Draft Show: Now It's Crunch Time

the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Kyle Yeomans, Bucky Brooks, David Helman will be soon to be joined by Brian brought us coming up here in the next couple of moments. But guys, sixty five days, it's the Draft Show presented by Miller Lite. That's always been in the case, But I mean, it's now crunch time for these scouting departments. We're getting into the nitty gritty, Bucky, because hey, there's a lot of evaluations still to go for a lot

of these prospects. The lists have been made, now it's really time to fill them out. A little bit. Yeah, the list have been made, but I mean there's so many guys to talk about and discuss, and what you're trying to do is you're trying to get all the information right, You're trying to get all the background information.

You're trying to get any too physical stuff that you can get on them, and you're trying to make sure that the profile is complete so you can stack these guys, you can separate the top guys from the guys that are right in the middle of the pack and beyond. And so it is a huge challenge. It's a lot of weight to bear if your front office, particularly because you don't have to combine and some of the other

things that you used to having. Dave, how much of a challenge is this going to be for the Cowboys front office specifically, because I mean, whenever you look at in the past, the combine has certainly played a big factor of the Senior Bowl as well. I mean we've talked plenty about the Senior Bowl and how there's probably gonna be some guys from that group that are going to be in Dallas. But Will would playing his staff, I mean, they have a tough task ahead of them.

Of trying to figure out how to evaluate these college prospects. And we've talked about opt outs and all sorts of different wrenches and curveballs that have been thrown into this thing, but it continues to be crazy. I'm really I'm really sad right now now, Kyle, because as we sit here, you know, I know not everybody listens live, but we are recording this at ten am Dallas time on Tuesday, And if it was a normal year, we would be in a cab right now on our way to downtown Indianapolis.

Because Tuesday is kind of the unofficial start of the Combine Week. We would probably be heading right to the JW. Marriott to go try to talk to Stephen Jones, which is always kind of the start of Combine Week. And it just bums me out because you know, I always talk about the draft process as like it's like a roadmap or if you play video games, you know how you kind of like uncover the map as you go along, and you just you don't have a lot of that

stuff that helps you do that. Like when you go to the combine obviously you have the workouts and the measurements, and we always say you don't want to fall in love with that too much. But at the same time, it helps you differentiate between these players, you know, whether that's arm length or forty time or the three cone time, helping you figure out, you know, who's got the burst

to get around the corner, that type of stuff. And then also this is where you start hearing about team zeroing in on guys, whether that's because they take the time to sit down with them on an official interview or you kind of say, oh, wait, well, you know, the Cowboys only have sixty interviews and they're talking to ten quarterbacks. That's that's something you know, and we just don't have that this year, which means you have to

cast that much wider of a net. You know, you have to you have to consider more guys than you would probably need to in a normal year, honestly, and it's it's just kind of frustrating. Is it more frustrating, Bucky from a media standpoint this year than it normally has been? Because I know, especially you guys at the NFL network, you get unprecedented access, and sure every media member has some level of access, but is it more frustrating to try and put that piece together also with

kind of the networking that goes on. I know I was looking forward to going back a second year because of some of the connections we made last year at the draft that kind of gave you some of that information and you get to see these prospects with your own eyes and ask these questions. But how frustrating is it not only from a media perspective, but just an overall general standpoint. Well, I mean, I think it's frustrating on a bunch of different levels. I think this the

combine is really the NFL convention. It is the one time that everyone is in the same city, in the same location. Coaches, scouts, media members, everyone is there, and so it's the one time that you can catch up with everybody on all things related to football, whether it's

college or the NFL. And so, yeah, I am frustrated that you do miss out on some of those conversations and the conversations that would take place in front of the mic, but those conversations that you would have at restaurants, in those things when you catch people with their hair down a little bit, and so I think missing that part of it, not being able to kind of follow some of the bread crumbs that would be dropped along

the way. That makes it challenging because people would kind of give you indicators on who they liked and what they liked and how the league is trending. We won't get any of that, and you can't get that information from tax and sometimes phone calls, which and just to kind of go off that point, you know, And obviously we love you know, we love to say investigate and educate,

and that's absolutely what we'll keep doing. But my whole thing is like as a as a Cowboys reporter who also reports on the draft, I care a lot less how I feel about guys and a lot more how the Cowboys front office feels about guys. Like, you know, who cares at the end of the day, if I like Caleb Barley more than Patrick's or Tan, you know, because if the Cowboys they well, thank you, Kyle, But

the Cowboys don't. I've learned that over the last eight years is that they definitely they definitely don't care what I think. So I'd much rather get a better idea of what they think. And Bucky's absolutely right, you know, showing up at showing up at Saint Elmo's or Kilroy's at eleven o'clock at night and talking to people after they've had a couple of beers. It's a great way to get an idea about what they're thinking, or who

they like or who they don't like. I can't tell you the number of times, and to be fair, scouts in front office people love to know more than you, and they do most of the time, but like they're not going to give you the satisfaction of thinking that you had a good idea very often. I can't tell you how many times I've gone out at the Combine and somebody's like, oh, yeah, you media types, I don't know why you're still talking about that guy, like or I don't know, I don't know why y'all are also

in love with that guy, you know? Like that is that's like a rite of passage every year at the Combine is finding out that all your favorite players can't play. So yeah, I mean, it's it's valuable information that you get when you're hot nomen around Indie and Bucky's absolutely right, like you can text and call people all you want, but it's it's not quite the same and it definitely hampers the process. Bucky have you ever scouted shamed the media member in your day, back in the day before

you were a medium. No, no, no, no, I don't think so. I think I think it's interesting. I think the conversation's interesting, particularly if you had a couple of adult beverages and people are really having no about what I call unfiltered, unfiltered conversations. I think it's good, but I think it's also good like being on the scout

part of it. This is the first time that you've been around a bunch of guys, and a lot of times at the comment while we were watching workouts, you have a group of guys that are just having open conversations about players and hey, what do you think about this dude? And what do you think about that dude? And I didn't like that? What have you seen him in this game? I watched him play versus this? You

should go back and check that out. Sometimes you kind of need to bounce some ideas and some thoughts of others just to either I mean, maybe some of his self validation, but just confirmed like, oh, okay, I'm not crazy. I'm not the only one who may have a big grade on this guy, or maybe I do need to think about it this way. Not this necessarily changes you, but you want to be challenged a little bit to make sure that you end up getting your right based

on your own opinion at the end of the day. Now, from a complete standpoint, and we've talked about this previously with kind of a Senior Bowl and other evaluation process events, but whenever it comes to guys touching the tags, and we're going to spend a lot of time today kind of split up by Twitter on the twenty of talking

about guys touching tags. But how much of an impact does the combine play on some of those guys that are so close on your chart and your draft board to each other that it's kind of tough to decipher and you need every single piece of information because I mean, we've already talked about it and Dave throughout the names earlier.

Kayla Farley, Patrick's ter Tan. I think those are probably the two guys that right now, especially in the fans or the minds of Cowboys fans, are the potential picks at ten and a lot of those have their tags touching. So what are we missing with Kayla Farley and Patrick's r Tan This week? Both corners Virginia tach Alabama respectively, that have these tags touching, but have to have a little bit of that evaluation process maybe to decipher between

the two. Well, one thing that to combine and provides you as the opportunity to watch them work out back to back. Now, depending on where their letters of their last name befall, you might have an opportunity to see those guys work out literally behind each other, and being able to do that one on one compare contrast in terms of how they back on, how they break and drive, who flips the hips, who's more explosive, who jumps higher.

To take all of that information on top of what you've seen on tape, it can help you kind of separate which camp you're on. And I think we missed that because there's one thing to go to Virginia Tech and watch Cayla Farley workout, then to go to Alabama a couple of days later. It's another thing to watch it happen in real time. And we can take those things or whatever. But there's a feel that you get when you see guys go back to back that can

help you kind of cast at deciding vote. We missed that and so yeah, we can look at the Pro day numbers. The Pro Day's numbers would be different because they're taking a different places measured by different guys. But at the combine, the playing field is level, and so it helps you separate who you really like versus, hey, this guy should be below this other guy. Hey, Bucky, let me let me sorry, Kyle, let me ask you a hypothetical, buck because I already said it, and you

know people call it the underwear Olympics. You always try to guard against falling in love with guys at the combine, But you think about you know, Cayla Farley, great example, Micah Parsons, Jamar Chase, what do you think would happen if these guys were able to go to the combine and light it up the way that you would guess that they would do. You think that would weigh more heavily, Like maybe maybe it is a good thing that you don't have this as a as a way of offsetting

the lack of taper or whatever. I guess is. You know, if these guys show up and have an amazing workout, do you think it would it would impress people more than a normal year. I guess That's what I'm trying to say. It would serve as a reminder. If we saw Michael Parsons going light it up, it would remind us like, oh, you know what I like this year. You know, maybe maybe maybe he's not so bad because he said out a year Jamar Chase running round stagging balls.

It's a reminder. It brings you back to the forefront. And so yeah, it would be a great opportunity Caleb Farley because he hasn't played a while, but we've seen Patrick stan the second play this year. But if he goes out there and he moves around and he looks, you're more apt to how to fall back in love with him. And so without that, you don't have that ability.

And sometimes there are guys that do things that really amaze you, Like last year Tristan Worf's all the work that he was able to do right you see him as a right tackle only at Iowa, but then you see the athleticism and all the traits, and then you

dig into the background. He was a state champion discus thrower and state champion wrestler, and you put all of those things together and then you see him play this year and he's the starting right tackle for the super Bowl champion, and so it can remind you on some of these athletic traits that you do know that are essential. And even though we kind of ding and dog ay

it's the underwear limpus, it doesn't really matter. In some cases, it does because you've seen those games where you see the athleticism play out in real time in front of you. You want those explosive athletes like it's a beauty paget and in the draft, I want the prettiest I want the prettiest girl like I wanted so I wanted. I want him to have it all. I want him to be the most talented. I wanted to win the swimsuit edition. I want it all. So that's what the combine gives

you an opportunity to see it. It's a good way to put it, Bucky, I like it. And from here is where the roadmap really kind of starts to narrow and you start to kind of get that that certain idea of who is the prettiest girl at the ball, you know, Bucky, I mean you got to find a

way to evaluate that process previously. But I want to hear a roadmap and a thought process for some of these specific guys, and throughout the rest of this segment, and in the third segment, we're gonna do some buyer sell.

I want to talk about guys that we know those tags are touching and allow really those at home to have that same kind of evaluation process with us, because they're going to wait and watch the pro DA's kind of like what we are, because right now would have all these evaluations, the combine and all sorts of things, and then we would go and try and add on to that with the pro das well. The pro days are it and that starts pretty much March fifth, I

think is really the first real big pro day. I know Trevor Lawrence has already done his individual workout that's a specific case. But what guys right now that you guys have looked at might be right there on that touching tags. They're right next to each other that you really need to see more of in order to try and make a fair decision. I mean, like, there's so

many ways to go. I think here's what's interesting, right, The more you dig into the wide receiver class, the more that you're like, my gosh, you can get a wide receiver at any level of the draft. Like they're guys that we haven't even talked about. We've been doing the show for a few months, Like Elijah More from O Miss like just running around or whatever, and like

there's barely been a peep set about him. Amandros st Brown from USC who is as talented as they come, maybe a natural slot receiver that we haven't talked about. And so as we begin to kind of break this out, there's so many prospects to discuss that are kind of under the radar. Then when we get to draft weekend, we're gonna hear their name called be like, oh yeah, I liked him, but I forgot to talk about him, you know, like those kinds of things, And that's what

I think we're kind of missing. But the combine his debt would enable us to have some of these conversations about guys that we just haven't got to because we tend to focus on kind of the brand names, the big guys, which and to go off that, I mean, any any position where there's a bunch of guys that I like. I mean, we already talked about Farley in Certan.

I think that's the most obvious one because I think, I mean, that's a true that's a true coin flip as far as who could be the pick at number ten? But how about you know, how about the conversation that you have about a linebacker like you know, if if Jeremiah Usu Coromoa could go to the combine and just run a badass forty time, what would that do for

his draft stock? You know, would would we be more willing to talk about him as a candidate at number ten if he really put forth to speed and measurables to maybe play safety or at least be more of a hybrid player. How about you know, to take it to safety. I'm thinking of Jeff Kavanaugh's guy, or Darius Washington, the TCU safety. Jeff would draft him in. Jeff would drop him in the first round. I don't know that many people that, But again they would trade up to

five and go again. Well yeah, but imagine if it could be as simple, you know, you go to the combine and do a full list of workouts, you measure in. If he measures in at five ten, maybe people are a lot higher on him than they were. If he measures in at five eight and a half, maybe people ding him a little bit like that's when you're talking about you know, broad broad Us always talks about ice

cream flavors. It just helps you expand your palette where you're like, oh, I really like that guy, but he doesn't have the length for me to want to draft him in the top fifty. Um. Yeah, So it's so it's funny you talk about that, Dave so and speaking specifically, what about the pass rush, right, because there's kind of this uncertainty about all of these guys. Is it Gregory Rousseau, Quitty pay Um, so many guys that you want to talk about that you want to see that you you

what I mean? I kind of like him, but I don't know if the twitsch really translates it. Can he really get out to the quarterback? How tall is he? Does he have long arms? Is he more of a three or four guy that we want to stand up and play in space? Or oh no, this is a guy he only can have his hand in the dirt. Those things we won't necessarily get a chance to see.

As you begin to watch him back to back to back to back to back with some of their competitors at the position, it just sucks because and these guys will have protas, but it's not quite the same for me. Guys Brian and Bucky can tell you guys typically tend to do better on their home field. But I talk about this all the time, right, Like, I'm obsessed with finding value in the second round. I'm like, Okay, make the smartest pick possible at ten, but let's find some

real value in the second round. A guy that I love, Georgia's Tyson Campbell. We talk we talk about him as a guy who's got the athleticism to maybe go as high as the first round, which maybe I love the fact that he can't work out at the combine because if he can't run, maybe he slips a little bit. Maybe he doesn't have that amazing combine that bumps him up into that range. Maybe without that more complete profile. He's a guy that you could get at forty four.

So if you don't take Farley or Certain, you can still get a really quality guy like they did last year with treyvon Dis. But if he shows up an Indie and runs an amazing forty time, that's probably off the table. So I'm trying to talk myself into this maybe being a good thing that you know, your teams just have to trust the tape a little bit more than they normally would, which it's kind of scary, but if you do your job the right way, it could

also be really fun. See, I don't know if it's necessarily scary, right, I don't know if it's necessarily scary that you don't have the workouts to consider, because what happens is a lot of times you have to remember, this is the first time the coaches have really had real exposure to him, and there's nothing more that a coach loves than to take on. Hey, just give me to him. I'll get him right. Like give me the big explosive athlete, I'll fix him. I'll get him right.

He just hasn't been coached the right way. Whereas when you've studied the tape, the tape is how you play and like typically, like I'm the tape is your DNA, like what you more times than not, what you see on tape is exactly what the players going to do in the league. Like, they don't typically change a whole lot, and so it's a matter of putting them in the

right situation. So for the teams that rely on the tape to teams that just dig into the tape and ignore some of the numbers and those things, they're gonna be finding this process. Those who really love the numbers and man, the New York Giants should to do the box test and all this other stuff and everything that was about the metrics and all that. Those are the teams that would have more trouble without the workouts, because that's a huge part of their evaluation puzzle. It's always

going to be a big part of it. Now I kind of want to talk about linebackers a little bit more because I feel like more and more Dave people are starting to get on the Jeremiah Lucy core Moorea trade and I'm not against this. I mean, maybe at

ten I'm against it, but trade down. Sure, there's there's a lot of conversations here, but there's also Zaban Collins out of Tulsa who's been kind of thrown into that makes of like a mid first round pick and somebody at a linebacker spot that you could potentially go look at. I mean, there's a twitter on the twenty question that has to deal with it, but I'm gonna go ahead and kind of move it up because we're talking about some of these tags touching. I think a Lucu Corp

Moore is a better player. I've seen Collins as maybe a tack toucher whenever it comes to those two guys. But what would you guys do if there were a linebacker taken at ten instead of a secondary player or instead of maybe an offensive tackle. I would just I want to I've actually I thought about this yesterday Kyle and again investigat and educate, like maybe we aren't maybe

we aren't super high on the guy. You know, we talked earlier in the draft cycle about character concerns with Michael Parsons, but like you gotta throw, you gotta include his name, and like, of the sure, I feel like half dozen guys that we really have circled as possible at number ten, Parsons is probably the one that we've talked about the least, like we've probably just in our minds said like okay, no way, I don't think you can necessarily do that. And I think people are people

are kind of coming back around on him. So all three of those, UM, I guess your question is, what would what would the pick be or what would my reaction be if the pick was a linebacker. UM. I guess it depends on who it is. But I'm intrigued by O those who Coromoa mainly because of versatility. And that's if I'm and Parsons as well for that matter, Like if I'm drafting a linebacker in that position, I want versatility. You know, Parsons can rush the passer. Coromoa

can cover, maybe play some safety. He goes down in the slot. Um, So if you're giving me a guy that's that versatile, I'm not opposed to it at all, but I'd rather draft it. I'd rather draft one of the cornerbacks I think. I think with linebackers, and the discussion will be had about off the ball linebackers and their impact or whatever. I think now more than ever, if you take a guy on the second level high in the draft, he has to be able to impact

the game in a variety of ways. He not only has to be able to be a sideline and sideline enforcer, but he has to be able to give you something in terms of production against the pass, whether that's in coverage, whether that's as a sacker, all those things. I think we talked about Devin White right and quietly Devin White may have had nine sacks or whatever, like that's the kind of production that you're talking about. Okay, well that's

worth that's worthy of being a top five selection. The conversation with Michael Parsons, and I am guilty of it because I went on here and absolutely stained his name when we had one of the early shows. The character concerns, like when I talk when we talk about the character stuff, the character stuff is really immaturity. But then having a conversation with James Franklin or whatever, like the kid graduated in three years, which speaks to his ability to focus

and take care of business in the classroom. And then you get around the program and you know he's a really good player. And then you watch the tape and you see a freak athlete who can come downhill, who plays heavy hand, and he has a nasty disposition and you're like, well, you know, like maybe because he's been out of sight this year, it's been easy to kind

of pile on and you just don't give him. What you should in terms of give him is just do in terms of the player to think about a Woosu core Moore need to see him at a comment because you need to know how bad he is in terms of size, because Darius Leonard is a guy who arguably is one of the best linebackers in football, but for the Indianapolis Coats, by the end of the season, he's playing at two fifteen, you know, two seventeen, which is

really light, but he's really good. Well, Core Moore, how big is he and what is he going to play like? Because there's some people that say maybe he's in the low twos at the end of the year, and that makes a huge difference when you're thinking about him inside the box as opposed to side the box as a hybrid player. And so those things will have to be determined when you get a chance to see those guys

work out. And then with Collins, what is his best position because you see him play inside almost like as a traditional mic but he's better served to kind of play outside as a sam linebacker in those Let me ask you this, Bucky real quick, um, and it's kind of what I just said about Parsons. I'm definitely guilty of doing this, Like under the old regime, especially with Rod Marinelli. You just you can just cross names off the list in January, you know, you're like like, you're like, oh,

this this guy's a one technique. Yeah, I don't even need to watch his table. No, I'm and I get that with Zavin Collins, where I'm like, this guy is clearly a hell of a player, but he is a big guy. I mean he's six three, two sixty, you know, two hundred and sixty pounds. That does not look like the type of linebacker that dan Quinn would draft. To me, do you think I'm wrong about that? No? I think I think you're right about that. He reminds me a lot of the ye that came out of Vanderbilt a

couple of years ago, Zach Cunning him. Remember Zach Kunning him Big from Vanderbilt Big. I don't say he was a lumberer, but he was kind of like a throwback nineteen seventies linebacker, right, big, heavy handed or whatever. Zavian Collins kind of strikes me as that when you think about this defense and what dan Quinn has traditionally done, first in Seattle, then when you see what they were

able to do in Atlanta. He wants fast guys, vision and break guys, and the size wasn't as big of a fact that it was more speed, instincts, reactions, How quick can they get to the ball? Can they create disruption? So I don't think you're wrong when you say I don't know if Xavier and Collins is a fit for how they want to play, because in my mind, Zavian Collins is going to run around like Jalen Smith. And I don't know if Jalen Smith is a fifth in

the defense in terms of the speed or whatever. And I know he is as critical as anybody else of his game, but from a critical over year, I just don't know sideline the sideline if he's that kind of player. And so it remains to be seen what this looks like when DQ gets his hands on his defense. Well, now Zavian Collins is completely tanked in every mind of everything. It's over. It's done. If Zamon Collins is picked to ten, there's gonna be riots in the streets in Arlington and

Frisco and Dallas all over the place. Goodness, gracious, I love it, Bucky. I mean, you're not wrong, You're exactly what. You're exactly right in saying that that's why you need the specific type of player. And I know player over scheme BPA. He could talk all about all of those things, but at the same time, there is a fine line that you have to walk, and if Zavin Collins doesn't fit what dan Quinn wants to do defensively, then most likely he's not going to end up being the pick.

And so I don't know if necessarily he could be there. Now. Michael Parsons could be that pick, and you could also throw Jeremiah us Core more at least in the conversation, but Zaven Collins just doesn't look like that type of player, being the six four and fifty pound linebacker in which he should be measured to be whenever we get to Tulsa Pro Day. But we're gonna step aside. When we come back. We're gonna do some Twitter on the twenty. We already answered one from our guy Jake because of

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get him on here in a couple of moments. But sign now to get into another edition of some Twitter on the twenty on the twenty sounder in the back, of course, brought to you by Chris Beam. So let's go into some Twitter on the twenty And this one is from Matt Thomas, and he's actually asked a Dak Prescott question, and I know we're all just rary to go to talk about Dak Prescott a little bit more on these Dallas Cowboys dot Com podcasts, because that's exactly

what we want to do with our day. But Matt Thomas does ask. He said, last year, dak Or's agent wanted a four year deal. If this year they want a three year deal and you sign him, could Dallas still consider a quarterback at pick number ten if Lance's lance is there first year of the deal for Dak is back from injury. So basically his question is is the opposite thinking of what normally you would think is if there's no deal, draft a quarterback. And we've talked

about that on this show. He's saying, even if there is a deal, do you still think about taking the quarterback at ten day? Absolutely not. If I mean, if if Dak is under contract for multiple years, then you know, with all due respect to the Green Bay Packers, they are a very well run organization. I just think that's a terrible idea. And yeah, maybe maybe the Packers don't win the NFC Championship if they draft a receiver in the first round, maybe they don't draft a receiver at all.

Maybe they draft a defender who helps their defense play that much better. And get Tom Brady off the field. Like, if you have a quarterback who is at the top, you know, at the top of his position, doesn't have to be the best. But if he's in the top handful, which I think Dak is, then you got to use a pick like that to make the rest of your roster better. Like I mean, and I like like I said,

I mean, quarterbacks are always valuable. If you were to draft trade Lands at number ten, he's a great insurance policy. Maybe he helps you in the future, maybe you can trade him down the line, like the Patriots thing with Jimmy Garoppolo. I get it. But if the goal is to make the NFC Championship and beyond for the first time in thirty years, a guy who's not supposed to play ain't helping you do that. So the only way I'm considering a quarterback is if they can't get Dak signed.

That's just me. Okay. So here's the thing. I'll play devil's advocate on this, because we talk about the quarterback position being the most important position football, yet we don't want to commit big time resources. So let's just imagine that we did have an even better quarterback behind Dak Prescott when he got injured, instead of doing the revolving door with Ben Jannucci and Gilbert and then Andy Dalton, say you had a young, dynamic playmaker that was there.

You do wonder how many other wins would have been in the hopper for that. But to your point, David, it doesn't make sense for the Cowboys to do that. I just want to throw that out there. It doesn't really make sense for them to do the quarterback thing unless Dak is not signed to a long term deal. And I think it's gonna be interesting because man, I used to be decided like, oh, they'll get it done.

Now I'm fifty to fifty because when you think about the money and what could take place, and the two franchise tags and the forty four percent increase on next year's tag if they tag him, I just think this has to be a situation where you look at it and if he is not signed to the tag early, if he doesn't do a long term deal by the beginning of April, I think you have to put the quarterback in play because you just don't know if he's going to be in the mix for years to come.

And when you look at the teams that are going deep in the playoffs, they're teams with guys that are pretty much playing on rickie deals, Like the quarterback is on a rookie deal because you can build out the rest of the team. And so I just wonder if that's the role that we're heading when it comes to that position, how you which? And nobody, I say this every time, nobody loves that more than me. I want that to be the future of this franchise. But I'm

with you. You. I mean, if you can't get this done, then you've got to find a way to take advantage of being in this position in the draft. And what terrifies me, what absolutely terrifies me, is if they don't get a deal done with Dak and then they draft Caleb Farley. Who I love Caleb Farley. He's probably if Dak is under contract, he's probably the guy that I would want them to draft the most. But then imagine

they draft Caleb Farley. We get to July, a deal doesn't get done, and now you have a pretty good quarterback pairing and no quarterback and you have no idea where you're going to be drafting next year. Um, yeah, nightmare. Absolute nightmare, and I hope we can avoid it. Please, Cowboys do something. That's the crossroads that we're talking about it. I talked about that yesterday. I'm talking Cowboys. I know, Bucky, you've talked about it on the NFL network, Dave on

the break. I mean, we've all had these conversations throughout. We don't talk about it a ton on this show because we want to talk about prospects. But that's the decision you've got to make. You have to find out if Dak is your future or not, plain and simple, figure it out. Don't take an extra quarterback if you don't have to. If he's not your future, fine, yes, take your quarterback and we'll go from there and see

what happens. I don't know if at ten you're gonna be able to get a trade lance you may have to settle for mac Jones. Body's okay, well who mac Jones? Mac Jones? Well, okay, is that a Is that a positive or a negative? There? Not for me? Not for me. I'll pass on this. I'll pass on I'll say this. That's why I said settle. We don't have to go too far down this rabbit hole. But if they if they don't sign Dac and they try to pick a quarterback, they need to trade up from ten. They need to

Oh they won't. They won't get a guy. They won't get it. They gotta use they gotta use the compis and and what and a future one whatever they got to do. You know, this is a terrible example because Carson Wentz just got traded out of Philly, but Philly traded up from sixteen to two to get him. You know, you're probably you're not getting Trevor Lawrence. But if you got to trade up to four to get justin Fields or whatever the hell you gotta do, you gotta do it.

If you're not going to sign Dac, which that goes back to me, like you're not. You're not fixing this problem without spending significant resources anyway, So you might as well just sign the guy that's already here. How do you want to spend how do you want to spend the capitol? Do you want to spend it in cash when it comes to Dak Prescott, do you want to spend it in draft capital? Either way, you have to make sure that a number one position in football is

taken care of. And so you just have to pick. How do you want to do it? Pay me now, pay me to it. Number one position in sports, and that's exactly why we are talking about it here on the Trap Show. Let's go into Chef Block two O two's question on Twitter. He said, which one of these space Eaters would be the best Day three pick for the Cowboys since Dallas doesn't have a true one technique Tyler Shelvin to Darryl Slayton or Quentin Bohanna and we

can throw different names in there as well. Ultimately looking at defensive tackles on Day two, late Day two, day three potentially for the Cowboys to fill that one technique slot. Man, that's tough because you're talking about like a one technique spot, like I want to say, you can get a space Eater anywhere. I'm still trying to figure out, like how DQ likes his defensive tackles because when you look at him right, Grady Jared was a pass rushing phenale, but

he's an undersized guy. He's not necessarily your classic defensive tackle in terms of the way that he's built. I don't know. I mean, like it's kind of tough because you'd ask him for Day three, who knows. I think a guy who's going to no, no, I think a guy who is going to fall, who's going to be in the conversation. And he's a guy who was highly

acclaimed coming out, like Marvin Wilson. Is going to be an interesting conversation to have because when you look at him, depending on which year of tape you look at, you see a guy who can dominate. You see a guy with heavy hands, you see a guy with athleticism. This year he didn't have the same level of athleticism because he was dealing with the injury. When you watch Met

the Senior Bowl, he's just he's okay. But there are some that believe that you can dust off those things and you can put him in a position that may help him. He may not have been playing at his best at Florida State. I'll just throw in and I agree with everything you just said. But but I mean, yeah, Grady Jared obviously became this great player, but I believe he was a fifth round pick. So yeah, I mean,

you can definitely find these guys. And oh my god, Tyler Sheldon is just a comically large man, Like geez, good lord, you know every we made a big deal about We made a big deal about Dantari Poe because of how big he was, and we're not used to having that type of DT around here. Tyler Shelvin might be bigger than Dontari Poe at least at this point in his career. Yeah, I definitely, I think Day three is the right conversation to have because I know, you know,

I know it's a new decordinator. I get that, But I don't see this front office spending a huge pick on a two down player. You know, I know they drafted Gallimore last year, but you know he's a guy that they feel good about his ability to rush the passer. Tyler Shelvin strikes me as more of like a two down player, which you know, I just I can't imagine the Cowboys drafting a two down player with a top

one hundred pick. And I do you know, we got to see how free agency plays out as well, and that they choose to address be a free agency because you think about it, you just drafted Gallimore, you felt pretty good about what Tristan Hill showed before he got hurt last year. So that's that's two lofty draft picks that they used in the last two years that I'm not saying you can count on it, but you at least feel good about what they might be able to

give you. So I won't be surprised if they have if they fill that out with free agents rather than try to draft it, honestly, And I think the interesting thing if you go back and look at DQ's history with who he's played with inside, they haven't been like

big guys. So you talk about Shelvin, but Brandon Meban was kind of a squatty body, fire hydrant plugger at Seattle, and then you think about Grady Jared, and then he also had Rashad Hageman, who didn't necessarily work out for him and the Falcons, but he was their big three techniques. So if you ask me, I still don't know exactly what DQ likes at that position because it's been a little bit of a hodgepodge in terms of the players that have played. I do still believe that there's a

spot and a role for Tristan Hill. That's as some standpoint, and I don't know. I think I don't know how much deal commit to a free agent defensive tackle. And I also don't know if if they're going to commit like a top pick to another guy. When you talked about a second and a third round pick being used on defensive tackle in the most recent past, and I think that's kind of why Day three in the question.

Now that's yeah, yeah, perfect spot because early Day three and you have so many of those picks in the top one hundred, that's fine, you can spend that elsewhere maybe right so out right outside of that top one hundred top two hundred picks, that's extra sweet spot because you're not necessarily looking for someone to replace Nevil Gallimore. You want Nevill Gallimore to be a starter next year.

You want Tristan Hill to take that next step as a second round pick in sure, but you also have a safety net back behind him that's not maybe Antoine Woods or Tymeround Crawford. You have some of those extra bodies back there. I'm interested to hear what you guys think about Alan McNeil out of state, and I know

this is probably not a Day three pick. I think he's somebody that will go in the second or third round, and I like him a lot in terms of the size, the way that he moves at three hundred and twenty pounds. It doesn't look like he moves at three twenty. He moves really well. And he's a sideline the sideline type of guy if you need him in the run game. And he's good at kind of chasing down guys in

the flat or at least on film. But Bucky, what do you think about what McNeil brings to the table and where does he rank among your defensive tackles at the moment? Well, look, leave neil like you're talking about six to two hundred and ninety seven pounds coming out of the North Carolina State. Here's what I'll say about in North Carolina State when it comes to their ability to produce, they have produce a ton of defensive linemen

that have played successfully in the National Football League. For whatever reason, they got a secret saucet there. I don't really understand it, but yeah, it's something in the water there. Look, I think what you're talking about is you're talking about a junkyard dog on the inside, and what you need is someone that can stack and control the point, which is able to do someone who can make plays in that type box area. He's certainly of interest. And when

you're talking about in day three. What you're looking for is what are one or two redeeming qualities that they present that will enable them to be successful in the league. And so look, man, he's tough, he's physical, he has some quickness and some hand strength like that's enough to be there. And then if you put him in the rotation, and depending upon how DQ wants to utilize this scheme,

there's no reason why he wouldn't be able to be successful. Dave, if you gotten to watch any and McNeil yet not extensively, but again, I mean again and what so yeah, not a not a day three prospect, which I just yeah, I'm all in favor. You know, Dane Brugler has said it the whole time. I've done this as straits. That's what you're looking at when you get in the back,

and I'm at least encouraged. What you know, we don't know the compics as of yet, but the Cowboys are probably going to have as many as ten draft picks, and people, I mean people get all excited, and rightfully, so, you get all excited that you can use those to move around if you want to. You can also just take a hell of a lot of fun throws of the dark. If you've got that many picks, because the vast majority of them are gonna be on day three. You know, if they have ten, then that means they

would probably pick six times on Day three. And with that in mind, take your pick of the space eater that you feel the best about starting in the fourth round, and get up. I like it. How about it? Like a Bobby Brown out of Texas A and m or to Daryl Slayton out of Florida. There's a couple of guys there that you could potentially have. I think there's a couple of names there that the Ffic Cowboys could

look at. Hey, maybe a senior Bowl guy, maybe like a Cabra Sample out of Tulane the really won, But I think he's a solid player and could be right in the middle of that mix. But there's definitely a chance at defensive tackle. And I think it would lie right around that third round, or not third round, but past the third round into Day three, potentially four of the Cowboys. Let's go ahead and take our second break.

When we come back, we're gonna talk a little bit more about the tax, touching on a couple of those wide receivers. I even want to get Bucky's opinion on some of these running backs. Maybe not for the Cowboys, but we need to talk about the tailback position as well. We'll be right back here on the Dallas Cowboys dot

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six calories three point two cars for twelve ounces. Is the Dennis Cowboys dot Com Draft Show final segment here at the Draft Show presented by Miller Light here on this Tuesday, be sure to join the next group of guys. Got j C mister Jeff Kavanaugh, Gregory Rousseau Hayter, which we're going to talk about here in a second as well, because I want to get Bucky Brooks's opinion on that. And we've got Dave Brugler and Kevin Katie Turner ten

am Central Time on Thursday. But we've got Bucky Brooks, David Helmet, I'm Kyle Gamis with Rustbeam back at the s WBC Mortgage studios, and we did get to talk a little bit about the defensive line and defensive tackle. But before we go into wide receivers and running backs for us, put second here, Bucky, I want to get your opinion on Gregory Rousseau edge rusher out of Miami.

We've heard extensively on this program that Jeff Gavanall does not like him, and at some point I'm gonna get you guys on the same show and we're gonna have a battle of words about Gregory Rousseau, because I know you're pretty high on the guy. Well, I just think when you look at the trace and you look at what traditional plays in the league, like, he checks off a lot of boxes his production, it sees those that

are in the same category with them. Where you look at Quitti, pay Ojalari, all those guys, they don't have the level of reduction that Gregor Rousseau had in one year at Miami. And so when I look at Rousseau, he's long, he does a really good job of using his hands. He is not the most explosive in terms of first step quickness, but he finishes and as you watch him progress over that season that he played, he

got better and better and better. And then when you talk to him, he is a guy who can articulate a pass fresh plan and he is someone who has picked up some tips along the way. He and so we didn't get a chance to see him, so we have no idea what he would have looked like. But based on the flashes, I think the flashes to lead you to believe that he can be a player. They grows into being, if not a dominant player, but a very disruptive presence off the ends. I'm terrified of what

do you think about I'm terrified of both of the Miamians. Honestly, I'm terrified of Rousseau and Jalen Phillips. Jalen Phillip just I didn't I don't see it with him in terms of like having the explosiveness and the power, at least not right now. And then Rousseau, I'll like, I feel hypocritical saying this because I'm like, yeah, like you see flashes and he's got he's got the measurables, and he's got this, and he's got that, But like he took the year off. It kind of reminds me of like

the art. You know when whenever you see a Shack barrit or DeMarcus Lawrence do this in the NFL, You're like, is this worth a multi year contract or do we need to tag him and see it again? Like I would love to have seen another year of this to prove that Gregory Russo can actually do this. And then at the same time, my guy Caleb Farley, I'm just like, oh, yeah, he's fine, he can do it. Like I've watched enough

of him yet yeah, Caleb Farley's fine. Like, I don't know why I feel fine about one guy and not fine about the other, But I just didn't see the consistency that I would have preferred to from Rousseau. That makes me feel like I would want to draft him in the top ten. Okay, so then let's talk about the other past rush she's done in the class, like Quitty Pay, Like, why are we excited about Quitty Pay when Quitty Pay doesn't get the quarterback? You're excited about

him either or whatever that's worth? Right, Okay, So then right, so then why would we be excited about Ojilari when Ojilari is a one trick pony. He does the same move all the time, and he also doesn't have a tremendous amount of production. The one thing that translates in the National Football League. Guys who sacked the quarterback in college, they sacked the quarterback in the pros. Like guys they

get guys to the ground. And I think sometimes when we're studying pas ro shoes, we confuse activity for achievement, meaning guys comes off. We see all the moves, we see him flash, they do all this, but we never see him take anybody down. And I think we just have to be careful of falling in love with those guys because those guys that are active and fast or whatever, but if they don't have a sustained history of getting the quarterback down, they're not gonna get him down in

the pros like it typically doesn't change now. It's funny, uh the yeah, And we talk about all the time, like the weight that these postseason games can play, because you know, Ojilari just goes and wallops Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl or a backup against a backup. Well, so you're like, you're like, oh my god, I gotta I think he was, like he was the first player I watched, like after the conclusion of the season because of that game, and I was like, all right, I gotta watch more

of this guy. I watched him play Florida. I watched him play three or four SEC games, and I was like, oh, I don't know, like I'm not I'm not high this guy anymore. And then but then at the same time, Christian Barmore just kicks everybody's ass in the playoff and you go back and watch him and I'm like, oh, oh, yeah, I like this guy. A lot. So again, it's one thing that it's one thing to kick ass in one game, but if you go watch a handful of games and you don't see it the same way, that that wig

is heavily for me for sure. Yeah, here's the thing about Jalen Phillips that I would tell you to look at. So Jalen Phillips doesn't have like the pop that we look at. Like, so when we talk about pop, we talk about FIRSTEP quickness, burst, can you turn speed into power? But if you look at him, watch how he utilizes his hands and how he sequences his moves, like his ability, his ability to attack one and then to immediately get a feeling go to a countermove like that's kind of

like next level stuff. I won't put these guys in the same thing, but if you go back, like I would say, go back and look at the bosses and how they got their sack production versus Chase Young. When you see them, they're more technical and refine. They are kind of like missing me Yaggi in terms of wax on wax off to get by as opposed to a I'm a superhero, I jump tall buildings in a single

bound and I just run past you. Those guys that have great hand skills, they kind of sneak up on you, and you look up at the end of the year, like, man, how does this guy have like nine or ten sacks? How does this guy? Now, they may not be the number one pass rusher, but they may be the compliment on the back side. And so when we think about like for the Cowboys in particular, d Laws, the number one Randy Gregory would be the number two or whoever's

on the back side is the number two guy. So what you need from that number two guy is to be able to consistently just get garbage sacks. I need you too. When d Law forces the quarterback to run out the other side, I need you to be there

to collect them. I don't necessarily need you to be able to win on your own all the time, but if you can win a handful of times, because d Laws the guy that's gonna get us to double digits, collectively, we can put together a great pass rush because we have a one A and then we have a guy that is a solid number two on the backside. So it depends on what you need. I think when you

look at edge Rusher, especially in this draft. I mean there's multiple guys that, like we said earlier, you may knock a little bit just for not being able to play this year. And you could even say that about other positions as well. Dave, you mentioned Caleb Farley you're fine with. I'm sure that's probably the same at wide receiver with Jamar Chase. Nobody's really worried about Jamar Chase

after taking a year off. But why is it like guys like a Gregory Rousseau, like a Micah Parsons are noted for having that year off and not having that extra year of time because we're scared about it in certain scenarios. And I'm sure front offices feel the same way, but we're not scared about it and I and it's it's a weird thing to articulate at the same time, Like I probably feel better about Caleb Farley because I didn't see him play, you know, like people are people.

People are looking for excuses to ding Patrick's hand because he gets he gets grabby. Sometimes he's given up. You know, he played fifteen games against the top competition in the country.

You know, he played the SEC. Then he played you know, he played two playoff games against the best teams in the country and so and he had a good season, Like his tape is, it's good, but if you watch enough of it, you're like, oh, he kind of got victimized here, you like, going back to last year, Jamar Chase, everybody on LSU beat up on Alabama Secondary last year. So it's almost like the more information you have, the

easier it is to come up with excuses. Whereas Caleb Farley, You're like, oh, yeah, he looked dominant for most of the

the last year. I feel fine about him. It's funny that you say there, right, because I kind of feel like some of this has taken place, and I know we want to talk about quarterbacks, but I feel like that conversation with Justin Fields and Zach Wilson and Trey Lance and all that, Like sometimes when we see guys play on a bigger stage, longer a tendency the poke holes in their game as opposed to the Johnny cumb Lady, the guy that we didn't know. And I'm gonna jame

Joe Burr. I'm gonna blame Joe Burrow for a lot of this, right because because we were we had such different views on Joe Burrow from his junior season to his senior season that we're scared and that that leaves scars. And so now what you do is what you overcorrect. So now you're like, no, no, no no, no, I know it's one year production, but I know he can do it.

He can do it over and over again. And so in taking it back to what you're talking about with Caleb Farley and Patrick Curtain, but we've seen Patrick Curtan more, we have more tape on him. So of course, the more games you played, the more succeptible you are to being victimized. Whereas Caleb Farley has kind of been in the bubbles, safe and protected and we still don't know.

And it's one of those things. I have a rule like at some point you gotta put the pin down when it comes to evaluate it, like because study study long, study wrong. The more you study, you can over analyze and you can just talk yourself into sease scenario. So at some point you have to set a deadline. Look, this is my great this is what I believe in it, and I'm rolling. I'm not I'm not going to change because there are no new games that are gonna hit the Film Center. I like it, And I mean you

could say that about any of the positions. You can say that defensively, offensively. The whole draft is like that. And that's what I think is fun about the draft, first off, And it's even more fun this year. Hey, let's throw all the ring. I don't think it's fun

at all. I'm frustrated its own because normally, normally by late by the time we get back that's I'm pissed that I'm not an indie right now, because normally, by the time we get back from Indie, I get like, it's fun to watch these guys, like just as as a as a draft fan, it's fun to watch this. But ultimately, the goal is to figure out who the Cowboys picks are gonna be. At least that's my goal, and it's I don't have as good of an idea as I normally would, and it upsets me none, no,

And it's crazy even getting back to this point. And I didn't mention this earlier when we were talking about the combine, but the combine was really kind of the last couple moments last year before the whole process was flipped on its head and the whole world changed, and we haven't necessarily recovered from that and gotten back to normal yet. Of course, I mean everybody knows that, but it was right up until that point, and then right

after the combine it seemed like everything shut down. So it's just crazy to me that we're already back at this point and we're having to deal with some of the stuff that we had to deal with throughout twenty twenty. Now we've got about one hundred and fifty seconds worth of running back talk. Go Bucky, who's your favorite running

back prospect? Because we haven't talked tailbacks at all, And I know there's a couple of North Carolina tatar heels up in the mix as some of my favorite running backs. But I watched a little bit of tailback this week and just kind of got my feet wet with it. But I know you've had to look at it pretty in depth. Now. I think a conversation between Niger Harris

and Travis Etienne is going to be interesting. One. I know people have long assumed that Travis NTM was going to be the number one, but when I look at nt N, I see more of a one cut runner, a guy who is look he's explosive. His zero to sixty is everything that you look for at the running back position. I don't think he's necessarily a natural pass catcher. When I watch him stylistically, he reminds me a little

bit of Jamal Charles. He can get down, but I think he's not necessarily a creative runner in terms of being able. If it's not blocked, he's gonna get skipped and scooted and do all those other things. And Naja Harris, Naja Harris is a I mean a big body running back who has little guys skills. He can catch it out the backfield, he can run legitimate routes. He has a smoothness to his game that is surprising because he

also has some pop and some other stuff. But I think the thing that is on the streets that's coming out there are a lot of people that have a lot of love for Jamata Williams coming out of North Carolina. He has explosive, he has big time juice. He catched the ball out the backfield. He can drop his shoulder though things. I wouldn't be surprised if look me. He may be the first guy to hear his name call.

And I think Desk wont to surprise a lot of people, but I think in scouting circles there's some people that have a lot of love for him and what he brings. This is where I differ from everybody else, and I won't apologize for it. Again. I'm looking for Cowboy draft picks. So how much time have I spent on running back? Almost none? None, almost none? Because zero zero, I mean a little more than zero, but not a whole lot more zero. I mean Zeke's here. I don't think Zeke's

going anywhere. Tony's here for the foreseeable future. And you even had Rico down Woll show some stuff as an undrafted free agent last year. I would be very surprised if the Cowboys spent big time resources. I don't need to talk about Nagie Harris. I mean, actually, Bucky's conversation just reminded me. I know it's dangerous to compare guys

just because they went to the same school. It's hard for me to like, it's not hard for me to imagine and that Nashie Harris if he doesn't go, if he's not the first running back, well neither was Derrick Henry and we all see how that's playing out. Um, a guy that I love a lot. Just you know, I'm a big SEC guy. I've watched a lot of SEC football. Kylin Hill Awesome club. Ya. Um, you know he's not a home run guy. But he's shifty, he's

a bowling ball, he's powerful, he's got underrated receiving ability. Um, if you told me I could get him, if you told me I could get him in the third round, I mean I wouldn't love that for the Cowboys again, because I don't think they need it. But I think he's a hell of an underrated player. But again, I mean, Cuba Hubbard's a guy that I've loved watching his entire

college career. He is a home like that guy. Maybe, Oh sorry, go ahead, Oh, I mean it's it's obviously it's kind of a bummer because it would it would be it would be fun to talk about this if I thought there was a legitimate possibility that Cowboys would draft one. But even if they do, I just I don't think it would like third round at the absolute earliest,

but probably more like a day three insurance policy. I've got guys like Tray Sermon and Puca Williams and I'm not completely done with my running back rankings at the moment, but they're sixteen and seventeen in a running back position, and I think both of those guys are ballers, and so I mean, you look all the way down the list. You can pick up an undrafted free agent again at the running back position, and he's probably gonna find a way to make the roster, like we saw Rico doubt

will do last year out of South Carolina. So there's a potential for that, and there's a potential for anything in this draft. That's kind of the theme of today is there's potential for madness whenever it comes to the twenty twenty one draft. I want to thank Chris Beam in the back as always running things from the s WBC Mortgage Studios, for David Hellman, for Bucky Brooks and Kyle Yellman's catch us again next Tuesday, ten am Central time,

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