Draft Show: Overthinking it?

definitely draft time. Here from the Star in Frisco. We've got Bobby Belden Studio, Brian Bradis Ayesha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's Chris Beam running everything in the back. How are we doing? Everybody great? Never better, never better. Everything's up, nothing's down. That's awesome. Doro pointing up. Yeah. You guys getting to the point now where you're just trying to decide these last few guys. You're like trying to feel if they deserve to be on your board or not.

Pretty much, you'll get to that point. I'm getting to that point, like I'm not going to add another guy here just because I'm looking at another guy, you know, Yeah, a little bit of that more just like the do I have a blind spot, like trying to figure out if there's somewhere where I'm just I'm missing somebody that, like I remember, oddly enough, a couple of years ago, I got started way too late on Kelvin Joseph because I just I didn't have him in the mix. Somehow

I'd overlooked it. And so that's what I'm trying to do right now. I was just just trying to make sure I'm not like overlooking somebody who's like really substantial. That was Duran Bland for me last year. Duran Bland. I didn't even have him on my board. I barely had him on even the draft magazine last year, and he showed up as a thirty visit and then I said, Okay, maybe maybe we should go watch this guy and see

what's going on here. And even when I watched him, I didn't know if you would be what he was this year. I don't think any of us expected him to be the Dran Bland we saw as a rookie. But for the most part, I really I missed him, I think last year, and so I'm doing the same thing, right. Well, that's the thing that you know, it's one thing for us to miss somebody. Teams don't need to miss these guys, know what I'm saying this as long as you know.

And that's the you know, when you when you have the really the guys and the gals that do this like full time, the media, you know, the Dame Bruglers of the world and those guys. They they start on this like on Memorial Day, you know, and so they they've got to handle on three hundred something guys, four hundred something guys, you know. And that's the thing I just my biggest fear was always doing this, the media stuff, is they draft somebody that I don't know. You know.

That's when all of a sudden, like you know, you know, Kyle announces, well they took so and so, so and so from Oregon State, and you go, I have no idea who they just took about Nishan, right well, not trying to do right now. Yeah, that's trying to avoid that, right, Yeah, that's no. That's the thing. You want to be able to have somewhat an opinion, Like people will send me

these mock drafts. If you guys haven't muted me on Twitter by now I applaud you guys for you know, why have you Why have you not just unfollowed after the LA that's you know, I lost like I lost, like I lost like two hundred followers after that deal.

By the way, it's fine, but anyway, the that's your that's your biggest fear that you get to a point where, man, you can look at one hundred ninety players, two hundred players, and then all of a sudden, somebody comes off that board that they took that You're like, why did I not think about this? Now? Why did I look at this guy from sorry Coastal Carolina? But I didn't look at the guy that they brought in from Liberty? You know, why did it? What was my thought process along the

way with that? But that's the advantage that the full time you know, scout guys and gals that cover the Scout cover the draft full time that they have they start and they can carry all those guys. Yeah, you know, but man, it's it's getting to the point where I'm like, does this guy deserve to be on? Should I talk about you know, having notes? Should I have notes about

this guy? And that's that's the tough. It's easy to watch be Jean Robertson and others, everybody that's on this draft magazine beautiful magazine by the way, Yeah, but everybody. And I'm gonna get you guys to sign this copy for me. But the but you know, it's easy to see those guys. But it's the guys, like I said, the guys from Liberty and Coastal Carolina and stuff like that, that you're this guy might be a sixth or seventh round guy, and you're kind of like, Okay, that's I

think you're right about that. You know, That's where I'm at. That's where I'm kind of at. Also, too, are you ready for this thing to be going? Well, I'm I'm on the fifth I'm kind of like you, man, I'm trying to shore up loose ends. A lot of people, you know, a lot of people tag us on Twitter and they're like, hey, look at this player, Hey this player.

So what I do is screenshot that us rain shot it, and I'll go back at the end of the week and say, okay, because those are guys that probably a lot of time I've missed, Like one guy that's really really really circling right now, I'm saying what I'm to see. I looked at Tyree Stevenson because I've started hearing about him, but Corey Trice from Purdue back been hearing a lot about him and again, and he was one of the

guys that I think that I just missed. And with his ball skills and some of the stuff he does, I'm like, he's a guy that I feel like I missed week. And so that's you know, my followers helped me out as well. Well. I know I know this because John owning U and I know John listens to our program and John does a really nice job. And John's like, you've seen this Trice kid from Purdue. Yeah, And I'm like, no, should I? He goes, yeah, worth

your time. And then he's like six three two h six and you watch him play and you're going, thanks, John, I appreciate you doing that for me. But you know, there's like there there are some guys that I see. You just don't want to miss somebody that they said somebody drafts in the third round. You know, it's one thing if you miss a six or seventh round guy, you move on, But somebody drafts something in the third and you're like, I didn't see him. You know that

that's the thing that scares you a little bit. He sent me that message too, He said, tell me more perdue corner, Corey Trice. This dude is press demon. I responded, it was the day I submitted my reports on the draft magazine. I said, I swear, John, I just submitted my Draft magazine rankings. If you make me go watch this guy and he's a stud, I'm gonna be upset. Yeah, I'm gonna be mad. And he's good. He's real good. I put a fourth round grade on absolutely. Yeah, I

think he's a good player. Tell me more about about Corey Trice before we start getting into some of these thirty visit guys. I'll tell you what you know with Trice. I was surprised, man. I mean, this guy is a what we call a boundary corner. And when you say a boundary corner, he's a guy that plays to the side where the short side of the field, so you can watch him flip sides depending on what side the ball is on the hash he's to the short side of the field, so he's you can mention he's six

three's two h six. This guy this is one of my lines, and it kind of I hate to say this, but it's one of those things when I was watching him play, and maybe you guys can help me on this one. I'm not sure if his anticipation is really good or he's just a great guesser. And I mean that in a way of like his anticipation it looks really good, or he's just really good at being right where he needs to be, you know, playing the ball and driving on the ball, you know, reading the quarterback,

being right where he needs to be. But there's there's some snaps when you see him read and then drive and not I mean this guy knocks down passes the length the ball down the field. He plays, He's got a feel for how to play. John was talking about the press coverage stuff. He's a hard guy to get away with when he's in that mode because of that length and that ability to move, and I like the guy throws his body around and make plays. So again, John,

thank you very much for talking about this guy. You know, you're absolutely right. I think I put him in the third Yeah, okay, it's what I did, and do you Yeah, especially too because of the he's showing what he can do on special teams. But when you look at the league now, the league right now, one of the first things I'm looking at with corner is can they press?

Can they press well with these any video receivers and stuff like that jam in them is going to be incredibly important moving forward, and this guy is not afraid to do that. Also to you brought up, just how he the anticipation. He flows well within the zone like it's very natural for him. And he's gonna make you pay. That's the thing I like about him, and that's how that's what I want from every corner. I feel like, is if you're gonna throw the ball my way, I'm

gonna make you pay. And when he comes up and tackles, he's gonna make you pay. I liked. I also like how willing he is in the run games to come up, like you said, throws his body around. That's something that you know we talk about with corner now. I don't think it's a requirement, but if your corner can do it, it will definitely change our offenses try to attack you,

especially with all the screen game and all that stuff. Now, So ye had that was what I was impressed with He understands his length to like his arm length, and how to keep guys like keep guys outside of their route or just at the top of the route to just change up things. I was impressed with him. He was he was a fun watch. He was one of my most fun watches. Actually, That's why I was so excited about him. And he's the type of corner. He's my type of corner. He really is my type of corner.

Some ball skills, can play obviously, can play men, can play in the zone. And he ain't afraid to tackle. And he got a little chip on a show to Yeah. Absolutely, I like him a lot, Thanks Sean. And there have been reports that one of your other corners, mister Emmanuel Forbes of Mississippi State, was in the building this week, so that's been reported out there. It is thirty visit time.

We had Dallas Day on Friday. I usualy needed to have lunch with him and made sure he had some of that good pizza they have here in this cap Bobby case. Then, because he feels like he did big, I mean he is he is that big. That's that that that when you do that, that's yeah, he is Bobby's skinniest owner. I can remember seeing yep period, and I mean, I just I don't know how well that protects when you're talking about extreme outliers that we don't

even have. Like you can point to Richard Robinson, he's a similar one, but we talk about a real extreme outlier that it's like this resets what we've really ever seen at the position. That's really hard for me to feel comfortable. Can see him though, Did you see him at the combine? Did you see like a frame and everything? I don't think that. I don't know that that's a frame that puts on weight. If it's that long, it's tough.

It's tough when you're because the muscles and stuff that it's like those offensive linemen that have real long arms and they can't bench press very well because the travel of the bar is so far. Can I ask a question real quick, Kyle, if you don't mind, Yeah, are we seeing something different in the philosophy of the Dallas Cowboys when it comes to evaluate players because of Zay Flowers on a visit Smaller Forbes. I mean, you know, all we've ever heard of even high it's slightly built

that and I think. I think, yeah, I think the thing with Will McClay is just like Will likes big players, He's gonna draft big guy. But the fact that they got to say Flowers in here on a visit and then you talk about Forbes with the you know, how linear built he is. There is there a change in philosophy with what they're doing or is it just trying to evaluate a particular draft class that's got slight shorter players.

It feels the fact that they've you know, brought in Flowers, they've had highatty, they have shown interest in Marvin Mems, who I think a lot of teams would view as a slot specific guy. I don't know that they would, but I mean there are a lot of teams that would. Um, it feels like a shift of some sort or you know, maybe it's just an investigation, like you say, of a

smaller it's just who the draft is. Yeah, yeah, but I mean it it breaks what feel felt like a really hard and fast rule for that exactly, and so traits that they look now now, look, they've they've brought in guys on visits before that they really had no intention of ever picking. They had no intention of picking Widermeyer last year from Texas A and M, and they probably they wanted to investigate some things, and so I

don't know. Maybe maybe there are certain answers they're looking for or certain things that they want to see, or maybe they're just trying to figure out maybe they want to get them in here for a visit and trying to figure out a little bit better if they feel like, yeah, you're smaller, but do we think you can still take some reps outside. Maybe they're just trying to get, you know,

finished their homework on that to see that. But it does feel like a little bit of a shift when you see some of the receivers that they've been connected to Lordie. I would hope that they just see who the playmakers are and they're trying to explore the playmakers. And it's that simple. That's all I have. There's a lot of playmakers in the building, but there's different size to playmakers. And that's the thing is is just because there are a thirty visit doesn't mean they're going to

be picked. I mean, that's that's fact of the matter. But the fact that they are bringing in multiple guys like that, I agree with Bobby. I think it's a tip of the toe in the water, like you're dipping the toe on the water a little bit, just to kind of test. Didn't see. Okay, maybe maybe there's something in this Jalen Hyatt prospect. Maybe there's something to Emmanuel Forbes. By the way you piqued my interest, I looked up smallest and by by smallest, I mean thin corners in

the history of the NFL combine. He is in the zero percentile at one sixty six. He might be the thinnest corner that has ever made its way to the combat. Really tall thin corners. I think of Cordell Flott, I think Chard Robinson, I think of Drake Kirkpatrick years ago, and he's smaller than all of them. Yes, And so can we ask you a question? Do we make this scounting too hard? No? Nah? And what way? What do

you mean? I'm asking you this question because you were talking about just go take the best player the way the way you just said it, it seemed like we as a group, we as in like a draft community, as a draft community. Nah. I mean this is your first rodeo going through this, and I and you know what the way you said that, I think you're absolutely right, because we we we put so much valuation and traits and this, and you just said, go get the best player, go go, go go look at the who the best

players are, Go evaluate who those guys are. And I think there's a lot to that. I think we get away. I think we get away from that that we we look at the measurables and things like that, like the old krusty scouts like me, like we would have never we would have never taken a quarterback like Bryce Young, even though the tape with Bryce Young is beautiful to watch the way he plays, But we would have the measurables would have gotten our way, the measurables would have

taken us. Well, he's not really this this is what he is. No, he's he's the guy that's playing. It just made me think about the way you said it, like don't don't make this hard. Yeah, Save Flowers to me is a guy that if you if you're not using a thirty visit for him like you're tripping, Like he's that dynamic. And also to just get in to meet him and just kind of understand him a little bit. At the combine, just dude is playing and for a lot,

and he cares. His character is there, but you can see that in his play he cares about every ball that's not on his way, and I just, I mean, you can see that in his workouts. Every one of them has been good, a good workout, and we don't see that. I feel I just feel, like like you said, I'm just not overthinking it with a guy like him. Yet he's undeniable, like what you see on tape. So the size thing matters. But at the same time, it's like what I see is what I know what I see,

and I see a playmaker. I see a guy that can separate almost every time he gets the ball, and that's different, right, Yes, that's what you're looking for, right, So why why make it hard? Exactly? So that's just kind of why I'm man. No, I just the way you said it made me think, like she's right, no doubt, don't make it. Don't make this too hard. Now you're gonna there's certain measurables and certain traits and stuff like that,

the outliers zero percentile things you're talking about it. It's it's nice to have a slot specific player, but I mean, just like it's nice to have a two down defensive lineman, but it doesn't like fill my team out enough. Well, so I do understand thement of like I'm not saying you should write off everybody or whatever, but I do understand when people go, if you can only play in the slot, that limits what this value is supposed to

mean in the first round. See, that's the same thing to that you get an argument with the people about the running back stuff. Taking a running back in the first round. Sure, you know, like we had on one oh five three, the fan we had we had a discussion about Bijean Robinson, you know, and there's there there's a side of me of the Dallas Cowboy fan base that absolutely is against a draft in Bijen Robinson at

twenty six. And there's another side of the fan base it's like, why would you pass on this type of a player? And so you know, then you get into that, you get into that argument where I think there's people the guys that and galas that don't want Bijan Robinson are hoping, like hell he gets taken by Tampa Bay or Baltimore ahead. So you don't have to make these guys have to have a decision on it. And yeah, and then you've got the other side of the world

that's going. Please let him get to us. Please let Jerry Jones have to stand in there and make that pick. Yep, you know I've never I mean, it's so strange how traits and running back to me, bij I saw Bijean Robinson the first of December. He hasn't changed for me. I've seen one hundred and ninety something players. Now, you know, it hasn't changed for me. But that's what I'm to your point, though, it's one of those things, it's like this, just take the best players, Just take that. Don't let

things cloud your judgment about these players. And that's a different question though, Beijean. I think versus us, well, people will argue. People will argue about the running back that value now and maybe in this drap, maybe this drap because this thing. I don't know about your board, but my board I could take this thing like into the fifth round and feel good about running backs. I can't too. Yeah, yeah, I think a lot of them, I think specifically to

that course, that's a different discussion. That's a discussion about positional value things that because there's not weaknesses to be Jean Robinson, Like, what you're talking about with the slot specific players is not even positional value. It's a position people value a lot, and they're saying that you don't match up the way other people at this position do.

There's no question Bjean Robinson's like can do everything right, and it's a question more about how much do you value the position of running back as a whole or whenever people talk about how much do you value strong side linebacker? Is that something that's worth enough to do that anymore? With the receiver angle, it's no. We all have, i think established the value of the position itself. That's probably why it's such an issue for people when you

have a slot specific players. This is such a valuable position and we need you to do so many different things that if you only do one, it's it's like what if what if you're what if you're a great player as a slot player, what if you're a Pro Bowl All Pro player as just a slot receiver? When there have been those yeah, I'm asking you're going to hit and miss on some of those guys because you can.

For every guy that you can talk about that is Julio Jones and these big receivers that are on the outside. And I've been wrong about that Treadwall kid, but that's the churn. Yeah, you could turn, you turn things around. You can say okay, but there's also a Tyreek Hill. There's also of who can play. Jalen Waddle. There's also he could play. But he was still taken, but it was he was he's character issues. He would have gone higher for every one of those guys that have those matchups.

There are guys that overcome their limitations and that they are going to be there. You could say the same thing about a quarterback too. I mean taking the best player quarterback. Let's use two guys that went to the same school and almost had the same results in college. Jalen Hurts he was an underrated prospect, but he's turned into a hell of an NFL quarterback. A couple of years prior, Baker Mayfield was an overrated prospect, and of

course he had the Heisman trades. He was the first overall pick, but you'd look at maybe just taking the best player there. He didn't work out the same way either. So there's there's ways that it goes both directions. That's why you have such a split on this. It's no perfect answer from a draft community as a whole. I think you can and should look for exceptions to your rules. I don't think you should revise your rules based off exceptions.

It's a great way to play, like I don't think that because exception you completely change your rules in the face of all the other day you can keep an eye out for those outliers and those sorts of people. But I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to then just throw my rules like, oh okay, I gotta trash these rules because this one guy breaks them. That's what Parcels used to say to us. He would say, you draft an exception, then you have a team full of exceptions that was

then with an exception. But I wouldn't want to like restructure my rules because I had one. Yeah, yeah, now, that's a great way to put it in and teams, I think battle that every year because of what they

did in the draft last year. Same thing. I mean, you could take a wide receiver in the third round right now, the first thought that's going to come in your head is Jalen Tolbert first round or a third round first year not working out the same way that doesn't mean you shouldn't take one in the first round or in the third round as well. All right, let's go to the second or let's go to our first break. Second segment. We've got Twitter on the twenty coming up.

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laughing at? Just that that I threw out a grenade, a player grenade right when we're coming back on I'm laughing at you and your comment about flowers. Yeah, I know. And then I looked at you, and then I looked across the table and I used to if she had the middle of an adverage, she couldn't talk if she if she had if she had the length of that corner we talked about from Purdue. She'd have grabbed your I gotta watch maybe I gotta watch Clinton, Johnson and you.

So let's let's no I into it really quickly. What what was? What was it? I just said, I just like I thought you were talking about Flowers. I was. I said, Quintin Johnston is better than Zay Flowers. And I don't think Zay Flowers is going to be able to win the same way at the NFL the way he wins at college. You agree, I agree with the Johns, the Johnson Flowers. Yeah. I have Johnston is my number three wide receiver and have Flowers is number four. I'm

watching McCain. I like Quinton Johnston a watch, which I don't think he's a bad I don't think he's a bad play And we're talking about because he's on the cover of this the Star magazine right here. I mean, he's good looking purple up on the front of the Star. I signed, I signed my name. Have you heard this? Have you have you heard this man talk? John? Yeah, he was on the radio with you. That's the voice of God. He's got great It is it is, it

is wild how deep his voice is. Sean over at the station had him when we got him on the air, he had him say in a world because it's voice was so deep, and so it was great. He was good. So one of the guys he reminds me of when he talks is uh, Danny McCrae who works up stairs lu of course he Danny's got that real deep, raspy voice and he kind of talks like this. And then Quinton Johnston when he was on on with you guys, I was listening in and he had that deep yeah,

go tigers. He had that deep voice in it as well. So I think he's got a future in broadcasting, hopefully twenty five years down the line when he's done with a great height. Felt people couldn't tell the difference. We had him and Kendra Miller on at the same time. People are like, I can't tell whose voices who? They're both just like these deep, bassy like voices, and it's like somebody would suggest there, like I think Quinton Johnson just did the interview for both of them and said

he was Kendred. That's awesome. All right, Let's let's get into some twitter on the twenty Twitter on all right, this one starts with let's go with Chase Aglar. He says, right now, shout out Chase if the draft is to dinner, Oh did you really? Very nice? Shout out to Chase. What is my favorite pick for you right now at twenty six? What do you feel like is the pick if the draft were tonight? What would you go with?

Brian the favorite? As who I would want or who the team is going to want to say, I think as the team is going to take Tea, I think they're leaning for offensive linemen here. Okay, I think that's I know it's a wide open situation, and you know, the if we're starting to kind of hear some of the things for the thirty visit guys. I know they're bringing in wide receivers and trying to kind of figure

that out. But to me, this team is really good at drafting these offensive linemen late in a draft in the first round, and I kind of feel like they got a little bit of a hole there at left guard. So to me, I think they were looking at a one of those guards, Torrents Orla. Yeah, I think I think you're kind of looking at that direction. If it was me or I would like to ruin Right from Tennessee by the way, Yeah, you're trying. You're trying to will that one. I'm trying to I think I like

him a lot. I think right at Tennessee the offensive tackle. You could play him at guard, and I think he's a better prospect than the other two that are straight guards that I was going to ask you if you had a tackle. You guys had a tackle on the board in comparison to the guards that you have first round grounds for. Are you picking the tackle because he already said it, but I think I think Right does

translate better to guard. I think he does too, and I think he has the flex So if you wanted to maybe put him out a tackle, you could, But you've done it already. You made the switch last year. Are you willing to do it again? That's my biggest pause. And it goes back to what Brian's talked about. And I've learned a lot from you across the table through

these last couple of years. But you always say, if you have an abundance at one position another one, Yeah, this is another guy that could do both things guard and tackle. Talking about Darnell Right, from Tennessee. If if he is the pick of twenty six, it's because he can start right now. It's because he can come in

and play and make that sweat. My question is are they gonna they're tight ends going to be higher on their board than those guards When when you start to talk about the stack, when you look at like they go, if they have one hundred and fifty names and they stack them from one to one fifty, I wonder, is like Mayor going to be at twenty three, Kincaid at twenty five, Musgrave at thirty, and then say, for example, towards it thirty six, a v at forty. You know,

how where's that going to be? Yeah? I wonder if they if they go, if they go with that they I mean they if they go with their stack that way. They had a higher graded player on the board last year when they took Tyler Smith, I mean the safety from Georgia, which they had him higher, and they ended up going Tyler Smith. So I mean, so you're saying the stack doesn't matter to them. Oh, No, I think it does. I just think it's a blend of you know,

it is a blend of need and talent. Like I mean I think that when seeing I believe based off of the board that was put together by John Mashouda over the at the Athletic when when Jerry showed to everybody, Scene was fourteen I think, and Tyler Smith was sixteen. Yeah, I think they felt pretty good about Donovan Wilson and Jay Ronkers, so that it's like, these guys are close enough that will take the guy that we could really use,

which is the offensive line. And so I mean similarly, I think if they were looking at it and they had maybe a tight end graded a little higher than one of the offensive lineman left, they would look at it and say, the offensive line might be more valuable to us. So they're close enough that we can justify this. I just think that tight end groups stretches a little better than the guards early, if that's the route they're

gonna go. I agree with that because there's more there's more starting caliber tight ends in the second, third, fourth rounds than you probably would get at guard or even tackle. Right, do you guys have the first round grade for Skronsky? Yes, yes, he's way gone. I'd be thrilled. I Skronsky somehow ended to you myself to Kansas City, Kronsky got to seventeen, I'd be like, pick up the phone and trade up.

I love Scornsky. We were talking about that, like if there were some guys I think we did on the show last week. We were talking about if one of those guys got to Detroit at eighteen, were willing to flip a two to go that direction Scnsky, I would. I would to go get him that. Say, your board is wiped out, like your top guards, and Cody Malk is there. Do you think he's going to be there in a second at twenty six second? Yeah, she's not

wrong about this. By the way, this is a really good thought asking just because of the wiped out like who like Torrance and a Vel aren't there at twenty six exactly? But but I don't think Cody. I don't know how far Cody malk is gonna go into the second just because of how the flex. I know, if you're looking at him at a left deck, well you might be like, oh, he can wait. But if you like I can push him in that guard right now, then maybe he is somebody I'm asking No, no, no,

I know I'm saying anything. I think. I think if Torrance and a Vila go in the first twenty five. Some really good players have been pushed down the board to you that you wouldn't have thought would have been there at twenty six. And so at that point I would not No, I would. I wouldn't take milk in the first And if you if you're talking about Avila,

who Avila and Torrens who? I think are you talking about Dallas's ranges when people are going to start looking at them, if they were to go earlier, that means other players have not gone ahead of you that you were probably expecting. So maybe maybe be Jean does get pushed down the board further, Maybe all the receivers make it to you, maybe Jackson Smith and Jigba is there and Quinton Johnson. So I feel like you'd have a really strong value play if those guards went earlier than

you're I don't think they're gonna get wiped out. I don't either, it would it would. It's a good question too, because you got to talk about that, because you know there was I remember I remember in the in the draft, the CD LAMB Draft, Diggs was a Diggs was being talked about at seventeen and they got him in the second round. You know, I mean the football gods that night were with you, but that that was something that we said, what, you're wiped out? You know, I think

Chason was. We were talking about Chasons Melo Shoe and Jacksonville took him in. You know, like you're thinking, well, you know, if he's gone, well who then they pick Lamb and then all of a sudden, well, hey that was nice to had Digs in that holding area and then he turned around and get him in the second round. Yeah, that kind of stuff. You don't know. But I don't

think they're gonna get wiped out. But I think you got to kind of talk about Yeah, I think that they'll have somebody there um that not only is a fit value wise, but a fit forward something they could use. I don't I don't think they're going to have just a straight wipe out there. Doesn't make you uncomfortable now that now it feels like universally everyone feels like he's

going to be guard doesn't make you feel weird. We knew that about Quit, we knew that about Layton Vanderish sure, but the first of April you started kind of getting a vibe you got Triston Hill. That was all the way in the second round. Yeah, you had, you had this feeling that they were going to do. I don't know today you can identify who the player is. I think you can identify the positions. I think it's that

that heavy. I don't think it's it's that cut and dry, because I think, oh, no, depends on how the board's gonna fall in front. Yeah, but I'm trying to I'm trying to answer my dinner partner's questions. Sure, you know, and I and you say, you say, okay, what what what player do you think or what position? You know? The one thing that we know is this team and they draft at the end of the first round, and it's an offensive lineman. It's generally a hit for them.

They have a history of this, and I feel like they have a they have a need at left guard. I understand whatever he's talking about with Tyrn Smith. Tyler Smith to me is your left tackle. That's that's me. That's just how they might tell they You know, they stopped listening to me in two thousand and five. You know, that's the last time I got to say anything in a room, you know. So we actually based off of

these questions. We actually knocked out four of the questions Yeah yeah, by by hitting this conversation, so a bunch of people got their their questions. I do not think it is like slam dunk guard. I would agree that's the likeliest spot, but I don't think it's slammed up, like if you were to ask me to name players, like if you asked me to name players right now, like if I were to handicap it and try and put odds on it, just position versus player versus how

I think they probably like some guys. The two names that I keep coming back to right now are probably Dalton Kincaid, the tight end from Utah, and Steve A. Villa, the guard from TC. Brian brought us on Twitter fires into question fight ta Morrison, who would you like to draft at twenty six? First of all, I would like to go on and say that a month ago on this show, I said that if you got a guard, you'd be cooking with gas. So I'm not opposed. Are

you crawfishing element? That might be? It might be, but I'm just saying that that's I don't have a problem with guard. Don't do don't do me like that? Okay, who do you want? Who do you want? No? No? Yeah, no, no no. At twenty six, Ward is available. Yeah. Yeah, you're outside of the likely top ten. Somebody falls. Yeah, you're taking Forbes. Hi, you're taking Forbes at twenty six. I don't know. I'm conflicted because I really like DJ Turner that I've been looking at as a late Okay,

DJ Turner's a damn good player at Michigan. How of an athlete. I think he might be one of the best, the better man corners of this this draft. Um, I thought he was really I said, really sticky. He's not afraid to tackle the ball. Skills are present and he has. They even brought him on some corner blitzes because he's so fast. They know he's going to get to the quarterback. It's funny because he played for Michigan and he reminds me a lot of how Jordan Lewis played, just that

chip on his shoulder. I'm kind of I'm not a huge guy, but I throw my body around like I am like And he also has the special team's ability he can come in because that's something that's really important. I think for whatever corner they bring in is that you need special teams help right now, you honestly may be looking for whoever is there going to be the replacement for CJ. Good with moving forward, like you need to establish a new ace like or like another guy there.

So I like what you're saying because I think that that, to me, Turner would be an option if you trade it out of the first round. Sure, early second, that's yeah, very early second, like forty. That's kind of how I see this guy at the fortieth spot. That's kind of I would look at it. Yeah, he put on a little bit more way too, if I'm not mistaken. Sounds like he put on ten more pounds and then in this offseason after Combine he was won seventy eight, So

do you put on some more from there? It's good player, man, I think that's when he put on the extra ten pounds. But you know, people are spoken well about him and what he's capable of, and I mean, I like Emmanuel Forbes. I don't think he's gonna beat her though. Personally you think he's gone before twenty six, I think he's gone. Do you know what DJ Turner's birth name is? Say it this is the first time I've read it. Oh, wand Drago that's okay, that's Wan Drago Turner. Let's make

the pick turn in the car. I see it was DJ and I like open it up and it's like one Drago DJ Turner. Geez, that's sick. All right, Yeah, that's a that's an alpha name if I've ever heard name. All right, Paul says, have you guys studied any traitsy late round corners that we could luck into, like a Duran Bland or of course a brown back in the day. Do you have any of those guys that are on your board that you've looked at you like later I'm gonna say day three, that's where we'll cut it off.

Maybe like a fourth, fourth round or later guy that you liked the traits on him? How about okay, let me let me pull up my corners here too. Yeah, and go real quick here. This is terrible radio. When you don't have it, you're not prepared for this. I'm gonna tee what it is. It's live radio. It's live radio. So I'm gonna give you. As I'm scrolling through my list here, I know that I don't know what people really really think about about Eli Ricks. Okay, okay, now

I think we've talked about Ricks before. But I'm gonna give you another guy here. Maybe he looked at Cameron Mitchell from Northwestern. I've not seen him, but he's on my list. Five eleven one ninety one another boundary corner. The reactions, the the defense world of the inside routes. He attacks him. I see him getting you know, I mean, he gets himself in position to make a lot of plays. I feel like this is one of those guys that's really smart because he has a good feel for what

the receivers trying to do to him. You know, He's one of those guys that can run the route with the receiver. And there was only a couple of times where like I saw separation, but man, he rallied back to coverage and he didn't give up any really big plays. Asia doesn't like him because he's a fifty fifty tackler, and I don't blame her for that. But he's not afraid the contact. He just doesn't do a very good job of that. So smart awareness or his best traits.

Cameron Mitchell five eleven one cornerback at a Northwestern's kind of that fourth round guy. To me, he was All Big Ten in twenty twenty one. He did not have an All Big Ten honoree in twenty twenty two, so he's better. It looks like he had a bad team at Northwestern. That's fair, that's but they had a really good tackle guard on their Yeah, we really like Scronsky and that's that's that's about it. Uh finished second on

the team in twenty twenty one, five PBUs. Yeah, I mean started all twelve games, and he came back and he started another twelve games as well, So I mean, overall, you really like what he's brought to the table. Actually, he was Honorable Mentioned in twenty two as well, so he actually he did get some Big ten honorees there, didn't Ebody watch the kid Bennett from Maryland, Jacorean Jakorean Bennett. He's down for me to watch. He's down. I saw

him opposite, but it wasn't like I was studying him. Okay, see, and I saw him on the Senior Bowl tape a little bit. I've heard some good things about him, but yeah, I gotta take a look myself. Well, okay, here's your trades guy. He's one of the fastest testers at the combine, and when you study his film, you could see the athletic ability. It kind of translates into his game. He is uh one of the leaders of the Big ten when it came to defending passes. So you see him

cutting off routes. He's not gonna let receivers go inside. He tries to make every single ball a contested ball. Good body control, He'll stay you know, he'll stay in phase with the double move stuff. He's a loose hip guy, you know, flip go. That's when it's so. I kind of feel like though, you know, he had twenty seven passes defensed over the last two seasons. Wow, So you watch him. He's a downhill player. If he has a downsides, he gets penalized a lot four three even forty, a

one four eight split. He had a forty and a half vertical and an eleven inch broad jump. That Trady, I'm I'm in on the traits. Yeah, that's a that's a good answer for our friend Paul. What is so?

I feel like whenever you say traits, especially at corner, people are gonna wonder about Like it's hard for somebody to feel like somebody's a traitsy prospect without long speed, but like I really like Jaalen Jones from Texas say yeah, okay, yeah, And Jalen Jones is a guy who, like, if you look at the forty yard dash, you're in four to five to seven, which is not great. It's not great long speed, but the ten yards split on him is one four eight, which is elite. One four eight is

an elite ten yards split. So he's got the short area quickness. It's the same one been at head. Yeah, you've you've got the in terms of I think you've got the physicality. The size is obviously great with him, he's six two. I kind of thought he might be a safety. I thought he might be a safe. I know you've you've thought about that because I remember we brought him up earlier. But I think that Jaalen Jones is one that stands out to me as a really

tracy guy. And then somebody else that I know we've mentioned the best athlete I think when you look at at corner and he's not a guy that I think I would take in the first three rounds, maybe like the fourth, and it's somebody I know Wolchuck loves is Darius Rush. I haven't I have a lay third on him. Rush was about to talk talk about him as a former receiver, Yeah, former receiver has been playing or that long,

really extinctive guy. I like the ball skills. I like how he's able to do there because in this class, I feel like a lot of guys can play, but but some of them don't have like go after the ball skills they have. They can play the position and they're where they're supposed to be, but they don't go after the ball. Um I think also too in man coverage, I thought he was impressive. He has the special team's ability, which again to me, is important for a lot of

teams moving forward, specifically this team moving forward. This guy's a really good blitzer too. I think you got him dead on. This guy's are really good. He's got to feel for how to how to get in the backfield and be disruptive. So for six two we always talking about leggy guys, long guys. It doesn't take him much to turn. I mean he is not like you know, you see him, it's like he's laboring the turn. Nah, this guy, this guy, he could do it. I liked.

I like the player, I really do. And for somebody who just started playing defense just a couple of seasons ago, I think he's a pretty darned and tackler too. Yeah, Like his foundation that he's said as a tacklers is solid. The willingness is there. Oh yeah, Well, I issue was right about the special team stuff because I wrote down here specially played well special teams as a gunner. So that's at outside the flyer guy and stuff like that.

That's not an easy position to play either. Especial gunners are now I do. I do like Riley Moss as well from Mayowa. Oh okay, that's a good one too, less corner at Iowa. That's a guy that I think, like when you talk about the one of the things that I think you see with Moss is where he'd be a really good fit is like that Fangio like man match scheme, because I think he's really really smart. Like in terms of I think he's got a high IQ's,

he's big, he's physical. Obviously some of the long speed I think is a question there, but I think he's got a chance to be a really good player. Yeah. When I first watched him, the first time I watched him, I thought about when the Cowboys used Jordan Lewis that one time against the Saints. Yeah, how they kind of were like al Kamara or yea, yeah there, like he gets nothing. It kind of felt like he could do something like that. In my opinion, That's what I first

thought about him when I watched him. Very nice. All right, final question before we take our second break, Douglas ask. In your mock Draft show last week, Brian said that he has a first round grade on Jamir Gibbs. I also have a first round grade Jamir Gibbs. Would you take Gibbs at twenty six if there were no other first round grades left on your board, if you were in the draft room, you were in the war room, and you were able to put that, he would be

the best player. He would be the best player on my board then, because I like, he's like if when you're going to put him in the stock, he's going to be He's going to be if if you have twenty first round grades, he's likely to be the twentieth player. So to me, I would that would be if if I'm gonna I'm not gonna window dress my board. If I feel like he's a first round talent and he's there at twenty six. I'll handle I'll hand that card in.

I think I would too, I would hand that card in that This guy there is not a huge difference between him and Bijean Robinson. I mean, this guy is ald, this guy is a runner. This guy catches the ball well, and he blocks. I've seen him do some blitz pickup stuff that saved Bryce Young and allowed them to make big plays down the field because of awareness in the pocket of him crossing and picking up guys flying off

the edge. That's a that's a skill that you have to have, I think to play in the National Football League, those three down players. That ability to be that type of guy, I think is big. I think he's a phenomenal player. I originally, I think I was with you up until about a month ago, where I didn't think there was a big gap between games and Bijon. Then I went back and watched Bijean again and just some of the things that he did kind of distance themselves

a little bit. But I think gives is a first round talent of a player because, like you said, pass protection at the NFL level is crucial it's not just a recommendation like it is in college. You can get away with being a good running back and not pass protecting with the best of them. If you're gonna be a starting running backstarting caliber running back, you're gonna have to do some sort of pass protection at a certain level. Gibbs can do that, and he's just a weapon. And

the receivers games a weapon all the way through. And I mean the vision and the patience behind the line of scrimmage is just phenomenal. So all right, that does it for Twitter. On the twenty. When we come back, we're gonna do some tell me more about some prospects around this Cowboys team and potentially some guys to look forward to over the next couple of weeks. We'll be right back with more of the draft show. I'm Dak Prescott,

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Hendon Hooker? Yes? Or use for Minnesota that's getting a lot of momentum now, Yes, Hooker going to first round? How about that? And we'll get Zach wolcheck back on the air very soon, but he is unavailable today. He's doing some some baseball stuff, so he's busy. Right now. We got Bobby Belt, Brian brought us Aisha Boris and I'm Kyle Yeoman's time now to do some tell me more. How about mister Jacqueline Roy from LSU. I want to know more about this? Goat higus, Bryan. I guess you

want to start with me. We'll start with you. He's one of the players that gives you everything he has. He's six three, he's three oh five. He was a highly recruited player at a high school in Baton Rouge. There he's projected to be the next big thing. On the LSU defense, and he was kind of just an okay player. But the more you watch him, the more

you like the way he plays. He's a little tight in that lower body, which prevents him from kind of like really you know, controlling the gap like he needs to. But he's got upper body power and energy. He's a I mean that if you play him on one gap where he just attacks that quickness, he could get up the field. He's got that two gap potential. When to talk about two gap, it's you control the blocker, you look inside, you look outside, and then you get rid of the guy and you go. It's a little bit

more of a reading type of a thing. He's capable of doing that. But you know, the thing I like about him the best is that he he plays a lot of snaps. You see defensive lineman that will play four or five plays and then they go out and they're tired and they don't see him for a while. This guy keeps playing and you never see him really come off the field. And LU likes to rotate their guys, but he plays a lot, a large number of snaps

for a bigger guy. But I kind of feel like he's a better run player than he is a pass guy because they use him on twists and things and you don't see the success all the time there. Yeah you've seen him. Yeah, I watched him last night. Uh. The first thing I rolled down is said, I said, this is a thick human or his ankles even look thick. Man Like that's a big dude, Like I was just watching him. Uh, like you were talking about he is.

I would I would. I would say that he's a true nose and that's where you should probably line him up at felt like, Um, he had a nice he had a nice explosion off the line of scrimmage at the ball. But he uh, there was some inconsistency in his in his rep winds. I feel like he can get pushed off the ball sometimes, like you were talking about. So having him just do one thing to start, or having him master doing that one thing to start would be good. So when you talk about we talk about

what do you need? What do you want? Right? Do you want a guy to just come in and stop the run or just call oug up some space? This is to do right here. He's not a super He's not going to me. It doesn't look like he's going to give you a lot of like pass rush and all that stuff. Nah, probably not Like I mean, I think he has the athleticism to do it. It's not anything that's been developed yet. He moves really well for

how big he is. Um. But I think he's got the chance to be like a really really good run defender. In general, it's really difficult to like, he wins with leverage pretty consistently. I think it's difficult to get him on reach blocks. I think that his best chance to be a pass rusher is going to be on some of the twists and stunts that they like running here too. Um. And So I think he's a really intriguing player. I mean, i'd be interested in him in the fourth fifth round. Yeah,

I think you got him right there. Y. Yes, I'm sorry, Jaquan. Yeah, we're gonna say these people's name right and Peel, I'm just kidding. Oh, I was like, wait a second, so we got so we got Kyle for to say the name. What's her guards name again? Steve Avula Aula like the old Tiger's catcher Alex And yes, for those of you listening, Steve of Vila, it's Avula everybody. But it's to me, all those jerks, all right, tell me more about Braydon Willis,

tight end out of Oklahoma. Good frame, good foundation as a blocker was the first thing I had written down. He's actually a local prospect too, Arlington Martin High School. Play in the shadow of AT and T. Yeah, I'll started off strong hands when packing a punch on a block, experience playing with some of the best quarterbacks of course in college football, and he worked well to all parts

of the field. Because of that, he had some versatility, going back and forth to the sideline, to the interior of the field, going playing in between the hash marks. One thing I had against him is he's not polished enough in contested situations. There were a lot of times when he's in traffic and he looked uncomfortable. He's gonna get tested by those physical defenders at the second level that you didn't see a whole lot at the Big twelve, and I think because of that, it's gonna be a

little bit of a learning curve. But I think overall he's a he's a good receiver, he's a better blocker at the tight end position. I like him in the mid rounds. I think he's a fourth or a fifth round guy. But as an under the radar tight end prospect, I think he's somebody that can grow and be better

for your football tie. I got issues with it. Feels he feels very tweener, like okay, like like I mean just in general though, like it's one of these things where he is smaller, so it's not like the prototypical like one by the way, but then he's not like this athletic threat that can you know, pressure defenses that way and that he can be more of the Evan Ingram type of tight end. And we're not talking about a first round player here, so that's not necessarily the

skill set. I will say he's very tough. I like in general his willingness to make plays in traffic. I think he's got solid hands. But overall, I mean, I didn't see a ton that thrilled me about him. He'd be very late on the board for him. I liked paying Durham from Purdue better. He's six six, two fifty three. I think I think you guys are talking about the

size and stuff. Durham at eleven, I have Willis at twelve. Yeah, and the time I just if you gave me a choice between the two of those kind of those late guys. I think you both got the player right. I just I like paying Durham a little bit better from Purdue. What do you think about about Willis specifically? I kind of feel like though to me, like to say, Bobby's

got him right with the tweener stuff. You know, I just you wonder if you're going to be a tweener guy, you got to make more of the plays down the field and stuff like that. And I you know that part of me worried me a little bit about him, you know, again, the separation to catching the ball and stuff like that. He's got some yards after the catchability. Yeah.

But the thing about it is, though, to me, like I it was one of those things where he just didn't fit my eye when I was thinking about because there's so many of these guys. Okay, I'll give you an example two of another guy. I'll give you another guy that you know, we talk about Kincaide's six four two forty six. You know, but that's a first round potentially first round guy. I'll give you another guy, Dennis

Davis Allen from Clemson. Yeah, Okay, there's like if you're going to go and and talk about a guy like we're just visiting on I have guys ahead at him that I would did. I would say, you know, if if it comes down to I think I would take somebody else as opposed to hand that tag in. I think that hender Shot and Ferguson are both better options coming out of school than Willis was. That's fair. What about Zach Kountz from Old Dominion? Okay, you go for it.

I used you know this one. No, I talked about him, I talked about him, did bring him up, and I went and watched him, and I like it is, yes, Ruin. You don't want to say it the other way. You must see me on Twitter like I always say it like Koont's and everybody goes, sure you do. Wait, what does that mean Beamers about to catch her micro? No, we're about to get kicked off the air. I'm just staying that's how he says his name, right, I mean I just responded to Twitter question. No, No, he's a

he's a dude. People are people. I'm trying to do good work here. I don't know what everybody great work, Brian, I don't know what everybody I don't know what everybody else out there is trying to do. That doesn't for us. You're on the Draft show. Don't tell me about the player. Tell me about Old Dominion tight end. And I'm not even gonna say his name again. Shout out to Old Dominion, by the way, Shout out to Old Dominion for the three cameras set up on their film. It is the

best film in the entire country. Wow, you can see everything because their broadcast doesn't have a whole lot of put in quotes. Older guy, Okay, I'll know. What I was thinking, is he I don't have his birthday on here yet, barnacles. You know, well, I said, older guys, so he must be he's a trans penn State Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, so yeah, he's a Penn State transfer. Sorry, he got injured last season. He was dealing with a knee or something like that. I think that's why he's kind of

been under the radar a little bit. But um uh, I was about to say, oh yeah, I sneakily said that I felt like he was one of the more athletic tight ends in this year. Not wrong. He can high point the ball. I thought I he was a red zone threat, and um, I think with the right coaching, he can definitely, you know, get better in the blocking game. I guess that would be the only like and I would even call it a knock because the willingness, like we talk about, is the willingness there is he trying?

Is he trying to put hands on guys? I think he plays through traffic pretty well too. He's not afraid to play through traffic. And like we were just talking about with Willis, that's something he struggles with. That's something that I'm looking for with tight ends, especially because people are creating track man that that that athletic says, I don't even know that that's it's aggressive, Like I mean when seven he ran four or five five he jump? No, I know, I'm just saying, it's when you look at

the testing, it's absurd. How athletic this guy is six eight seven three cone at sixty seven, which you say, it's not something you always see. No, no, no, I know. I'm just I'm just saying when you look at it, like it's like, holy cow, what a freaking athlete. When you jumped forty inches, you got a broad of eleven almost you got the six eight three Cone. It's just wild how athletic this guy. It shows up on tape, the target in the red zone stuff. He could finish.

This guy. He's got a lot of raw ability. That's what I said. He's a productive too, because I think he second in the in the league in receptions uh last year. So he um as a tight end. So he's gonna get the production. And Will McClay mentioned on the draft show with us is production? He said production with us, So I think that's important moving forward with

these draftees. But I said sneakily because again I feel like people have he's fallen down people's boards because of the injury that he had last season, and I think that I would. That's why I was like, I think he for me. I was like, Oh, who's this dude that for me? Sneaky to find him. That's the way O keep in mind having mister what's his name again? Brian, y'all going to jail, old dominion, tight end, keep him on your I'm an old man. They can't throw me

in JA. We'll be back tomorrow eleven am Central time. Damn right, we'll be back. We're gonna have some more fun tomorrow. I got a career day, but I'll see y'all next week. Career day. That's gonna be a fourth grade class. It's got a job better than making money on the radio. Daughter's fourth grade class. We gotta go do that. Tell them the stuff you talk about on the radia. Yeah, I'm going to tell him about Zach koontz Ysha. I'm gonna talk about that name. That's it for.

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