Draft Show: Piquing Their Interest?

foremost means it's Angie Hellman's birthday. I'm mama. Yeah, yeah, if you're listening, Mom, I think you might be happy birthday. Love you. I'm David Hellman. It's also a new episode the Draft Show, brought to you by Miller Light. Like the Big Voice said, we're all together once again. Jeff, Brian, Kyle Fellas. It's getting spicy, like the bullets. The bullets are flying, which I wanna think you should say. Okay, that's it is. It's maybe regrettable, but common sports parlance. Okay,

it's getting interesting. It is April. I'm gonna do it again. I'm gonna give y'all a choose your own adventure just because these are the two things I want to hit um if you live under a rock. We got a pretty good idea of who the Cowboys are bringing to the facility on their top thirty visits. We also have a gigantic draft trade yesterday that shook up the first round a little bit between the Philadelphia Eagles, Philadelphia Eagles and the New Orleans Saints. I don't where would you

rather start? I think probably here in Cowboyland. We're a little bit more interested in the names that are going to be coming through this facility, a few of which are here right now. You're influencing the jerry right now we go there, which one on which direction to go? Which is kind of messed up after saying we could choose, I would you rather start with the trade? No? I think you made a great point. Yeah, Cowboys, you're right.

I've talked to it. I don't know what the Saints are doing, though, I talked it through myself and I was like, no, let's start with the visits. I think the I think the Saints are going to trade again. You think they're trying to I think they probably. They're probably looking at it. How can they get ahead of Carolina? It's what they're thinking about. I think I think the quarterback run will start at Carolina potentially, So that's where I think. I think. I don't think the Saints are

done trading. I think they're they're thinking about moving one more time. So it sounds like we're starting there. Good point. So like, no, I mean, I just saying that, if I mean the thirty visit things are the most important. I think that. I think two things have happened here, both teams looking for a quarterback, but in a different way. I think that I think the Saints maybe having their eye on it's like Willis or somebody like that, maybe pick it, and then they're going to try and make

one more trade. Yeah, we'll see, And then I think the Eagles on the other end, realize that they've evaluated the quarterback market. The owner and the general manager of come out in support of Jalen Hurts. They're going to evaluate him for one more year, and then next year they're going to make the move if they have to. I love the Eagles thought process here, to be honest. They do a good job. They do a really good job with how they move around the board, how they

share yourself. Yeah, multiple first round picks two years in a row. You can still I mean it would be fun to have three, but you can still add two first round picks to your roster. And if Jalen Hurts stinks up the joint exactly, you're very well positioned to move on. And then you know what if the Saints don't find their quarterback and then all of a sudden that pick turns into like a top six or seven pick, and now you're now you're sitting really well with those guys.

Do you think there's any chance whatsoever that the Saints are going up to maybe get one of those tackles too, and very well, just because they lost Armstead to Miami, they don't necessarily have a starting left tackle at the moment. Do they go and get one of the tackles? Doesn't have to be in the top five, it's just top ten, period. It just seems like that you wouldn't give next year's win. But the Saints with Sean Payton have done stuff where they moved in. They gave up a next years want

to go get a defensive end? Yeah, same regime. Yeah, so yeah, tackle quarterback. I mean, they're they're going to get somebody. But I don't think the Saints are done moving. That's what I'm That's what I'm thinking. I think this illustrates that this is kind of the fun of the NFL, and it's the fun of the draft is that teams do things different ways because they think it's the best way to win. The Saints are hyper aggressive. Yeah, and my brain, I think that the Eagles won this trade

in the landslide. Now, nobody knows until you pick the players you pick, but in a vacuum, the Eagles won this. By every measurable value chart, whatever you want to use. The Eagles won this trade, and they're taking advantage of the fact that people devalue later picks, whereas the Saints they don't care about anything but today. And I know there's a lot of Cowboy fans that want the Cowboys

to operate that way. I love what the Eagles did because they're saying, no, I'm gonna win over the long haul, I am going to win this trade. You're gonna feel good on Thursday. I'm gonna feel good for five years. And like that's I think Cowboy fans have that battle happening right now where a lot of people are like, I want it now, I want it now. I want it now. And I'm one of the weirdos who's like, no,

just build, always just build. I think you can do both though, And I mean the counter to that is the Saints are gonna feel great if this turns into the next Patrick Mahomes. Obviously, sure that's easier said than done, which okay, it's a wonderful point that they did this for Marcus Davenport four or five years ago, whatever draft that was. I think, oh no, I mean, he hasn't been terrible, but he certainly hasn't been worth ha been worth that move. It's weird to be the team that

is trading up like the Saints are trading up. It's weird to be the team that's trading up without knowing who's going to be available. Yes, it's like to me, that's but I'm gonna call it bad prossss. But you can have a feel or have called to the teams to think that you're gonna be able to move. That's why I think they're moving again. But you don't even

know there is there's precedent for this. The Eagles did it for Carson Wentz, Like yeah, we're originally fifteen or sixteen, they jumped up to nine or ten, and then they use that capital to jump on You can't know, like maybe your quarterback goes sixth and you're like, well, we're gonna get him when he gets down to it, and then on draft day he doesn't. You go, whoops. Well they that's why they're trying. They could do another trade before draft day, like they don't have to wait until

clock starts. Yes, but they know the Panthers are probably going to be that first team. Brian said it a moment ago. That's looking at a quarterback. So if they wanted to have an idea of where the quarterback would go, you would need to jump into the top five. Yeah, in order to be ensured that they're getting their guy.

Is it shocking to you at all that with all the dirt we've thrown on this quarterback class that and we don't know for sure that's what they're doing, but sure it's at least conceivable that that's what the Saints are doing. Is that shocking to you at all that somebody would move heaven and earth for one of these quarterbacks. I think there's a couple of ways I look at it. I really do Matt Correll would be my number one

guy on the board. But I think there's a really a group of guys out there and gals that really liked what Willis at Liberty could do. I think that day he kind of looks like a guy that could be what we've seen quarterbacks nowadays, the guy that's mob the mobilities outstanding, the armstring's outstanding, you know, the way that you know, there's there's touch he has on the ball, there's accuracy there. He's a little bit of a shorter guy.

But we've seen the shorter quarterbacks have some success. So yeah, I mean it's not I don't think it's the surefire thing. There's some teams that are very confident that they can evaluate quarterbacks, you know, and that you know, you know, the Saints are team that won games with bad quarterbacks, you know, so I mean maybe they feel like that they have a guy in mind. It might not be Willis, it might be Pickt. You know, it might be rare. I mean, you know, who knows how they see this thing.

You know, we were all kind of talking about Matt Jones last year, you know, and all of a sudden, you watch what Matt Jones I mean, we you know, everybody's saying at Jones, you know, going third overall that kind of stuff. Well, it looked like Matt Jones played well enough to where you should have considered him that high, you know. So I think that's the one position where nobody sees these guys the same, and they all kind of have a plan for what they have to want

to do. The only thing that's different about the Saints is they don't have their head coach calling the place, you know, but they have everything else in the offensive staff together and say, everything else is still in place though, right right right, So to me, I kind of feel like that that that would be. You know, these quarterbacks they blow you away. No, but I don't think it's I don't think they're all just just complete bums either. Do you feel any better that at least, I mean,

obviously those picks are still going to happen. I feel a little bit better knowing that the Eagles only have two of those picks now instead of they have fifteen and eighteen or eighteen and eighteen. Yeah. Yeah, so they're still a wide receiver problem. Extra one and extra two and okay three, that's your draft Show's problem in twenty twenty four or twenty twenty three, not right now? Yeah, yeah again. The Saints view was for today. The Eagles

view was for next week. Sure, because I love the thought that if Jalen Hurts struggles, they are very well positioned. They know you're you're into the draft. That's just sorry. If it's the Eagles, I'm sure that bums you out, But like that's just smart planning and Hurt is gonna play well, or you're gonna chase Bryce Young. Either way

that's fun. Yeah, but the Eagles getting Bryce Young or c J. Stroud probably doesn't make you very happy as a Cowboy fan based on what we say, all right, I mean we're not going to ignore the other big news. I mean, shoot, we've been joking for weeks like, oh, we're gonna we're gonna get some thirty visit names. You can't one hundred percent vouch for the authenticity of the whole thing. Plants change. Guys don't always make their trips, but the vast majority of this year's list hit the

internet late last week. Were there any big surprises for y'all or does this kind of follow the roadmap we assumed all along instead of surprise is can I just throw out my favorite? Sure, Gilanni Woods? The Cowboys are I had to flip this because our guy John Machoda is a real jerk, and put them in alphabetical order, and I want them in position group order. They're going to visit a show to put them in alphabetical order. Yeah, that is chaos. Yeah, you know how long it took

me to hit copy group baste. I had to move them into the Cowboys. Allegedly, you're going to visit four tight ends, and if you had to guess on their draft range, I think it goes anywhere from sixty to one hundred and twenty. Yep. The Cowboys are hunting their next tight end and it will likely be in the third or fourth round. And my favorite name on the list is Gilanni Woods from Virginia who was I believe

Oklahoma State for three years, transferred to Virginia. Had eight touchdowns last year and he looks like a baby giraffe playing with humans except strong. So like, there's so many fun traits with Gilanni's fun to watch him go downfield. He's my guy. He's four six, he's a big leeper, he's hard as held to tackle. He wears number zero. By the way, Virginia had a receiver that war ninety nine,

so watching their tape is really fun. Tight end wears zero, a receiver wears ninety nine, and they're tight end six foot six plus. Yeah, that's pretty six seven one. Yeah. He's sixty seven. Yeah, and he's two hundred and sixty pounds or whatever. And he is held a tackle and tested as maybe the most athletic tight end prospect in the history of the league. So like, he ain't perfect, but he's actually my tight end one, which I see for most people. He's four or five and there may

be more sure things to me. That's Marty b on steroids. That's what Jealani Woods is. I do think in a class where there's not a surefire like top forty tight end, that's it seems like a beauty is in the eye of the beholder kind of situation. What's getting held against my guy is that he's sixty seven and everybody else is five eleven. Yeah, and so he looks uncoordinated while he plays, but he's but he's not because the testing

numbers say that he's not. And this is to your point, David, I feel like the draft, being the way that it is, allows for a guy that is so tradey to elevate quicker than in other drafts where there is that surefire tight end that had the numbers, had the production, whereas what's had solid production. He wasn't a bum at Virginia by any means, but he wasn't up at the top of the list like some of these other guys were.

But the traits and the potential in the ceiling are all very enticing for a guy who could go in the second to to fifth round. Bring him to me. Any other any surprises, any names that really Yeah, they don't like your Iowa Center, I guess yeah, as far as we are aware, Yeah, Tylan Linderbaum is not scheduled to visit right. They've also I was surprised to Charles Cross from Mississippi State, and I think, Charles Cross, is you think that's a due diligence thing? You know what

I don't know? To me it is I need to ask what I have my gang of seven that I call on the radio that are guys that are working in the league, and I need to kind of figure out is Charles Cross really a slider? Have the media scouts made Charles Cross a top ten player, and in NFL eyes he's really not. He's a top sixteen player or top twenty player, And so I need to figure that one out right there. I think what's interesting if

you just look at the list and study. I know on my board I have five first round guys and everybody else is just either second, third, fourth round in this thing. That'd be Davis, the defensive tackle from Georgia, Lloyd, the linebacker from Utah a La, the Burkes, and Cross, as I mentioned, so you know they're hunting. They're hunting guys. I like what Jeff's talking about with the tight end stuff. I think they're also hunting, if you want to be

honest with the they're hunting these linebackers too. And they're not only Lloyd would be the first round one, but the other ones they're have, they're hunting that position. They're also hunting second round or third round defensive tackles as well. So I don't think that I could. I could with certainty believe that the twenty fourth pick is going to be an offensive player. It's either gonna be a wide receiver, it's gonna be and they've got a couple of guards.

I don't have Zion Johnson and Kenyan Green in the first round. Maybe they do, but that I could, I could with certainty say that they're having some questions about these these guards as well with all the wide receivers that they're bringing in. I think the wide receivers going back to like Jeff's point, when you're looking at where they're tabbing tight ends, the wide receivers that they're bringing in,

at least reportedly Burke's London Lave. I mean, those are three guys that are going to be first round prospects and or not available at fifty six at least. I mean, you would probably have to go trade up into the second round to go get one of those guys. So do they feel like that's a bigger need than where anticipating. I know we've talked about these guys a lot, but maybe it's more realistic than we initially thought to have a first round wide receiver. It's got to be music

to Jeff's ears. Just they clearly and it's music to my ears. I don't even have to say, you don't have to speak for just on that train. Well it is it They can't be satisfied with what they've done. If they are, they're setting themselves up for a bad time. And at the same time, and though these are it is it is a national storyline that they're looking at receivers. Ian Rapport reported yesterday that Burke's is visiting this week. Chris Olave, I believe, according to Adam Schefter's supposed to

be here today. And then on top of that, over the weekend it comes out that they at least called about DeVante Parker, Yeah, the Dolphins receiver who was just traded to New England. No idea what they pitched. I can imagine them trying to get him for one of those fifth round picks. Sure, but they were what they got for a Mari yep, yeah right, they were interested

enough to call. Yeah, And so that leads me to believe that they are not satisfied that James Washington is enough to be a presumed top three Well I think though, SOO two, when you start to talking, I was mentioned

about no title Lindon. I mean, you know that May thirty visits doesn't mean that they're completely going to draft guys, but it also means that they probably feel pretty good about the Audish and Farniac that kind of maybe we'll tell you now they're bringing in you know, we've talked about, you know, with Cam Jurgens in Nebraska. He's a little bit probably a guy that's very similar to you know what you have with Linderbaum, with a little bit of

a lighter guy. Don't think he's as good of an athlete or as good as a you know, a player when you get him in space. But you know, maybe they're thinking like that. You know that they they'll look at that a little bit later than maybe say at at twenty four. We're gonna get into this in Twitter on the twenty. But I do I struggle with this because I agree, I mean, you can't read too much into these names because like again, like last year is

a great example. Parsons was a guy that they had looked at and they were tied to after they got wiped out at Cornerback. But after that they went down, like everything after that were guys that they had not really well. We didn't have the thirty visit deal. Last it was absolute unquote. It was it was all that zoom stuff. I get that, But the point I was gonna it's normal to see them go away from the

list the further you get into the draft. Yeah, the first round results speak for themselves, like Morris Claiborne, which was before Will's time, Will mcclay's time running the draft, and CD, which again that was a COVID year where you didn't you didn't get to have visitors, right, And I think DeMarcus Sware was when we didn't bring in in two thousand and five, if you want to go

back into ancient history offense. But I think they even talked to CD in twenty twenty, like virtually, I think they did, but like you just, there's not there's not a limit on how many guys you could talk to that sort of thing, and it's easier to hide. The only two last year were Parsons and then I believe Quentin Bohannah. I think those were the only two guys

that they had even had a virtual meeting with. So that shows that they kind of me and Bohannon was a guy that McCarthy and Dan Quinn and Will were all at the workout because they were there for Joseph, so they saw that then with their own eyes. But I just I mean Zach Martin Byron Jones, Zeke Elliott, Taco Charlton was a visit for better or for worse, Layton vander Esh even Tristan Hill in twenty nineteen, like, I would call it a very good bet that the

eventual pick is at this week. Yeah, I mean history speaks for itself. Do you disagree? No, I don't think he's there. That's why. And the only reason I would say that is because you don't have a traditional general manager here. You have a general manager and title, but he doesn't go on the road and evaluate players. And when they work at the combine, he's working on deals, whether it's Amari Cooper or Tank Lawrence, that their attention is focused another way. They let Will and the scouts

handled all the other stuff. But yeah, this is an opportunity for Stephen and Jerry to see these players. Then all of a sudden, Jerry's like, oh, yeah, I remember the meeting here. I've seen the tape. Jim Mauer's the medical good, it's good, Okay, boom, let's draft this guy.

So these are worth thirty Visits for the Cowboys are huge because your general manager actually gets to meet with the players where you might have taken that advantage, whether if you have the Senior Bowl or the combine beforehand, it's a wide receiver or an offensive lineman. I mean, if we're reading Tea Leaves, I think that is a decent bed. Yeah, these guards both belong right around twenty four. The wide receivers belong around twenty four, if not before.

That's where's your knee lineup? That's our pool. Yeah, that's your pool. I asked that question on Twitter yesterday. All things being equal, let's just I mean, let's just say you have your Let's just let's just use those name. I mean, we've talked about Green and die On, We've talked about Burks and Alave. Just take your pick, take your pick, and just in a perfect world where all four of those are available, and they won't be, but if they are Green Johnson, Burkes and Lave Burks and

alve Man. This one's hard because if I'm going off how I've ranked the players, I'll take Burks ahead of a Lava. But a part of me thinks that Lave fits better here than Burks. But I don't think you can care about that, So I'm gonna take the guy I have ranked higher. I think I would take Burks there too. I would take Burks, Johnson, Greene, Olave. I'm not gonna lie. I'm worried about this offensive coordinary using anybody, Burks especially. It's a good question because to me, you

know this, we can fire coaches. Yeah, we've got to figure out. We've got to figure out though, if y'all all based so y'all all higher on the receivers than either of the lineman. I know you are, Brian No, I am, and and to me, that's the thing about it is, I would like to believe I think Burke's a lobby. I think all those guys in London, I think they're all hell of the football players. I think

if anyone of those guys end up anywhere else. You know, you talk to people around the league, you talk to people about that no fantasy football stuff. Really, all these these national fantasy football players persons, they're going to tell you that that trailing Burks might be the highest selected rookie wide receiver on fantasy football just because Bay Yeah, whoever, Because what you could do is how many things somebody will be creative with that player. You know, somebody will

figure out a way to get him touches. That's the thing like right now, I think this we talk about this in a daily basis. I know on our show we talk about Ceedee Lamb. Are you disappointed in Ceedee Lamb right now? Are you disappointed that he that he hasn't shown what maybe we've seen at Minnesota or in these other you know, Cincinnati. Are you disappointed in him? Is it his fault or is it the OC's fault? Is at the quarterbacks fault? That's a whole nother argument.

But you worry about when you draft these players, are they going to be used to their full potential. If Dan Quinn was coaching wide receivers, I would say, don't worry about taking any of these wide receivers. They'll be fine. But with what's going on right now, I think you have to have some questions. Will you get the ultimate from all these offensive players you draft? I think there's questions about the offensive line coach. Are you going to

get the maximum out of Zion Johnson or Green? You know, that's a question you have to ask yourself, you know, and Jeff's right, you can fire these coaches, but these coaches will at least be here for a year. You know, and then you'll have to figure out, Oh well, you know, look at the look at the situation with Connor McGovern. Connor McGovern is in the same exact grade spot that we're talking about Zion Johnson and also Green one two one, great top of the second round. Where are we at

right now? At guard? We're talking about a guard right yep? You know, is that coach is that the player? Did scouts mis evaluate? You know, these are all things that are going to factor into this draft, you know, because when you take these guys, you know, are you taking the right guy and know the coach is going to get the maximum out of him. I think that's the

biggest question you have right now. So with all of that being said, where do you feel like those guys that he just named off the four names, which one would be most utilized or best utilized in this situation wherever they land, whether it be the offensive line or the wide receiver. Like you say, I absolutely love Cedee Lamb wide receiver number one on my board. I think the guys sitting to my right was the same way

you'd be wide receiver one in this draft too. Okay, okay, do you feel like they've used Ceedee Lamb in a way that gets the absolute most benefit out of him. Sometimes sometimes yeah, I mean not to where we vision him. I don't believe. No, I'm speaking how much. How much of that was they couldn't block the second half of the year. No receiver was gonna put up big numbers because you were against two high shells to get it. I'm not disappointed in the way CD has been used.

I'm not really. No, his numbers just haven't been justin I see what you're saying. You're the guy, the guy, the guy goes to Minnesota, and I mean we all felt we did anybody have Jefferson over Cede Lamb? No, No, okay, But if you're going to hold into the standard of the best stats in the league, I'm holding him to the whole last two years, probably leads the league in yards. I'm holding him to stand. I'm holding him to the standard if I think that we can get more out

of the player. Agreed, That's what I'm saying. I'm not That's what they're saying across the room too. That see, That's what I'm saying. If we're valuating the player and we feel like that we should get more out of him and we're not, then then that's where the questions. I mean, again, I'm not saying we shouldn't draft, but I had my guys kind of starting to feel like

that's what you were No. No, I'm kind of feeling like, no, you're gonna have to draft because this team does that that they got to pick a guy and then he's got to play absolutely absolutely, but you might not. It's funny, you almost have to get the absolute right guy for that to work, because maybe you don't. Maybe you don't get the absolute best out of these guys. It's hard to say which one of these guys would you take when you have questions about the guy, the guy coaching him.

You know, are you are they absolutely getting the best? And if you told me they were taking a defensive player at twenty four, I would feel a lot better about that than an offensive player. All right, So just skip all of that. You you can't fix that. So which player do you feel the best about. Knowing all of that, with all of the concerns, you just burks Burks because he's my highest rated player, so much like much like Cede Land was my highest rated player. You know,

a wide receiver Ppa. Yeah, and now you're really upset about the eleven hundred yards and leading the team and touchdowns. I'm upset because I think they could do more. I'm upset because I think, what, what's the guy get at Minnesota? How does he how does the guy at Minnesota play? Do you feel like the guy in Minnesota is a better player right now than Cede Lamb? Yes? Do you feel like the guys Do you feel like the guys

Cincinnati's a better player than than Ceedee Lamb? Probably. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he could be better than eleven hundred yards. But if you're okay with that, that's fine. Walk. I agree with Brian that. I mean, you're you're the one that you're the one that cheerleading for Cedee Lamb. Yeah, I mean went out of your skull for Ceedee Lamb. Yeah, You're okay with eleven hundred yards right now? I'm okay

with being realistic. Like we interviewed Maury Cooper every week, and we talked to Cede Lamb, and that's another thing, the same thing. And you're facing two high shells and a four man rush that's getting home if you're looking for a receiver to go to for fifteen hundred yards, that's your fault. No, it ain't happening. It's it's it's the fault. It's the fault of scheming him in a way that you cannot say. They play two high shell. I'm up to beat seven and coverage with the four

and rush getting home. Okay, I love I would love to see the scheme. So you're gonna draft an offensive guard, You're just gonna get a draft the guard then right now, I'm gonna draft the best player can also the best player then, and that's who is the best player, I said Burkes in that scenario. But okay, but okay, So you're need with work to do a guard. Yeah, you're you're talking about doing You just argue with me about blocking. Yeah, okay, we might need five featund picks on the old line.

I'm not saying you do. It's silly. I don't. I don't have none of these guards the first rounds on my board. Cincinnati is the one exception to all of this, and the fact that they do have Jamar Chase, who went for fifteen hundred yards as a rookie against it with the team that doesn't block with the team that doesn't have anybody up front. But it's I get what you're saying in the fact that you need some sort

of middle ground, and Cincinnati didn't have that. Also, wasn't hide the way Dallas was played defensive agreed, because they do give the ball to Joe Mixon. Teams are honoring both the Ruggans, though yep, against Dallas they didn't so block makes me think I would rather have a guard at twenty four. I don't know bad processes. I can't find a starting garden. Second round got I got issues, all right? They tried to and they draft him in the third. I can turn this into a segue like

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drinking Miller lighte K. Yeah, let's get help them. Noring this off, Chris, we're getting into the questions when pointed your taxes with like the big old smile, but he can't hold a pen. Yeah, Rowdy's trying to type on Brian and mascots. I do love a mascot. Daniel wants to know, Daniel wants to know. Gentlemen. We sort of this is the last thing we were talking about before the break, this visit list, if we can trust it. Yeah, it's very heavy on the day one guards and receivers,

it is. It's awfully light as far as day two types of guys. And I do like, well, sort of like what we at those positions? At those positions? Um and I think, like I think people, this is a situation where I wonder if people read too much into the visit list, because he's basically saying, does that mean that's going to be what the pick is? Or can you imagine a scenario where it maybe it doesn't unfold that way, or what if they go up and get

two of those guys? Could I'm trying to uh in early in the second round, trade up yeah, I'm not saying trade up in the first round. Yeah, maybe get back in the top forty. What position group is not on here with first round targets that could be the

wild cardne linebacker, but Devin Lloyd's on there. I think, like to me that doing the work that if you ask me, if you okay, if you ask me a surprise pick, if you ask me a surprise pick, if you're one, that would just because we think it's going to potentially be the wide receiver, guard, the wild the wild card pick out of this whole thing would be for me would be Lloyd. That would be the one that were like, all right, they brought him in, they knew,

you know, dan Quinn got a linebacker here. That that would be the one that I would I would love the pick because I love Lloyd, but that would be the pick that I would I would say, man, dan Quinn did some politic and in that room and got that done or something absolutely nuts happened. Yeah, it would be the opposite. It would be the opposite of what should have happened in the Zeke Draft with Ramsey, where you had you know, if you get Kellen Moore to say, well, man,

Lloyd makes a lot of sense. You know. It's the opposite of what Rod Marinelli said about Zeke. You know, he's like, well, yeah, it makes a lot of sense draft to running back here, even though you should have fought like l for Ramsey. And you know, I don't see Dan Quinn rolling over on that, but he might. Is there anybody on the list that you wish wasn't on the list? Because I do have one, not among like the the big name targets. I don't think Bernard

Raymond that wish was not on the list. That was the one I was thinking mocked a lot to the Cowboys. You're right about. I was a pro Michigan offensive tackle two years ago. He was still a tight end, and I see him mocked in the first round, and I'm like, hey, I been wrong before, or yeah, he might develop into something really really good. Let somebody else do that. I don't think that's that's a good point. He's not a bad player. He's just not a first round twenty four

overall players, and offensive tackles get pushed up. Yeah, and he may be in that conversation, I should I should take myself out of this conversation because I've told this before. Every of those weak offensive tackles that I don't like end up being Pro Bowl players. Olden Miller's prettydamn good. No he is. He's absolutely and again and and so is so is the guy you know, uh, David Bakhtiari.

There's another one way back in the day. So yeah, I mean, there seems to be something these weaker I was watching the kid Zack Tom play from Wake fourth. I think he's a good player, but I also feel like he's a pretty weak guy. I think there's several of those guys that are kind of that, you know, that don't really have a lot of power to the way they play, and but they, you know what, they get drafted and I don't like it, and then all of a sudden they end up in the Pro Bowl.

So it's I guess. And we talked about Charles Cross in the first segment in some weird, weird world where he slipped. Is that the only scenario you really see where it goes away from those two position groups scarred and receiver, or if you get one of the top five edge rushers somehow to make it to twenty four carloftis May. Yeah, yeah, that'd be the dream they're looking

if they really like Carloftis. I just brought him up because no, no, I wonder I actually, okay, this is to me, there seems like more of a momentum for Sam Williams that it does Carloftis. There's definitely so. And I think that's because of where they're targeting these guys. I think it's because they're looking second round. But is again to try to read Tea Leaves, is that because they don't think they have a shot at a guy

like that, or maybe they just don't like him. I don't It's funny that they feel like they don't have a shot at Carloftus, but they do. Cross just to me that that's that's what I see. That's what I'm saying that Drake London is going in the top twelve. He may see he's right about he's right about the

about the Jordan Davis, He's right about that. To me, I'm like, I'm thinking, why would you think that you really do believe that this kid, you know, tested as well as he did his tape is as good as he did, the position that he you know, how he can help you, That people are really going to let him slide to twenty four. Question from Justin our friend friend of the show, our guy Bucky Brooks. His latest mock. He had the Cowboys taking our friend boy a maffe

out of Minnesota, not a not a visitor. As far as I'm aware of, how would you I get that's potentially a pass rusher that you could get at twenty four. I feel like y'all wouldn't love it, though. I kind of feel like he's more of a second round guy

because I've got guys like seeing him rising a lot. Yeah, no, and absolutely, and you know, but on my board, the way I had it myself is like guys like Jermaine Johnson and then I kind of have Maffi and Sam Williams all kind of group there in that second ROUNDE is what I would do. So that great again, maybe like a one two three, one two four, you know right, you know, right at the top of that second round, just out side because I got twenty first round grades,

so those guys are all kind of in that. So if you take him at twenty four, that wouldn't be terrible for me. But I've got a couple of guys that I think I would like better there. I think you make a decent point, Kyle, that we've seen them do that before. Trading up to get one of these guys is not outside of the realm of possibility, especially if it's a position like pass rusher. Yeah, it may be Sam Williams. That may be the guy because he

continues to rise with the draftboards. Maybe it's boy A Mafe because I have them touching tags at the same time too. Maybe it's one of those two guys that they really like they want to trade up and ensure that they get there. They may not even have to get into the top forty two ensure one of those two guys being there. They may just be forty five

or fifty. I saw this morning where Adam Schefter was tweeting about that Drake Jackson Drake Jackson was on like twelve visits, you know, and and I was kind of thinking, okay that you know, that kind of makes sense. But I mean, obviously people like to me, my defensive endboard is probably a lot different than what teams have it because the Penn State defensive end I'm not as high

and the South Carolina defensive end I'm not as high on. Yeah, I've had I have both of those guys in the third SEO, I do too, And that's what And I think that teams maybe will value those guys more than I value Sam Williams and Maffe and guys like that. That's a good point, Brian David, not me. Another David wants to hear more about Matt Correll And yeah, your vision for what a team might do with him is he doesn't strike me as a guy that's ready to start right away or do you think he is just

sort of your vision for what that might look like? Yeah, you know, I mean physically he's not going to be this. He doesn't look on Tay Sall. Yeah, but he's six two and he's two twelve. But you watched I watched twelve. He looks smaller than that. I watched his pro day the other day and he looks he doesn't look just impressive. Email heck, the kid from BYU Wilson. He didn't look him physically impressive last year at all, and look where

that ended up. But I think when you watch him play, he might not look like a stout quarterback, but he's sure plays like one when you watch him carry the ball. I mean, there are plenty of times where all of a sudden he's running the ball and you're going, Okay. You know, he's not going to do it in in the NFL, probably as much. But you see his toughness there. You see him running over people. You know, he's always going to try and make sure that the play is successful.

I kind of I called him tough. I called him hard nose. He's not afraid to lower the shoulder and get the first down. I think he's an outstanding ball handler and faker. I think deception is really really big all the you know, we always do the metrics of the play action stuff, and I think he's really really good about that. Makes a ton of plays on the move. So if you want to kind of move him around in the pocket, let him throw from those different platforms

he can he can do that. I kind of like the way I think he puts the ball in the right spot for his guys to catch it too. I didn't see his receivers having to struggle to make a lot of plays for him, So I kind of I like him. I think I think, you know, I think he's one of those guys, like I said, he'll play hurt and he'll continue to thrive. That's just the heart to desire, and I think he's got the intangibles as well as with the ability to kind of put it

all together when he was given time to throw. He has the prettiest deep ball in the class. I mean, he has a cannon of an arm. He puts it on the money. He makes it, like you said, easy for his receivers. The one thing against Corral is actually the same knock I have for Malik Willis. He's a little quick to use his legs. He's got that time clock and it was a little bit shorter. Now. His offensive line wasn't necessarily fantastic in front of him either.

Same thing for Malik Willis at Liberty, but he was very quick at just bailing and trying to get outside, which is a good thing at times. But in the NFL he'll have hopefully more time to throw, and he should be I think a starter within the first two years of his career. He's a good player. One last one, Jeff, I mean, maybe it can be for all of y'all, but he came for Jeff's next so I haven't heard that name yet. No. John just says in such a deep draft. If we talk about like the quality after

the top ten. Why has Captain Trade Doown gone so silent? Oh? No, Captain Trade Doown's here is he? You have not talked about it? Oh? Well you had to to check me out on YouTube. Did three mocks yesterday, did a lot of moving feff one channel. Yeah, find me on my YouTube channel. It just it depends on what ends up being there. Like if you get to and these are just stupid simulators, but a lot of times I'll get there and both guards are there, one of the receivers

is there. Um trying to think what else is there? But I'll get I'll get to the point where it's like, oh crap. If Kansas City wants to come up, and I can drop five spots and I've got three or four guys left that I really like, let's go, let's go. But if you get to a spot where can you Mareen is gone. The top five wide receivers are gone, and it's basically, hey, here's Zion Johnson and or Tyler Linderbaum.

If they would be interested or you could move back and see what happens, then I think you can't do that. It's just a matter of how many quote targets do you have left when you get to twenty four, and how comfortable are you with it? It's how cute you want to be. That's Trading down is in itself a cute thing. No, it is cute, but you got badass. But you got to make sure that you gotta you know. And he's right about the level of players though, you know,

because I asked him yesterday. I saw I did a simulator. I said, who did Kansas City take at twenty four? They traded up, They came after trailing birds, they got Burkes, And I'm thinking, okay, well, I wonder if was it worth it to the cowboys to make that trade if they lose a guy that they if they're hunting wide receivers, does it does it? Does it make it? Or are they comfortable with with a lobby there or somebody like that. You know, That's where that's kind of where I was.

I was. I got sky Moore at fifty and that one I wouldn't worry about it. Yeah, I saw that, well worked out great? Okay, So I just ran a simulator. You want to try and play through a scenario real quick? Oh? Trade down? Yeah, you want to trade down. Yeah, of course. Ivanta Wyatt's on the board. Linder bombs on the board, pinning Ojabo uh Elam from Florida, Jalen Petrie from Baylor, trailing Burkes, Zion Johnson. Those are your top ten. Problem

is these people have bad rankings. I just ran because you read a bunch of duds that should get picked in the forties and then a guy who's gonna go like twenties. Yeah, I agree. So Burke's Zion Tampa Bay wants the trade for or trade with you. The packers want to trade with you. So that's twenty seven, twenty eight, and then the Bears at thirty nurs we're going down. Which packer pick? Are you going to get all the

packers up for whatever? Yeah? You give them your one and your three for their one and their two, and if they're willing to do it, you hit execute and then we dominate this draft. You kidding me? Trade not accepted? Hang up on him and tell him off, and then pick your player. That's easy. Yeah, funny, it's funny. It's funny how Inning is one of those guys. And I think Jeff's right, he's gone. He's top fifteen. Yeah, I

mean these tackles. That's what surprises me about their visit with Cross because I feel like all these tackles are gonna be gone before the Cowboys pick before on this I feel like we're falling into a trap here though, where I like, that's It's all we've been saying is like this is a different draft, Like there's not a lot of consensus, but here we are with consensus of like, oh, he won't be there, he'll be gone too. Oh no, I don't care if he is there. It's a very

general consensus. It's not like we're saying, oh, he's going to Carolina and it's John No. I know, but but like somebody has to be there, you know what I mean. And in a world where Travon Walker is going a long three days, people are gonna be there. Yeah, I don't. People must think the Cavon Thibodeaux hates hates football. I just want to throw that out there. I'm gonna say I'm gonna do every week because the Trayvon Walker over

Cavon Thibodeau stuff on tape is cracka. I like Walker a lot, but there's no way I wonder if that if Tibodau must hate football, like look he doesn't care. I wonder what that momentum is really all about. I like Walker, and it's so funny. When we first started this journey, every mock draft had Walker. And if it's saying wich you want to say about the mock drafts, but every name was Walker, Walker Walker at twenty four. Yeah, and now he's gone from twenty four to sixteen to

being the first overall guy in some boards. And I understand people having to make mock drafts up. You got to mix it up, so you can't do the same He can't do the same thing every time, or you're not gonna be a mock draft for long and you're not going to have a gig. Yeah, your last one is your most important one. But I mean, it's so funny, but that this guy's gone from twenty four to sixteen

to being in the top two. I'm just and I'm just trying to I'm trying to keep my mind open because I I at any rate, I hope that the first round is as surprising as I think it'll be. You know what if I would make for some fun radio Thibodeau if I was if I was a Giant, if I was a Giants at five and at seven, why would you not just take the two best offensive tackles,

you know something like that. I mean, that's where I'm seeing, like these tackles could be going because there's just so many teams ahead of you up there that need these offensive linemen. You watch them play and they just can't do anything. Jeff's talking about it. You can't run the ball, can't pass per tech, teams are bad at blocking. There. If the Giants come out of this draft without Sauce Gardner, I think they might be making Sauce Gartner might be

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Could read thank you? I wasn't I wasn't sure where it was going to be honest with you, take a glance at it before you come back. Nah, general feel for the words way too easy. It's time for tell me more guys. I wanted, like I people have been asking about this for months. Really, I wanted to wait A to give y'all as much time as possible to watch players, and B we would have a better idea of who we might want to learn about. And Um

without getting into the nitty gritty. I think all five of these guys have some sort of tie to the Cowboys that we have heard in one form or another. So we'll start things off. Tell me more about SMU tight end, Grant Calcata brand, you start, you want me to start, you can start. Well, you know I liked I'm a nice positive man. So Um talked about is a former Bomer Sooner. Yeah, sure is that I probably

would not draft because of a combination of things. Number One, he retired from football during his third season at OU after a series of concussions. So you're gonna have health stuff you're gonna have to work through and on tape. Calcutara is interesting because I think he's a solid receiver, Like he's a pretty good receiving tight end, but he's a pretty good receiving tight end that I don't think he can get open against man coverage. Yeah, and he's

not a good blocker, that's true. So I've got health concerns, blocking concerns, man coverage concerns. But just as far as running your standard tight end routes, catch the ball, okay after catch, Like, he's not a bad player. I just think I have enough questions that I would find other tight ends to pick. Yeah, I mean, this guy doesn't plays a true in line. Why you mean you don't see him? You know, he's always detached, he's always in

the slot. He runs routes where they have to use cross or he's a cross, or they pick they try and get him open. I mean, straight line, pretty good speed. Yeah, that's the thing about it is though there's nothing after the catch with this guy. No, there's nothing. I mean, you throw him the ball. It's like he has a chance to score a couple of times in games I'm watching, and like he gets yanked down and I mean, I mean no power to get into the end zone or

drag anybody. Some of these other tight ends you've seen in the ones that we've mentioned, they have power, they're able to finish, they're able to score, they're able to get more yards. I think this guy at six four, two hundred and forty one pounds, I think he's just too light to play. But again, you talk about the medical history and stuff like that, that's something I'm not interested in myself. No, no pun intended with it, of course being SMU. But he's kind of a one trick pony.

I mean, but it's the way that he, like you said, he has the front line speed or the straight line speed rather four or five seven after combine, he can run and he can catch. That's about it. He's run across the field and catch it. Yeah, yeah, that's what. He's not a great route runner. He's not super versatile. But um, I mean his production was even great either. He had two other guys he was sharing in the field with with Reggie Robertson Junior that's in the draft

class as well. I will say great the other tight end that came in. Sometimes it wears eighty six. It's way worse. I was about to say, what's going on? Like maybe I was? I was. I was intrigued for a second. No, you're gonna be okay, This is not like the Georgia defensive tak Yeah, where you're like, oh my god, this guy is better because sometimes he would come up the ball and like, man, he's running even slower than usual. And I was like, oh, it's eighty six.

They have to have to detach him so he can run. I think let's hope for some better luck. He was a Senior Bowl guy. Tell me say that Senior Bowl on GPS. Boom, wonderful. Yeah, tell me more about Cam Jurgens, the center out of Nebraska. I'm gonna have to blimp Cami. I don't have Nebraska film Brian. Uh yeah, Cam Jurgens though, as I got invited to watch Cam Jurgens, so my opponent can't say that, right, Cam Jurgens a jerk? Yeah,

sorry about that. Uh. He's an undersize center, and I think he tends to play that way six to three. He's three h three. There's really nothing fluid or pretty about his game at all. Oh. I think he's kind of a rough and tumbled blocker. Body control and balance is really kind of all over the place. I thought he was a better blocker when he can use angles as opposed to taking guys head up. He can stand his man, but there's snaps when you see power will

give him trouble. I watched the Oklahoma game, in the Minnesota game, I mean there were sometimes he got ragged all by our guy in that Oklahoma that that guy tore him up pretty good. And so the coaches will ask him to pull and get into space and lead. He's a little hurky jerky when it comes to that stuff. I do think he has a mean side to him because there are times when the guys were on the ground he was kind of diving into him and things like that. So but you know, his doesn't always maintain

that position. I think he really has to fight to stay engaged. And but like his nasty size. But I think he does play small at times, and I'd have an issue with that. A lot of that comes from, like you said, playing small and being undersize. But I like the fight from him because he doesn't necessarily give up. He likes to get to the second level. He's not going to be that pure anchor, yeah, but he's somebody that could maybe develop into a good depth piece in

terms of an offensive lineman and a center. We're not very athletic, I will say that much. He's not that funny. I remember saying a little bit about that about when you talked about Travis Frederick, he was not being really athletic, you know, but Travis did a great But you could see Travis though, on the move and stuff like that, you know, staying with this guy. This guy, like I say, I just kind of feel like that, I'm I'm getting

a guy. But it's so funny when you watch a guy like say and Linderbaum's I think the best center in the draft, and when you watch him, he's just so smooth getting to his blocks and positioning, and this guy it's like a it's like a work to have to stay in position, where these other guys just kind of him. Fortner, the guy from Kentucky, I really really like good position handle, big guys, don't get bullied, you know,

those are the kinds of guys I like. You expect that clunkiness to come from some of the bigger players at the position. I mean, look at Donovan West from Arizona State. I mean he's a little clunky, but he's huge. I mean he's got a massive frame. And yeah, Nard he's clunky, he's a good player and he's exceptionally strong. But yeah, I just don't see that same kind of I see the same kind of clunkiness. I don't see

the same kind of potential with Cam Jergins. If if they were good enough to go where those guys are going, we wouldn't just now be talking about him in April. I think he's a depth piece. I think, stop it, sweet man, you're the one that just called out both SMU tight ends. Tell me just one. There was no reason you mention through in the other guy thought you were about to say something not like it. But you know this guy's pretty good. Actually, no, he's even wor

his family's listening. Tell me more about Verne McKinley, the Oregon safety. Okay, so this is one where um again, there's a reason that's this late before we talk about him. This is a guy that I desperately want to like because Varn McKinley is a really smart, really good football player. He's just small and unathletic according to measuring for the NFL, like he's five ten, he runs a four six five. His agilities weren't that good. Didn't stop you from loving

our Darius Washington. It's true, call him out day is better, but this guy's five ten instead of five six, A better shot like Veron McKinley's gonna get drafted. He's a local guy um and at Oregon even watching him against Ohio State like he's He's always in the right position, he sees the game well, he tackles, he does all

the things you want. It's just a matter of how high are you going to draft a guy when a lot of the other guys are going to be two inches taller, run a tenth or two of a second faster, and just be better athletes when we're going to play NFL football. I would take Veron McKinley, like for a team that maybe could use the safety Cowboys, but probably not going to use a high pick. If you told me Vern McKinley in the fourth or fifth round became a Cowboy, I'd say, Okay, I like that. So I

really like the player. I just wish that he was maybe a little taller, a little faster, hit a little harder. Yeah, otherwise he'd be a first round pick. Doesn't have great length or speed, but he has instincts and awareness, and I think that's the thing that puts him in position to make plays. He can watch the UCLA game where

he's this is how smart this kid is. Ball's on the ground and like the UCLA offensive lineman is about to dive on it, and he gets up there and he scoops it away to move it further up the field in order so he could pick it up. You know, that's the kind of instead of letting it, instead of trying to dive in. He gets there and he pushes the ball. You know, those are the kinds of things. You know, he's in a lot. He puts him so

in a lot of positions to make plays. The ball tends to go his way too, which is something and I think that's about instincts. I think that's about awareness. I think Jeff is absolutely right about the physical makeup about him. Five ten, one ninety eight doesn't really run

all that great. But the intangibles, the instincts, the awareness, I think are that what people are gonna probably give him high marks for because you gave him a couple of cons there in terms of the slim build, the tackling that are spot on, because he's not a great tackler, and that's not really he can't tackle. I don't think he can hit. Like he's not a powerful guy. I would agree with that. I think, Okay, Tackler not a

good hitter. I would agree the one thing, he had eleven picks over his last two seasons and he had just I think three touchdowns that he allowed over the last three seasons at Oregon. Like he's not like a big play go get it of treybon Diggs where it's all or nothing sort of deal. He still has good

coverage ability and he forces the turnover. And I think a lot of that goes back to what Brian was talking about in the awareness and the IQ to be in the right place at the right time, because it seems like every single time somebody goes his direction, he's at least nearby to try and make a play. Sounds like a coaches player, like a guy that the Yeah. I've heard that about him too, in terms of like the leadership and the football character because he was working

out locally. Yeah, and I've talked to the guy who's been training him since he's in the fourth grade. Oh my god, and like that is apparent works. That's the thing about him is like he is a dude that coaches are gonna be like, yes, want him. Yeah, it's funny. Uh he he uh. He interviewed because he's a local kid. They were on the on the station on one oh five three. He came up and he was doing interviews

with the nighttime show. And the first time I met him, I'm walking out and he's walking in and he I say, and somebody introduced me and he looked at me. He goes, yes, it's a pleasure to meet you. I want to do your job. And I go, I go, well, thank you, and I go, I go, you've got a You've got a great job yourself. You know you're about to play in the NFL. And he goes, no, he goes, when I get done doing my job, I want to do your job. And so now I want him on the

count so we can get him on the radio. No, no, I'm saying, he is a he is a very he's a very he's a very nice, eloquent speaker, and he's very thoughtful and he gives good answers and stuff. And I told him, I said, man, I go, I enjoyed watching you play and stuff like that. But he is I think the I think the his intelligence is elite. For football. I really really do. Coaches player took me

from Ada to fifty six. Let's go ahead and make its kidding, just kidding, just no, no, But he you know, he might not end up here, but he's You're gonna go somewhere and you're gonna be watching a game on Sunday or whatever, and he's gonna make a play and you're gonna go I remember that. Yeah, we're running a short on time. We're gonna do these rapid fire. I am gonna get to both of them. Zach Carter Florida defensive tackle. Zach Carter tweeters a good word tweeter because

he's six four, two eighty two. He plays up and down the Florida line. Uh not the Florida Georgia line, just a thank god. Two of the first ten plays against BAMMI he ends up on the ground. And so I'm watching the BAMI game and I'm like, yeah, okay, not a lot here. Then you watch him played not Bama in South Florida and you say, okay, now he looks the part. So I do think he's an NFL defensive lineman, probably a depth guy. One of those guys

looks really good. Coming off the bus. Yeah, that's ANFL body. Dude looks like he belongs and he can pass rush a little bit on the interior. Zat Carter's an NFL player on day three. I think he's a guy who could transition into being a potential starter. I might be higher on him than most people because I like the traits. I like the size, the athleticism. Certainly there I it's basically like you said, there's a lot of raw to

his game. And where do you play him? Do you want to if you want to put him solely at edge rusher, put him solely at ed rusher, let him build in an NFL off season for a little bit. If you want to put him an interior, do that as well. Either way, I think he's better off the edge. But yeah, I put him as a defensive end. Yeah, it's tough either way. And the thing about it is, though, and here I might say he's a defensive end and then you know, but he's going to be able to

play a couple different spots. There were times though, where he looks quick off the ball, and at other times it's like he's not. And I'm like going, bro, and and here I'm wanting to play him an end, and when you play in you really got to kind of be off the ball quick all the time. I kind of thought he was like a like almost like a five technique defensive end and at three to four and I know, and I know we kind of move around

and play hybrid fronts and stuff like that. But I thought the way that he played with leverage was his best thing. I really did. I mean, his hands and his leverage. But other than that, man, it was kind of up and down with the way he really really rushed the passer. Day three though, yeah, yeah, yeah, early day three. Yeah. Charleston Rambo, Miami receiver, will round this episode out with him. Another Oklahoma transfer, jeah Boomer Sooner,

played alongside Ceedee Lamb. Start with positives. I think he accelerates well, and I think he tracks a football well, so when the ball is in the air, he's gonna put himself in the right place to catch it. But he does have some drops. He is a skinny player that plays skinny. When you press him, it's bad news bears for him. So he put up really good numbers

at Miami. A lot of that was soft coverage stop routes, along the sideline and then a decent chunk of it was throwing the ball down the field and he tracks it well and he'll catch it um but inconsistent catching. I don't think he can beat press coverage in the

NFL because he couldn't do it against Alabama. So again, I think Day three, late day three fighting to make an NFL roster Alabama tape is really useful in that regard because you're like, oh, this is what look playing against an NFL team will kind of satch put up huge numbers against Michigan Michigan State Conservative and then I lacked Damagett in his face. It's like it off the line. You watch the Michigan State game, you might draft him in the first round. Seriously. I mean he can make

a bunch of big catches. I think Jeff's right. His best trade is his ability to adjust to the ball, and I think the tracking party's absolutely right. It doesn't matter where it's sown. This guy's going to find a way to kind of catch it. I wouldn't call him the fastest of the quickest route runner. I think he does manage to get open, but I think it's going to He's not going to drive a corner out of his pedal with the way he runs it just he's just a kind of a steady, smooth player in that regard.

He's a load him up volume receiver. Seventy nine receptions broke the all time single season Miami receiving record. I mean, he had seventy nine receptions. It's wild, Like there's been a lot of receivers coming out and say. It just speaks to the way the game is changing. That battle set a record at a school that had a guy like Michael Irvine. But I don't know, while you guys had to make me hate him. Former sooners right in front of him. Yeah, two of them, jerks. We're just

trying to teach you. Rambo had really big stats at Miami that makes you a first rounder. We're helping you with your deliver. That's what we're doing here. Maks Mane that Michigan State game, though, seriously looks good. He would think that the sky more a Michigan start off. And I was like, well, let's see against Bam And I was like, and anybody who presses him sends him fifteen yards that way. That's a problem. Are you guys selling these. Yes.

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