead or I didn't skip ahead. Do you think he's gonna do you think Tank is gonna get Tank, He's gonna get intended, So you think he's getting extended at so he just said, I do you think he's getting extended? Then we don't need to

talk about defensive end a nineteen. They could tag him again, Yeah they could. I don't. Oh that's tough. I don't know. I would assume he's going to get extended. If you if there's like doubt, then I think you think more about defensive en at nineteen. But if there's but is there a guy that fits the value like Harold Landry? Would you draft him there? Not at nineteen though? And I don't think he's I don't he's really a fit for this team. I don't either. That's a lot of

I've got I've got here. Yeah, I've got Landry. I mean I've got him in that in that group. And we talked about where Davenport and Combines is gonna be big for Landry the medicals. And then let's just get some numbers on him. How big is he is he six fifty six one and a half to forty eight? What is he going to be? Numbers wise? Um? And then if he is undersized, well you better test well. You know your ten yards split your three cone. You better have big, big numbers if you're gonna be an

undersized pass rusher. Yeah, Trip wants to know. We were talking about Darwin James earlier, how how versatile is he? And I I mean I've heard y'all talk about how he can play both safety spots. But Trips specifically wants to know, like, is this a guy that could play big nickel or big dime and like be that you know, that versatile to where you could use him as linebacker? Yeah? In spots? I think so. I mean he's done. He did everything of Florida State except put his hand on

the ground. Good Blitzer too, by the way he is when he comes off the age. There's some disruption there, you know, knocking passes down and playing in lanes and understanding all that. He lined up outside at outside corner. Yeah, I mean he he did everything, so he Yeah, I think that's that might be the best position for him. Is that big nickel defender? Absolutely a guy that you can use as I don't know, is this defense that created where they can do that? Yeah, you're interested, going

Arizona out fifteen. Here's the thing I think when it's all said and done, I saw I saw a short video of him doing his He was practicing his vertical at whatever training complex lies when it's all said and done. Oh Dame Dame. We first started this exercise back in January. Dane was talking about how well he'll test, and he's one of the top five players back at that point. Yeah, I mean, this is gonna be, This is gonna be.

Everybody's just gonna after listening to the draft show, all of a sudden, it's gonna then you're gonna watch him test and you're gonna go. We're talking about him as a talking about him as a top twenty pick right now, and that's based on potential plus some of his tape. You know, we say his tape's not amazing, but you see enough there that you're excited. Add that to what I think his numbers are gonna be. I had bet he's a top ten pick. Like I don't genuinely think

the Cowboys are gonna be able to sniff him. Plus you hear his teammates talk about him. It's like big time stuff. It's you know, he keeps us in line, he holds us accountable, he's a vocal leader, he takes care of us. I mean they just go low about Derwin James. Yeah, he's he's he's not gonna be there, I hope, so though no, I doubt it. Friend of the show, Bobby wants to know which that's that's Bobby belt right, which best player at his position Asian is

most likely to fall to nineteen? So whether that you know, that could be Calvin Ridley, that could be well, don't say it won't be quarterback, won't be running back, won't be guard tackle? Who would that be? Wherever your top tackle? You know, it's funny that you say that, but I look at I know Fitzpatrick. Is he your top corner? Or Ward top corner? Okay? Ward is my top corner Ohio State. And I don't over Minca. You have Minca safe? No, no, I have him over Minca. Okay. And I don't think

either going to be They're both top ten picks to me. Okay, but I'm just kind of okay now, it's we talked about Smith, he roke on Smith. We don't think he'll be there, doubtful. Could people feeda veya? Could that be the possibility there? I mean, is he the one guy likely? I mean maybe somebody doesn't say that they don't want the three hundred forty found really good player, the very athletic. Is he the best? Is he the best? One technique? I think he see I have problems with video, say no, no,

I'm Do you not have him the first round? I mean I do, Okay, if he's not okay, then you do you have him? Won? Two? Yes? Okay? One? Two would tell me okay, so you have him the back of the first Well, I haven't. He's top twenty for me. Okay. If he's top twenty, then all right. But I know, I mean a lot of people around the league believe he's a guy. I wonder if any chance he chanced it. How about this, he chanced that people have Jones Ronald

Jones USA over Barkley. I'd be surprised. I would be Yeah, I would be surprised. I mean, we all love Ronald Jones. I could see him going in the first round, but not over I could see him going in top twenty Seattle. I mean I could see that, but not over Barkley though, yeah, I mean Bert over Barkley. Okay. I don't see Barkley falling out of the top ten. And I don't think Ronald Jones gets to the top ten. Mcclinchy tackle. Is

that your top tackle? That's my top ten tackle? Okay, there's could mcclinchy be I mean, is he the top tack Well, that's yeah, that's kind of the greater discussion. I mean you do you have more Lando Brown, Cartner Williams, Yeah, Glenchy. I mean you're gonna get different answers debend on who you talk. Yeah, I think mcclinchy is my top he's my top tackle. He could very well be there at nineteen.

I think he will be there. Yeah. Okay, so you're talking tackle, and could your your first tight end tighten? Your first tight end will be there? Yeah? Hurst in center? Yeah, center exactly yea, and yeah, maybe defensive tackle. See that's Hurst. Hurst is the best three technique. I say, if you divide them three to say you're yeah, you're dividing positions there. So yeah, right, who would you rather have? Hirst or Via?

I mean two different positions? Give me a tackle. It's tough because there are two different It's like saying, who do you what's the better defensive back? You know, Denzel Ward or Derwin James only played two different positions. I'm just saying for the position, just for the just for the sake of defensive tackle. I think they would take Hurst. Who would you have whoud Okay, compare just put them together. I mean I have Hurst rated higher than Vita Vea

on my board. Okay, so he would take Hurst if I needed a three technique. You but that's assuming assuming David Irving is here for twenty eighteen, which will just say that that's the case. Would you draft Hurst anyway because of because of if you know that David Irvan was only gonna be here for a year. But I don't think you can go wrong either way. But like this team doesn't have a real nose tackle. That's the

thing I'm going back to. The addition of a nose tackle to this front seven would help in so many ways. I'd love to see him ad that nose tackle. I think I would take via Veta Via Vita, thank you, Vita Vea, I thank you for I think I would take ve So where's day on your board? Brouss for from top tackle top tackle to hurt him and Hurst? Now the problem is, though, now all of a sudden, I've got all these one techniques that I absolutely love, ye, and so I'm you know, I'm not totally interested in

Vata Veya. Yeah, but they're not. You must not love him that much. Well, I, he's my top tackle, though, what are the odds that this team spends two? That sounds funny than it, But he is my top t is my top tackle. But you know what if if I if I a game is due, if I were to lose him, I'm okay with the guys behind him. You're in this scenario where it's Hurst Surveya. Though, the odds that they're going to draft two defensive tackles in premium spots seem I'm taken Veya. Then there you go?

Is that what you wanted to know? That's that was the question? Well, No, I tried to get you guys to say which one of the defensive tackles you would take. I would take Veya. It just depends on the team. I mean, for this team, I would love to see them add the nose tackle and then you let Malie Collins be your three and see how that plays out. Sure, but again we talked about the one techniques in this draft. You can get one of the second or third round

and be just fine. We're born you, Dave. No, I'm just sleepy. Sorry, thanks for coming on the show. My bad you nobody would have known if you hadn't called it out. I just make sure you know what. Your two guys are sitting there scouting with you, making sure you're okay. It's Monday morning. Yeah, why't you be better at your job? Let's go good? All right, it's way too early for that. That's only Monday. We talked about this a little bit, but it's it's a primary concern

to me. So I'm gonna bring it back up because Trevor wants to know a center fielder type of safety that you can find outside of round one, like a guy who you think can cover, could maybe get some picks since nobody on this team likes doing that. I know who brought us is gonna say? I know who you're gonna say, You're gonna bring up your guy from Pitt Uh yeah, I think he'd beat my top guy over brought us this top guy, Jesse Bates Bates, Yeah

rom where wait four? Ah? Okay, oh yeah, okay. You see him playing a lot of his own coverage, so you see him play back a lot, you know, and he that's what he does. He he kind of reads rallies, gets to the ball, tackles. You know, he has got some range to him. Whitehead is pitt Yeah, I think the athletic upside. I think I can get that type of center field. I have him around behind Bates. I've got the opposite. I've got a two three on white

Head and a three on Bats. Okay, And the thing with Bates we talked about before, under two hundred pounds that worries me a little bit, just his ability to hold up and you know, versus the run, and we know what he can do as a center fielder, but we'll be able to hold up. I don't I get some questions there. It's like golden, you have a corner, Golden, give me golden all day. If you're gonna, if you're gonna. If I can't get James, I've hooked you, man, Oh

you have? I got you hooked on? Yeah, you know you. He walked in and said, hey, Brian, you might want to take a look at this number seven from Tennessee. And I'm like, okay, start watching him. I'm going, Okay, why is he Why have we not talked about this guy? I'd say media scouts are a little behind on him right now. A lot of people are behind him. Catch

up on him later. I want to watch him because I've watched Whitehead and I did not like him, so and that's I don't think they're getting Derwin James, and I would like to add a solid safety to this draft class. So Golden give me him as the guy. Absolutely, Yeah, that's who I would be. I think you're gonna have to. I think you're gonna have to tag Golden at fifty if you want to get him. Yeah, definitely. Maybe he

might be gone earlier than that. I should be gone, but there's a chance he could be there at fifty. Let's see. Let's see. Christian wants to know the way this draft falls. Do you think it's realistic that Dallas draft's offense twice in the first three rounds, So you're basically talking probably a guard and a wide receiver. Yeah, that's the plausible, which maybe tight end. Yeah that's another one. There you go, Amy, I hope not, but maybe I go,

yeah that's possible. Yeah, I don't. I don't. Yeah, I mean, you never rule something out. But at some point in time, they're gonna have to grab a linebacker. Well, it might depend on what they do in freedency. That's I mean, there's a huge piece of this puzzle missing, right. That's I mean if they look and if they add a veteran guard, you know, on the cheap, then that lessens the chance they go guard in the first few rounds Warner or just Sicky. I'm a BYU linebacker, yep, friend

and Warner. I don't. I don't want to tight end. Give me, give me, I take Warner. Yeah, you take Warner over just Sicky. And you liked you Sicky, don't you? I think I have a three on him. What do you have Warner as at two or three? Two? Three? I got two threes on both of them. Okay, but I'd have Warner ahead of them. See, I'm trying to get you to say who you would take Warner over the tight end, so that in his way, in his mind, he would not take you would you said three three

draft three two offensive players in the first three rounds? Okay, then you're you wouldn't. I would do that. Well, even if they took a guard first, you would still take Warner in the second over just Sicky if they were tied in, and then I'd take him. I don't disagree with him. Look at Ian Thomas on third. Okay, who's your third round linebacker? Are you looking at Griffin Malik? Jefferson? Um? Guy more I I've got a four on Sky? More about our What do you have you have? Jefferson? What

about Leonard? Got a three four on him? Okay? So what about the boise kid vander Esh see that I need? I need to go back and watch. Yes, you do, trust you. So I went back and watched them, and he said, watch the Oregon game. He played like the second coming of anybody. You want to. Don't be stubborn going back, and I'm gonna go back and watch, and if you feel the same way as you did before, then that will give you even more confidence that your evaluation is right. But what did you not like? What

did you like not like about Vanders before? I didn't think he was very like And this isn't fair. This isn't fair at all, because you're talking about like the two best guys in the draft. But you watch Roquan and Edmonds just smacking people as I didn't think he was very physical and I didn't think he I thought he was outstanding in coverage. That best trade I thought

he had. I did not see a physical guy. Now, if you tell me that Oregon game he's going to tackle everybody and be physical and get off blocks and all that, I'm dancing right with you. I think he's an ascending player. I think he's like, this is a guy. Okay, I mentioned this a lot, but the most fascinating part of the draft process is the journey. And with vander esh he was playing eight man football in high school.

He was a quarterback in Idaho in the middle of nowhere, walked on the Boise State, barely played the first few years as he kind of got acclimated to just that what they're asking him to do. And then I think, as you saw this past year, you saw him get better and better as the season went on. And I think he's an ascending player. I think he's going to get better and better. So I think when you factor that in, that helps the evaluation a little bit. First

time I watched him, I did see a playmaker. More I watched and watch I kind of appreciated what he did off the one game or just multiple multiple games. But and again I don't like him to say he's a first round pick, but I took him from A three, I would consider him. I don't think he'd be he he he's going to be right around that range. He'd be probably in the discussion. I would hope there'd be better players or higher players on my board there at fifty,

but he'd be in a discussion. I know people playing him inside or outside um for this team, Yes, probably outside, but I you know I wouldn't probably outside. You I watched that clinchy. That's I want to excuse me. I want to watch him. I know Cowboys fans don't want to hear about another hurt guy, but I blame him. And you said, and you said he played eight games or played seven games the last two years. He he hasn't played football since last October. Okay, I'm intrigued. His tape, though,

was at sixteen. Was so much better than any hurt guy I've ever seen. Watched him against LSU, Yeah, no doubt, I mean yeah, you see the lateral quickness in another former walk on. Why are we not talking about Evans at all? Alabama? Rishan? We did, We talked about it. I don't think we've talked about him as much in the linebacker mix. He's kind of in that no man's land where I don't know if I don't think i'd take him at nineteen, but I don't think you last

still fifty. So he's kind of in that no man's land where maybe he's a tradeback option. I don't think we mentioned him enough as a tradeback option. Alabama guys are banged up. Those defendants. Well, I was gonna, Okay, I just said vander Esh wasn't physical. I watched him and it's the opposite. He's like, he murders you if he hits you, But I'm not. I don't trust that he's gonna do everything right to get to the point of the There's some discipline issues. There's no doubt, good athlete.

I'm eager to see how he tests, see how he does. I mean, you saw him dropping coverage sometimes not a lot more of a downhill player, put his hand on the ground on passing downs, brush off at the edge. But yeah, he's he's a guy that we should talk about as a tradeback option if they do trade back in the first can't do we have any calls? No call right now, Okay, jerks, We're we're out of questions. We're out of questions. I have questions. We're not quite out of time, not out of time yet, but did

we take a second break? I guess we don't need to at this point. We're passed it at this point. Yeah, okay, it's fine to come back for one minute. Yeah, lost in the sauce. I'm sorry about that, kid. I really eight President's Day, surprised with folks out there, you know, off that they're not calling in saying hell to us. But see, well, I don't know about calling in, but maybe we got fewer questions because there's nobody at work.

They're all doing like you're killing time on Twitter. If you're not, like, if you're off doing your own thing, if you're not at work today, you're not on Twitter. Let's go back, Let's go back and rehash some things. What do we learn today? What do we learned today? In our discussion, we learned that you're combative and you want to try to force us to get rid of our draft. You're like quitting Nelson of this room. Yeah, be real with me, you would really do that. You

would Briton Nelson like take your scouts had off. Don't think about it objectively, think about like for this team. My scout just told me what this team best player in the draft. Just told me that that doesn't mean but he adding him to this roster greatly hinders your ability to add other things to this roster, does it not. We're having a lot of discussion about guys that you really don't feel great about. Oh hey, the Devas of

the world. Oh I thought you Mount Nelson. I was like, I don't feel us trade He said he would trade up for Smith. But we're also looking at traits of Smith or measurables that aren't ideal. If you list every the most important positions on this team, okay, where the linebackers one of them? Where's left guard? Come? Well, I think it's one of the top three. I think that's

a problem. No, I'm not just no, just not needs take every position and say the top twenty two positions, starting positions, quarterbacks, one, defense, end too, blah blah blah blah. I'm trying to where's left guard on your team? I'm trying to help my quarterback one again, I'm trying to

help much so, so where does left guard? His left guard is not probably not a top ten position for you, don't you think you can help your quarterback without mortgaging your ability to I just hate I hate the band aid. It's not a band aid. No, no, no, no, I hate the band aid that you want to put their left guard. It's you're talking about you're talking about a free agent. It would would would what was the biggest David would will and end as be a band aid?

Would he be a band Oh no, no, he wouldn't. All right, well, you don't have to trade away, but i'd have to. I'd have to hit him. I'd maybe have to hit him at nineteen, wouldn't I If I'm if I'm gonna stand in there pick, I'm not gonna would. I can't trade back, draft away at nineteen. Draft a guard there if you want, Just don't give up a future first to go get this the same guy. That's all I'm saying. I don't back to the Isaiah Win or Quittin Nelson. Yeah, I don't think Quittnon Nelson gives

you more wins than Isaiah Windows. I don't think he adds two or three more wins. And I'm in favor of the one point five million dollar free agent band aid if it frees me up to spend draft picks on other spots. As you watch the team win nine games last year with it, evaluate, I think they won nine games because their left guard wasn't any good. Yeah, they're the offensive line that was that was part of

their problem. Sith is hurt then, yeah, the best player on their offensive line was banged up and out for a solid chunk of the year, and then the best player on there saying I don't want a band aid playing left guard. If I can, if I can, we get him somewhere other than fifth overall and give him up our first round. Okay, what do you don't need an operation? Where do you see? What do you see Quentin's What do you see h Roquan Smith playing? When he gets here? I see him? What? Excuse me? Oh?

What position is Smith's best suited for in the NFL? Probably will? Who's your will? Linebacker? John Lee? Okay? No, yeah, no, you're if you're okay? If I if I okay, excuse me, I'm not worried about that or what are the position? Can Roquan Smith play any position you want? Mike linebacker? You can play the mic Ou family, yes, let's go see. Okay, Dane's not hesitating. Okay, where will he start with the Cowboys? Then? I don't know what's his best position? You said it

will linebacker was his best position. What's his coaching staff gonna want to do? They're gonna want to move Sean Lee to the middle? Are they gonna want You don't want to do that? I would bet you it's We don't know for sure because Matt Eberflus is no longer the coach here, But based on what they've done in past years, I would bet he would be Shan Lee's understudy and they would cross train him at all three positions to be the next guy up for any longer.

And we talk about every time these guys this position flex and what is it got us? We have forty eight star forty eight games with Byron Jones, and we haven't figured out where to play him yet, have we? I could think Smith's not We're not. They're not gonna have that problem. Roguan Smith can play the mic, he can play the will. We can get too caught up in the left end, right And no, no, I'm just

trying to play him his best position. To your point, Ideally, I don't want to spend the first round pick on a linebacker either because of what you just said, which is why I'd like to trade up. He I didn't say that Dane would. Yeah, I trust him too. I would much rather spend money on a free agent a band aid to be your insurance policy than draft a guy in the first round band aid at linebacker or band aid at guard. I'd rather have the band aid at guard because you've got more talent around you to

help him. Whereas An I mean, if you draft Roquan Smith, I mean you need to think about moving on from Shan Lee at some point anyway, so you're drafting him to be your will of the future. Chance that he won't start Quan Smith, absolutely, there's a chance, although a chance he won't start. Absolutely Ideally you probably don't want him to start right away unless which that's another conversation. I mean, put him on the field. There's every well,

your scheme whatever, I don't care. Put him on the field. He's one of your There are not eleven better defensive players on your roster. I don't care. Play him wherever you have to play him to get him on the field. There's every Hey, you could draft Roquan Smith and start him at the mic and let Jalen be your guy because he for all, he doesn't need to be out there for sixty snaps. Anyway, we learned that last year or point. Be careful. We've done a good, nice job though. Hey,

and I think he will improve. Trainers, everybody's done a great job. I think he will improve and give them credit. No, absolutely, he I think he will improve, evaluate better and free agency and get that guy at left guard that frees up a lot of options on draft day. You guys commit. I agree with Dane. Dane and I are the common sense on this show, and you're just a madman trying to stir the pot. Yeah, thank you very much for joining the Draft show this week. Appreciate everybody out there.

Enjoy your Presidence Day. We'll be back with your Thursday at eleven a m. Central. We'll have some more discussions. Hopefully these guys won't quit and go to another club before you have a chance, but that never Yeah, Brian brought us Danburg with David Helman, Kate Garrison. We'll see you next Thursday. Thank you had the