Draft Show: Pet Cat Talk; Making A Splash?

off the show bad pre show? Why don't I let people make me mad? That's just a thing that you do in life, like you just let people get you mad. You're easily riled. You're gonna set up for a nice show though, you got the fire in you. It's a good thing. Yeah, No, I you know what at not again, I'm I'm watching people out there talk about what they would do at nineteen and what they wouldn't do. And you know, and I respect what you're saying. You wouldn't

take an offensive lineman at nineteen. I wouldn't philosophy to set this up. This is the argument we're having in the studio before the show. Yeah, I mean Brian, Brian and a number of people are very vocal in their belief that an offensive guard would be a good call

at the nineteenth overall. Yeah. And then there's the other side of that argument that Dane tends to fall more on, that says it's not the best value in the world and there's got to be something better you could do, not for this team that has so many other weaknesses. Offensive line's already strength, and I would argue that the bigger need for this team is a swing tackle. I mean, I could make that argument, could you Okay, if I said you could take mcclinchy at nineteen, would you do that.

I'm not as high mcclinchy. I don't be a tackle. Then if you're going to tell me if you're gonna if you're more Williams at nineteen, what are we dealing with? Boys? What do we do? You're acting like we're dealing with with Quentin Nelson? Oh no, no, no, Look, you know you got any Why why can't we not? And we focus on the players that are up and down on this board. You're saying people focus too much on the value position more so than just well, I wouldn't take it.

I wouldn't take a guard at nineteen. But it's for the KA, it's for this team though it's not. But then you say a name of a guy that you don't really want at nineteen. Look, the thing is long term, what is best for this team. I do not think drafting a guard at nineteen is what's best for this team. I don't because I think you could find a guard elsewhere with the depth at wide receiver. Is it best to draft Ridley at nineteen? Oh, if you was there,

I'm taking Ridley, yeah, no question. I don't know if the team would. So you feel like though that the definite need for this team is a wide receiver. It's not about definite need, it just it's I mean, why you arguing that. No, you're playing both sides because you're one reason you're saying guard is because of it's a definite need. It's not. I'm looking at nineteen and saying,

and give me the names. The players are there, And again I go back to your argument when you when I when I bring up the name Vita Vea, which everybody in mock draft Land, it throws that name at the Cowboys Hurst Vita Vea. You know, and the first thing you say is, Brian, you like it more than me, You like it more than me. Yeah, where you going with this? I'm going I know exactly where he's going

with this. Well, I mean, but but he's perplexed as to why you would draft a guy that you don't like that much at nineteen just instead of taking a position that could help your football team. When I say you like him more than me, it's you always say that because you liked them, like when we talk, that's fire, because he does the work. I have the utmost respect for you, which you like him as more of a when we talked about him before, you like him, no,

more of a top ten player. Yeah, And that's because and then all of a sudden I start catching up and seeing, okay, we're gonna go through some pet cats here. So your opinions changed in Viet Vea. Yeah, okay, but you know what I think that if you look at if you look at the defense to tackle group as the one technique's hole, you can pass on b to Vea and be okay, using your argument you like it more than me, Brian, you do. That's a fact. It is a fact, But that doesn't mean I don't like him. No,

But then when he's when he's when everybody. The narrative though, is, but you know, it's kind of like taking taco. Brian wants you to be in love with whoever you're picking at nineteen. But the problem with that is I'd like for you to be in love with him, but the problem is the quality of the player. Yeah, am I right about that? Why would you not take the best player at nineteen? The goal of picking the number nineteenth pick?

The number one goal should be to add the player who's gonna help your team the best for the long term. That should be the number one goal. And I do not believe that guard is that player you can find. Even even though the player is a better player, even though the player say better player than it does anybody that you want to select, It doesn't matter. The goal should be what is best for this team long term? What is best for this team long term? That is

the notice one that's for this team long term? Is it to try and help the quarterback? I mean, is that also say that ultimately, what's gonna be the most expensive thing on our team? What if Ronald Jones is the best player on your board at nineteen, should you take him? No, you don't take him? Okay, here we saw it. We saw that play out just last year. FYI, Yeah, that happened last year. That kid went a terrible player

at Minnesotaly got hurt. It's not just list your best nineteen players in the draft, regardless of position or anything. You're talking about the quality of the again, if you're taking players that you don't feel great about our board player, rude. No. Me saying that you like a player more than me does not mean I don't like the player. No, I'm just saying, though you were just adamant about taking a

player that potentially could be regardless of the position. You were adamant against it because when I do a draft board, it's not for this team. When I do a draft board, it is for I understand that. But when we talk about this team again, I want the best player at nineteen who's gonna be best for this team long term, and it might feel better about who. Do you feel better about Win or Vita Vea for this team. I'm taking Vita Okay. Now, Yes, I agree with you about

your point about finding a nose tackle. Later i'd probably, I'd probably take a win. I agree with you. And you know what this this organization might hate Win. They might absolutely hat Win, and maybe they like her. Nandie is better. It's very possible. Maybe, hey, you know, and then let's let's not act like I mean, Hernande is in my board. Is the third best guard? Nelson Win, Hernandez. I think most people would agree. See, I you know

the whole thing about it. At nineteen, I've said this, You're at the mercy of the board every pick you are, absolutely I think bait Like we can boil this down to the fact that Brian's frustrated that a sizable portion of people don't like the idea of drafting a guard. But then most of those people don't have a better idea ready to go. Well, yeah, and let me be clear about this. If the Cowboys come up at number nineteen and they drift to Zaiah Win, I will not

be upset because Zaiah Win is a good player. Sure, but that doesn't mean I believe he was the best pick at that point. Again, I think I can find a guard who can again, but it's like I can find a one technique maybe yeah, Again, it's more of a it's not. This isn't about a right and wrong. This is more philip it's not. And you know, and and sometimes you have to your your philosophy. I was. I felt like I had to get out of the

nineties scouting, you know. And we'll get into this whole thing with Bill Polian by the way, you know, and oh, well, you know, this is what I believe. I get it. He's a Hall of Fame general manager. I get it. Okay, thank you, seriously, we're gonna get to our pet cats. Yeah, okay, let's get to our pet cats. David, hell and give me your pet cats. I don't I want to talk about that. I don't think we've ever gone off the

deep end so quickly into a show. I like, I just I you know what though, philosophy or what you know again, the philosophy everybody thinks, my god, we've got to do it this way, You've got to do it. Yet, we've got to do it, you know. And the beauty of it is probably when you're picking nineteen, you really don't have your your player, the quality of player. Why would you regardless of position, why would you not go get the best one at that regardless, it might not

be what's best for this team. The beauty of this, like that's the point of this whole show is like I just you're making a mistake if you're approaching the draft with like a fixed mindset on almost anything. Like though I would not take a guard, the whole point of the draft is you need to be ready to adapt. You just said, like five minutes ago, you wouldn't pitch a fit. I would not take him, But again, I think Isaiah wins. Would you have a more problem with

him or Taco as that pick. I feel better about Win because Wins a better player, So again I would not be upset. I would not throw a fit like last year with Tacco. Is more perplexing that there were better players on the board at the same position, the same position. Yeah, okay, well it's not like you know this. We're talking about the same position here and we're just differing on the player. We're talking about a position that they're gonna take that I don't think this is the

reason why the Giants might not take a quarterback. That's why they might not take a running back. They don't draft running backs high traditionally, So what gentleman does on that one. Yeah, I mean if he takes, if he takes, if he takes Quentin Nelson. Okay, traditionally he isn't. Oh yeah I am. But traditionally he has not drafted offensive lineman high, so the Giants might not go in that direction. Same with same with quarterback. Giants are really a wild

getting the best players for the respective team. Yes to Yeah, it's more than about just that saying. I mean, you know, Dalvin Cook might have been the best player on the board. This team's never going to draft him, you know, that's we what We've talked about that already a few times. It's like it's best player available to taking that ram Chick a lot higher than the Saints did. Yeah, the best player available last year. Sure did, best player available

within reason, you know, That's the whole thing. Which the beauty of it for the Cowboys is like nineteen, you could make a compelling argument for just about anybody that's going to be there. That's so I don't worry about it as much. I don't get as fired up about this because, like, if you want to take a plug and play guard, that's fine with me. If you want to take a nose tackle who could, if not start, at least be a regular part of the rotation. That's

fine with me too. Like, I mean, you can make a pretty compelling case for just about anything that's going to happen. I think, I think we just don't want to box ourselves in. That's the whole exactly. That's I'm not gonna stop after some in general. I'm not some about the Dallas Cowboys. No. If I was running a war room right now, I would I would keep an open mind about this. I think I wouldn't sit there and act like I'm in nineteen seventy eight drafting player.

You're screwing yourself if you're just like, we gotta do X, like whatever it is that you think you gotta do. If that's if you're leaving yourself one avenue of one rep whole idea. It's about getting the best players. That's the whole idea. And if you if you're if you're limiting yourself to getting the best players, then you're you're not drafting correctly. I'd say it's all about improving your football team in the best way possible. I agree, but

those aren't always the same. You gotta strike that balance yeah, you can't. It can't just be about best player. No, but I'm just saying though it you can't just say, oh, because of the position, I'm not going to look at the guy, especially where they're picking. Yeah, you've got twelve first round grades. I think it's fourteen, that's five. You know,

this is just this is just another iteration. If everybody in his in his gets picked, if all fourteen guys get picked ahead of us, we were taking a second round player, it's an entire right. Okay, we did it last year too. Wasn't a first sure, it's but it's just another wasn't the best player. That's my point though as well. No, we all agreed there. It's another iteration of Zeke verse Ramsey or botha. You know it's the same. I mean, you know that was a rare draft, those

top five. Oh and I'm not I'm not picking tough. I'm not talking about the relative talent. But it's like, well, you can get a running back anywhere, why are you drafting a running back there, Bob, And like we're still debated. It's gonna play out over the next decade or so. Yeah, it's all I mean, it's more philosophical than absolutely someone's right and someone's wrong. And like I said, I think it's something that half the fans are gonna agree with you,

half the fans will agree with me. It's something that is a worthy debate that we're going to be having up until draft day. Oh they're having this debate, or up until they add a garden free agency or add a tackling freedy. I'm I'm reluctant. I'm trying to think about how to help this quarterback because you know what this time when and we're likely gonna lose you. Next year, you'll be scouting somewhere. I know it. I just know it.

You could go beat somebody else up, Dane. But I mean, I'm thinking, I am thinking this conversation next year will be about, well, should they look at a quarterback? Look at you're just writing Dacks twenty age. I'm just saying, I'm just saying at twelve they should look at a quarterback? Could be yeah, yeah, that's the that's the no. And you're like, why did he fail? Why did he fail? Did we give him every opportunity to succeed? I'm reluctant to jump off the fence here, because I think in

another month. I'm not saying there's gonna be like an all Pro guard in the fold. But like this, you know, we talk about all the time, this team's not done adding talent. Like I, if they don't have a left guard candidate before the draft, I'll be surprised. They're not going to go into the draft just needing a left guard. I'd agree with they're just not so well they for that matter, they might not be going in. Yeah, they

might add they added a defensive tackle last year. It obviously didn't work out, but they did it, and so I wouldn't be surprised to see him do it again this year. Yeah, I think the bigger need might even be a tackle. With you worry about a left tackle, the durability long term, You worried there anybody at nineteen

you would take at tackle. No, not only that, but that goes back to philosophy again, because are you at the philosopher are you going to spend but are you going to spend a first round pick on a guy who ideally is your swing tackle? Yeah? Again, that's another conversation. I know, absolutely, and it's more like hopefully, I think we're bailed out by the fact that there aren't any candidates, right, I mean the highest guard or tackle on my board's

Connor Williams down in like the late twenties. So I'm not taking a tackle. He's number one tackle on your board right now. Yeah, okay, and that's a mess. You're right, you're you're you're not wrong about that. And mcglinchey's spend mclinchey because I think like that he's I trust him more than Connor Williams. Sure, that's that sound crazy? No, I And I'm almost I would like to see them draft like a Tyrold Crosby in the second or third o Oregon, a guy that can help you a left

guard iff needed, but he's yours. Also your swing tackle, yeah, you know, and you get some versatility there. Uh you know, there's so many different ways you can attack it, for sure. Um, you're pet cat. No no, no, no, no, no, we're gonna break. Okay, we're gonna whole. Yeah, No, that's gonna be I'm just gonna kick the other segment out that we were talking about. We do need to get in.

I do pet cat talk maybe well in Twitter on the twenty early again, I appreciate everybody's comments and questions, and we'll get to Twitter on the tek has a fast twenty minutes. I didn't realize I could get that mad in twenty minutes, but I did at the drop of a hat. At a drop of hat, let's go to break. I promise you we'll do Twitter on the twenty and then we'll get into the pet cats because we got some you know, we got some elements of

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and warranty limitations apply seem to love for details. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com draped show. Swboys are We're back here in the STBBC Mortgage Studios. Brian brought a Stain Burgler, David Hellman, KENK. Garrison Executive Producing. I do appreciate, I do appreciate you guys fight that we just let you yell at us now. I appreciate the back and forth war rooms. They call it a wor room.

Use the word war for a reason. I had the utmost respect for these guys I'm sitting here with right now, but utmost respect for Kevin Turner and for Jeff cavan On those guys as well. You know, I said, this guy to my right, he could. He needs to be in the NFL. He needs to be scouting, he needs to be arguing with one of those general managers. You do need to do that one day. Maybe we'll see, all right, ever so modest, I hope, so, I really do.

I hope it's this year. David Hellman. One of my favorite segments is Twitter on the twenty can't I jumped the gun? Go at it, Dave. As long as we're mad, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start off with a question from Michael that this is something that makes me mad. I'll see if y'all follow along with this. Gears, it's it's I've gotten it a few times, and there seems to be a prevailing line of logic from a few people that because the Cowboys are hosting, because the Cowboys

are hosting the Flashville, they're gonna do something nuts. Just yeah, and for okay, for the record, I think that's stupid and very unlikely. So you don't want to go to the you don't want to go to the Jets? Pick at six? No, No, I really don't. Just for the record, I would I would like I would just like one example of anything that's happened in the last decade that suggests that the Cowboys would do that. I'm not taught. I don't care about Joey Galloway. That was twenty years.

What about the going up and getting from fourteen to six? I mean, is that at fourteen or fifteen? I think it was fourteen fourteen years? I don't. I mean that was a move. I don't qualify that as like this crazy splash move. I mean that's an eight spot jump, right, I'm taught like splash like, I mean, what going up for a quarterback? What are you going up for? What are you even? Is jumping up six spots for Calvin

Ridley a splash? I mean that's that's you know, that's not And you were right by the way Atlanta did jump. They jumped way high to get Julio Jones. I mean that's tom to it RAF thinking a little bit differently there, Does that seem like something this team would do? I

don't think so. No, I don't think so either. I mean you look at it, and we tried to go up and the quality of player we were talking about, if you remember the show from Monday, was that we were thinking that it was going to be like you were going to get the linebacker from Virginia Tech. You were going to secure Uh, you could Vita Vea if you want to via Veta. That's I would consider using my second round pick to go up and get real Quan Smith. That's that's That's exactly who's died the draft

last year. Philly, Philly. They didn't make a splash. They stayed put kind of picks. Well, they had one pick in the first round. They stayed put. Yeah, and they took Derek Barnett. They let the board fall to them, got a decent player. A decent player helped them win the Super Bowl. Yeah, this team does not need to make a splash just because it's in their backyard. I was gonna like, if you're gonna make a splash, it's because it's something you think you need, that you think

you can do. I mean, Philly made a splash two years ago when the draft was in Chicago for wins. Okay, Chicago made a splash last year for Mitchell Trubisky, like Houston and I mean that type of stuff. It's usually something like in order for me to think it's like this crazy splash, I gotta think it's like a quarterback or you gotta be comming. I mean, if you're gonna go from nineteen to three to get Bradley Chubb, which, okay,

I don't see that happening to y'all. Did you see your you see your buddying in Indie trait trying to get out of that spot for the right deal. Sure, but then then he didn't pack, guys, so he's got to sit there and pick Chubb. I think I think Chubb has got to be high on their list. Is he looking at quarterback at all? I don't know. It sounds like then, I mean, I don't think so. They're saying that the who is coming out of Vendi. It's positive. Yeah,

he's like throwing with weighted balls. It's the most optimistic they've been in a while. But I also heard he was throwing and then they shut him down again, and then is he back throwing? We'll be We'll be there next week. You have to let a play out, I think if you're Indie. But regardless of this team, they're not going to make a splash just for the sake

of making a splash. I'll entertain, I'll entertain Michael real quick though, Like, if they were going to do something just bats who who who would you do it for? Because we had that show. No, well, what you said Quintin Nelson? Oh, I know, but I mean Quintin Nelson. I mean, yeah, then you would go all the way up to try and get Quintin Nelson. I don't see. But but it's not but we were trying to Again, he's right about Roquan Smith, but that's not a splash

to me. I'm talking about something really well, he's he's one of the best defensive players in this draft, right, But it's but I'm talking about a freaking like Myles Garrett was in the draft. Yeah, then you consider even using next year's one to go and get him because he's, in my opinion, a transcendent player, a guy that can really change the way you play defense and help you win ball games. I don't know if there is that guy in this draft. I like Braley Chubble a lot,

he's not Miles Garrett. I like some of these offensive players like Quentin Neilson. Yeah, he's not that for im me at least, So I don't think there is unless it's one of the quarterback. I couldn't. Yeah, I couldn't see him doing it unless it was for a quarterback, And I don't see them doing that. I'd agree, So could they do it? Goes secure Ridley if they feel like that, If they feel like that, we talked about this. I mean I would trade my third to go up

in fifty to fifteen. You want to go to Arizona at fifteen head of Baltimore, Yeah, exactly, get your wide receiver. If that constitute did that for Jess Bryant by then I'm making a splash. Yeah. I don't think that constitute is. I think they sit there and pick at nineteen. I would likely I would tend to agree or try to get out of it if that's possible. Go back and watch that show, though, I would encourage. Yeah, yeah, if

he hadn't seen the show from Monday. Spencer wants to know this is a good one with you know, we're leaving for the combine in a few days. Uh. You know we talk about combine darlings, but what about a guy who you don't expect to have a good combine, who he still thinks a good player, like basically a guy with good tape who's not a workout warrior. I think there are a few. Um, have you looked at Royce Freeman, the running back from Oregon. Yeah, I think

he'd fallow that he would fallow in that category. You're absolutely right, he's not a He's not gonna be a workout warrior. Um, you know the I don't think he's gonna be poor in those workouts, but I think he's not going to be great either. DeShawn Hamilton from Penn State wide receiver who He's gonna be a four five five guy probably and in this draft, I mean he's probably a top three route runner, right. U saw Hubbard

from Ohio State. Yeah, a lot of people thinking very highly of him, and he might just have okay numbers, but Ohio State will train hard. I mean those kids will be prepared. But do you think his numbers will be just kind of okay? Probably because I don't think he's that which yeah right, yeah, but a lot of bas like him. I mean, yeah, he's gonna play smart, instinctive, loses his hands, so yeah, I think he's in there.

And then Chub, Yeah, I think more important for Nick Chub's gonna be the medicals making sure that knee's okay, had that big knee injury as a sophomore. I think one name that I think really fits this question is Josie Jewel. Yeah, because he's not gonna test really well, but he doesn't need to because on tape he's really good. Yeah, the instincts are what you're buying with Josie Jewel. You know, we saw him against one on one with Saquon Barkley.

That's a hard matchup for any line back, right, but Josie Joe kind of got exploited a little bit. But I mean there're se Quon Barkley type of backs in this league, so seeing his workout numbers will be interesting. But I don't think it's gonna do much to move the needle with this tape. You know, you feel good if you feel good about the tape. I don't think that combines is really going to persuade you from that. Jared wants to know, Um, what good names really good names?

What position do you all think will be picked the most in the top fifty? Why? What a good question? People will value this receiver as you think I think wide receiver in corner. Yeah, because you look at it, it's it's not gonna be quarterbacks. We'll probably see five quarterbacks, maybe six running backs. Got a shot. Yeah, But I think when you and it goes to you know, the position that you carry most on the team as well, wide receivers and corners. So there's just there's more supply

in this drafts with those positions. Plus they're both two of the strongest positions in this draft. The Phillips payin you love, you love this defensive tackle class. That's what I'm saying, though, could could you could you see like four of those guys, we could easily see ten interior defensive tackles, interior defensive linement off the board and from the top. Oh no, I'm not top fifty. I'm thinking top hunt one hundred. I was just thinking about maybe

four defensive tackles. It depends on like first, Payne Phillipeah Phillips a top fifty, Yes, okay, since there there's five, Yeah, yeah, that's possible. But you look at wide receiver, Yeah, Ridley Moore, Kirk Miller, Sutton, Washington, Washington, Gallup. Maybe I said these wide receivers are You're gonna for a lot of people that people like Sutton, Yeah, you're gonna a different order, A big combine important for him. Yeah, and then a

corner I mentioned, I think corner might be. I think corner is the answer, to be honest, Pink Denzel, Ward Hughes, Giant Aer, Alexander, Josh Jackson, Isaiah Oliver, Carlton Davis, Dante Jackson. I mean that's eight right there, who Award Fitzpatrick Hughes, Alexander Jackson, Carlton Davis. Yeah, I mean six right there that I have. Yeah, So I think corner is the answer. Yeah, black Ice wants to know who's avoid Yeah, no, don't

drive on it. Who's a player you think is going to fly up the board and into the top fifteen who maybe we're not talking about right now, which the combine will do that for you, m top fifteen, which I think that James the obvious James, Yeah, Derwin, James's already there. Do you think he's already He's already there? Okay, okay, But I'm just saying where mocks have had him go in has been kind of in that. I think it's

more because people just don't know what to do with him. Yeah, and so like charge yourself a bunch of Needle and I've been guilty of this too. I'll just put him in not San Diego, La. But I think Derwin James is one of the top twelve players in this draft, so I'll give you and I don't think you like him. I think you like him. You got but you got Pierce above him. Say the name Daniels, the center from Iowa.

You can go top fifteen. I'm just saying, if somebody is thinking about an offense, you know we've had in the past, like Florida State, what was a Florida State guy that didn't Detroit take a cinner? Cameron Irving, Cameron Irving, Cleveland, Cleveland, it was that Cleveland. Yeah, let's not bring up that wound. Well though, that was a you know, but yeah, it was a sinner though, right, Yeah, he's terrible and they traded him to Chiefs for like a fifth throng pick.

But see, that's what I'm saying, thoughts, he's a he's a better player than Irving, though I think I mean not oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but but could it could win? Could your guy Billy Price could when those sinners go up the board and we're not really talking about in a draft without a lot of blue chip guys. You're talking about two quote unquote hate using the word, but

safe players. Yeah, guys that you feel great about the person in the player that you're getting h plug and play, and you have a position filled for the foreseeable future. So I don't think those are crazy names. That makes some sense. I'd still be surprised if either one went top fifteen, but I could see the I mean, I'm just looking for a name of a guy you talked about all those corners though as well. What about Drawn Pain. I don't think we talked about him as much as

a top fifteen, but he's yeah, he's gonna test. Well. You didn't even put him in your tackle list right there a minute ago. I don't know. I did. I did, Yeah, I had, I had him, I had, Yeah, Phillips Pain. I think we talked about him more as a back half, a round one player, right. He could easily go top fifty, He could go top ten. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Oh yeah too. But if you watch him playing those the playoff game in National Championship, if you just had

those two games, those two games could sway you easily. Yeah, easily, Like those two games could sway you. But you watch the rest of the work, you're kind of going, come on, man, win a little more. Those are the first two games you start with. You always want to start with, like the games that and you're like whoa. And then all of a sudden you're watching and play LSU and some other old miss and you're going, where's the same guy that was just pummeling you know Clemson? And yeah, you

know pummeling. Uh you know Georgia, Georgia. One more name all throw Bullamore Jackson, Louisville. Oh, we're gonna talk about that later, right yeah, yeah, But whenever we could get into that right now, that wouldn't be crazy. That wouldn't be crazy for a player with his talent for a team just to high risk kid reward. Hey shoot your shot, let's go for it. People kind of like the same what they did with a tech quarterback. Like right at this home, at this time last year, all we weren't

talking about Mahomes. We were talking about him at fifteen. We were talking about him at fifty. Maybe polarizing crazy guy, Yeah, top fifty, number ten overall is all it takes is one team to believe in him, and you know, say Arizona at fifteen, they need a quarterback. If they fall in love, they believe in him, they we're not gonna wait until the second round and hope you get him. Yeah, I mean, why trade back? And if you have a quarterback you want, don't trade away from him and hope

you get him later. You take him there. So I don't think you could rule out Lamar Jackson. Could Lamar who who's more likely to be a trade up candidate? Jackson or Mayfield? Or can you throw Allan in there too? Oh? Yeah? If if the top two go, if the top two, yeah, it's the top two go. Say the top two say it's like everybody's mock it's Darnel and Rosen, They're gone. Who is the who is the trade up quarterback? Of those three? It's so hard to say because we don't know.

That's really that's fun because it's um like you got Alan, who's like the prototype without the results, and you got Mayfield, who's the results without the build, different skill set. Lamar Jackson's probably in the middle between the two of them, of like he's got the build and some of the results, but some calls this question marks. This isn't a draft of quarterbacks where oh we didn't get our our top guy, would just go with the next best guy, like, yeah,

we don't get him, Okay, we'll just good night. Yeah, we'll just wait, We'll wait get the Yeah, we'll get the Richmond kid or something. So you fall in love with a quarterback and you go and get him, you don't just that's what I'm saying. You know, we we can't trade up from Mayfield, so we'll just take Alan here. No, you you target us specific quarterback and you go and get him. If you told me the Cardinals love Josh Allen, I believe it. You told me they love Baker Mayfield,

I'll believe it. The Lamar Jackson. It's these quarterbacks are so diverse and so so we can't answer who. The hard thing to answer, especially right now pre combined well what's fine? I mean, what one too? Let me ask you this one word questioning. Four of the top six are teams that you could convince me need a quarterback. I mean, you could quip, but going down to the Jets right at six. You can quibble about the Giants if you if you want to, But That's what depends

up what Denver does if they get Cousins. Cousins is the first domino it needs to fall. Yeah, and he could go to Minnesota, who knows, you know, and yeah, and then you have the second tier your case, Keenum's those guys, and once those dominoes fall, we'll have a better idea for these quarterbacks. But all we know Cleveland might love Baker Mayfield. We don't, you know, It's just there's no way for us to know. I think Sam

Donald's a top quarterback. I think he'd be a perfect fit for what John Dorsey's looking for, But we don't know. So it's really hard to talk about these quarterbacks. Was really any certainty. I mean, at this time last year, we're talking about Trubisky is maybe the big guy, and then next thing, you know, KT rolls in here and says he's going top three. Yeah, my sources the same thing. Yeah, you know, there we go. Try it was you, It was you and KT were on that. Yeah, exactly right.

You know. It's just as the this whole process plays out, hopefully we have a better clearer picture of that. But right now it's hard to say. Dakota I don't know if this is Yeah, I mean, I don't north. Yes, I doubt it's. I doubt it's that Dakota back Dakota. He's got better stuff to do than listen to the trash show. Um. Maybe he wants y'all's thoughts on some les who aren't named Derwin James talking about them Knolls, Maybe you guy Naughty, Yeah, McFadden, Sweat. See, I didn't

like Sweat as much. I wasn't as high on Sweat as the others. Let's give it some structure here, Like of the of the options I just gave you, I mean, I would take Naughty over the over the if you gave me the give me the highest ranking knoll not named James, Naughty would be my guy. That's the defensive tack right then. Then I would say probably McFadden and then Sweat. I think it's how I would rank them.

Where would fall on that. I'm not an audate fan, and I didn't bring him up because of the lack of speed. Okay, I'm trying to find I'm okay, if I'm drafting for this team, I'm trying to get a player that can give me something down there. Yeah, I agreed, naughty well ta Varus McFadden plays corner and Josh Sweat plays end. Yeah, I and and maybe Sweat will end up being a two hundred and fifty pounds, So it's up the combine. He's gonna test really well. Sure, how's

that tape? Remember it's okay, he's a If I show you his ten best plays, you'd swear you're watching a slightly smaller Geneveon Clowney. Like you know, the highlights are good, it's just it's a consistency. He's an issue. There also factor in the medicals. He had a devastating knee injury his senior year in high school, and to his credit, he's you know, came he came back really quickly, and he's played well. He's been durable. But teams are still

going to worry about the durability long term. Where's a knee brace on his knee? I've seen that too. Is that the problem? Yeah? Um, so I'm with you more. I saw a guy that played late. Yeah, guy laid off the snap, you know, And you're right about the change of direction, the balance. I think this is gonna test really well. He's gonna test well. I mean he I. The thing about that I had a problem is I didn't see a guy that reacted quickly. That was the problem.

I mean, I felt like that the ball at times was going past him and he was and he was kind of still looking for it, you know. But I I don't know, I didn't see a very powerful guy either. That bothered me as well. Playing that end, I thought he showed improvement against the run as a run just as a run player and you know, doing it, but there's still times where he gave up the corner. Yeah, lost contain and yeah, so I agree with you. He's

I game a three to four based on tape. So, um, I don't know, we'll see McFadden's he's in there, But I agree with you about naughty. He's he's part of this really loaded one technique nose tackle group. Not the not the biggest guy, and he's probably only gonna be about shade over six foot right, right, But he's he's stout, he's powerful, he's got a little lower body explosion. UM. I like the way he can two gap and see through blocks so he can make tackles in the middle

of the field. Not he's a good player for sure, Uh, mister Vayos, which I don't. I don't classify this in the same category as the splash question. He just says, Uh, with this this season being so crucial for the Cowboys coaches, I think that's probably fair last chance and you see them being more aggressive in this draft because of that. And that's why, I mean, you know, giving up next year's one, we'll make it someone else's problem, or draft

a guard because you need a starting caliber player. I mean, it could be something that simple. And that's where that's where the front office has to step in. Well, and that's where it's one of the benefits of your owner and GM being basically the same person, right, because the owner is not going to sacrifice future years right to

go all in and one year. Yeah. Yeah. The coaches obviously have heavy input, right, and if Jason Garrett or the offensive coaches really want a player, they'll make that known. But it still comes down to the front office and especially the Jones family, and they're not going to sacrifice future years just to try and win it all or take that next step immediately. Bonus question, Well, let's go to a break. You have a bonus question. You have one question real quick. Okay, kind I want to get

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Brian brought a stain burglar. David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. We've got about fifteen minutes or so we're gonna get into some pet cats, and I also want to get into some talk with the media, scouts and stuff like that, kind of what we're seeing here and what we're feeling about that. But I want to get into, like I say, the pet cats stuff, and h David, I'll start with you about your pet cats, okay, And I want you

to tell me, tell me the guys. I would give me three guys that you're kind of looking at yours your pet cats, that you would that if the Cowboys managed to draft these guys, you would be totally on board with it. Well, uh, Dane unceremoniously stole one of mine. But he's way more He's way more eloquent than me. So I'll let him talk about that guy. But and I won't beat it into the ground because I've talked

about Derwin James enough. But I just think if you're gonna really you know, somebody asked me today, I was like, well, if they don't get Derwin James, is there a safety that can make an upgrade the position right away as a rookie? And I'm like, no, I don't really think there is. Um you know, I don't necessarily know one hundred percent how you would handle that. You obviously have a wealth of dbs back there to deal with. But I think he's on the field from the get He's

incredibly athletic. I understand Dane's point about, you know, better athlete than football player, but when you're as freakish an athlete as he is, it can help cover up some of your shortcomings as a football player. We've seen that with Byron Jones. I think he could play strong. I think he could play free. Y'all said, y'all told me you think he can play big nickel, which is very intriguing to me. I just I think he's awesome, and the other one it doesn't make a ton of sense

for the Cowboys, But I just love Ronald Jones. I think he gets buried when you're talking about the Barkleys and the guises of the world. I think he's a little bit of a do everything guy. I think he's dynamic. I won't be surprised if he's a first round pick and then one that I've really grown to like, you know, just over the time we've been doing the draft show. Is your boy Jack Sinschi from Wisconsin? I know, I mean, he's played what six games in the last two years.

I get that it's scary, but he's you know, he's one of those like heady Wisconsin Big ten lineback. I mean, you know, a good player. You hate to make comparisons just because of the school, but I've freaking loved Borland coming out of the draft a few years ago, and I think he's just like that. He hits hard, he knows where to be. Smart. Um, he fits all the stereotypes of a walk on. Yeah. No, he's a chip on her shoulder. The hustle, the motor uh yeah, just

the NonStop the way he plays. So I'm with you. He's a good player. It's he's he's gonna be really interesting. I hope he can stay healthy, but next week could be huge for him. Yeah. I just I love that kind of player. I mean, he wasn't a walk on, not that I'm aware of, but like it sounds like Anthony Hitchins. You know, like he's not gonna wow you with that with his athleticism, but you can tell that he loves football and he knows where to be and

makes play. No. He you know, you watch him, and I didn't know what I was really you know, going to expect there, you know, when I was watching that tape. I mean I was thinking, okay, sixteen tape and the first game it's against Ella Shoe and Lash. You can't they're not blocking him. No, I mean he's making every single tackle. He's playing in coverage. He's aware. You know, I'm watching him playing space. The guy's moving around with ease. I mean, there's a lot to like about him, and

I don't know I reached. I mean, I appreciate you kind of. I think you brought his name up in one of our early episodes of a guy, Hey, and you need to kind of take a look at this guy. And I always when you say a guy, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna go watch him. And you've you've yet to be really wrong about him. But I think that to me, that medical kind of hope it comes back. Well, I really do race Tag. That's that's the big mystery with Citchy.

Can you get him in the fourth? It's always kind of been a history of that round where you say, I'm not gonna lie to you. I stuck him in the third. I mean, I feel like you're gonna probably if the medicals check, If that medical checks, he's he's got a chance to come and help somebody. I mean in a big way. I mean, and I'm not talking about this a two down line. I'm telling a guy didn't come off the field and he's not working out

at the combine. Yeah, just people know he's still working back that ACL but he the medicals, you know, teams look good, an update on what's going on with the knee, the just the progress and everything. So the combine is still huge for him. Okay, Dane, who do you got on your three? Uh? For me, I went with, uh, one of my favorite dbs in this draft. In this draft or Shawn Golden, the Tennessee dB. Who you want to play him in the nickel? You want to play him at corner, you want to play him a safety?

I think he can do it all. I think his best positions in the nickel. Uh. With at that position. I am looking for several traits, most importantly play speed and toughness. Right, That's what Golden brings. He has play speed and he has toughness. He's not afraid to hit you. Uh. He moves really well. There's some discipline issues, just becoming more consistent player. But he's a player that I would consider somewhere in the mid second round. He's a top

fifty player in this draft for me. Our boy from South Florida, sonad Dedrin sonad noose tackle, a big boy, and I said that people might get turned off of the South Florida thing, but he had a full ride to Florida State right team. Big teams were recruiting him hard. Not the biggest guy in terms of height or length, and that'll show up some times. He'll stay attached to some blocks at times, but he is powerful to point of attack, really understands how to use that natural leverage.

He has some quickness where he can two gap and make plays and he's just he's very productive. And he saw that on the tape. So Son, if you don't get I don't know if he last eighty one, yeah, but I don't know if you take him at fifty, he might be kind of in between somewhere. But if you don't get your nose tackle in the first and you still are looking for that nose tackle, that's a guy keep in mind. On day two. And then the final guy who David alluded to that I stole, which

I did, Dj Moore, who's just outstanding. It's just fun. I mean, if you look past the height, I don't see how you just don't love DJ Moore. I mean, he's we'll see it the combine. Is he five ten, five ten and a half? Is he under five ten? That'll be a big step for him. Um and as well the other measurables with his arm length and hand size and all that. But he's just he. I see shades of Steve Smith with his power, his quickness, his ability to create after the catch. Is a sharp route runner.

His production this year with five different quarterbacks, that just that speaks for itself. So to me, he's a top three wide receiver in this class and eager to see how he does at the combine. I don't think he's going to test like overly will, but you know I don't expect him to either. If he runs a four five four, that doesn't do anything, that doesn't bother me. No, that's range about that guy. Because the tape is so good. I agree, you know, I think I think you got

the I think you got him right. My three guys, it's no secret how much I love Shot Griffin from UCF. Yep, there's no secret of that. And I know we have to figure out though, where does he gets selected? And I know that that you know guys like you know with Dane and who I again, once again fully trust love to argue Jeff Kavanaugh. He says, where do you take a player that's not going to be a starter for you? Where do you take a player that is

going to be a sub package player? Where are you going to take a player that's going to play special teams for you? I mean, how many snaps are you going to get from the guy? And again, I just kind of I'm in that. I'm in that thing. I'm thinking, Okay, he's gonna be one of my forty six on game day and I'm gonna play him. I'm gonna play him in all those sub package things. And I think that when you play, it's fifty sixty percent of the time

you're playing sub package stuff. I'm gonna find snaps for him there, and I'm gonna find I'm gonna have him on every one of my special teams, anything to do with running, anything with doing with getting down the field, making a tackle and all that. I'm putting this guy involved. I'm gonna put him in some nickel rush stuff. You know. I'm gonna figure out some spots for him. But you're right, I don't and you and Jeff I don't you know where where's the value for this player? And and that's

where I think teams. That's to be one of my questions at the combine with all my old mates. Where do you guys see a guy like Shack Griffin going? And we'll talk about that. I bet you the combine. A matter of fact, he's here tonight. Yeah, for the for the Jason Witt Awards. Okay, yeah, he's one of the finalists. Yeah, he's working on just down the road, him and Fitzpatrick and who else is involved with them? Oh? You put me on the Sitzpatrick Shaq Griffin. Oh and

the quarterback Ocloma State. Thank you za Zack Randolph. He's a basketball player facing Rudolph. But yeah, but but I'm interested in in him, I really really am. I'll tell you what the next one would be. Hayden Hurst be tied end from South car He has my top tight end. I'll tell you who I watched. It was pretty interesting the other day, Dan, you might want to tell me about this guy? Maybe this Lee? Yeah, this from watching Okay, well another day another time for that he's a lot

to talk about it. I'll have to talk about will this. I do like him. I think it's a really good tight end group if you but but hayden Hurst, if you're talking about a guy that could play a little in line, he could play as a wing. They move him around. He's not a trained killer as a blocker. I think he's more of a getting away fit, finished turned steer kind of a guy. But when you talk about throwing the ball down the field, he makes plays. He can adjust across the middle, he can go low,

he can go high. He's got sideline awareness when the ball comes to that direction over there. Hayden Hurst is a guy I think he's probably of the tiding guys. He was I'm looking for the complete guy, but he was the guy that kind of excited me about more the downfield stuff with him. And then my last guy is John Kelly, the running back from Tennessee and now Okay. Him and a kid Walton Malk Walton from from Miami.

Two very similar guys, two very similar guys. If you want to if you're looking for that guy that's a little bit of a change of pace, the quickness, the explore elosiveness to catching. I think that Walton is a little bit better suited as a pass blocker, which I mean, I was watching that tape really strong because I was trying to think, okay, but I just liked more of the finish with with with Kelly. You know, I really

liked the way the power and stuff like that. But you know, he's a guy that that you know, very productive, like when they threw him the football again. I mean, if I could just work on that pass block and a little bit more, I think that, you know, I'm not comparing him to what you know, Mcamara and Tennessee, but somebody is gonna grab one of these backs and they're gonna they're gonna hit on the same way the

Saints did. They're gonna hit on one of these guys in the middle of that board and they're gonna be really happy. But I think it's not gonna be just one guy. I think there's gonna be several guys I love. Yeah, I just happen to like Kelly a little bit more than some of the other of those in the middle of the board type of guys. But Walton is another guy. If if you said, oh, ros how about Walton. I you know what I'm not. I'm not fighting you, Nope.

And I reported a couple of days ago because he missed most of the year with the ankle and jury, and I reported that he's been training and he plans to do everything at the combine. So it's first time we'll see him in a long time. He's kind of been the forgotten guy because out of sight, out of mind. But he is, like you said, a very good player. And I mean on my board, I have Walton. He's in my top ten running backs, top one hundred guy and with a good combine, he might he's gonna gain

some momentum in this process. Absolutely, all right, good lists. You and I were talking about that scouts, right, yeah, yeah, it's the whole media scout and I'm interested in what you say about this too. By the way, Well, I think one of the reasons this dynamic works with us three in the show is you have the perspective. You did it in the war room, you know, and now you're on this side of things, you bring that perspective.

I've invested in my entire life into this. I mean, scouting has been my career and what I've done in the last ten years. And you know, for Dave, it's more of kind of ancillary part of you know what he does, and you know he puts in the time and the work, and so we each bring a different perspective. And it's interesting because there's especially with social media, all the different media scouts that are out there, current voices

that are out there. Sure opinions, and it's not to say that maybe some are better than others, but I think fans, I think fans are smart and they recognize who puts the work in, who knows what they're talking about, who knows what they're looking for, and that brings up, you know, the conversation about a guy like Bill Pollian who is now on the media side, who has Hall of Fame credentials. There's no debate exactly, but with the Wholamar Jackson, you know, he's taking a hard stance on

He's a wide receiver. And it's not to take anything away from Bill Pollion what he's done throughout his career, but you know, and we all disagree, he's yeah bananas with that take, and it's and I've been on Bill Polian's side. I've been on that side of the fence, as you said. And even when he said that, I cringed. You know, I said, no, you can't. You know, I know Daniel Jeremiah's come out and said, if they want if you know, tell them to you know, go go

do something else. If they want you to play a wide receiver, tell the team they go draft somebody else. Yeah, absolutely, he should do that. He should. It's it's strange when Pollian came out with his reasoning and said about how getting the ball in his hands, and you want to figure out more ways to do that? Last time I checked, that's what a quarterback. Yeah, he touches the ball every single snap. So the only well other than it's in the center. Yeah. Absolutely. And look it's is Lamar Jackson.

A perfect prospect by no means what he's saying that he needs work and several areas as a passer. And when you get excited about him on film more than that, it's because of what he's doing with his legs and so you know that that tells you something right there. He needs to get better with his development as a passer.

But at the same time, you know, it's fans need to know who to trust when we're talking about this kind of thing, and Bill Pollian again has those credentials, right, It doesn't mean you take him everything he says to face value. You know, you watch Lamar Jackson for yourself, make your own decisions. And let me make it clear too, Bill Pollion's the minority. Yeah, you know, it's not like that's what a lot of NFL teams are thinking. The majority of teams, at least the ones that I've talked to,

see him as a quarterback. I've not heard one team say he's a wide receiver on a board, but that's how we're viewing. I don't Yeah, I haven't heard that either. This I mean it much less so because of the positions involved. But it kind of reminds me of the Jabril Peppers, you know, just. I mean, you could kind of you could paint a pretty good infographic of who thought what and who did what amount of work based on what they thought about running back. Yeah. Yeah, and

I don't know. I mean, you know, people that listen to this show are in another category than ninety eight percent of the people who follow the draft or football in general. You know, So I know our listeners are smarter than the average football fan. And I would like to think anybody with above average intelligence can kind of pick out the the bs basically, and I mean ninety percent of that stuff, it's just white noise and same thing, you know, And you know, obviously mock drafts work. I'm

not I don't have a problem with mock drafts. Like they get clicks, they're interesting, they make you think, like, I don't have a problem with that at all. But you can kind of see who does and doesn't know what they're talking about, just based on what they're thinking and what they're doing with those you know, fake picks, and so, like I said, I would hope that anybody who puts a little bit of thought into it can kind of parse out the crap from the genuine insight.

And if Lamar Jackson three years from now does not work out, that does not mean that Bill Pullian was right. Yeah, I mean you had to you have to try Lamar Jackson as a quarterback, and he has to make you to wrong, right, And I mean, has Bill Pollant never seen him runner route, no catch a pass? That's that's I mean it. There's a little more to playing the wide receiver position than just being an athlete. I think you have to keep an open mind about that. I

said that opened in the show. I don't think that you can have the nineteen ninety two mentality or nineteen ninety three mentality. You know, if that's the case, then then Josh Allen is accuracy problems end? Did you make them a tight end? Yeah? You shouldn't have that attitude. There's there's I mean, I'm sorry if this is simplistic, but there's just no way that Pat Mahomes can be a top ten pick and Lamar Jackson needs to play wide receiver. Yeah, I just I just my my my situation. No,

with the whole thing. I never have a problem with anybody's opinion, media, scout or whatever. I don't have as long as you do the work. Yeah, go do the work. If you know, if you're if you're not doing the work and you're trying to tell me, oh, this is how I have them rated and you and you haven't done the work, then I don't, you know, because there's no there's nothing perfect about what we're doing. I mean, we're trying to say, investigate, educate, that's what we're trying

to do, you know. And I think I've been the first one who admit when I'm wrong about these players. I think that's one of my strengths to say, you know, I was wrong about Joey Bosa. I've fought him new tooth and nail on Joey Bosa, and I admit that. But see the thing about it is, though I think that you, like you said, David, I think people are smart enough out there, but if you come at us with stuff, you know, make sure you're educated, make sure you make sure you've sat down, and hey, this is

what I've done. And that's the cool thing about you know, in this day and age, like Dane said, fans are smart like you can. This information's out there for you to find and right smart people, hey Parson, whatever you have to do to dig and find more. But the guys like Bill Pollian who are Hall of Fan, the Hall of Fame, you know, Bill Polian ain't always right, and that's and that you know, don't ever forget that

as we're not always right either too. But we will will do our very best satting average exactly all right, Hey Gosten, thank you everybody out there. Money show will be uh combine driven. We will be in Indianapolis on Tuesday shows, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday next week. From the Combine, we get it all covered from you there, Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones, all the opinions, everything going on there. So we will see you Monday at ten am. Thanks again for joining us.