Draft Show: More Pro Days; 2nd & 3rd Rounds

on this draft. It feels like forever now and I'm joined here by my drafting buddies, player personnel guys, Dame Brugler from CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, who got a taste of a pro day yesterday at Baylor and so interested to see his thoughts a lot of good players at Baylor and interested to see what his impressions were of that. Uh, you are listening to the Draft Show, like I said, where we like to investigate and then educate you on

all things going on in the NFL draft. Um talked about pro days and some big pro days last week and what we saw with Ohio State, uh, with Clemson, with Alabama this week we're starting to get some individual workouts, still in the pro day mode, but we had UCLA Miles Jack my favorite player of all time. Yeah, the guy that I will go down that could be my new uh Joey Harrington. Yeah, and still that's the problem.

Maybe that's the problem, aniscus. Yeah, that's the problem. I'm you know, and I and the one thing that the disadvantage that we have now of what we do and look at these players as we fall in love with him, and then a guy with dr period in front of his name comes and says, Brian, not so fast. But but don't we investigate and educate. We're trying. And if you investigate that knee I know and I and I wanted to believe and it still might work out for

Miles Jack. Oh yeah, it still might work situation No, and then we need to get into that one too. But I'm I'm now getting I'm now getting uh nervous about the situation with Miles James. Hard not to get attached to these guys. I'm attached to him because I'm watched him play every day. Yeah exactly, and you you fall in love with what this guy can do. Yeah, potential that he has. But then yeah, the kicker, something's

going on with that knee. Ye, Miles Jack tells us as soon as he's he said he was gonna be one hundred percent on the fifteenth, and as soon as he said he wasn't going to run his forty. Now you said it, you're right, and I didn't want to believe it. Even if he does run the forty, great, but it doesn't all that doesn't tell us everything. So there still might be issues with the knee. We saw it with Jgi E last year. You know, he was able to work out fine, but it was more long

term that teams were worried about. He fell to the fifth round, right, So what will we see with Miles Jack. We still don't know. The medical rechecks will tell us a lot more. Yeah, disappointed by that, yet I hope everything works out for him. I wonder what well we saw Jgi E as like a top forty pick, yeah, and he fell to the fifth round. So Miles Jack is a top five pick. I wonder how far he might fall. And that's the thing with injuries is, you know,

no two injuries are alike. No two knees are alike, and how they recover from these injuries, and you know the long term prognosis. So yeah, each one has to be kind of viewed with as an individual, and no two teams are alike in the way that they assess these things. Yeah, he'll be a box player for some teams. Other teams might be more willing to take a flyer on him. So well, I hope that the fact if he can run on the first and then go to

the rechecking everything. Got some news about another potential first round pick though, And I don't mean to beat make this a medical show, but I will shack Lawson. Some teams talking about his shoulders. He's had a history of shoulder issues the time because of it though, right, No, but he he loves to use his shoulder on the field, the way he leans in the blockers, the way he hits. And it's not just one shoulders, it's I've heard both shoulders are there's some issues going on. So some three

teams talked about potential problems there. Yeah, and something that we have to pay attention to and continue to investigate. And we also and you were talking about earlier, Jalen Smith Yeah, that's the unfortunate one as well. He hated for a player who started every game at Notre Dame all thirty nine games the last three years, didn't miss a single game to get hurt in the Bowl game like that, You just you hate it for him because, I mean, the way what he has to overcome now

is a tall task. Yeah, he's not playing this year, right, Can he get back on the field eventually hopefully? Yeah, he's got to regrow a ligament. That's what he has to do. And they asked and and basically like an inch a month kind of a thing is what they're talking about. So he's done for the whole. Uh for this season? Though, David, at what point time do you consider him though? Do you consider you know what, we

have a little bit of a history of this. Now he's teams taking guys and stashing them away and hope that maybe someday they will rise again. Does this count as a stash though? I mean it reminds me of Marcus Lattimore. We talked about that earlier. It didn't work

out very well for San Francisco. It didn't. I mean, a high profile player with a lot of talent and but The reason I say I don't know if it counts as a stash is because I think everybody agrees he's a first round pick, maybe even a top fifteen pick if he's asolutely so it's not like he's a secret. You know, he's not coming from Saginaw State or something

like that. Um. We saw it last year with Polamu, Yeah, the talent you say, the name at the corner out of Oregon, Oregon who was looked at as a top fifty guy until he hurt his knee during a bowl prep. And then the Browns, who had a lot of picks last year. I think they had a dozen picks that you know, they had a couple seventh rounders and said we'll take a chance on this guy and they're hoping he can contribute this year. So we'll see if how it works out for him. But I think this is

where teams that like to accumulate picks. There's some of those comp picks in later rounds. You know that can Alice has three of them. In the six You can take a flyer on a guy that might have injury issues. That's where I would take him six round. Now, he's not gonna play this year, and you don't know if he's ever gonna play again. Like, how can you justify spinning a pick if I'm especially with a high pick

like this. I mean they essentially pick four times in the top one hundred and pick fours one on one. All I want all four of those picks to be guys who can contribute this year. Yeah, if not start, Yeah, the doctor tells me that he has a chance. That's all I need. I'll take a chance. I'll, you know, take a flyer on him late in the draft. Late the draft, I mean, you know, not one of my last Yeah, I was situation, and my situation and I

was in in Philadelphia nineteen ninety eight. I know that sounds forever to go, forever ago and Hellman always gives me grief about my father time stories. But I'll tell a father time story. Jeremiah Trotter, you know, had a situation the linebacker Stephen and Austin and we the doctor told me, he I don't know if he's gonna play ten games or ten years. And I give Jeff Lurie a lot of credit for allowing us to draft Jeremiah Trotter and he ended up playing over ten years in

the league. So again, sometimes he's medical. Things can go the right way, and as the case of Lattimore, it went the wrong way. And I agree with you. I think there are a lot of people who thought, well, what if you filled the thirty four? Did you take the thirty four? And then all of a sudden, it's like you know, and you're like, and I tried to warn people on Twitter, he might not ever play again, you know, just be and no, would you take him at thirty No? I mean he might get this, He

might not ever play again. He for sure won't play this year. Yeah, So we will see about that pro day for Golf tomorrow. What do you think? What are we gonna see from mister golf? Is he going to Is he gonna solidify himself as that first quarterback? Taken the things about quarterback pro days? I mean I I don't think there's anything more overrated than took the words right out of my mouth a scripted quarterback workout. Oh, we get excited about that day, don't we? Fifty seven

sixty two? Yeah, because I love to see him throw and for some of these guys is important. You and I went to see Johnny Manziel at his pro day that was very well script and some of that was important because down the ball and a chance to see him takes National Munner Center. That was another one. I mean, that's something you never did it at A and M. So is a chance there are some things to take

away from this that we can gain. But for the most part, I think it's just it's all scripted workouts, throwing against air, throwing with your own receivers, so you expect if you're not perfect or close to perfect, well, then I have questions because you should be right. So it's hard to really I think you can secure your status as one of the top quarterbacks. I don't think it's really I don't think you're really going to help

yourself at this point for golf, you know. I think he can go in secure himself as arguably the top quarterback, you know, possibly worthy of a top ten pick. But I don't think we're gonna come away from tomorrow's pro day and say, Okay, this he's definitely the top quarterback. He needs to go. The Browns need to take him at number two. David. It kind of getting a little bit of win that maybe that Connor Cook might have a private workout with the Cowboys. Yeah, he said, he

said he's got one scheduled. Actually, is that there's that kind of any concern or? I mean, I'd say I would be concerned because I'm not a Connor Cook fan on it, and I'm not either, but I sort of expect that the Cowboys should probably have some kind of workout scheduled with every quarterback there is every viable one. I mean, why wouldn't you. We know they're interested in Dak Prescott. We heard that they're interested in Connor Cook. You assume they're doing their due diligence on the top

three as well. But I mean, when when your need for especially it does not look like they're going to do anything interesting in the free agent market quarterbacks. So your draft pick could arguably your second be your second best quarterback on the team, depending on who he takes. Should he be at thirty four absolutely, I mean he's in plays he would played for you at thirty four day.

I mean, I mean, I know you're not like the guy, but but for the Cowboys, Yeah, because I think if you're the Cowboys want Conor Cook, thirty four is where they have to take him. I don't think he's gonna last to sixty seven. Um, what round grade did you give him? I had him in the third. Yeah, I don't like the player myself, but the fact that the Cowboys, then again, they're talking about and I know you really like we we've heard speaking of another guy, Derrick Henry.

We're starting to get a little bit of the he's not that's not even a private workout. He's a thirty visit.

He's a thirty visit. That's what I'm saying, though. I mean, you're starting to hear some things of guys that you know, I might not particularly like, or Dave or you we particularly like, but what matters is what they like, right, And so that kind of in your'd you like going, well, okay, well you know we'll Connor Cook being play at thirty four, Well, Derrick Henry being play at thirty four, and they're both

guys that you have to take at thirty four. Yeah, and they're both guys that I'm kind of like, would go, damn you know who else was on the board, right, I'd be one of those guys. To me. That's why I'm sitting in here with you, guys. I feel way better about Henry than Cook though that's just me, but no, I agree, And I think Henry's like number forty something on my board, So he's a mid second rounder to me. Sure,

he's a second back in this draft to me. So at thirty four, I don't think it's a huge reach. I don't think it would be a mistake. I wouldn't get overly excited about it. But I think he fits this Cowboys offense. I think he could do some damage. And if you want Derek Henry, you have to take him at thirty four, So it would not be surprising

if you would be the pick. Yeah. To answer your original question, if they're doing their job right, they should be turning over every stone at quarterback, that every single quarterback should get a visit from the Cowboy. And I think all the Cowboys draft picks last year two, I think we're the dirty visits. I mean just because that's yeah, you got to pay attention at thirty p Yeah, I

mean it's important to see who they're looking at. But sometimes you know, the guys they bring in are the guys they have some questions about or you know, like they want to find out more because they're they're not over, they're not completely sold whereon. You know, some of the guys they don't invite to the as a thirty visit.

They know what they're getting. They don't need to bring him in and tip their hand, and you know, because they understand who the player is and they don't need to, you know, worry about interviewing him or seeing him up close anymore. So, you know, the thirty visits they're important, you know, once they come out or you know, once they get leaked out, you know, here and there. But it doesn't mean that he's going to be the draft

pick obviously. Yeah, I was told to don't throw dirt on Noah Spence's He's the best passion I'm sure in this draft. So yeah, he's a wild card. Don't throw dirt on Noah Spence at four. Don't throw don't no

dirt on him at all. Well yeah, I wouldn't, But I mean there's there's people that kind of believe that maybe Noah Spence might not be you know, might be a guy that they take off the board for so much I'm saying I never I never bought Noah Spense as like this horrible box player guy like he had some fun, taken ecstasy a couple of times like that does kind of a year removed too right to you.

And he hasn't gotten in any trouble since he left Ohio State this, I well, did get arrest of the or the minor incident in the bar, but not a big deal, not a drug issue. It doesn't freak me out the way Frank Clark did last year. Put it that way, Frank Clark is really different though. Yeah, that's one of those cases where you're kind of you hold your breath about that one because we don't know a whole lot about that. I mean we've we we lived it. You and I just lived it. Yeah, we lived that

whole cloud hanging over your head. Yeah, you know, it's not fun, I think, I mean, you know, especially where they took it. I mean, how much heat did the cowboys really take for Randy Gregory? And I mean obviously it didn't work out for him, at least not in year one. Right, everything people criticized him for it turned out to be true. But people, well, you know, you can live with that type of pick. It's a totally different issue than like domestic violence. As far as I'm concerned,

you know, with Spence. You know, I think if he's he could fall to thirty four because he's such a wild card. I mean, there are yes I give him credit for instead of going to the draft, he went to Eastern Kentucky. He stayed clean. He told the coaches give me drug tests every week and he passed, and that that's great. But a lot of teams aren't overly sold on his interviews. He's not overly convincing, so that's

been an issue for him. He's a top ten to fifteen player in this draft just in terms of talent, probably the best pure pass rusher. But where is he can end up on draft Day? It's anyone's guests. He's

a true wild card. It wouldn't shock me at all if he slips through the first round and he's available at the top of the second if it comes down to guys, though, you know, with the Cowboys situation with them needing, could you see him going back to back, say they do take Bosa at four, could you see him going back to back and take and acted back taking uh, taking Noah thirty, uniting the two Bucks's Yeah, it's about you feel good about that? Sure? Absolutely it's value.

I mean, at number four, you don't worry about your second, or third or fourth, You don't worry about any other pick. At number four, you take the best player on your board, right, and then at number two, okay, if a guy like Spence falls to you, then you have to stay true to that board. And as much as you would like to address the running back position, maybe pick up a wide receiver. If a talent expense is there, you did

your due diligence. You believe he's gonna stay clean and that he can help your football team, you gotta add him. You know what, I would feel good about it. I'm sitting him thinking, you know, I want a running back that can bolster the offense, and I want to you know,

all this other stuff. But if they don't take Ezekiel Elliott, then I feel just as good about them finding a guy on day three then I would about Derrick Henry or Kenneth Dixon for that matter, certainly at thirty four and sorry, no, I just I feel a lot better. And you call me a homer or an optimist if you want, but I just I feel better about Mo car Scandric Byron in the secondary. I'll throw Church in

there for that. I feel a lot better about that than the average Cowboys fan, especially if you draft two ready made contributors a defensive end to try to improve that pass rush. I mean, it doesn't look like they're gonna do a whole lot for their pass rushing free agency. I mean, everybody that's really worth having is gone. So if you're gonna try to fix it through the draft, getting two guys in the top thirty four sounds like as good an option as any. So what we just said, though, then, uh,

Jackson's nut doesn't fit in our our mode. Not if you're drafting Spence. Well no, I'm saying if you're but looking at thirty four, somehow he were to get to you at thirty four, I would be fine with that too. I'm not saying I wouldn't like that. But dots say, say you had a situation. We had Dotson, Spence and accent, so that's tough. And let's and let's say you also you went both at four, so you already got your

pass rusher, right, do you go pass rusher again? Kim d cash in on the value not touching Kim Dici to ten footpoll, I kind of leaned that way too, Okay, but no, no, that makes that's a that's a tough discussion in the war room because you have a chance to upgrade and find a true number two with Dockson. Um, you know, you can have the higher grade of the guys I named of Dotson. It's gotta be it's gotta be Spence. Right, just on the field, it is Spence, I think, Yeah, I think it's got I mean, yeah,

it's the off field stuff that makes them scary. And I do think I just said that Spence doesn't scare me as much as other questionable players, but I do think that might turn them off given what just happened with Randy Gregory. It's a factor. It has to be, especially and they took Grace by case, don't they. They keep telling us that, right, I took Gregory twenty six spots after Spence, So I mean, this is still a

really rich pick to spend on a Krammium pis. Yeah, it is, And so that's they had a lot of homework to do on him still and trying to figure him out. I think, well, you just made me feel somewhat comfortable about a corner. Then I think Spence would Spence is the best of those three players to add to this team, But I would probably take Jackson because it feels a big need and I don't think you

have the same concerns about him. Why do I think Dotson would be the best player of those Well, I mean I may can argue if if if you didn't, if if you if you didn't feel comfortable, if you didn't be a comfortable Spence to me as a first round player, But I think Dotson deserves some consideration and the other teams late in the first round, oh absolutely. And the other thing too with Spence is he's better in a three four in my opinion. That's a that's

a good point too. I mean he I think he's better. Give him space because he's not a guy that's going to consistently uh win with power, right. His arms aren't as long as you want talked about him in the run against the run right exactly. I mean, he's you can run at him, and so I think there are some issues there. He's not a and that's why you get asked questions all the time about him at four. I think that's ridiculous. I mean, he's just not that

type of player you want the top five. He's a good pass rusher, don't get me wrong, but you have to kind of scheme him a little bit in a four three. I mean, you have to protect him because teams know they can run at him. But yeah, no to your Dockson point. You could sell me that Dockson would be the best option there because aber Jackson. Yeah, absolutely, you could sell me on that, because he can be at number two for this team midway through his rookie year.

You know, a reliable guy. We talked about it last week that the way the board falls, with the values and the depth of the different positions. Wide receivers as good a guess as any and I'm sure that makes a lot of people upset when you consider the spot the holes on this team. But I mean, Terrence Williams has been inconsistent. He's entering the contract year. Cole Beasley is not going to play outside for you regardless, right,

I don't. I mean, I mean, I just came back from Baylor, so I've kind of got the bias of recent events in my mind. But I kind of I kind of developed a little bit of a man crush on Corey Coleman. Corey Coleman kids a beast. Yeah, and he's he's a cocky little guy too. Do you have an idea what teams were working him out? Could you tell by Gear or anything like that who had him. I'll tell you this, I don't know about working him out, but the Steelers brought their whole damn crew down to

wake up. I think they're thinkings is a good bet. I don't, I mean especially, I know they just drafted Sammy Coates, but I mean Martavis Bryant looks like he's not going to be available. So yeah, that's not stunning it. But you couldn't tell by gear who was working anybody out? Not not really. Um they had um, but he got he went through a whole workout though, right they did. Who was taller? You were? Corey me? Oh no, Well I like that. He just he seems little. Yeah, and

he's he's yoked. He's a stocky guy. But he you know, he's not this imposing Julio Jones does Brian type of Honestly, the easy comparison is Odell Beckham. I mean, justin three you say he's got a little of that in him. He's he's ready for the superstar lifestyle. I'll tell you that, Like he's I wake up, kind of bringing him down. I was talking to him about I was talking to him about Dez because Corey Coleman has already signed a deal with Jordan, hasn't played enough bail down. Yeah, well,

so I was talking to him about Dez. He grew up a Cowboys fan, you know, he's from Dallas. I'm like, I was like, well, Dez is mister Jordan, so y'all would get along or whatever. He's like, I'm mister Jordan too, And I was like, you do not lack for confidence, sir at all, Like for him ready to go. I think you would worry this team at all. Not you, but this team about another Baylor receiver knowing you know, I think I don't. I don't know where to play

him though. Well, these wide receivers out of Baylor, I mean they see you're going, I see where you and there's times where you watch him they don't do anything exactly. They just stand over there and do a big bag of nothing unchallenged routes as half field reads. I mean, that's that's something that you know, as I think Coleman will be a productive pro but you have the Baylor offense does have to worry you somewhat. I would take dots and all day, and that's fine. I'm to Dane's point. Yeah,

I mean Terrence Williams. There's plenty of questions and complaints you can come up with his for his play, but I don't think he's been so bad that it would turn you off from a Baylor receiver. I mean, as the eightieth overall pick, he's been a productive and explosive part of this offense. I mean, he hasn't been so bad that I'm just like cross off all Baylor and prospects. No. But but to take him at thirty four over a JSON or over Fuller, would you be surprised if people

had him as the best receiver? Some people do over treadwall even. I mean I don't, I don't agree, but I guess I could see it because you know, we're we're not drafting these guys for you know, the rookie year. We're drafting these guys for three road absolutely, and so wouldn't shock meant a off Corey Coleman ends up being the most explosive receiver from this draft. Okay, We're gonna take our first break of the day. When we come back,

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k Hill for coming up with this segment. It is Twitter on the Twitter. Dave Hellman, you got it, Fred wants to know. Um, I guess sort of a comparison, what is it about Bosa that makes him a more viable prospect than Shack Lawson. I mean Shack Lawson's kind of in that conversation for number two in what a question? Yeah, that is a good question. I mean they bring a lot of the same strengths with their game, their skill set, the kind of style that they play. Neither at the elite.

You know, Guy's gonna bend the edge consist instantly right win with speed. But I think they both are are are strong or technically sound. Um, I think I just get both of the edge because he's just a little bit more advanced with his hand technique and technique is outstanding. I mean, yeah, the way he understands and he and he learns throughout the course of a game, you know, and just how to break down the rhythm of the of the blocker and the offensive lineman. So yeah, he's

just a little for far more advanced. But I mean Lawson's a darn good player too. Yeah, Lawson is good. I will say this about Bosa though, when you do watch him, and again, Dane's right about the quick that that the quick get off all that, the swim, the grab, the he's always trying to break the guy down. I think he breaks a tackle down better than what Losson does in my opinion. No, let's go and but now now you have to have that to finish it. And

there are times where he absolutely finishes. And I think what you can do with Bosa the teams. The teams are going to figure out is you can kick him inside and that's gonna be That might be because of the quick or the hand quickness and the fighting. That might be his better position in the I mean, he might have more production as a three technique than he has as a defensive end because he can get right on the quarterback with quickness. Doesn't that scare you that

that he would be better at three techniques? We play the run, Play the run, Yeah, play the left fitting they're gonna I think they're gonna have to move if they draft him. I think they're gonna move that. They'll move to Marcus Lawrence. I think that's fine. But well, I'm talking about Tyrone Crawford too, though. Yeah, you put maybe maybe put Crawford at the one, and then you know, you get Mossa, who is an explosive player and dang's right, you know, and I people act again like I don't

like the guy. There are things about him with the hands and all that that are outstanding. Could Shack play right end here? I mean, I know he's probably not the guy at four, but just entertain me. Yeah, well again he's talking about that. They don't. It's it's all about that spence. Those guys, those are the guys that have that, and Lawrence can do that. Lads, that's where

Lawrence was originally thought that drafted him. Yeah, that's why. Yeah, you know, I know he did well left end last year, but I have no problem moving him to right end and putting a guy like Bosa left hand that Joey Boss, Joey Bosa would be a damn good left defensive end and then and also a a inside player because the nickel. When you move him inside, he just quick. He's closer

to the ball. We got a lot easier. We have to try to convince fans that, like, you don't need to jump off a cliff if they draft Joey Bosa. I feel like that. I feel like I'm the guy that kind of drove the train into the ditch. Because you know and people it is. But I've said all along the guys are good football players. No, it's the biggest one of the issues with draft season is these draft narratives that get started. Hey, that's why we have

the Draft show now exactly to educate part. Yeah, and with a guy like Joey Bosa, he isn't Von Miller, but he doesn't need to be. He wins in other ways and he's he's a darn good football player. Who I think you know I've this before, but people talk about a ceiling dull darn and now he's going to a ceiling's n He doesn't have that huge up, sir. You don't need to project. He's already a darn good player. Here we go. You don't need to drink draino if

they draft. That's bleach Blake. Blake wants to know. Um. I mean, we can't speak for the team or any other teams. Box players are who do you have in the box right now? Is there anybody? Is there anybody you think they might have in the box. We talked about Spence a little bit. There's box too because of medical Yeah, and that that that that so you have But if you if you're a guy that's filled a drug test at the combine, there might be again, case

by case, a box player. I feel like there's a lot fewer box players under the Will McClay watch than I do with when Tom was doing Tom Siskowski. Yeah, and I don't I don't mean that as a slam, but Tom's a hardline guy. I think Will's a little bit more. Let's open this thing up. We're eliminating, We're eliminating Tyrn Matthew, We're eliminating, Uh the kid that play is it Carolina? You know? Yeah, Norman, we're eliminating guy. You know. But let's make it a case by case.

But to say, you know, if the one thing they will tell you is if there has been a history of drug use, that they that's one of the things that they look at the drug use. Domestic violence is another one that they that they are now looking very strongly at two. So if you if those players following those under that umbrella, then they will be a consideration for Bob and I think one of those guys this year who have a lot to do a lot of

work on Rushard Robinson. There you get corner from LSU that's the One's a lot of issues there that I that would be. I would not be surprised if he ends up in the box. He fits exactly. You're thinking we might hear some news about him. We wouldn't shock me at all, we do. I mean, that's just kind of how how his career has gone up at this point. There's a lot of accountability issues there. If you can't stay eligible at LSU, you got real problems. I am

proof of that. Um, here's a here's an interesting from cam. I think. So at least you talk about not needing Ezekiel Elliott because the offensive line is so good you can find cheaper production later in the draft. Is that short sighted because you got contracts coming up on this line? I mean it's not going to stay together forever. I mean Frederick's up in two years, Martin's up after that. Lal Collins has two years left on his deal before

they got to worry about retaining him. Doug Freeze. The only guy that you know is going to be here for the foreseeable future is Tyrant Smith. So is it short sighted to think that you're going to have this great wall here forever? I mean they're going to do their best to keep these guys, but it's not gonna surprise me one bit if a couple of them get away. If you knew who, if you knew what you knew about this offensive line right now, I mean, you know the offensive blind the way it is. Who do you

think they let walk? Who would they let walk of the offensive lineman? Travis aside from Free? Yeah? Well yeah, well no he doesn't the drafted Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably Yeah, I think I mean Martin, I mean he's already two time. I mean, he's an All Pro. He's gonna be the best guard in football going forward. And then Lyle's a physical free and he gives you versus say he could

kick out the right tackle. Yeah, I mean he gives you positions, which it makes me feel like a bad person, like I'm not trying a dog, not Jason Garrett In shows great player. Yeah, but you can only pay so

many of these guys. I think that I think they let the center walk, and they they they maybe you might see a guy whoever the swing center is they draft with that one thirty five, If that's the guy or a third round guy, that that swing center guard guy could be your starter a couple years, so we're not getting too far away from the point. Is it shortsighted to undervalue running back? No, you don't think it is. So you think the line is still gonna be I think the line will be Okay, it'll be in. I

think it'll be a check. Yeah, I think it'll be a tax. If you could, if you could get if you could keep four the four of the five, yeah, sure, yeah yeah. And then and then obviously you have a little bit of understanding how to draft guys. Sure, so yeah, we'll see. Okay, um, last one, we are all right. David wants to know. We've talked about this a little bit, but post Cedric Thornton, where are you looking at defensive tackle?

If at all? I'm trying to get a defensive end now, Yeah, I'm thinking at first, I thought, you know, thirty four could be a spot. When we started this journey a long time ago, we were all talking about defensive tackles. It became a joke of the show. It kind of breaks my heart that I know, Andrew Billings is not really an option for this team now, you know, sure because of Thornton or because it just doesn't It doesn't make sense to me. You gotta it's gotta be thirty four,

assuming he even falls that far. You need an end. You're well, not only that, you're paying your tackles a lot of money right now in corner. You know wide receiver, we went through him to open the show. Yeah, but i'd say and Andrew Billings as vality at thirty four. Okay, what if Billings and Spence both are there in both our first round grades? You gotta have the end, right, I mean, but you took Boast at four. But okay,

but let's say that. Let's say Spence isn't there. Say they give is the first round grade and he's the only first round grade available at thirty four. Second round? There you go. Do you stick to your board and take that's what you have to That's that's that's a fair question. I guess I probably still would because you need I mean, you got its rotation right, you need eight guys right, and I I mean you have through all McClain. But he's no sure thing, so it wouldn't

be the worst. McClain has been here two years now and hand last of the season. It'd be pretty nasty to have Tyrone Billings and uh, and say Crawford goes down with the injury, I mean, could Thornton move to play three technique or the three technique? And you know, I mean you have a little bit of flexibility there to move guys around. So I mean, I think Billings is still in play if he's there at thirty four. That's fair. Thank you. I appreciate that. Dan, I need it.

I'm glad that I like. I like. I like him a lot. Yeah, I got first round, he went under five five flat in the fourth. He didn't need it, which is funny. It's funny because you know, everyone's like, oh my god, he didn't bench, like why wouldn't he bench? And everyone I know he talked about doing fifty reps at the combine and that's why he still did thirty one, which was seventh best at the entire event. Like he had a damn good bench. It's not like he can't bench.

Like I said, I'm gonna be nicer, that's what you know. It didn't work out that way all the time. All right, Well, thanks everybody for the Twitter questions. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it in your ballpark here. Let's do it because We're gonna do another one of my favorite things to

do now, and it's called tell Me More. Here on the Draft Show, we like to we like to find a way to not only talk about the top guys, but we take pride in giving you names of guys down the line, guys so when they are picked in the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round, we still have an understanding of who they are. So again, if you buy Dan's Draft Guide in the Star magazine, you'll know that anyway. But on this show, we'll do that. So, Dave, who

do you got today for? Tell Me More? Well, I'm gonna start off with some prote guys because that's kind of been in the theme of the week. I was in Waco and Miles Jack worked out on Tuesday in La I told you all this yesterday. So I'm gonna start one out. Start out with one that you're ready for. Okay, I want to know more about Baylor cornerback Zavian Howard. What can you tell me he clocked in at like a did a damn good for it yesterday? Yeah, I

don't know how. I mean, they're always faster at their pro days. Oh yeah, but I'm and he's big. He's a big, big guy too, So I'm interested. First off, on Howard. He and William Jackson were teammates in high school cornerback tandem. How about that, I mean, how tough is that going for those two corners future NFL guys. But Howard first flashed for me last year going up against Kevin White, the West Virginia wide receiver. They had some battles. White got the best of them a few times,

but Howard held his own. He's a big guy. He can run, and he consistently stays within arm's length of wide receivers. He doesn't that He's not a guy you're gonna look at as the prototype for fundamentals. He does not pay attention to the technique like you you know, want a guy too. But he's quick, he's agile, and I love his ball skills, the way he can attack the ball. He finds it and he goes and gets it.

And so for me, he's a second round pick and one of the better corners in this draft that doesn't get the love he should. Yeah, he's a smooth moving guy too. You watch him play, and like Dane, the thing I like about him and when you can you can kind of get away with it when you don't play technique really well. If you're if you have an understanding of routes and how to play routes. And I think he's got that ability. I mean I see him like bang on a receiver and then kind of adjust

and whatever that receiver hever receiver takes his route. He's kind of there involved with that. He can undercut routes. I think he's got a really good understanding of how to stay in position to play routes. You like him in the second round. Is thirty four too high? I don't think so. I mean, I think he's I have William Jackson rated higher, so I mean I would take Jackson over him. But I don't think thirty four is

too high. And I think you hit on it doing doing wide receiver like things, right, That's what you look for in a corner. Some corners can get away with that with speed, they can stay within arm's length. Howard does it because he understands a wide receiver position, so he's able to stay in shadow and mirror what the receiver's doing. Yeah, six foot Draft Advisory Board told him he was a fourth or fifth round grade and he needed to stay in school. I think he's about to

make them eat their words. Yeah, And I can't believe watching tape he would think that unless they're getting on him about the technique and stuff like that. I have him in the third round myself. But Dane's right. People need corners and they need big corners and he can do that. It's hard for, you know, in the Big twelve, for a lot of these guys playing corner, you're gonna get beat. If you're if you want to play corner and you go to the Big twelve, you're going to

get beat. That's just the nature of the conference. So there is some you know, bad tape out there, but I think there's a lot more good tape, and his upside is off the charts. Okay, sticking in the Big twelve because I'm terrified about this team's pass rush. It looks really bad. It doesn't look good at all. Tell me more about out Emmanuel Ogba out of Oklahoma State. Kind of a forgotten guy for a lot of people, Like I know, he's a higher grade than what I

would want for this segment. I mean, he's considered a pretty high prospect, but completely buried, Like we haven't talked about him once on this show. I'm confident. Yeah, not very much, though, tell me more. I think I feel like though, and just looking at my notes, I felt like that that he had like upper body strength. I thought that was really good. I thought his hands, the way he played his hands, I didn't see him always

explosive to capture the edge. No, he's not that guy. Yeah, and especially when you watch him play against white Hair from Kansas State, white Hair takes him to task pretty well, even to the point where they had to move. I know I've said that a couple of different times, but you know, he's one of those guys that if he could get his shoulder past the blocker, he's got a shot. I mean he could, he could sharpen it down, but

you don't always see him capturing that edge. And I don't see that elite type of ability to do that to beat Now he's keeping play. He's a right end, but I just don't see him all the time being able to get the edge, get the shoulder passed, and then flatten to the quarterback. He's very methodical with his speed, with his explosiveness. I mean, that's just he's not a twitchy type of guy, right, But he's balanced, he's physical, and he Gundy called on the coach's dream because of

his work ethic, the way he carries himself. He's born in Nigeria, came over here when he was I believe nine or ten years old. So I mean he's you know, you don't have to worry about him off the field. You know he's gonna give everything he has, but he's still learning the complexities at the position, yeah, and of the sport overall. So I do think he's worth a second round pick, and I do think he will continue

to get better. I don't see him as a guy he's gonna, you know, bend the edge consistently win the corners. He is, but there are still things alike about him possible he's there at sixty seven. I know you just said second round being a pass rusher. I think he probably goes second round. I mean, I think he's he's more he's more middle too late than he is early.

If people in fact are gonna put him in that point, there's other guys that I would consider before him, But it's hard to get excited about him as a first round player. But if you land him in the mid second round. You can do a lot worse. Absolutely sticking with the past rusher, This is a Dane special. This is a Dallas Cowboys special because they draft guys from nobody's schools, well, not even draft whatever. Matt Judon from Grand Valley State, the fighting Jeff Heaths, I believe or

is it he's a Grand Valley? Yeah? Is it car or sagona Valley. One of them is sagonaw On. One of them is Grand val Cars, Grand Valley. Yeah, there you go. But they love their players from nobody's schools in Michigan, is my point. Yeah. And obviously he faces a big jump of competition going from D two to uh what he's gonna face the NFL. And but he

just dominated D two competition. I mean the offensive tackles that he faced, they had no shot against him, right, I mean he one thing I worry about with him. He has some past knee issues that he has to will come the medicals, have to come back clean. But you watch him that initial quickness off the edge to dip. He he'll fly through the air, you know, to get

after the ball. That kind of a you know when we were when we were doing his tape, scouts went on the road with him weighing two hundred and fifty five pounds and at the combine, I want to say he weighed two seventy five, which I'm right, Yeah, he's sixty three two seventy five. And I initially on tape, I thought it more of a three to four outside linebacker. And just to show you the tape with Dane's talking about I watched Southwest Baptist Ashland and Ferris State. Jeez,

you know that that's but that's not his fault. It's not I mean, that's that's Grand Valley State plays those schools. But I will say this, this guy plays on both sides. He could play right in, he could play left in. But I saw him playing a much lighter weight at two hundred and fifty five pounds. And I will say this, though he could chase from the back side, he can capture the edge. He works to the level of the quarterback. I mean he I could say Russias from both sides.

I see a burst, I he balance. You know, he uses technique, you can bull rush. There's some things about this guy that are really really good, and I like, I like, But I'll tell you one thing. When you see a guy that can retrace his steps when he goes up and then the play comes past him and he goes back and he gets on on the play, that's effort, that's desire. There's a lot of things to like about this player. But again, you're watching the doesn't freak you out that the tackles he's abusing are in

CPAs well. Okay, we're gonna talk about eventually, we're gonna talk about an offensive tackle that plays that. I think that I don't know if and I don't know if he's on your list not to the West Georgia offensive tackle. Yeah, so, I mean I I you know, there's obviously there's talent and every I mean sixty three he's six three, two

seventy five. Now, I mean there's if if he in fact is not If he could play the with the quickness that he played with and that burst and exploit, he's a guy that I would take, I would take a strong look at because he has he's got he's got an understanding. He really really does. I know, I'm not overselling this guy. He does have an understand It's disappointing that he was supposed to be at the Shrine game. Yeah, but he got hurt and so I didn't get a

chance to see him. I was looking forward to seeing him against an upticking competition. But that's the issue with all these smaller school guys because it is such a difference in speed going up a level. You know, last year with Ali Marpett coming from the D three level, he didn't face a single rusher that was going to, you know, have a sniff at the NFL. But he goes to the the Senior Bowl and he still holds his own.

So this guy did. This guy at two seventy five ran four sixty eight, let's go, and he had thirty thirty reps at two twenty five. All right, there's some freakish things about him. Now, you're right. I watched Southwest, Baptist Ashland and Fairest State. It's not fair, But I'm just imagining Tyrn Smith doing that like slap mod He love that movie where he gets up Phil he just pushes him way. Yeah, two seventy five. I don't know round what are we talking here? Like the guy talking,

I'm thinking thirty four overall? No no no, no no no no no no no Where'd I have him here? I had him in the third round? Wow? Yeah, God, that's intriguing that that goes strong? There? Did I go? Did I over got him in the fifth? Higher night? But no, No, that he's a pass rusher who has proven he can get to the quarterback. So you know, I, if you go, it wouldn't be shocks. He ends up in the third round. Yeah, I wasn't impressed when I talked to him. Um, how was he? I talked? I

talked to some coaches about him. He told me, Dane the dream killer is the dream killer. He told him he wised up as a senior. He got a lot better. But that's a red flag than me when you have to wise up as a senior. Um. But no, hey, he maybe the light bulb turned on for him, and you know he's full go the rest of the way. We'll see. But I I that's a guy I take a chance on the fifth round. But hey, if a team take the chance. I'm on the third round and

he hits, we're gonna split him on our board. He's gonna be there at four there go round there we go. I'll take him at one thirty five. Uh, this is the broadest schell Mackenzie Bernardo has departed in free agency. Yeah, needn't mean regardless what you might think they needed line depth, right, Isaac sue Malo? Did I say that right? Did you say it right? Tell me more about the Oregon State. I'm a big fan. I twetered about him the other day because I just finished his report. I think he's

a top three center in this class. But he did play guard last year, so he does bring some position flex. As long as he's healthy, this guy's a top one hundred pick for me. I mean, I think he's that good. He's not the biggest, not the strongest, but he's just Some guys were born to play the position and he was. He's one of them. The way his technique is, the way he sits in a stance, He's able to anchor,

He's able to control the point of attack. I think he's best at center, and I think that he could be a long time starter in this league. To me, I get a top three center. I grated him at as a Again, it matters on the medicals up because he missed all of twenty fourteen with a foot shoe, came back this past year was still getting back into the swing of things. But he's a football lifer. His dad a longtime defensive line coach for several colleges. I

think this guy is the real deal. I'll be interested to see because I had him in the fifth It's where I had him, and he played. I watched him play left tack. What a disparity here. Yeah, no, but that's okay, that's okay, that's what this is all about. It scares me, though, Like it scares me when y'all don't really see eyed eye on Oh no, we see eyed eye on these guys. Well. And he said he's a top one hundred pick. I saw him in the fifth, but he I like, who got him a full fifty

picks later? I just I'm just telling you, though, he's right, though. The guy played left tackle, and he was out of place playing left talk. He was out of place playing left tack. Hit three starts a left tackle down. Yeah, And it's not when they put him inside a guard though, though he is he is a better player. Though. I like your analysis more because I know they need somebody. But I would not like it if they spent a

top one hundred pick on a or lineman. I think no, wait a minute, now, wait a minute, now, let's think about this. What if it is a center, what if it's somebody that we do liked. It's just I think they need to get a center, for a true center first. And you think the guy could play thinking the true center, Yeah, he played center's first two years. Yeah, freshman sophomore year. He to me is freshman sophomore year, he looked like a future All pro as a center. He got hurt

and chosen fourteen miss the entire year. Came back this past year for a brand new coaching staff, and they moved in the guard and left tackle. Yeah, I think he can play guard, but he's best at center. And yeah, to me, it's say you Malow, say what you want about, say you Malow. But he's the guy. I like Glasgow from Michigan. He lives with his grandmother. I like him. I like worries me a little bit because he's tall. He's six sixty six six, gets he plays with great

Now he's a good player. I like him the fourth So I'm with you, all right, we got to go to our last break before we get out of here. Wait we didn't. I got one. I got one for Dane. It's just for Dane, just for Dane. I'm honestly for Dane. I hope that I can stump you. I hope you'll have enough thing for me. Okay, I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry about the time. That's all that's on me. He posted a great forty time at UCLA's prote and I want to know more about Devin Fuller wide receiver.

I think Jordan Payton gets most of the attention, uh and even the tight end. But yeah, if Fuller with that forty time, he's really gonna help himself open some eyes. I was disappointed didn't can see Fuller right the tight end Durante, Yeah, I thought we need There's no way a power of five school is gonna stump thing like he's gonna know him. I don't know. I wasn't. I really wasn't oppressed with him yet. He's fast, but obviously there's a lot more things to the receiver position than

being fast. But with that type of speed, yeah, wouldn't he's shocked if a team takes a chance on him late. You know a guy that can you know, he's not quite Jordan Payton in terms of as a route runner, runner and catching the ball. But he's got the speed. He's me because I hadn't done him. I have done the guy. I mean, is are we just talking about speed here? Like howard his hands? Any? I mean any?

And honestly, I don't even get stress now. I don't even care about his special team's abilities because you have Lucky Whitehead to do that if I mean, you know, so if all he is is fast, well, and for a lot of these guys, you know, you want to separate them with their distinguishing traits. And for this guy at speed because it's hard to get it's hard to hang his hat on his route, running his hands, you know, he's blocking differently. It's it's hard to really say, Okay,

well that's what he does really well. Speed is really the key to his game and making at the next level. Okay, well, we gotta take our final break and then we'll come back. We're gonna take some calls. Dave, thanks again for doing tell me more. It's something that we're going to get into more as we get closer to this draft. So we'll be right back from the SWBC Morgan Studios in

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Everybody in the panel is doing great and if you get to your question, it will be good to go. So you've got it, can't go ahead? All right? Tim and DC? You're up? Okay, guys, I've listened to a little bit of the show and may as well start with a populous question, right, And I got a couple other quick ones too, But so the populous question is everybody seems to think Dallas is not going to go QB early. There's questions if at all they're not going

to go Ezekiel Elliott early. Although that strategy, when you think about it, makes a lot of sense to me because that helps the defense one heck of a lot if you have a fantastic offense like we did two years ago. So having sell that, knowing that you guys are trending that way and it's what everybody thinks, Jerry and the Red Haired Genius are going to do well. Who's the running backs that they're going to target? Is it gonna be that guy Vante Booker Dixon? And on

the quarterback into things? Do you see him going after a developmental prospect in later rounds? Those are the kind of questions I have and and you know, consider this, they could have had David Johnson or Buck Allen last year, both of which proved to be NFL level talents, right, good good running backs. So I don't know that's the progression. I want to hear. What are they gonna do a running back in quarterback? I get that they're going to do all the stuff from defense. I know that's probably

gonna that's gonna eat some of the earlier picks. And then the side note is I heard this last night, literally on the street. I heard the Redskins lifted a scout from the Cowboys office, the front office, somebody, the guy in the second in command behind Will McClay. So I'd love it. Does anybody know the guy's name who that is? Because I can't find it anywhere on the web. I've googled that exhaustively since last night. And this this neighbor of mine works in the Redskin front office, and

he says it's fact not fiction. Okay, thank you very much, appreciate it. Yeah, a lot to digest right there. Yeah, okay, let's cover the the quarterback part of it. Down the line. Guy, I think it would be a mistake to they're not gonna draft a quarterback at think you can say that I would lean toward no. But like I said, I mean day, they're gonna do their due diligence. And I mean Dak Prescott was a guy that we love to talk about. DUI kind of throws a wrench in that.

I don't think it takes him off the board by any means, No, not at all. Um, it's interesting. I'm just I'm gonna go rapid fire with all eighteen of those issues. But I mean, Randy Gregory's the reason why there wasn't a running back taken lot. I think they like their options at sixty. I think Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson. There was one other guy that I think, who am I forgetting? Not David Johnson. But I think there were

two or three guys that they liked at sixty. Yeah, they decided Gregory was too good of an opportunity to pass up. Coleman specifically was gone by the time they came up again. So was so was Johnson. As a matter of fact, they were both gone by the time you get to ninety two. Um, we know they're bringing Derrick Henry here. Yeah, that's that's I mean that's interesting to me. I kind of wrote Derrick Henry off. Maybe that was premature, so Zeke I still think is really

unlikely unless there's some kind of trade. Derrick Henry's a guy to keep an eye on in the second round. And if not that, then you know you're looking at the third round at the earliest. I would guess which but you I mean, if you're picking at sixty seven, I think anybody but probably Henry and Zeke is in play, right right, So take a good chance of take take your pick whichever Booker Dixon, pro Size, whoever they like

the best. That's the route they'll probably go if they If they do that, and I think that's I mean, Hellman is laid it out, Yeah, perfectly. I mean I think that's exactly how they're looking. Uh, sixty seven's a sweet spot for running back. And if they do, then yeah, Booker Dixon if he's still there, pro Size and those are the names that make the most sense. And I

think they all fit this offense. Yeah. Um. And then if they don't in round three then and round four, that's when you know, Jordan Howard maybe, I mean Alex Collins probably be gone. Sure, But I mean, Jonathan Williams is still there could be options. So absolutely they do have some options here if they don't go Henry at thirty four. Un qualities we're talking about. I don't know. I can't predict a lot. I was. I thought they needed a running back last year. They didn't do it

because of Gregory. I would I'll put my savings on the line that they will draft a running back at the top one. Yes, I'll go. I'll go out. I think with one of their first all right, I'll even with one of their first five picks, so one up to one thirty five, one of those two, one of those first five picks will be a running back. I'm I'm very very confident. Hold you do that, Okay, all right, down, Well you got kid? All right? Sean in New York, Sean,

go ahead, Yes, with the number fourth pick. I feel we have so many these needs as a team for a defensident as we know, but as a deep graph we have great coaches, guys, so we should believe in that the fourth pick should be Ezekiel Elliott for him, for him to cover a lot of holes. Any defensive player we pick at four is not going to cover the holes that we have as a team, where Ezekiel, I feel what a couple of more holes that we need because we seem to tind to have success a

couple of years ago. I just said, it seems like the more logic. It don't seem logical because we do a lot of things like the Patrios. You got a cap cap situation under control. We do things. The Patrios do things unconventional. We just need to pick who we like. We've seen Frederick. Everybody gave us hell when we picked him at thirty one. He's our player. Less pick Ezekiel. He'll cover more holes. No defensive player we pick at four is going to cover the holes or make our

defense that much better. Okay, thank you, thank you, Sean. I appreciate the call. Would I would disagree because I love Elliott, But there, if you're in the situation right now with what's going on a defensive end, that's yeah, that's you cannot you cannot look away from that any longer. If if they got Chris Long or they went and got uh, you know, went and got Adrian Clayborne from Atlanta, I would be all over the And I'm not trying to say to pigeonhole. But we were just talking about earlier,

back to back defensive end. You know, I'll go out and say it. It's a critical thing to say. I right now I think they have pigeonholed themselves. Yeah, I don't right now. And you know, free agency is not over. I think they're still talking to Jack Crawford. There's still some guys out there. They were linked to the kid in Oakland, Mayoa. Nothing's done with that. Yeah, that's a

restricted guy too. They're still talking to people, so they could add to the Let's say they bring in Jack Crawford and they sign another end, then maybe you can start talking me into something else again. If I know, I've got guys who can start at end while Gregory waits to come back from suspension. Right but right now today, I think they're stuck where they need a pass rusher right quick. They need a guy who can step into the lineup because they got not a yeah and that

lad Nada. The whole purpose of free agency is to fill your needs. So in the draft you can go best available. You can just worry about adding talent. And the Cowboys are you know, a little bit behind the a ball there but they are you know again, I man, I hate to be the president of the Bosa fan club, but he makes an impact more than just as a as a left end or a right end or wherever you play him. I mean because he helps Lawrence, he

takes pressure off of Lawrence. On the other side, I mean he helps the defensive tackles, he helps a secondary. If you know, if he's drawing double teams, well he's taking attention away from someone else. So I mean, I think he impacts more than just plugging a man at defensive end. Can I can? I I'll be a Sunshine pumper for a second. Try to draw a correlation. Here is Joey Bosa a comparable? I mean, it's not even the same side of the ball, but it reminds me

of Zach Martin. You got a lot of sexier options. You take a rock solid guy. Obvious, Martin's a two time pro bowler, so maybe that's not fair, but I mean in both, I think you're drafting a guy who can start and play from day one. There's no doubt be productive. He's probably not. He's probably not a nineteen or twenty sack guy, and that's why he's not a sexy sounding pick, sure, but I'll take a guy who can start for five at least five, if not eight to ten years. I mean, that's not the end of

the world, you know. And I and I'm I'm president of the of the Zeke fan club too, is me? I'm well on the record, Yeah, that's my top guys. If the Cowboys fans made the pick, it would be Zeke. There's no doubt about it, no doubt, there's no about it. Okay, Ken, what do you got Horse in Atlanta? Probably last one? Yere alright, go ahead, Horse. Hey. You know, I've been looking at the Cowboys draft Hit to Resists twenty ten and they have not drafted well. From rounds four on down.

Um have scored well, you know, in the U three rounds pretty much, which I don't think is really that difficult to do, but you know, the four rounds below they don't do well. So I'm I'm concerned about them moving down from four and trying to get more picks. I'm wondering, can they move up to get you know,

package some of the smaller picks. There's the later round picks to move up to get higher, better quality players and number two you know, you're all talking about Zeke so much like he's like he's Adrian Peterson, But I don't see. I didn't see him have Adrian Peterson type production in college. So I would not try and draft someone at four like and Adrian Peterson. I would, but not him because he just didn't do what AP did in college. Of course, soon would you take it for

we would I take it for right now? Yeah, I would take either Miles Jack or Ramsey. Okay, thank you very much, appreciate your call. Man. Well, and he's not Adrian Peter somebody you know that's not who should be compared to. I mean, I and he had back to back eighteen hundred yard seasons. It's not like production was an issue. I see more of a Frank Gore type of player, which is, you know, a heck of a career if he ends up like that. But he has a point about not hitting on some of these day

three picks in recent years. Oh that's true, hadn't been pretty. It's something that Orlando Scandrick was a five. They need more like that. Yeah, And that's that's about it. That's a big reason for the depth issues right now is because they haven't hit on those later round picks, so it's something that they need to get better on in this draft. But I don't think that means you just punt on Day three. I think it means you just you try your best to get better at it, you know.

I will say this if he's concerned about trading back, if you're trading back from four, you're getting premium picks. You're not getting day three picks. I mean, if they were to trade back day two picks fifteen, you're getting second and third round picks, right, which I feel entirely comfortable letting them use those picks because they've nailed them over the last four or five years. Right. I can't argue that the you know, five to seven has not

been pretty these last few years. But we're right, you're right about that. What are you gonna do? Okay, Well, that's all the time we have for today. Thank everybody for joining us. We appreciate your tweets, your calls, all those things that keep our show going. We appreciate the interaction you have with us every day on Twitter as well. I want to thank Dame Burglar, David Hellman, KNT gears

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