Draft Show: New Landscape?

I'm Dave Hellman. I'm joined only by Brian brought Us. Kyle will be back Thursday. I believe Jeff Kavanaugh will not be finishing out the draft cycle with us. He is pursuing other job opportunities. Is that fair to Absolutely? There's sometimes where you know that things that in this business, things don't always match up, and if you go somewhere in a part of another team's program, then you can't be with you know, with maybe a team that you

were currently working with. So it happens, you know, it happens. It's it's not I mean, I just want to say one thing. I've really eight years I worked with Jeff, you know on doing stuff with you know, bringing him up, whether it was at him and Kevin Turner at Valley Ranch, whether it was at the Star. You know, those guys did a hell of a job of learning about the Draft and a lot of nights kick my ass about making me think about these players in a different way.

And I appreciate that. I do. You know, the one thing that I've learned, Dave, and you've been with me a long time here too, the Draft show is the same, the same, you know, the the the the intensity that we do this is always going to be the same. It's just the cast of characters kind of change along the way. And that's kind of only above the Draft. The drafts on a big stage and the cast of

characters kind of change every year. So love those guys, Love what everybody the contributions to the ed K Hills than the Bucky Brooks and and you know everybody who's ever worked on this show, Jeff Katie, you know, it just it's it's about the show. It's about the program. It's about the investigation and the education. And that's that's something that's always going to be consistent about us. I think here that's very very well said I just want

to throw in. Yeah. I mean, when somebody leaves the show, especially two weeks before the draft, I think it prompts speculation. I'm not going to get into Jeff's professional business. He's pretty open about it. I'm sure he will have something

to say about it soon. Sure. This is a lot more about non competes and some of the realities of corporate America than I know when when something like this happens, Brian, when you when you left Dallas Cowboys dot com, people were convinced that that you pissed off the wrong member or the Jones family, the truth is usually a lot

more boring than that. I promise you there's there's no bad blood here with Jeff, and that's you know, I think that if I pissed off the Jones is that Derek Eagleton and Nick Eatman and the Jones family would have not asked me back to do the draft show exactly. So, you know, I mean, we all take opportunities, we all go on and do things that we think are better

for us career wise and whatever. I mean, it's you know, you can't you can't sit there and say, oh, well, I blame this guy and boy, they're screwing this guy and that and the other. There's certain protocols we follow, you know, and there's certain things. I mean, I think everybody was really willing and able to carry this thing through, and we still are. The commitment is there. We're not

going anywhere. Yeah, and you know what's the something that we haven't had in the past is Dallas Cowboys dot Com and you know, one five three, the fan have not worked the first night together in a while, and now we are, you know, so that to me is very very exciting. With Sean Shariff, yourself, Bobby Bell, Kyle, you know what I mean. There's still plenty of talk about those three days with the draft and try and put this thing into perspective like we've done for ten

plus years. Yeah, which I don't wanna, you know, you don't wanna oversell an under deliver. So we're gonna try to keep some of those tricks up our sleeves. We got it. Don't worry about that. Our draft coverage will be just as robust as always. We appreciate y'all sticking with us, but yeah, no, no bad blood with Jeffrey. We will Yeah, we will be seeing and talking to him before too long, if I had to guess. So with that out of the way, there was another huge

development that happened over the weekend. And I'm not laughing because it is a very serious matter. It's just a lot can happen from Thursday to Tuesday. I guess is the lesson you always learn in this industry. Kelvin Joseph. Yeah, I literally I wrote on Twitter like on Thursday morning that something crazy would have to happen for the Cowboys to need to reassess their cornerbacks will. I mean, I think I'm catching a lot of flak for that. I'm

not a superstitious guy, but the timing was eerie. I'm sure anybody listening to this has heard. Kelvin Joseph was a person of interest and murder investigation. He spoke to the Dallas Police Department over the weekend about a shooting that happened last month in the Lower Greenville neighborhood of Dallas. Some arrests were made in their hometown area. Dude, it literally happened like a mile from my house. Is kind of eerie. So some arrests were made following that conversation,

and now we are just kind of sitting here. He has not been arrested, He has not been charged with a crime, probably practicing behind us as we speak at the offseason program. As far as I am aware, I don't know. I mean, we can. There's a few conversations to be had here. What do you make of it? And where do we go from here in regard to

the draft since this is the Draft show. Yeah, A couple of things you need to think about here is that we're the Red Flax and we talked about Kelvin last year at this time, we were talking about you and I were blessed to go to the great University at LSU, and you know, we know people there that are able to kind of fill us in on maybe some of the holes we might have in in the coverage. And you know, there were people that were there that were very adamant about Listen. Sky is a good kid.

But you know, he's not always in trouble, but trouble is always within arm's length, and that's something I think we talked about. No, if you're if you're a team that was interested in Kelvin Joseph, you do your due diligence. You know, remember what they did with Lyle Collins, Larry Wansley, the director of securities in Baton Rouge Boots on ground, they like to say, and you know, trying to figure out what's going on with their same thing with Kelvin Joseph.

You know, whether it's you know, whether it's the legal team here, the you know, the the security team, they're they're doing their due diligence to kind of figure everything out. And they were obviously comfortable with the situation with Kelvin Joseph. So now you have to go back and you have to look at your situation and say, Okay, did we was it the process right? You know, was the information with the sources? Were the people that were asking the question,

what were the reports? You know, did we rely on a coach too much? You know, Mike McCarthy, Will McClay and Dan Quinn we're all in Lexington, Kentucky for the workout, so they know they had a chance visit with the kids, you know, talk to him, let him, you know, hey, put a name with a face. I'm dan Quinn. I'm going to be your defensive coordinator if we draft you.

So there was a lot of legwork that was done here and you know, the Cowboys made the determination that he was second round worthy with a very small sample size of games. If you think about what he did in Baton Rouge played eighteen college games. That's what I'm saying something like that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you're in a situation right now where you know that's a very very that's a very very small evaluation right now. So you had to be obviously comfortable with the player

to make the pick. Now, does that keep them from looking at a corner? Now, let's remember last year at this time what was going on, and really we didn't know the magic of Dan Quinn and what he can do with defense, sir. They were looking at a cornerback at the at their first round pick, and it just both of them went right ahead of them. And then it was okay, now we have to reset where the stack is, look at the stack and say, okay, Michael Parsons.

Can we get Michael Parsons here on a little bit of a drop back and then and and get a pick. They made that determination. So last year at this time, they were looking dead in the eyes at some cornerbacks and we were talking about it a bunch, So are they totally are things? Have things changed over the over the last year with the cornerback situation, That's what I'm

curious about. And I mean, look, this is this is a strange situation because usually usually something more has happened, you know, like as it's it's Tuesday morning, I am not under any I have no reason to believe that he's going to be released in the immediate future. The fact that he's out there even practicing, I think tells you a lot. Right Um, Obviously, the league's the NFL's disciplinary protocol is impossible to predict. They can do whatever

they want whenever they want. But I think you I kind of go forward with the idea that maybe he's going to be here for at least the time being until the league gets involved. That's that is the the idea that I have as of right now. Well then, and you're also in a situation too where this time next year you're looking at not likely not having Brown

or Lewis here. So do you want And and also the situation with Joseph, you know the fact that they didn't ask him to take a leave of absence, you know, to maybe I mean immediately he was talking with Dallas Police Department and the next day he's in is part of a workout program. Ye. Now, the Cowboys are really really, really busy with their draft process right now, with building the boards and stuff like that. So did somebody along the way or is it one of these things that

like time will heal this. You know, I kind of want to believe the fact that he's practicing right now. They believe that they're just going to keep their heads down and build their boards and let Kelvin Joseph practice with the teams and figure out, you know, what they want to do later on when it comes to drafting a corner which it's a tragic situation. I don't want to make light of that, but that but that is immediately where people's minds go. Is the cornerback depth chart

Trayvon Digs named all pro. I mean, I think it's fair to say he's the centerpiece of your group. Anthony Brown has one year remaining on his deal Jordan, and you're one hundred percent right. They could absolutely move on from Jordan next year. But he does have two years remaining on his contract, sure, so he could be here in you know, that's three if they want. That's you know, and that's me spoking on that misspeaking on that first for his sake, because to me, like I said, they

were committed to drafting corner last year. Hi, I mean, so has that changed? That's where I think you have to lord and Anthony Brown played a hell of a lot better than a lot of people, That's what I'm saying. And that's and that's the magic of Dan Quinn right now. That's the magic of of Curse and Lewis and Brown and you know, and him playing Micah Parsons as a rush end. You know, that's the magic that when you

have a coach. See when we're gonna go through this draft, and we've talked about this a bunch, whether it's a wide receiver you know, gets picked here, everybody's like, well, yeah, they need a wide receiver. But are you are you thinking, like, well, Kellen Moore, Mike McCarthy, Doug Nussmer, They're going to figure things out and get these guys involved. We're still kind of waiting. Ceedee Lamb has been a good player for you, But maybe my expectations were Ceede Lamb was too much.

I see you, I see you trying to veer off the road, and I'm not going to let you do it because I want to ask you this. I want to know specifically, let's Kelvin, Joseph is over here. Is it's weird ambiguous zone? He's here. But we'll just assume you can count on that. You have Digs, You have the other two starters at least for another year or so. And then you have Nishan Wright, who is just a big old question mark. Yeah, he was mainly a special teams player. You don't know what you have in him

as far as Cornerback goes. So with those four guys, McDuffie, Gordon Booth, if you're asking me, I'm at okay that Trent McDuffie, you're not gonna have it unless you yeah, and lind Booth, Yeah, unless you move up. I mean now if you get to six. This is this is the discussion you need to have with yourselves real okay, real quick before we do, I just want to know those four guys are here and you don't know about Kelvin. What what is your opinion of the Cornerback situation? How

dire of a S show is it for you? Right? Like I said, that's last year. At this time we were screaming for right were NFL players sons to play? But it doesn't feel that drastic to me right now? It does or am I crazy? No, it doesn't. And that's what I'm saying. That's the magic of dan Quinn. I gave you the names. If you want to get to six, if all of a sudden, Caroline is not going to hold you up on a huge price to go.

Let me tell you what giants at five, if they flip flop and take a tackle before they take a sauce Gardner, you could very well be looking at the best corner in the draft, maybe one of the best players in the draft at number six. Now Cowboy fans are freaking out right now, because but you would give yourself two options potentially one of the tackles, cross or kneel, and then you give yourself potentially the chance of draft

and Gardner if you want. Now, if you trade in the middle of the draft, maybe you have a chance to draft Stingley. But that's what I'm saying. I don't think you get killed. I mean Gardner comes into play with me. If you go to six, that's where that's where he comes into play for me. But if the but if the but if the Giant suit. We've all done shows with the Giants dot Com. We've done these shows. Corner and tackle, corner, tackle, corner, tackle, what combination? Tackle? First,

corner second? You know, that's that's the thought you have to because they're thinking that Caroline ain't taking a corner. Okay, but do you think that corner is a big enough need that and you're surely up next one? I would consider it. I would consider it if I got to six, Okay, because again, so I mean cross my view, cross Neil or then or then Gardner, you're giving up you're giving up twenty four next year's one and probably something else.

I mean maybe you know. Peter King and Monday Morning Quarterback yesterday on his on his on the stuff, he does you know for NBC is talking about the price of going up is not as steep. Bobby Belt, who's an insider for us on one oh five three the Fan last week was talking to teams and saying, hey, the price of going up is not that drastic. There's so many teams with multiple picks in the first round

of them they're willing to move the second one. They want to they want to take advantage of the second one. So maybe the price of going up, I'm not asking to move a jump to six. You get Carolina that's desperate. Carolina has given up a lot of second day picks to get quarterbacks that haven't played. So two ones for Sauce Gardner just that's all they want is next year's one. Well what if you could give them, What if you give them fifty six in one of those fives? You

think that's enough? That I said, But that seem like enough. That's what I'm saying, though, teams are willing to maybe part ways with that second pick. It's it's you're right and to wrap your hands around it and say, wow, you're gonna get worked on that if you go up there. It might be that teams are like, no, we're gonna make a pick and we're we'll willing to listen to

you on something else. I I want to believe that because we've seen a little bit of the pattern for some of these Well, Maury Cooper, you know, people aren't willing to pay now they paid for they paid for somebody, Well, they paid well, they paid for Adams and Hill. Okay, but again, two of the best, two of the best receivers in the in the draft. Now people are looking at that as a situation where they're like, well, you know,

we're gonna have to go get the best. But in a draft where there's so much chaos as far as who the best players are, you might be willing to jump back and go back in the second or third or fourth round and grab guys instead of making a pick at six or seven or one of those spots. All right, Which nothing makes you happier than trying to give away picks for a player. It's your favorite thought. I know what I am. I'm trying to, at least in the first round. I am trying to eliminate any issues.

Dallas has proven in the first round they have a handle on this. It's round two that all of a sudden things go. Just ship off the two and get Sauce Gardner and they don't have to worry. A Is DeMarcus Lawrence the best two that they've had here in recent history? Yeah? Yeah, I mean they've tried. They've tried it with a guard, They've tried it with a linebacker. I mean DeMarcus Lawrence is the only great second rounder that they've drafted in the last decade. All like they've

had a few decent picks. But yeah, I mean they had a second round grade on McGovern if you if you look, I mean that that mean, but they picked him in the third. I want you to, okay, but I want you to put on your Dallas Cowboys hat. I want you to think like them and not like you. Yeah, no, you've heard me. Do you think that it Do you think that the Kelvin Joseph News will change their approach

with that position? I don't either know why, because I think Kelvin Joseph is going to be here a I kind of leaned that way too, and be again, for all the reasons I just listed out, I just I think you can survive this season without spending a big pick at that unless unless they do what they did when we were doing the draft show way back in

a day with with Mo claiborne. Unless they've got something in mind that they're going to try and jump this thing all the way to six, you know, and then and go get the who they think the best player. Sauce Garner might be the best player on their board. What if I told you they you know, what if I told you or Cross could look like Tyrn Smith to them, a young Tyrant Smith. Yeah, that's more appealing

to me, honestly. I mean and and fans and fans and fans would think that fans would fans would be totally happy if they went in and draft, because fans now are conditioned that you're gonnaly have Tyron Smith for thirteen games a year. Their conditioned. And there and then and maybe there's the thought of moving on from Tyron Smith after next year you plugged Crossing at right tackle, you know, then then you know, uh, the golden child, Steel becomes the swing tackle. You know, you kind of

take care of that. And then when Tyron gets hurt, you move across to left tackle, you put Steel at right tackle, and you go play. And that might be your team in twenty twenty three. What if I tell you that six is too rich? But and again, if the trade market's not as robust as what we're used to, Yeah, your third round pick can get get you up to like sixteen where you have a shot at Derek Stingley. Well there you go. Does that do anything for you? Yeah?

I like Stingley. I do. He's my sixth best player of my top one hundred and fifty that I've got so far. And it's not an LSU bias this guy. Legitimately, if if if he was more of an alpha, I think more people there were questions about him as a player. Did he really love football? You know? When he plays, he's just as good as Sauce Gardner out there playing. Sauce Gardner is just an app an alpha male that that doesn't you know, doesn't need somebody to hold his

hand along the way. At times. There's a couple alpha's in the secondary room here. I think, sure, I think we can handle. That's what I'm saying when you get when you you know. The thing about why I would be not afraid to draft Stingley is because I know that Diggs would. I know Diggs would take care of him. Great, wonderful point. Before we go to break, I do want to mention that, um, somebody just point out to us Treyvon Diggs was a second round pick as well, So yeah,

there you go, there you go. That was, Yeah, that's relatively recent. You're right because I keep thinking of him milliona first because they were talking about him at seventeen. Yeah, yeah, pick fifty one. I believe that sixty. Actually, I think it is what it was. Was it sixty? I think he was picked. These drafts all kind of run together, but the last two, especially the COVID drafts, just kind of blend together. For me, they don't stand out. He

was picked fifty one. I might have forgotten he was a second round pick, but I can still remember the number. Yeah, I got fifty one. I don't think it's going to change the overall narrative all that much. And to your point, last time we heard Kelvin is out there working out, So we'll keep an eye on that. In the meantime, we're gonna take a quick break. We got plenty of questions from y'all coming up in the second segment. Stick with us. This is Chad Hennings, former Cowboy and proud

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you mightn't need in an extension. You gotta be real late before they started telling you you're going to jail, though, Like take it, I know from experience, unfortunately, So it's so funny that and I'm so glad the listener brought that because you think about I was just thinking about digs and you're right, the COVID drafts and stuff like all blends together. They blends together, and you're thinking, like, man, that guy was a second round pick because I remember

we talked about him as an option at seventeen. That's why it's okay, seventeen okay, and the iron And I'm not calling anybody out because I felt the same way. Yeah, universally, the way everybody felt about Treyvon was like, like him not at seventeen, don't do it at seventeen. But if you new two years ago that he'd be in all pro, that's amazing how you just forget things that happened because I'm just thinking of like, like, but I remember, but

there's more. They've had more problems at two than they I mean, sure, that's been. That's been. So Will took over in fourteen. DeMarcus Lawrence Randy, who was good but barely played relative to how long he should be still should still be here if his agent doesn't pull the rug out. I mean that's fair. But even still, like I think by his seventh year in the league, I think he played like fifty games or something like that. Then you got Jalen Cheeto was was a solid pick,

not a home run. Uh. I would say the same thing about Connor Williams. And then Tristan Hill. Yeah, not anything to get super excited about. And then you find and then you get Treyvon and we'll see what happened better. Yeah, hit and miss. Anyway, you know what time it is,

it's the second segment. That's when we answer y'all's questions otherwise known as Twitter on the t Since we were doing this in the first segment, I'll just keep it going with a question from Brian, Brian with an eye not a why he wants to know about trading up to the jets tenth overall pick and going back to your point, maybe the trade market's a little less robust. Do you think you would have to do a one next year's one to do that? And also who would you do it for? See we have Steven Jones on

today on one oh five three the Fan. Matter of fact, he's being interviewed I think at eleven o'clock here so I don't know in time for us to get off the air. Yeah. So, and I asked, asked one of the questions. I sit and ask one of the guys if they would ask him the question about has he starting to hear what Bobby Belt, Peter King and others are about about trading up? Is the price to go up? Or is it just are there a bunch of those teams that are starting to call and say, hey, listen,

we'll be willing to back out. Maybe you haven't talked parameters, but I just keep an eye. I don't you know if Steven would tell me in this interview today that hey, yeah, this this price of going up might not be as steep as everybody thinks. And I kind of feel like that Bobby and both Peter are talking to enough people around the league that they're getting you know, I've got my what might call my gang of seven that I

haven't been able to visit with yet about that. So you know, maybe on Thursday we'll have a little bit better understanding. But if the Jets, okay, if you're going for ten, what are we going to do there? What's our plan? Is our plant Stingley? Is our plan? Cross is our plan the linebacker Voyd. I mean, that's that's kind of where you know, I'm kind of thinking if Sauce Gardner hangs around, I'm interested. Yeah, but I if I'm doing that, I really I want to do it

for a tackle and you got it. Actually, I'll fold this in just real quick because Bernie. Bernie wants to know why we don't talk more about Ikey Aquano, and I think the and he's talking about in a trade, I think the answer is just because I expect him to be a top five pick. Yeah, I kind of feel like on a lot of people boards he might be the number one guy I know when I know doing talk with it again, the giant stuff they were looking at. The real right tackle to me is the

kid from Alabama. That's Neil. That's the one that's the real guy. Aquanu. I think you play left or right. I think cross is probably a better left than a right. But I mean I love him for the possibility of having him. I think you could train him both. But to me, Aquanu is like there's there's going to be a lot of teams that when this is all said and done, he is going to be their their top tackle.

On the board, and that's probably why you don't talk to him, because there's so many teams really ahead of you that could use those offensive tackles. I think the Jags are overthinking it if they, like, I don't. Aidan Hutchinson and Trevan Walker are both great players, Cavon Thibodeau as well, But I think I think there's so much uncertainty with those guys, and I'm not confident any like I don't see, I don't I don't get the impression or at least I'm not confident that those guys are

gonna be Miles Garris. See that's the thing. And when you think about that, like give me I yeah, I know that they do. I know they'd signed Cam Robinson said it's franchise tag. I don't care protect Trevor Lawrence. See that's to me. When you're when you know, when you're Trent Baukie, who the general manager in Jacksonville, you're now making moves with like one foot in the parking lot. You know you're you're not gonna get another you know

you're you're as Brian Broadest favorite idiot. You know what. I'm a fan of Hutchinson. I really am. It's a good player. I think he's a good player too, I really do. And you know what, he's probably the one guy at the first overall pick you want the least amount of holes in you know, you don't want a guy that has a bunch of holes in him that you're like, oh well, I can't when that is. The line on Hutchinson is that he's got a really high floor, right, yeah,

but what do you think his ceiling is? Like? Do you see him as a perennial all? See? I mean, I was watching guys like It's funny because when I watch guys like Sailor and that, you know, the Georgia tack cool and stuff, and I'm trying to get a gauge. I'm watching these guys playing and that guys are having some success and I'm talking about a third round tackle to move to guard. Maybe I should have Sailor in

the second round. If you if you're blocking Hutchinson and guys like that Walker getting blocked them, I mean, maybe I'm with you. To me, taking the offensive tackle there makes the most sense because I kind of feel like that when you draft a tackle, they play ten twelve, thirteen years. I just think about the couch a cornerstone player. They put a sticker on your locker plate every time you go to a Pro Bowl. Tyron Smith's has just

covered in them, like you can't even see the wood anymore. Yeah, and I just feel more confident that Aquanu is going to have like ten Pro Bowl stickers than those than those Threshers. Sure. Going back to the Jets thing, also, I think it's worth noting when you talk about these teams, the Jets have a ton of big picks. Yeah, they picked twice in the top ten. They also picked twice in the thirty they got They got Seattle's pick too,

That's what's helping him, right. Seattle's pick is at ten and thirty five is the other pick at thirty five and thirty eight, thirty eight again at sixty nine. There you go, which is really nice for them. Yeah, So I just wonder if they care about adding ammunition. No, they care about Again, there's another general manager that's got one foot in the parking lot. You know, he's hiring coaches. He's he's he's that Jets. Yeah didn't Joe Douglas, did you?

Just he's like done a decent job. So far. Well, the thing about it is depends on what. Yeah, Woody Johnson. Woody Johnson, the owner was over in Europe being an ambassador right for like for a little time, and now he's back in the building. I think Joe Douglas is kind of I think the jury's really kind of out

on him right now. This. I mean, there's you know, if this, if this, if the Wilson pick doesn't work at quarterback, sure, you know, if you all of a sudden he starts where he didn't like he could play next year, you know, all of a sudden that now you're like, well, that dude in Arizona is the only person in the world who can overcome messing up a top ten quarterback pick and keep your sure job. Sure, and that's the quickest way. Well, the guy in Chicago got fired. He got to do it twice. He did

chev has one. When speaking of the Jags, I mean a lot of people. So I didn't answer the Jets question because I don't know what the price of poker is. Well, I thought, I thought you gave some scenarios. I think I think I'd like to know. I'd like to know Steven Jones, though I'd like to know if he thinks, because people that I trust in respect are talking about the price of pokers not that much. If that's the case, you know, and you want to make a run at

the Jets, go for it. But if you but if it turns into where we think it normally is to go up to get into that spot, then I don't think I'm necessarily interested in doing that. CHEV had one about a lot of people have asked about our old friend Calevan Jason. Yeah, not off to a robust start. I talked to people in Jacksonville if you were to if you were willing to part part, if they were,

they're willing to listen. I was told, I think you could get him for one of those fifths, not expect I don't think that's I don't think that's been asked on the Cowboys. But I specifically asked two people in the Jacksonville organization about him, and both of them said, we will listen to any offers that teams make. Well, let's all right. He's played in thirty one of thirty two possible games. He's made eleven starts, fifty career tackles,

six tackles for lost, two sacks, Yeah. My problem is, I mean, you go back to that year, we caught a lot of flak about Calavon because he went to LSU, right it usually do with these players. In reality, we were just hunting the Cowboys needs and if you go back, we had plenty of concerns. And again I haven't watched him play a whole lot, but it just looking at his stat line, it looks like he's living up to those concerns, which is is he kind of a one

trick pony? Can he stay on the field for three downs? Is he big enough and run support? The Cowboys stack did them a favor, the fact that they stacked their board in the way and then but CD appearing the way he was, I think that worked doubt fine with Fowler and Basham and Armstrong and obviously Mica like would you even would you even want him? I mean that sounds mean, but yeah, well, I mean I think that maybe to me, I would want him because I trust

Dan Quinn. That's a wonderful point, you know. That's why I have hope for Fowler, because we're still thinking about the coaching staff as like an asset that can make this time this time last year, we were not given Curse a chance in hell. And now it's like, well, you wouldn't draft a safety, would you. We got Curse, we got Hooker. Come on, we ain't drafted the safety where this time last year, we're like, my god, they need a safety. Got a draft a safety. But I mean,

my hope is that Fowler. My hope that Fowler is he finds something again with dan Quinn. I'm not married to Fowler. I'm hopeful that I give I give dan Quinn all the credit for making players better than they are. Dan Quinn deserves the benefit of the doubt he does. And Dante Fowler was a top five pick, Like, I'm absolutely uptimistic. Now he might have been wrong about this corner because he had his head his fingerprints on that

one too. Yeah, I we'll see what happens there. I know we've answered this question already, but it's an interesting one, and people keep bringing up we are a show of the people. Steve. Steve wants a CD scenario. Steve wants to know the guy that you would laugh at the mock draft that sent you to send him to Dallas.

But if he was there, you have to draft him. Well, that's a really good question, because I think it would be the draft where you got I think the mock draft where you got Stingley would be the one that kind of makes me. He just he just keeps coming up as he's the best player that seems to have

the most reason why he would fall. You know, I think I think I would I would laugh at you if I think said I think that I think Wilson from Ohio State to watch ses Garrett Wilson would be another one that I would kind of laugh at you that maybe that scenario. Um, it's so funny because when we first started this journey, Walker from Georgia was a guy that we were just I mean, it was just every every mock draft I ever saw was Walker, Walker, Walker,

Walker Walker. Now you don't even see that anymore. If somebody puts Walker there, you kind of like, yeah, okay, I mean when we first were doing this, yeah, absolutely, you know. And then there's the you know, there's the highlights right there with with Walker as you see a really good football player. I have two thoughts, and these The first one, he ain't fallen to twenty four. That is, it's simply impossible. But going back to our previous conversation.

How far about Hamilton, Well, you can mention him. I actually wasn't. How far would Cavan Thibadeau have to fall before you started to get interested? I'll tell you what I mean, because it's pure It purely seems to be a non football thing that is pushing him down. You you you brought something up. If I went, if I got to six, I would put him in the mix. I mean, if he gets I wouldn't hate it, would put him Gardner and Cross all in the mix at six,

I wouldn't hate it. Yeah, And he's my number one player on my board, of my of the guys I've done, he's the number one guy. See, I kind of I take him back a little bit of what I said, because, like I do, if one of those edges becomes a stud, I would put my money on Thibodeau. He just has the most freakish ability of it. Does the thing about it is. And we're going to learn this with all these players that have this in nil stuff. More of

these players are going to become very brand conscious. Yeah, and all of a sudden it's like, well does he look a football and does he care about the brand? Does he care about every every year because these players, these top players are going to make millions of dollars. And so now it's about brand and you know, are we're going to keep questioning and we, like I say, you're from now, We're going to have a conversation where it's gonna be like not even like does he care

about football? It's like he cares about his brand and he cares about playing football. You have to talk about both of them. I don't have a problem with that, and the people that run this team definitely shouldn't have a problem with that. The other one I wanted to bring up is like, maybe like a Malik willis obviously not that you're going to draft a quarterback, but if the right guy falls to you at twenty four, maybe that makes your life interesting in the sense of somebody

trying to come get him. Yeah, I think so too. I mean, if you're interested in going backwards there, that would be something you absolutely have to think about. I think that, I think the quarterback situation Caroline at six and then and I'm probably gonna forget somebody, but I'm thinking, I'm thinking that Pittsburgh has done so much due diligence on a quarterback at twenty likely there's gonna be one gone right in front of you there from four picks.

All right. I love this question from Andy. I love forward thinking, outside the box questions. He says, based on the parameters and the thresholds that we know about, like what the Cowboys like in players, are there any guys that stand out to you that we should be talking more about. And two, I'll just throw these two out there if you tell if you think I'm crazy, tell me Arnold Avid Katie, the Penn State edge rusher, mainly just because he's like the second longest pass rusher in

the class, sure behind Thibadeau. And then another guy that I've heard the Cowboys like is Michael Clemens out of A and M. He's not a big time prospect, but I just feel like maybe he fits their their mold a little bit. Yeah, I kind of feel like it maybe that we I'm always leary to talk about these safeties because it's something that they really don't cut it all that much. Sure, but man, you have to give those guys their due. I think that we're not I don't.

I think we're not talking about potentially McDuffie, the Washington Corner. Yeah, I think it's a guy. He doesn't have the ideal length and all that stuff like that, But man, that is I mean we're only talking. I mean, we say Gardner Stanley, but McDuffie at twenty four, I mean, you

know that's a guy. I mean, if I was picking and I'm thinking, wow, okay, well let's where do you where do you have him in relation to say some of the some of the other guys on your board, you know, and you know, do you do you have anybody? And I'm you know, I'm looking at I'm looking at mcduffey right now. He's my fifteenth best player on my board. But behind him, I have like Dax Hill, the safety from Michigan, Karloftus from Purdue, the Kobe Dean, Chris o'lave.

You know, those are the guys that I have behind him, you know. So I'm kind of like, you know that I'm in that mode right now where there's some pretty good players behind him. But I don't think we're talking about him for really at twenty four McDuffie. Yeah, with him being the fifteenth best player on my board and you got him at twenty four, I think you got a steal right there. I really do. That's an interesting point because the reason I don't think him out McDuffie

is the length. I mean, you'll see the type of DBS Quinn was trying to get last year. He just doesn't fit that, and so it's easy to just kind of write him off. But maybe that's a case where the tape is so good. Yeah, if he's the best guy there, it's like we can live with that. And yeah, dan Quinn obviously wasn't here, but they did that with Jordan Lewis. Like Jordan Lewis does not match what they look for right at all? Right, they just took the

best player on their boards. What they did real quick, quickly, Brian. Yeah, brevity is the soul of wit. Questions from Reid and Mike. Reid wants to know about Danny Gray, the SMU receiver, and Mike wants to know about Donovan West the Arizona State Good Center. Okay, I'm not as high on West, but I will say this about I will say this

about you said Gray, right, Danny Gray I did. That's big time explosive the summer again, reading off my notes here, you know he'll make place all over the field, the screens, the drags, the ver balls. He's super productive when it comes to finishing plays, and I think he brings down the ball and clutch situations. I think you you know when you watch him play, I mean especially in off coverage. I mean, he can close the cushion faster than those guys can even react. So I mean the tracking skills

and all that. We're watching the highlights right now and as you could see that, you know, tracking the ball, getting the feet down. Those are the kinds of things I mean, there are there are just multiple ways of getting him the football, and there's multiple ways of him making some super plays for you now west the center, I think there's gonna be some other guys that I'm at center wise that I'm kind of a little bit

more in love with. I think he was a little banged up during the season, so he missed several games. He's a straight legged blocker for me, but he kind of holds his man in place, you know. I like his upper body power the stream. You don't see him getting rocked back or anything, but he plays a little up right, and you know that seems to you know, to bother him some but I kind of like the athlete, the foot athlete, and something like that. Size helps him.

You know, he's a three two hundred ninety six pound guy, but you know, he usually doesn't appear to be playing very fast. He's not a lazy kid, but there's not a really a lot of sense of urgency to his game, and so I kind of wonder about that. But I think his ability to move as his best trait for sure. Day three, Yeah, I got him in the Let me make sure I don't want to ever get these things wrong because I'm looking at my board. I should not. You know, Dane just fires these things off the top

of his head. And Dane's got a photographic member he's got he's got a photograph. I got him in the fourth round today. And Gray sorry, and Gray is in the fourth round as well. There's gonna be like, there's gonna be a guy's worth getting really excited about there at the top of day three. Yeah, it always is that that round is the round is a lot what we called the you know how I mean, Jabril Cox was sitting there, yeah, Saturday last year, so exactly, we'll

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related entertainment. For more details, visit Dallas Cowboys dot com slash draft and you and I'll be stuck in this shroom. I'm gonna say I would love to and I love every minute of it. I would love to come out and say hi to anybody that that comes up here for the draft. But we will be uh, say hello, what you're walking in? Yeah? Say hello the parking lot if you recognize Yeah, us out on the Tostitos Plaza. Come say hi, uh it really is my It's like

my favorite weekend of the year. To be honest with you. Yeah, like I used to think that you were an insane person. Brian always used to say, you know, if we didn't have to play the games, this job would be pretty great. Yeah. And the more I do it, the more I would

think the offseason is just the best. Get to talk about draft, get to go hang out in Indianapolis, and even saying elmos, you don't have like the stakes of just knowing that everyone's going to be miserable if they lose the game, or riding too high if they win the game. Yeah, if you could, if you could just say, okay, we're gonna pick our team and do free agency and then put it on paper and determine who's the best team, I would take that as a mythical. You know, the

hand me the trophy. Yeah, we were the best. See the Rams would in that case would have well, the Rams adding all their players would have been probably something that we would have been really really you know high on. Yeah, they could have had the trophy. Last, they could have had the trap. Don't Don't get me wrong, the Cowboys are not going to win a trophy for the way that they're doing an offseason right now. But the but the drafting part of it, they've gotten down pretty good

that they have. Yeah, which, hey, I mentioned Jabril Cox. It's easy to forget like you. I think I forgot that. Diggs was right, Yeah, I think your your interest naturally, it's only natural to kind of fall off as you go down the draft. Yeah, but it's so it's easy to forget, like the guys that we've gotten really excited about, like the Jabril Coxes of the Xavier Woods. That's the

funny thing about it. And when I was when I was working in the draft room last time was two thousand and five, and I never wanted to leave the room because I always felt like I was going to miss something, you know, I felt like I was going to miss a trade. I was, and people in the draft room kind of come and go, you know, they just kind of like mosey yea with a sandwich. They munch on it for a few minute, then they leave. And but I always, I just never ever ever wanted

to leave that room, not until it was over. I mean until they said, okay, mister irrelevant. Here it is. I didn't want to leave that room and because there's so much the twist and turns, and I wanted to experience everything about it. You know that, Because that is I mean your promiti, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do a segment today before I know, we gotta get some questions and stuff like that. So I'm gonna do a

segment today on one oh five three the Fan. I got my draft notes from the Tom Brady Draft in two thousand outstanding, and you know, just the kind of I was downsizing my life a little bit and I was pulling stuff, moving it around, and I went and I found my Tom Brady draft notes and stuff like that. And so I'm gonna do a segment about that today.

And just all the quarterbacks we talked about, I think, forget it's not about like, it's not about getting taken advantage of in the trademarket or any of the teams don't want you to know all their grades on this stiff Yeah, because when you have to grade every single player in the draft, yeah, you're gonna look stupid. At least a few times. You will stoop are absolutely going through. Okay,

my dream in life, I'm willing this into existence. We're gonna talk about somebody the Cowboys draft on day three and one of these tell me more segments. Okay, let's just get into it. I think we can go a little faster than usual because it's just you and me. Sure, Snoop Connor. Snoop Connor running back out of all miss. Yeah. You know what's interesting about Snoop Connor, I think is he's really kind of a straight ahead power runner. He doesn't have much wiggle or the ability to make the

first guy miss. You know, he's the type that just kind of gets you what you can. I mean, he's not going to create much in the running game. He's steady, he's productive. He's good in the red zone due to his power. I mean you could see him. He's a hoss. Yeah, he's a tough guy. When it comes at five ten, two twenty two pounds, you can see right there, just a little slight cut and then boom, just run through the tackler like that. But that that time you see

right there is accurate. I mean that's a four or five nine guy right there. And again, very steady, very much. Keep the pads down and run through people. You know, uh, you know, he's he's really kind of a backup guy at at at an old miss, and I think that's what he's going to be at at in the in the NFL. Kind of a backup guy that's a home run not a home runner, but a really really good player. Does he fit your idea of what this team needs

behind Zeke? And tell yeah, it's funny because I didn't see him do much pass blocking, but he caught a swing pass against Alabama, like when it was behind him and is able to adjust. So at least one of the ideas that you see about him is he can catch the football, you know, and made a difficult catch right there. You know, you could see, you know in that game that that whole open up nice he was able to get through it, and you know, that's what

he can do. He can finish. But I especially like him in these, like these situations right on the goal line where he could just kind of power through guys. Where do you have him? I have him? He always ask me these questions, and I have to go back to my either board and see where I have Stoop. I have Stoop from the fifth I have him behind Haskins, who we did last week from Michigan last week. Yeah, I feel that it just this class with the running backs.

It kind of seems like there's there's a short list of guys that you would take on day two. Yeah, and then there's about fifteen guys. It's like, ah, somewhere in the fourth of the fifth, I'll tell you what. Yeah, I really the guy I really like if you want to talk about a running back is James Cook from Georgia. That's the guy Dalvin's brother. Yeah, that's the guy. I mean, I think he's got some all around traits to his game. If you have a chance to watch Georgia number four,

James Cook, you watched the Tennessee game. You look at Beamer pulling up some stats. I mean, look at him. We didn't even tell Chris we were going to talk about, Yeah, this is this is the kind of stuff. This is what you're gonna get coverage was because Beams on this all the time. But yeah, you know this is you know, the handing the ball. Look at this right here. Though they're gonna they're gonna just take it, He's gonna press and make a little slight cut Boom Secondary score in

South Carolina. He does that a lot. I mean the ball kind of starts sideways and then all of a sudden, he's going forward through that hole. It's not a coincidence that I wanted to take a look at a couple of cornerbacks today just in case Tarik Castro Fields out of Penn State tell me more. Yeah. I think with Castro Fields, this is this is a guy that you know when Penn State has got some of these guys where you're you're kind of like, man, is this guy

good enough? I mean he flashes, he can line up at either cornerback spot, and I think he's got excellent time speed. I mean you look at that that four three eight. There's times when you see him really use that and he could drive on the ball when he really sees it. He's had seasons where he's had more pass breakups than he did in twenty twenty one, So that shows me he can be around the ball. There's some bounce to his game when you watch him move.

I mean he can come forward. He does a nice job of avoiding blocks when he has a chance to make the play. He's got the body, control, the foot, quickness to pedal, he can collect, he can go. There's some makeup speed. I mean yeah, when they when you try and run past this guy, he is going to find a way to run you down, just like he did that poor holder who dropped a snap in that game.

So willing, physical downhill player. As far as the support goes, I don't know if he consistently trust his eyes all the time and what he sees. But I'll tell you what though, the ball skills and stuff like that I think are pretty good. Dan Quinn was in state college this spring one with alt castro Field. Damn near thirty one in arms too right short of that, so go works for me. Guy that was at the Star at some point in the last month talking about later round

center prospects. How about Dawson Deaton, the center out of Texas Tech. Well, I'll tell you what, man. You know, when you gave me this guy to watch, I was kind of like, you know, under my breath, I'm like, come on, Dave. And then I watched. Then I watched him play, and I was right, well, you know, I haven't watched him now. He's six six, he's three oh six.

He's a tall, thin guy. On tape there. Doesn't have much former bulk to his game, but he's super athletic and the way he moves around, he's he's an excellent position blocker. He like he manages to keep his body in the way, keeps himself between the ball and the defender, and he's kind a way of a knack for tying

up defenders. And you know, you could watch him in the Oklahoma game, you know with their inside people that that we that we kind of like there and he gets stalemates and you know, I mean he's gonna do a good job as a pass protector. I didn't see him get driven back. I mean for a kind of a guy that lacks a little bulk, but those numbers are legit right there. I mean, he is a three hundred and nine pound guy that in that time you could tell of the athletic ability to kind of move

around the way he does. I meant he was here, I passed by him a few weeks ago. How do you look thin He is a cender block of a man. Yeah, he is a big boy. Yeah, you mentioned the Oklahoma game. Yeah, how do you do against Winfrey? I think he did a pretty good job That's what I'm saying, Like he's

reaching those wide techniques. I think he's better when he didn't have a guy directly on his nose because he kind of gets he gets it's not compressed, but he gets that stalemate and then he's able to work his feet to where it's like, Okay, I know the ball's coming off my right cheek, so I gotta turn in order to protect that guy from crossing my face right cheek. Yeah, I mean, you're right, but I just love that phrasing of it. Yeah. Look, I'll just I just I don't

pick these names completely arbitrarily. We'll just throw that out there, we'll see what happens. How about Jalen Watson, the corner out of Washington State. Yeah, this is this is an interesting cat because to me, I don't know, I really don't know what the thing. I think this guy is like super competitive and I think he plays with a chip on his shoulder, so I kind of like that about him. He played both corner spots for the Cougars there, and he's a long, rangy guy. In six two one

ninety seven. The majority of his snaps say play is an off coverage and you'll see him like back pedal then bail, you know that Susan snap bail, and that's that's that kind of that zone. But he will adjust from there. He's got some strength for the position and he uses that physicality like when he gets up. You watch the Senior Bowl cut ups and stuff like that

of this kid when he's playing more press. He's up on his guy and he's long enough and he's able to kind of turn and stay with and get in position to maintain that that integrity of the coverage right there. But I'll tell you what, man, I mean, he is a he does a great job of finding the football. He'll he'll throw himself in there. As far as the run support stuff like that. I will say this though, Man, he's got some wild, crazy technique tackling. I mean he

really really does. And so you might you might make the play, and you might not make the play, but he will come flying forward and try and make the play again every bit of six two and one ninety seven pounds. He wears number zero. By the way, at Washington States. He can watch him play. You're trying to think, okay, is that a misprint? You know, you're thinking you have to look it up. But no, it's a new age. He's actually wearing number zero. That sounds vaguely familiar to

the scouting report we got on Nishan. Right. Yeah, it's just like I mean, it's kind of all over the wild ass. He'll put his head, he'll put his head in there. He's not afraid. Yeah, all right, Senior Bowl guy. I remember I remember this guy making some plays in mobile, but I don't think we've talked about him a whole lot. Romeo Doubs the wide receiver out of Nevada. Yeah, and this is a guy and this was one of those and you gave me this responsibility. This is one in

the morning watching this kid play is with this dedication. Yeah, but I was. I was working on a lot of things. I say, oh, I forgot him last night or two nights, yes, tonight last night. I was watching him till about one. I went to bed a solid two hours before you. I don't know how to he looks the part of tape. I mean, this guy's six two, he's two hundred and one pounds. That all that stuff is legit about him.

I mean his height and length combinations are outstanding. As you can see he was a quarterback when he came in and then they moved him to wide receiver and he's had some games where he's absolutely just lit it up. And this quarterback there is a Strong is his name, and Carson Strong. So yeah, when you watch Strong, you're like, well, who's he throwing through this number seven? And as you can see, the ball's going down the field, the ball's

coming underneath on the screens and stuff like that. There were times where there were Strong just fired it into a spot in traffic and somehow this guy came down with the football. So you know this guy any by the way, this guy's also and I don't know if Beamer might have picked it up, but this guy is a punt returner. Oh here we go. Look at Beam. Look at Beam being just a stud here right now. Okay, here you go that that's what I'm saying. Punt this

guy averaged. This guy average like fourteen yards a punt return and which is six in the country for that. So you can see ball going down the field, going up getting it. Punt returner kind the like of a guy. It's got a lot of a lot of good traits to his game. You sound intrigued. I am kind of a fifth round type of guy. Maybe a little bit higher than that, but you know, we'll see with with

legitimately with what somebody thinks about. But the fact that he could do a couple of different things I think says a lot about his about his game and as about as potential he is. I think he's dealing with a knee issue that limited him there in the pre draft process, but he was he wasn't mobile. Yeah, I don't so I don't know if it happened there, but uh, something to watch, which for those of you, it's so funny because like I listened to podcasts. I don't know

about you. I listened in the car. But if you're listening and you're eithery're missing to missing me and Ryan freaking out about the highlight packages, you can find that on our YouTube channel, on our on the on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com app. Um, I mean, Chris Beam does a fantastic job of footing highlight packages with all these guys. So if you need a visual component and you're listening in your car or while you're walking your dog or whatever, you can find that on YouTube or

the app. Brian this was fun. Man, it was We're getting closet week away on Thursday, week away on Thursday. What you what you've got right now is like it says, we finished the thing up. You know. The scouts they're trying to they're trying to put together that board. They're trying to put together the stack. The Cowboys we talked about are a little bit different than the fact that they get all their medical inn they get all the workouts in, they get all the pro days in, everything

like that is taken care of. So now they have the way of just kind of putting their board together and working around Jerry and Stephen schedule. So probably you might start hearing some things about, hey, they like Green better than Johnson and all that. You got to figure out the smoke, you know, you gotta figure out that smoke, right. I just sort of I just sort of listen to everything and try not to jump to conclusion. Just know that the players were talking about are the same players

they're talking about. True that m Kyle will be back Thursday. Yep, we're gonna do a mock draft next week. Oh kind of walk y'all through what Thursday or the following week. I'm thinking like I'm thinking Tuesday, like draft. We always kind of traditionally did that. Yeah, so we'll have plenty more content coming y'all's way. We appreciate it. Thank you for listening to The Draft Show presented by Miller Lite.

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