Draft Show: LIVE @ Senior Bowl 2017 - Day 2

but we'll get into that. I want to kind of set the scene no a little bit before we get going here. Appreciate everybody that joined us last night, caught us either on all the different platforms, whether that was on the app, on Dallas Cowboys dot Com on Periscope. We do appreciate Twitter all that we got all that kind of taken care of. So it was really really cool to have everybody involved. We're gonna the same kind of format we did last night. I'm going to talk

about the practice. Also want to get into your questions. It's always important. We can't take calls, but we can do Twitter. On the twenty Dave and I sent out the notice to trying to get your questions in. Make sure you send them to at the draft show, and that way Dave can get him and he can include your name on that and everything, and then we can answer your questions if not only have to be about the senior ball, but any kind of draft questions you

might have. We've got the guys here to handle all that. So with that being said, got the two practices in today?

Anything stand out? I know that's a broad question, and I usually don't want to ask a bunch of broad questions, but you and I got into discussion about the pace of practice from the from the shoo Chiago staff and the Cleveland staff, and it was funny because I kind of felt like that I got something from the Cleveland staff, but you were on the other side of it, though you felt like the Chicago staff had a little bit more pace to their practice. I don't think there's any

question the I don't know. To me, it was obvious the difference between the two practices. And it's the true nature of an All Star game like this. It's it's for the players and it's for the scouts, right, it's for evaluation purposes. Where the Browns practice was a lot more implementation installation trying to win a football game exactly, it will and I guess didn't work during the season.

Let's try and win the Senior Bowl. A big part of it's also teaching, and so you know, it's it's a great opportunity for the Browns because for their coaching staff, they can teach these guys, you know, with the walkthroughs and the different installations, and they can understand from from the coach who understands the coaching and then who progresses throughout the week. But for the scouts and everyone watching, all of us, we don't necessarily get as much out

of that as the Browns coaches do. So from just outside perspective, I much prefer the North practice with the Bears, which is a lot more live action, a lot more one on one. Yeah, it's it's a lot more speed and game action, where with the Browns a lot more half paced and walkthroughs. Yeah. Brown's practice just was weird to me, and it didn't stand out to me as

much as it's funny. I didn't think that. I felt like it was a little bit more of a physical practice and maybe once they got going, it was hey, you know, the Browns are like a focal point of the NFL right now for how they're trying to switch it up with the analytics and stuff. Maybe maybe that's part of it, maybe they're trying something different. But I've watched a lot of practices in my time, and that was unique, Like just the stuff they were doing, the

pace they were moving at. They had guys with like cameras down in the huddle, and you know, maybe if it's Wednesday, Thursday, Friday in the NFL during the regular season, but I was very surprised to see that at an all start. Now, Okay, well then I will I will take it as two to one. They did not like my view of practice. Like maybe the Browns are geniuses. Yeah, maybe they will. It's almost one game. I don't want

to use the word selfish. Yeah, but you know they're they don't really care about showcasing these guys for the rest of the league. Okay, you know, they want to do it their way. I'll give you a platform on the Browns. That's fine, Yeah, I'll give you. I'll give you the platform. Go ahead, and and you're you're going the right direction. You as a scout, you don't appreciate how the Browns are well practice, it's the same thing as uh, there's the Saints have been in the news

this last few days. Yeah that now that's selfish on their part. But hey, it's it's trying to win football, trying to make friends. That's that's that's garbage. What the Saints are to me taking people off campus that you can't do. That is surprising to me to hear you because I'm a cheating guy. Yeah, because you're a shady

guy in favor of getting an edge no matter how. No, I'm all for the I'm all for the getting the edge, but in this setting right here, I think this is and trust me, you're talking to a guy that was from the you know, fist fighting with guys at the combine. I've heard some of your tricks about how you used to get guys alone at the combine. So yeah, but but but I understand that that you're gonna you're gonna use that against me tomorrow because I was talking about it.

If I was a guy, I would want to look like that. Utahs are the Connecticut safety you remember that. But no, but I'm against that, and when well, this made me for another day but I I don't like the fact that them removing players from the group just to interview. I don't like that setup. To me, it's not too don't hamper me doing my job. But to me, okay, that's not much different than what I think the Browns are doing with the practice. Okay, well, I'll let you

argue that. You know it's something that but there's it's it's there's no set of rules I say the Browns have to do it this way. It's just kind of understood that's how it's been done in the past. And so this is my seventh Senior Bowl. I'm have never seen a practice run like the way the Browns do it. That doesn't mean it's wrong, doesn't mean that, you know, the Browns should be receiving all this criticism, just different.

And you think you think Scouts feel the same way you do right now watching it and the and the fans that there. You know, if you want to, if you want to tweet us, if you were watching practice today on TV on the NFL network and you kind of felt like maybe you weren't. I mean, being live is different than watching on TV, of course, but it

wasn't like the Browns practice was one hundred percent. The whole two hours was nothing but walk throughs, and you know it was the first hour was mostly that and then they did some one on ones that in the trenches and you know, they did some some pit stuff. But for the majority and then the final half hour I thought was more. I mean, it did some seven on seven stuff, but even that was it wasn't didn't feel full speed. You know, it was fairly just basic stuff.

And like I said, more installation for the game. To win a game. They're gonna come out here on Saturday and have a playbook and like roll over the North just it's gonna be gambling, it gonna be all right, let's little shift gears here, Dave, you had a better chance of getting some practice stuff in today. Yeah, I got the one around watching the owner and a general manager and all that. But some guys, anybody in particular, you know, at certain positions, we all focus in on

defensive end and cornerbacks and all this stuff. I'm gonna anybody else kind of stuck jump out at you. I'm gonna sound like the football simpleton, because like what stands out when you watch these types of practices, Well, like the receivers of guy's the ability to make play the skill players. Yeah, and I think I thought several running backs had a decent day today too. Um okay, like pet Kat for the Senior Bowl. For me, is this Cooper Cup kid. Okay, it's awesome. I've watching him play.

He like runs routes, he knows where to be in the defense. I don't I haven't seen him make a bad play. I haven't seen him lose to anybody yet. And in the same vein, Uh, your guy Ryan Switzer out of North Carolina's almost as good, but I think cups Cup was better from what I saw today. Switzer's really good too. Who's the Wisconsin running back Clement I thought he was really good today. He got his butt

kicked in past pertection has Reddick. Yeah, he got his butt kicked, but he came back and I don't know who it was against, but he came back and bowed up on the next guys. I just all around. I thought he was really good. And then I'm just gonna take a stab in the dark because y'all are the experts, and I'm ready for you to tell me that this guy is actually terrible. But I was very intrigued by Kareem Hunt, number one senior running back. Right there, dude

is an He was kicking butt today. He was running over and around people. And again it's not real football, but he was getting to the end zone on every rep. I just I was. And he's big. He's like two hundred and thirty. He's six foot two hundred and twenty five. Yeah, big dude. And I just I thought he looked great out there. Yeah. He To me, he's entering the week he was a top senior running back and leaving the week he'll be my top senior running back. Great career.

I think he finished his career third and MAC history and rushing yards um, And I think you kind of nailed it with He is a bigger guy, but he's also quick, he's shifty, he can make guys miss. Very good receiver all around. I mean I gave him a three fourth grade and a player that could fight for top one hundred Statu's probably more of a fourth round guy, especially with all these junior running backs coming out. Right, But to me, the top three running backs are on

that North team. North Team, Yes, Cream Hunt, right, Jamal Williams. Then is he Yeah, he's yeah, okay, So yeah, those are the top three guys for me. And I think you nailed it with Hunt and sorry, oh no, but you know, and if you're a Cowboys fan and my my job is to fight in the Cowboys, Yeah, actually I was gonna I was gonna go there. You're sitting there going, who cares? We have the all pro rookie now,

But yeah, I am very Look at your roster. You got Alfred couldn't make the active roster, Morris right active for the last month. You got Darren free agent McFadden and right Lands free agent Dunbar and poor Darius Jackson's languishing in Cleveland because of some short sighted rosters. Okay, let me ask you this though, of the guys in Dane, you're probably better because you've seen them all. I like what you're saying. But people talk about could the Cowboys

use a running back? Okay, first off, or do we have that complete running back? We talked about this a lot with Zeke. You know, guy that never comes off the field, guy that plays three downs. Guys is gonna step up and hit somebody on the blitz pick up or any of these guys who were talking about really

three down players. I think Kareem Hunt could be that guy and someone that might be available on day three, a player who, yeah, can hold him in pass, broke and run routes out of the backfield, and a very good rusher. So I think Kareem Hunt does fit all that criteria better than a Darius Jackson, more a lot more proven. I don't think that he might not test as well as Jackson did, so he's not going to run the four four exactly. But at the same time, I'll take all the tape that Hunt has, you know,

because he's proven. I know what he brings to my roster. And if I can get him and say the four fourth round, that's not bad value there. No, I And you got Jackson last year in the sixth, right, So I mean I'm I'm and fourth on I mean, you can't predict this stuff right now. Fourth sounds too rich for me for a running back when you have Ezekiel Elliott. Sure, right, but I'm I'm very interested in finding a young guy who can be behind him on the depth chart. And

you know, fifth round priority free agent. We kind of thought that was gonna be Darius Jackson. They carried him for twelve weeks should be Darius Jackson. Yeah. Something to watch for with this draft class is the amount of running backs in this class. We had so many juniors come out that some of these guys can be pushed down.

So Kareem Hunt, who have a three fourth grade on who knows, maybe he's there in the fifth and one of these other guys that you know have grades in the third round, fourth round, fifth round might be available a round or two later just because the influx of running backs. Not everyone's gonna draft a running back, and so these guys we pushed down the board a little bit. Is there any running back that you liked better than Elliott in this current draft I'm talking about, so the

Elliot would have been your time. Now. I have stuck true to this since the start, since the summer. There's so much hype about this draft class. Dalvin Cook, Leonard Fournette great players, all right, no doubt, there's so much to like about him. But if Zeke was in this draft class, he would be the top running back in

terms of migrating system. Would some teams disagree? Probably? Some teams might prefer a Cook or a Fournette for me, give me Elliott, the guys they're gonna be on the field that I know can be on the field all

three downs and make an impact. But Dan, I just heard you say something interesting that that some running backs might get pushed down, right, because but is that the Dane Bruglar evaluation of of well, you don't need a running back where teams might have seen what's going out on now with Ezekiel Elliott and said, whoa, whoa, wait

a minute. Now, if teams are gonna play light fronts and be up the field players and we're gonna hammer you with a two hundred and twenty five pound back, could we see a resurgence of the running back where people value them more. Yeah, I think that is. You know, it's a copycat league and everyone's gonna want to look forward to match kind of with the pitch team's running

the football. But I think more so just the underclassman that came out the juniors, right, the influx of all those talented guys, A lot of those guys are gonna go in the in the top one hundred guys like you know some J. P. Ryan and Deonta Foreman McCaffrey and mixing problem will Curtis Samuel. I mean you can go on and on. I like mixing, by the way, and I understand just talking on field him on the

field stuff right there. He's my second best back. These guys are gonna be pushed down the board, and so you might be able to get good value fourth fifth round where kind of well, no, when waving you way off, I'm just getting go ahead kind of what Hellman was saying about the fact that fourth round does sound a little rich for a running back for this team. But when these guys get pushed down a little bit, fourth fifth round value might be too good to pass up.

Don't window dress your board. No, you're not gonna win to dress the board, all right. Let me ask you this though, for this team, though, would you take a safety in the fourth round or would you take a running back? All things being equal, Yeah, I'd rather have the safety. I think you have to. I mean, ideally, Ezekiel Elliot's not coming off the field for me, I know. I mean he came off the field way too much as a rookie. Agree. I hopefully as he get grows

in matures that happens less and less often. So I mean, unless unless something wonky happens. I assume the safety is the better bet for this team. Yeah, you can find running backs. I mean it's always you can, which is ironic because we were pounding the table to yeah, you just were a guy like Darius Jackson was you know, he was out there for the teams to pick him up.

I mean, this team almost got Thomas listening to you guys talk about all these runners and then you just you know, well, it just depends on the Literally, Zeke and the Cowboys was like a lightning strike. It was the perfect blend of a team that shouldn't have been picking that high, that had an amazing offensive line, and

great we do this. Then for the teams like for the teams that do need a running back, the teams that we saw that we're running back poor this year, the Giants looked like a team that it was running back poor, teams like Green Bay that was using wide receivers. And again this is for the folks out there they're fans. I think I think you're gonna see and I always

defer to Day on stuff like this. I think you're gonna see a solid amount of running backs taken in the first round of this year's draft, like maybe even as many as four, which sounds like a boatload. But I'll be surprised if it's coming as high as the Cowboys pick last year. Like I know a lot of people love to mock Fournette to Carolina at like eight.

Even that seems kind of rich to me. Somebody move up and get it back and less if you don't have the resources aka the line or a quarterback who scares defenses, I don't know that it's worth going that high. I think we'll see Fournette and Delvin Cook go somewhere in the top twenty, both of them land. You know, Indianapolis is a possible fit. I think Baltimore, Caroline, I think Carolina. Yeah, definitely haven't go in that direction. Let's say it's not possible. I'm saying, yeah, I don't think.

I don't think Zeke being so good makes anybody rethink the idea that running backs is not a great return on investment. That's all I'm saying. But I do think these running backs are so good that I think you'll see more than usually. Who would be the four that you think could go first? Besides it too, there's the two and then Mccaffreycaffrey is an option towards the back end and then between a throw. And I'm spitballing here, but I mean Mixon's out there for somebody foreman. Maybe Yeah,

it's way too rich for my blood. But I know I first, if Mixon didn't have the it didn't have the off the field stuff, would he be a first down first round, would be a top fifteen player. Yeah, well, but you can't ignore it. But if he should have gone top fifteen, maybe somebody's willing how many years removed?

All we own this by the way, so it'll be three and three three years, So it'll it's gonna be a fascinating test case with Joe Mixon because so this is something this isn't like, you know, with all of a sudden we see video with offensive town with the gas mask on the day of the draft, it still goes fourteen. Yeah, it's but I know that marijuana is different. It's three years removed. It's coming on three years removed, and that's I mean, he'll get drafted higher than I

think he should. Very likely he'll get drafted I think somewhere in the top one hundred. I think third round is my guests where I think he'll be drafted, but people will have him off the board, you think too, Absolutely, yeah, I mean I probably. I mean were they scared, Well, they just don't want the headache of dealing with a player. I don't think PR nightmare. I don't think scared it Michael Vick a worset PR nightmare, Michael, that happened a

decade after you got draft. The bottom line in the end, I'm just saying that the Eagles took him. On bottom line for the NFL. If you're general manager, you got

to win games. Okay. That's so you're line one, right, and so you're not really measure It's not your job to be the moral police here, right, but you have to measure whether or not he's a fit for the culture of your locker room, and then if whether or not you're willing to I know this sounds, you know, not exactly PC, but you know you have to understand if you're if you want to deal with that PC with a PR nightmare, because as soon as your team drafts him, there's going to be the video is gonna

be all over the place, and so you have to deal with that. And so you have to have a strong general manager, a strong ownership this and everybody already seen the video. Sure, but it's going to be played and replayed and replayed over and over again. Perception is reality and time, and it's in the league the way it is right now. I don't think that goes away, period, especially in the court of public opinion, which is what

matters to a lot. It should I'm not saying it shouldn't, but that matters even more so than the you know, than the situation. What Tyreek Hill did was worse. Yeah, and what he knows when what he did happened a lot it was a lot more relevant, you know, in terms of chronologically when it happened, so, you know, but he still was drafted in the fifth round and right now, no one's really talking about that when he's scoring touchdowns

and he's a candidate for Rookie of the Year. There are some strong general managers in this league, and there's some strong coaches that will take a shot at that kid. Well, the thing that's working for Mixon is this is how about Seattle. Well, look, the thing that's working for him is this isn't like a known you know, a guy that has a lot of stuff on his rap sheet. You know, this is kind of an isolated inter's seen it with our own eyes. The Oklahoma coaching staff speaks

very highly of who he is as a person. I think he'll interview well and you know, so he has that working for him. But still it's a hot button issue. I think, I don't know, how do we get on this top Yeah, I don't know, but actually just and I needed the help of Google. I'll be totally honest, but Kamara is a guy that I like. He made my top fifty board and foreman. And then just by virtue of the fact that I don't even know where

he would play. Curtis Samuel probably not, but like that's a name that's gonna that there are a lot of these types of players that will be there. And then that doesn't even include Mixon, who where he goes entirely depends on how comfortable as a team we just I mean, he'd be a top twenty pick if there's nothing wrong I got on this subject. Because you didn't like the way North practice to or the South practice today, Well, I think it all goes back to the fact that

there's so many running back. Tell me then okay, well tell me then, okay, tell me then who you liked if you want to get if you want to get away from the topic. But it's something that general managers think about it. If you're scared, we can talk about something else. Dane, all right, let's go and talk about the North practice. No, I'm fine with it. I just think it's I think it's something that we know when we talk about investigate and educate. It's something that general

managers have to think about. This is this sounds just like the Frank Clark conversation we had two years ago. Yeah, and he got drafted, and he got drafted higher than I think he should have gotten drafted based on what he did. But he's a good pass rusher, he's doing good stuff in Seattle, so and most of the time these guys wind up living up to it on the field. Unfortunately, in my opinion's gonna have a chip on his shoulder.

That is why Joe Mixon will get drafted, and like he'll get drafted higher than I think you should be. But I mean, it's hard to predict. It's hard to predict because just like all I mean, the biggest cliche and draft talk All it takes is one. All it takes is general management. Let me the ending with this. If I was on the if I was if if you were on a club and they made the selection, would you you would fight against it? I would be against it. Would you fight against it? I mean when

not drafting at all, I wouldn't want him. I would draft him. Yes, at a certain point, yes, I mean I don't think that an incident for a player who the incident happened when he just turned eighteen years old, right, And I don't think an incident like that should keep him from having a career at what he's good at, right, you know, I don't. I don't think that should stop him. Now. If people want to be mad at the judicial system and the lack of penalties that came down, then that's fine,

but that's you know, I don't I don't know. At certain point, yes, I would draft him, Okay, I just want to make sure. Okay, talk about me. Talk about some of the guys that you you saw today and you and you did a thing for on Twitter following you at DP Burglar. You always list your top five that had practice, so you can go ahead. You got ten guys you really like today, We'll start with the North. I saw Reddick at the Temple. Linebacker really stood out, and this is a guy I liked a lot throughout

the season. He came out at number thirty eight on my initial top fifty board. He's so athletic and it's a former walk on. They didn't know where to play him. I try him a corner. They played him all over. He was kind of an edge guy, and he's six one and a half two hundred and thirty pounds. Sure doesn't have the length that you want to necessarily be

a defensive end. So where's he gonna play here? He's listen as an inside linebacker, So you know, I'm really eager to see how he does holding him in coverage and is moving around, and he got you know, allowed some spacing at times, a little wild when he was covering running backs out of the backfield, but he has

the athleticism and make up for that. I saw a couple of times we knocked balls down when the ball went to the flat, he was in position to actually and then and then when there was a contested catch, right, you saw him punching at the football to try and knock and that's exactly what I'm talking about. He lost or he gave up some spacing at the top of that route, sure, but he had the closing burst to make it up and knock the ball down at the

catch point. So yeah, his athleticism continue to stand out. And what I really liked what the North team did is they also let him rush right and use them on something. He got underneath the business Waddy the pit tackle. He got underneath them that dipped at natural flexibility and got to the pocket. So I still don't know one

hundred percent exactly where you're gonna play him. I think he's gonna be a stand up off the ball linebacker, but you can get creative with him because he can rush the pastor and you do a lot of things without athleticism. Well, i'll tell you what, I totally agree with you watching him play. I had not seen him in and uh on my article on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Yeah, I encourage you to read it the practice notes. He was a guy. Gave you credit for that because you did.

You did have him in your in your top five good player and uh, I need to need to take a look uh anybody else though, I mean I know you had a list of guys kind of working through Cooper cup Uh, you know we mentioned and it's it's hard not to like him because and I think the two words that that really pop with him as route savvy. He's so good at open creating that space, giving the

quarterback an open window. He and everyone's gonna, I think, well not everyone, but a lot of people are gonna be a little scared off at the combine when he runs a four five five or you know, doesn't test off the charts. And I wrote this in my practice report. But he's a better football player than athlete. And let's not overthink it. That's not a bad thing. At the end of the day, we're not running track here. We're playing football, right. You know you want athleticism, don't get

me wrong. You want athletes to go out there, but you want football players, and that's what this kid is. You look at the production, the most prolific wide receiver at the FCS level. He leads all divisions FBSFCS Division two division. This is not just a try hard guy. No, this is not This is not a just a hey he's a guy. He's got limited athletic ability and I mean that he's far because, and I'll prove your point.

I was watching, you know, Eastern Washington play against Youngtown's Steak, because that's watching Rivers play, and you know what, they're playing game, playoff game, and they're playing it up there in Eastern Washington and it's it's sl freezing cold, it's snow and it's all you know, you could see the conditions just look terrible. And who's making plays in the game. They keep throwing the ball and he keeps making plays. Give me a guy that in all conditions can go

make plays. It's a little bit like and again out there'll say, oh, you're comparing him to a white wide receiver. I'm not Jordy Nelson, Jordison a guy that played in bad weather and goes and makes a play. But something

too that. I really like what you just said though, because I was joking in the press box that this poor guy is gonna get compared to Welker and at Beasley and all these other like try hard white wide receivers who don't impress you when you're staying that, he's not like that right here, and I think Jordy Nelson is a way better comparison, even his fast I don't think, yeah, fact rout, Saddie, go get the football, throw the cape off, mud all over your body and arms, and you're still

making um land zero line. I was reading his write up on the guy, and I thought his comparison was really good too. I am a homer, I always admit, but he compared in Jarvis Landry and I was like, yeah, I can see he can go inside and out. He's probably not as athletic as Jarvis, but he's got great hands and he knows that was four or five five speed basically Landry. Yeah, but no he For those that want to know more about Cooper Cup, I posted my report on Twitter, so check out my timeline there. I

retweeted that too for you by the way. There. So yeah, Cooper Cup, they played a PAC twelve opponent every single year Eastern Washington against those four opponents the last four years. Here is stats against the PAC twelve opponents. Forty catches, seven hundred and sixteen yards, eleven touchdowns. Yeah. So when he did go up against FBS competition, it's not like he disappeared and you know he's yeah, he's I mean, I'm watching this guy, and I'm like, bring bring him

to the Cowboys in the second or third round. That's fine with me, He'll take it. He's a guy who I think is going to be best in the slot because his ability to manipulate space where you know a lot of incutting route, a lot of posts. He knows how to get open in space, and so he can do those things as a slot receiver. Doesn't mean he camp on the outside as a number two. I think he's best inside as a slot guy. Yeah, anybody else you got on that list? Who else do I have here?

Um Moten the Western Michigan tacol I thought it had a nice day the whole week. I thought he's been pretty good. Terrell Basham the Ohio pass Rush. Yeah, interesting guy. I wrote about him today because I like what you were talking about it. I got to stop. There was like there was like one It's like he's got that kind of a right in body, but it was able to get some production off the left and the right side. Russian. I kind of liked that what I saw from him.

Who had the fight in the South practice? That was a kid from Miami. Yeah, Rayshawn Jenkins and uh the our Grambling guy Grambling William J. Williams. Yeah, I went at it. I always like to see that. I can't get the blood pumping, you know, get after it. Yeah, I'll tell these people what you're trying to throw out A guy I like and I wrote about I wrote about him today, and I will tell you who I wrote about because I like the fact that I didn't

see it from Cameron Sutton yesterday. I didn't see greatness from Cameron Sutton. And I had a lot of people asked me about him. I thought he was just okay. Then the Browns did me a favor today. They played him It's safe and they and you know what, he got to cover O J. Howard and he wasn't terrible doing it. O J. Howard has been running through you know, been unstoppable, you know, catching these Yeah, he is by far,

he's the best player here. But what I liked though about Sutton though, is they tried him in a different position. He was playing as a nickel almost like a nickel linebacker, so they put him down. They thought he was physical enough to be the nickel linebacker, played him some bit safety. They played him in the slot, and they played him outside a corner. So if you're talking about a guy who I didn't, I'm like, okay, I'm not noticing you.

Now today, all of a sudden, they put him in a different spot and he looks like a different football player. So I didn't think, like the tape at Tennessee was all that great. No. We watched that together, Yeah, and we it was just not that impressive, and I was thinking, Okay,

I had him down at a certain level. But now I'm thinking, well, man, if he can do some of these things that we were talking, and we'll get a chance to watch the Senior Bowl practice and I'll show You'll point out to you at times when you know when Howard was running across the field and who was chasing him and who was trying to be in position, so you know, keep an eye on him. Though as as that type of guy, I did like him a lot and I liked what I saw from him in

that way. So anybody else, though, they kind of stand dow anybody else to jump out on you. One other guy that I wanted to mention from the North practice is John new Smith, the Florida international tight end. I think we talked about the South team and all those tight ends like Howard and Ingram and Gerald ever right, but it was John new Smith on the North team. He deserves mentioned. Not quite as as good as those

top three, but he's close. And he doesn't have the traditional build of a tight end yea six h two six exactly, but he did okay. As a blocker he held his own and then as a route runner, very good release off the on, sharp footwork to get in and out of his brakes, create a little bit of separation, very athletic tight end. I think John new Smith is going to be a little bit of a riser throughout this process. What you think about when we talked. I

talked a lot yesterday about Jordan Lewis. I thought he struggled a little bit more today then I did. Mean. I saw guys go instead of being up on him like he was yesterday, felt like and the referees were here today too, saw more flags, more holding, more stuff like that, and a little bit kind of like, whoa wait a minute, Maybe he is what he I mean we talk about he's not going to be this or this or this, but he you know, he was a guy that yesterday showed something, but today I was a

little bit disappointed in the way he played. Coaches spent a lot of time with him, kind of going over some things at the Bear Staff. They had a lot of time to talk with with with Jordan Lewis with a couple of mistakes he was making, giving up some some catches here and there. So not a great day. It wasn't a terrible day for him, but wasn't as good as yesterday for Jordan Lewis. Can you tell me

about Isaac Rochelle then from Notre Dame shifting gears? You know, I think he's I think he looks like a three four defensive end to me, right and you know that that guy could play the head up the five, play with the hands two gaps him at two nineties he was, he was right at two eighty two six three two eighty two. He's got according to the Bill parcels measurements. If you look for a base end in the three

four defense. Bill was always like, give me the guy that was, say, six six two eighty you know that that type of guy. But this guy, this kid right here's six four, two hundred and eighty two pounds. Though when you saw him at Notre Dame was there anything? Was am I? Am I going down the right path with him? Or am I? It's funny you watch the right tape, you get really excited about Rochelle, then watch another tape and you're I don't know, I mean, so

really inconsistent from tape to tape. But uh, there's a lot to like there, There's no question about it. I personally like Wormling the Michigan kid, right. I like him a lot better at the casement, so I too a little bit. Yeah, And then I mean he's to me, he was a defensive end. He's over right, around three hundred pounds, right, so he looks like it looks more like a three technique. But to me, wormleys as best as a base end. Keep him outside five technique or

he could be outside in a four to three. So Wormly impressed me more. But Rochelle, there is something there. Gotta figure him out because the thought, okay, remember that all the Notre Dame guys who used to do in the tape was always inconsistent with those guys, and now they're all playing late. Okay, we're gonna take our first

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to get the questions into you, Eddie. Eddie actually tweeted me earlier in the show, so he maybe he's listening to shout out to you, Eddie. Uh. Jeff Perkins, who is wearing an Aggie hat in his avatar, wants he wants to know about Justin Evans. He's how and how is he doing this week? You know, Yeah, he's doing okay this week. Um, he's fast, he's a very very

good athlete and he'll move around a little bit. He's a little undersize, which you want for a safety came in one, so yeah, not doesn't have the prototypical size that you want necessarily, but he'll come up and hitch you, there's no question about it. The mistackles on tape drive me nuts with Justin Evans. Um that was kind of an A and M staple in their secondary it was, but he was asked to be more of a strong

for the Aggies. What if he's more of a free and he can use the use that range, you know, play single high and I don't know, I I'm weary about Justin Evans just because the mistackles and mistakes drove me nuts when I when I watched his tape. But there's a lot of ability there. I think you can coach a little bit more out of him. Uh it's a player who he was only two years at A and M. He was a Juco kid, So I think

there's still more you can get out of him. Very interesting to see where he ends up in terms of draft value. Is you need to be a second rounder or be more of a third round Now he ends up somewhere at day two. I like. I like what you're talking about though with the movement though, I think they played him a little bit deeper and let him do a little bit the more of the range stuff. I think you're onto something there. But yeah, second or third that's kind of where you're gonna look at him.

I love our fans or anybody who listens to this show is smart. I feel like and I love Chris jumping onto the trend bandwagon early because he went We talked a lot about Jake, but he wants to know about Gamblee type prospects for the second round, specifically because it's basically accepted by Cowboys fanswere that we're gonna do something Lacky in the second round, So predict that that's that's when it could be. That's when you get a

general manager that's not going to fire him. Our owner that's not gonna fred the general manager when you need to when you need to pay for that retirement lake House, you'll make those say picks you. You won't be like Brian Brouss. You won't take mix and you'll take somebody else. So is there somebody I feel like we've talked about but a decent bit all ready. But is there anybody out there that kind of strikes this course? Let me

let me throw a scenario out there. Though I don't think that O. J. Howard gets to Dallas at twenty eight, but you need a tight end. We talked about several tight ends that were involved at the Senior Bowl. We think that are not bad options. But but do you if Howard doesn't get to you would plan B to B too? All right? Now, if we don't get him, plan B is too okay, second round? Would you go into a draft thinking that? Would you go into I don't.

If we don't get Howard at twenty eight, then let's turn around take the best player we can at twenty eight and hope again that we can get but at the back end of the second Yeah, I think that's that'd be. That'd be the plan right there. You know, Jake but's an interesting player because he's not great in anyone area, but it's pretty good across the board as a blocker, receiver, route runner. Gotta does everything right, not

at an elite level. You factor in the ACL now and we'll have the way to the combine and figure out what's going on and you know the rehab. But you know, I think he's the best answer to the question about that second round guy who right, you have plenty of questions about in terms of you know, medicals and maybe not just the tape, but he would fit. I don't know. This is a strong tight end class. So if they don't get Howard in the first or even a button the second, there are plenty of other

options you can go. I think the way their board's gonna set, I think it's gonna be Howard in the first. I think they're gonna not stay parcels again, to use his line, They're not gonna stack those tight ends in there like club sandwiches. It's not gonna be you know you're not gonna have that a little Yeah, you're gonna space it out. So we have a buch of grilled cheese sandwiches. Let me, you know, just flat grilled cheese sandwich.

Let me throw a hot take at you then. I mean, as far as I know, Jake Budd is not dealing with nerve damage like Jayleen in this day and age. For me, even I mean, even though you know he probably won't be much of a fact actor as a rookie, at least not right away, is an acl enough to scare a team off from taking him higher than that? Just I mean, knowing that he'll make a full recovery, he'll be fine. Well, what are the teams that use these tight ends nowadays? Yeah, you know that team's gonna

be picking behind you if he's that good. You know you gotta watch. Like you say, you were worried about New New England. You know, everybody was scared about New England going to get Jayalen Smith ahead of Dallas. They weren't going to do that, but would they go do it for a tight end? You know, that's where you know, would would they get you know, would they go do that? Especially if they lose more tell us Bennett right, that

kind of a situation. So I don't know. I mean, that's that's a thought that's to me, and I don't know all the injured guys. When we get further down the road, that's kind of figure out who the injured guys are, because we'll get to the combine and there'll be somebody that's got something wrong with them and it will drive him down the board. We need to save that question for maybe at the combine or even later to find it. Absolutely, I hate I'm sorry, Dane. No,

for all we know. Toach McKinley, that might be a more. Yeah, so we'll wait if if Mixing sitting there when they picking the back end of the second round. I mean, I'm not saying I would be happy about it, but you can't do it. We're not getting back into that subject, Cup, Cup. I don't blame you, Cup, except when we talked about Cupe times already. Yeah. Yeah, going against Desmond King today, Yeah, Cup got the better of him, Sure he did. Is that more of a positive for Cup or a negative

for King? Do I feel like it's both? I mean you have to take it that way. It's it's tough for these dbs in this type of setting. Uh, you know, because you're going one on one against some pretty good receivers and King's not the fastest guy to be get with. It's not really his game. But uh, you know, we both think he's a safety. I think he's a safety, if you know, and and if it's one of those things where you see stuff like that, I wish that

they would try him some at safety. I thought there was a little period we were doing, the walk through period where they put him at safe you just to kind of give him a little bit different look, and and I'm like, Okay, they're gonna play it safety. So I get to see this a little bit, but didn't get to. But I think he's a safety, I really really do. And he's separating from everybody's cup cups not cups, not him and the North Carolina kid are They're having

a hard time covering those two guys. Gotten a couple of questions with my grandma, and I believe you talked you touched on him in your notebook tonight, h West Virginia Cornerbacks talked about you think you kind of always saw him as like a press man corner to me, that's what he is, right. That's when you watch his West Virginia tabe. That's when he was at his best.

When he was up at the line of scrimmage. Now he would miss sometimes with his jam, but when he did connect and he was able to, you know, disrupt the route, get guys uncomfortable, you know, that really paid off for him. I mean, he was the best player in that West Virginia defense sure his entire senior year. And he's got a great backstory. This is a guy who wanted to be an NBA star, uh and you know as a great name first that. Yeah, as high school went on, he kind of realized, you know what

football might be my best bet. Goes to Nasau Community College in New York, and you know, a guy who had to have his own apartment and he was taking the bus to school every day. He did that for three years, right, red shirted there and then played two years there before he went to West Virginia. He was a backup as a junior, and then as a senior really kind of elevated his game and showed that, you know, I belong on the NFL map, on the NFL radar, and he's done, he's gone or come to hear the

Senior Bowl. And I don't think he's looked out of place. No, he hasn't. I thought there was a couple of different times you watched him today on if you happen to do that. On the coverage, he jumped some routes he was in position, and I thought instead of being coverage, no, I mean off coverage. Yeah, And so he was able, especially down in the red zone. There were a couple of times where he was able to undercut a route, you know, and he was able to go in front.

And when you're talking about a guy that's uh, you know, he's six two two h four, that's a long guy. And I saw a couple of things that that made me think, well, maybe this guy, you know, with that kind of length, that kind of range, if he if he plays with that kind of awareness too, is ability to take away rounds, you might have a guy there. I initially kind of thought he was like a fourth round guy, and then I was and I think, well,

maybe I have him too low. I gave him. I gave him a three four based on tape, but four it seemed like Seattle or one of these teams that really value that length that you talk about the miss right those guys, Maybe you coach him up to where he doesn't miss. Yeah, wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes even higher than that, just based on measurable

raw measurable exactly. I know the answer to this for me, But for y'all, David wants to know, if O. J. Howard is there and you can get up and get him with the third round pick, would you do it? Would you move your third to get there? That's like, that's like a fourth round pick. That's good point. But yeah, you're probably jump into like, I don't know, nineteen twenty twenty one. Yeah, that is interesting. So yeah, I mean you're talking about a pick that's very close to being

out of the time. I don't I don't think anybody would would. I don't think anybody would kill the cows. That's a terrible word to use. I don't think anybody would fault, would fault that's a better word. Thank you for being educated. I don't think anybody would fault the Cowboys for an aggressive move to go get OJ Howard. I don't, I would you would? Yeah, this is a strong tight end class O. J. Howard is number one. If you would dispute that, but I don't think necessarily.

If he falls to you at twenty eight, okay, then you really have to consider taking him. But if I if I told you were getting Greg Olsen, would you give up a third? Don't tell me that that's are you grating OJ Howard as a Greg Olson? I think I think you have a Greg Olson career. I think I think he compared him to Greg ols I did I compared. I compare him to Greg Olsen. I do agree with I think as his ability to get down the field, separate and make catches. Okay, and he and

he's a better blocker than people give him credit. We used to and we saw that today when they kept him in, when they kept him in the block the edge, the linebacker on the blitz, what DoD he do? Stone? Stay? Stay? Stay? He shows that on his tape. He's not an overpowering guy by any means, but he gets in the way, he can sustain for a little bit and he gets the job done. You know that he can do that as a block. What if he was Tyler Eifford? No, I mean I'd rather in the second round pick up

one of these other Definitely not Eric. That guy has had a terrible career. Yeah he's he's kind of wasted his talent. Or the Lions pick, Yeah, he wasn't good as much. Sure the Lions would rather have Aaron Donald or Odell, But as much as I like O. J. Howard, I'm not giving up because I view my third rounder as a starter. I think I can find a starter in the third round. You shouldn't be able to actually on a defense. Charles Tapper, Yeah he gotta bring that.

Hey he's healthy. What about the compensatory pick in the fourth round last year? I want to trade that one? Yeah? You wanting up that one? Boys? Wait a minute? Who on the draft shows? Who on the draft show? We at one thirty five, we had them taking Dak Prescott. I'm just I'm just saying we had that pick. What he's saying is that just because it doesn't sound valuable doesn't mean it is. It's not valuable, like you can get You don't have five, do you, Dave? No, we

don't have a five right now? Yeah. See Dan, I don't blame him. He wants to have all his picks. I hate it. But and this defense needs help. But if you told me all due respect in the world to Jason Witten, like a dynamic red zone threat tight end who can go up and get the Greg Olsen, make this offense even nastier than a hearty Yeah, I don't know. Okay, you could talk me into it, but I wouldn't be number. Is he your seventeenth best player? What is oj Howard Howard? Yeah? Yeah, he was somewhere

in the teens. I mean he he's up there, so that I mean it makes sense and ms of value. But for this team, the strength of this tight end class, I feel much better about getting my tight end in the second or third round and getting an impact defense. Second round tight ends have worked out well here. Wow, yeah that should not. Why why are you throwing all these grenades? I'm just telling you, why are you throwing? What round was Jason wit And drafted him? He was?

He was he was drafting the third Okay, then just forget second round. He had a first round grade on that guy was last and that was he was our and that's our last third round grade. We had him at a one point one nine. You know what though though that in that draft, though there was you talk about a deep draft. L J. Smith, Uh Sideman Mike Sidon was in that draft as well, and then Dallas Clark was in that draft. Dallas Clark, iowas right here, old man, ye, old man, remember being at sixth grade

grade in that draft. Yeah, seriously, give me, give me some more questions I got. I got a couple of questions about Fred Ross. What y'all think of him? Action? He's a Mississippi State guy. Yeah, a lot of people talk in the action the Fred The Fred Ross buzz today was a ball because of Dak Right. Has he done anything this week for you? Caught one ball I saw today? Yeah? I know, I know you always cheer when I tell you what do you do today? Yeah? I believe it was Fred Ross. He I'm pretty sure

he before Trudavious White got hurt. He beat Trudavious White on a comeback for a decent game. Yeah, that's all I got. Fred Ross is a solid receiver. He you watch his uh Mississippi State tape. Anytime there was a third and seven, they're going to Fred Ross. He was there. Kind of their money player on those money downs. Very reliable. He's not gonna wow anyone with his athleticism or even his size. Not the biggest guy, but better than Dunia Wilson.

Oh yeah for eight. I'm just taking shouts at the Mississippi State guys. Yeah, Fred Ross. He leaves Mississippi State as the all time leading receiver and a lot of categories. Sure, a productive guy. He'll play in the NFL. But I I mean, if you're I don't see anything more than maybe a fourth receiver. Either my crazy or I didn't see. I didn't see. I wasn't really it wasn't one of those things where I was getting lit up. I mean

there's receivers out there, they're running routes and you see separation. Yeah. You even talk about your Michigan guy, Darbou. Yeah, Darbou? You know I mean, I mean him or Darbo? Oh give me Darbou. Yeah. Explain why you like Darbo so much? Well, I think he reminds me a lot of Jalen Strong when he was coming out of Arizona State, except he's Darbo is a better version. I think. You see, he's crafty, a strong. Everybody's talking about him as a high high pick.

I know, and I think Darbou is jail. I think Darbou is what we wanted Jayleen Strong to be. I think he's a crafty route runner, strong at the catchpoint, very good athlete. Not a speedster by any means, and not an elite speed guy. But in terms of getting open in his routes, I think he can do that. I like Darbou quite a bit, somewhere in the top one hundred third round area maybe. And let me ask

you this one more time. I'm talking about receivers. A lot of people out there Texas A and and H fans, you know, and and I get on you about Josh Reynolds. We'll be debating him throughout the process. There's no no question this is gonna be. This is gonna be because every time, yeah, because every time I say, oh, look at that, look at that, and then and he drops a ball in the day, he goes, oh look at that, and I'm like, Josh Reynolds, I'll take all day as

my number four receiver. I would love to have him as my number four as Okay, well, all like Reynolds or a ross Um, you know, because I with Reynolds, you have a little bit more upside. I think you have a little bit more like his vertical ability. I will take that because he can get a step down field, go up and catch the ball and be a playmaker. But I just don't. I mean, what is he Do you think he could be a number two in the league. I don't. I think you're right about that now. But

I'm not gonna say he's a four. But I don't think he's a natural slot guy. So to me, he feels like a Bryce Butler role, where yeah, he's a number four, Well, and give him time and maybe you know, he's a number four for you Andy, and then maybe after some time he can grow into a larger role. But I just I don't know. I don't. I'm not as high in him as some other people are. Doesn't mean I don't like him, No, No, I know that. No I did, because you know what, you think he's

way better. I think he is way better. He kicked Kansas States, but I watched that Bowl game he did. But Dane's right, because you mean he you know, he goes, oh, Chad Williams was gonna catch that ball. You know, Chad Williams is gonna catch And you know he's right by the way Gramley kid, I keep talking about him but he's he's had a he's he's helped himself, but he made that safety pretty mad for Miami. Yeah, okay, all right, yeah,

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to the shoulder pads and shorts variety. Oh yeah, I'm more of a walkthrough or as the Browns coaches would say, normal practice. But no, I mean we've talked about though, what we got out of the practices and stuff like that. Though, Yeah, that's you know, and we've got to show tomorrow and we'll know you've got to go back. You're heading back to Dallas tomorrow. So Dave and I will kind of carry on and maybe some guys we'll talk about tomorrow, but we think it will happen in the game. Maybe

some guys. But is there anybody you know, is there anybody that you're just kind of waiting for? Dane are you waiting for somebody to show up? Are you waiting? Is it? Like man, I came in with expectations. I got through, I got through one practice, I got through a padded practice, and I'm still kind of waiting on a guy. Well, yeah, a couple of guys I think deserve mentioned there. Troy Garcia from or Tony Garcia from Troy right. Uh, he has a lot of hype right now.

Is you know, maybe the top senior tackle. Maybe a guy's gonna push for first round status. But I don't know. I just don't see it. I was, I didn't see it on tape and I haven't seen it here. I think he's a solid guy in that second and fourth round range, trying to you know, figure out where he fits. But I didn't see a first round player. Um, and I think that's that's held true here. But the quarterbacks, Yeah, I was gonna go. I was gonna go with Dame.

I was gonna go with Dave on that because I knew and I want you to get Yeah, I was gonna ask it. There's six guys out there, and you know where you would cover your eyes and as they throw you just go, oh my god, what a difference a year mix. I'll tell you one thing. I'm not saying he's good because he's not. He doesn't appear to be based on two practices. But Davis Webb can chuck the football, though he can sing a prospernative. He like, he's kind of got the JaMarcus Russell thing where he

just goes like and it goes like sixty yards. So you're so you're saying, might not go where it's supposed to go, but it goes. So the six guys, you see, because I was watching Josh Dobbs. Dobbs made a throw going to his left today and Dame was like, and I was like, well, hey, that was a nice throw. What'd you have? And then you were kind of you were saying, hey, maybe don't let me misquote you or

anything like here. But when we get into game situations and stuff like that, things kind of fall apart for him. Decision making, the ability to win from the pocket as a passer. I just don't see it with Dobbs. I don't. We're gonna hear a lot of Dak comparisons with him because the intangible, Yeah, I think he did throw to

his left pretty well. That one That's actually really funny though, because the big thing like how much Dak improved even though he wasn't a Heisman contender, he improved so much as a passer from junior to senior year. And the knock on Dobbs is like he hasn't improved as a

quarterback since his freshman year in college. Highly touted type of guy, and Josh Dobbs is the reason Tennessee was so highly rated and failed to meet up to those expectations because you said every year you go, well, you got a third year or fourth year quarterback coming back, like he's gonna be great and you're gonna be better because of it. And I don't think he ever met

those expectations. There are three quarterbacks here who I gave draftable grades to Peterman from Pitt He's my top senior quarterback. I think a game of five h Davis Webb, who I think he needs a lot of work, but as you know, David was saying the the arm is there. He's tall. He's not thick, but he's tall. He I thought I gave him like a five six. And then CJ. Bethard from Iowa, who you know his grandfather. Yeah, longtime generalman. I know his grandfather, well, um, I gave him a

six seven. Um a guy that maybe take a chance on late, maybe hassle them there. But besides those three guys, there just isn't much in the senior quarterback. The only guy of any of the quarterbacks that has flashed whatsoever for me is Webb, and that's mostly just because you can can sling it. You can see the arms six four, five, two, twenty nine. The measurables for Webb's very lean to twenty nine. Yeah, he's like one of those really tall guys that still

looks really small though. And he looked at the offenses that he's been in Texas Tech and then Cals two air raid offenses where you know, he's just chucking it. His reads are predetermined a lot of throws within seven yards a line of scrimmage. So he just there's so much that's going to be asked with him at the NFL level that he just doesn't know, he hasn't experienced yet. And so with that, there's a lot of question marks with him. Okay, random observation that's not really related to that,

but I meant to bring it up earlier. Evan Ingram. Why are we calling the sky at tight end? He's not, He's a wide receiver. Like that's that's very misleading because I saw I saw him go out and make Well, they're calling a kid at Virginia Tech a tied end. It plays wide received wide receiver too, Hodges. I will pound the table as long as I as long as

it takes both those guys are wide receiver. Ingram abused this UH safety today on a nice ball in the slot, and I was like, WHOA, who's that wide receiver that made that play? It's Evan Ingram. He's a big receiver. He's that Marquis Colston role. You put him in the slot, you let him manipulate the middle of the field against safeties and linebackers. You got yourself in play, much like

Marcus Colston back in two thousand and six. Like, he's gonna go into the league and people are gonna call him a tight end and he's gonna put up receiver numbers, win a bunch of people their fantasy league, and it's gonna piss me. I hope he goes to the right situation. I think he will. Okay, Well, that's all the time we have for tonight. I want to thank everybody out there for listening watching. I want to thank these guys too. I want to thank David Hellman. I want to thank

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