Draft Show: On The Edge

presented by Miller Lite. I think the next time we talk to y'all it'll be inside of a month until the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. Wild how that hap coming up? Get your get your draft prep in order thirty five days from now. So yeah, you're exactly right. We start watching these guys. I was gonna say, where it come out? When does Dane's book come out? And look those guys up, I said, first day or first week of April? Is what you said at the combines.

I can tell you everything you need to know about like the first one hundred and twenty guys, but like the round six round set Dane Dane Brugler need your book, please listen. We are a user driven show, a listener driven show. That's the goal anyway. So I had a whole I had a fun idea for a first segment planned out. I hope we have time for it later on in the show. But I'm just gonna give the people what they want. Guys, Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us,

Kyle Yeomans forgot about that, says sky More. No, it's not Skymore. Got that out of the way. I say to the chiefs or the packers. I hated a lot. You have a thousand yard rookie year. No, we're gonna talk about the opposite of Sky Moore, a guy from a big school who plays on defense and scround. We have been hearing everything about in case you Live under

a Rock. The Cowboys were in Oxford, Mississippi for Old Missus Pro Day yesterday, and guys, I just can't stop fielding questions about Sam Williams, and I think it's it's it's enough. It's one thing when coaches and scouts show up to a pro day, that's what they're supposed to do. But Dan Quinn leads the Old miss Edge Rusher in positional drills. At his pro day, he goes to talk to the media, brings his son along and talks about how they've been all over him, about how he's talked

to Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones thinks he could help Micah Parsons. So I get it. I get the curiosity about this guy, and so I'd like to lead the show off with a conversation about Sam Williams. What do you know? What do you think he bad? He ran a four four six, so there being two hundred and sixty pounds and running in the four fours is pretty good. And you can watch him play against Charles Cross, which I did against Mississippi State, and Sam Williams beats him a few times.

Sure does he is. He's a fast guy who has I would say, flashes of power, but consistent tenacity. So he beat Charles Cross inside, he straight armed him and walked him back to the quarterback. I don't think he's necessarily like a nuanced rusher. I think he can get better in terms of hand usage and consistent pad level. And I don't think he's a bendy guy like a lot of times when he tries to win outside he's runs himself out of the play and he just runs

behind the quarterback. But he's a fast big man with a good get off, and being fast with a good get off also means you can win inside. He's just not very bendy, So I Sam Williams to me is probably a top sixty to seventy player in this draft, and I'm glad I saw so many cowboy things about him because I hadn't even seen him yet, because I hadn't seen him ranked highly by their people, so I

hadn't gotten to him yet. He's pretty good. Yeah we heard, We've heard the name on and off, but yeah, I mean nothing, nothing will kick that conversation into overdrive like hearing and seeing that level of interest from the team. Brian, what do you think now? I tell you what. This guy makes a ton of plays from the backside, and

you could watch if you watch. The Liberty game is a really good example of this, when Willis is trying to go forward in the pocket and he comes around behind him and there's some indecision in that pocket and then boom, you got a guy that's closed. And I think Jeff's got the player right. I did see a little bit more power. In that Auburn game. There were some times where like they were trying to run the ball at him and he stoned the tackle, got rid

of him and then made a tackle for loss. Right there, I thought was because I was interested in how much power the guy could really play with. I always say this about a guy. I mean when the especially guy that gives great effort, This guy doesn't give up on plays.

I mean he when you could see whether it's you know, the Auburn game, A and M Liberty games and games I watched, I mean you could see him just constantly trying to get to the ball, and I think that's something is a defensive end, you know, you could appreciate about him. So, you know, I think there is a little bit of an element of the slipperiness to his game.

You know, Jeff's right, I don't think he's super bendy, but I think there's some things that you could see him dip his shoulder and get underneath the tackle and then kind of redirect to the ball. So I could see why the Cowboys like him. I could see why dan Quinn went and worked him out. And it's funny because going back to mobile He was not on the initial Senior Bowl roster. He was a late edition after somebody ended up believing it might have been Jermaine Johnson,

but I think he was there even before that. But he comes out and he's in this white helmet. He's not even in the old miss helmet. It's just a plain white radell helmet, and he's running. He's got the number seven. There's not even a name on the back of his jersey. And I was sitting around a group of guys and we're all kind of looking down here at this edge rusher drill and we're saying, who is that guy? Yeah, who does that? Where did he come from?

Because he's not on the roster, he's not he doesn't have a helmet. Who is he? And ultimately it ended up being Sam Williams and the Bendinus. Like you said, it's not one there, Jeff. But I think he's got a little more ben than people given credit for, and the athleticism, the strength, they're certainly where it needs to be. I kind of think he looks like a poor man's Randy Gregory, where the versatility is there and there's multiple things that he could do from a from an edge

Rusher standpoint, don't ever go to NFL dot com. If you go to NFL dot com at playing something automatically, that's okay. I gotta get those things. I was gonna try and just talk right through. But while I thought you did an adamiral job, thanks to be fair. People talking my ear while I'm trying to broadcast part. So it's part of what it goes. But yeah, I think he's a good player, and I think if you had to comp him, he's a poor man's Randy Gregory. I

think I have two thoughts. One, we first talked about Sam Williams at the Combine when Dane was filling in for YouTube gentleman who couldn't make the trip, which we all do it our best, we all, we all put effort into this. I think we would all agree we're not Dane Brugler. The man is a walking encyclopedia. So I went back and listened to his scouting report, so you don't have to if you don't want to. Was a basketball player in high school, came late to football,

wound up having to go the Juco route. There are there are off field issues here, and I think that's probably why he's sort of been under the radar, especially for a position that gets as much publicity as edge rusher. He was suspended in the summer of twenty I believe, for a sexual battery charge in the Oxford area. It

was dropped. I'm not going to get two into the weeds on it because I don't know a whole lot more, but I will say we've I mean for I'll try to take my words carefully, but the Cowboys are have been willing to consider those guys. If you go back as recently as last year, Michael Parsons came with maturity and off field questions of his own. Josh Ball is another one that we've talked about a lot, so I

don't think that would scare them. I assume they're going to do their due diligence on it, but it's something to consider just when you're talking about the player or something no and then the other thing I want. So this just reminds me. It reminds me of DeMarcus Lawrence a little bit. To be honest with you, in the sense that you're stuck in a spot where the premium edge rushers in a class probably won't be there for you.

At pick twenty four. That's not normal. And everything y'all are telling me is this sounds like a guy who can address that need later on in the draft hopefully, Yeah falls to you. Yeah, I knew. I mean, they're probably gonna get him around earlier than I would have him. I had him in the third is where I had And I think the one guy that the edge rusher, the premium edge rusher that you're talking about, that they might have taken blew out as Achilles, you know, a

Jo David jab Jabo. Yeah, I think that he would have. I mean, I think that's the one guy that might have slid to him, depending on what they think about Johnson from Florida State, But that was the one guy that everybody kind of thought might be a first round guy that would get to Dallas at twenty four. Initially it was about Walker from Georgia and then the workouts and stuff, and that's just not going to happen. I don't think you're seeing him go as early as top

five now. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy. He's a really good player. I mean, he's a really good player. But I hope you know, people just you know, take the workout, take the tape. Tape's good, you know, I don't know if it's top five good. And I don't want to say I'm surprised by this because it's what we've been talking about this entire time. If this is going to be an ice cream draft class, right, yep.

But I actually I've I've been charting some of these mock drafts, Like literally yesterday, I just went and I compared Daniel Jeremiah's most recent mock to mel Kiper's most recent mock to Dane's most recent mock. What are you doing? Oh? Yeah, why would I Why would I want to know? What are you doing? Who? So? What do you ocd every year? Out? Yeah? On a Bobby belt here, just gotta I think it's interesting to know how different people value each prospect, and

the variance is pretty nuts, honestly. Number one, you're right about Trayvon Walker. Yeah. And I just wonder though, like does group speak take over after a certain point? Like is this draft I feel like it's stronger than it can't or has been in the past. Yeah, because for the most part, because it's so interchangeable. As soon as a group of people get enamored with a prospect, it's not unlikely that that prospect jumps I really, I really think it's even more likely that you see that group

speak coming to fruition. It usually it usually the change, the big shift usually comes after the combine because what happens is media scouts will throw their opinions out there early, like we have in you know, January February, and then all of a sudden, the scouts will then have words with the media scouts, and the media scouts will realize, oh I had that guy too high, or oh I

didn't have that guy enough or high enough. So that's where I think that the really, if you look at what was said in February March about these guys early March, it's going to change after Look just check after the combine because a lot of opinions about these players tend to change because the scouts didn't get with their buddies in the Median say you got this guy wrong or you got him right yep, which Jermaine Johnson's another one and be honest with yeah, yeah, DJ's got him going

top ten. Yeah. Danny Kelly another guy who's work I really admire from the Ringer has him going twelfth overall. Sure, and there's variants, but you just you see the valuation of that position specifically. That's what makes me wonder if there's a couple of positions here that I think that

we're all would be completely different on. And you mentioned the ice cream reference, and that's about if you know, my ice cream flavor is different from mirrors for sure, and so yeah, I think there's I think if we put all our wide receivers in order, that would be completely different. I think if we put all our defensive ends maybe with the exception of the top two depending on if you you know, like Hutchinson or Thibodeau, whoever you like, but other than that behind those guys, I

think it would be a completely mixed up order. And Dallas has done their due diligence on a lot of those guys too that are behind that uper echelon, because I mean they've met with guys like Drake Jackson, Nick Canino Williams. Like we mentioned, it might have had to pivot here since they lost Randy Gregory, by the way, Sure that might have been that might have been the big pivot there, because you know, all of a sudden.

Maybe you're not thinking about defensive end. Remember we did the show here I think it was last week or you know, whenever. But when Randy, we all thought Randy was signing we did, when we eliminated these defensive ends. Ye, now dan Quinn's out working out potentially a second or third round defensive end with some a little bit of baggage from Mississippi. That's a really good point. I want. I mean, I tend to think they might have done

that anyway. But we said, Jeff, you and I were talking about the defensive end rotation that's currently on this team on Tuesday, and I was like, yeah, I feel fine about that. I would love to like I would love to be a on the wall for dan Quinn. And He's just like, I'm not fine with this. I don't feel good about I think I think two is anytime you see dan Quinn showing up at a pro day, that's a big stick in the room because what's happened

is dan Quinn came in and gave your defense. Not only do you improve the scheme, he approved the accountability and he proved it. He approved the player that's on the field. So dan Quinn is going to have a lot of say and what happens on that defensive side of the ball. And so if he's you know, working out a guy like Sam Williams and stuff like that, you know, I think he's gonna, you know, if it

comes down to what about this player? What about this player, Dan's gonna walk in that room when we're all sitting here watching the war room came and he's gonna start pointing out guys that he's worked out, and this guy's gonna worry. So I would definitely keep an eye on the thirty visits, and i'd also keep an eye on where Dan Quinn's been working out people. We've been getting a lot of questions about thirty visits. I know got

four of them. A few of leaked out. We mentioned trailing Burke's Leale out of Texas A and m As another one Alave from Ohio State in Green and Green from Texas A and m before. We know. So far we're trickling. Yeah, we'll get we'll get some more. It's again, it's not April yet, which I feel like the Cowboys timeline for the thirty visits is usually like first two

weeks of April. I Yeah, they figured that out. They'll they'll start putting their board together too here pretty soon once all the pro days get in the books, and then they'll schedule with Jerry and Steven how their schedule needs to be, and then they'll start on their process.

Given the Sam Williams focus, can I impose upon y'all, let's give me give me your your edge rushers that you're confident aren't going to be first round picks, but maybe that thirty five to eighty eight sort of sweet spot day two edge rushers that they might be curious about. I heard a guy pronounce this name a little while ago, so I think I can say this right. Ebbitt Katie. Yeah, State Katie would be good because I think five of them are going to go in the first round. That's

my guests. Yeah, at least Hutchinson, Thibadeau, Walk, Karlotis Johnson, and then in order too and Ojabo who knows um. So then my next guys, my second round guys, Ebba Katie at Penn State, My next one, Sam Williams, Wow, I had a boy a mofe, Nick Benito, interesting nig Bare at South Carolina and Logan Hall at Houston. You have him as an edge rusher, not a three technique. Yeah, I mean he might be right, Jeff might be right about he's he's a tweener. Put him wherever you one.

I had him on both boards for a little bit, not to piss Jeff off. Going back to my mock draft chart. Not an insignificant number of people mocking him into the first round. By the way, who's that Logan Hall? Oh yeah, yeah, no, No, he's not been up there. No, I mean you would take absolutely not at no. If I if I were to put Logan Hall with my d tackles, he would probably be D tackle number four, behind Jordan Davis, DeVante Wyatt, Trivis Jones. He'd probably be

the fourth. By the way, they had their defensive line coach up in the stores Connecticut working on the Travis Jones. Yeah, I see you. What do you got, Bryan? I tend to have Mafe is my second round guy. I was Johnson, a Jabo and then Mafe. That's before the injury too. But I'm gonna leave the kid at Michigan there. I think the Cowboys do the same thing. It's you know, they'll say, well, let's give the players Due. They did

it with they did it with the Jalen Smith. They'll probably have a second maybe first round grade and they'll probably leave him there. But then I went with williams Our Penn State guy. Then I went with South Carolina and I don't really like Drake Jackson all that much. My J Sanders was down there too, and then Benito would be my last guy there in the third. Is how I had that rated. I'm higher on my j than I think everybody is. I don't know why. I

could be completely wrong, but I like his strength. I like his potential as an athlete. I have him in that second round category. He's not above like a boy a Mafe or an Arnold, the Ebacadie, even Kingsley, a Nagbarre from South Carolina. Those are the guys there that I want to hear you. If you guys have watched this guy, Cameron Thomas from San Diego, I have. I have him in the third, but he's kind of knocking on that door of maybe a second round potential. What

do you like about him? I'll tell you what the thing about him is. And you know, initially when you watched him play, I was I was just the motor on this guy. I mean it never he never stops. And you know, I was, I was interested about him because I was kind of looking at the six four, he's two sixty seven. He kind of fits that long rangy profile. But this guy, I mean when you watch him play, he has the ability to create turnovers. I mean he's in the pocket, he tips passes, he chases

the ball, he's got start stop quickness. I mean he gains a lot of ground on that first step and then he's kind of able to sharpen that corner. So you know, I was, I was pretty impressed with him. You know. And again this is one of those compared since I mean, and it's not just the white guy to white guy thing, but I think he's got some Ryan Carrigan to his game, you know, that kind of thing. I think there's that kind of vibe with that high effort,

high motor. He's in the way, he's knocking balls down, he's creating turnovers, he's getting sacks. I think this is a guy that I might have him around too low on where you know, where my notes say, he's what do you have him? I'm the fourth fourth? Okay, Yeah, one of my first thoughts all the way back in January or whatever about George Karloftis was Carrigan and I was like, are they similar or are they just white? Like sometimes mean, like I think with things I look at.

You know, Drake London from from usc to me, he's like Adam Feeland. When you watch Adam Feeland play and you know, the disability to run all these routes, high point balls, you know, get open. Maybe he's not always separated, but man, he makes a lot of plays. And so I kind of was like thinking, that's who I was watching when I saw Drake London play. I like that comp Yeah, all right, a lot of place finished a little bit early, but I feel like that just gives

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I need to be thinking about that for sure. Sure, we're too busy with draft time exactly we are, Kyle, which thank you so much to Jasmine who is producing place today. Jasmine, this is where you do the drop twitter on the Twitter. Hell yeah, fantastic. Let's get going, all right. We got one from Chris that I think is interesting more from a team building perspective than a draft perspective. But if a cornerback were to fall to you in this draft, it could be first round, second round.

Just let's just say a high pick. Do you try to do anything with your depth chart there? Obviously you got Anthony Brown with one more year on his deal, Jordan Lewis, I believe with two more years on his so I see the logic there. You could maybe have some trade bait if you wind up with a much

more talented corner than expected. I think Anthony Brown would like you to not draft a corner because this team, the way that they would look at it is, man, we'd really like our young Kelvin Joseph to take over starting job anyway, and then if I know how Stephen Jones brain works, if they were to draft a corner, he would immediately go to overthcap dot com or I guess they have their own system of doing what I'm going to right now, open the spreadsheet and he would go, huh,

let me say five million bucks if we moved on from this guy. So Anthony Brown is the one number on their roster that I look at, and I'm like, if they can, they'll release you, because that's where somebody is. To be fair, I don't even know if they need to draft a corner or Kelvin Joseph just needs to ball out and try If Calvin Joseph has a camp like Treyvon Diggs did it last summer where you're just like,

oh my god, this guy's killing it. But would you cut a six million dollar corner if you didn't feel good about your depth? Because I don't feel good about their depth, I would not, but they might. I'll ask this question. I love having depth, but sometimes I feel like I'm especially in that position. Go ahead, Bryan McDuffie, Carloftis Burks, which of the three. Yeah, oh man, that does a really good give me. I'm torn between McDuffie and carloft This like, like Burks is great, but I

can I interest you in a lobby then that's where it. Okay, I just so you're not going to take a wide receiver at all premium No, premium defenders are harder to find. Okay, McDuffie or Loftus. McDuffie, what do you think this team would do? Though I'm interested to suit. My guy to the right would say Carloftus might be the right answer. Well, I don't like doing top fifty because then you take guys who you have graded the same and now I have to actually stack it actual do it um next.

This is what Brian hosting the Draft show was like every day. By the way, if I were putting together a top fifty mcduffy versus Carloftis, I think McDuffie would be higher, so I would take McDuffie. Let me ask you. This does an answer. I'm a big Okay, I'm glad I agree with y'all. I think. Tell me, come on, Mike Zimmer, don't do this to me. How much time do we have before the pick. You got ten minutes. There's other teams in Philadelphia only took eight minutes to

make that pick. Karloftis wins more because he works hard than because he's a freak, right, Which one helps your long term? I just I want and you want the better athlete at the better position. But you're telling Premier because you're telling me, is you guys really trust Armstrong? No? No, no, no, that's what you do. That's what you do. You're You're always like, well, if you would take McDuffie, you must

think the guys here are grade. It's like, no, I just think that guy's a better player at a valuable position. It's got nothing to do with what I think at the end, and I think Karloftis is a better player and a better fit. I say Carlofts either way? Is there another is? Okay? What about one of those guards? Okay, how about this? If you did it where you Okay, take take both guards? Okay, okay, so both guards over both? Okay, so Zion Johnson or or McDuffie, Zion Johnson, Zion Johnson,

Zion Johnson or Stingley Stingley grade at higher. But I'm so terrified of Stingley. I love Jeff is afraid of his own grades, Like like I have him. I have him in the right place. Because Derek Stingley plays a premier position. There's a league that he becomes one of the best corners in football. And yeah, I'm terrified of us. Sure, I think somewhere else he's confident in his in his grades. Because they're so close together, I was gonna say he's

not terrified of his grades, he's terrified of making the call. Yeah, that's well, he doesn't have to do that. He because even making the call, I would preface it. I'd be like, listen, here's the thing, guys, Stley is the right pit. You're just but if he quits the team or gets hurt every year, that's you're inspiring everybody in that world. Okay, st stack it, stack it, then stack it, then do this. McDuffie, Karloftus and Zion Johnson stack him, stack him, Zion McDuffie, Karloftus. Okay,

that is I'm I'm impressed. I think I guess. I just I thought Zion is complete. Those other two aren't, like I think there is and here I should probably balance that offensive guard. I don't think you would consider premiere position. Those other two are. But that's what makes it a hard decision. Like McDuffie is small, short arms, but his tape is incredible. Karloftus is short arms, not a premiere athlete, didn't even have big time production. He

just says really good tape. Zion Johnson is premiere athlete, premier tape. It's just he doesn't play premier position. Yeah, I'm safe with Zion Johnson. I might miss with Karloftus or McDuffie. I'm not missing with Zion Johnson. I don't think. Probably something we don't talk enough about too again is we all have our own feelings about guys, and that's great. Does dan Quinn like Trent McDuffie, you know, if he doesn't,

if his arms don't really if you can't. But as soon as they put the measure tape down, he was like, get him, get out of dan Quinn is like, if you can't pull your socks up without bending down, I don't want you. I'm not interested. So it's just something to consider. Do you think then McDuffie would be a second round grade on their board for that reason? I wouldn't doubt it. I think I would. I would think that's all I gotta do, or maybe they wouldn't put

him on there. Just go out and look at the dbs that have joined the team since he got here. I don't know if you'd be a second round grade, but I don't know if I trust that they draft him. It's even on the board. Teams do that. They have thresholds where it's like, Guys, I know that he's a good player, we're not picking him, though, so just don't

put him on there. Yeah, And that's been one of the trickier things to It's hard to reconcile that with with fans and listeners, where you're like, look, I know he's a good player. At the end of the day, it's not for us. Not well, it's not not for them. Not for them. I'm like, I can't make them be interested in a guy that doesn't fit what they're looking No, you need to know Andrew Booth at Clemson, kyer Elam Yeah, Florida, Florida with those are the guys you need to know.

I know you're trying to get to another question, but I want to hear Brian's thought on that same kind of ranking. Do you have McDuffie over those guys like Carlos, I have Carloftus McDuffie, and then I have Ingram. That's how I would do it if if that was Ingram Ingram over job. Yeah, and I would do. I would do. I would do. I would do. If you if you threw in Burks, I would put Burks Burks carloftus McDuffie is how i'd have it. Actually, as long as we're

doing this, another question from Chris. If you ask good questions, I'll ask them both, he says. And maybe this is a reach, but just spare with me. Trevor Penning verse the two guards Green and Zion, Zion Green, Penning. Now, if you want a prediction the order they're gonna go in Penning Green John. So I'm just asking we're good, We're good with the projection that we'd play Pinning a guard or would you just go ahead and put Pinning it right tackle and say we're going to figure out

who's going to play left guard? Yes, I think the second one. Are you gonna play? This team? Would be like, what are you talking about? You can't take Terren Steel off the fields? Get on my face with that. See to me, if you told me Penning or Terrence Steele, that's so cemented. Though I really don't like, I know that the just right. That doesn't mean that they're not

gonna go draft the guy either. They could go draft the guy at twenty you would still be getting worse on purpose and using a first round pick to do. Trust me, I'm not in that same camp, but I'm saying they might be like what you just said, throw a good right tackle off the team. He's hurt. I actually I've I apologies, I don't remember your name, but I've been getting blown up by one of our listeners who's like, am I the only person in the world

that's terrified about the swing tackle situation? Yes, you don't have one. No, no, the answer will see ball. No you're not an you don't have one. No, I'm just for them. You are that to them, the balls are guy. Follow me here, though, what like, how highly are you willing to address that? If you believe in Terence Steele? You know what I mean? Like, that's why we're not done with free agent third or fourth round. They're gonna bring it exactly And that's what I think they're gonna

bring another Inseci type of guy in here. If I had to guess, because it's not a big enough need that you're going to spend a premium pick on it. If you to get all those five yeah, I mean, I'm not worried about swing tackle. In March, they'll do something about it. I agree. Okay, then would you say, would you go get a veteran guard and not worry about that spot or does right the second? I think they should sign a veteran guard. I think we've said

that from the beginning. They were going. I think they should sign a or trade a late pick man. We have thirty year olds gonna be totally soured on McGovern, haven't we. So not maybe not, but that I was about to say, this team in the league since he was here in the three years three, right in the nineteen class. Yeah, so he's been in the league three years, he's entering his contract here, and in year three you

got a shot at it. No, we don't believe in that he played center in college and they won't even let him see right here. Okay, this is where my worry is. I don't know if we talked about this on Tuesday, I know we got to get too questions. My worry is, do you have a split room now

about these offensive linemen, especially the guards. All of a sudden, the scout are going, well, okay, Joe, you really didn't like our guy McGovern who we gave one a one two one gray top of the second round and we got in the third and you really didn't want to play him, you know. And Joe's like, well, you guys can't find me a guard? Joe hits play goes no, I couldn't. Yeah. See, So that's what I'm saying. I wonder if they're out there on the road, my guy,

help us find That's what I'm saying. I wonder if the scouts are going to be on board with anybody that Joe selects or Joe wants. I wonder if they're going to try and slam holes in Joe's guy if they don't. If they don't draft a guard in the first round and they don't sign a veteran that's a capable starter going into Day two of the draft, will you be freaked out or do you think that you could get to the let's say, in the second round they don't pick a guard so you don't have a

left guard and you're going into the third round. You're freaking out. Here's here's the thing a little bit. Probably are you ready for the cold strange era? Like, don't I don't feel like I I don't feel like I have to entertain this because they're gonna sign a guard. They just they are. They are. You're gonna sign a guy for like eight hundred and fifty K, just like they did with James Washington and all these times. So you don't like, you don't like Penning over Green or

Zion Johnson? No, and I like, like, I like Penning. I don't think Penning's tape is close to Johnson or Green, like they have incredible tape. Penning is a really big, strong, violent dude. Yeah, that's tape is okay to pretty good that he just has great size and he's got a highowerful. He's a mall or right, he's got the play important position. Yeah, what about Cross? You can take cross over those guys would take cross over both of them. Yeah, Cross is

my favorite guy. So that's a bad question for me. But I will say this though, are you worried about like you say you put Penning a right tackle and something happens to Tyrn Smith left tackle, you could just immediately just do that. And I mean that does that mean more to you than having a guard? No, I just I want to have my best five that I feel good about going in. I know we're gonna have

to do stuff during the year. Yeah, because it's football. Yeah, something is going to happen, But I just want to start off with the good five. I think if they don't always agree with you, well, they're not always good at this. Yeah, I am. So if the Cowboys want to get this draft right, I'll do it relatively. Looking for Dave. You have to keep Will and you got to keep Chris Hall, and then I'll handle it. You'll

be I'll value their opinions, but I'll handle it. I just I just know that there are members of that part of the building listening to this. And yeah, Jeff's being tongue in cheek. That's all, guys, it's all facetious. Scouts don't make the picks. I believe the Cowboys have an awesome scouting staff. Yeah, they don't pick them. So you can get these guys right and put them in the right order and tell the coaches the right order. So you're telling you're locking Joe Been out of the room.

Then yeah, I don't need Joe, Yeah, you don't need you. I was actually, all right, we're just we're abandoning Stephen and Jerry. Don't need Joe Philbin either. I was like, my offensive line coach doesn't need to tell me who to draft. I would say, no, your job is to coach the guy. Did you lose faith in Joe Philbin when he get rid of Lyle Collins? I have very little faith in any coach as an evaluator, Like, if you've proven to me that you're incredible at it, then

I'll listen to you. Other than that, you can tell me before I go scout. I was with the couple. I was with the couple that were pretty good, but I understand what we like. You can tell me if you're the offensive line coach, I'll be like, what do you value? Tell me what you want? Yeah, and then my job, not yours, is to go find him and I'll put him in order for you. I was my job. I was thinking about this very thing last night, Brian. Have you ever heard of a team in the league

basically doing that? And saying like, give me your list of specs and I'll go find the guy. And you shut up, like, just get out of the guy. The guy with the guy. The head coach at Green Bay he wasn't involved with the draft. Yeah, they didn't. I mean they It's kind of the Packers way of doing things. I mean, he's probably surprised that he could go on the road and evaluate people. I get that you want

they value the coach's opinion here a lot. I get that you want alignment between all the different parts of your team. But when you think, and this isn't Cowboys specific, this is just the league. Like when you think about the politics that go into this, Like the coach is like I need this guy if I'm keeping my job, Well, that's not what the scouting department should care about. Find me the best players. And so I think by and large this has worked. Look what's going on. Look what's

going on in Miami right now? The two teams that were interested in the Hill deal, Jets, Miami, both general managers might be getting fired. So you all of a sudden, you're pushing everything in the middle. The last two general managers that have won the Super Bowl both were guys that were probably gonna get fired. Jason Light at Tampa. Ask him about that. He's sicking. Man, I've got I've gotta find something. Tom Brady falls in his lap, let's sneed I don't know, man, they might not want me

around here too much. Let's push everything in and go. You know, I don't care about traff picks. That's what look Queer is doing in Miami. Chris Greers trying to prove you that TWOA can play his His career is based on whether they can't. That's what I'm saying. We're going. Yeah, I'm saying if they don't do well in Miami, Chris Greer gets fired, that's somebody else's problem. Without draft picks

and high cap and all that stuff. That's why that's why this this free agency and stuff is crazy now because general managers know they're gonna get fired after three or four years. It used to be these guys stayed for ten fifteen years and kind of did their job, kind of build a foundation. Rose owners are like, bro pack out. You know I got time for that. Yeah. Kind of a related topic. Uh, stich step here. The

general manager's not going anyway. You are one day yeah, one day, one day in I mean, yeah, we're all going somewhere. I'm hopefully not too fast. Just him here, all of us, We're going somewhere. Backing away from the microphone, Stitch wants to not wants to talk about the value of receivers. M oh jeffs here for that. Tyreek Hill receivers are awesome. Tyreek Hill was traded yesterday for a boatload of picks And will McClay actually talk to us

about this in Indie? Just about like NFL evaluators can count on like five good receivers coming out of every draft class. Is the position being devalued at the top in the sense that teams would rather trade these guys away than sign one. Have you seen Tyreek hills contract elaborate? Yeah? Fair, They are plenty valued. What that is is, I know this's gonna bother people because there's a segment of the

population that has no idea what they're talking about. To pretend that there's no salary cap and you can just do whatever you want. You think the Kanna City Chiefs wanted to move on from the best receiver in football. No, I think the Greenbay Packers want from the best receiver. Football is the best. This is great right here, Salary CAP's real life. It is. Jeff gets all crusty on us.

The Keansa City Chiefs decided, all right, we have a forty five million dollar quarterback, we have a twenty million dollar tight end. We can't have a third million dollars receiver. And that forty five million dollar quarterback gets bigger and bigger and bigger as it gets along as well, So and so they said, crap, we have to move on from it. Now, do you have a better chance at replacing at least decent production at wide receiver than at

maybe edge or left tackle or corner quarterback? Sure? Yeah, the value of the incredible receiver it's thirty million a year. Now, you are you are right? But I do think, yeah, I think maybe there's a growing line of thinking that's like, Okay, if we've got to replace a contract, this is the one we can do. Cowboys did it with a Mari

as well. It's like, if somebody that's making north of eighteen million has to be replaced, we our best bet is to find a receiver on the cheap rather certainly, rather than a quarterback, rather than a defensive end rather than I think it all depends on where you are, because like the Dolphins, we already talked about Chris career, right, but also they have a young quarterback that honestly, the entire league has no idea if you can play, and if you had to pick a leaning, most people would

probably leank towards. Can't and you haven't been good for long, so you don't have a bunch of big contracts on your team, so you can, like the Cowboys, who are going into this offseason had eight or nine twelve million dollar players. You can't let me rephrase you can. But much like the Chiefs and Packers, the Cowboys decided the potential disaster later is not worth what we would have to do to keep this guy around. Like that's what

happened with the Chiefs. They looked down the barrel of the salary cap and they said, all right, what would we have to do? And they went restructure that guy, that guy, and that guy, and then we could do it. And they go, but we don't want to be stuck with that guy, that guy, and that guy at even more money later. We want to be able to get rid of them, and they went, crap, trade Tyreek Hill. That's how it goes. I hate to say it. I

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dot gov. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, final segment of the Draft Show coming at you. This was my plan first segment, but it'll work just fine in the third at which we kind of touched on this with Tyree Kill in the last segment. But this is, all of a sudden, a very unique looking first round of the NFL Draft in the sense that a quarter of the league doesn't have a pick. Yeah, this has

been and they're okay with that. It certainly seems that way. Yeah, So obviously, the Chiefs get Miami's twenty ninth overall pick yesterday in the Tyree Kill trade. That makes them the sixth NFL team to have multiple picks. The Houston Texans also got an extra one for their deal for Deshaun Watson. They pick third and thirteenth. The Giants pick fifth and seventh because of the Justin Fields trade. The New York Jets pick fourth and tenth because of the Jamal Adams trade.

The Eagles have three picks the Jalen Waddle trade and the Carson Wentz trade. I was about to say, I can't even keep it all straight anymore. And Green Bay also has two ones because they traded Davante Adams. Yeah, one of those two teams chiefs and packers is going to get my sky More. You think that happen. You really think sky Moore is gonna be a first round pick?

I do, I can't do. Oh. I don't think he'll be a first round pick, but I do it can guarantee he'll end up in one of those spots where you look at it and you're like, man, they're good at drafting, and they did it again. I think anybody who would be shocked by that, I'm not wrong. I'm not shocked. I wouldn't be shocked because we've talked about him more than any other prospect in this class. I tweeted the guy might need up in Kansas City yesterday. Sorry you muted me. I don't blame you that I

blocked you. I don't blame it's it's a transparent block where you can't see that I've blocked you. I will say this though, um if Clyde Edwards Aleric can go in the first round, I guess sky I think if you're I think if you're Green Bay or can't see you know, green Bay has a history of not selecting

first round receivers. Two thousand and two was the last time they did that, and so I kind of feel like though that these teams at the back end, maybe they think if it's going to stretch, the receivers are going to stretch. But with the multiple picks, you almost have to think, we got to get this guy around early. When you're drafting on the back end, you almost have to think around early because these players, like a skymar is not going to be coming back around to you

in the second round. That's where that's and that's where Jeff I think is right. You know, would would a team would a team would say the let's say Seattle has a pick at nine, would they take sky More. No, they wouldn't. But if Seattle was drafting at twenty nine or thirty, sure, That's what you almost have to think, like around earlier when you're on the back end because the level of players everybody. That's the advantage of picking early,

of course, is the better players. On the back end, you have to be a little bit more creative with who you want and you have to think about it for you know, mil kiper Us whatever, go, well, that was around early on that guy. No, they don't think that player is going to get back around to him. That's why you see, and that's why Skymore could go very well to Green Bay, can't. I tell you the thing that's inviting about both those places, both cold weather cities,

both play cold weather ball. You know, Skymore playing at Western Michigan, he's used to playing in those conditions and he's a really good football player. Yeah. The two Ohio State guys did that too though. Yeah. No, and that's what I'm saying. That's why Chris Olava and yeah, absolutely Wilson that yeah, yeah, that's where you're gonna you're gonna get that kind of You can just enunciate if you want.

I'd take sky More over. Chrisalalavea, there you go. And Jamison Williams, Oh my, okay, see your wide receiver one wide receiver two? Who's who's one? Garrett Wilson interesting cans. I'm saying, if we, if we, if we, Skymore doesn't become a decent NFL player, it's going to be bad. At least. This isn't the No, everybody has a Joey here Darius Washington. Well, this isn't our Darius. No, No,

because he's not he's not on the threshold. Like thirty two teams would pick Sky, probably three might pick Sky. Moore is gonna get picked and picked high. He's a great he would be a great fit for Kansas City as accurate as that quarterback he is throwing the ball and the move at all the platforms in the way the guy moves around. Yeah, so all right, let's let's start in the back and move up. And that's it's so easy to peg those type of players for your

Kansas City and for your Green Bay. That Kansas City did it with Clyde Edwards Hilaire. You just sort of plug a guy that you think is good into an offense that doesn't need a whole lot. Do you see that happening? Or I mean, I could just so easily pickure Green Bay drafting like Jamison Williams. Jamison Williams can end up in Green Bay. You you think they're gonna do it. You think they're gonna draft the receiver because they they got two picks. I mean they have dress

would probably mutiny. They haven't done it, you know. Like I said, they haven't done it since two thousand