Draft Show: Marking Priorities

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It is Thursday, January eighteenth, twenty twenty four, and we are ninety eight days away from the NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan. Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lyte. Here from the SWBC studios at the Star and Frisco. Nick Harris Brian brought us Aisha Morrison, Zach Wilchuck Chris Bean in the back of Kyle Yeomans.

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So yes, sir, two more extra hours of sleep boom.

Yeah, not nine am for well you have to get up for ten am for talking on Tuesdays.

Yeah, it's just one day.

I can do that.

Yeah, you can make it away, right, we can look.

A little bit of it. He's a you're a night out.

I'm a big sleep guy.

I love that.

Well, don't get used to it because you got draft stuff to watch, you got film to watch. All right, let's talk about the fallout or I don't even know fallouts to write words specifically, but just move on.

Just reaction.

Yeah, Mike McCarthy is staying as your head coach. Jerry Jones put out a statement yesterday saying that he believes that the future is bright with Mike McCarthy as the head coach. He feels like he's close and Brian, I think it does affect the draft significantly because of the relationship that he's had with the personnel department.

No, and they do.

And you know, these the personal departments job to do is to work with every coach and to work with especially the head coach.

Mike McCarthy came from a.

Program, you know, four years ago where in Green Bay, Ted Thompson and the scouts really did the job for him as far as picking players. So Mike's in a new and he's learning, he's learning that he's going to have a say every head coach I've ever worked with here has had that opportunity. Whether you want it or not, you're going to have a say in personnel. So you know,

I'm here for decoration right now. In regards to this conversation, I hope can y'all hear me, Oh yeah, okay, I sound funky, So okay, I just wanted to make sure. Okay. So, But in regards to Mike McCarthy, you know, coming back, I do think it is easy to forget that this is the first year that this offensive scheme has been introduced, and there's you know, some maybe some kinks and stuff they need to work out. I do want to see

Yeah, as it pertains to the drafts, we talked about it yesterday. Whether it's a first year guy coming in or it's a McCarthy coming in or coming back, there's gonna be pressure on.

This draft class.

I think, regardless, they have to go out and prove that they're a little bit better than they were last year. I was actually we were talking about how bad the twenty twenty three draft class was yesterday.

ESPN put out an article yesterday ranking all the draft class. Thirty one Cowboys were thirty two flat last and it was it was by a large margin. So there's going to have to be some sort of bounce back here in twenty twenty four.

I think you have to go in. You got to get a solid first round guy. I think that's priority number one, just based on you know, Mazzie Smith and what happened last year. But also you have to be able to find some guys in Day two, day three and be able to stack.

Momentum in those areas as well.

I mean, you got to bounce back in twenty twenty four, and I think that's a I think there's pressure on McCarthy to do that, pressure on this entire scouting staff.

I feel confident that they'll do that, right. I mean, this is a team that usually they're up in the top ten when we're looking at these lists every year in terms of getting production from your draft class, so you know every team's going to have a bad one. This team just has so much pressure because of how they team build. Everything's really through the draft, right, So I mean this year, I think that a lot of their positions of need it's good. It seems like it'll

That's what I was going to ask. Are there some comp picks that you maybe should get hope.

You're going to get us six? Yeah, they're hope for sure, they're hopeful for two.

Six's best case scenario would be a five six And they think that maybe Noah Brown is going to fall below the line to get another one.

So because it would be for Connor mc govern and for Dalton Schultz, those are your okay compicks?

Well, I mean, this is certainly for another day, But then are you looking at maybe does this team try and trade back a little bit to acquire some an extra third or a fourth at some point in this draft class, because there's a lot of good meat there, especially for linebacker and running back.

I always feel like in a draft, you can you can pull back, you can get an extra third. Somebody will come up and watch your spot drop back. I mean, we've seen there's ways to manipulate the draft in order to get some of those picks that you might need.

And I talked about this a little bit on Talking Cowboys in our Reaction show. On Tuesday. I called in from Indiana and Nick asked me the question, what do you feel like their plan moving forward is? And I said, I don't know. I don't know if they'll keep McCarthy, I don't know if they'll change head coaches. I don't know what they'll do a defensive coordinator. But despite what they end up making the decision for I want to see a considerable plan. I want to see something moving

I think it comes in roster building.

Yeah, I think getting bigger is more specific for the defensive side of the football. But what do we hear Mike talk about this time last year? He wants to run the football? Yeah, he wants the identity of this team to be a run first team. Unfortunately, regardless and if it was personnel, if it was scheme, they were not able to run the football. So I think that's what you're doing. First, you're going to the drawing board and you're saying, okay, and this is also going to

Yeah, I saw a good one last night that Jackson power Johnson from Oregon Holy cheeze.

I mean, I mean hey, and.

We talked about Barton from from Duke as well, But man, I know one thing that powers Johnson when you watched him play there was, you know, and Oregon throws the ball, but you talk about his handle, his area and then get to the second level and play. I do think in the running game it's it's really and and you know, I feel bad for Pollard. They didn't particularly lockwell at center. They weren't particularly good at point of attack, tied end.

But we kind of I know, I.

Thought that he would help in the running game, but they've got to do something thinking about the back and you know, and skip Pete even on the way out of here, told us that that Pollard as the featured guy is not the not the answer here, that you need kind of a complimentary piece to him. So I think if the areas you look at is the center, you look at the running back on two of those offensive positions, for me, is where I would where I would look.

Y'all said it already.

I'm all about trying to figure out how to consistently run the ball and do it well in different ways and how that can open up the rest of your offense. I mean, quarterback is crazy good at play action. You didn't do it that much this year. I wonder why there's just things that you could hit hit easy, buttons on and when you don't have the run game. And then also too, you look at how defenses are playing you. They're playing you like that because they know you can't

I think I think they're going to be really aggressive this offseason. You thought they were aggressive last offseason. Now they have much more pressure. There's a lot of guys that are allowed to be right one run. I think once free agency opens and once they feel like they can make some trades for some guys, there's gonna be some things happen. There's a big time running back that's going to be a free agent this upcoming off season. Wouldn't be surprised if they go crazy on that.

It's a big time linebacker.

Two, there's a couple of them. Yeah, a free agency of course, that'll all hit before the draft. I kind of feel back and forth, but man, you gotta do something and you can't just run it back. And now that you're keeping your head coach, we'll see what happens with the defensive coordinator or the offensive staff.

Yeah, but he needs to be more willing to to to make moves as well. And you know, when you're in, if you're in that kind of that final year of your contract.

You know, you really he's got nothing.

Well, he could lose his job, but he could also lose his job if he doesn't fix the things that we're talking about right now. So he needs to you know, his approach needs to Okay, you're telling me we need to do bring this guy in. Let's do it. Let's bring this guy. You know, when will McClay ask you, how can I help you? How can I help you? He doesn't need to say, hey, I love my team. I love my team. You know when coaches say that, I'm like, I can't help.

You when you love your team, you know.

But I mean, if you, if you give me somebody, if you if you're a position or to I can go hunt for you right now, then maybe we could be ahead.

Of these some of the things that we might be up against.

And we heard that quite a bit at the trade deadline from yeah everybody.

Yeah, yeah, that's here.

Yeah no, yeah, Well the Mike McCarthy prescommor you guys ask him the question. No, we like our guys. As a personal guy, I cry when I hear that, I really do.

I cry.

Ask the question, see if he answers the right way.

And I'm gonna know Brian's.

And the bail the guy with my head on my desk or you know, the Pablo Escobar.

For it.

I had a question, do you do you think it is important though, that going into next year that they figure out what causes them to go the things that they do well when they get in some of these games.

Confused on that area. And it's also one that we would talk about a lot, is when you're injured, like with the offensive linemen going to the game or the weather games, right, you're kind of tweaking your game playing

Type of game.

But I kind of like this team to feel so darn confident and cocky about what they're doing, how we're built, how we're going to go and just kick this team's ass that we're not changing anything for nobody. I don't care if we're playing brock Hoffin and TJ. Bass today. We're gonna line up and we're gonna play our game because this is who we are.

And that's what I mean. It's like the sometimes that would come that's come up this season. Clearly to your point, there's been offensive lineman injuries, there's been injuries with the running backs, there's been stuff that's come up. How can you get to a place to where when those type of things happen it doesn't completely make you negate from who you are as an offense. I think that's really important for them to establish that because guess what other

I think there's a little bit of a self reflection.

Elementary tracking that.

Yeah, that's I guess that's what I'm trying.

To see from a coaching standpoint. A lot of times you don't feel like you changed your game plan, Like if you asked Mike McCarthy in the press conference today, why did you change your game plan? He'd probably say, like, what are you talking about changing our game plan? That was our game plan the whole time. Yeah, the stubborn element of being a coach in the league and kind of the way that it happens. He's got to realize, Okay, we got out of it a little bit.

We backed out of it.

We maybe backed off the way that we shouldn't have, both offensively and defensively. I mean, if I'm Mike McCarthy and I'm looking at Dan Quinn running zone on the headset all game long, I'm getting on the headset myself and saying, what are you doing?

Go back to playing man? Did what worked for you all year long?

You got to find maybe accountability within your staff and accountability within yourself first before you even make a change in terms of your game plan and backing off of it.

It's a therapy session, it is.

Yeah, a little bit. All right.

We want to get to some names here real quickly before we get into twitter. On the twenty we were talking about offensive weapons, right, we were talking about running back offensive line. Are there any guys we didn't mention a ton of wide receivers and tight ends yesterday, pass catchers that you've watched so far that have caught your eye, and somebody that you can.

Maybe add to this team.

I wouldn't say necessarily first or SEC, because I think there's other positions of need. But if there's the best player available, what would it be. Is there anybody out there?

I'm gonna let y'all go further.

There's a ton of good receipver.

He looks like she's ready to.

I got one, go for it.

Who's your person?

Listen?

Okay, don't don't get don't don't make fun of me. If you take we're going to be We're not.

I'm not gonna take it. Because you mentioned tight end in the back. When I looked at this player, I said, he's a little bit of both in this weird way. Jean Bell f s U South Carolina Transfer.

Uh huh.

He's six three, two thirty nine. When I wrote down, I said, this is a running back with like optimal size, And you know what's insane is like I'm gonna throw up when I say it. But when I saw him, I was like, dang, he would look good at san friend because he has that.

That versatility to him.

But it's the truth. It's the truth. But I was just looking at his burst. He has good vision because he has experienced, uh he's played multiple spots. He's played multiple spots.

Uh.

I mean also too when he gets the balls and hit the ball in his hands. He has good vision and his speed is steady, but it's not top level. He has the yacability, like I said, and on him being undersized might be a problem for people who consider him like he's supposed to be a tight end, but when you look at him and he's using like when he's running the ball, he looks like a running back.

He's just big.

And so I guess one of the things you will maybe worry about is maybe some of the block and ability and stuff like that. But he's kind of that weird tweener type guy that you could get some production from.

And I just like his game. I like his game.

And to your point, he's like not second third round, you know, maybe late third round, maybe fourth of you decide to do that. I haven't done all the stacking and stuff, but he just stood out to me because I feel like you could do some tight end stuff with him, but you can also do some like running back out the backfield type stuff with him as well. So I was just interested by him. It was one of my guys I was interested in list.

I love Jaeen bell Call. He was one of those guys I watched last year then decided to go back to school. And I mean, I think that you described him perfectly there.

Personally.

I mean, he's a Swiss army knife. The dude you can line up all over the place, right, And you're right, because he did play some running back at South Carolina. And then I think that Florida State did a great job of getting the most out of it. If I'm looking at there's a lot of wide It's interesting the wide receiver. We were talking last year, this is your kind of krusty scouting class. This year you got big, tall.

Long, I said, this is I said, Michael Mayor, is that you man?

I mean you go from Ady Mitchell, Troy Franklin, Brian Thomas junior, LSU guy, these are big six foot four, I mean even starting at the top with Marvin Harrison junior, Kean Coleman. But I think the guy for me that I do think is interesting, that is a body profile that is different from what this team currently has. Xavier Lagette, the wide receiver from South Carolina six three two twenty seven, kind of has a similar build to like an AJ Brown.

Yeah, I'm gonna go with the guy. And I was worried.

You came very close to taking the guy, but I'm staying at Florida State. I'm going with Johnny Wilson. Oh, so this is this is an.

Interesting sounds like a Nick Harris prototype.

A big fan of lip Key.

Ye little bit A couple guys like the little big type, but I like that.

So Johnny Wilson, he's a guy that's going to be a type type hybrid.

It depends on whatever team drafts him, what.

They want to do with him. What would you do six ft seven, two hundred and thirty seven pounds. I would bring him in the building and work him out a lot of areas and training camp.

And figure it out.

That's what I would do six six foot seven, so that they line him up. Yeah, they line him up out wide and he had four hundred and eighty nine snaps lining up out Why this year only fifty lined up in line. So they love to throw it up to him and man, can he can he go up and grab it? You have a Jahim Bell that's a six foot three type tight end and they're comfortable with that.

I think that speaks more to what Bell can do.

Actually, but you Loick Wilson does as well on the outside, being able to line up on either boundary and be able to do what he does. It's pretty impressive if you went to Calabasas High School there in North LA, so you know he comes from a little but anything anything you can look at when you see from Johnny Wilson, it's it's really impressive. He's if you're looking for a red zone guy, he is mister red zone guy in this draft. I'm one thousand percent just throw it up

So if he lays down, he.

Looked like run into a long strider forty.

He's a very long strider.

If he can lay down a time like that, he's gonna sneak into the second round. I think I think that would obviously hurt Cowboys chances, But I think right now, this is the third round guy that I think you could possibly target if you were looking for, you know, that big body type receiver.

You're not gonna find a bigger body than this one.

Kenny Block.

See, there's not a lot of tape on that because he's he's more so on the boundary. But there are plays where they're running Tray Benson out to the to the wide set and and he's he's out there doing his things.

So, uh, what kind of scene.

Man.

He's gonna be a fun project for whoever drafts him. I think again it's a training camp type project. But one thing for certain, you could throw it up to him inside the twenty and he's gonna come down and grab it.

I like it.

I feel like I jinxedus. Listen if Sam Fran gets Shahiem Bell, Oh.

No, please, you can manifest talk about that. I wouldn't mind it yet. I'd love it if the Awboys rafter Jeem Bell, they can do a lot with him.

Yeah, what do you think, Brian?

Have you watched him?

No?

I have not, Okay, I can't wait.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I did watch a guy. If you're going to trade.

Back in this draft in the first round, if you want to pick up a third round pick, you know, maybe dance back a little bit.

I'm gonna give you an offensive tackle that I looked at last night.

Jordan Morgan from Arizona.

And the reason I say this because I think Morgan could play guard, but I think he could play tackle if you want to keep if something happens where you move on from Tyron Smith.

There Jordan Morgan to me, he's starting left tackle for the Walkcat.

As a matter of fact, he wears number seventy seven, and there's things that he does that reminds me of Tyron Smith. He's six five, he's three hundred and twenty five pounds, and there is no wasted motion or movement in his game at all. I mean, this guy gets away from the line, well, he strikes you right off the set.

He carries his hands, he tends to carry.

Him a little low, but then all of a sudden, man there there boom and then the spot and stopping his guy. He's got some rare change of direction to his game. He never appears off balance or out of position. Uh swift, the lateral bursts, the movement, great job of staying in position.

This is one of those guys I kind.

Of feel like though that if you you move back in the draft, and maybe some people will like him more than some others, because I know there's some people that are projecting some of these other tackles, like our guy from our guy from a Guidon from Oklahoma.

I've seen him.

Kind of in some mock drafts, being Tyler Guidon from Oklahoma TCU transfer Yeah give.

Me was one of the most difficult kids to cover high Yeah give me.

Yeah give me Morgan over Geydon all day, all day. And I know there are people that have, like I said, they've seen some mock drafts. But Jordan Morgan is a guy that you're gonna you're you're gonna learn about him. And I hope that you see what I see in this.

Kid, Jordan Morgan. He's a senior Bowl guy. I'll be looking out for him.

Yeah, please do he may he may. I think he is. He is is. I mean he is. His technique sound perfect in.

The way he sets, and you know I talk about Tyron Tyron Smith sets and he could still just yeah, And maybe it's because a kid wears seventy seven.

It just kind of makes my eye look right the right way.

Hey, he played in the PAC twelve.

It's one last offensive tackle from the PAC twelve.

But I tell you what I love that center. I love that center from Oregon. By the way. Yeah, if you're if that, it's gonna it's gonna be close close.

His name is Powers.

Yeah.

Pretty okay, a little bit more context Johnson.

I mentioned it yesterday, but he's played four of the five offensive line positions up front for Oregon in the last two seasons.

Go back to the twenty twenty one Alamobile.

They had a lot of defensive linemen that had entered the portal or had already declared early for the NFL Draft. They're playing Oklahoma and the Alamobile he flips over to defensive tackle and gets three tackles in that game. Was a huge run stopper for them. It comes from a Corner Canyon High School in Draper, Utah. There's only two high schools in Utah that put out talent. That's one

Offensive line talents.

This guy's mean, you can do a lot of things.

And Barton from those are mean guys.

Barton is for sure.

Tell me about with powers Johnson is he puts power. He puts so much power in front. Sometimes he leaves his feet. He's gonna get thrown down a couple of times in training camp. He's been like, Okay, I can do that here. But I think that'll be I think that'll be a little bit of a learning Yeah, him over here.

I thought, well, first of all, when you talking about Jordan Morgan, I was dying laughing when I went and looked at his picture because I said, Terry Steele, okay.

But college photos look especially similar.

They're very similar. I looked up the fact that we're talking about multiple sport athletes. He used to do shot put, and when you look at how he plays and stuff, I actually just went to look at what shotput requires from a person, and it requires you to have proper technique, strength, power, speed and rhythm. You see that a lot in his play. And when you bring up the fact that he does things like tiring, I actually think that if he was earlier in his anchor, he would be even filthier. Sometimes

He carries his hands so low.

Yes, that like if you got him right there, you're kind of ready for that. But he'll kind of weigh in that guy and then it's like he baits you in and then it's.

Bammed yeh on you absolutely yea. Once he gets his hands on you, it's pretty dead in the water.

And Will McClay has really been adamant about two sport athletes in the past. He really likes the fact that he has two sport athletes in these feet, especially on the defense of an offensive lines. All right, we ran over. We're coming back with Twitter on the twenty right after this.

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Some Twitter on the twenty Twentytty good. It's good, I like it.

I dook the echo for you, all right.

We got to.

Blow through this real quick.

All right, there are some mood questions. The first one this year, the position groups across the board feel wide open? Says uh, is this Rico Swabe? Oh no, no, no, it's Raina tweets this in says position groups and position opens are wide open. Do you feel like it's more wide open than years past in terms of where these positions rank across the board in the NFL draft class.

I don't know as far as comparing it to years past, but I will say there is quite a I think the jury still out on what even like the top five position groups would be. I think we're going to get a lot of certainty out of out of these Bowl games here in the next couple of weeks, though.

You think it always plays a factor these All Star games as much as absolutely?

Yeah, I think when it's you see the good on good competition, and you also see you have hands on and then you'll see you'll see the competitive guys out there.

You go to the Senior Bowl. The practices.

One of the greatest Senior Bowl practices I ever was is Zach Martin, you know, Aaron Donald going at it. I mean, you stood there and watched those one on ones and you could have drafted both those players off just that one off, one on one drill right there. So those bowl games mean a lot to a lot of these scouts.

Yeah, I do think that this is a special offensive tackle class compared to years past. It is really deep, and I think the top two guys for sure Fashanu from Penn State and Alt in Notre Dame. I mean, I think teams are going to alternate, like which one do they see as the better one? I think yeah, al for Joe Alt. I think Joe Alt might have the more upside and potential. I don't think he's quite

Yeah, last year in the receiver class, you had the deer, and this year you have the Gaels.

Yes, yeah, it's a lot the deer in the gazelle.

Yeah. I mean even so when you look at the you know, obviously this is my second year, so it was just like looking at the difference and even what is available running back, It's like, yeah, dog, like this is not what last year was at all, and even a linebacker is like, I mean, this guy's it's like maybe five ten guys that I'm like, Okay, these guys can really go out there and they can be ready. But it's just it's it's changing. It's interesting to see how much has changed.

This next season.

EJ. Savage says, what position, by the way, quarterback? Oh, I think, oh yeah, I think quarterbacks.

Yeah it is.

I think this is a good quarterback class. I really don't.

I think it's a little top heavy though. I think you have the guys at the top that are really solid and really good. But once you lie in the middle rounds, I'm a little.

I've been a drafting before where there's one quarterback. Yeah, if that's fair, If you give me five quarterbacks to look.

At that that's the thing is if you can get six or seven drafted quarterbacks that have a chance to play, that's a good class.

And I think this class has six or seven like that.

E J.

Savage says, what position, separate of need pushes the neat needle the most for the Dallas Cowboys, which one would move the needle the most back and forth? I guess you could say quarterback. But that wouldn't necessarily happen immediately. That would happen down the road. So he's had a side from positions, says separate of need, but just in general, what position group would would move the needle for you.

I don't think they're doing anything at quarterback because of Lance. Yeah, they made their deal on.

They spin a fourth round pick.

Yeah, that's that's Lance. That's you're not going to draft a quarterback. H No. But moving the needle though without the need because we.

Did I would say receiver.

I would say receiver getting a big bodied receiver, I mean because of how good I mean technically, it is a need, but I don't think that's one of the top four positions we're looking at whenever we look at needs in this draft.

But they go and get a big edge. Yeah, like a really outage but like also really physical.

Yeah yeah yeah. Corner maybe, I mean you bring some depth to corner.

Stefan Gilmour specific if he's not healthy going into it, do you want to keep him around.

Jordan Lewis is coming out too, So one thing we've proven here is corner.

A guy coming off injury needs to about week nine before he starts yeah, Yeah.

I'm gonna say tight end another one.

You always like the tight end.

I'm saying tit. Obviously, I think you need someone to consistently pair with ferg that's gonna help you in the passing game. I don't know if Spoon is gonna develop to that. Maybe he can, like that's whatever, But with John Stevens, we don't know what he's gonna be like coming back from Aco. Also to what happens with Peyton Hendershot.

There's freak shows.

I mean Jatavian Sanders obviously we know well went to Dent and Ryan here locally. Kate Stover I ended up watching last year. He went back. That's another big bodied receiver that can block in line that also is going to catch in the football. But safety, for me, every safety that I've watched so far pretty solid. Kinchins from Miami. Tyler Nuban is a guy that thought about coming out last year that I saw. Really watched him again the other night out of Minnesota. Really good player like him

Well, and does the safety prototype change for this team if dan Quinn's not your defensive coordinator very well?

Could absolutely?

Yeah, absolutely, yeah, just.

With how many dbs that they like to run, the hybrid roles that they try to have, because if you have a if you have dan Quinn in the building, then you're looking at, you know, a day two, day three guy like Jalen Simpson out of Auburn who has that hybrid ability. And if not, then maybe you're looking for that true safety type ability, a guy like Tyler Newban.

I mean, he would have to be a second round Tye guy.

Right.

I think he's I think he's the best run defender dB in this class.

Yeah, I think, best combo and he can also cover.

Yeah, he's he's really really strong and Ryer right.

Off the Yeah boom you well, I haven't seen him yet. No, that's what I'm saying.

Well, Chuck, like he texts me at all weird hours of the night like, Hey, I'm watching this Minnesota kid man.

I think he's great. And that's all he says. You know, it's just like it's just like it random thoughts. I love that. That's what that's what draft seasons at all about. That's what it's all about. All Right.

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