Draft Show: Our First 2023 Mock Draft

an opening today? That's good. You're greater role today with me. I'm not trying to be uncomfortable today. You're ready, You're not You're not interested in being uncomfortable today talking about the NFL Draft. Nah. My anxiety can't take you can't take it. Nah. But it's okay. I'm here though, I'm here to let's run well. I guess Aisha Morrison, the voice of one of my favorite scouts, young scouts trying to get it done. What's going on with you? I'm fine,

I'm here. I think it's the chair I ain't used to be in my direct line to sight. Is that bothering you? A little bit to probably stressed me. And then Bobby's over there. I'm trying to get my laptop to turn on people. That's what I'm trying to do. Oh no, we need the goods. Well, you do need the goods. That's the voice of Bobby Belt one oh five three. The fan just got off his morning show. I'm sure he did some great work, Robert, thank you for that's fore, thank you. And then my teammate on

the afternoons on one oh five three, Zach Walchuk. Again, all my scouting buddies here. You know me, guys, I'm not gonna waste a lot of time here. I'm not gonna waste a lot of time because I don't believe in wasting time on the Draft Show. Oh god, I don't believe in that. Perfect but yeah, I mentioned this Draft show is sponsored by Miller Lite, uh, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It is Miller time. All right.

I'm gonna get to this as as we embark them. Wait, wait, forty nine days now, then we say we were fifty days, nine days. Forty nine days until we get to sit in this room and kind of dissect everything that's going on. I do want to ask you guys some questions, and this is kind of how this thing is going to go today. I'm going to uh, We're gonna try and cover a lot of content early in this thing with some players I want I want to I want to

get my guys opinions. I want to get my scouts opinions on some of these guys that they're struggling with, maybe some guys that are willing to fight for. We'll do some twitter on the twenty. But then in the last part of the show, we're gonna draft for the NFC East and we're gonna take Dame Brugler's mock draft,

and I've got some names. I'm gonna give my scouts a choice here that they can draft for the Eagles at ten, and I'm gonna give my scouts some choice for the Commanders and for the Giants, and then we'll get to the Dallas Cowboys with the names left, and we'll try and and try and kind of work through this thing in that regard. So you guys ready to ready to get going today, It's never been more ready.

Got you, Bobby Belt, give me a guy that you'll absolutely fight for in this draft, Somebody that you would, you know if you said, listen, give me the one opportunity. There's a lot of times in these war rooms where these scouts as they put their board together, they will fight for a particular person, whether it's somebody that they're on that island by themselves, maybe they've got another scouting buddy involved with them. But give me one guy that

you would absolutely fight for. Stand up on the table, bang the table, beat people up to get on your football team. Okay, so are we talking about guys that have no chance at getting into Dallas twenty six or more somebody that we think will be there at some point when they're picking. You can give me the guy you absolutely one of your favorite players. And I'm not

talking about a pet cat, But give me somebody. I love this guy, but you know what, at twenty six, if he gets there, I'm going to cause a ruckus

in that room. Yeah. I mean I think that when you look at if for some way, somehow, obviously a guy that would have to slide there would be Joey Porter Jr. Who I love and I think is the perfect type of corner that they would want here in Dallas, the perfect type of player that Joe Witt and Dan Quinn could use in the scheme that they need a guy who measured in six two and a half thirty four inch arms, which is absurd great length, great size, great I think play strength, a high I Q a

good awareness, but that one I don't think is very realistic. And so the guy I keep coming back to him, and I know we've mentioned him a couple times over the last couple weeks. The guy keep coming back to that I think is realistically there and I'd be willing to fight for among a group of players. Is Luke Musgrave the tight end for Morgan State because I think that Luke Musgrave, to me, is going to be better

value where he is than any of the receivers. I honestly like Musgrave more than I like any of the receivers, more than I like Jackson Smith and Jick but more than I like Jordan Addison more than I like Quinton Johnson, because I think they all have warts about them that other receivers haven't necessarily had in recent years when we've had some of the really high end top talent at receiver.

But Musgrave, to me, just the footwork, I think the hands now Obviously, the question with him has also been about his availability. His injury history is durability. But if you're just talking to me about what type of a player he can be, that's a guy that if you put him in the offense next year, he's a thousand yards to me easy, and I think that he can replace what Dalton Schultz did for you, and he can

do more. He can stretch the field more, and he is the type of vertical tight end that I think really threatens defense. Is the way that Jerry has talked about recently on the bus, in the way that I think some people around this team have talked about that they'd like to find a really dynamic threat there. Zach Wolchuk, he just said that he would fight for Musgrave over

Smith and Jigba. I've known you now through this draft process that that is your favorite player, Is in fact that the guy you're going to fight for, or do you not feel he is going to be there at twenty six for you? I don't think he'll be there at twenty six, And if he is, the league has made a terrible error in evaluation by letting this guy slide.

Now I'm gonna go with somebody else because I think you guys know my affinity for Jackson Smith and Jigba Ohio state wide Ohio state wide receiver and who I think is the best wide receiver in the draft, and people might be overthinking that he's not when you look at some of his college teammates that have come in and been productive and they've applauded him for already being better.

I'm going to go with an edge rusher here, and this is a guy who I kind of had as a friend first rounder, but it is King Felix is what I call him, Felix and a dk uzoma from Kansas State. I love this dude, and I don't think you can ever go wrong with taking an offensive or defensive lineman. I don't know if the Cowboys, we haven't heard a lot of edge rusher when it comes to them in the first round. But if they decide, hey, the corners aren't there, the damn tight end he can

stretch a little bit. Maybe we don't want to go tight end the receivers they get wiped out. This might be a guy that I think could be the best player on the board. And I saw a lot of like Robert mathis like trades in his game. This dude competes his ass off, does not quit, high motor, always working, compact build, quick off the ball. Does give up some size, right, So he's not the biggest dude in the world. Six four, two fifty five. He's big enough, yeah, but he doesn't

look huge on tape. When you watch him play, He's got multiple ways to beat you, which is why I love him. He shows multiple pass rush moves. He's got good hands. He switched his sides. He can play both the right and the left end. You know, we talked about what if the Cowboys make some cat moves? Yeah, Bobby, you talked about this yesterday on our show with like a Dorance Armstrong or something like that. Maybe defensive end all of a sudden is a sneaky need for them.

They need to replenish that. I think this is a dude that can come in day one and be an impact type of player for you. I think he's NFL ready. Zachary, give me your list of defensive ends. Okay, give me your defensive linz ends down to that player. So I've got Willie Anderson one at Alabama. I've got Tyree Wilson, it too. Give me Miles Murphy, then Nolan Smith. So you feel like all those guys are gonna be gone.

I think they'd all be gone, Okay, I do, and may like Nolan Smith to me was a guy that could have been around there, but I think he tested so well to come by he's gone. There's no way. And then people seem to love Lucas van Ness at Iowa. I didn't see it personally, like I think, hold that thought because I'm gonna get to some then when we get back through. Okay, okay, hold that thought about him.

But you're looking further. You're looking for an edge because you're thinking and maybe you're gonna be wiped out at receiver. Possibly you're thinking. You're not enamored with the tight ends that might be there, and you're not enamored with any potential guard that could be there. Right, Okay, tell me about it, scout. Who do you got? If Kalijah Cancie from Pittsburgh is still there? I might, I might act the fool. I'd like him. I like his flexibility. I

like well how he shoots gaps. I just like how active he is, and he's vicious as a DT, it looks like possible he might have some I don't know how some teams feel, but similar to um, Tommy that performed really well well, I can't perform at a at a bare that performed really well at the at Thethwestern Northwestern Gap. Yeah, similar to him. I think some teams think that this guy may have some flex on the edge,

possibly because he is such an athlete. So when you look at Okay, well, maybe you have a neat for an edge situationally, and you trying to find another DT to come in here, clog up some some some of these lanes and shoot these gaps. I mean he's two seventy five. I think he yesterday I liked it. I think he was close to two eighties. So yeah, So yeah, Colijah Cancy is a guy I might act the full four if he's there, but I don't know if he's gonna be there. So I think that Colijah Cancy is

really really good and I would love him here in Dallas. Um. I think that again because you mentioned the Cowboys specifically do like flexibility. They like guys who can bump inside outside, They like guys who can play a bunch of different spots. I think for them specifically here in Dallas Canty, especially as an edge. I don't think they would ever put him at edge just because of the length, because the arms came in. What the arms? She was talking about

other teams? No, no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, I know. I'm just talking about fighting for him here in Dallas. I'm referencing that, right, um is that? That's what it? But I would love him as long as they're okay saying we got a guy who's going to basically play three technique for us and that's all he does. Yeah, that's all OsO DIGGI Zooa does. That's all other guys have done for them before. Then I'm all on board with that. I like Zach talking about On a dk

zoma there was an interesting note. I was doing some research, one of the things I do when I'm out of combine. I'm just trying to find statistical notes things like that. Production wise, he's in a league all on his own. So he is the only FBS player to combine for at least twenty five tackles for loss and more than five forced fumbles over the past two seasons. So he's performing at a really high level in a conference that

people rag on all the time for their defense. Yeah, and so I mean I think production wise, he's great. The traits are really interesting with him, and so I mean I think those are both good names. Yeah, and you you mentioned the traits and all of that stuff in the production When we were talking to Will McClay on the Draft show, I was a word that he used. He used adamantly like production is important to them and how I'm assuming that that's something that they're looking at

more so moving forward. So that's important as well. I do like the I do like all the ones that you guys are talking about here. The Cancy one is very interesting to me because, like I say, I've been fortunate if you and I have had the discussion about Leroy Glover when I was in pro personnel here with the Cowboys, and I'll never forget you couldn't have driven a nail up my butt when Jerry Jones asked me, you know, we're about to hand this guy five million dollars?

You okay with that? And it took every bit of confidence that I had to say yeah, because you're talking about a shorter guy, but you're talking about a guy like what I used just talk disruptive, you know, plays up field, tackles for loss, things like that. I mean that that to me is a very interesting, you know interesting time. The guy I would fight for is be Jean Robinson. That's the guy I would fight for. Dang, I didn't want to be I didn't want us to be And I love that. I know that that should

that should that shouldn't have to be a fight. It shouldn't. And but I think, but I think where I think it will be a fight is I don't I worry about how this Cowboys are going to handle this running back sit situation, positional value. I mean, yeah, they've got twenty eight million dollars right now tied up in running backs.

You know that's that's that's a fact. But you know, to me, I would have personally started over, is what I would have I agree, I would have started over, and I would have started with Bijean Robinson is who

I would have started with. That's the guy I That's the guy I kind of I you know, if somehow, some way he were to get to me, it would be really hard for me to say, guys, that's the best player on the board right now, isn't it in it, and I would like, I would look every one of you in the eye and say that, and I would make I would challenge you to tell me that it's

not true now and I would agree with you. My thing is, I feel like in this entire process, and you've done this a long time, Brian Bijean, Robinsons have done radio a long time too. Bijean might be winning this more than any other player because you look at the combine and it's like, Okay, you're trying to match up, to match up what I saw in film. He tested well, the interview process seemed like it went well. The tape

is fantastic with him. I am just finding it harder and harder to believe he's gonna be available when the Cowboys are on the clock. Yeah, you mentioned that you would start over. I so my only thing about the starting over is you are installing a new not a totally new, but a new offense this upcoming season. Sure would that possibly be a reason why maybe you wouldn't

just start over, because I did. I saw a lot of people talking about that with UH with Tony poll again franchise Tach, like I would have just started over or whatever. But do you is there some pause with the fact that you are bringing in a new offense, you have a new running back coach. Yeah, I mean it's it's a lot of shifting going on to just be like, hey, Rook, let's go out there and do it. Let's be done. I kind of feel like with him, I'm loading the wagon and let no. I mean to me,

oh yeah, oh he is that? Oh? I think so? Yeah. And the thing about it is the kid Gibbs from Alabama might be just as good close close. That's about to say. Yeah, see to me, if if you were, if you were step up in that room and say, brought us you're wrong. We got Gibbs tag touching Robinson's tag. Why can't you just wait? Why that's a better player. I would respect, I would respect one of you if you said that to me, and I think you would. I think you would say, wait a minute, Brian, what

about that Alabama kid? Why why are we not talking about him right now? You know? So I appreciate that. All right, let's go around real quick if we can, because we got Twitter on the twenty coming up. I want to get to these questions too, But I also want to know is there a guy that if it turns into he's there and you're like, listen, I'm not trying to kill these kids, you know when it comes to,

you know, not wanting them. But is there a pick that they would make that you would say that's a little tough from I always call it the pin throw where you know, darn you know that kind of thing where a guy goes and stuff like that. Zach, you got a player that if they took him, you would just pause. I'm not saying you would just totally. I mean you, as a scout, you would put it down, you'd mark it on your sheet, and you just get ready for the next pick, you know, in the first round.

And I've seen this and I don't think that this guy's a first rounder, but it's it's eca at a Baylor. Yeah, Like, I don't think this dude's a first round pick for me defensive tackle and I think that I've and you know, I've gone back and forth about this. I think Mozzi Smith is just better personally. But I mean I looked

at him. He's a big body. Uh, he's got a good anchor, he's good at the point of attack, and he's got good awareness and a feel for the game in terms of I think he's really good in the screen game, but I just didn't I was just underwhelmed watching him. I just didn't see a ton of production, and I feel like, would you be really wrong about him? I could be a hundred percent. I could be wrong about him because he's got some you know. I can see the Vita vea type of comparison, like as a

dancing bear type. And it might have just been the games I watch, maybe the production. Maybe it's just a lacking there. But if they were detained, I don't think they would. The Cowboys don't seem like they put a massive value in defensive tackle to take him at twenty six. Yeah, but Siaki Ecuy, I'd be like, man, they could have gone somewhere else. Another guy would be Trent and Simpson at a Clemson. I just don't see it with Trent and Simpson personally. I think that dude is a bust

waiting to happen. I don't say that, I really did say all that. I would just say he's standard. Okay, well give me give me your guy. Uh don't kill me. No, No, we're not. It's not about this is not about this would be the guy that if they took. And I'm just saying if the guy in the room, because there's times I trust me, I've sat in that room and you we've taken players and I've just put my head down and wrote wrote the name down on the on the sheet and moved to the next guy. That's what

I did. So I'm not trying to not trying to just you know, kill these kids. I'm just saying, who's that name that you have, and maybe it's a guy you're struggling with. I'll tell you my guy real quick. Is the guy that iowa is van Ness? I struggle with him. I mean, if if they took van Ness, I would I would put my head down and write the name on and would probably be damned wrong about the guy. Yeah, you know I probably would be, But

that's kind of that. I'm just trying to get a feel where you are in the room when we make this pick. If it's one of these guys, my room's not going to be very happier right now. Sure it depends for me, it depends on what they're looking for. But I would be confused a little bit if they took Drew Sanders from an arkisade. Okay, okay, I would be confused because of how he plays and what he does. These linebackers you've said all along, are not wowing you.

I mean, yeah, that's fair, they're not. Yeah, that's fair. No, just own that because I agree with I don't. I don't disagree with yet I'm struggling with these guys. Well, I think that he gets a lot of the attention because of the pass rush ability, because of the fact that he can do other things that aren't just linebackers stuff.

But for this defense, I mean, they rush safeties when they need to say, they rush from the tackle like they do so much from a Russian standpoint that that to me would be to add him would be helpful. But at the same time, it would be like, do I need this or do I need a true linebacker right now to man the middle of the field, so Micah can do whatever you want to do. So I

would be weird. It would be like, all right, he might be the best linebacker technically, yeah, because he can rush the pastor as well, but does he fit into this defense right now? That's me y U A couple guys probably, and it's one of them that I like the potential, but Keiley Ringo in the first round would be a little tough. Now. See, they they've developed a reputation here in Dallas for when they bank on traits and they take somebody that a lot of people are like, oh,

really raw. The trades are there, but that's raw, and there's a lot of questions. It's worked out for them a lot in the last decade, and so I would I would have my most optimistic view of if they are doing then I'm trusting that they know what kind of a study and what kind of a student and worker this guy will be. So that would be one more than Ringo even for me, would probably be Keyon White from Georgia. I'm not seeing Keyon White from Georgia

Tech myself. I would I would struggle with that, and I know a lot of people are mocking him, and I've seen guys like have him in their top fifty. Like at twenty one it was a senior Bowl. It was a senior Bowl. The traits are there. I could get on board with Keyon White at twenty six. I think he's got upside. Yeah, I mean, look, I think twenty six is rich, but if the Cowboys made that pick, I'd be banking on they know something. They've hit on first rounders, and I don't see a Taco Charlton here.

I mean I see a guy that's got a quick get off. I mean he's a he's a former type a basketball player, that thin and you can see that body. I mean, he's got a strong bull rush. I think he's got a good combination of speed and power off the edge. I think that's a due that could end up being a really good, big difference between Keyon White and Taco Charleton. Keyon White can bend. Yeah, Taco Charlton didn't show a lot of that, at least I didn't.

He's at Michigan. But I only bring up Tacco because Cowboy fans, right, if you don't like the pick, that'd be the immediate comp like, oh, they just they just busted on another first rounder here with with Taco taking a defensive end and don't look at me like that. The early second round guy, I think he's a second rounder. I wouldn't have him in. I don't think i'd have him top fifth. The problem I'm struggling with, and I've mentioned Van Ness. I had Van Ness over him. And

I'm not a van Ness fan. Yeah see, I see more explosiveness in White than van Ness. But I think I wonder, and you brought this up with the defense and the way the Cowboys defense is set up, I wonder if it's the way Iowa played Van Nest that has me a little timid on him. They're they're a players. I always got. It's amazing They've got the players they do and they and they are. And you brought it up about how technically sound they are and tough and

you know, all these things about it. Every time I've seem to have I've liked an Iowa guy. Iowa guy, he's kind of let me down. I like that linebacker Campbell. Yeah, yeah, no, that's oh yeah, I mean Jack Campbell. Yeah, he's he might be the best linebacker in the draft skin clothes. It's good. I mean, as we get down to the wire and you start really looking at what everybody can do, you're like, yeah, okay. But he, like we talked about it, he tested so much better than what I thought he was.

Want to Jack Campbell. He was surprisingly efficient in coverage, like what he does, being able to drop into the zone and affect the slam hips just flip naturally. I was I was surprised. He was a bright spot to me. I was surprised by him too. All Right, I appreciate your guys thought about that. We got through that, okay, right, was solid. Oh no, I didn't say, oh six, you don't like no, no, no, no. I just want to see Bobby's face. I just I don't want to. I

doubt there's an alignment like if Scronsky got down there. Okay, we can play. But just in general, I think the application of resources, I don't know that I want to pick a line Darnel right. I don't think I want to pick an off out of Tennessee. I take Darnel right in the heart. I don't want to take another offensive lineman at twenty six. I just I don't know that that's a effective use of resources given the holes you have on this team right now. All right, that's

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It is thanks to ed Ka Hill and those for helping create all that whole thing. All right, this question comes from Live free Today and don't worry about tomorrow. Okay, live free today, don't worry about tomorrow. If someone fall to twenty six, would you draft them, say, like a Will Levis quarterback from Kentucky, I'm gonna fight. I'm gonna be punching air a quarterback. That's absolutely not And it's not just because I'm the biggest Dak Prescott proponent this

side of Starksville. It's the fact that, again we talk about the way you're using your resources. Pick twenty seven. In twenty seventeen, the last first round player that the the Cowboys have on the board was Dalvin Cook. It did not matter to them. They weren't picking her running back at twenty seven because they had Ezekiel Elliott here. It just wasn't going to be the way that they were going to use their resources. And so could they pick a quarterback somewhere in the Maybe they get to the

second round and somebody's there. Maybe they get to the third and they think somebody's there and go, this is just too good a value for us to pass up. On a Day two, maybe they would do something like that. But even in the first round, I just I can't see I think they would hold somebody hostage for that. You want to come up to twenty six and get let us come trade with us. That's dream scenario for me, because then I think that you're going to be able

to move out of the first round. I think you might be able to pick up a one for next year and there's a team that wants skimp and you go get that guy so they have a fifth year option on them. Now, the question was would you do this right? It wasn't what the Cowboys do this. Cowboys aren't doing it. I would do this. I think Will Levis is a player that I would I would gamble on. And I got I got some doubts. What if your quarterback is good and the quarterback is good, So what

are what are you doing? Uh? Maybe I'm trying to find a great quarterback and not a good quarterback. And if you're you're willing to take the gamble on Levis, who is I think still raw? You're willing to take that gamble knowing you have the most important position already locked up and lots of other questions. But I could still trying to win. In that win, I could maybe try and improve on that quarterback right, And it's the

most valuable position in the sport. And if I hit on it, and let's say, let's say Dak ends up bawling out wins an MVP under the new McCarthy system, and end up winning a super Bowl. Now I've got a trade chip here, and what's what's your trade? Is that not valuable to have the collateral Will Levis? And now I can flip that I can getting low picks.

Turning left, here's the thing. I think if you drafted a Will Levis and he never saw the field, the most he could get back as a first And so all you're doing is delayne having the access to the player for two years and you don't get the benefit of It's not like you're gonna get more than that. By picking well of us, you're just penalizing yourself from reaping the benefits of a first round. I think it's

a fun conversation to have. I wouldn't be opposed to any I wouldn't be opposed to doing this, and especially for a football team that doesn't seem like they're in a position to really take a quarterback much. If you have a guy that is a top ten talent that falls into your lab and you don't consider that, I think it's malpractice. Is he tapped in any other year, in a different quarterback lass, next year, he would not be talked about. Probably in the top he definitely, he

might be number three or four. I mean, it depends on Hartman. Hartman might be ahead of him. I mean he's not. He's not ahead of Williams or twenty seven years old. A lot of these guys, a lot of these guys are though because of the COVID, they all they all gave him an next year. I mean, will Levis to me one hundred percent is the number one quarterback in last year's class. Like he's better than pick

it to me, and absolutely so. Yeah, he would have nails his right tackles trying to get him murdered every single play. He would have been number one last year. And I like Levis, Like I think Levis is a good player. It's just that's not the correct use of resources.

And when you look at taking somebody like Levis, while you say you could get better, you could be great at the position, right, How how long until a player like will Levis do you think is legitimately passing Dack if he's going to if he if you say Will Levis is going to be a better quarterback than Dak Prescott one day, Okay, how long is that going to be? It's two years he sits, so it would be the third year. So that's a long time to wait on

a chip that's you're not even evaluating it. Probably you're not buying into the brock Purty syndrome. Well, the veteran quarterback that's played a lot of snaps. Oh, there has been a I don't know if you saw the same article I did. The Sports Illustrated had an article that was really great this week from Connor Or that talked

about the brock Purty effect. That there're people using this term around the league right now that typically guys that play a lot of snaps, the more film you put on tape, the more you give them the nitpick at quarterback, and that in the past that's been a ding for them and they'll take the chance on a Trey Lance who has a little bit of tape over the other stuff, and that purty has maybe changed the view for some people on Hendon Hooker, on Max dug On whoever else,

And so you know that that's something that could end out benefiting them, could benefit Malie Cunningham, guys like this, and so I think it's interesting. I think Will Levis is a good player. I think it is when you say mal practice, I think mal practice is taking the quarterball. And again I don't think they would. But if you're not having that conversation, what are you doing? It's the most important position and you you haven't been able to get the drive from your guy two years in a row,

three minutes left, go get it? How bad guy hadn't done it? Bobby. There were conversations on this exact show about would you trade Dak Prescott for the chance to draft Baker Mayfield? And unanimously but it's like yeah, absolutely, It's like, okay, burden the hand versus two in the bush. You've got an issue there where if you would have made that deal when people were arguing for that deal,

like yeah, I would do that in the heartbeat. You know how far back this franchise would have gotten set if you've done that deal, same sort of thing you are risking setting your franchise back taking a quarterback in twenty set. You absolutely are, and then the conversation, Lordy, risk versus reward. Don't nobody want to hear that? Nobody, I personally don't want to hear about Oh the drama that comes with that. I mean, like, we just want to watch football like the ruckas it would cause would

just drive itself. It don't matter what quarterback they draft or when they draft a quarterback, it's gonna bring up conversations first round. Yeah, it's gonna be the talk of the town for the first two months, and we just want to talk about all the other plays. Again, I'm moving out of that spot. I'm letting somebody else come

up so I can get an extra one. Okay. That leads me to this question from Eric Ichorn, and Eric said, Okay, he's asking what players would have to be off the board at twenty six in order for you to feel that the Cowboys have been wiped out and would start to think about dropping back. Now, we all talked about players that we would take potentially at twenty six, But okay, our guys are starting not to be on that board. Are we interested in blowing the hatches on this thing

and dive into the bottom. Or are we well, we just gonna stand in there and just trust the board and make the pick of whoever's on that board. I think you trust the board just because you need. I ain't gonna say you need. There's plenty of positions that you could get better from, like and make your team better. I mean specifically the offense, like I guess you want to talk about, but like, if they took a good DT at twenty six, I wouldn't be mad they took

receiver at twenty six. I wouldn't be mad to took a good tight end at twenty six. I wouldn't be mad. Like if they took a good guard at twenty six, I wouldn't be mad. Like is that how y'all feel? Or do y'all like it? It matters, So I guess the best way to just probably just limit it to positions to think. I think, if the guys that you were fighting for are no longer on that board, does it does it make you want to bail? Yes? I mean that makes me want to bail every time I

want to bail it. If then, if the right players are out there, I guess it just comes down to, like, okay, so tackle a position running back who would have to be off the board for me to feel like I was wiped out at running back? A right Bijon Robinson would have to be off the board. Yeah, I'm not taking Gibbs at twenty six. I'm not either. I'm and I like Gibbs. It's just I'm not gonna go there for the way you two or cowards because I like Zach Charbonnay that I could take in the second round,

or Taija Spears, who's an absolute beast. I talked about how damn good Gibbs is. Yeah, but I said, how you're back, How you're back? He's my RB two. I got charbonnais my RB three, and I think Charbonnai is. But you wouldn't take him pretty close already in the second round almost you wouldn't take him. You really wouldn't take it, would you. I don't know that I'm taking him with twenty six. I'd rather do you got him

at your second best back? I know, but I'd think I'd rather go ahead and trade back and go ahead and get some extra jar backpital how far back? Great? You want to go back to thirty one and hold that fifth year option, or you want to go into the early second. I'm a running back, but I need the fifth year option. I think get running back is where you most need the fift year option. I don't know. I don't know that I have that. That's where you

get the most value out of it. I think I hear you there, but I don't know that I have to have it. Bijan Robinson it running back. The receivers who would have to be off the board from me would be Johnston, Addison, Smith and Jick. But the tight ends would have to be on the off the board would be Musgrave and kincaid Um all corners, I mean, you'd have to have Gonzala, Poor, Witherspoon, Gonzalez, Cam Smith, Banks, those are the corners. That about Forbes, I got on again.

The size thing is very alarming. Time. I'd still Forbes is Forbes. I love Forbes, but man, he's one hundred and sixty six pounds. I'm sorry, but you know what. To be fair, I don't mean to be that guy, but I am that that guy played in the SEC played bigger, he played a high level and in the size one and issue there it was, Hey, I'm I'm

team Forbes. Look to be fair. Uh yeah, he's a one hundred six pounds and there's a whole bunch of receivers coming to this class that are one seventy three and one seventy eight, and like, I mean, so, I mean there's there's plenty of I mean, you're talking about putting Forbes on DeVante Smith, who's one hundred and twelve pounds, dripping wet, and so I mean, I think we need to rethink the weight stuff. That would be that that would be the argument you could you could probably for me,

I have a lot of history with this. That would be the argument you could make, would be, look there, these receivers are getting smaller too. This isn't Yeah, I'm interested looking. I need to look that up. I want to see what the if you go back over the last twenty years, I want to see each five year trend of what the average weight of the receivers and if they're going down. But that would be the arguing form.

But still, as athletic as he is, as good a player as he is, one hundred and sixty six pound corner is terrifying to me. What about Briane. What about Brian Branch from Alabama? I think he's tiny. I'm not taking I'm not taking any he's I like the player, but he looked small. I'm asking, is there any safety that you're okay what you're in the first round? I don't. I don't have I don't have first branches in a safety. To me, Branch is a corner. Um, yeah, I don't

have a safety in the first round. There wouldn't be a safety. Okay, let me ask you this then, the way we're talking right now, we don't feel like we can get wiped out. I just said, no, there's gonna be I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Well no, I mean, and I was trying to say that is they like was wiped out to them because they have a lot of options, Yes, they have so good We're okay, you're not. We're not going to bail then, because you guys feel like that we got options there to pull, I don't. I don't.

I don't know, because I mean, there have been let's look back over the past in recent years. Um, you know, I think there have been three four years in a row, and obviously CD was a different scenario. But I think there have been a few years. Twenty seventeen. I remember the chatter was there's no way you're completely wiped out on the edge rushers, and technically they weren't. T J. Watt was there, but like, you know, there's no way

you're wiped out in the edge rushers. And then we saw a bunch of them, McKinley, Charles Harris, a bunch of them went right leading up to you. You had

the when they were picking. Then they traded down to twelve to pick Mica, where three picks to you, and the players left on the board were sul Horn and Certan, and you're like, one of these guys, one of these might be able to sneak here, and then three boom boom, boo boom they go right no row And you know, same sort of thing last year where we were sitting there watching and going, you know, could this guy slide down, could this like like like okay Penning could get here,

you could get trailing Burkes to you, somebody's going to be there, Zion Johnson, and then boom, boom boom they go down. And so I like to think maybe out of the players I listed at corner and those other positions. Maybe they one or two of them I would like to think would be there. But I've seen a history now of several years of me thinking one or two of them gets there, and then they don't. Yeah, because

they're the run on a sea we got. If you're watching on the video right now, we got Brian Branch up there from Alabama. Alabama's got three safe boys. Branch did not test. Well, That's what I'm saying though. That's what I like him. I like to I would take him if he's there. See, that's the thing. I'm going to Tuscaloose, So I'm getting him faster, I'm getting him better jumps. I'm doing whatever I have to. If I

like the player that much, I'm gonna do that. I'm only saying because if you're talking about I think this guy plays better close to the lot of scrimmage, I think you're absolutely right about to be in the box downhill player. Yeah. Absolutely, And he doesn't miss tackles like that. And if you are talking about there's conversation with Donovan Wilson or whatever, if you are trying to replace that,

he does so much. Dude, Like I know that people think it's a quick thing like, oh yeah, you can find another Donovan, but like he's so active, he does so much for your run game. I just feel like if you are gonna get somebody to replace him, and needs to be somebody that is okay playing close to the lot of scrimmage Branch Branch has. Branch is not

the most skilled player across the board. I think out of the first round type of players, there's an argument I think you could make that Branch has the fewest holes in his game for the position of like the players in the first round period, like any position anywhere. I think that Branch is the most solid across the board in terms of there's not a whole bunch of glaring issues with Brian Branch to me, let me see A that's a good point. I was kind of thinking

of the guys I was looking. I think Robertson's that guy for me, you know, yeah, I'm you know the whole thing too with Porter Gonzalez, Witherspoon, those guys I need to those corners. I think I got them in the right order there. I think I do. I like wither Spelling. All right, Well, listen, thanks to everybody who fired their questions in for Twitter on the twenty Today, when we return, we're gonna do a little drafting for the NFC East. We'll do that next on the Draft Show.

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the NFC East here. And what I've done is I've taken the team and we're gonna go in the order of how they pick. So the Philadelphia Eagles will be the first on the clock at number ten. The Washington Commanders will be then on the clock at sixteen, Your New York Football Giants will be on the clock at twenty five, and your Dallas Cowboys to be on the clock at twenty six. So we will start with the Philadelphia Eagles. Philadelphia Eagles team needs cornerback, running back, safety, linebacker,

wide receiver. I'm gonna give you a choice. The Eagles can either draft Joey Poor or cornerback at a Penn State, or they can trap Bijean Robinson running back out of Texas. They can't say, hurt off feelings. What Okay, it's not, it's not, it's not. You guys discuss it. You guys, discuss it. Discuss it. Yeah, you guys discuss it and tell me who you think the best pick for the Philadelphia Goles. And I agree with you. They're gonna They're gonna break your heart one way or another. One of

these players. They see the buzz, they see the buzz. Better player Bijean and undoubtedly best player to me, still the best player I've ranked in the draft. Yeah, Bijean is the better player between the two, better position value, Porter corner. I think I think Porter is the best corner in the draft. If I what I would argue for if I was Philadelphia and we're looking at Okay, we got Porter and Bijean Robinson here, how cute do we want to get? Oh? Yeah, because That's the question,

is that are your windows? They get another they get another pick. You've got another pick at thirty, And I say, just if if I'm kicking this around, I go, look, we need to address corner and we need to addres Us running back. Which do I feel better about? Do I feel better about taking Bijon Robinson now and then taking Kaylee Ringo at thirty? Okay? Do I feel better about Porter now and Gibbs at thirty? I feel better

about Porter and gives real quick. This is I've based this off Dane Burglar's mock draft, and so I'm giving you players like if you wanted Gonzalez or Witherspoon or one of those, they're gone. So I'm giving you players that are available to you you can talk about, because Gonzalez was already gone for a corner or This is

off Dane Burglar's mock draft. And I think for Philly, we just saw the impact that having a legit corner opposite Sleigh and what it meant for their defense and they might lose Bradberry well and then but at the same token, I feel like that we also saw how having the ball in your quarterbacks hands hurt you towards the end of the season because he was banged up, and so maybe they are going into this next season saying we want to take the ball out of his

hands a little bit more. We want a more dynamic run game, and they've done it by committee. But being down at the combine, it didn't sound like Miles Sanders was coming back from what I know, So you're you're you might need to address that anyway, and they petty and if they had the opportunity, but could you see Philly maybe shopping a top ten pick. Yeah, talking about it, I'm like, you might get there and people might still want a quarterback. People might still want So I don't know.

I love Porter. If I'm sitting in here, I'm saying get Porter now, because I think there is a much better chance the corner class thins out at thirty than the running backs too. And even if I'm not even if I'm not getting Bajan Robinson, I think I could get Gibbs potentially at thirty. And the scheme that I run is very favorable to the running game, and I think masks some deficiencies in certain running backs, and so I think you can have success there. I need the

best corner that I can get. Either way, they can bleep themselves because I love both those players and I hate them. So the group agrees that you would go for Porter here, Yeah, Porter here, and then and let rob and slide. Are you going? I think that I would go with I think I would go with Robinson, is what I would. Robinson's a better player, and I would, and then I would, and then I would, I would tag one. I'd find one of these corners on the back end. All right, we go to the commanders there

now on the clock at sixteen. Their needs are quarterback with a queue, quarter back, cornerback with a C guard, tight end, linebacker. Your choices are Devin Witherspoon cornerback Illinois or Michael Mayer or any plug any one of the tight ends you want. Now you know you could you could plug it, but at this point Michael mayor I did it because he's the best tight end on my board. But you could plug in Kincaid or one of those others. But we're talking at sixteen right now. Would you take

Witherspoon or Michael Mayer? And I'm wiped at quarterback at this point. Yes, you do not have a quarterback on the board. Tight end after got it? Logan Thomas see that's yeah, Yeah, this is Washington command. We're in the commanders. Oh tighter tots. Yeah. I would go with Witherspoon over May right. I've got Witherspoon rated a little bit higher. I like may Or a lot. I think he's good, but I Thomas is just he's got injury issues. You

have you have Kincaid number one. I've got Kinkaid number one. He's my top tight end. Kincaid No, Musgrave, Musgrave? Cool? Yeah, who's your top tight end? Oh? Kaid? Who's Can I ask who the top offensive lineman is on the board? Do you have that? Or am I ruining your game? I'm just saying, Okay, then I won't. I'm fine. Then it's Witherspoon. I don't even think about a tight end. If it's between a tight end and the corner from

from Washington. The only thing that would give me some pauses depending on what the quality of the offensive line was, because you made the good point again of like cornerback falls off far faster their offensive line and Washington, yeah you don't. You don't have a chance for Sharonski or anything like that. Okay, Yeah, then I then give me, give me Witherspoon. Yeah, and it's gonna be good because I think Ceede Lamb is gonna give him fits and

he's gonna grab him and get flagged all day. You know. It's not like a Witherspoon fan. No, I'm not as high on Witherspoon as others are. I'm not either, but I would take him right there over Oh yeah too. He got to be in the right place, he does. He got to be in the right place, the right coaches, the right situation for him to see because he is such a aggressive in his attitude. Is so? I mean, I'm like, is this man a strong safety? Like he put in my notes? Is he a safety? I know?

I usually we're on the same and I would think his teammates better in Martin for all the for all the chatter about Tyler Smith and how heavily penalized he was and how much he holds and what is this going to care over the next level? I think way more consistently grabbiness at corner in college translates to a grabby corner in the NFL, and that always freaks man. He does he grabs a lot. He does. I feel like he's gonna get flagged on go watch Michigan, and

he costs them that game. Michigan targeted him in that final drive. He had two penalties and set up Michigan for the game winning field goal. So you guys are taking Witherspoon the grabby, yeah right? For good? Yeah? Perfect? Do you want to give him kincaide? No? Okay, thank goodness? Who are you? Who are you taking? I think I would take uh. I think I would take Witherspoon. Okay is what I would do. All right? Here we go.

The New York Football Giants around the clock at twenty five needs wide receiver, cornerback with a seat, center guard, safety, linebacker Jordan Addison wide receiver USC's on the board. Emanuel Forbes, cornerback Mississippi State is on the board. Who would you take between Addison and Forbes at twenty five for the Giants? Boy, those two guys their weight combined out up to Osiris Torrance.

Those are skinny players right there. I'm taking you know, Addison, and I know that Danes brought this point up before. I believe there is some familiarity in terms of what the route running and how clean he is with Addison, with Stefan Diggs and Stefan Diggs, and the success that

that Giants coaching staff had with him in Buffalo. I would be really intrigued by the idea of getting a weapon like that there to Daniel Jones, especially if you've invested in your quarterback like that, I think you should start investing in some weapons for him. And so I think that's an easy Jordan Addison, real example for me too. Addison, Yeah, I agree. All right, let's move on to your Dallas Cowboys.

Then Addison's the pick at twenty four, right, Dallas Football Cowboys, Dallas Cowboys, Okay, needs, they're looking at corner, guard, receiver, safety, tied in here. Your name's at twenty six. According to Dan Burglar, they're on your board, Cam Smith, Dalton Kincaid, o Cyrus Torrens, Quentin Johnston. He had a corner, a tied end, a guard, and a wide receiver. Cam Smith a corner, Dalton Kinkaid, the tied end, Oh, Cyrus Torrence, the guard, Quinton Johnston the wide receiver from TCU Cowboys.

You're on the clock, best player, talk it out him on your for me isiss Kinkaid is the best of If I if I felt any better about Quinton Johnston's play strength, I'd go with him. Well, I mean, but then when you talk about the size and all that stuff, and you look at Kincaid and all the stuff he can do receiver wise, no offist to Quinton Johnson. I'm

just like Quinton Johnston is to me. If I felt better about his play strength, if I felt better about him getting off the line of scrimmage with press and everything, I think he is the perfect fit for some of these concepts that they're talking about running on offense next year.

I just I don't know if the play strength and the toughness that the catch point is is that that's just what I'd have to have a question if somebody could convince me and the like, if I was in that room with them, and then Johnson makes a lot of plays down the field, if if the scouts could convince me, like, if there was somebody in the room like and could convince me Quinn Johnson's playstrength isn't going

to be an issue. Here's why or this is why this is gonna be okay, Then I'd feel better about it. If I had any lingering questions about it, I would go probably did. But you know, I saw, I saw a guy that competes. I just I don't know that he has the He's just he gets bullied, I feel like too much for his size, like in the short and intermediate game. And that's gonna be a lot of what they're doing next year passing the ball. Yeah, well I think a lot. And I really like Quinn watching

the highlights. Chris Steam's got the highlights stuff on the board. Some of it ain't got ain't gotta do with just the scheme they run also too, I mean he seemed like they're open a lot. There's times where he just takes over games like Max Duggan is just feeding him. Oh they do not. They don't make the CFP without him doing what he did in October against those ranked teams when when they went on any other one he was putting against rank teams and he was putting like

one seventy and one. He absolutely is really good for what this team is going to do next year, and what he'd have to run the kind of you know, route tree that he'd run here, I would guess in all likelihood, The question to me is can he can he beat those press Man corners? Like is he gonna get knocked off his route to easy? Everything about timing and the the real specificity of it and being just dead on. I'd have to be certain that he could do that. But that against press that could be the

argument to me. But I think that could be the argument for a lot of these receivers because they a lot of them are undersaged. So I mean, I guess you could say, like, can these are these guys winning? Are these guys is going to be able to win with their route running or with their power? I think place strength is something he can approve on, you'd hope. But I mean he was two o eight massive drop massive drop off and receiver in my opinion here compared

to these other two positions like Kincaid. If we're going best player available for me, it's Kincaid you can find. I think corner stretches. I think tight end might stretch. I don't think receiver does. I think I'd feel better about going Quentin Johnson. Now I love Cam Smith. Yeah, I mean I think Cam Smith would be in serious consideration here. I mean that dude talks, he plays with a swagger. I think I'd have a lot of fun pairing him with Treyvon Diggs, and they were desperate for

a number two corner. If I if I take a receiver or a tight end in the first round, I'm not taking the other position till day three. You got to me. Let me change scepting here for you then a little bit. Yeah, we're not allowed on our show here to talk about specific players, but there's rumors about certain receivers that might be available. Now we could talk about Beckham, sure, okay, we could talk about him because he is on the street, but we can't talk about

other things that are other unnamed veterans. If if if all of a sudden free agency they added one of these wide receivers now drafted, not taking now, not taking Quentin Johnston, take it with Smith kincaid and and go from there and Torrance, because you're probably not going to draft a wide receiver if you in fact traded for

one or signed. This is tough. If you have Smith Kincaid, Torrance and you added a receiver, yeah, and it would depend on who it is, but my inclination would be Torrance is by far the last of those to me, I would probably Kincaid still why he's just disgusted. You sound like you're disgusted because I whoever you're adding in free agency is still a very short term solution for

an offense that I think needs to grow together. And so because of it, Now, if you're telling me and there's no receiver out there like this, let's say there's a receiver on the trade market who's twenty four years old, who's fallen out of favor but as a stud, and they go get and acquire him and give an extension

something like that. If they were to do something like that, then all of a sudden, I'm changing my priorities and I'm not worried about tight end, but in terms, I need an immediate, long term weapon here in the passing game. So whether that's a receiver or tight end whatever, And I don't know that a free agent move for a veteran who's past thirty or whatever may do that for me. I also want to say, like, I feel like we have a whole bunch of faith, and I love Heney

a firt, love what they do. But the tight end position is intricate. It takes time to completely understand it and to grow into it. And these guys haven't gotten they grown man body, Henny deal, he dealt with some soft tissue stuff. You know, I still think you want

to shore up that room, like progressively. Like, even though those guys showed us great things this past year, I think it is kind of irrational to just be like, yeah, you're totally fine there, like heck no, Like I would definitely be trying to still add to what they have because they still have a lot to learn about the position they'll they'll Yeah, I definitely would still be in

favor of adding a tight end. But if I'm taking a receiver at twenty six, then I'm probably not even bothering with tight end till the fourth round though, like the because I've got other issues at play, I'm not going to add a receiver and a tight end and ignore a lot of questions at corner, questions with what you're doing at running back and all those sorts of things. I'm taking Kim Smith, I've Kinkaid and all that. I'm voting Kinkaid, Kinkaid. I'm voting Kinkaid also too, I'm not

gonna fight. I mean, he's my he'd be my number one player out of the bunch. But I think they got a desperate need a corner. I think it's saying all the things that they don't grab a wide receiver. I'd take. Johnston's who I would take, Okay, all right, so you see you's who I would take. All right. That brings us to the end of the Draft Show for another week. We appreciate everybody for listening. Thank you so much around the world. We thank you for your questions,

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