Draft Show: More Pro Days & Tell Me More

forty five days for the NFL Draft. It's fast approaching, so we're gonna try and get everybody ready for that. And that's really what we've tried to do this whole time. But guys, it is getting closer to the chance where we have to uh all the work. Then that's been done, all the preparation will be uh, we'll be on display. I'm Brian brought us from Dallascowboys dot Com, as always, joined by Dane Burglar from CBS Sports, David Hellman Dallas

Cowboys dot Com, and Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. Gentlemen, today, I'm gonna set this thing up for you. I'd like to get into a little bit of draft news. We got Clemson's Pro Day rolling, we got some news of a potential cornerback in this draft, a really a quality nickel corner that could be in a little bit of draft trouble. And I also want to get into a couple of pro days as well, Washington and then also

Western Michigan, which we had guys there. We're gonna do a little Twitter on the twenty like we always do after that, and then we're gonna have a little one

of my favorite episodes. There's a lot of things we do here that I really like, but I do like the segment we have called tell Me More, where David Hellman comes up with some players and not just some of the top players, but just a random list of guys, and he asked Dane and I to tell him a little bit more and hopefully they'll give you guys a little bit more of an understanding of who all's out there,

not just the top guys. But as we roll through this draft, you know, when we go the three day journey that maybe there's some guys in the fifth, sixth, seventh round that hey, I heard about that guy in the Draft show. So that's always one of my favorite segments to do. So with that being said, maybe take some calls to later in the show eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven, make sure that

you're if you're interested in doing that. At the end of the show, hopefully we can take a minute to two and ask answer a question as well about that live on the air. Getting into the Draft News Guys pro day for Clemson, and we finally got a speed on Mike Williams and I saw on Twitter Dane Brugler that the scouts had him between four five six and four five eight. Is that about where you thought that

Mike Williams would run? I think so based on the tape, and I actually reached out to a scout who was there. He told me at a four to five five okay, But he also mentioned that they add point zero three to every time at Clemson because of the fast track fast track. So officially this team is going with the four or five eight from Mike Williams, but the four five five adding the point zero three. So and that's not uncommon Ohio State. A lot of these programs are

known for their fast tracks. Oh, how State's downhill? Yeah, exactly, Oh, how State's a downhill facility. I'm gonna interject, and I've heard you say that before fast track, like me, we're talking about we're talking about artificial fields that are inside indoor facilities, much like our Lucas Oil Stadium. So what's the difference each Each venue has something different obviously with I don't know specifically with Clemson, but you know what's underneath?

Is it concrete? Is there a cushioning? You know, I know some of some of these programs have. It's not the most updated carpet, right exactly, so track facility, right, and so the just the surface itself is different. And you know, like at Oklahoma when we were there, right, I think that I think that was fairly normal. It wasn't a fast track, wasn't a slow track. I think that was fairly normal. Right. But some of these programs just for whatever reason, And that's really why teams focus

on the combine times more so than the pro days. Now, with the pro days, if you were injured at the combine. For those that weren't invited to the combine, the pro days are valuable, especially for the positional workouts where the coaches can actually put these guys through specific workouts based on what they want to see. But when it comes to the forty yard dash and the athletic testing. That's why teams will lean combine times over the pro day.

Now for Mike Williams, we didn't have a combined time. So it's all about this forty yard dash, and I think that was expected in the four fives. You know, we know he's not a burner. If you list his top five strengths as a receiver, speed's not in there. This is not what he does best. But I think a four or five anywhere in the four five's that's solid time for him. Should we be scared what we saw last year? It is it fresh in our mind?

What we saw well with Treadwell is that it is the fact that Treadwell came into the league and wasn't productive right off the bat. Does that give us pause about taking Mike? Is he unjustly getting compared to Treadwell for the lack of speed? I mean, the tape is incredible on Williams. All you do is you all you throw on the you throw on the Alabama National Championship game and you're you're like you're locked in. You're saying,

whoa first on that game? Yeah? First round? Guy? I don't see it's it's not unfair, you know, because but I think Treadwell's issues are more mental than anything, you know, learning the playbook, understanding how to separate from press coverage. Um, I think it's more mental with him. With neither of these guys Williams are Treadwell have a great forty year at dash time, Does that mean that they're going to

have a similar trajectory in the NFL. No, But I certainly understand those who have a little bit of pause because they do seem like they win in similar ways. They're neither or fast. They're big guys who kind of you just throw it in their zip code and they find a way to come down with high catch radius and all that that was in college. Yeah, in the NFL, corners are bigger, they're faster, they press, they like the disrupt routes, and things are just a little bit different.

So I understand the concern there. I don't think you're wrong at all. Is it a little bit of recency bias? Sure, a little bit, But I certainly understand those that have a little bit of concern with what we saw from Treadwell last year. Could we see these top receivers, the guys that we have in this draft. The guys like Davis, Williams, Ross, they've all got questions. I've got questions. Could we see

a slide at the wide receiver spot. Yeah, you look at last year and we talk about these receivers possibly going top twenty, and only one went in top twenty. Now was Corey Fullman. Guys like Dockson and Treadwell Fuller, they were all in the twenties. Could that happen again this year? You can't rule it out. I think it's more likely, at least in my opinion, they go in the teens. But I don't think we see a receiver top ten. Maybe at ten and Buffalo. I think that's

like a possible destination for one of these guys. But I think it's more likely in the teens. But you're right, each one of these has questions. With Corey Davis, he's got a banged up ankle. I wasn't able to work out at Western Mission's pro day. He's hoping to work

out before the draft, but that's no guarantee. And you know with Williams, obviously his speed and Ross just had another surgery on a shoulder, So just a lot of medical questions there so absolutely, there's a lot of a lot of issues you can point to with these top receivers, and in a draft where there's a lot of a lot of talent, Yeah, the second round looks really deep, and we'll get into that, you know, talking about could a second round guy go above Davis or Williams or

Ross or one of those guys, you know, guy like god when you know, we had had a nice day at Penn State at the comment let me talk about real quick though. We we on Dallas Cowboys dot com. We had a we we have an information up on the site. We have report from from Western Michigan. Yeah, you know Corey Davis. The questions about him though, I mean, that's that's something that didn't work out yesterday. Talking to Dane a little bit pre show, he'd like to work out.

You know, when is that going to happen? They thought it was gonna be minor ankle surgery. Peers a little bit more than that. Yeah, I would say so, but it's and a lot of times these guys will have a workout closer to the draft if they're healthy. But I don't know that do we know that Davis will

be healthy enough to do that he wants to. Yeah, see, that's there's gonna there could potentially be a couple of top players in this draft, Williams and Hooker that don't have You could add ram Check in there, ram Check, yeah exactly, and you know we could have to get into ram Check a little bit later on what's going on ronson offensive tackle? Yeah exactly. There you go. He did combine stuff. But throw McKinley in there too, why not, Right, he doesn't have a chance too because his three cone

time was not getting as good as shuttled. So yeah, he doesn't have a chance to improve upon those. So that's a good point. Yeah. Um, But well and that, like you know, I'm sitting here thinking I hadn't really thought about it in depth until you said that. But I don't. I don't feel as good about any of the top receivers for various reasons as I did. And obviously, I mean I love Treadwell, that doesn't look great right now. I you know, like da, though you spoke, you don't

have to. You don't have to pat me like, no, you you spoke nicely about him. But well, my point being is there were a lot of receivers that we all felt good about in the first round last year, and this year there's something troubling about all three or four of the top guys, and the second day is stacked and that's yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Darius Stewarts godwins the Zay, Joe owns the Carlos Henderson board Cup. I mean, all these guys could be Hanson could be

a guy as well. Jordan Lewis got in a little bit of trouble. He's the cornerback from Michigan charged with domestic violence physical altercation with a with a girlfriend. On your big board, Dan, yeah, I believe he's number forty six. Yeah, top fifty, top fifty. We got that. We got that bit of news. And then later Lewis tweets out, it's sad that somebody would like to would want to control you so bad that they would ruin your life over it.

M that's intense, and like, these situations are tough because unless there's a video like Joe Mixon sit exactly or witnesses, it's a he said, she said, and there's you know, we don't know the details yet, like what Yeah, we're learning about this, but this guy is a is a top player. Oh yeah, I mean I think he'd be in play for the Cowboys at sixty. Absolutely he was there, you know, and there's a good chance he wouldn't be

there because he is a talented corner. But how does this affect you know, there's never a good time for this, you know, let's put that out there. But it's especially worse timing for him now when the Senior Bowls passed, the combine has passed, he won't have as as many face to face chances with these teams to sit down and say, you know, listen, this is what happened and kind of explain himself if he wasn't the wrong. He

wanted the chance to necessarily show the remorse and all that. Uh. The Michigan Pro Day is coming up next Friday, so he will have an opportunity there if you know he's planning right. Uh, And so well, you have to wonder how many of those are already set for teams and they have to kind of scramble and you know, if they can make an exception. Uh, It's it's tough because there's coming this late in the process. Now, this is

different than like the lyall call in situation. But it's similar in the fact that it's just it's so close to the draft, Like you said, I mean, we're almost a month out right, and so teams are scrambling to find out more information. Will they get what they need to know in time for the draft to feel comfortable taking him? Whereas Talent says he should go in the top fifty. I don't know, it's too early to say, but regardless, it's just it's a bad situation for Lewis

and could end up hurting him. One draft day, Pierce that Sidney Jones, a very talented cornerback from the University of Washington, suffered an achilles injury, and we heard him more on that. I was trying to dig some more. I haven't heard anybody really say. It looked like to me watching the tape, something to do just the way he came up, the way he left out of the way. Yeah, it wasn't so good. The Buddha bakers. Sounds like he'd had a nice work out there. John Ross, we were

talking about him. The solder surgery was done Tuesday, kind of getting some information about him. Talk about Sidney Jones, though, Dave, here's a guy that you know the Cowboys could have very well considered at twenty eight if he was there. He's in that kind of huddle of names that I'm always talking about, you know, six to eight names that you hear over and over again. He was definitely one

of them. Yeah, And in actual we've got questions about him that I want to say for Twitter on the twenty but just in general, I mean, I feel terrible for the guy. I mean, yeah, that's tragic. Really, Yeah, a guy that's done everything he needed to do over his career at the Combine to put himself in position to be a first round pick. Now he won't be. Where do you see him, Dane? Where does this take him?

I mean you, I mean, and I'm not asking for Dallas because everything s Dallas will take him in the second round. But now, I mean, you draft these guys, especially high you want him to play. This reminds me of I'm gonna mess up his name. But the the Oregon kid that Cleveland drafted, Yeah, and that was that was tough because yeah, he he heard his knee right in Bowl prep ye and he fell to the seventh round and he hasn't been able to, you know, get his career off the ground um with Sidney Jones. I

think he's a better player. Better. I don't think we're gonna see him fall that far. It just it comes down to you, hopefully and Okay, if it is the Achilles, he has the surgery soon. That way, teams have somewhat of an idea of how the surgery goes, how the beginning of the rehab goes. Before the draft. And I dropped him about sixty spots on my on my board,

so about two rounds. Yeah, I think somewhere in the third round is he becomes a third round player, Yeah, instead of a first round player becomes a third round player. It has to take a red shirt as a rookie. And you just kind of hope that he gets back to the player that you saw on tape at Washington. That's just that's that's that's tragic for him. And he was a guy, and you know, he was a guy that you had to consider, you know, you absolutely had

to consider him. And this is something that's going to come up every year. But do these guys need to be working out as much as they do before the draft. It's something that will be a hot topic among a lot of people. You know, they go to the combine, do this, they go to the Pro Day, do this? You know, then you got the teams come through and exactly teams the visit. I mean, it's there's so much, so many layers to this process. Is it too much? Especially if you're a first round guy, Do you really

need to be doing this much? I understand both sides of the argument. On one hand, these teams are going to invest millions of dollars into you. They want to know everything I want to know. But on this at this same time, there's plenty of tape out there. You know, if you're a player, do you work if you work out the combine? Do you just stand on your number exactly? And I think you saw me work out, you saw me go through. Hey, you're the ones that put together

these drills. Yes, if you saw me. If you want to see me do something else, just go watch the combine. You're comfortable with what you did the combine. I think I would not blame a player for not working out anymore at the Pro Day the top player right exactly. Now, if there's a situation where you know a guy like Hassan Reddick who's changing positions, right, maybe a team wants

to see him do a little bit different. Okay, different situation, But for a corner who at City Jones, who's played press, he's played off, he's done you know everything about him, And that's what he was standing on his combine number. Yeah, he sure was. He was just working out for team exact. His injury came when he was just doing his back pedal in a positional drill. So I would not be surprised and I wouldn't blame a player if he decides

to rest on what he did at the combine. The columns are, yeah, the hot takes are already coming that this will change the way a guy's approached this time. If these kids work out at the combine, we shouldn't ask them to work out anymore. If I was a consensus first round pick, I think that's yeah. If you're a first round pick, I would maybe I wouldn't even work out at the combine. I'd be like, you've got to three years worth of my tape, you know. Well.

I think the combine part of it, though, If the kid works out there, that's why I disagree. I think if the kid works out at the combine, and I've seen him do drills that I've seen defensive backs do for years, and you do all those things. I don't need to see a workout again. Yeah, I really don't. If I'm you know, I don't blame a kid, and hey, that's what that's the I mean, that's what the draft boards for. Right. Most of them absolutely kind of know

their range before this even gets started. Okay, before we hit the break, A couple of things, A couple of dates. You need to know. The visits for the thirty, the top thirty are going on right now. You could start. That goes until April nineteenth, so you can bring guys in if your NFL team saw today where Joe Mixon is visiting the Denver Broncos. But these are the Cowboys do not typically not typically they do them all they do.

But you can you can start now if you individually want to bring players in for your thirty visits, yeah, you can start right now, and that date goes until April nineteenth. The second thing you need to know about is the rechecks, the medical rechecks that's going to take place April thirteenth and fourteenth in Indianapolis. So anybody that had any types of issues all thirty two, will be back in Indianapolis. Doctors in hand checking on any information, surgeries,

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media platforms. I love the periscope thing. I love how that quickly gets people involved. It's one of my favorite things that we do. So another one of my favorite things we do is called Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the Twitter Man. I'll turn the show over to David Hellman. We kind of talked about this a little bit briefly, so I'll start with this from sal Sydney Jones appeared to seriously injure his achilles at Washington's protest.

So now the question is is he an option for the Cowboys at sixty because we know how much they loved you dropped him two rounds. She said, he used to be Jake Butt. Now it's Sydney. Yeah. I think that's too early for a player that's gonna take a red shirt. You know, he's not gonna play a rookie year and not gonna help you. And it's not like you like with Jalen Smith. Jalen Smith was arguably the best player in the draft last year. You know, I think that was a little different. You know, you're the

risk reward there. Sydney Jones is a nice player, but you know he was gonna go probably in the twenties. You for a reason. So in the around, yes, I consider them in the second though, I want to start in the second round. This team as much as we all went through. If you talk to people in this organization, they appreciate Jalen Smith. They don't want to go through Jalen Smith again. And I mean that's a respect. I mean this, and I mean I don't want to. They

don't want to have to. They don't want to have to sit there and watch a guy that they pick highly not be able to play this team needs players. This team needs guys to play right now. It's nice to sit there and think, hey, Jalen Smith, grab him. Doctor did the surgery. I still believe if doctor hadn't done the surgery, or or Cleveland hadn't taken their guy ahead of them, that we wouldn't have Jalen Smith here. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but just talking to folks

about it, they're like, we need players. We need guys that can play. Now, the Jake Butts, the Sidney Jones, the guys maybe McKinley, the guys that are hurt that probably won't play. They can't. They can't afford to do that anymore. I mean, they've they've got a lot of holes on and I'm talking about in the Cowboys perspective. Now, maybe another team could do it, but Dallas needs defensive help.

Twenty one people are going to walk out of this building likely, you know, on free agency, like you get you get my hints a lot, yeah, a lot. Good segue because Will wants to know Dan you talk about this often. How much does RAMSI's hip scare you? Tackle is suddenly something the Cowboys might be interested in. You know, I'll save that for the doctors. Um, I don't know about the extent of the injury, especially for a tackle.

You're a guy that's you know, naturally big boned. Yeah, you know you kind of worry about that a little bit. But if the doctor says it's okay, no long term effects, just kind of something that happened, then I'll feel better. But it is something that you kind of leave in the hands of the doctors to tell you the current prognosis and then just long term, you know, with any concerns. But I think at twenty eight, if he's there, absolutely you have to consider him. Can I throw another name?

Would you consider playing Dion Dawkins at tackle from what you saw on Temple film? I'm not talking to twenty eight. Maybe it in the second round. Yeah, I think he could do it. I think he's a much better guard, and he played left a lot of left tackle at Temples, right, I mean, you know he can do it, but I think I feel a lot more comfortable with him at inside a guard if I'm gonna go for a tackle. Taylor Moton from Western Michigan that my guy. Okay, Well,

how about Robinson? Then? Would you consider Robinson at twenty eight? No, no, I wouldn't. They're just ram Check to me is a top twenty player in this draft, and if he slips a little bit because of the hip, then that's a value pick at twenty eight. And as long as my doctors tell me you know you're good to go, all right, I'll take him there. But Robinson to me is not

a top thirty player. Let me ask you one more question then, considering what you know about the offensive tackles in this draft, and now that you understand where the Cowboys are at with the depth on defense, would you consider going offensive tackle first twenty eight if you said ram Checks, there's something like that, and then turn around at sixty and ninety and those other things and grab defense. Fair argument, you know, because you're right about the depth

of this class. With different pass rushers in the corners, you can conceivably safety two right where at tackle if you don't get your guy early, I mean, there's there's no guarantee that Taylor Moton will be there at sixty. Yeah, you kind of hope you crush your fingers, but you know tackle is not a strong group and there's only four or five I think in this draft. That'll end up being future starters, at least long term starters. So if you don't get your guy early, you might be

out of luck. Even it's sixty and be too late, you might have missed the boat knowing And I know tight ends a lot deeper than tackle, but I feel that way about both of those spots. Like if you if a Ramsick fell there, or if OJ Howard or somebody was there, just give me that guy and I'll yeah, we can fill the defense. See, I think people, I

think people would lose their minds if you drafted. But the educational part of this is it's just what he said, the depth at the position, grab the best one and then turn around and play with strength at two, three and four. The people who would lose their minds are the people who don't really pay attention to how the

draft works. Well, we hope that we're educating folks, like even I mean, for every person that listens to this show and we appreciate you, there's like a thousand more Cowboy fans who don't really tune into the draft until

like the Wednesday of Draft week. Shame on you. I mean that's just the way it is anyway, Which okay, That's a good segue for a question from Michael, which is reports coming out and you know, I don't think you draft because of an eight week injury, but reports are out that Jeff Swain broke his foot during offseason workouts this week, which will put him out till training camp. And we already talk about tight end anyway, we know this is a deep class. Like, what's your priority level

on tight end in this draft for the Cowboys? I think the only one, well, the only one I would grab early in my opinion, is Howard. That's the twenty eight. Yeah, that's the one you pass on in Joku, then yeah, I would pass on a JOKEU would pass on butt and I would, And then you know what, I could feel like that maybe third, fourth, fifth round. Maybe is there a tight end in this group? By the way, you know what I'm saying, I mean, is there a true tight end and the other than the kid from

from Ashland. I'm just just about to say, sheheen, yeah, Shin is no no, no, no, We're good with that. But I'm just saying, though, if you had to grab, you would consider grabbing the best tight end though, wouldn't you? Yeah? I would if Howard or in joke, who were there at twenty eight or you're thinking about a JOKEU at twenty eight. Oh yeah, if he's there, I'm jumping off the end Joku bandwagon. Not because I don't think he's a good player, but I like, I think I've said

this before. I don't trust the Cowboys to make that work. I just don't. That's fair. I don't, and that's not That's not the type of tight end that they want anyway. So you're you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole like they need an O. J. Howard or Shaheen, like they want Jason Witten. Not that you're gonna get a Hall of Famer, but you want that type of player. Which if Jake Butt was healthy, I'd

be all over him at twenty eight. But I'm I'm the Cowboys aren't going to use the athletic Jimmy Graham tight end the right way anyway. So I'm just so you're out on that. I'm jumping off that band. But you're okay with Howard coming in though, Yeah? Because he can do what they want him too and while still being a viable, you know option down the field. Yeah, Yeah, I think that's fair, and there are other tight ends later on they can fill that role. Jeremy Sprinkle from Arkansas,

Michael Roberts from Toledo. Guys like that who you don't have to spend, you know, early capital on a tight end in this draft, you can you can find a guy later. They can be serviceable too. Rich Daniel Jeremiah went with Ingram at twenty eight. Yeah, get out so rich right away? Really? Yeah, that was his mock to DAOs go away. That's that's just I don't need a way. He's got his arms false folded here you're thinking about that? No,

did you said? Did Joku? And I'm that was a really of incredulity, Like he's like really yeah, he's like interesting, Okay, he's trying not to throw shade. But I'm telling you that's terrible. I don't like it at all. Um, Perry, I'm this Perry knows the way to my heart. You another gift out of this Perry knows the way to my heart because this is guy is my current favorite player in the draft. Um, would you and I've been

talking about him all week? I ready would you rather have Buddha Baker at twenty eight or Desmond King at sixty the question of the day. Thanks, And I mean, obviously we talk about Desmond King is a safety all the time, so I'm putting that with that caveat. But I just think the Cowboys I got him in the same round. Second. Yeah, these questions are tough because it matters. Okay, if you're going King in a sixty, who you get it in the first round? Sure, I get that, but

just play the game with me, Dan. I like King a lot, but you never seen him play safety before, and that's the big issue there. So uh, you like you kind of? You like the physical toughness, stunt. Yeah's ball skills, the ball awareness. He is a tough son of a gun. I like him a lot, but I don't. I like Baker too. And at twenty eight, he might not be the best player on the board, but it'd

be close. And to me, I've got him right there in that in the early thirties on my board, So I mean, I think he'd be writ in that discussion as a top five player possibly at twenty eight. Um, is he the honey badger? He's in that mold where again, you have to be a little creative with him because he's trussed our team to be creative with a guy.

Not as a general rule of thumb, but like they were pretty creative with Byron when he was a rookie, that they did stuff with him, and you have to kind of be similar with this because he's not a true free safety. I think he's more of a nickel free safety where he does a little bit of both. He's not you know what, if a typical at either who's got a better chance to succeed the on tall safety or Buddha Baker being short, give me Buddha Baker right now. Like, it's not even close. It's not close

for me either. I think they're very far apart in terms of I was just thinking about. I was thinking about overly tall six four safety right as opposed to give me the an impressive looking dude who just screams at the ball on it. Give me the better football player. Yeah, that's Baker. I just like I think some teams are gonna be worried about his height. Oh yeah sure. By the way I looked this up, Earl Thomas is not six foot tall. He's just like five ten five to eleven.

This can be done. Okay, I'm in no, no. I love the player I told you I mean, but I love King though too. Byron a safe, put Byron at free safety. Give me Jeff Heath like down in the box and then let Buddha Baker just be a free ranging monster guy. There are a lot of team in well, okay,

they'll not take a safety under two hundred pounds. So Baker absolutely, I think he'll be off boards at least in the top fifty because he's uh, you know, in the mid one nineties, right, So he did, but he doesn't hit the two hundred pud threshold, right, And I think his playweight's probably closer one ninety, you know, if I bulked up a little bit for the combine. So I think he's a guy that it won't be considered for some teams on top fifty because of his size.

But you again, you have to think a little bit outside the box with him. I don't Baker or Peppers, I have. I have him close, but I have Baker like two spots ahead. It's an honest man right there. I don't think the Cowboys would draft either one at twenty eight, I think, But that's neither here nor there. But they're the same type of player though, right, I mean it's that you have to figure out something for them, right.

I think Dane's right. I think that's too rich for twenty eighth overall pick in their eyes, that's just me taking Okay, I trust you got good sources. Um where was I? Oh, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna put you all on the spot twice. Brent guy at twenty eight, who's in that range who you just don't want, like just trash somebody or mean right here, like the guy that like if he's picked at twenty seven, you're like, oh no, that's terrible. Like Bryan's always talking about what

about Gara Bowles utaw tackle, Yeah, yeah, that's my guy? No, my guy, No, no, no, you stole my guy. I said him first. Here's all right with balls, Like he's gonna be a twenty five year old rookie. He's athletic as heck, but strength questions, technique questions. I just I worry about him. You know if wait a minute, wait, where did this all come from? What are you talking about? I feel like Dane's been pretty consistent about it. I kind of felt like I was the guy when we

were watching him. I hate it because he was wearing the red leg things and he looked really skinny and thin. You might hate him more than I do, then I do, but I don't. I don't like him at twenty eight. I mean, I let me ask you this, how about Tabor Tae with Tabor? With Tabor bother you? At twenty eight? He bothers me in general just because of you didn't he didn't interview. Well, we're talking off field stuff, right, yeah, not tape, I'm guessing well, and no, just in general. Yeah,

you talk about it in the speed mid four sixes. Yeah, so he does bother me right now. He's a guy that I think we still need to figure out. But uh, at twenty eight, that's I don't. I don't hate it, So I don't bowls I would not like at twenty eight. How about Taco? That's yeah, taco because taco is not a right end. Yeah, favorite conversation unless they move, unless they plan on moving to Marcus Lawrence over to the right end and keepan Taco on the left end, you know,

I don't know, maybe that's possibility. There are worse things in the world than finding a solid left end at twenty eight, like you're not picking. He hates you when you talk about left and right and not spicking in the top ten. I'm I'm okay with and I I mean, I don't necessarily disagree because I'm okay with to Marcus Lawrence at right end because I think that's where he's Taco or McDowell from Michigan State. So you guys with issues, Uh, we're just crapping on everybody end. So it's a it's

a fair question. Malik mcdown's one of the top five players in this draft in terms of talent and talent talent talent just based on the talent, but he does always play like its Shrugan State. Last year started they started great. Yeah, once the season went downhill, he went downhill too, Yeah, And you have to worry about just maturity level things like that. You're investing a first round

pick on a guy that does worry you. But he's I think they might already have their MILIEK McDowell with Irving. You know, he's that that tall, he plays inside, plays a little outside. They might already have that guy. Can you play with two? Probably, But I don't know if this team will want to. I think that's fair for I mean for me, it's McKinley. I think I've made that pretty clear. You just don't like the injury at all. I don't want to draft a guy that won't be

on the field in training camp. I just don't. I mean, he might be awesome. He seems like he will be awesome. It's not about him as a players. Um, here's one good question, by the way. Yeah, no, I like that we're gonna tie in. We canna tie it all together right here? Yeah yeah, oh no, Kinley, no, uh. Julio wants to know, like what what's the deal with Romo and how does it tie into the draft? Like are they holding him in the hopes that they might get

something done on draft day? Because that's what it seems like to me. Dan, You okay with what they're doing th Romo right now? I guess. I mean, I I know you're not here every day with us and stuff. Look, you might for draft for draft purposes, right, Are they gonna end up trading them? I don't think so, because I don't think our teams are gonna call their bluff. But if you don't need to get rid of them, right now, then why do it? You know, just hold

onto them. And you think teams could evaluate what's going on with this quarterback class and say, you know what, it might be worth it to us to flip something to have a right to negotiate with him, but not have to turn this into they even figure that out already? Are they maybeing too here in the that last month. I'm just saying, I'm just I'm looking for and I think that that's the Cowboys hope. I think, yeah, I would argue that these for all intents and purposes, I'm

thinking Houston and Denver. I don't know where else he would go. And in that case, they're not looking at the draft for the guy that's going to be their quarterback right now anyway, because Houston likes Savage and Denver's got both of their guys. Still go to battle with Savage. See how that turns out. I'm I mean, I think they would, honestly. If not, I mean, it will be

talking about Houston ena quarterback next year. You're probably right, but for the time being, and that I guess that's what I just I'm not convinced I can't stay healthy. I'm not convinced that teams being on the clock on draft night is going to convince them to change their minds about but maybe leading up to the draft, maybe that's the Cowboys hope and that's why you don't necessarily need to release him right now. But with that said, I don't think they're gonna end up trading Tony. Romo

will be very surprised. I think. I think the writings on the wall that they're not going to and I just worry about this dragging out. I don't I don't think he needs to be here when the offseason program starts. I just think, but you also have to put that about your team that gives you until April seventeenth. Sure that's still a month away. Yeah, I mean, and that's and that's what that's right, ten days for the draft basically,

if not, why not. But I'm if nothing has been done by April tenth, I don't think it's gonna happen, and I think you just need to make a calling. I'm okay with this, get on with it. I know all you and Mickey Spagnola want to hold I'm okay with this because I'm okay with this because I you know, I'm I'm I'm trying to create opportunity. I'm trying, But at what point are you just kidding yourself? That's I never until until the final guy says, well it's not

going to work. I keep fighting, okay, I keep fighting in the draft room, thinking that someone's gonna call me and they're gonna look at their board and say, you know what, we need this guy to play quarterback. That's right, that's right. That would that would be the best possible I'll see you. My hope is that both these teams look at themselves and say, wait a minute, what is this going to cost us to get him? If he

gets to the open market. I would do it, not just to have to compete against another team, but don't you think the cost romost cost on the open market would be less than what you would get by trading for as cond he's gonna want. If it comes down to two teams battling for his services, it's gonna turn into teams going well. And how would you feel if you were if you all you had to do was flip a fourth round pick to Dallas at least to talk to him. How are you going to feel if

you're the other team. If you're Houston just swapping spots. I've talked about that for days. Nobody wants to believe me. On No, it would be amazing. I just I've did it with Denver twenty eight to twenty. I've done all this right, I've did this weeks ago. Okay, Dave, thanks, thank you very much. Thanks to everybody out there and Twitter. On the twenty when we come back, Dave Hillman's gonna play.

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do appreciate. Okay, let's get into a little tell me more if you would, David, I'm excited to be doing this for the first time this year. Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you, Ken, And actually I was really proud of myself because I'm positive we have not talked in depth about any guy on this list on this show. It's good, although we did touch on the first guy today, which kind of bumm me out. But that's okay. But tell me more about Western Michigan tackle Taylor Moten. Guys experience

a right guard at right tackle. I think you play either spot. The biggest shoulders you've ever seen. Broad shoulders helps with that wingspan. Uh, you don't see him lose a lot of reps on tape. It's not always pretty, but he doesn't lose a lot of reps. Uh, not that prototypical athletic left tackle who's gonna protect the blind side, but on the right side, or he wins a point of attack, strong hands, controls defenders. I think he can lock down the right side, be a starter for a

long time. Yeah, I see a guy for a big guy that gets the second level, makes some plays. You know, you know, you talk about a guy that you know is that big, but when you talk about second level players, give me the guy that And this is where this scheme is really is good. The cowboy scheme is you've got to get those guys to get out on the edge. We've seen Tyrn Smith, We've seen Ron Leary. We've seen these guys get out on the edge and create problems.

And I think with Mot you've got that. You've got a guy that's uh that's just how big, how physical he is. Uh you know, I I'm I'm on board with him just because again, the fact that he's played a couple of different positions, the guard, the tackle spot, I think tells a lot about the kid. You know me, I'm a bottom line guy. Where can I get him, y'all said at sixties first, if you I mean, if he's there right again with his tackle class, these guys are gonna get pushed up. And yeah, I think I

hate picking in the back of the draft. You know his workout from yesterday twenty three times with two twenty five the combine, Yeah, thirty and a half the vertical the combine, and then four or five eight in the shuttle. So those must be the combine numbers that I was pulling from our article that we have on Dallas Cowboys dot com. If you want to read about the Western Michigan Pro Day, recommend that you go there. We'll have

Clemson up today too, right we will, Yes, we will. Okay, tell me more about North Carolina State safety Josh Jones. If you squint really hard, you can see a little Jalen Ramsey with the way he was used at NC State. Okay, not the same caliber of athlete, but Josh Jones did blow up the combine with his numbers. He was a strong safety and he moved to free this past year as a junior, and he played it mostly on the boundary and he was fantastic against the run against the

past a big kid who can run. What he did the Combine think solidified himself as a borderline top fifty pick in this draft, so he might might not even be on the board at sixty for the Cowboys in the second round. When you watch this kid's tape and I did it East Carolina, Clemson, Louisville, Florida State, and Vandy, the one thing you notice is when he comes up to hit ball, cares stopping their tracks, stopping power. I mean, he just it's like he comes into hurry, he covers

some ground and he will knock you out. What measurables are we working with here? Six two, two hundred and fifteen pounds, I want to say, coming in, I didn't have like at six one and a half two twenty Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, so I gotta update my combiny ran out four four one. Yeah. I like this. This thing is I don't know how much you really want to play him in coverage, all right, but I but I but his best trade is tackling. He isn't he isn't he I mean he could cover.

I thought he covered better, though I can qualify this. I thought he covered better in the red zone than he did in the field, you know, and so sometimes a little bit of burried church. Remember what burried churches? We see? Ye telling me he's an athletic upgrade over buried church. Absolutely the same skill set. Yeah, and a very good tackler. So keep that in mind. Dane's I think, Dan, I love the size of this kid, I really really do. I can get him at sixty. I think you can

get him at sixty. I don't. I don't. I m I updated. I did my top one hundred this week. He came in at number fifty for me, it'll be close. It will be close. Heat some upsets. Tell me number fifty good, that's yeah, there you go. And I don't like that. No, that's not good. I don't like that. Tell me more about Ohio State to talk about Draft night. Noah Brown, red shirt sophomore who really should have gone back to school, but I think he looked at Mary J. T.

Barrett this offense. Am I really going to gain by coming back for another year? So he came out after his retro sophomore year. Didn't have a productive season. Uh. If you watch the Oklahoma game, you think, oh, this guy's a future first round pick. He had four touchdowns. That amazing behind the back touchdown. But besides that, Ohio about to catch at Wisconsin in the corner of the corner. Yeah, full extend controls, Yeah yeah, the full extension with that length,

I think the perfect example of what he is. And he's I'm impressed with how how well he does getting off press coverage. A physical guy, uh using that length to his advantage. He can create his own separation. Not a burner, but he's a big bodied guy who is still very raw in his development. I think he's not going to really help you in year one, but projecting him down the line three years from now, he could

be a player. And that's why he's to me in that third fourth round range, a guy that you might have to red shirt for a year, but he's a worthy investment at that point. He reminds me of Dez Bryant running routes ahead. Just throw that out there. Yeah, and I'm talking about a big body guy that runs inside routes, comes across, can extend. I like with Dane's saying about the physical side of it, because I think

that's what he is. Dez Briant is not a great route runner, but he runs a lot of those routes where it's inside using your body, the slants, the ends, the drags, you don't need yeah, everybody. Yeah, this guy's got a little physical to him. Two hundred and twenty pounds. Yeah, all right, well let me I mean, and I watched some tape of him before. I just compared him to a seventy million dollar players say, you just compared him to him, But I think Dane's got him right in

the round. I think Dane the three four, I think, yeah, well what I'm what I'm hearing? And again I'm always thinking about the Cowboys selfishly, But do they need that? Do they need another guy? Like? No, they need some speed, they need a speedster and speed. They need that West Virginia kid. Honestly, somebody could go vertically. He did it at a higher level. But you're describing a similar skill set to me to Andy Jones. Yeah, this guy's a more physical player than Andy Jones. Just in you get

my point? Yeah, I think I do. I'm gonna stay in Ohio for Dane. Yeah, Dane Special right here. Tell me more about Youngstown State edge Rusher, not Derek Rivers, Avery Moss, the Penguins who arguably had the best pass rush duo in all of college football last year with Rivers and in Avery Moss. UH Nebraska transfer. This is this is the top recruit at one time. It passed up offers from Stanford and some others go to Nebraska, played for both. Polini got himself into some trouble UH

and was banned from the school. Ended up kind of hear what he did. He exposed himself. Yeah, you'd read about that. Yes, he follows UH coach Polini Youngstown State where you know and listen, I've stopped exposing himself. He did that. I've talked to some of his coaches about him, and they've all Tommy John. Yeah, he'll do the read for Tommy John if we draft him, go ahead. His coaches have all told me that they consider this an isolated incident, Like, yeah, an immature decision, like on a bet,

that type of deal. But just a good, smart individual who had an immature moment. So I'm not gonna hold that what happened against him, you know too much. But you know, is he on the same level as Rivers rushing off the edge. No, but he still has a pass rush skill set to work with. Did you notice some of the time. So he was quicker off the bal than Rivers. Oh yeah, and he has I mean he has a length that you can work with. Um. I have some questions about him versus the run, but

as a pass rusher he can. He has got a little bit of bend do him. He's got that arc acceleration. Yeah, he can put pressure on the pocket. Uh, not quite as effectively as Rivers, but still to the point where he can, you know, create some kind of havoc. I think he's better than Rivers. And this is where I'm going to disagree with you. Watching him play on tape, see a guy playing with his hands. I see a guy that can extend into the block. And now is

it always getting off the block? I mean he's he's getting hands inside and then quickly and then boom, you know, get rid of a guy. The thing though I really liked about him is if the ball did come back inside and he was up the field, I mean he was planned back inside making the tackle. So yeah, I had somebody from Nebraska tell me about him and they're like, ooh, this is what he did. I'm thinking, Oh, no, here

we go one of those deals. But at four eight six at the combine is not indicative of what he is playing football. I mean, it's you're too sixty three, two hundred and sixty four pound guy, But you look at this time. It's four eight six at the time. And I bet you if you go to if you go to Youngstown and read time him, he'll run better than that because he plays faster. It's interesting because he'd why as he used Pro Day, he didn't run again. Yeah, that's that's that's not he just might not be a

great tester. No, and that and he might just say that might be the but I thought you could probably. But I agree with Dane. The bend, the finish, that's his game. But they're and like I said, there's snaps where you you see him, it's him and Rivers, and he's off the ball before Rivers and in disruptive mode as Rivers is trying to be disrupted. He's got those thirty four and a half inch arms. Yeah, I'm surprised he only did fourteen reps on the pitch. I dig

that arm length, Um, that's that's what you want. You dig the exposing part of it too. No, I don't, Oh, gross, where at length Kent is on point today. Where can I get him? Um, I think I had a four or five on Yeah, I was more than that. I was closer to five. That's honestly what I want to hear from these. Tell me more guys. I think it's I think four or five is fair. I think four or five is fair. I think you probably might have

to get him at four. I've got a five on him, do you, yeah, Yeah, four or five I would I would go you at straight five five, straight five. I mean their fourth round pick is essentially a five. Anyway, Yeah, tell me more. Another and another unsung guy from a power school, tell me more about what Washington's Kevin King, who seems to be rising up the hype boards recently. Well, when you're that size and you test like he did, did you watch Arizona State by tape? By chance? Let

me see what I watched that day on Kevin King. Well, if if you probably didn't, then because if no, I didn't, Arizona, Utah, Oregon and Stanford. His interception against Arizona State was one of the top three. You'll see really impressive, you using that full extension, use those ball skills. He's not really technically proficient at playing cornerback with his footwork right, with the way he moves in both man and off coverage. But when you have those foundation traits, the length, at

the speed he can bend, he's flexible. When he locates the ball, he'll go up and get it, and he can be a playmaker when the ball is in the air. So when you have those foundation traits, that's the type of corner you want to work with. He does need some work, far from a polished product, but again, when you have those those raw traits, it's something you can project him forward to being something more than just uh, you know, a guy with promise. You can project him

as a starter. Yeah, six three, even two hundred pounds four four five is what the measurables all lead to believe. I'll tell you this though about him. I mean, I I was surprised that for a guy his his height, really you know, it takes him a little bit to get going. And and I mean I understand that when you get tall guys leggy, he's got long legs, but man, the guy plays with some balance. I mean, I worry

about guy. You're thinking, oh, it's gonna take him, you know, he's gonna have trouble, but the length makes him a hard guy to get away from. You know, he could he when he gets his hands. He's very competitive, that's the thing. Dane's got him right. But he's a physically tough guy when playing man coverage because you can't get away from him. That's the thing now, getting going part that has maybe to do when he has to play in the off coverage. But I think he matches up

well against any size. Anything you throw at him, he's gonna find a way to make plays. Two three, I've got a two on him, and I think there's a chance he can go in the first. He what he did the combine, Yeah, I mean he's The buzz around him is building for sure. Just don't see many corners like him. You really don't mean Seattle in the late first, you know, Green Bay, the teams that really value the

length and the size at corner, that would make some sense. Yeah, I just I mean the tackling thing is going to be a little bit of a question for him. You think he may be a little bit better for his size, that he would be a better tackler six three, two hundred. He's really not, But The coverage aspect of his game is impressive. It really really is. Well, that's what you pay corners for. Absolutely, I'll forgive your bad tackling. He had lock people down ten or eleven reps on the bend. Yeah,

that's impressive for a guy that long. Is that it? Dave? That is it? All right? Ken Garrison? Hey, I'm gonna go to you. We got anybody wants to talk to us today? Fole lines are open, get us in in the next minute and a half and week. What are we gonna as we as we kind of finish this day out though? What do we got coming up though in the coming weeks? That the coming week that you feel like that we're gonna need to need to keep a close eye. Yeah, you gotta. Oh I want to.

I also want to, uh talk about though, You're the Beast? How how's that coming along? That's the Dane Brugler. If you go to his h is a Twitter page DP Brugler, you will find it. He's you'll pin that about that tweet about the Beast. I'm not ready which hopefully in the next two weeks. I mean I'm working late nights, you know, until three am, getting up at seven and you know, starting in the back up again and explained

the Beast. I always we call it the Beast, but it's the in depth reports on the top four hundred guys in this draft. Uh. You know, we know about the top guys, but it's similar to tell me more. You know, we try to go really deep on each one of these guys. All the details, nothing too small. It'll all be in there. So the best draft guide, yeah, it is. It is outstanding. And we're working on our draft guide too here for Star Magazine. We take a lot of pride in that as well, so we'll keep

everybody abreast of of Danes when it gets out. I say, make sure you're following him on Twitter for all good draft information. He does a great job too of answering your draft questions. If you're new to the Draft show, you know, feel free to reach out to him or myself, you know, David Hellman. We'll do our best to to do that to ask your question. Sure. The radar gun times from the combine Shaun Watson came in at forty nine, which is below average. Yeah, and I heard the workout

today was below average right from Clemson. How much stock do you put into the mile prour. With the quarterbacks, traditionally you want at least fifty five. You know, Mahomes a sixty, which, right Mahomes is off the chart. But traditionally you want fifty five. Now at forty nine, you know, you watch my tape and it's okay, it's okay. Not a great arm, but not a terrible arm. No, No, does the forty nine number worry you at all? Or is that a number you just kind of brush off.

I don't brush it off, but it doesn't bothers me. I worry about the accuracy, you know, I worry. I'm not not worried. I when a quarterback, I look at accuracy. If the ball's slow and it's not accurate, it is gonna get knocked down. But to me, you know, when you got I still think there's a lot of great traits about Watson. I really really do. I like the Shawn Watson a lot, but I kind of feel like,

and I mean, that's what happens with quarterbacks. But people are talking about him as a top ten twenty pick, and I just don't think that's realistic based on what is there. I mean, I've already said it a half a dozen times. He's like Dak all over again. And Dak obviously you'd pick him one right now, but he was projected as a I wouldn't think that Dak Prescott showed similar kind of traits. I need to go look

at that number. But I mean, I don't think that Dak Prescott's ball speed would I believe he was like fifty three, so he was right with the average. I'm at the combine, um, but yeah, no, we just don't see a lot of below fifty five, but especially below fifty that's rare. And so it's just it's just one of those interesting, you know, numbers from the combine that needs context. But it's something that I don't think you brush off. But you know, it's tough to figure out

how much you weigh something like that. I just feel like people are trying to peg him as a top twenty pick when he's more like a top sixty pick. That's my impression, at least, I don't I have one two one him. I've got him, you know, in the right around the twenty five to thirty range on my board. Um, did quarterbacks get pushed up? Absolutely all the time? Mahomes s Goo is did Mahomes go up from fifty for you?

It's like forty six? Yeah, not not too much, but it's everybody's fallen in love with Mahomes and I like Mahomes too. Yeah. I have Williams higher than I mean, Williams Watson higher than Mahomes. Mahomes is one of my favorite players in the strap that regardless of position. I think people are just because I like watching him on tape. People are like watching the crazy plays and stuff like that, run around, throw the ball. I mean, Blaine Gabbert went

eleven overall. Yeah, these things happen. Yeah, all right, well oh yeah, yeah, we got one. What's up, Dominic? Go ahead, what do you got man? Hey? I was just calling about the Tony Romo situation and uh, what I was thinking is, um kind of nervous, but don't worry about it. We're all We're okay. Yeah, Um, I agree with you.

I think they should all. I wouldn't. I would not release him, sure, because I think the Cowboys are on the cusp of really doing something good, like like like you guys said, they have the right tools in place, you know, with Elliott and Prescott. So what I would do I would hold on to him. And I think that some GM is gonna say, Okay, second or third pick, what's gonna do me better? Is it gonna be Tony

Romo or the second or third round pick? And I think they're gonna say, hey, we gotta take a shot. I mean Romos if he he could get hurt. But I I think if you make a trade that's friendly and then get to get them at the right price, you're not going to sign them for five years. I think that's where the Cowboys made a mistake. They gave them too much. And I love Tony Romo, but the Cowboys have paid them, and I think I think they should get something for him, and I think they should

explain that to Tony. I think I think Tony would understand. It's like, hey, this is the Cowboys. I'm a fan. I think about the Cowboys sometimes. You know a lot of players they got to get their money they go, So Tony's got to give the Cowboys something back. I just totally believe that, and I think it's a smart thing to do because they are so close to being a really great team. Okay, and a good draft this this year will really help them all right, Thank you

very much. Yeah, thank you very much. Appreciate appreciate that. I just and I think when you're when and I wonder if Jerry Jones kind of suffers from this as well. Like when you're this close to the situation and you've seen everything that Tony Romo has done for the franchise, you kind of fall into that line of thinking, like we have to get something for him. But that's not the way it has. Maybe he's surprised that people, you

know what I'm saying. You seeople are surprised if you see that quarterback go from Houston to Cleveland for a second round pick. You're kind of one R eight players are stunned by the cruelty of the open market on a regular basis. That's absolutely right. Look at Adrian Peterson right now. That's absolutely right. And so we'll see how it goes. But I just have my doubts that they'll be able to get much. You're only worth with the market says you're worth. There, you go, all right, I'll

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