Draft Show: Players On The Rise; 'Tell Me More' Returns

David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. As always, gentlemen, we're getting very close to this draft inside forty four days I think now forty three days. Over a month, yeah, just over a month. Kind of getting some pro days rolling on. Had a quarterback throw yesterday at Oklahoma. Maybe talk about that a little bit. I want to get into this first segment though, as we get rolling. I want to get this thing going because we just run out of time at the end of the day, and

you know that's why it goes. But I kind of want to get into a tail of the tape situation here because of the combine we had some guys that worked out really well, you know, but when we went back, did the tape make us feel any different about the player? I know you got your top one hundred coming out today, ye, Dane, So you know I want to kind of get an

idea of that. We got a little Twitter on the twenty as we always do, and we got some tell me more and David Hellman has come up with some names, so that I was quite going, oh, I got I got a really really good one for you, Dane, Like are you I'm excited? Yeah? Who are you excited? All right? So yeah, we're going to see if we can stump

the expert here of Dane Burglar. But Dane, you know, we had some guys that ran and worked out very very well, and as we went into the combine, we were, you know, we were kind of thinking, okay, for example, the Campbell kid, the wider sit were from Ohio State, Parris Cambell, Paris Campbell, kind of looking at him and thinking okay, maybe third, maybe two, three on the on the on the we would think about him and watching the ability of the player, and then all of a

sudden he goes flying on you, and you know, maybe maybe you expected that you did. I mean, I don't think it was necessarily the speed. It was more when you watch the tape of the combine and you see the drills, the positional drills. The biggest question for me is down field, what can he bring you? Sure, because he was an underneath player, we talked about it exactly yet sweeve screens. What can he give you down the field? Um? And when you and I know the combine, we talk

about positional drills. It's a lot different when you simulate, if you simulate a game compared to catching a ball in shorts and sure you know, no defense and all that. But I was really encouraged by what I saw from Paris Campbell, just from the workout aspect of it, just the routes down field, the tracking skills, and again it's a big jump going from what he was asked to do with the combine compared to you know, doing it on the football field, right, But I was really encouraged

by what I saw. And again the numbers are great, but it was expected Paris Campbell six foot two five four three one and the forty the jumps are ridiculous, forty inches in the verse eleven three broad Okay, but again the positional stuff, that's what really sold me as Okay, this guy has some juice and I won't be surprised at all when he goes. And I mentioned first round when we were at the Combine. Sure, it won't be surprised.

He goes in the first round and on my board I have him as the fourth wide receiver, number forty three overall. So he did he? So where did he start in your process? Before the Combine? Would he have been a top fifty player on your board? No? No, no, I mean he because again, so the tape is the tape translate? You think that's what we what we were seeing here? I want to I want to know, Well, first of all, I want to know the three in front of him. Yeah, that was when that I buried

the lead on that one, didn't they? I'm guess in Hollywood, uh Metcalf. I don't think he has Metcalf up there and over him. I've met Calf one Hollywood Metcalf, and then the third A J. Brown. Very good. Yeah, I pay attention with Paris Campbell. You can go back to the Ohio State tape and you'll like what you see. Yeah,

but again you're not going to see downfield rounds. You're not going to see any complex So the comedy the combine showed you this kid has ability to track the ball and go down the field and much at least he showed me that he could do it. He could do a struggle with it. I'm not a little and I don't. I don't. I'm not trying to say I disagree with you. I trust you implicitly. I'm a little

surprised as much as you focus on tape. Yeah, to hear you say this, because that's my impression of Campbell is you will turn on the tape, You're going to see the athleticism. You're not going to see the polish of you know of you know the route running and the versatility, and you know you trust his hands, you trust his mechanics and all that good stuff. Like you know, I'll beat the name into the ground. I won't apologize for it. Like, how do you compare him to Deebo Samuel?

Just in terms of the tape of Deebo Samuel playing wide receiver is gonna be way better, Oh it is

than the tape of Paris Campbell. That's fair. Um, I think so much of scout by the way right and so much of scouting his projection um with what Paris Campbell did at the combine, I feel much better projecting him forward as a guy who will round out his route tree, who will you know, put it all together and be more than just underneath torget where Deebo Samuel I think he's a He's a good player, don't get me wrong. I mean he's number eight wide receiver for me, uh,

number two senior behind Paris Campbell. So I like Deebo Samuel, but I think he's kind of tapped out in terms of like what he gives you, like you know exactly what you're getting, but it's just you know, it's not a necessarily a home run, where Paris Campbell I think could be a home run with what he brings you. It's just your On his tape at the Ohio State tape, he didn't show me that he can't run downfield routes. He wasn't. You never, you never, you didn't. You don't

see him do it, that's for sure. That's for sure. There's a big difference when you know, if you couldn't do it on tape during the season, then he does do it the combine. That gives you a little bit of pause, but it's he wasn't asked to do it at Ohio State, but then he did do it the combine. That's why I'm a little more optimistic when it comes

to Paris Campbell. What about the Notre Dame kid receiver? See, now that's the one I think that's got a lot of people scratching their head in the in the scouting community. When you've got a guy that's almost six four two hundred twenty pounds and he goes down there at four four one and not only the forty, but six seven seven and a three cone. Yeah, that's a silly number. Okay, pretty crazy. It's the tape. Is the tape showing that? Or is or is the tape not gonna lie on

that one? Is that a little bit? You know, you talk so glowingly about Campbell, and rightfully so you talk Boyk in the same way as does Boykin put himself in a position to where he is a maybe a third round guy and not this maybe a fifth round guy or you know, were five type guy. You thought I was encouraged by what I saw. He just he doesn't play with a confidence of that type of athlete.

You see a little bit of the twitch, You see the movement skills when he has a lane, when he can run, You see the speed as a route runner. Don't necessarily see it all the time, sure, but um, you know, I'm encouraged by what I saw most of than what I thought going in. And the numbers help that.

But he reminds me a lot of Dante Moncrief coming out of Old Miss that Old Miss again and wide receiver, and you're just like, yeah, I know I'm throwing them all together, but that's Moncrief has had a pretty good career for relative to where he was drafted. Yeah, yeah, we're not talking about Laquon Treadwell, right and he did. Okay, it's just old Miss, you know, it's Old Miss and receivers. I hope we're talking about I got you no with with Boykin. I think you have a guy who he

looks the part one step acceleration. He doesn't. He doesn't. It's not build up speed one step and he's going. Um and he Where I where I really liked Myles Boykin before the combine was his athleticism at the point the adjustment skills where you just kind of throw it in his area and he's gonna come down with it. So I think he brings value. He comes in for me, I think number ten wide receiver. So he bumped up a little bit after the combine. Uh, not enough where

I'm gonna put him. So number ten, where does that put him in inn fest where he could be drafted? For me? I think he's number seventy overall of my board. Okay, so you know that's early third round. Okay, but if he goes in the second, no one should be surprised. I hate to go rogue on y'all, but I want can I flip this for a second, because I feel like at this time of year and for good reason, but we do it. The Cowboys could be picking nineteen,

they could be picking fifty eight. We're always like, oh, he's he's he's not gonna get there, No way that's not going to happen. Which and since you know boy Can went to Notre Dame, that reminded me of Equanimius. Well that was that sounded like to me the worldly guy thing. Well, just talking to teams again, like dat first came up with that, the same thing Can maybe be said about the tackle there. I don't care, I don't care why. But who's the guy that we're talking

about glowingly right now? Who's gonna be there late on day three when you're like, whoa, what's going on with this guy? Oh, you're you're saying the guy that's get you can go find you can go find a tape of us shocking about Saint Brown last year and like, oh, he won't be there for you want to know who it is. It's gonna be the kid from It's gonna be the kid from Colorado State, Preston Williams. Yeah, but I think we like not only that, but like from

what I mean, he's he even gonna get drafted. Like if he went undrafted, I would I mean, weren't good to go along with? I'm saying, I'm saying, whoa because of the ability? Yeah, that's what I mean. If you're telling me this, who's a guy that you well, you like Preston william Dane, who's a guy that you really like? Who's gonna fall Come on, I'm you know, I'm looking through my list here. You know, a guy like um, Devin Singletary, Oh the running back. Yeah, you know, I

think that's a great call. You really like the tape he makes guys miss but now you're stacking five guys above him, is what you're doing. Yeah, combine hurt him. It hurt him. And that's where I'm saying that you know him and how about him? And like Isaac Nada. Yeah, I didn't expect Isaac Noad to come rolling down there at forty nine. I didn't expect that. You watch his tapist see this is where to me. You know, you talk about like, oh, who help who? And I'm like,

do you? But do you? You just get mad? I get mad. You're gonna go out to Athens in time. I'm out at thirty eight. Yeah, and I'm gonna I'm gonna get head my way down to Boker with Tom Florida and I'm gonna get the other kid at thirty eight too. I just feel like those you should be happy. That means these guys will fall to you, what if? I I mean, I just feel like that Isaac Nada is a better football player than a four nine guy. His his workout did not and you know his workout

is And maybe you're gonna be right about polite. Maybe you're gonna be right about him. You know, maybe maybe there's a guy at fifty eight you better get ready for that's another guy. It's possible. And then all of a sudden, when that when when we're on the book, well the Cowboys, it's one away, Dane, who do you got? Well, we got polite from Florida and I'm gonna go hunk. Yeah, a Harold Landry type of deal. I mean not sure,

but yeah, sure, yeah, but with a singletary. It wasn't just the numbers at the combine, Like he didn't catch the ball well, and that was a big question. This workout was horrible. If you can't catch the ball and you're an undersized guy, that that's a problem or walking on water. Old ron Wolf used to say, if you're that little, so you know, teams are gonna be looking at that competition, you know or the Conference USA, And you know, is that really what helped make the tape

shine and that production? And you know they often you say that about Henderson in from Memphis though he's the American Conference right right, but similar, I mean similar, Yeah, the thing with Darrell Henderson and Memphis think it worries me with him you look at the backup running back, the third string running back, they all average like six year. You're a scheme helps there? Oh yeah, I mean there. You watch that tape and there are some gaping holes

to run through. Uh now, I mean Henderson, there's the there. There's a lot of credit as well. I'm not taking trying to take credit away from him, but it does give you a little bit of pause when you factor in scheme, factor in competition factor, in just the situation they were put in. It's just in college football. There are one hundred and thirty teams in the FBS, you know,

just it's so different from conference to conference. Focusing on the Cowboys here, Dave, Yeah, what's my what's my compensatory four number? Please? Do you remember that? I believe it's one thirty six. Can I take not at one thirty six? Oh god, yeah, you're speaking my language. If that's I mean, if that's possible, you know, if if he's gonna run four to nine and everybody's gonna jump off the not a train, go me, it is one thirty six. Hey you go da? I knew he had done the chauffeur

reas memory. Dave, Yeah, it's it's amazing the fact that you've been to Maudi Gras and the combine back to back, hey and survived. I don't I don't really get it either. But okay, what thirty six, I'd be saying, I have a third round. Yeah, I'd be surprised if you failed that, because we're talking end of the fourth round. Sure, I'd be surprised if failed that are but you never know with these tight ends. See I got him in Sternberger

right there next to each other. If you watched the tape, this guy's a fat of fat, a flat back blocker to me when you watch him play. Yeah, that's you know, we're getting back into on the clock series, isn't there. I'm paraphrasing here, but don't quote me. Dive, no, no no, no, I'm I read this off my Twitter timeline back because not as workout was terrible and it was like, there's like no successful tight ends that ran as slow as

he did. Yeah, Like it's I mean, if there are such the smallest see, that's that's another one of those that freak you out there. Oh it freaks me out because again you're right about the guys, You're right about a little running back down there Florida Atlantic. Now you know you're right about him, but you're but you're also not a you're going he's not a four nine player. He's not a four nine. He's not a Yeah, I'm surprised Burglar didn't come up with that one. Oh he's

made that joke before. Yeah, that's more combine guys that I think we need to talk about. Your sinner Bradbury. Yeah, he's a first round Oh yeah, get ready for that. You're going to teams easily bam, ragmouse style. Yeah, because he's a guy that if you especially for you a zone team workout was good. You need a center. Okay, draft and plug him in. You're fine. Um. Another guy who helped himself. I thought a lot. Justin Lane from Michigan State Corner like that guy. He to me, I

think he's my fourth corner. Now behind Greedy. Where do you got Murphy? It's gonna kill Murphy because he's short. No, No, I guess he will. Murphy's actually my top corner. I'm with you, Oh, Murphy, Greedy, I'm with you. So who you put? You put Murphy over Greedy with? Well, they were they were stacked for me. The entire way. So I'm giving buyer in the edge. It only took five years day for him to actually like a player that

I like. Oh that's they all agreed way more often than you don't, Murphy Greedy, you're going down the wrong road there. Yeah, I'm having second Yeah, rock your sin. And then justin lane, I think Rocus sin is gonna go higher than a lot of people. I think he's going I think he's gonna go before maybe who do you have your number? Three? Your sin? Oh? Your sin was three? Yeah, it two was Greedy Green. This is kind of my point that and I'm not he I think you got that list right. I like how you

say that with like awe in your voice. No no, no, no no no, I'm like, yeah, I like it. I like your list. And then at justin lane four, then I have DeAndre bakon R. Tell me about tell me about Lane again. Just tell me about what you like about him. Well, he's a former wide receiver who he's a long guy. Yeah, he converted to corner when he got to Michigan State, and he plays the position like he understands exactly what the route runners trying to do.

Puts himself in the position and make plays. Love the length, he's very good athlete or four five too exactly. You love the ball skill. So I think he's an ascending player, a guy that I'm going to sign up for if I need a corner in the late first round. Rock your sin justin Lane. Both those guys are on my radar. You think Lane as high as the first round? Yeah damn. He's number twenty eight overall on my board. Yeah that's nice. So where would he have started on your board? You

think where would he have initially? Would have been my pre combined? I think he was like my sixth or seventh corner, And then you just watch the workout and you're thinking, man, this guy's get movement, skills, can run exactly, he's better. I'm gonna if I have it, If I need to bet on him, I'll bet on the upside that he provides over what we've seen from DeAndre Baker from Georgia, which two really good players, I think, but

I'll go with the upside. I'll see who's got who got hurt a little bit as my guy Jouan Williams from Vanderbilt. You just you can't run a four to six four. Yeah, but watch the guy play on tape. Everybody killed that Iowa kid that's at the chargers. Now run a four to six four. You're not he was slow. He was slow, But we just what a Desmond King run. I'm looking at it. It is tough to run a four to six four if you're just watch the damn tape. Brugler. Yeah,

and he gets beat. Isn't there? If there, he gets his hands on people, he can win on the line if he if he does, yes, that's a fair that's fair. Yeah, but he just doesn't. He doesn't do it. Remember this conversation. Hellman, when I'm walking around the track, I don't know, Man, isn't there if there's four? There's one position where forty matters, isn't it corner? It's a stopwatch position? Yeah, no question. Uh, well, I don't think Desmond King ran the forty at the

combine and run him. I'm looking. I'm like, I don't want to see him. Four five five the WiFi is a big difference to four five five and four six four. I'm just telling you that nobody thought the guy could run. You guys are all like lining up against him. Oh, that's not true. He's also he's also a safety. He plays safety, he doesn't true, he doesn't play corner. That's true, just saying I think he can cover with Joe and William not if there are three steps behind him, he can't.

Teams that really covert the length of the position they're they're gonna like him. Um but okay, four six four does There was this talk before the combine. Speed. Oh, speed was a biggest question for him. I remember us kind of like glowing about this guy. Maybe I'll no, you are right, we were real high on this guy. Pretty combine. But I mean, put on the Georgia tape. I think that shows exactly and I wrote about this before the combine. The Georgia tape shows me exactly why

I am really intrigued by Joe one Williams. But also because you saw Ridley kind of beat him up a little bit several He got beat several times by receivers that just vertical off. You know, if he doesn't get if he doesn't press, doesn't get that contacted line of scrimmage, he's gonna get beat vertically, and he doesn't have to catch up speed. He's not gonna be able to impact at the school Nashville, Desmond King. Desmond King ran a four five one, so significantly better than four six four.

Now that there was questions about Desmond King's speed, You're right, there were right. There's a big reason why I fell to the fifth, no question. Yeah, and Joe one Williams, I mean, he's in my top one hundred. It's not like I, okay and fifty nine took a beating on that BOSA and I had him in the top ten. Everybody acts like I didn't even have him on the board. A little bit different when you're talking about top ten picks. Two other guys I want to mention a money hooker

from Iowa ran much better than I expected. Yeah, he didn't play fast. He does, he doesn't play that fast. Yeah, but his intelligence, his IQ, she instincts all off the charts and so so the film. But the film shows you he doesn't play fast. But it's kind of like, you know, it's uh, there's a little bit of Desmond King there where he doesn't always same school. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't always play that fast. But I'm I don't know, I'm gonna bet on the tape and bet on the instincts.

That I think he has. And then Tristan Hill from Central Florida, Okay, defensive tackle who I think has put himself on the top one hundred discussion. As long as the maturity checks out, that's a big question with him. As long as teams are okay with the character, he's a top one hundred player. All right, Hey, thanks a lot for that. I appreciate that, David, thank you very much. When we come back, we're gonna twitter on the twenty.

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you crave. Heeps. Everyone is at Ko, co founder of the Draft Show, and it's time for Twitter on the twin Twitter on the twenty. Take it away, tiny Jim, appreciate that, Eddie. I love we get better every year. I love it all right. Hop right into Twitter on the twenty. Not directly twenty nineteen draft related, but it is pertinent to our interests. Question from Mike Emmanuel Ogba. You remember the name Cowboys famously had him drafted from

right out in front of them in twenty sixteen. Have that happened a couple of different times in the drafts? Big part of the reason why they wound up with Jalen Smith. I'd say they're probably pretty happy about the way at all about that way they worked out. But the we're on the street is that the Cleveland Browns are shopping him now that they have Olivier Vernon to pair with Myles Garrett. Would you try to acquire him from Cleveland. What would you give up to get him?

I think you saw a twitter from you was fifth round. See what they would do? That's what I would do. Offer a fifth round pick. See what they think about that? Because he has not lived up to being the top pick in the second round, he's in a contract year. The value is not gonna be high. If the if the Browns get anything better than a fourth I'd be shocked. Yeah,

magical John Dorsey working, maybe right? And I think maybe you just you try to get creative, maybe swap spots in the fourth round or you know, Dallas's got the two compensed toys. We keep talking about those. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to give up a fourth Okay, I just I mean, if well we see I wonder if you could do it for a twenty twenty. Is that too low of the price, or make it a well

conditional conditional because he probably might not sign back with you. Well, making conditional where if he gets uh, you know, over five sacks, then it's a fourth rounder. If it's below five sacks or the fifth rounder. Yeah, I worry about his instincts when I watch him play. I think he's got the trades I think he's got the physical traits. I don't see an instinctual player when I watch him play. That's fair definitely, so I wouldn't I I don't know. I mean I look at this draft again and I

just I look at defensive ends. I look at defensive tackles. You know, I'm totally yeah, sure, I love to draft. I think I think you're better off doing it that way. I just look at it from a practical standpoint. Man again, like what can these guys offer the minute they get here? And when you're talking about defensive end, right, the lower you go down the pecking order, the less likely it is. I mean, what did Dorian's Armstrong give you this year? Like,

I mean he was fine? He was he was pick one sixteen, He's not supposed to be a star, but he played in fourteen games. He can healthy scratch a couple of times he finished with like ten tackles. Maybe, yeah, well, and how how they're all in for this year? We know that, but how much all in are they? You know it may all go hast me better than any fourth round defensive end. Yes, you take this year, he probably will be better than any defensive end you get

at fifty eight. I think unless unless you really nail it, and I mean which you could. But so if they're all in for this year, then you know, maybe you do give up a fourth, you know, just to give you that immediate death. And the other variable here is we just don't know what they're thinking. Is in Randy Gregory well exactly, Well that's my You can't count on Randy Gregory. You can't. And right now, he don't know

what the future holds for Tank. I mean, I expect him to be on this team, but what kind of condition will he be in? YadA YadA, YadA. Agba could start even if they don't need him to start, he could rotate. Okay, I would be better than Zach Allen Boston College. Uh this year. Yes, you're talking about a guy that's been in the NFL for three years and not really and now we're talking about trade. But again, going into a contract year where he's gonna be a

little a little more extra motivation is motivating. Okay, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do. That's a Mickey Spagnola thing I just did. It isn't it isn't a It's not a perfect comparison. But again, like think about Connor Williams. You're like, well, he's gonna need a year to really get up to where he's supposed to be a guy like a manual. Agba needs no time at all. He's been through the wars. For lack of a better analogy, let me ask you this though, Okay, I ho about Nelson,

Anthony Nelson from Iowa, same way, is it, Allen? I'd rather have Anthony Nelson than I'd rather have Nelson on a rookie on track then Ogba for one year. Yeah, well you could. I mean you could have both. You could draft anything Nelson at fifty eight and still get aug But that's what we're talking about. Ogba's being a fourth or fifth round or not second or third round. I would not give up anything more than probably a fifth. I would be reluctant to give up one of the fourths.

But if if you could get them for a low price, sign me up. What do you think they're going to use that second fourth four if you had to guess, well, the fact that you can trade it, yeah, you know, get creative. You know you're you're thinking they're going to use as a move right, Oh yeah, you guys know, I love a segue. Stephen says, well, so it's sort of related that. Speaking of pass rushers, speaking of comp picks, Stephen says, we're in round two. Would the Cowboys need

to move up to get Jalen Ferguson? What would it take to get there? He's thinking you could use a comp pick. I am tempted to think not so much. And I know you can use those picks to move around. But once you start talking about day three picks, yeah, points right, I mean a fourth round pick probably moves you up what four or five spots? Yeah? Um? How high do you think you need to get to get Jalen Ferguson? They're at what fifty eight right now? Yeah? Defensive?

Why do I kind of have this vibe that he's gonna be somewhere between forty and forty six someone right in that? I mean, I think you're gonna Yeah, I think that's he's. I think people are getting on board with this guy. Sure, yeah, he's If you start talking about the comparisons, well, you know him DeAndre Walker that you know Georgia, we know that kind of the same, you know, and the kid maybe you don't do you like the kid at Old Dominion. I mean he's simious. Yeah,

he's he's a light guy. I don't think he fits this team. You know, it's kind of he's like Chase Winovich, you know where he see somebody had I think doubt they had somebody mocking him to hear the like at ninety I saw that. I mean, he's a past rusher, but I don't know if he looked so slight on tape. But two hundred and forty pounds stop, well, he was at the Senior Bowl. De Marcus Lawrence was like two forty five when he was in college, for whatever that's worth.

He's two fifty three at the Combine. Zeminz was, um, you know in the third round. Yeah, sure, I mean I'd be okay with that. I mean that's where I have. Zeminz is a late third round pick yea on my board, so that makes sense. But for Jalen Ferguson, yeah, I mean listen, he's especially after these guys fly off the board, you know, the Bosas, the Allen's, the Montes, sweats um a run get ready, those guys are gonna go early top twenty and then a little bit of a drop

off to that next tier of defensive ends. Where's that going to be Probably early to mid second round. So Jalen Ferguson could be off the board and at thirty five, or he could be there at forty five. But I think, I think, just in my mind, I'm seeing a guy between forty and forty five. Yeah, I think if I had to close my eyes and think, Okay, where's he gonna go forty to forty five somewhere right there to get there from fifty eight, you're probably using your third

ground pick. Yeah, exactly. So I'm which, hey, if you feel like that's your guy, whatever, I'm just saying, I don't think your comp pick is gonna get you there. No, it won't. I got a good scout question for y'all from Blake uh talking safeties, purely hypothetical. Washington's tailor rap Mississippi States Jonathan Abram and Virginia's one Thornhill. Take three of the I mean three of the bigger say, I mean three, probably the three biggest safeties unless I'm forgetting

somebody Thompson natterally won. But yeah, okay, okay, three of the bigger names. They're all there at fifty eight. Who's the best fit for you? This guy says he He says, I know which one I like which. Kudos to you, Blake for the pun, but I say it's a rap. We're just going fun heavy here. I love it. Thank you, Ken. Uh No, I mean yeah, give me the best player at that point, I mean, why you best? In my opinion, raps the best out of those three. Uh. Instinctually, he's

he has everything you want. He's a good athlete. Uh played back up, he could tackle, He's a finisher, exact blitz. He's more of that strong than a free But he's not like a strictly in the box guy. I mean he could move. I mean he had under a four short shuttle. Yeah, he can move. So what he brings to the field, that instinctual approach. I'm betting on those guys the same reason I like the money hooker. Um.

I like One Thornhill. I don't think he played necessarily as fast as he ran, and you know, the jumps are great, but I don't know. I'm not all gung ho on One Thornhill as some other people. Yeah, I think that to me, the four best safeties in this draft or or addaie, Rap, Abram and Thompson. That's what I think right now. I know a lot of people have Thornhill in there. Take him at fifty eight. I think that one of these I think one of these

other guys are going to be there. I think I think I think the guy that's most likely be there. And I don't know how much you really like him, Dane. It's Thompson from Alabama. He seems like to me that he's going to be the last guy that that when this thing gets to fifty eight, it might be that you might see Rap and Abram Adderly, of course, go and now it's like, okay, do you want Thornhill or

do you want Thompson? And I would take Thompson over Thornhill myself, so would I. You don't sound like you'd be excited about it, though I would be. You know what, I've got a second round grade on Thompson, though my safeties go Adderly. You didn't argue with what I said. You're just kind of like, h no, but no, but if but if, okay, what if? Focus on again on the Cowboys? Okay, what fifty eight? What's gonna be the best position? What's going to be the most depth at

a position for them. At fifty eight, you keep talking about d tackle. It's so hard when you're talking about, you know, fifty eight picks into the draft, because yeah, it could be a lot of runner, could be sure wide receiver, could be my safeties go Adderley Rap, Abram Gardner, Johnson, Yeah, a lot of people like him, Deante Thompson, then Wan Thornhill. Yeah, so you and Kati Kivin Turner on that, Gardner, Johnson, Boat, I think and all six of those guys would be

in the conversation at fifty eight. Now, I think, you know, how would you take it ninety if it got there? Who you got somebody? You got somebody going to the third round? You take Darnell Savage from Maryland last that far? I'd love to have him in the late third round if I don't think he's gonna last that long. Would you take a Gant? He's number nine for me safety? So yeah, I got a late third. He just missed my top one hundred. Gant is the Marshall kid, right, Yeah, yeah,

I thought, awesome play speed, He'll knock you knock your round. Um. Can I ask a real quick question of you. What do you guys? Just trndmitted TEXTI about the Pratt kid from North Carolina state linebacker. Und what did you think about him? I like, sorry, David hijacking. He hijacked the first segment. He's my number four linebacker man, former safety. Man. You didn't like him? Man like man? I love this kid. Yeah, I have a yeah, second third round grade whole name.

What's Germaine Prett? Germermaine Pratt? Yeah, I'm sorry I do that. He's number sixty seven overall on my board. Bush a White Bush Wilson Pratt over the Hawaii kid, Yep, that's mine. Toby's number five is number five on my linebacker. I'm sorry about that, folks. Yeah, No, Pratt and he worked out well around what four or five seven to a tape? Really good it is. He's a physical player. Yeah, he has range. Yeah, and he's former safety, so you think

he'll project better and you get better in coverage. So I thought that was gonna be a weak group up top. It's not. It's not a weak group, you know. I think there's some good value there with those guys. With those four guys, I'm still pretty happy that Cowboys don't have to worry about it. I think you're right table. Do you think Pratt can play safety? I mean he's two hundred forty pounds maybe. Okay, you sound like my Twitter mentions right now, like, oh, move Sean Lee to safety,

he won't get hurt. Okay, Um, all right, well, okay, these work well with the first segment because we're very good talking about adjusting values after after the combine. I know we've talked about him before, but my buddy Mitch wants to know. And I'm curious too, what where's where's our buddy little Jordan Humphrey at these days? Because I feel like he is. His stocks dropped a little bit. I'm hearing him on Daoastay visit by the way, Yeah, that would make sense. It wouldn't make sense. Uh he

does him in a minute. Who you know? When he declared, I'm like, okay, this sounds like a Day two guy. But is that is that true? Because I know, yeah, it seems like he's like a well when we watch dropping, we watched the tip, what do we get? We get him like a four or five something like that I can't remember. And then the combine was not kind to him at all, how about I have a team with him and Naa and you know, yeah, just get all the slow guys on it and I'll get the guy

Juwan Williams. I'll get him too. Now the great draft. See how you do Humphries. He's basically a tight end. That's how he was used and that's how you project him in the NFL, that big slot receiver who you don't want him lining up in line, but you want him to manipulate the middle of the field, go in between levels of the defense. And you know he's got strong hands, he can help you out on crossers. He's a move the chain type of guy. He's he can

high point, but he's not going to run routes. He's not going to you know, create all types of seffy. I'm kind of looking at myself like, why do I have him in the fourth round? He doesn't He just for whatever you and I'm not always right, but you just kind of get feels about guys, and he doesn't feel like a Cowboys pick to me. No, not again. They'd have to shift philosophies and go to that big slot. Yeah.

I don't think they don't, which I don't know if their next slot receiver will be as small as Cole Beasley. But you don't see them wanting a six. Three guys put Slaton from Auburn my top one hundred. I knew you would. Yeah, he's numb, one hundred. He just made it one more. Yeah, one morning, we got it. We got all. It's the same thing, same question, different guy from stad. Uh Stanley Morgan Junior, a name we've heard a little bit about it. Boys sniffing, yeah, a little yeah,

kinda yeah. So tell me something New Orleans kid who I think I knew that. Actually he was teammates with U Fournette at what St. Augustine saying, Okay, great band, by the way, very good band. Um, And you know, goes into Nebraska and he's the most productive receiver Nebraska has ever produced, which you know, we consider option offense history, but playing wide receivers at quarterback all that good type of stuff, but still pretty impressive. You know, went over

a thousand yards this past year. First Nebraska receiver to do that. Uh, not going to really the speed, the deep speed isn't going a while. You corners gonna to sit on the underneath stuff. But he's got strong hands. I think that he runs with purpose in his routes um and so he's a possession guy. He doesn't have that extra gear, There's no question about that when you watch forty. Yeah, but that he ran a lot better. Yeah, because the tape, the tapes. I mean, this guy, he's

got toughness about him. And I see why the Cowboys were looking at him though, And I mean I I just kind of like it. Liked him as a blocker. You know, there's things that he was doing. He was doing a lot of dirty work stuff and I kind of appreciate it. And I just kept burying him and burying him and burying him with all these other wide receivers. And it's a probably a mistake on my part, you just saying that because you know the Cowboys are interesting. No, No,

it's just it's a loaded position. No, it is. It's it's a loaded position because I initially thought this kind doesn't run well enough, and then he goes and gets a decent time, and I'm thinking, but I didn't see it on the tape. But then again, Dane's right. You watch him, he makes contested catches, he goes and gets the football. I mean, you watch the Nebraska quarterback. That thing is a disaster. That thing is an absolute disaster to have to watch play and he doesn't get chances.

He doesn't give me chances. The final two lines of my report on him one speed player NFL corner to be able to sit on underneath rounds because he lacks a juice to strike fear into coverage. Overall, Morgan isn't a true deep threat with only average on field athleticism, but his play strength ball skills can be an asset projecting as a bottom of the roster NFL receiver doesn't have that extra gear burst. That was my last What would you give him? Grade wise? I put him in

the sixth. I gave him five to six, So yeah, I'm with him. Can you do inside and outside? He was? He did both on tape, so you know I theoretically, yeah, cowboys were looking in for something. They must be looking at the toughness aspect of him. Yeah, the toughest in the extending for catches. How does he compare to Cedric Wilson. Wilson I a little more juice, I think, Yeah, I think we had Wilson the sixth round two. Yeah, Well that's where the cowboys got him exactly exactly all right,

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and conditions applying. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft You Cowboys on the Clock back here in the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Brian broad Us, Dame Burglar, David Helman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing David is there any news about cowboy news going on right now that we can report about or anything like that. Sounds like the Cowboys have finally started dipping their toe into free agency. Just nothing that's gonna nothings off Christian, is it Christian? Yeah? Covington, Yeah,

it's it's intriguing. You look up his resume, sixth round pick from twenty fifteen right with Houston. Got a Scotner report on him there, just remember him Dane Yeah, no from Rice. Uh, He's a guy who I think can interchangeably play some one, play some three. Um was he a three four? I mean, I gotta look at the guy that he played end in Houston, which is a three four. He's gonna probably play inside here. Three and a half sacks last year, which I'm sure he benefited

from having Clowney and one, but it helps. Three and a half sacks fifteen tackles. Purely a depth signing, but yeah, a guy that I'd love to have him as part of my rotation. I mean, I'm more than happy to let him get some reps at one technique. Like, not not a splashy signing, but it sounds solid. It reminds me they got Terrell McClean from Houston a few years ago. It's very similar to that, and then um, the other one, I thought, I saw Tavon Austin. Austin free upped, which, like,

that's not super surprising. He's been hanging out here all off season. He has been He's been here working out and stuff like that. I've been seen him in the cafe tiers. So maybe that's your I'm your or your punt return guy. I mean a little juice there. Assume he's obviously going to be the favorite to be your return man. I'm curious, you know, what, if any steak he's going to have in the slot situation, Like, it's

curious he makes the team? Are the Cowboys? I think he would make the team, well depend on who they get the slot and stuff like, well, if you get Samuel, he could return kicks for you too. I'm I'm nervous about the idea of Tavon being the slot receiver, which so I want to see what else they do, who else they take away? They prepped him that whole week for the Giants game, and then Beasley went yeah, yeah, yeah, so I don't know, but okay, good to have him

back as a you know, return guy, gadget guy. Whatever. Okay, as we carry on these last fifteen minutes of our programming. Here today we do something. I love this. This is one of my favorite I love Twitter on the twenty because of interaction with the fans, but I also love tell me more. I just love I love yeah production, not because that's song, but yeah. I like people get

so excited for this segment. Like people start submitting me guys like the day we start and we're not We're not there, not there yet, but what keeps submitting Yeah, we're gonna we'll get to him. So well, So I'm gonna start off, which this is a Senior Bowl guy. My buddy Dan on Twitter has literally been asking me about him since January. So, uh, tell me more about Michigan State safety carry Willis please. Uh. First off, I think he's there's a Baron Jones state future state senator

type of guy. Oh yeah, he's got the grade off the field. So he's the right, right kind of guy. He is a right let's go exactly. He's the type of guy that's going to be a leader. He's gonna be vocal and type of guy when he speaks, everybody stops listens, and you know, takes what he has to say, um. On the field, I think he's has a very average skill set, you know. Yeah, I think in the House chamber he's not gonna be asked to turn and backpedal

like he needs to. I mean he'll he'll go, He'll get to the podium and be fine, look, you know, look good standing there. I want your politicians to backpedal anyway. They don't want to backpedal. It takes it takes this guy some time to turn. And I don't think he has the range. No, I worry about his range. I do worry about his ability to close. It is something.

I mean I remember watching some players thinking Northwestern ball going down the field and it was like he was running in mud and I just kind of went, ah, please, I don't need my safety doing that. But yeah, he's Dane's absolutely right about the off the field stuff. Tremendous guy. But I just do not see a guy that's star. Yeah, I don't think. But the one thing is I will give him credit for being a tackler. The guy will wrap up and tackle that's in at four or five

five speed. You think, okay, special teams back up like you could do a lot worse than this. Guy right right, another backlogged one. We all know our friend Bobby Belt. He love Bobby. He's been beating me down about Michael Dogby out of temple for weeks, so tell me more about him too. One of the top uh combine snubs this year. It's amazing watching the tape. That guy did

not get invited the combine. Yeah, it's really confusing because he's Yeah, the tapes impressive and this past year is productive. He had twelve and a half tackles for the last lost seven sacks. Uh. You love just the motor. He doesn't ever stop. No, it doesn't stop. And look technique wise, he's all over the place. His hands are very aggressive, very active, but they're all over the place. He tries, he tries to use this. I mean it's it's like

watching a windmill. It's you know, it's this his pads they go upright up right. Yeah, you know. So the technique needs a lot of work, but the motor doesn't quit. He has some pop in his upper body. Uh, quick feet, he can cross the face of blockers and make plays in the backfield range. Yeah, he's the type of player, by the way, right when you're looking to round out fission flex absolutely because he did. He played defensive He was a linebacker h school, moved to defensive end, played

some defensive tackle. He was actually there starting nose tackle at Temple, but played any everywhere from the one to the five. He's a guy that if I'm looking a round out my defensive line depth chart, but he's a guy to be targeting fifth, sixth round and yeah, feel good. He's kind of absolutely right the whole thing with it. I like what I'm hearing here, you know, I mean this guy though it's it's one of those things that

I literally liked how he can redirect. I mean, I saw a guy that like, Okay, it's over here, now it's over here. I mean he was you see a guy with some athletic ability. And again for him not to go to the the combine, that's a big miss by the guys putting that list together. Like this kid's gonna get drafted and he's and like Dane says, you see five six kind of there. That's what I gave him. But I think maybe I have a five on him. Yeah, I thought he was more of a five myself, is

what I thought. But I have a flat five on him. No, no problem with this guy. I've made it pretty clear that I don't want to spend a lofty pick on a tight end, but maybe a down the line guy might be a good thing for this team. So tell me more about Washington's Drew sample. So this guy, to me, he he should be considered. You know, we're not. We're not concerning him high enough. Is that what you're saying. Yeah, I mean he's a top one hundred twenty one player. Yeah,

I'm not giving him his just due. Well, I'm thinking of him as a Day three guy. Well, which that's still day Yeah, he probably is a Day three guy. It'd be a little surprised. But I mean you think like a Will Disiley. He's better and Will Disiley and Disley was a fourth round pick last year. You got better than did ye? Thank you for acknowledging he's better than Brian's crush of all crushes, Will Disley, who was on his way to a great rookie season was before

we got hurt. He got hurt at one point. This guy's at one point I could. Yeah, I don't know if I could do it anymore, but at one point I could. I would pay good money to see you, like actually get to make these calls both of y'all. That'd be fun and that was fun in Philadelphia. Why this guy's better than Disley? Yeah, and I read up on him a little bit, and no, this guy is better than Disley. He is absolutely better than the problem with him was, you're like a sample size. We didn't

have it he I mean he had. He had single digit catches every year up until his senior year. Uh, finally got a chance to be a little bit more and he took advantage in twenty five catches. Um. So he's a guy that he's already married. You know, he's got a professional mindset. He's gonna give you, uh, really consistent reps as a blocker. He's not going to let you down as a pass catcher. Needs to get better

with his routes and just being more consistent. But he's shown me enough on tape where I think he can do it. So Drew sample, If I'm looking for a tight end in the fourth round, he'd be on my shortlist. Yeah. And you know, I will say this guy does play in line like Will Disley did. He's I think he's a little bit better. I think where Disley had him came to blocking. I think Disley was a little bit

better handling those down linemen. He's not as powerful, He's not a but the but the routes that they run, you know, it's as crazy underneath stuff they asked him to do. Do you talk about the sample size and stuff like that. But this guy, I when when you when you put on the tape, he does a good job of handling those like linebackers and stuff like that. So I would not I would not be opposed to having this guy in your football. So like, where do you your tight ends? Do you have him? Foster Moreau

LSU tight end? I like Foster Moreau just because he's an LSU. So you have who do you have hire, Sample or Moreau? I would have sample Hire Okay. I actually have Raymond from Utah State above him is what I have. So I had those guys in the fourth round, Raymond Sample, Cadence Smith from Stanford, and then I like the Maze from Notre Dame Maze may oh Mac Elize Mac? Is it mac is how you say it? Yea? His last name is Mac. His first name is Elize. Okay, I messed it up. I'm my partner. But Mac is

this last name? Okay, Notre Dame. I have those guys all in that range right there. My apologies there, Um, you already alluded to it. Start to hear the whispers about Dallas day, Dallas's rife with football talent. LL me more about Divine Ozigbo, the running back out of Nebraska, another combined snubbs Tales from Saxy Tech. Say absolutely, yeah, I don't know ten miles east of here. It's not too far, he was, Is he too SAXI to come here? Oh god, we're shows off the rails now yeah? Uh

he's yeah. Like you said, he's going to be one of the first Combine snubs to be drafted, probably in the mid rounds Um, he really had that senior year that you were hoping for. Didn't have the production his first three years, then his senior year goes over a thousand yards. He averaged seven yards of carry. Uh. He's just He's a straight lionish guy a little bit, but he runs with pop. Uh. He has some a looseness in his lower body where he can swerve away from uh,

from defenders. He's What I really like about him is toughness and pass pro When he was given a chance to be a receiver at the backfield, he took advantage of it. He caught the football. So he's just a physical, hard charging back. And if I'm looking for a running back in day three, he's he'd be on my shortlist first. This guy's gets him complete back to him, Dan Dane has got him right. And at five eleven two twenty seven,

you know, four or five ages. Someone's gonna fall in love with this guy because he's right about the toughness on the blitz pick up. That's one of the first things you notice about how he'll step up and hit, which is something you usually complain about when you're talking about college running. No, this guy can block. I think he's a little bit of a straight line runner. Though, Yeah, I don't see I don't see but much wiggle with him.

But I do see a tough guy. I do see a guy that when they put him in the flat that catch the ball and he can adjust they put him why he wheels. Yeah, he wins the absolutely. They did other games. I think it was Michigan. I was watching. They did a wheel route and got him open. I mean, this guy, he's got some complete back to him. And so if you're looking for that guy that can blitz, pick up, catch the football and run it when they hand it to him, this guy's your guy, right When

can I get him? I had him in I had him in the fifth Day three. Yeah, that sounds about right. I mean, he's there's a lot of really good backs and it's hard to it's hard to jump backs with this guy. And I know I talked greatly about him. But if you if you're thinking about it, guy, you're thinking, oh, this guy is probably a seventh round or undrafted free agent guy whatever. Nah, not this guy. This guy's got some legitimate skill to himself. The fact that he can pass,

protecting and catch the ball. That's what's going to separate him from maybe a right Quall Armstead from Temple or Jordan's Scarlett from Florida some of these other guys on day three. So as we stack these Day three running backs, which I'm still working through myself, Um, you know, I think Ozigbo is gonna be a guy we like more and more, which I don't want to doubt y'all's evaluations. But this goes back to the first segment, though, who's

the who's the kid? Um, Central Michigan running back wound up in Seattle. Uh, yeah, it was at Michigan, has the character stuff cowboys tried to get him. Why can't I remember this guy's name? Damn it. I know it's gonna bother me too. Um, you're asking a fifty five year old guy to remember my name? I know, I know Thomas Rawls. Um, yeah, they went through. All I'm saying is again, these guys fall for whatever reason. There's only two hundred and fifty six picks and something to

keep in mind. He's gonna be at Dallas day. He's gonna be a guy they have familiarity with. So I don't know, just saying maybe maybe that's a guy you're on the phone with on day three, like, hey, you got another guy for us day. I saved the Brugler special for last Uh what we we did? Four Power five guys and one and Temple is a very good non Power five program. This is a school that I didn't even know how to football team. Oh god, I know, I know for a fact. I know for a fact

that Brian hasn't seen him. Brian actually said, I I can't find tape on this guy. No, No, I found tape. You just didn't have time to watch. I didn't have time to really watch it. Dane, if you can tell me more about Brodie Oliver wide receiver from the Colorado School of Mine. Yes, are you shout out? Shout out to Brian for the suggestion. Yeah, sixty three, about two hundred ten pounds. He's he's a D two guy. Uh. The reason I do know him fairly well, it is

because he's a shrine guy. Because you're sick that Yeah, he's my number the Colorado School of mines great school, my number four small school wide receiver. Okay, he's got this thing broken down into the small school wide receiver. The top three, you're the top three Keylands from UC Davis. Know that name? Jazz Ferguson from Northwestern State, Yeah, north Jaalen's little brother. Yeah, former LSU receiver. Oh yeah, that

actually sounds familiar. Kelvin McKnight from Samford number three, Peter works and nephew. And then Brodie Oliver fourth. Who you know he's in that seventh round PFA range. Uh. Really productive guy. He had over four thousand yards receiving. Uh, big body, he's you like his frame. You like his ability to catch outside his frame? Uh? Needs to. He's not gonna beat you with speed, but he does show some detailed focus to his routes at the stem, his

ability out of his brakes. Uh, I can't. He's a guy that you know, who's my guy from Penn last year that like Justin Watson. Yeah, he's not gonna run as fast as Watson, but I think they're similar players in ways. I'll tell you what I did before makes three You said six three two? Await I saw just a glimpse of this guy. Right. He plays in the slot. He's a slot player. He's a big slot player. Was there a field? Was there a bounce house? In the

background of the tape. We were not watching tape of Hobert? Now sorry, we did we watch tape of We watched tape of Alderson brought us and and Dane made fun. He goes, I didn't think that's a real school. Alderson brought us. They came backfiring and the like, they're five people in the stands. We're gonna start cheating here. Get ready, all right, so I can Brodie Oliver big slot I'm in.

I'm intrigued. No, but yeah, Carl Ross school of minds, he'll end up with the Denver Broncos probably, Yeah, Philip lindsay, yeah, no, they'll they'll end up. Yeah, he'll end up. He'll end up someone at the at the end of the draft, we're all laughing and we'll say, okay, where did Brodie Oliver go? Oh he end up with the Denver Broncos. Hey. By the way, all right, real quick before we go, you know, we like I always like to do this. Predict right now who the Cowboys are gonna take at

fifty eight. Just predict if you know me, I like to throw. I mean that I threw the Layton Vandera sho out there in light of the in light of Earl Thomas signing in Baltimore. And you know, like I said, this is just I got my guy. You don't want to I bet it will be I don't. I mean, if I had to get like Jonathan Abram, fine, safe Jonathan or maybe Taylor Rap one of those guys. So you're going one of the safeties. Yeah, do you have a guy I'll go with the defense tackle. Um, let's

go run. You're going I'll go run. Can I see the list of thirty visitors first, like, can I at least I've just you know me, Like we were talking about Vanderesh and I just said, they're gonna draft I was, I was running yesterday. I'm like, I'm gonna do this these guys. They're gonna take Zach Allen at fifty eight Boston College defensive end. I could see that. I'll tell you what. They're gonna work him at defensive end. They're gonna work him with a defensive tackle. He's Tyron Crawford ish. Yes,

I Mark, this is my latent Vanderesh moment. So we all think defense. We all think defense. I can't get I can't get any love for Deebo Samuel Well maybe you will, okay, but that's my guy. All right. Hey, that is all the time we have for the day. Thanks everybody out there for joining us. I want to thank my scouting buddies, Dane Burglar, David Hellmann. Here's the executive producing UH. Next week will once again closer to

our date in Tennessee for the NFL Draft. It's one hundredth season of the National Football League and we'll make sure you have everything covered for you from the draft. From that perspective, So you guys, take care, have a great week, and keep invest sigating all that tape. Take care, M