Draft Show: LIVE @ Senior Bowl 2017 - Day 3

with all the knowledge, that's absolutely right. But we'll bring you some knowledge. And as we always do, we like it to investigate and educate. And we got a chance to see both teams practice today and what was surprising, David was the fact that pads. I wasn't expecting that. I was expecting, as you know, I was kind of thinking the NFL procedural how teams, you know, with the Cowboys a Wednesday full pads, then shoulder pads and shorts and then you know that kind of the shells look.

But they went full pads today. I'm glad you mentioned that because we said last night, oh, I point the finger at mid that's you know, and I mean, I trust you with that. You're the old personnel guy. So we got to the stadium. I was working on a story, wasn't really looking at practice, and I look up fifteen minutes in and I'm like, well, hey, they're they're in pads full pads. Yeah, and I just assumed I misheard you. No, I you know what, No, you did not misheard me,

but I will. I mean, you're here for five days to evaluate sixty seventy summer odd draft prospects, right, and they're not going to play another football game until July. So yeah, I was okay with that because I thought there, I thought the practice and did you notice today everybody's complaining about the practices that with the difference between the Bears and the Browns, But you see what I was

talking about with the Browns appear to be doing more teaching. Yes, and then there was more, but there was some good periods. I thought both teams, you know, had some good I you know me, I get so much out of all the one on one stuff actually, and you know what's I'm glad you said that. And I don't know, maybe I'm just biased because I watched the Cowboys so much more. People when they go to Dallas, players like rave about how competitive and Garrett loves to put his guys in

competitive situations. I didn't feel like I saw as much of it. I mean, like a Cowboys training camp practice features a lot of one on one, right, there's the compete period where everybody goes in front of the team and kind of stretch their stuff. You saw there was some of that, but it wasn't one the one on one the receivers. Yeah, things that we would and are

back in the day. And by the way, Kent Garrison executive producer of this thing, because it brings it up because Kent's idea about you know, training camp, live, Ota live, all those things, you know, when we used to show that, because you're always right in the middle of it. I think if we were filming there, like last year, we had some basically some Senior Bowl live on the field that was one on one, and I think we would always I always find myself going towards that direction of

watching those. I would have liked to have seen some more of it today, honestly, at least that's the impression that I got. Yeah, but yeah, so well, you know, what we were again, it's the it's the Cleveland Browns or one of the staffs, and then the Chicago Bears or the other. This was the final real practice, so

they've kicked this out now. We don't get to watch the walkthrough tomorrow, and then the game will be on the NFL Network on Saturday at one thirty, So if you want to check that out, please feel free to do so. They will be all over that coverage and then we'll probably break it down a little bit for you. We get the tape in from one of these teams, and then we'll be able to sit and watch it and then have some really some follow up about it on the Draft show come next Thursday. Okay, I always

like to ask you this. I don't mean to make it a broad question, but with the guys today, is there anybody different? Are we starting to see or is it not starting? Is it the same guys that the O. J. Howards of the world and people like that that we keep keeps seeing, keeps seeing. But is there anybody that that is has risen? And maybe not from yesterday but into today, there there definitely is one. Let me see your roster real quick, because I left mine in my

room ware to be prepared to I know that's my bad. Uh, well, there's one that I know right at the top of my head. I gotta get the other. Okay, I got it now. And we talked about him last night. Russeul Douglas flashed at me today. I thought he was outstanding. I thought he'd like the length, the reach and all that stuff. The length is awesome, Like he's six two legiti. That's his that's his way in light, that's nots. Yeah. I didn't have a good vision for him initially when

you watched the West Virginia tape. I thought there were some times where he really didn't cover all that well eight picks as a senior at West Virginia. He was all over his guys today. And the best part I wrote about this for a story I'm writing tomorrow. He he made like a really athletic play down the sideline on Zay Jones, where it was like some Byron Jones Mo Clayborne type stuff where he was over the guy's shoulder, Uh, breaking up a pass that I really didn't look like

he had a chance at getting to. And yeah, I think you wrote about this a little bit too. With the Yukon safety is that you worry about, you know, your your movement and your ability and stuff like that. Uh you want me to say it for obi Obik safety six four two twenty. Yeah. But and and uh uh Rusul Douglas. I don't know why I can't say this guy's name. He moved surprisingly well for a guy who's as big as he is, I thought, especially he's not playing safety, he's playing corner right, So I really

liked him. And then um, Jordan willis the Kansas State defensive end. Who I know what you? I know you said you hadn't noticed him, but Yean was like, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah he looked fast and losev out there today. Go okay, specifically, sure, I always talk about left end right end. He was playing left end because and the only reason folks, I say this out there about left in right in is that that's the way that the Cowboys evaluate their board. They will have a designation of

all the left ends. They'll have a board with all or not a board, but a separate category of all the right ends, all the one techniques and all the three techniques, which and I I hate listening to you talk about because everybody's a left end. But but that's the problem with this foot kid. They don't have mean but this kid, based on what we know, I would say he's a right end. But he played left end his entire college career and right pretty damn good at it.

Right had seventeen and a half tackles for loss at left end, and I think he had eleven sacks as a senior coming from left end. So I mean, I don't know, but I know that he was kicking the right tackles. But today he was getting around the corner. He wasn't giving the guy a chance. I think you know, obviously you don't sack the quarterback in practices like this, but if you did, I think he would have had

three today. Yeah, so that the pressure was definitely there for Okay, well from what okay from how would you compare him to what you've seen from some of the teammates on his on his on that side, though, I'm glad you asked that question, let me and let me ask you this because on that on that particular team, if you remember, there's Deshan hall Is on that team, and he's and then uh Past sagon is on that team as well, and we talked about him. But and

I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus. We're a Texas based team and he plays at A and M. I'm sure there's a lot of aggies listening. I came into the week with him on my radar thinking he was going to be because screamer. He's from A and M and he's a big name and he played with Garrett. I don't remember him doing anything this week, am I See?

That's the total? I mean, this is this is the This is the problem that you really run into when you're at the Senior Bowl and you're trying to watch so much of the field and you're you're right, and you're watching, you're watching a corner cover in one on one when Hall might be winning a rep, and then it comes back around and you don't see him right. And that's why we you know, I like to sit in the press box where we do, because at least

you have a chance to see the whole field. And there's scouts that are just responsible for, Hey, let me watch the one on one pass rush stuff. Let me watch the one on one wide receiver defensive back stuff. Did you see Hall do anything. I tell you what, though, there are some things with Hall where I felt like and I don't disagree with what you're saying totally. I mean I think there's a part of me though. I did see him win a couple of different times, and

I'm sure he did how many times you know exactly? Well, when we get back to Dallas and we sit there at the Star and we have all that practice tape, you know you'll be able to see him go rep after rep after rep. I see. I was the opposite though, on the on the Willis kid, because I didn't see him win like that. And you know, here you are, you're you've you've obviously done your homework on the player and you know the player, but you but to me,

I didn't see the consistency of winning. And that's and that's but that's but that's like you say, you're watching you know, separate. That's the fun he was He kicked a butt in the spam about fifteen minutes at full team today. Who I mean, who knows what he did yesterday? And that's the tricky part is, Yeah, you're trying to watch about sixty guys at once. Is it possible that, like rain Dakota. He's quote unquote a gamer, sure, and

I want to see what he does in the game. Yeah, I know that you knew that Aggie was gonna speak. I gotta defend my boy. Yeah, well I thought you were talking about Willows, So I thought that so he was talking about Yeah, let me ask you something, Dave, and and and by the way, we're gonna play a little game we're gonna do. Uh, we're gonna finish up some of our talk here about the Senior Bowl and what we saw today. But I also want to do a little bit more of the twitter on the twenty.

I want to give people the opportunity if they have some draft questions. Uh, we're kind of without our crutch here, Dame Brugler. You know, we're like sixty guys in He's it's like having a super computer. Yeah, exactly. So you know, if your questions are about players, we'll try and do our best to answer them to the best of our We got plenty of questions. Absolutely, And I also want to play a little game with you, Dave, and can't you guys can play along here and at home, maybe

you will. This is really this is some questions I've just called this the Draft Show questions, and a lot of them have to do with the Cowboys. So you know, I just kind of want to use your expertise on this football team today since we're missing Dame, I want to use your expertise to talk about some draft questions. I can't positions and things like that. So we're gonna

get into that. We're gonna do. We're gonna do this Senior Bowl stuff Twitter on the twenty and then we'll do the Draft questions and put a big bow on this sou But let me ask you this though, any running backs and that was a subject that we got into, and I'm not going to revisit you know what we were talking about. Yeah, we talked about but were there any running back that stood out to you of this group? And you know, I'm and im and I'll let you

have the sheet right there. If there's anybody that jumped out at you, I said yesterday for the okay, and this actually works perfectly. I loved Hunt and Clement right from the North team, Yes right, I thought they were great. And then today, Uh, the kid who really jumped out at me was this Jamal Williams from Brigham Young there

you go. H He had a couple of plays. He had one today where he cuts, he bounced it to the outside and beat two or three different defensive backs to the corner, didn't just beat him, but then kept getting yards like it was a lot like those plays we saw from Zeke all during football season where you're just like, there's nothing, there's nothing, yeah, exactly. Uh. And he had one of those where I was just like, okay, dude, uh so I he was impressive and I kind of

I did some research on him after that play. I was like, all right, like this, this guy's a player. This isn't this isn't a nobody you know you mentioned And that's Kareem Hunt from Toledo. Yeah, and what I love that? Yeah. And I'll tell you what I like about Kareem Hunt. You know, not knowing much about him until you know Dane had talked about him as a guy coming in that Hey you need to watch you need to see this guy. What I noticed one with Kareem Hunt, I noticed a physical runner with the ball

in his hands. Today. I saw two things. I was really happy with him. I saw him as a blitz protector. You know, they were screaming off the edge. They were rushing guys in the middle, and he was stepping up and taking guys on and and and the specifically Hanson Riddick from Temple, who has been you know, you know, exc Hassan Riddick, you know, and I and I and I think it's get it kind of finally I'll get this name, right, Jared Golf, Yeah, Jerry Golf, but no,

but yeah, with with with with him with Riddick. I said it right that time, Reddick. It's fine. Well, the Temple guy, we got it, the Temple guy, Reddick. But anyway, but that's the thing about it is to me, he was taking him on and he there was, and he was difficult to block. I said on yesterday's show that his his pre pre Senior Bowl weight was two twenty five. He's only like two oh eight. He's I gave him too much credit. But he doesn't play he plays big,

he looks he plays like a load, right. He's not afraid to block, He's not afraid to put his pads down. No, no, And he caught the ball well today two and the one on one stuff as I saw as well, forty one receptions for four hundred yards as a senior at Toledo this year. So so there you go, that complete and that's you know, I feel like everybody's looking. Everybody's looking for that guy who can get in here at twenty eight and make a difference and help get this

team past the divisional round of the playoffs. I get that, But that's the type of stuff that excites me. Is the guy that's going to be there on Saturday afternoon who can sneakily make this team a lot better. Obviously, you don't need him to start, you have his Snekuel Elliott, but a guy like that can make this team a lot better. Infused some youth into your running back corps, give you some great depth, a versatile guy. But I mean that you're basically talking about merging the skill sets

of Darren McFadden and Lance Dunbar into one guy. I think they're going to have to draft a guy like that. I think I think they need to either draft a running back or sign a priority free agent. I mean, you remember Thomas Rawls. Uh, you know, dunch Jarius Jackson was a sixth round pick. He probably might have gone undrafted. They didn't want to let him get to that point. I think a guy like that would be good for this team with what the depth behind Zeke looks like.

Disappointing player. I saw you mentioned this. I'll give you, I'll give you well, I already said Dashawan Hall. I thought I was disappointed based on the hype, based on you know, all this season, I've been hearing like, well, Garrett's good, but keep your eye on Dashawn Hall. This guy's a beast. So that was disappointing. And then you mentioned this Traven Darrell, Ravn Durrell not a great, not

just a everything. Every WAH week seemed like that. Every receiver, every time you looked up, there was a receiver where It's Chad Williams from the Grambling Kid, Josh Reynolds Switzer. Uh. We talked about Ross making some plays from my guy Cup yeah, Cup everywhere. Yeah. I mean these guys were everywhere making plays. I couldn't. I specifically watched him today thinking because I'm like, I haven't seen him, and I thought David, I thought he was hurt. I thought he

was hurt. I didn't see him at all, and then all of a sudden, I'm watching Okay, let's find him wearing the white helmets today, which I absolutely hate. I know you love. It makes him harder to find him, it does. And so I'm watching him and obviously he needed to wear the gold helmets. I needed to find him. But I didn't think he I think these practices have been terrible for him, not great. I really do. And for somebody coming in that we thought might have And

there's a lot of names. I mean, this wide receiver group really stretches, and now you're trying to elevate yourself into a position where well, and and I'm not saying you make he bates everything on the Senior Bowl. I will say this. Al Davis back in the day for the Raiders, he used to draft players off how well they played in the Senior Bowl. That was something that

was important to him. I really I like the I mean, this is the only and Dane, I'm stealing a line from Dane, but this is the only time during the entire draft process where you get to watch people play football, right, So I think that's important. Um, And yeah, I mean, you don't want to discredit everything. And Travan Daraile is probably familiar with this. His quarterback play was not great this week wasn't great his entire college. Yeah, but the

other receivers had to deal with the same issues. I'm just looking for a guy that, you know, if you talk about the measurables, yeah, you talk about the size, you talk about you know, at six one two h six, and we've seen him make plays and and you know, the receiver play, I mean it's gonna be the quarterback play at l issue wasn't great, but we've seen these kids, these kids this week be bad ball catchers. Yeah, he couldn't separate and when he did separate, they threw it

to him and he dropped the ball. So I mean that that, to me was very disappointing in a group of receivers that seemed to have some guys who were able to elevate their games. No, I completely agree with you. I'm trying to think who else, who else disappointed me that that's okay? There's one that the offensive lineman disappoints you, David. I think I'm disappointed that Forrest Lamp didn't get to do the whole I was gonna same thing about your Davious White, the other LSU kid is I mean, it's

not his fault. But he didn't get to finish the week. He's hurt. Ryan Anderson got hurt. He didn't go today. He's gonna try to play in the game. But so you're talking, I mean Ryan Anderson was a leader on Alabama and Trey White before your starter at LSU. Lamp is supposedly the best offensive lineman here. So you're talking about three of your better prospects who kind of faded out of practice this week. Yeah. Well, the thing about it too, we wanted to see Lamp play some guard.

That That's where I wanted because it's a projection if you watch him play at Western Kentucky. Excuse me. He is a guy that plays left tackle, so they were going to give him an opportunity to play some guard this week. I wanted to see how that you know is we remember it very well being here and watching and watching Zack Martin play both tackle and guard. He was and play against Aaron Donald, superstar. He like he

stole the show. And it's hard to steal the show when you're an offensive lineman, right because it's not flashy work. But he stole the Senior Bowl in twenty fourteen. I got one for you, um and we've we've talked about him. We don't have to get too into it. But twenty fifteen Thorpe Award winner, I was hoping to see more of something from Desmond King than just you're talking about. I mean, I know the board has changed already from

what it was last year. People were saying he might he was a he was a big time guy in twenty fifteen. Now you're thinking of him as like more of a second round I don't know, you know, last

year he would have been a first round player. Yeah, he would have been drafted probably, And I don't think I saw anything at these practices where I was like, oh, this guy's a baller like and that's that's really all you can look for, Like you're saying, when you're not you're not watching tape, watching rewind after rewind, you get one rep and then you move your attention somewhere else.

I didn't see him do anything amazing this entire way. Yeah, I'm focused a little bit too on the look the slam, a little bit for the offensive line, because you know we are talking a little bit about the Walker guy. Yeah, well no, I'm just trying to figure out could be a guy, could there be a guy that the Cowboys, you know, and trust me, I've got some questions for you about that twenty eighth pick. I'm excited, but you know, and and you know Zach Banner. We haven't really talked

much about Zach Banner, the massive tackle from USC. Plays right tackle at USC, and they moved him over to the left side today, and I to me, I was interested to see if he was going to get exposed over there. Did he didn't feel like he did? Didn't feel like he did, felt like that maybe he was going to have some problems with some rush off the edge.

Dane thinks he's a little bit slow footed guy. I don't disagree with Dane on that, but there's tape you could watch him at USC and him, you know, having to play against Alabama the opening day, a little bit of trouble there. That's the kind of guy, Tim Williams, those guys are gonna him, Yeah, exactly, They're gonna give you some problems doing that. But I didn't think he got totally exposed playing on the on the left side.

So I'm I'm I'm interested if they go ahead in this game and continue to play him on that left side. To see you know, hey, give give NFL scouts the opportunity to see him play over there. I love to hear that, because I mean, the Dallas Cowboys do not need a left tackle right, but they might need eighth Well, they need tackle is a bigger need than I feel like a lot of people would want to admit because Doug Free has struggled. He's also in the last year

of his deal. Chaz Green has played four out of thirty two possible games thirty four if you know, thirty three if you count the playoffs. Sure, yeah, so you're I mean, I feel good, I feel fine for twenty seventeen, but that might be something you want to look at. And you know, everybody's gonna blow up my mentions about moving Lile Collins out there, but you're also probably losing Ron Leary. So that means, I mean, the line is obviously fine, but it's something you got to keep an

eye on. So I'm down to draft an offensive tackle and in this draft, honestly, if it falls the way. So that we kind of felt like though there were some guys that helped themselves, yeah, some guys that didn't do some will to have the opportunity. Maybe, like Kent was talking about, you get some gamers. Yeah, maybe these

guys are Yeah that were gamers. But you know what, I think that when you watch the practices, I mean that tells you a lot about these kids and how they compete and work against And some of these kids did a nice job I think during this week, and well to Kent's point, I mean somebody who had a bad week, Travan Dural could go out there and throw up four catches and then then they'll talk about this

next week in the draft shows. Absolutely and you could have You could practice great when the cameras aren't on you all week and then not show up in the game. So I mean Saturday definitely still was anyone really talking about I mean, he was Dak, but it was anybody talking about Dad the game he won MVP and then we were all interviewing him. I mentioned that in the in the story I'm writing for this week. Is that, I mean, we talked about act, but everybody was losing

their minds about Carson Wentz. Yeah, And I guarantee you if you go back to last week, we were talking more about Jacoby Bursett and probably Cody Kessler then we were talking about Dak Prescott. Absolutely, so yeah, I agree. Every time we'll tell Okay, well, we're going to take our first break when we come back here in the Draft show, we're gonna do a little Twitter on the twenties. So if you get your questions in, we will get

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got some stuff up tonight from the Senior Bowl. The guys there, Nick Eatman, Taylor Stern, Rob Phillips, those guys are doing work over there at the Pro Bowl. So it looks like a lot of fun from with what we've seen so far from Zeke and Dak and Dez Bryant and all these guys making some comments. So just to keep an eye on that. So okay, so right now we're gonna get into a staple that Ed Khill created. It's one of my favorites because it allows the fans

to participate. If you want to get us a question, make sure you do it to get it to us at the Draft Show. Should be falling at the Draft Show anyway. Ken Garrison puts out a lot of good content on there, kind of gives you an idea when the shows will be on and and that gives you that schedule. So in Periscope too, we live streamed the show on Periscope on the Twitter. Yeah, that's a reason to follow it. Have to watch the show absolutely. Yeah. So with all that being said, there we go, thank

you Ken and Eddie. As always, I'm going a mix too because we've talked about him. So I guess people are curious Aiden and then friend of the show Bobby Um. They want to know, how do you how much do you think that Cooper Cup has elevated himself and has he? I mean has he to you? He's the best receiver that's been here in my opinion, is he the best receiver that's been here this week. Well, I'll tell you what though, And you know, I really like what I've

seen with with Cooper cup Uh. You know, coming in, I'd seen him when I was watching Youngstown State. I was actually watching the game. Yeah, that that playoff game, And I told you it was frigid conditions, snow cold, all that stuff, and he was making play after play after playing that football game. And so you know, he comes here with some pro coaching, uh and is able to uh to translate his game translates very well. Uh. They put him on the outside. He's a he's an

outstanding route runner. He knows how to get open. Someone was, you know, kind of comparing there was a kid game Cole Danny Cole that they drafted here, and was he Danzy Danny Cole. No, he's a better route runner. He's a more savvy route runner. He's a I think he's a better receiver reception wise with the hands and stuff like that. But the routes he finds ways to get open. He could beat separation. He's really good along the sidelines too.

Coming back for the football, he understands how to get his feet and bounce. These are all things very positive. I think that that the scouts knew about him, The scouts knew about him, the fans now are starting to learn about him. And yeah, I think that he's done everything that he did at Eastern Washington. And Dane even said the stat last night forty something receptions you know against PAC twelve opponents and a large number of touchdowns as well. Let me ask you this, I remember talking

about this last year at the Senior Bowl. We were so high on Braxton Miller based on these practices and then he kind of came down to earth and kind of are we is this like the Senior Bowl bump, Like he's a good player, But Braxton Miller at receiver, it was his first yeah, first year been this. This guy's a legitimate Yeah, he's been in There's a bunch of there's a bunch of PAC twelve teams right now that are probably like going, what were we thinking and recruiting.

You know, when you when you see a player like god to just emerge and nothing against Eastern Washington. They're in the playoffs. It's a quality program. But when you're when you see kids like that, players thinking Okay, why did we not recruit I bet you he's a second round pick, but he's not there when the Cowboys pick in the second round because basically, no, I don't think so. I don't think so. I think I think people will take you. Now this this draft is pretty deep for

receivers though. Yeah, So when it gets all said and done, we'll have an opportunity to get to the combine to start ranking these guys where they are. So I'm glad. I'm glad you brought that up. It's something It's a question we talked about off the air. Everybody wants defense. That's understandable, Right, would you rather draft like a top I mean, there's gonna be some good receivers there at

twenty eight, right, Maybe not pass rushers. I mean, and I think a lot of people are on board with this, and a lot of people are not. As far as the concept of maybe taking a wide receiver in the first round of this draft, I think there's you know, and and let's do this. One of my questions deals with that and and and it's not specific to the wide receiver, but I want to include it in with what we're gonna do. So when we do that, if we can get to that end, and I promise we'll

get to that. I'll get to that question. Promise I will. Okay, we talked about Carol Phillips earlier this week. Illinois Johnny just wants to know about his week in general. What you thought, not a guy that you knew a lot about going, didn't know a whole lot about him. Knew more about Smoot. But I'll tell you what. One of those guys that showed up every practice, there was a guy that was it was. He plays with tremendous passion. He hustles, He's got some really he's got skill, He's

got explosive quickness. He can get around the corner, he can run to the football, he could chase all those things that you really really like. I like the fact they put his hand down and let him go, let him rush a couple of times too. I thought that was I thought. I thought he did himself proud. I thought both Illinois kids, him and Smooth, I thought, did a nice job this week showing their athletic ability. Tony Underwood wants to know what you thought about korn Elder. Yeah,

the Miami kids had a pick today. Sure, did you know what. I noticed him a little bit. I didn't notice him as much yesterday, noticed him today with the pick, played him in the slot, a little bit of a smaller guy. But I'll tell you what though, I liked the movement skill there, I really really do. I like the fact that he could play on the outside, but also I think he might be a better player inside day.

I think when you start to say, you know, we saw what Anthony Brown was able to do Leano coming into the league, I think he's initially going to start playing inside, yeah, and then work his way back to

the outside. But there's some there's movement skill there, there's ball skills obviously with the interception today and the fact he played in a program where he had to play against a lot of quality receivers, especially Miami playing against you can watch the game against, you know, against Clemsons and those types of teams in the world. He can

hold his own. Remember like five years ago when the ACC was a joke and now it's a juggern they got the national champion from rolling out of that to vision Dustin Justin, we're talking about the guys that are here. Um who what pass rusher impressed you? The most this week. You know what I think when I look at just the overall if you said the Edge Rushers, I really really really liked what I saw from Smoot. I really, I really do. And I know I talked to him,

I talked about him earlier. I also I think that that was the one we kind of addressed Hall. We dressed the kid from Villanova a little bit. I think the kid and I wrote about this from about the Villanova kid when they were doing the circle drill and if, yeah, he did look stiff, didn't It's hard not to be stiff when you're that gigantic. But how about though, when you see David Urban does David Irban had six seven

looks stiff? Not really see It's what I'm saying. But it's hard, and you're right about that, it's hard to not But what I was talking about, folks, if you read are my story tonight on Dallas Cowboys dot com, the circle drill is actually what it is. It's a complete It's like a giant hula hoop, right okay, And they put the quarterback bag at one end of the hula.

Who about and it's all about bending and they did a great job of show when the Browns coaches showed you about these kids ability to turn the corner and bend. And he didn't bend all that well. And so that's something you know. And I thought that if you played him wide, he has a better chance to rush as opposed to playing him tight. But when he played tight tight meaning near head up or inside, he was able to take the inside gap and do a little bit

better than when he played why. This is something that I noticed while I was writing my story for Friday, The Reddick Guy, Temple Reddick on Reddick, he's small. Yeah, he's six one, yeah, two forty seven. Yeah, it is like I mean, he and he he was a beast. He was great all week. He was well. The fact with him, Yeah, the fact with him, I'm talking about the defensive ends, the rushers, the pass rushers. He's the

one guy. Though when you talk about this that like if try and find a spot and Nickel play, Like, what what would the Cowboys do with him? He would be a lot like Damon Wilson. I believe so you he would be a stand up linebacker. I think he's a stand up linebacker and and he might even be a better a better Kyle Wilbur. But Kyle Wilbur is always around the ball. How many times spalls on the ground,

Kyle Wilbur and he's always doing something. But to me, this kid is that type of Dai Damian Wilson's plays the Sam linebacker. Maybe he played his kid as at will and just let him run to the football. I

just and I don't know. Maybe it's not fair that Rod Marinelli's scheme scares me when it comes to like hybrid tweener guys like I just I don't trust that they're gonna figure out what to do with a guy who doesn't have a true position like that, you know, and that's why you know, I don't see they're never drafting like a tired Matthew type or any of those linebacker safety hybrids. People ask me today, is this scheme just too old school? And I don't know if that's

the right. I don't think it's too old. It can work. It worked this year obviously not against Aaron Rodgers, but like it works. It's just it's very basic, and like that's Rod's entire ethos is like simplify it and just get guys knowing what they're supposed to do and getting to the football, and it can be devastating. I mean, the mid two thousands Bears teams kicked button running that stuff.

So I don't have a problem with the scheme. I just don't think you're gonna see any type of overcomplicated or like anything you know, like the Todd Bowls and Bruce Arians type of defenses where there's all these fluid formations and maybe sometimes you only have too down linemen, like that's not Rod Marinelli's stuff. That's just not that's what you were You ever here. You were here for you were out here for Rob Rob Royan. See that's and Rob's scheme was too complicated, and that that was

the problem. I kind of like the idea of having a really simple scheme that you can plug any idiot into, like honestly, and and it especially works if your talent's not that great either, I think. So I don't have a problem with the scheme. I just think during the draft process, I'm just like, oh, that guy's probably not gonna wind up here because that's just not the way Rod Marinelli does defense, and that you know, maybe that's not great, but it it's just the way it is.

So Um, what else do we have? What else do we have? Oh? I got a Rod Marinelli question for you today too, by the way, Oh do you yeah? Is it? What is it about? What we were just get ready? Yeah? Yeah? So well okay, um, all right, here's one and then this is I actually I wanted to ask you this, uh droove, And I like this because you're always saying this is a this is a

draft show, not a Cowboys show. So and I know, you know it's early in the process, but he's he's I'm gonna get a little drafty with the cowboys though. Hearing him, I'm gonna play to your expertise, is what I'm gonna do. What do you think in general based on what you know about this quarterback class as it compares to other quarterback classes? And this, this guy's asking from the Bill's perspective, who pay top ten and have

to make it? And this is gonna be this is gonna be tough because you know, what is what is the North Carolina kid? Asking Trubisky? What is he? What is the Notre Dame kid? What are any of them? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, and I know he balled out against Alabama? What is DeShawn Watson, But is Deshaun Watson and you know, and I'm gonna ask you, I'm gonna ask you. I'm gonna

well again, that's another question I have. But but yeah, I think that you know, if you're one of those teams, from just what I've seen these quarterbacks at the senior ball, I don't think any one of these guys can help you. The six guys, I don't see any of these six guys. So you eliminate those guys. I think Dane even said he had like three of them had draftable grades. You know, of what he saw. I I would be I would

be a I would be nervous. I would be really nervous just about what I know, the unknown of what I was talking about. The North Carolina, the Notre Dame, the Clemson. I personally think, I personally think the Clemson guy can play. I mean, I absolutely play. I mean, but I think he could lead an NFL team. Is he a number one pick? And Jordan Dane quoted a personnel guy anonymously at the start of the week as saying, like Miles Garrett has to be the number one pick.

I don't overcomplication. Oh no, no, yeah, I agree with him. Yeah, I just it's the only the only position that's worth unseating him for is a quarterback. And even if Watson or if any of those guys are good, I don't think they're good enough to merit that. And I feel, but every year, every ye Allen do enough for you that you would not take Miles Garrett. I like Jonathan

Allen a lot, Yeah, like a lot a lot. And I love the fact, like he can play any position on the defensive line, right, But Garrett's just he's not Clowney, but he's like that Clowney type of athlete where he can just do a lot of stuff. If you compared him or Clowney, there's no way I would take Clowney every single day. I agree. I don't see Clowney here. I don't I see I see that a freakish level of athleticism though. Oh yeah, but that's what Clowney. I

just Clowney could and I don't know. And the problem I have with with Miles Garrett is the fact that I have to I have to sit there and figure out when he's healthy and when he's not healthy. Yeah, that's the problem I have. Guys telling me all the time. It's like, what games you watch? Well, I watched the Oh he wasn't healthy. Yeah, he's coming off. I don't know. I don't know if he's six percent in games, and I don't know if he's one hundred percent. You watch

him last year, Well that's what I'm saying. Yeah, no, no, it's we're gonna have to do because this year you do not get a clear understanding of what he is as a player. Maybe he gets the UCLA game, so maybe that's the first year. I mean, that's that's the healthiest he's gonna be. That's it. And I mean, Jonathan Allen's gonna be a top five pick if I had to guess. But you think he's better than Garrett? I

think that teams. I think the teams are gonna I think there's gonna be some teams that might very well have Alan as their top, their top defensive lineman. Where do you think he fits better? Alan? Three? Four or forty three? Oh, I'm gonna play him in a three and a four three? Yeah, because I think he's a three technique and I don't. And I'm and what's so sad about this is I don't think he's Aaron Donald.

I don't think he has that Aaron Donald quickness. I think he's got more power than Aaron Donald, but I don't think he has Aaron Donald quickness. See that just tells you a bit how the draft is. Though for some of these defensive line you're looking at pro comparisons for Garrett and Alan, what would you say, we gotta figure that out. See that's that's the I mean, because people are gonna say they're gonna try and compare questions.

They're gonna come no, No, that's what I'm saying. I mean, you gotta you gotta figure out though, if you do believe he's clowney, like I don't think he's clowney, Yeah, I don't. I mean, and I trust me, man, I'm gonna sit down and figure him out. Though, Like Kent was talking about, if you have to go back and look at the junior tape, because the senior tape coming back, coming back doesn't doesn't paint the picture really probably what the player is. The expectation was just speaking from an

A and M perspective. The expectation was so high on Miles Garrett and he got hurt and this was not the year he was supposed to have. This Aggie right here is just going bad for say he would have been if he had been healthy, he would have been in New York. You know, he's that kind of player. Wow, if he had been healthy, that's not Dane still has him as his number one player. I think he's pretty been hurt. I think Dane also had Laramy Tunsil as his number one player last year. Yeah, well a gas

mask prevented him. Let me let me tell you this. So let me tell you. When you evaluate three hundred guys you're gonna have, you're gonna have one or two of them when you're not to tappy. Okay, we're gonna take our final break and then we come back. I want to get into some of these. These are cowboy type questions, but I want to use my my my colleague here. Here people what they want, Give these people what they want. So we'll be right back with the

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and head back ourselves tomorrow. I also want to thank everybody out there who's kind of followed along with us on the Draft Show this week, all the folks that have retweeted the show. We've already done four of these things, yeah, and this, and we're gonna and we got and we got full coverage too coming up at the end of the month when I'm yeah, we got the combine coming up about a month from yeah, exactly, so we'll have shows there every day, so that would be a whole

new thing. But again, thanks to everybody out there that loves the Draft Show, that listens to it, that participates. We love the questions and we hope we're doing a great job for you guys. Okay, speaking of questions, I've got some Draft Show questions and these are gonna be really Cowboys specific because I want to use your expertise here. Okay, here we go. Question I'll answer to question number one.

More likely the Cowboys trading Tony Romo or moving up into the first round of the draft, moving into the top fifteen in the draft. More likely they trade Tony. I think that's moving in and do both moving in? Oh damn, what get a one more Tony more likely. More likely, it's more likely they deal Tony like I just maybe I I will be proven to be wrong. But something's got to give with that. I think he's

he's something has to happen. You're not going in the next season with things the way they are, with the with the with the teams being small, probably Denver, Houston, maybe Chicago, if you're on a hometown deal, not you know, a home area thing. I think that depends on whether Tony thinks they can compete. Yeah. I just threw them in there as a but, but but you're you're small,

if you're Houston or Denver. Do you offer Dallas anything or do you just know that Dallas is in such a hole with that contract that they're gonna have to let him go And you're gonna then you're gonna turn into like a Paint Manning situation where you have to recruit. Remember Manning headed Opportunity Arizona the number then, and yes I do remember that. Sorry to cut you off. The number of people who would become interested if he was

a free agent, I feel like would grow. And that doesn't mean that they could necessarily get him for because he wants to go he'll pick and choose. But we're going to Tony Romo tour. But yeah, exactly, like I think you maybe make an offer to keep the peep the other teams out of it. I think the thing is is what are the Cowboys expectations of what they

can get and are they willing to negotiate that? Like, let's I mean, Houston would probably give up a third round pick for Tony Romo maybe, or yeah, fourth or a third and as you know, a third exactly, Brett Farb went for a third and he had less left in the tank than Tony Romo does, I would argue. And so, but is that enough, especially when you're talking about the emotion that's involved in this, and Jerry Jones is like, that's Tony Romo, that's and he's our he's

he's in the Ring of honor. We're not getting rid of him for a third round pick, No way. Is there a chance that neither happened? Of course, yeah, I would. I would not put it past Jerry Jones to keep Tony Romo. Okay, if he doesn't get what he wants, there's a chance that neither happens. I don't see the Cowboys making a trade that big, because that's to move into the top fifteen. You're talking about giving up a decent amount of stuff to move that many spots, and

all of a sudden, you're talking about that. That's something you do if you think you're one player away. I try to make it difficult, Yeah, Eno, training Romo and difficult moving up. Okay, I think it's I think it's very likely that neither one of those happens. But I still think somehow Tony Romo is not on this team in twenty seventeen. Let Terrence Williams and Bryce Butler both walk and draft or try to resign both. I have no interest in resigning both of them. So you want

a draft? I honestly, and Terrence Williams is better than he gets credit for. He is. He's a willing blocker, he's a good teammate. He may he's got a pinch of for making big plays, but he's not so great that I want to pay what I think it's going to cost. So I'm already mentally moving on. So him Butler gone. You want a draft? Honestly, And like, Butler did not have a great year, but I'm thinking he's good enough and he's cheap. He should not be that

expensive based on his audio of work. Bring him back on a very team friendly deal and then as your number four, and then draft a new number two. All right, I'm gonna put you on the spot, eyeball test on Cup as opposed to the other two, if you could have Cup or Williams. I mean, but I love that. I love Cooper Cup. I think he's great, and if

he you need to study him some more. But yeah, well not only that, but you're talking about a rookie going against other rookies in the Senior Bowl with guys they don't know, as opposed to four year pros who have played in the playoffs and stuff like that. But I think your mind though, you have them both gone, Lances. I told you this yesterday. He's white Jarvis Landry, and

Jarvis Landry's a stud like he's a I want. I would want Cooper Cup on this team, and if he's there, I don't know if I feel comfortable drafting him at twenty eight, but I definitely feel comfortable drafting him in the second round. He's a very good player. Is Rod Mirnelli's uh? Is Rod mirnillis assuming that we talk is Rod Mirinelli's style too particular with the players? I mean, you know, we always talk about the orphans, but the

question is is he too particular when he's evaluating players? Yeah? Maybe? And I mean the fact that he doesn't, Oh, just give me that guy, Just give me this guy, give me that guy. Yeah, you know. I mean, is it do you think it's time for Rod Rod Marinelli to step up and say give me this guy and it'd be a high level draft pick. It'd say it's the twenty eighth player I instead of saying, oh, no, you can just give me a fifth round guy and I'll

be okay. I think Rod Marinelli falls into the trap of he's like, I want guys who hustle and who work hard and bring their lunch pill every day. And that's a great attitude. You want that, but you need talent too, you need guy And that's what we talked about this defense not getting any takeaways. The Bears got takeaways. Charles Tillman got like twelve a year for like all

peanut punch, Jeff, they're the DBS. Don't make players on the ball even I mean, can will play and Jerry convince him to do this, then they don't need to convince him to do anything. Don't Lay and Jerry make the calls. And you need to get a list from Rod of the guys that he likes and get him

in here. And yeah, yeah, I mean, but he might not like the guys that we're talking about, those high level we're talking about defensive ends that could actually play instead of a guy down the line in the fourth, fifth round. He'll find a way to use them if they're there, and you can never predict it. You don't want to reach. Obviously, drafting for need can be dangerous, but all things being equal, the first player taken by the Cowboys in this draft should be on defense. But

he's just who knows long term trust? David Charles Tapper or Chaz Green? Are you drafting there at both spots? Um? Okay, well I would draft at both anyway regardless I get long term trust. I trust Chads more because I've seen him play and he played well. Ye you're talking about the health of both. Really, yeah, you trust him? Is the playing ability and the health wise or you letting you now worried because now you're gonna have to probably

draft to those two spots. Here's the thing. Okay, you're not really counting on Charles Tapper to be a difference maker anyway he was. He was pick one on one, like you're wouldn't you when you wouldn't you expect him to be one on one at one on one. I expect him pick one thirty five, maybe the league ndpick. We were we expecting that, were we you drafted though?

But if he goes back to Miranelli, I think once you're talking about fourth round picks, obviously you want all your draft picks to be good, Sure you do, but when you get into the fourth round, you're no longer talking about players that you expect to start and excel. You're not drafting Anthony at at at what d hellmanan d at the fourth The third round is a Dane said it last night. The third round, third up to the third round. You expect these guys to be starters.

Everything after that you expect him to not be terrible and hope for the best. So with that in mind, Chaz is a third round pick. I'm expecting him. I need him to be the tackle of the future. When Doug Free is gone, Tapper, you need to fix d end anyway, they need to put resources into that regardless of what Tapper is. Would you agree with that? Yeah? I think so? Okay, So honestly, for me, do I

sound crazy? Offensive tackle is the bigger concern in the long term because you don't have anything behind Doug Free. If Chas Green's no good whereas you need, you got a lot of stuff you gotta fix on the defensive line. You're not looking at Charles Tapper to be your savior. Chaz Green needs to be something or else You're gonna have to draft somebody. So I don't know. Did I answer your question? Yeah, that's good. McDermott and or Banner. We talked about two pac twelve guys. Yeah, we look

at tackles. I don't think it would be a bad idea to draft an offensive tackle in this draft. If I mean basically, I guess I could have summed up that way. Name a position you'd be surprised that the Cowboys would draft in the first round. I said this, Okay, they have no business drafting a quarterback, a running back, and I think a center. I forgot center. Yeah, no

need for a center and a lineback. Linebacker, Yeah, I think those are the four where I would really be like, huh, Although now that I mean if something crazy happened, if if Leonard Fournette was sitting there at twenty eight and they just I mean it would It's not necessary, but I wouldn't. I mean, you're talking about BPA right. If injuries pushed Dalvin Cook to twenty eight and they draft would I would get it. I might not agree with it, but I would get it. But those four, those four positions,

no go away. I don't give me a position you'd be surprised though they would draft any other one. No, I mean quarterback, running back, center, linebackery, everything else. Everything else is open. Kicker and punter obvious, Like, get that out of here. You're not drafting that long snapper. I think guard would be surprising, but I don't. The offensive line is your bread and Butter's the reason they're good in the first place. So I'm not gonna jump down

their throats for doing that. Why what about you? No, I I think that to me. Every other position I think is you can you could talk me into doing it. You could talk me into a safety, a corner, an end, a d tackle, an offensive tackle, a wide receiver. What am I missing, I'm gonna get you. I didn't. This didn't then follow up with this question. Then here's my other question. Do you draft another mid round quarterback or Kellen Moore? Or do you work out Johnny Manziel. What's

gonna say? Get Johnny Manziel away from me. We've talked about this off the air. He might deserve another chance at the NFL. Work I said work out. I didn't say sign I said sorry, I said, draft a mid round quarterback Kellen Moore or workout Johnny Manziel. I think a young quarterback should be on this team, the same thing I said about the running back. Okay, draft me a quarterback in the sixth round or sign a guy in me fall back up. Then what if that Clemson

kids there at twenty eight Deshaun Watson? Yeah no, no, if if if Deshaun Watson's there at twenty eight, you leverage that into a trade with somebody who needs a quarter But you don't want to go back because you don't want to use to lose the fifth year option. That I'd rather have the picks than a quarterback that's gonna not do anything at all. He's not gonna do anything he's gonna sit behind freaking MVP candidate Dak Prescott. There's no neat no, And yeah, you lose the fifth

year option. I'd still what if you what if I told you, all right, they go back from twenty, I think you'd be a pretty good fit for how they play offense. Now, what if I told you you could have two top fifty picks instead of Deshaun Watson. Oh, then and there's a fifth year option. Is gonna help him on Zach Martin? Here two top fifty picks and then your second round picks, So you get three picks in the top sixty or so as opposed to a quarterback.

You need to learn the whole draft, though, before I think I know, I don't. It would suck to lose the fifth year option. It doesn't make even a lick of sense to draft Deshaun Watson. I'd rather have Leonard Fournette collecting cobwebs behind Zeke than Deshaun Watson. Just that doesn't know that was not going to be there or not. It's January. We're just quarterbacks so much in the first round, you have to trade that pick if that's what happens.

If it's any quarterback if and you said BPA, right them the Broncos or the Seahawks just did this, didn't they Are they traded back to thirty two though, Yeah, they traded back and then they took the tackle the tackle guard? Fine, tex I mean you want the fifth year option. But in that case, I would trade Pat Mahomes interest you mid round guy maybe Texas Tech. Absolutely.

If I mean we don't have a fifth rounifth round, yeah, we don't have a fifth round pick right now, but if we did, yeah, I would draft that guy in a heartbeat in the round. Kaya Kaya, Sure, I would rather have Davis Webb as a priority free agent than give Johnny manziella workout. I know that you would. Do you think Johnny Man's is going to get a work out? I don't know. Let's talk about the draft. Not thought about him, but he was on their board pretty high

one time. He's got a lot more work to do than just admitting he was a douche on Twitter before I buy that he's like ready to get to work in this offense would be good for him. He's got a lot of work to do. Stop he could play in this offense. Stop here we go running out of time. Here's my last question for you. When it comes to picking players, who has the most influence over Jerry Jones? Take Stephen out of the equation, Will McClay or Jason Garrett.

How can you take Stephen out of the equation? Well, just take him out of the equation. I'm just trying to take can't though, it's all, It's all. I'm just saying, Okay, it's going to Stephen and Jerry both. Who has the most influence over the Joneses, Will McClay or Jason Garrett picking players? Will? It should be Will. If it's not. This is Will's job all year round, and he's got a pretty damn good resume. You're not gonna give Jason

credit for the right kind of guy? Man, the right kind of guy tred goes out the window on occasion. So not really, I don't I don't know. I don't necessarily buy that. No, I seem to remember it by the way I seem to of course, of course they don't need to give him any gear at the Pro Bowlers. I seem to remember some defensive ends joining this roster a couple of years ago. Who, Yeah, we're good football players,

but not the right kinds of guys. Um, do you think do you think looking back at Randy Gregor, do you think that Jason Garrett was talked into that one? And DeMarcus Lawrence? And I mean, I know he's not drop pick, but Greg, are you too? Um? Probably? Yeah, if I had to guess, probably, And that I mean, and that's I mean, that's the m of the draft. So you're talking about yesterday. He got a lot of problems, but he's a hell of a talented football player. And

sometimes it works out for you and sometimes it doesn't. Um, I think Will, I think the brain trust of Will and Stephen is the engine that drives Cowboys. I agree with your draft strategy. I agree with you on that. So all rightfully they can keep it going. We're about to be done here. Some just some final thoughts, So thanks for playing with the game. Yeah, I hope we got you guys thinking a little bit at home. Still want a draft? I mean I always tie all these

free agent moves into and you can't. You can't draft everybody. No, but you know what, I'm interested to see at the bottom of the board if they if we do see a surprise pick. I mean, that's that's the prime and maybe it's not going to be a quarterback, but I that's the prime territory to do something like that, because at twenty eight we couldn't pass up this guy. At twenty eight, you're talking about a guy who either fell

or a guy who's not a first round grade. Like that's so it's the prime time to do something like that. I hook Travis Frederick at thirty. Not many people thought that they were going to do that. I support it, and honestly I wrote about this today. I know we're running out of time, but last year it was we are screwed without a quarterback. We gotta do this, we gotta fix this. We won four games right this year, I know the pass rushing help, I know the cornerback

situation is iffy. But this year, I think you're coming into this with a different mindset, is like, all right, let's just take stock. We've got we got some holes to fill, but this is a good core and we can We've got some freedom to kind of play around here. I think that's gonna make it interesting. I like what you said, Okay, well that's gonna do it for us here in Mobile, Alabama, I want to thank everybody out there once skin for watching us, for listening, for tweeting,

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