Draft Show: Looking For An Edge

is once again time for another episode of the Draft Show. Hello, I am David Hellman, like the Big Voice guy said, I'm joined by Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeoman's coming in hot. Hey Kyle, how are you doing? Hey guys, how's it going? Forty nine days? Yeah, and I know that Kyle's usually our draft counter guy, but Adam Schefter

tweeted yesterday that at fifty day that's why. That's the only reason why I knew that just give me chills, kind of like how I said when it was March at the Combine and Dane was sitting right there and he's like, I just had a chill go down my spine. That's what That's what forty nine days just to set sneaking up on you are determined to say that name within the first minute of every show, and I come here for it. I'll be honest, I kind of hate it,

but at this point we're going to commit to the bit. Yeah, I want to talk to you. I want to talk about a few things, but I couldn't help but laugh. So we were having a right after the show on Tuesday, we had a content meeting about just everything that's going to happen over the next month and a half. We get in trouble, No, not at all yet. The Draft show is the best thing going on this platform. Are

you kidding? No? We were just all right. We were talking about everything we want to do in the build up to the draft, and me and Kyle are sitting here like, all right, there's some good pro days. We could go to. What's nearby? What are some schools that have a lot of good players, And we both kind of settled on Oklahoma and Kyle pulls up, he pulls up like the website where all these dates are listed, and we're like, oh, it's tomorrow. Yeah, oh yeah, it

already happened. Yeah it happened Wednesday. Arkansas. Has happened yesterday, Nick Benito, let's see how he did it pro day. I'm absolutely I'm flabbergasted, Brian, and I think I know your answer, but like, what is going on? We just got done with the Combine on Sunday afternoon, and like two pretty big programs have already had their pro day.

Treylan Burke's decided to stand on his combine forty time, and at first I was like, well, that's kind of whimpy, and then I realized his pro day was three days later, Like what's the point? How much better can you conceivably get? Asked the Wisconsin guys, did you see what happened at their pro day? I have no clue. I want to know if they were running downhill, if the three cone was a two cone, they all get like, mysteriously way better.

So their linebacker, Leo' channel he if you take the agilities, he did it pro day with forty in the jumps that he did at the Combine, Leo'shanelle is the most athletic prospect in the history of linebacker. He ran a three nine four short shuttle, so he just ran Mica Parsons out of the wat He ran a six nine three cone like he and I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna wait until like Dane or Brian or somebody gets

numbers from teams. Yeah, because these I feel like these are the numbers that Wisconsin was putting out, like, hey, our linebacker coach had him at three nine. I'll tell you what, there's nothing better than self promotion there. Well, yeah, there's nothing better, no, you know. And yeah, that's we'll get those those sheets and stuff and kind of get them taken care of. Is this is this just all about scheduling? Is that why we're doing this? Well, I

think a lot of it has to do that. A lot of these players feel like that they're in the best shape there are right now, you know, and and they want to go ahead, and they don't want to wait another two or three weeks to have a pro day, and so because they're worried about Okay, they went through all that at the combine, but they're feeling like, you know, hey, I'm ready to go. If I had to train or train anymore, I don't know if I could do it, you know, might as well done. Get it out of

the way. There's a lot of these teams though, that are working on the schedules of NFL teams because you don't want to se There was a run there where all these quarterbacks were getting going on the same day, and the pro the teams were like, listen, no, please help us. You know, work work with each other here, you know, and schedule these days apart. But I think you have a lot of guys that are like, listen, I'm ready to work out right now. I might have

had a bad combine. Maybe you want to get that taste out of your mouth. If you had a bad combine, did you kind of feel like that you can go and kind of improve on some things, you know, when you're in your own backyard. See I go ahead. There's not a ton of a big time pro days coming up over the next couple of days. There's Indiana, Texas, Tulsa, Texas State next week Monday, that Leicester, Michigan has a pro Day at some point. I love that Texas is not a big time in pro DA mark this year.

I know when the combine, when the combine was earlier, March twelfth used to be the big day, like everybody that was like the day that like when the combine was over. You waited a couple of weeks, and then boom, March twelfth was the day that everybody kind of started the combine. Is that a day set in stone? Normally

it just was funny. It's funny how like the league year, you know when certain things are going to happen or certain things are going to start, and it just always seemed like that the biggest pro days were all of them were on March twelfth, and then you worked from there. In my head, and I think of it in the opposite of like Treilon Burkes is a great example, like maybe not a terrible forty. I think we had two of them, right, did you go? You go four five

five four five? Oh yeah, okay, that makes if you split his times, it's like a four or five two, which again like not a terrible forty. But no, just I'm just I'm bringing him up because, like I said, like, how much work can you really do between like Saturday? Just want to get it done. So I look at it the opposite way where it's like maybe I want three weeks to work on whatever. I was disappointed stress, I think distress. I think these kids just want to

get a lot of this done. I think the combine is super stressful now because they at this thing on TV. You know. The one thing about it is the players do have the ability with their phones and stuff to now know their times. There used to be a time where these guys would run forties, and even the guys down on the other end, the timers, the hand timers wouldn't tell them what their time was. You know, they always kind of wondering. You know, nobody had an idea

of what they just ran. So now they know. And that's why you see a guy like with Jordan Davis, like he runs one one forty, you know, he runs it for seven eight or four eight one wherever you want to call the time, and he's like and someone calls him on his phone or text him like, bro, don't run again. Stop the NFL, and the NFL's Twitter account is eating all yeah, exactly, you now know exactly

what how your workout win. And I think there's I think the stress level for these players is so much that they just want to get it over with and then be able to move on. If you know, if position coaches want to go roll in there and work them out, that's one of the reasons the advantages are working at the combine that if you do have a good combine with the measurable stuff, the timings and things do you could just beg out and say no, if you want to send the receiver's coach in here to

work me out, I'm all good with that. Or you wants to send a running backs coach in, I'm good with that. But the pressure of having to go and try and make up for some of these things is big. Did you guys need to go to Georgia? Oh? I know, Georgia's next Wednesday. That's Georgie's high flying to Atlanta and go do it. Alabama is on the thirtieth. That's the other really really big What day is Alabama? Is it? How close it is Wednesday? So it's uh, how many days?

Two weeks from yesterday, two weeks from two weeks after Georgia. Okayan, Brian's a sucker. He wants them all to be back to back. That's what I'm saying. I was trying to get you. I would you want to rent a car in Athens and drive exactly exactly? That's what I want to do. Yeah, that's what I want to. I want to I want to go all the way to I want to go all the way to Athens and then I want to work my way back and I'm hopeful

that I can hit. I hopeful I can hit uh hit Georgia Alabama and then maybe LSU and then roll this in. Jeff, you're self employed. Now, how's that sound? No, non's awful. Hey, Auburn Auburn Tuesday. Everybody subscribed to my YouTube page and need more money. You could go Auburn Tuesday. Then you got Georgia on Wednesdays, the South Carolina's Friday. Jeff, like, we're ready, we'll be here. I'm telling you, man, you want to live stream the whole thing. I swear I'll watch.

I'm sure you want to feel like I was there, that they'll put it on your chain. It's seriously though, I mean, I remember going a couple of times when when you and I went to Texas and Texas A and m that one time and did that thing. And I've been like I've been to like the Johnny manziel Ones and things like that. There's things you could get. Dane and I went to Oklahoma to watch Joe Mixon. We watched Connor Williams entire workout exactly month before you

got picked here. Yeah, which I can hear the snarky comments already. It's happening me, spare me. They're popping up, all right. It's something to keep an eye on. They're gonna be happening sporadically throughout the next month. The NFL network puts a lot of them on TV. All those quarterback ones you'll see, well maybe not this class. I

don't No, they will because there's nothing else content. When the NFL realized that they had a channel where they could throw any meaningless football on in the offseason and get people to watch. Yeah, it'll be there. I don't want to talk about that for the entire first segment. I actually I had a thought, and it's early. I mean, we'll get we talk, we talk about everybody. That's the goal. At least we'll get more into the weeds as the

draft gets closer. I assume it feels a little bit repetitive to talk about the first round guys, but I do. There's one position that I would like to get into today that I feel like, of the major ones for the Cowboys, we have paid less attention to. And it's ironic because a lot of people think it's the deepest position in this draft. Is the edge rushers? Why because they're gonna get drafted so quickly that every time that's

actually what I want to talk about. Yeah, I mean, every time you want to pick one, you're like, all right, let's take this second round edge. I wake this third round guy? Can you And I think I understand what he's doing here, because think about this, it might be the deepest position, but it might have the most questions and they go fast, Well, but did you think about that?

The questions about Thibodeau, the questions about is really Hutchinson, this guy, you know, Carloftus where I mean, I've seen people pick him all over the board. Gray Walker is all of a sudden, is Walker now the the guy that everybody's going, Man, this is the safest guy. This guy's the best. I mean, because they're starting to talk about people saying that Walker over Carloftus, over Thibadeau, over

all these things. I know Dane Brugler has talked about that a bunch, and I wonder if it's the one position. A jobo is another one of the Michigan kids always talking about Jermaine Johnson has been one of those guys that's been a fast riser. It's the position. It might have the most, but it might have the most questions of their top guys. I think the only thing I feel confident about right now is that Aidan Hutchinson will be a top three pick. Read it could be there too.

He could could be. But see, I've a good point. But people are starting five. People are starting to ding him for this personality traits and stuff like that, you know, And and that's always interesting because you know, are you trying to drive a guy down? I mean there's people talking about like the guys that might fall him. I mean I mean fall I'm not talking about all the way down the board, him Stingy, another guy from LSU

the corner. I mean the people are talking. They these were guys that were sure fire top three players or so, and now people are talking about him somewhere between, you know, between seven and twelve, seven and fourteen, which like that. The inspiration for this talking point was for our draft magazine. You know, they make they make me do a first round mock, which I'll be honest, I hate because especially in Dude, I'm going home to do a mock right after the love they are the worst? No, are you

doing a full thirty two team mock? Yeah, but the computer is gonna pick the other thing exactly. The other thing about it too, is is it a full thirty two team mock? And is it a month in advance and you have it set in stone for everybody to read for the rest of time. Yeah, it's great. No, because I will do thirteen thousands. You get a chance to do it again. Want to simulate your last one

should be your best one? That mess with it. Deciding what all thirty two teams are going to do before free agency opens and having it be in a magazine a month from now is just my favorite. Give the Cowboys, Evan Neil, just be optimistic. Yeah. The reason I bring it up is so I'm doing this mock and I'm like, Okay, Hutchinson's like he's going number two. That's just too easy. Thibodeaux. I think I'm a higher on him than a lot

of people are. He's a top five pick. And then the rest of this and you know, like you go around the internet to get inspiration, like you want to see what others knowledgeable people are saying Dane's I mean, Dane is gospel as far as I'm concerned, And like every mock you look at, it's just a completely different situation. Like Dane's got Trevon Walker in the top six. Somebody else has George karloftis in the top ten. Meanwhile, Dane's got Carloft this like sixteen. So just help me sort

this thing out. I'm fascinated. Do the Cowboys have a chance at a Carloft this or a Treyvon Walker or somebody else that I'm not thinking of David Ajabo, Brian, you're scared of him? Like, give me some direction here, somebody, I would say, you can't have Aidan Hutchinson, you can't have Cavon Tibodau, you can't have Trayvon Walker. The tough

part is which one do you put next? You probably can't have Jermaine Johnson because I do think out of my top six guys, because those are four of the top six, the other two would be George Carlotas at Purdue and David Ojabo at Michigan. But those two I

think have more physical questions than the other four. Right, Like Hutchinson athletically stud Thibodeau, Stud Walker Stud Jermaine Johnson, good athlete and can play the run and pass rush, whereas David Ojaba is more as a rookie I think can rush the passer with natural ability, but not a totally well rounded, going to play seventy percent of the snaps guy. And Karloftis is the one of that group that has the short arms, not as athletic as the other guys, but his tape is as good as some

of them. So I would say maybe you have a chance at David Ojabo at Michigan or George Karloftus at Purdue. The other four I think no, And that's why I struggle with this edge class. Sorry, let me assume a power stands, because I feel like all six will be gone, yeah wow, And I think then you're gonna be looking at this. I think offensive tackle an edge are going

to go, go, go, go, go go. And so then when you want to take an edge, you're going to be talking about a guy that I'm going to think is the fiftieth best player in the draft because it's a premier position and they go quick, and so you'll be at twenty four and it's like, hey, who's your best edge, And I'll be like in Nick Bare, the South Carolina guy, and it's like, all right, where you got him ranked? And I'm like, oh, he's like the

forty eighth best player in the draft. And that's how past rush works, So I would I just can't see a scenario where they're taking an edge at twenty four unless George Karloftis or David Ojabo makes It would take a fall for it to happen. Because you mentioned those top six guys. Those are my top six as well.

But then there's kind of a drop off between those first round talented or first round quality edge rushers, and then you've got the my j Sanders from Cincinnati, Drake Jackson from usc In nag Bare from South Carolina, all kind of in a bunch that's gonna work its way toward the second round. But even at fifty six, it's the same problem because because it's a premier position, because the Abacades from Penn State, they're gonna go early too.

They may all be top fifty players, the top ten edge rushers might not even be on the board when you get there. When fifty six rolls around, Brian, you kind of went when you heard Drake Jackson, Well, yeah, some of those names, it's kind of like that. I don't even want him, Yeah, not even close there. Let him No, No, I mean I'm not saying because of you, because meat just person count on Jeff to be a little reckless. No. The thing with trade jack Jackson day three,

That's what I'm saying. I can He'll go fifty six. I got to look a third round grade on him. Sanders the same way. You know, I just weren't the South Carolina kid. I wasn't really Yeah, not Barre. Yeah. I mean you just say the school and we'll handle the names. You just I can't say, you know, I can't say some of these names. But I mean there was something cla tight end again. No, that was a disaster. That was bad. What's his name, du Dulcitch. There's a

line trays in so that's like a done. Can't say Dulcich say the same thing. I'll say one thing. He's he's a really good player. That's a good player. He's a good player. But that's what I'm saying. Though these these I think there's for as deep as that position is, there's a lot of questions. There's a lot of questions about it, and you might have to over draft some of these guys that that and you're gonna go, oh, here we go, you know, the minute they don't play, well,

I'm gonna take boy a muffet four. I'll tell you what man, freak athlete. He is a freak athlete. He really really from what's twenty Minnesota And like I have him as like a third round guy and I'm watching people mocking him. Oh no, that's he can sneak into the first because he's a pass rusher. Yeah, with and he's a freak like the David ojabo ish tools where it's like, oh yeah, bigger guys, super athlete. Yeah. I know better than to ask this question because I've covered

the draft for a while. But again, you talk about karloftis maybe short arms, lack of athleticism, the the book on a job, Like anytime somebody brings up a jabo, that's just that he's raw, that he's limited in what he can do. Is there any chance that those guys don't get overdrafted because there are offensive linemen or receivers that people feel more sure about, like is it and because we fall into this trap every year where we're like, oh, he's he's gone because he rush as the passer. Maybe

is that premature? Is it possible that those guys are hanging around in your arrange maybe more so than in other years because there are questions about them. Maybe, but I do. It's just it's such a premier thing. And the reason that the hyper athletes are going to be the guys that are going to go off the board quickly is because more and more quarterbacks get the ball

out in two and a half seconds. So if you're going to sack the quarterback, show me in practice that you can do that within two point three seconds, and I'll get you on the field. So these twitched, powerful lower body bendy dudes, even if they're not complete players on tape, even if they didn't have eight or ten sacks in a college football season, you watch that workout and you go, I can get him home. I can't.

Like you show me a six foot five, two hundred and seventy five pound defensive end who's a good run player and who runs a seven four three cone in a four eight forty, and it's like, I don't know if I can get him home. I can get boy a mofe home as soon as I teach them how to play. Yeah, it's terrifying. That's that's it. I'll tell you what I mean. I talk about the defensive end position. Some of these guys, I think the wide receiver crews some of that A little bit too scared about some

of these guys. I guarantee you at the end of when we get ready to go to draft, when we saw sit down on that Thursday night, right, I guarantee you, everybody will have a different list of their top five wide receivers. I guarantee you. I guarantee you that, and and and the questions you're gonna have where I love a guy like Pickings from Georgia, Jeff will love sky Moore. You know they'll they'll get But see, that's what I'm saying, though everybody is going to have I don't think you

can find a consensus on this wide receiver class. I really and because to me, you know, everybody wants to talk about the Olavees and the Wilsons and the Londons and the Minchie's. People were asking me about Minchi and they're like second round. Really, you know, I'm like you watched him play, you know, but there's people out there that like they do they do you know they Yeah, that's the thing about it is they still have problem throwing to him every single third down. Yeah. See that's

the that's the thing. I mean, you look through this whole draft, I'm starting to learn that maybe these defensive tackles are pretty much like, maybe that's the best route to go because with the exception of Lyle from Texas A and M, I think we all kind of understand what Davis is, what why it is. Travis Jones, you know from Yukon. People are kind of talking about him a lot. I think him mocked in the first round

the other day, bug or yesterday. And see that's what I'm saying, you know, you know matthis, I mean there's guys like there's maybe that's the one group that you're you're kind of like saying, man, I know what these players are, but you're in these other first round guys you might not be as you might not be as is really locked in as you need. You're like, oh, man, I hope this guy's it. I hope That's what I'm

kind of learning about. Another pick in this draft by the way, like you think we were forgetting somebody that, I just think to find another page another between our one and two. I thought we need to find another pick because I'm looking at like my corners and my safeties, and I'm like, you know what's gonna happen in this draft is the guys who you'd love will be gone before your first round pick. And guy, I was trying to get it gone before your second round pick and

extra pick to get one of these. Was on the radio yesterday. I was trying to get Jacksonville to give me thirty three for what for Amari Cooper's I think that's rich. Actually we have a question about that. Well, no, if I was trying to flip spots, I was trying to go from fifty six to thirty three. I was just trying to use him as a move into two piece. I wasn't trying part of him. Yeah, yeah, you're giving you're you're giving Jacksonville your Amari Cooper and your second

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I need to actually go figure. I remember that I've got to do the twitter on the twenty drop, but not the read. But yeah, liberty tax, and also being while we're at I just throw the drop. Do you know what time it is? The second segment we take your questions? I teased it in the first segment because Kaide asked the question. He actually he specifically asked about adding an extra three for Amari Cooper. But we can take this wherever you want. He I mean, how would

that change your draft strategy? I guess A does it make you feel better about I think what we all agree is something we wouldn't be thrilled about. Yeah, and be I guess what do you think a realistic way to get something for him? And Brian you kind of yeah, we did. We did a segment yesterday about it, and I was I was just trying to kind of find some spots, you know, maybe you go some big jumps, some teams that need the Jets were looking. We were

talk about Jacksonville, I visit with Jacksonville about a Maury Cooper. Anyway, there's teams that are looking at him as a possibility where you do trade for him and then you redo the contract. There's people that don't want to fight for the guy. I mean, they don't want to fight. They don't want him to get released, and then all of a sudden it turns into a fight and we have to overpay and all. Yeah, so the bidding war. They

want to avoid that. So I was trying to kind of find some spots, and I think my history of doing this and when chum in the water is sometimes you could get people interested if you say, listen, we'll still let you pick in the round. You don't have to give us the pick. Here's the player. Let us come to your spot. So if you want to go up six falls to fifty six and Jackson, yeah, yeah, you get you get Amari Cooper, you're still picking in

the second and then and then here we go. We saw yesterday with the deal with Carson Wentz, Washington and Indie flop picks in the second round is what they did. So now Indie comes up, Washington goes down, you get the player and all that. So I'm just trying to make it is. I'm trying to I'm trying to create an opportunity here, because sometimes you say, hey, we want a two for the guy or a three for the guy. Teams will balk at that. They're like, no, we're not

interested in doing that. But if you say, listen, I'll let you have the player. Just let me, let me have the difference in the spots. That is such a great place to be though, And thirty three is like your favorite pick in the draft. It is. It absolutely to hang out on Thursday night and field calls used to it used to be when the draft just kind

of went on, you just kind of rolled in. But then the next day, when you we have the way television does the draft, now we talk about at day one, then what do we do to end that first night of the draft? Who are the best players you got available? That's the last thing you're gonna ask Jeff, You're gonna ask me, ask Kyle, yes day whoever you're gonna ask. And you say, who do you got left? I still got a first round guy on the board. I still got you know, And so teams could reset their board.

But I was like, it's funny, what Jeff was saying, you know, think about picking at twenty four and then picking again at thirty three. I like that. That to me, See, that's that's the thing that he was just talking about, that you can knock out a couple of different positions quick. Just looking at fifty six. Some names of a couple mock drafts around here. Travis Jones, that's not gonna happen. He's gonna be early on. It's not gonna happen, though.

Drake Jackson we just mentioned him from USC Cameron Thomas from San Diego State, David Belle, Isaiah Spiller. I know all these are all just names out every person you've named exactly, but then you go up to thirty three and you've got Trent McDuffie, Davis Daxton Hill, Yeah, Jaquon Brisker. That's what Dan picking. That's what Dane did last night when Jeff and I were on a show on his channel, we talked about that, and I truly I'm like Dane,

I didn't hear Das Hill. And then sure enough thirty right, and so then now I'm thinking, okay, if you could get to Jacksonville's pick, and all of a sudden you knock out, you get, say for Jeff, you get the guard, you get Zion Johnson, and then you turn around and you get my Das Hill. Now we're now we're having a draft. How realistic do you think that is? What to try and trade that you're proposed trade. I'm just trying, man, I'm just doing everything. I think it's realistically. No, No,

I tried. I've tried it a couple different spots. I even made a little small move. I went to I went to New England just to try and get up four or five spots. You know, go from say, go from twenty four to twenty one kind of a thing. You know, what you want to do is you want to target the teams that have money, like the like the Jets. You want to target Jacksonville. You know, teams that have like young quarterbacks that could maybe use a

wide receiver that you know it's got some skill. Okay, I want to go back to the spirit of Kaid's question, Jeff, I feel since you want the extra pick so bad, yes, thank you, let's just hypothetically say, um, I'm just gonna throw a pick out there. The number doesn't really matter. I'm just gonna say, for the spirit of this exercise, Miami gives you pick eighty one for Marii Cooper. So now that was one of the teams I talked about in the third round. So yeah, it's a third round pick. Yeah,

the Michael Gallup pick. Yeah, so you get an extra three. Yep, you've got four picks in the top one hundred, but you don't have Amari Cooper. Okay, how does that change your thought process on what you want to do here? And y'all can answer this too. I mean, I mean it's just a bonus pick because I think by the time you got to if you get pick eighty one, I think by the time you got there, you've already

used a pick that is to quote replace Samari Cooper. Like, I don't think you're gonna get to the eighty fig and not that might be your that might be if you're thinking about the tight end, that's your Jeremy Rucker pick, the Ohio State tight end. If a Maria Cooper is not on this team in a week, you basically think it's a lock that either pick twenty four or pick fifty six. As a receiver, I would I would lock

it in. I think either one of those where unless you get, unless you get one of those scenarios where something falls that you weren't expecting, it's like crap, we gotta take him, we gotta take a point to take him. You always got to keep the draft board open. We've heard that time end, time out. But if you're if your draft for need at wide receiver at twenty four, maybe it's not there, but I think at fifty six you're still going to have names that are in that

wide receiver class. Yeah that maybe, like you said, damaged goods previously, or maybe you have a couple question marks on them that could be where you take that receivers at twenty four could be your pick. Sure, And if that's the case, now you focus in on the other things you focus in on, maybe that guard, you focus in on, maybe the safety. Maybe there might be somebody you like there at the win of those spots. I just think and we depending on what happens at safety.

If you can't get all your safety st I mean there's so many again three on the marketing maddening trying to put a mock draft together before any of this stuff happens. Because we know that the list of needs is going to drastically shift in the next two weeks. All the Safeties are going between twenty four and fifty six.

That even with Amary Cooper and the thought process of trading him for a pick, you would still have to do it within the next couple of weeks, right, you see, you can't necessarily wait until Draft night and no, no, no, you've got to duel. You've gotta whatever you're gonna do with a Mara, you've got to do by like March twenties, say March twenty, next couple of weeks if they at least weird whatever that is. Brian and I had a

really quiet conversation. All you guys were going, and I wonder if we could pull that off on the Draft show where you guys talk, and then Brian and I just kind of sneak some things in. I'm sorry, that's really disrespectful on my part. I just was curiously because we get to the class. Brian, well, you know that's all safeties are going to be gone. That's what that was fascinating to me. And I asked, I've seen Brian cook, yes,

and so yeah, we won't be gone. Yeah, So that's what I'm saying, though, I mean, I was saying, because see, I've got Brian Cook as a third round safety. That's why I was kind of gauging where he was at. Yeah, yeah, we could take a third round safe to fifty six Brian Cook at Cincinnati and Kirbye Joseph at Illinois. There's my third round, guys, Kirbie Joseph. Not a wonderful combine. No, I know, we don't necessarily care about that. I didn't

even see his comment. I would assume he didn't run well, and I assume he didn't jump well. He just yeah, the numbers were not great. We take a peek at him. Jamie wants to know what would a one to our buddy. Jamie leads James, Oh wow, what's up bud? Our buddies over to see what would want to do? What would a one two offensive line double dip look like? Is that even a good idea? Uh? The ideal double dip I would think would involve lender Bamb because linder Bamb

and a guard. Yeah, Linderbamb and then a guard. Remake the whole thing and in two picks. I wonder what the cowboys so like Tyler Linderbaum the Iowa Center in the first and then at Ingram LSU's guard in the second. Yeah, you could probably talk about Ingram Canard would be like because he's such a big old lumbering man, you know, I mean, I like him. That's kind of that's kinds that's a bunch of big, kind of lumbering guys in this thing. I mean, you know, I mean the thing.

I'm interested to see what really is going to happen with Green? You know, he was he was kind of the funny and thirty fun He was kind of the flavor of the month for everybody. You think, do you think his combine Kenyon Green? Yeah, Kenyan Green, his combine hurt him that much. I'll tell you what people are, what people I don't. People are questioning the athletic ability,

don't you think? I think you could have flipped him and Zion Johnson for teams if you like, if you were like me, and everyone's not, because that would be a terrible thing to be. But if you're like me, you really liked both of them. And when one test is an elite athlete and one tests very average, not wrong, it's not impossible to flip them. I did Zion Johnson is guard one for me now, and Kenyan Green is number two. You said that more confidently than you did

on Tuesday. Yeah, you have to sit with these things, you know, you have to meditate on it. Dane hit him with a bull on it. Yeah, Dane hit me with a break. Dane said, you're a stupid changer. No, but it was a question that we asked last. I asked him. I was just like wrong, he wasn't. Yeah, teams will, teams will. Yeah, he's not wrong. Magneto, Kyle, you take this one a Magneto. Yeah, Magneto, you weren't here for that. Oh yeah, he got a question from Magneto.

Oh did we You don't read? You don't You didn't watch the X Men as a kid. Oh you're so young, young, you're so young. I'm sorry you didn't see the movies. No, my god, not only are you young, but you're not a dork. So good for you. That's I mean, I'm still a dork. But Magneto got it. Now. How do you how do you rank the trio of Traylan Burks, Jamison Williams, and Chris olave Stack those tags put them in order already that was a good question. You put

him an order you did. Honestly, we all day it again. Say it again. I Traylan Burks, Jamison Williams, Chris Olabba. Yeah, that's my three. I went with Williams, Burks, O love is how I went it, even with the injury. The injury is the only thing that I'm watching. I ain't. I think. I think the kid's gonna come back just fine. I'm okay with that. I'm not letting an ACL two

A cls don't matter. I think Jamison Williams is one of the most special talents in this Jeff, and again, these are the conversations you have when you do different podcasts and things like that. Is that all of a sudden that all these guys like Jamison Williams and the guys end up in Tampa, all the really good teams, chief seriously, chiefs, everybody in the back of the draft, it's like, oh, who's on the board. Oh that Jamison.

Just like three minutes they hand the card in. They don't even wait, they just like hand the card in. I think that's what I'm saying is all these players that were highly touted and they're kind of nicked up a little bit. Now all of a sudden, teams are just waiting like like we were doing a thing again last night, the whole thing about this. Uh, Dane was talking about his mock draft and he goes, and he and Jeff goes. The Ravens take Jordan Davis. I'm like,

of course the Ravens take Jordan. Of course they do. The Ravens always take Jordan Davis. See it's every draft, these teams and just some of these players just automatically that's a perfect pick for the Ravens. And then Ravens are on the clock who they picked the perfect, perfect player. Yeah you think there are teams that overthink this stuff. Absolutely hell, yes, you think this is one of them.

With the Ravens are up the Cowboys that overthink. I think they've gotten better at this though, because because because because they trust their stack, they trust the stack. They are like, listen, we put that guy up there for a reason. They used to not be that way. Okay, talk to me about this is the possibility of starting his career on pup. The only thing pushing Jamison Williams down the board because I just I might be I watched the guy and I think he's the top twenty player.

I'm I'm an idiot, but that's just what I've seen. You're spot on every time the ball. I mean, you could watch those Alabama. It's amazing about Alabama. You think, what's a team that's as tough as they are. They put out some receivers in this thing. You know, they put some guys out and it's like and you watch them play. I mean seriously, they throw them the ball and every time it's just run after catch, run after kats,

kind of like watching Woods watching CD. You know when he was playing Okaya, run after catch, run after catch, trying run that dude on Crossers every down. He's one hundred and seventy nine pounds, but pushing him down is Have you seen Garrett Wilson play, Yeah, seen Trailing Burke's play. Yeah, You've seen Drake London play. Like it's just gonna be what order of the receivers are we That's the problem.

That's the problem, because every not the problem. It's a good thing because I think everybody sees these guys differently and that's cool, and that's and it's all going to be at the end when we're all watching games in Week seven and somebody tweets Atison says, I told Jeff was right about that. Scar More. You know, that's the kind of stuff's gonna be right about that, Scott Moore, I'm just being nice. I was just being nice to you. But but the thing about it is that's kind of

what happens. We see it all the time, don't we. Absolutely and well, in the last two drafts, and you talked about Alabama receivers, two of the first three picks in the or two of the first three tight end or wide receivers rather in the last two drafts have been from Alabama. The only guy that has broken that up was Jamar Chase, and I mean Jalen Wattle. You

had Davante Smith, Henry Ruggs, Jerry Judy. Are we as excited though about this draft class as we were about those two receivers class, Because even with all these guys and the different ice cream flavors that you're going to have with all these wide receivers, I still feel like I'm not as high. I don't guy, I don't have a two draft, I don't have a chase up there. I don't have a chase up there, I've got some I've got some really good players. I got some really

good players, especially with Burkes and Wilson. I think a lave. My love for a lava is emense. But I mean I don't have a chase up there or ceedee lamb. I just don't. Mike says, Mike wants us to talk about um Dax Hill. We've talked about him before, but specifically talk to me about his versatility, like how many hats? How many hats do you think this guy can wear? And two hats? A lot of them? All right, Well, fight he can play the nickel corner if you need

him too, and he can play safety. I think that's the best thing he has going for him is that he's a very capable go cover the slot and play man coverage. He's very capable played half the field and come tackle. I think he's a very capable go stand way back there and play free safety. So that's not two hats. I guess he could be a half field safety,

could be a deep safety, center field, be in the box. Kyle, talk to me about this because I think Mike is I think Mike is looking and I think the Cowboys have a great shot at resigning jay Ron Curse, which is rare. I don't know that I would say that about But we're purning. Are we printing money now up there? I just I think obviously we are. I don't feel confident about a lot of guys coming back, but he's

one of them that I think will. But anyway, well, Michigan showed you the hats the Dexton Hill can wear because the games that I watched, if a team has two wide receivers, Dexton Hill is a safety. If a team has three or more receivers, Dexton Hill play slot. That's it. That's that's where he goes to. So he can do a lot of that stuff that we saw from Curse. Oh, Dan Quinn's going to love that version. He's a smaller version. Everybody in the league is a

smaller version of jay Ron. That's a good point. But you also could pare the two together and you imagine the possibilities that you would have in terms of those two back in fourth Now, the majority of the time, Curse is probably gonna be in the box and he's probably gonna cover those big tight ends. But however you want to shift it. I think dan Quinn's gonna have his eye on Hill. He would be one of those guys.

I would imagine him standing on the table for when draft day comes around, if somehow the Cowboys have a shot at him. I think they would at twenty four, but I think we were talking Brian scenario of trying to go up to thirty three, thirty four, thirty five to try and get him in the second. I'll tell you the thing. When I in December, when I started this journey and I watched this player, it was him.

I thought this was Dallas's pick. I went through several guys, you know, all those defense you don't think that's likely anymore. They'll just there'll be better value. Well, they all of a sudden it became what's happening in a guard, what's happening in at center, what's happening at wide receiver? What's happening it? You know, in December, I just I just

guess how much there? I just thought I just thought I'd go, man, this guy, this guy is not Jeff's right about he does he's you know, he's six foot, he's one hundred and ninety something pounds. The guy's a hell of a football player. I mean he tackles, he covered. So I was watching play, I'm thinking that's Dallas's pick at twenty four and that was that was in December. Real quick, before we take our second break, Maurice wants

to know you know we did. We did a whole segment about tight ends on Tuesday, but we did not talk about Virginia's Jelaney Woods. Jeff, I heard you had somewhat of an interesting scouting report. I have not completely studied him, but I have seen him multiple times and he's one of my favorite college football players because I compare him too. And this isn't gonna work, so it's

a different professional team. But the Mavericks have a young player that every time he's in it's highly entertaining, whether the ball goes in, whether that's he plays good defense, whatever, it's highly entertaining. And Johnny Woods is over sixty seven and I think he's like two hundred and forty pounds, so it kind of looks like a giraffe running around with a bunch of six foot tall people and so, but the giraffe is very strong and aggressive, but sometimes

doesn't look totally coordinated. So if you told me Hey, the fourth round of the draft is starting, maybe even the fifth round, and you're interested in a tight end prospect with a bunch of upside where it's like, look, watch him catch the ball and it all looks kind of weird, but man does it kind of work and he's like running through tackles. But it's this guy that is, you know, he's five inches over all the people trying to tackle him, and it all just looks incredibly funny.

But he's interesting. Charlie. Charlie. Kohler's that way a little bit for me too. He's a big guy too, six seven, Yeah, I mean it's kind of like kind of like, you know, like he's gonna fall over. But then but then he's like Jeff's talking about these guys. They're six seven and they reach up and they just and they're they're so much taller than everybody else that they make plays and it's funny how they make plays, and they do it a lot just because of the length. I was looking

up a Kohler at the other day. Apparently he's really good off the field too, like did a ton of community service at Iowa State, did a lot of that on field stuff. Of course, but he asked. He's got a lot of that complete picture that teams are gonna like and maybe try and push him up a little bit. You don't get to hear about that, a whole lot that extra good side of the off the field stuff rights A CENCINAI Bengals, We really don't care about that very much. Like can he play? I don't really care.

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You welcome Sunday, Sunday Sunday. We're gonna see Bill later today, right yep? Yeah, We've got Cowboys Blitz coming up. You missed doing the blitz, Brian? Is this a draft version of it where we start breaking down guys? Do the draft segment usually? And do you stand up at the at the Oh? Yeah, tell Us Rocks brought a tie to work and everything? Is this? Is this like the coat and tie that used to keep in your closet?

They'll do yeah with your knocking up. I mean I think all of us up there is that with the nacho cheese sauce stuff up there too. That's at home, my Ricos. You don't have the pickled hallepenos now sitting up there with the Ricos cheese and the pickle. Miss I miss you doing those uh Ricos things. Ask the boys, Oh god, that was funny? All right? I want to we we went along? Why do we miss? Why do we get rid of that? We didn't? It's still around? Is this the one I did? With the one we did?

Come on beam? I watch every once in a while, the draft one, the one with you, Yeah, the one with you were the police with a detective? Oh that was that was? That was one of my We got nominated for a local Emmy for that. Did we? I was really disappointed that we didn't win. I wanted to get one for Kaden Gates. He put so much work and that was a great on our listeners do not care about this, uh no, But I wanted to continue. I want to do a couple of years now, listeners

think you matter. I want to do a couple things in the last few minutes. I wanted that. Yeah, I hate y'all exactly. Look, Kyle, I'm just I'm watching. I took over hosting this year and I have a I mean, I respect you regardless, but I have a new level of respect. Thank you wrangling these two mont regrets. And last year it was even more Last year it was last year was Dane and Bucky and Katie on top. It was a different crew every time, and I couldn't

remember what we talked about each week. That sounds awesome. Kudos to you. My friend nicks Man, talk to me about and this is tricky because it's it's edge rusher and these guys get overdrafted. I get it. Talk to me about day two guys at that position. Talk. I mean, we went over some of these names, the Minnesota kid, Drake Jackson. Just just talk me through some of these guys that maybe you like and maybe you don't like, just to give me a clearer idea of what we're

looking at at this position. Gosh, I think it's tough because I think I'm probably lower on a lot of these guys than where they're going to get drafted. So like Penn State's Ebiketty, maybe he sneaks Katie Katie, maybe he sneaks into the first round. Just say the team school, I've Penn State guy. Just leave the name to this side, Penn State guy, one of those stand up, good athlete pass rushers. That to me, it's like, sure, I'd pick him maybe at fifty six, and he'll go at like

thirty five and Nigbare the South Carolina defensive end. Would I take him at fifty six? Maybe he'll go before that. And then you get down to jijii J. You mentioned j Sanders. It's almost like the Jay's on the feet. It's how he explained it to me. He's two hundred and twenty eight pounds and six to five. Like he's like a smaller version and less athletic Randy Gregory. Yeah, apparently that is a Day two edge. And I'm just I'm watching the Day two guys and I'm like, oh gosh,

I just don't trust any of these time. I was a little surprised. I thought his athleticism was there to a certain extent, But you're right, less athletic than a Randy Gregory. But he's still a guy who could develop into a role very similar to that. And you saw it in senior role in Mobile. You saw it a little bit in the Combine. But his tape is really where I like my JA a lot. And by saying a lot, I mean fifty six would be right where I would pick him. Honestly, I don't think he's a

first round guy. I don't think he's an early second. He's that middle of the second, maybe back half. But he's a good player. What's amazing about him is he's a two hundred and twenty eight pound player. Yeah, and you actually see him play pretty strong, which you know because of the lead and things like that. I mean it's you know, you don't see him like because you worry about bulk sometimes with defensive ends, but you don't see him getting knocked off the line all that much.

I was pretty impressed with him by that. I'm like, ky, this guy's super thin and but you know, he'll The thing that kind of struck me a little bit about him in a kind of negative way is that, you know, when when you look at him in those situations of having to play the run and the way he's able to get off. I think the thing I really really like about him, though, is how much how fast he is.

This guy can really cover some ground. I mean when you're talking about running and chasing and things like that, I mean he can make that. He can make it happen rushing the pastor because you don't see him get really deep. Sometimes these lighter guys run so fast, so far up the field they can't get back to get in on the quarterback. This kid has a pretty good feel of how to get to that level in the pocket where the quarterback is. So I'm interested. But man,

some people will probably not like it. The fact that he's two hundred and twenty eight pounds. He's that quick, that would be a problem. He's got that quick first step too. I like his get off. I like the first step. He's got that short area quickness. But like you said, if he's relying on his strength and his power, he's not gonna get blown off the ball. But he's also not gonna blow anybody off the ball. You know. It's funny. In my notes, and I don't have a

date when I did this about Maffe from Minnesota. The last line I typed in my notes was I don't know why folks are not talking about him more, which, to be very honest, and and and I know is the first time I've heard the guy's name. Yeah, that's on me seriously, And I'm you know, I says, hey, he plays, I go this. He generally plays the open or weak side of the formation, so he doesn't have somebody always in his face. But man, you watch him run and burst and close. I mean, there's all these

things he could finish, he could tackle. He makes a lot of plays when he has to run guys down from the back side, and that's playing on the open side. He could just fly to this to the ball and I kind of, I said, in his hands and he wouldn't to let blockers get in on him. So again, I did this report my notes a while back on him, and I just didn't know why we weren't talking to him. I'm glad to see that people are kind of the testing.

It obviously was before the combine, because the testing numbers came in really really big, And people now, I guess, are talking about him as a potential first round guy. I have him in the second round myself. I didn't have him as a first round guy. I think the reason why I'm harping on this, and it's obviously impossible to predict, but we know what's going on with Amari. We know receiver is an issue here, we know tight end, we know all about the offensive line, but like so

the defensive end edge rush sneaky stands to be terrifying. Yeah, yea, we don't know what they're gonna do with Tank. It certainly sound there there's a contract dispute there. Armstrong, I think, much like m Dalton Schultz before he got tagged, Cedric Wilson for that matter, I think Dorrin's Armstrong is going to get a deal that kind of should showed more consistency. He used to be a guy that would play one game and then he would be gone for three. He

played a lot better more consistently. I think he only had one fewer sack than Randy for all we talk

about Randy Wow, whatever that's worth. And then and then there's Randy who I think the Cowboys are optimistic about what will happen, but they can't tag him, so he's going to hit free agency, and then who the hell knows what happens, And so you could be sitting here in a week and a half with DeMarcus Lawrence, who they're in a contract dispute with, and like Terrell Basham, and not a whole lot else, Like do you feel do you feel good about the prospect of addressing this

with a meaningful pick this year? I think either way you're gonna leave out a position. I mean, you could look at your first two picks and you're gonna say, hey, we need a wide receiver right because of what's happening with a Maria, we need an offensive lineman in the interior to reboot what's going on there. At some point, something will be left out. Edge rusher will be left out, interior offensive line is going to be left out. Wide

receiver is going to be left out. Now it's up to you to basically, it's the opposite of what the problem, the good problem has been the last couple of years of you've addressed these Now you can attack your board best player available. Now you have so many holes you have to address best player available, because that's how you fill those holes the right way. See that's you paint to me a very dangerous situation with what you talked

about with these defensive ends. Because when this team has gotten in trouble, it's because they've tried to force some picks. And this is where I have this with the Jobo thing. You know, I just in my mind, could he be a great player? Yeah, he's just not very He hasn't had a lot of reps at it. You know, He's got the physical traits and the characteristics and everything you like,

just not a lot of time at task. And so now I worry about them saying, well, man, we've got to have a defensive end like it say it does fall apart, say things with Tank falls apart, say things with Brandy doesn't get completely done like it needs to be. Now you're in a situation where you're going, well, who are defensive ends? And then it turns in do you have to draft a guy like Taco or somebody like that? We're or or not Taco but our other guy from

Michigan that the Cowboys picked, Uh Taco talking. I was thinking Hill. I was thinking Hill. I was thinking Hill though, but Taco. Yeah, Tristan Hill was another but he was a defensive tackle. But the same thing, you know, the same thing where you're like, man, they're forced to have to go try and take this and where they've been really good the last couple of years, especially in the first round, He's just taking the best player on their board.

And that scares me a little bit right now, especially about a player that that I that I know I have some questions about. Yeah, which and I'm sure they would say Micah Parsons is a piece of that puzzle. I don't think they're going to move him full time to defensive end, but he obviously provides pass rush. Still not enough to make me feel great about that. You either, you gotta you gotta come to some sort of like you got gonna sell us on Goldston and people like

that they're gonna try. I mean, Ghoston is a good player. I just think he started off pretty well and then kind of faded on him a little bit. Yeah, so he's a rookie, I thought. I think for all the good that he did, I think Osa had a very similar rookie year if you go look at his production weeks one to six Verse Scout War down season. Yeah, it happens. I just think I'm terrified about what it might make them do in the draft if Tank Tank or Randy is gone, especially if both of them or

some reason gone. Like if they're not in the plans for twenty twenty two, I think it leads to you doing something reckless and you're trying to tank at that point. No, that's not going to happen. I would feel a hell of a lot better if you told me Karloftis could be there at twenty four. That would help. That seems like the most real man. I'll tell you what I mean. You're starting to see him anywhere between sixteen and thirty. You know, he's one of the there's several guys greens

that way. I mean, there's a lot the cowboys. It's gonna sound I don't mean to see bad way, but the player that they probably take is going to have some deficiencies to their game. They're gonna be good players, really good players, I think, but there's going to be something that's going to put them at that spot. Like we look at the linebacker. Okay, the kid from Georgia. He's short, he's five to eleven. You look at Lloyd and he didn't run particularly well, but you watch the

tape and he runs really well. I mean, I love both those players. You know, the center, we we've talked Jeff and I and Dane last night we're talking about I've never seen a player like Linderbaum that has more deficiencies to his game that plays as well as he does. He's short armed, he's a small guy, you know, height wise, and he's not very big weight wise, but he but

he makes it work. You know, there's there's there's going to be somebody that has some flaw, you know, Karloptus could be the situation with the arms, you know, like the arm length and stuff like that, that could be a problem, or athletic ability. But these are really really good players. And if you're taking him at twenty four and then you want to address what where do you go next? That's the other thing is that it might be point wide receiver, So then where do you go

offensive line? That's when all of a sudden, you need to watch all these guys that are playing like tackle right now, the Ohio States guy and UCLA and all that those are all your third round those third round guys, and maybe swing over and Kid May's could be in that conversation out of Tennessee. I'm not gonna sell anybody that they will be exciting names, but they will add

guys they always do. That's this conversation is going to change here, probably not over the next week, because the Cowboys don't dip into the expensive part of free agency here in in in two two, three weeks, we will have a better idea of like what they don't think they need versus what they do things. I feel like by next Thursday we might have a decent idea. By next Thursday we will know what's going on with a

lot of their guys. That's a good point. But in terms of bringing in outside talent, I think the weight goes a little bit longer, a lot longer. Yeah, we'll see. We're we're just slowly marching our way through the draft process. That does it for this week. Jeff, you want to bring up sky Moore, just keep twenty four for sky More. I think half of our listeners are going to hate this bit and the other half you're gonna I see one thing real quick. If for Brian, there you go.

If you he doesn't like Zion, no, I mean I haven't ye know, I have a couple guys right ahead. You got the The thing about it is, if you're doing mock drafts and you're sending them to us, just don't do it. Because we're talking about the guys that we like them. Do them because you like them, do them where you think this, And because I'm seeing a lot of mock drafts that kind of kind of mirror what we're talking about. That's what I'm saying. And I'm

saying the same thing too. There's a lot if you know, when you're doing these mock drafts, you're gonna send him to me, and you think I'm gonna say, oh, that's a great mock draft, I'm probably gonna point out something that you missed or something like that. So I'm just giving you guys a little heads up. You're a tastemaker, Brian. It's just all there is. Pick all the guys I like, and I'll tell you you did good. You don't even look at the mock drafts. What are you talking about?

You get tagged, gagged and all. They've got millions more mock drafts to do. We've got do your own mock draft. Ord knows how many episodes of the Draft Show left, but that concludes another week of this coverage. We appreciate you listening for Kyle, Brian, Jeff, I'm Dave We'll be back next week. Thanks a lot. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.