Draft Show: LIVE From Senior Bowl - Day 3

here and cover for Dallas Cowboys dot Com. And uh, those people that will covered is David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com and KK Garrison, who's the executive producer of this show, and myself will cover the game. But tonight we have a special guest. Two special guests, matter of fact, two gentlemen that have spent a lot of hours with me already working on this NFL draft studying tape. Every night we can sharing ideas, blaming each other, a

lot of arguments and a lot of agreements. But tonight they're going to join us and talk a little bit about this NFL Draft and what they've seen from the Senior Bowl. Been here all week and the gentleman I'm talking about is Jeff Kavanaugh from one oh five three The Fan and Kevin Turner from one oh five three The Fan, my two scouting buddies. Gentlemen, Welcome to the Draft Show. Thank you. It's an on earned privilege. Enjoy watching and listening to the Draft Show and it'll be

fun to be a part of it now. You were a part of the some of the draft shows we did from the Combine last year, so your Draft show veteran kat, new experience for you here today. Yeah, first time to come to the Senior Bowl and looking forward to getting out to the Combine and and filling in for Dane for this next hour. Yea, that's a tall task. Yeah, the Dane Bugler headed on home to hang out with his family and get back into all that. So h again,

for the next hour, we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about really, I'm gonna get We've had our opinions about how we've seen this Senior Bowl unfold, and I'm interested to see some of the ideas that you guys had it and like I like I alluded to earlier, though you guys watched the tape with me. We're about one hundred and fifteen players in goals to get to about three hundred. We got our way to go, but we

got a little time. But I want to I just wanna ask you first, Jeff, your impressions though, of what you saw from the players. You know what what you're you're going into your expectations, where they met or there's something anything different about the Senior Bowl, And as far as with the players you've seen this week, I think it's really interesting. And I think that by the third

day of practice. The best part about it is I feel like a lot of the guys you see the same sort of things from over and over, and so you feel like, Okay, I've sort of got a handle on that player. You watch a guy for one day, and you know, you write down your notes for that first day, and then the second day you start to write the same thing, and it's like, wait a minute, Okay, I kind of know who he is, you know, and

there's a lot of those guys. There's some guys that pop up that I'm not all that familiar with yet, and then it's like, okay, now I know I gotta go watch the tape on that guy, right, But a lot of these guys, like the defensive lineman in this group that we knew coming in, we're really good players. You watch him playing, it's like, yeah, that's the same guy I've always seen and it just sort of concretes

what you thought you knew about guys. So the live view for and Katie, I'll get to you to stay here. The live view for you though, helped you with the size of the player because you were talking about when you first got here and standing next to Austin Johnson. Oh yeah, and you're Oakman like Oakman. You look at Oakman on tape and there's things about him that you're like, man, could you please just I want to see some sort

of fire. You're playing next to Andrew Billings, a defensive tackle at Baylor who was going one hundred and ten miles an hour at all times. And with Sean Oakman, it's like, stands straight up, do nothing. Stands straight up, do nothing, and then he flashes for and you're like, Okay,

well where is that guy? And you stand next to him and it almost makes you want to give him more opportunities just because you look at the guy and you're like, holy cow, compare him, Compare to Sean Oakman physically just standing there with him, to the other guys that are out here, and it's like, I want to give you every chance in the world to be good

on tape just by standing there. I think I think there's a lot to seeing guys live Carson Wentz, watching him move just you know, standing thirty feet away instead of watching him on tape, you get a real appreciation

for the sort of athlete you're looking at. So, yeah, I think there's a I think there's a lot of advantages to being physically there with them, Yeah, Katie, Yeah, And I thought on Tuesday, for both practices, on both squads, we were down on the field on the sideline, and that was where you'd see the coaches interact with the players, and which is good to see Derek Dooley stopping down

a drill to coach up, Braxton Miller singing. Lenahan just talked to Wentz, seeing Marinelli get after the defensive lineman. And then on Wednesday and Thursday, the last two days, uh, you you know, taught us the trick to get into the press box right, really just act like you know where you're supposed to be. Yeah, for the press box, it was nice and warm, and then you see the whole field and then you see a lot of things that you missed live in person on the field on Tuesday.

So I got both experiences. I felt like it's a pretty good week to evaluate. Again, I think Jeff was right. By today, I'd kind of not worried about Kenneth Dixon so much. I'd not really worried about Braxton Miller so much. Kind of got to see those guys, they started going kind of looking at some names down the line, some maybe Day three type of guys. Yeah, that's why I think that we're all like brought us right there. See

that the Daine Bruger Special. But that's but that's where I think that to me is where the draft show. And we always our motto here is we like to investigate and then uh uca educated. So that's what our what's what we like to do. And and you know, and it might not be the most popular thing because everybody out there and twit the twitter verse likes to talk about Braxton Miller, talk about all the but it really been scouting. It's about looking at those lower level.

It's about looking at Day three guys. So you don't want to do an hour of Carson Wentz right now. Well, you know there's shows that we've had here where we've gone a good We've gone to good forty minutes and never talked about Carson Wentz. This is the draft show for hipsters, like we'd hipster draft here. Well we're not here. Well that's and I think, Yeah, I think that's I

think that's where. I think that's where this And that's why I wanted to ask you the question about the expectations, you know, because the fact that you have seen one hundred and fifteen players already and you've you've you've got an idea of how these guys play on tape. So I just wanted to know if you know, if your expectations were met on what you thought the Senior Bowl was all about. Yeah, more than met. I wish I could stay for the game on Saturday, because I think

that would be a lot of fun. Dice go to the super Bowl for the super Bowl. But I got a lot. I got a lot out of this, and I think it's something I want to do every year. Now you know, it's the same thing with the combine, where I'll go do that right. It was just good to be around the players and to be around the coaches and all the NFL people around it. And you know, there's times at training camp when you'll see a practice going on you'll go, it's not a whole lot going

on here. There are times in these practices, especially the ones coached by the Cowboys staff, where it's competitive and there's a lot going on on both sides of the field and you can't blink because you're gonna miss something. So you're watching. All of a sudden, you're watching a running back, for example, our little tech running back today break some people down in the open Yeah, breaking breaking some guys down in the open field today, And you're like, oh, hey, hey,

look at that right there, right, you see that? And then you're like yeah, and then you're firing over on the other side and watching a one on one pass rush drill. So yeah, that's the great thing about the practices. This will, like Dane said last night, though, this is the last time that you will see these guys in pats. I mean, this is it. I mean, once they played

this game. Now it's about you know, the combines and the workouts, and it's gonna talk about measurables and all that stuff, but we'll focus on how the guys played, uh this week. And and I want to I want to get into a little bit of some and David as well. I want to get into some guys that you thought helped themselves or hurt themselves. And again the fact that they were able to practice. You know, we you you like to go after Connor Cook. I mean,

he's he's a he didn't try up to compete this week. Yeah, and that and that that Carson Wentz after after practice, Carson Wentz is talking to a group of guys and he's like, oh, there was no way I was going to miss this if my wrist was healed, I was coming here like I want to compete, right, And the first thing that went off in my head as well, I know a guy who didn't want to Yeah, and that and that's where I think we've been so mean to Connor Cook. Well, but compete, but it's compe but

it's fair. It's fair to talk about Connor Cook when you when you're trying to evaluate and and you know, when we told he was healthy, we told he was selfish. I mean, I admitted I'm selfish. I want to see everybody out there. Heck, i'd like to see him. I'd like to see the combine be just nothing but one on one drills. God, how awesome that that would be great? But it's not. It's not reality. So you know, I

want to get in. I just I'm gonna name off a couple of guys, and I want you to tell me just your quick impression, just a quick impression of what you thought about this player, and you could say, help hurt, don't know, need to learn more, just a little bit of an idea. I'm just gonna name a few guys. Can you tell me what you think. Brandon Allen, quarterback Arkansas. I feel like he and this is a guy who haven't studied his college tape on so I

gotta be fair to him. But when you're doing some drills seven on seven and eleven on eleven drills, and he tucked the ball, and don't throw it multiple time after time. There was three or four times yesterday, he tucked it today, same thing. Just come on, throw the ball, cut it loose a little bit right. It was really disappointing to see now. To be fair again, I'm gonna go back once we get to Dallas's gonna watch his film and get a real type of evaluation on him.

But I was not happy with what I saw because you have to make a decision and get rid of the ball, especially when you know that everyone's watching you

to throw the ball. Make those decisions down the field. Yeah, Jeff, for me, I think, having not seen his tape yet either, I actually thought he helped himself, okay, because I looked at I looked at the four quarterbacks on that team, and that's Dak Prescott, Jake Coker, Jacoby Brissette, and Brandon Allen, and he looked small compared to Yeah, he's under six two. The other guys all look like they're six four or

so giants out. But as far as locating the ball, I was surprised with his arm, like he probably has to do more to get it there because he's a smaller guy. But I saw inconsistencies from all of them, and I didn't anticipate that Brandon Allen would be a guy that when compared to the whole group there, I would think, man, he might be the best thrower there.

Y'all correct me if I'm wrong. I spent a lot of time watching the South quarterbacks today, like I said I would, and Wins I think is the best quarterback here. But I think all the South quarterbacks might be better than the other three North quarterbacks. But I am away thinking that Dak. I think Driscoll has a chance. But I came away thinking that Alan Dak Brissette and who am I and even Coker had a couple of moments not not so much so not impressed with Kessler and

with Hogan, I'm definitely not I see. And I got a little bit of Twitter discussion last night with some fans, some Pack twelve fans. Hey, Hogan's a gamer. He's gonna be fine, you know, and and and they're right. He's won a couple of Pac twelve titles. You know that if you watch him on you watch him on the tape, there's some things he does. And I just I just hope for him. I hope that everything that always Packed twelve people were talking about. And we've seen him on tape.

We kind of have an idea what he is on tape, But I hope he does come. I don't want to see an these kids fail. But I you know, you kind of have an idea. You're not gonna you're not gonna get on here and talk about something you didn't see from him. Oh, No, One, Hogan is a little guy with a limited and he's got a wind it up to throw that. That's that's fair, That's absolutely fair. Reggie Raglan. I don't think that he helped himself, although

I get what he was trying to do. Like I think that his agent or somebody pushed to have him play outside linebacker and rushed the passer because you know what he is as a mental linebacker. He's a monster. He's a monster. He's a guy that's worthy of a top ten, fifteen pick whatever. If you need a mental linebacker, Reggie Ragland's your guy. But in watching him rush off of the edge, I don't think that he accomplished it much.

Watching him do it at Bama with his hand in the dirt, yeah he did it, okay, But watching him do that as opposed to just letting him shine and line up at mental linebacker, I think he would have looked phenomenal doing this. I didn't think he looked great as an edge rusher. Yeah, do you think it was kind of a what do you have to lose type of thing? Though? Yeah, because we know what he is. You've here some guys who don't come to the Senior Bowl because they don't need to, Right, we've got it

locked up, we know we're getting picked high. Maybe he's a guy who said the only thing that you really had to risk his injury. Well, because the only question we have about him is what am I doing with him on third down? Because in the NFL? Is he gonna cover? Is he gonna put his hand in the dirt? What's he gonna do? And I think it was. I think it was a calculated decision by him and his people to be like, hey, let's go rush the passer, let's try and showcase that. And I don't think that

it's his best thing that he does. And so when you watch him one on one, you see some guys on the edge, you watch Noah Spence, you watched some of these guys who put their hand in the dirt and win, And I thought he struggled to do that. Does it matter in the grand scheme of things for him? No, He's still the premier mental linebacker of this class. He tried to show off pass rushing skills, and I don't

think he did. Don't you know how the coaches feel about that, like whether I mean like, yeah, sure, let's give it a try, or I really like to see you play the position. But you know what I saw him do that I hadn't seen it Alabama cover. Saw him do that today. That's something that I was, you know, and and what did you think about it? Because I saw him trying to cover Kenyan Drake, which is really tough.

He couldn't really, yeah, exactly, very patient, patient and them gonna grab you and then you know, yeah, and I think that that to me, though, is you know, I wanted to at least see him try because at Alabama you don't see him playing a lot of coverage. And when he does play inside, when he does plays at mic linebacker, you can see him. You know, he's a guy. To me, he doesn't come off the field. I mean

that's the kind of impression that got. Whether he's gonna rush in the NFL, you think he can do one of those things? You think, yeah, I think which one would you have him do? I would to me, because you're right about the rush, You're you're right about it. Now, when he was running over backs, I was writing about that the one on one against the running backs was a mismatch. So if you want to put him inside and blitz him, yeah, much better than put him on

the edge, you know, with the hand down. I mean, he's he's okay, but when he's I think he's better as a blitzer. So but I saw some coverage though, quick plug your final recap of the week for practices up right now. Okay, So anybody that is curious to read more about check that out on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Go find it, Go find it. Okay, how about this one for you guys. We go with Jaren Reid, defensive tackle from Alabama. Dude's a beast. He's a beast, and

he was a beast on tape. Like I don't I don't think that there's room for him to really go down because I think you're gonna turn on the tape and you're gonna see this guy is a one technique

that's really hard to move. From what I saw of him, I don't know that I was impressed with him as a pass rusher or anything like that, right, I think that my impression of him is going to be based almost solely on game tape as opposed to what I saw it here, because to line him up one on one with an offensive lineman and say go get the quarterback,

I don't think that's him. So the fact that he's not going to win with quickness or immediately get to the quarterback, I don't worry about it, but I didn't see it. Yeah, you know there were times where he would go right after Noah Spense on those Dang it. That's a tough fact of Fallow. We saw that a lot with a lot of guys, though. I remember what stood out was a Burbridge trying to run a cone drill right after Braxton Miller, and it's like, oh no,

this is not gonna end up well for you. Every single receiver on the North team daring to do anything as well as Braxton. All right, let me ask you a comparison then from what you go ahead, No, Well, before we get too far away from that, I think Jeff Rays is an interesting point here, which is, let's say I'm really good. I mean, I know you've been kind of down on Austin Johnson. This is where I was gonna go So if a guy's great on tape and lousy here, or not even lousy but disappointing, or

if a guy is just kind of a guy. Carl Masson probably fits in this category too. Massid was infinitely better out here than we did not love him on tape, really liked him out here. So what matters more to you? As you go? I think I think that you gotta now the investigation part comes into play. Yeah, okay, did you gotta watch three more? Now? You got you gotta find, you gotta you know, you got twelve games of Penn

State in that box. And you know what if it takes you all twelve games to figure him out, go figure him out. We had to do it with Jalen Ramsey. We had to go watch three different years of tape to get a handle on that. Absolutely, And to me, this is where this is where I want to I want to ask a comparison because we talked about Austin Johnson and I wrote about this tonight. If you said the two at thirty four, who could you have? There's this side of me that all of a sudden, I'm thinking,

now I have more questions about Austin Johnson. Compared him to who well, Jar and Jared Reid. Okay, you know, okay, who have the one technique type of guys? You know, because I would now I would now I didn't see Austin Johnson. See, I didn't see Austin Johnson do Austin Johnson things this week because we thought we thought he was a one technique that would also give you pass rush and he did and we watched the Ohio State

games and stuff like that. He did that, and then we watched him out here and he wasn't able to win in the pass rush drill. See this is this is where I think you have to be careful. But but now all of a sudden, guys are going back and they're saying, where was that guy? Where was the guy that was playing against Michigan State in Ohio State and those games, those big ten games he was getting pushed and working down the line and getting in the

battfield and get what you're saying. But I just feel like this is, oh, I'm not I'm not throwing him to the three three practices two weeks after his season's over, but a bunch of guys he doesn't know. But we didn't see that we didn't see the pass rushing that we had on tape. That's the only that's that's what it exists on tape. It exists on tape. It it does, And you're right, and that's more important. It is more important.

But I'm just saying, though, if you start talking about there were times where Reid looked like a better pass rusher and on tape he didn't rush the passer, and Reid's definitely a better anchor. Sure, yeah, right, So if you're if you look at Austin Johnson and you start to rethink if he's going to be a one technique plus, like is he going to be a one tech who

gets pressure? And if he's not, then I think you clearly lean to Jaren Reid where you say, okay, if I'm not going to get pass rushed from the guy who's the better anchor, and that's Jaron Reid. Yeah. I didn't think Austin Johnson had a terrible week though, I mean, he was better than than Vernon Butler from from it was a different who will play three likely and they

tried him at some one a little bit. Yeah, going to the inside guys on the offensive line a lot of this to me is who are you going up

against as well? Right, And the inside guys on the offensive line were a lot better than the outside guys in my opinion, Jack Allen and yeah, and Nick Martin even has a as a knack for not getting I think my negativity towards Austin Johnson is based a lot of it on today, because I do remember in the first two days there were different times while we're watching from the press box and I would tweet out the guy in eleven on eleven who was in the backfield

that it would have been a tackle for loss right, and it was multiple times, or the guy working down the line of scrimmage right, and multiple multiple times it was Austin Johnson. Right. So I think there's a little bit of a recency bias, at least for me from today where I didn't see what I hope to see from him. Yeah, I was just a little bit. I was thinking, this guy's gonna come and light them up.

I think he's gonna get put violent. You're killing You're killing this guy for like no, no, no, no, he'll do you know what? All right? Then I will I thought it wasn't I agree that it wasn't consistent, but he flashed quite at Okay, how many times? And let's put the Dallas Cowboy hats on here. We all come to the Dallas carrying one. Yeah, we all cover to the Dallas Cowboys. Okay with him or you? Okay with

with Nick Hayden. I'll take Johnson, I'll take Johnson. I'll take Johnson, Okay, and then okay, you're gonna be okay, he didn't rush the passer real well, I mean, and you're gonna go, oh well, damn broad us. I'll tell you what he knew, what he was talking about. If you're getting any pass rush from Austin Johnson, it's more than a case. But see, that's what I'm saying. We saw it on the tape, and we keep going back to these one techniques. It's funny, but it seems like

to me, it seems like much of them. It seems like to me every I guess we got to figure out who the fourth overall pick is gonna be. But everybody's trying to figure out what that thirty four is gonna be. Yeah, that's gonna be. That's gonna be an interesting pick. Yeah, Can I name a one technique that and I don't want to talk about thirty four or what round or anything. It's just a guy I didn't know yet. And then I watched him out here and I was like, oh, it's time to watch tape DJ Reader,

the guy from Clemson. That is a guy that you know. Even in watching the agility drills, you're talking about a guy who I don't have what he weighed in at, but he's a he's a three twenty five thirty pound guy. And you watched him go through those drills and you watched him guy stuff, and that guy, that guy moved around really well. So I don't I don't know round or anything yet, but just in terms of a guy that I didn't know yet, that fly for me, that's one of us six three three forty and did not

move like he was three fourty. That's bigger than Johnson. Yeah's what yeah? Yeah? And and and and a very good athlete. Geez Okay. It would be really easy for me to talk about Noah Spence and I want to talk about like no, no, and okay, let me let me And this is this is really funny because I'm glad we have Jeff on tonight for this, for this reason, because nobody locks in on on the four more than you. Nobody locks in on the fourth pick more than you.

Four the Cowboys, and you you now seemed to you're you're kind of beating the drum that if everything were to check out with Noah Spence, that you would consider him at four. I would. I don't know why everybody's looking at me crazy. I mean, we're talking about the best. We're talking about the base pass rusher in chocolate chip, chocolate chip, what do you got? I like, Uh, Rocky Road, Rocky Road, I got it. It's late January. Give me

some time to figure this out. As I'm well, we're gonna talk about the pick for all the might as well throw all the names. He's throwing it out there is spitched, and I think he is the best pass rushing. If people are asking me about Bosa, don't compare them as pass rushing. I'm not look at the camera. Don't do that. Don't compare them like Joey Bosa is a two hundred and seventy some odd pound guy that wins with technique and power. Yeah he's a good athlete. Yeah

he's gonna move guys around. And he can get into the backfield. Nobody turns the corner like this guy. Yeah, Noah, Spence turns the corner like we watched von Miller do for the Broncos. Now, if that means because he came in here at two fifty something, if that's gonna be his weight, then it may mean that you would take it more seriously if you're a three four team that

wants him to come off the edge. But to dismiss the guy who's clearly the best pass rusher in this draft in a league where pass rushing is the most important thing your defense, does I think that would be crazy case dismiss Here's the problem. No one is dismissing that idea. Okay, so don't start that, Okay, don't twist words. No one's everybody would say, let Jeff talk about Spence because he's got one that's crazy idea. You're the one

that's You're you're driving the train now on this. Can you tell this as a conversation that has happened off the air, you know, like this is not six two five, two fifty four your numbers. Here's the thing I want to say this require this is about what to me it's about and Jeff had the best idea ever is we need to go back and find tape of him dominating at Ohio State because my problem for three days he was beating le Raven Clark from Texas Tech. You

love that reach. He was beating Spencer Drango from Baylor le Raven Clark from Texas Tech. Okay, those are the primary two guys. He was good schools and the good academic schools outside these borders, of course, but those are two players who he will dominate nine times out of ten every time in college. At Easterday at Eastern Kentucky, he had to go beat Kentucky was the best school they played, and in North Carolina State and North Carolina State, Right,

Jeff had the best idea. We need to go back and watch him play from two years ago when he was an All Big Ten player, and then I think I'll start to then we'll talk about your ex toc issues and all the all the problems we'll have those, we'll have those, and we'll get a chance to talk to him. We'll get a chance to have those interviews. It's gonna be great. Yeah, But like I'm not gonna say right now, he's number four without I think he will back, he would consider, he would consider. I think

he'd do it. I'm just gonna go and who's there, Who's gone? One? Two? Three? Wait a minute, now, well, I take my quarterback. Okay, he's gone, I take my quarterback. Golf is gone. Treadwell or Spence or Tunsil, another guy, Jack or Spen, Ramsey or Jack. Listen, there's five names you gotta I'm gonna have to write him down. I'm gonna think about Okay, I'll tell you what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a break right now. Yeah, fench writer, I thought I could draw him off sides. Okay, we're

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That's true. We do kent. You're not gonna play with this. None of the Twitter on the twenty don't have no from microphone. So oh that's right, that's not what it sounds like that anyway. Anyway, So Dave take it over. I know we just prided ourselves on being hipster Draft show, but real quick, Yeah at the Draft Show. Yes, if you need to ask a question, I forgot the bad

host Brian Brouss. Big name coming home. We got a real big name, got a big name coming There's nothing we can do to avoid it because he's on by the end. By the time it's all said and done, I think he'll be the story of the scene your Bowl, even more so than Carson Wentz. Go ahead. AJ wants a pro player comparison for Braxton Miller, Like, what what exactly kind of skill set are we looking at? Here's

who's this guy reminds where you need game? Well, i'd tell you, like Braxton, I want to say it was after the first or the second day he talked about like who he tries to play like, and I think he used the name Julian Edelman, and I want to say the other one was Antoine randall El. So he was naming guys whose skill set is really small slot, shifty quickness, Yeah, which is interesting because you don't expect that from a guy who measures in it over six

foot one. But Braxton does have that. You watched him when they were on the red zone stuff today and doing one on one right, and one of the best things he has is an ability to break you down

and then when he accelerates, you can't. I was talking to Scott Lenahan after practice and asked him about that, and he says, you know what, you gotta give him credit one and give whoever's coaching him at Ohio State a lot of credit for real, because they we talk about learning curves and you're and he does not look like a quarterback or just an athlete playing wide receiver,

and that's what Lenahan was talking about. Lenahan saying, hey, wherever coached him at Ohio State got him ready to do this, and he goes, who Hey, hats off to that guy or that staff for able to make that happen. Not an expert on the Ohio State coaching staff, but is Verbisky. Does he have a hand in that, which would make sense because Brian Robisky, Yeah, I know, yeah, his dad just got a job at his dad just got a job as the offensive coordinator. I want to say,

I can't remember where he guys. I'm looking up all these things as we speak here, but yeah, you know, to me, that's the he's talking about. He's talking about much smaller players, quicker players. We didn't see a lot of. And I don't want to pretend that the quarterback play out here was outstanding. I don't know how many opportunities we've seen for him to go climb the ladder and

do a does Bryant catch on somebody? But the way that we've seen him create separation is instant, instant explosiveness and quickness. That's theay Randall Cobb used to create separation, used to Pakarna, right, Yeah, well no, no, not at all. But I heard someone It wasn't It wasn't me, So I'm not taking credit for this, but someone throughout the name Percy Harvin. And I guess I think he's a better I think he's a better receiver. It's not as fast, no, but I think he's a better I think he's got

a better skill set. Let's wait till he runs the forty. When Braxton turns a four to three. Yeah, wearing shorts, you really might If he's faster than Percy Harvin, more power to him. Zack Smith is the receiver's coach at at Ohio State. So Zach Smith is the man responsible for getting u forgetting him, getting him ready to play. So give him a hats off to our tip of the cap. Too good for you, coach, Yeah, well done, Bobby.

Bobby wants a prediction for an under the radar player who you think will make an impact in the actual Senior Bowl in the game. Take it to the game, you know, take it to the game. I like that. How about DeAndre Washington, the Texas technical? You would go there, wouldn't you like what we saw from him today? I liked watching him in the past game and in the run game. I think that's a dude that can make an impact on this game. I'll do you one more. We'll go Tyler Irvin on the other squad. Oh there

you go. Nice job, Okay, very nice. You want to go smaller and quicker? Okay, all right, keep an eye on Jordan Hayton, wide receiver from UCLA. They're playing him the Cowboys coaches are playing him on the outside. They're playing him in the slot. I think they've got some ideas. There was something you should have tweeted about today from practice at the North Bunch did Who's that? They ran

a reverse? So, yeah, didn't You didn't want to You didn't want to get into that, Okay, I don't need to get into all that, you know, not trying to give away trained secrets here. Random name Darrell Adams tight ends South Carolina South? Do you know what? You know? What? Hatch a nice catches today And I saw him blocking really well today before. Yeah, I watched he ran some nice routes. Yeah, but he can. He's one of those

guys who go get it. I like. I like that guy, and I remember not loving the tape that much earlier, like maybe two weeks ago, getting away block or a little bit. He looks pretty good out there. Another guy who had a good week two and he's a guy we haven't watched yet or I haven't watched yet. Is the other Baylor guy jay Lee too right, big six three guy hadn't seen anything, but it had knew nothing about him, a lot of winning in one on one he had some big wins and one on ones for sure.

Ard Briles was down there owning on all over it. I'll tell you what we got it covered. Anybody liked to tie it in from Ohio State making some plays. Yeah, I didn't think today was his best day. I know on the goal line Carson Wentz left one a little bit behind him, but he couldn't bring it in again intercepter. But before that, I thought, I thought that for all three days we saw him just as a big body guy that maybe he didn't get really open, but hey,

Jason Witten doesn't get really open. That's on Twitter last night. They asked me, is that a that be a Jason Witten comparison? You know, a big guy that can can get down there, And I'd say, in the early days, we can run. Yeah, Whitten kid. Really, you know, I think Whitten was a four six two the that guy wasn't running away from anybody, but just in traffic and using his body and making contested catches. I thought he

did you know who else did that? Well? That and Katie you mentioned him comparing him to Braxton Miller Burbridge, the kid at Michigan State. Yeah, Like I watch him run routes and it's like, this guy's not gonna get separation. There's not a lot of explosiveness, but when it comes to the contested ball, he goes and gets it. Yeah, he had a couple that. Yeah, but man, it's said body catching stuff. He had the worst drop of this entire week as far as i'm that's slanted, cla and

just and like accidents happened. That's how he has to win, though, is getting inside He's winning on the outside. No, No, And that's what Dane was even talking about when we were doing a Senior Bowl live when the one on one routes and stuff like that. Dane's like that, you know, Murray's gonna feel real comfortable on this one. No speed, but yeah, he's gonna have to win inside is what he's gonna have to do. Okay, anymore, Kalo wants to know,

and we kind of touched on this. We didn't really talk about him in much detail though, but is Dak helping himself, hurting himself or just kind of there. I don't know that I watched him enough to know, Like I tried to watch that group of quarterbacks, and the only note that I made is I thought that all of them were inconsistent in terms of delivering the ball in accuracy. Like Dak is probably a better thrower than I thought. He was coming into some sec SEC records

for passing and something you need to go back. Yeah, I had a different, a little bit different impression of him because I've seen him light our alma mater up not this passing, but a year before. And yeah, and so I was thinking, all right, and you know, let's let's see we got here. And he didn't throw the ball in these practices as well as I thought, or that I had seen him throw. We need to sit down and study him, because I'm sure they've at the

Valley Ranch. It's one throw after another after another after another. You get an idea about that type of a player. But you know, they're gonna run some things in this game. They're gonna run some breed option stuff, and he's gonna probably look great throwing it on the move and stuff like that. We killed Brandon Allen, and rightfully so for running and tucking the ball. Dak did it today and like blew through the secondary so fast. I was like

that touchdown running. He had a good stellar shoes and I was like, Okay, sign me up for that. Briskt did that today too. He played better today. I minded a lot less when it's an athletic guy who can actually get yards, who's doing it? Um, we have to answer this one because it's it's it's a special question from Dane Brugler. All Right, Dane. He says he thought the North offensive line played a lot better today and he wants to know if Jack Allen can start in

the NFL. He'll hang up and listen. I thought Jack Allen was really good. I thought Jack Allen was really good all week. And I think Jack Allen if Nick Martin's gonna play center, Um, that the kid from Michigan. I think all those guys Glasgow have something. I think Jack Allen though, to me, was the best center this week. I thought he was really good. He also played a little bit of guard. Nick Martin did the same thing. I show that they have some versatility. But I thought

Jack Allen was the best center this week. Yeah, it's funny because Jack Allen to me and I and Dane knows this, this is my old this is my Perry Mason reference where Dane knows the answers to the question. You know, Perry Mason shortly, Dane is going to tweet in and well, yeah, exactly, that's what Dane does what we love him for it. But yeah, I think when you watched watched Allen on film, there's that the one technique or the three technique, and he's and he's snatching

that guy. I mean he's reaching front side and in positioned himself in turn and then the balls going to the outside and he's in position. So I agree with you because I did see that a couple of times when they were doing some run scheme stuff where he was getting he was stepping hard front side and getting up on his guy and all that. And then those times when you see him second level. I know went back and watched the Baylor game last year that they played,

and he he had some second level blocks it. But I thought, overall, the offensive lines we're better now. Again, we still have a couple of weak spots and that's where they were better than they were on day one. Exact day one, every defensive lineman was a Hall of Famer and past. To be fair, these drills aren't real easy for offensive Lineman and you've got Noah Spense lined up wide and he's just you know, screaming, and poor Murphy from Stanford is like there's another Oh, here we go.

You know, he just opens up and tries to cut him off. So yeah, Dan's right though, I thought overall, and and I do. I do like Alan the Center, and I do like Martin. I think just a couple of good combos. And the guy we didn't see here today was or this week was Kelly the Center Alabama, Alabama that we didn't see. And he's another good center. So just because no one said a nice word about him. Yet there's a guy named Austin Blythe that I thought had an okay day the last Iowa. Yeah, yeah, not bad,

not bad at all. Okay, you want another one, Yeah, I'm good this one. This one's not. It's not so much prospect related. I think it's interesting given the conversation we were having, Rob wants to know, how do you how does it affect your search for a one technique that David Irving is there with what seems to be some upside and does that affect you're thinking at all? Well, it is worth throwing in the very Terrell mcclean's back, and we still and we all want to love Terrell McClean.

But Terrell McClean plays three games and all something something bad happened has not worked out for him two years, two times in the I R. You know, okay, so you have two, but David Freeging one text that you can't count on. No, no, no, I play I play David Irvan. Either play him at end or I playim at three. Okay, I don't play him inside there? I mean, is he want you know, you want to feel like though he can be a point of attack, plaim at the three, let him play on that shoulder, let him

go up the field. That's what he can do. That's kind of amazing that you think somebody should play three because you think everyone should play one. So well, it's great if you okay, I'll give you three. Well children. Rankings Sheldon Rankings was awesome this week. Another one too, Dolphins Washington Dolphins. One yeah, inside outside spin move, yeah, all right, just to you assess the situation, all right, Sheldon. Sheldon Rankin's is gonna go in the first round. Yeah,

it's realistic. It's realistic to think that between his cost and the coach's affinity for him, that Nick Hayden could wind up here again. Sure so, but we're trying to get better. We're gonna trying to run him out of town, aren't we. I know, I am all right, well, really he could be on the team. I'm just looking for a starter. But I'm saying, okay, so Tyrone Crawford's a starter. Three, you have Irving in the mix, McLean in the mix, and you have an ir maybe nice maybe Hayden in

the mix. All of these things back up at the one. All of these things don't deter you from wanting a defensive tackle as high as thirty four. See that's why I think thirty if that's why I think thirty four is gonna be an interesting pick. See if they were. If we're killing off a twelve and four year and the Cowboys are picking twenty five and we're talking about having the twenty fifth pick in the second round, then

I think a lot of people are gonna be more okay. Well, like I feel like a lot of people might not be okay with that. At thirty four, it's almost the first round pick. But let's let's thot some other names. Then, right. Let's guys who weren't here this week, like Kenny Clark from UCLA. Here you go. Is there a guy that you hope falls to you in the third round? That might be that type of guy. See, that's where I think that two me defensive tackles are gonna be hot though.

They're gonna, they're gonna and you're gonna sta. We got them all stacked up in there like ourselves to say, the club sandwich. Somebody made a really good point on Twitter. I'm sorry, I don't remember Billing even talk about Bill. With the amount of dudes here like where I mean, there's a realistic shot you could get some pretty good

value at this position in the third round. This well, this may be just like running back last year, where if you don't take the guy a defensive tackle with thirty four, you're not gonna get your chance to get a guy that you like in the third round. See, Okay, let me ask you this. That's a good point. Let

me ask you this question, though. If we have eighteen names on our board in the first round, eighteen names, and we get the thirty four one of them is gonna be there, what position do you think the last player is gonna be you know that last guy left, the last guy left, because we took Jason Witton in two thousand and three. He was our last player. His grad was a one to one nine, which made him at the bottom of the first round, and we took him a third. He was the last player that we

had on the board in the first round. What position, because that could tell you what direction you're gonna go, and could it be one of these one of these one technique? I think it is that because of just how many of them that there are. I mean, there's just there's gonna be a bunch of them. I've I've got get at my board right now, I've got four and then I mean i've got I'm lay them as DT's not one in three. I haven't separated him, but

I've got four right there off the top. And then you know, who knows who you'll bump up into that as we keep going. What position do you think could it be? You know what position? I don't think anybody that I have in here as a one will be in the second round. Um well, just you know, just just love you guys. What position though? What position do you think could be a could be a Could it be a quarterback? Could one of those quarterbacks slide? Sure could be. It could be my guy. It could be

my guy from Lynch. It could be my guy Lynch. I don't I don't. I don't think he I don't think he is. But you know, I'll be honest, I think there's a snowballs chance in hell that one of the three, the Big three is there at thirty four. Honestly, I don't see Carson Wentz as a top ten pick, but I don't see him lasting that long. I don't know. I'm just see That's what I'm saying. I'm trying to figure out what the what's the best position going to

be at thirty four. It may be defensive tackle. I mean, I know there's that's there's up the corners we like,

but I think we like him. Morris sort of third round guys, the Howard Kidd from Baylor, Jackson from Houston, A couple of guys that we're out here, uh, second round because I'm looking at defensive tackles and we're talking Billings, We're talking drawn, Jaren Reid, Yeah, Buckner, if mel Austin Johnson, Austin Johnson, a Shawn Robinson, Kenny Clark, like that's that's five or it sounds like that that that might be

the direction that their board gets pointed to. It's like, okay, as it starts to as all those names start coming off, and now you've you've wiped out thirty one names. You've taken thirty one names off that board now or actually thirty well you're gonna pick it thirty four, so you take it thirty three names off that board. It might that defensive tackle group might be the one that's lined up said, okay, let's go grab one of those guys.

You know, I'm not being narrow minded at all here, but at thirty four, I am thinking about I've kind of looked at three positions that I think you're gonna get the best value, best type of player in that area, and defensive tackles one of them, and I think wide receiver and running back. Okay, there you go the running back because we haven't figured out a second round running back yet. Yeah. Well, depending on what you like with the alb and i'd ask you that I'm not on

the Alabama train. For I'm not on the Alabama train. I got the wrong group of people sitting here, if you want to like the Alabama ram, I'm meant to ask you because know and we've talked about it, but I mean, Elliot's here and then you just kind of have this cluster you do. And that's what we got to figure it out. Did our boy did our boy from Tech maybe play his way? I've got a two on Dixon. There you go. That's what I'm asking. See, I don't like Booker more than him from you talk.

That's I'm saying. Booker's another guy too. We got to find out about his medicals and if his knee's okay, I'm not running back. Group is going to be really deep again because you're still talking about Dixon too. You gotta watch that well. And I don't like him at thirty four though I don't know. That's part of the problem though, is that like I put him in the second round and then you talk about thirty four and you're like, I don't know thirty four and if well, hey,

you put him in the second round, that's board. Now he ain't gonna be there at sixty nine. It's no, you're right about that. That's see. It's not window dressing though. I don't think it's window dressing. It wouldn't take him at thirty four. You talked about him as a second round guy. Sixty was a second round pick last year. I feel a hell of a lot better about it there than I do it. I know what he's saying because I do the same thing, Like I put a

bunch of guys in the second round. Then it's like, would you take him at thirty four? And I'm like, man, thirty four is kind of high thirty round. I'm like, yeah, it doesn't feel like it really. Second quick quick question for everybody here in the panel. Dave Hellman, Okay, Braxton Miller or Jaren Reid thirty four? Oh Man, thirty four? Uh?

Thirty four? Thirty four read? I mean you're talking about probably a starter, Yeah, Katie, Jaron Reid, I'm gonna acknowledge the possibility that we all look really, really foolish by doing it. Jaron Reid, I think you can. I think I think Jaron Reid. I think the board is going to point to Jaron Reid or one of those defensive tackles. But letting Andrew Billings make it to thirty four, that would be fun. Let's do that that'd be great. Come on,

let's do that? Would it just positive? Come on? NFL Andrew Billings look at the games when he had the high struggling in those games. Well, you know, like you didn't think that Randy Gregory would be there at sixty, and you didn't think that Lyle Collins wouldn't get drafted its fair Shack Lawson at thirty four. I am intrigued. I am intrigued by that though, And I'm I think it's fascinating the way that people can And I'm not accusing you of this, but like tunnel vision, you know, like,

is Braxton Miller really thirty four caliber? Well, that's what I'm saying. He play his way into that Kent pick. He's a potential pick, all right, He's not. He hasn't been out here being a polished, awesome wide receiver. He's been glimpses of fantastic athleticism. I kind of think. I kind of think like people came into this week like, well, who's who is this guy? And now it's he's like, Okay,

he's pretty impressive. But I worry that you're like overreacting like this guy's a first round Some people will take him around thirty four, whether it's before round. See, I don't want to be the guy that's what's gonna happen. Because if you turn around and say, Okay, he's gonna wait till the middle of the second round, wait till he's not gonna be there. See, you're gonna have to to me that one's gonna have to be maybe, and I'm not gonna call to reach, but you're gonna have

to hit that one early. That's not one of me. One of those who get that gets back around too, same thing I just said. And maybe it doesn't, but I feel better about it at sixty than thirty four. Such a high. How would you stack him up, Brian, with guys like Boyd and Richard Higgins and Duckson and Coleman and those guys. And Will Filler's a guy you like? Right? Yeah? Like, how does he stack up with those guys? See, I would to me, I think that when you talk, Boyd

is a guy. I mean, that's all those are all like second round names to me, right, So I mean, and and you know I don't. I was proud of you guys for taking read because I had him down in the bottom of those I'm scout, scout dad, I'm I'm like the I had him down in the bottom of the second round there, Braxton, Yeah, I got him right there in the middle of that big girl. See. That's what I'm saying though to me. And if one of you would have went, you know, I can understand

it though, because you're you're you're looking at that. You're looking at the potential of the player, right, And I don't want scouts look at the player and they go, I want to speed athletic. Kavana just said something I really liked, And honest, if it's sixty, I like drafting a guy at sixty because of potential. If I'm trafting him thirty fourth or for that matter, fourth, I want him. I want it now. But aren't you pretty convinced now that he can win some Yes, exactly, yes he can't.

This is why you try to put him look really dumb to him over Tyler Boyd now because I am convinced that he can win all the time I think he can. Well, here's another thing, Braxton Miller had doesn't have a history of being durable. That that's very real thing. That's fair real thing to roll mcclean's on Ir Brexton. Miller wasn't wasn't dable practice today. He wasn't durable today. Point I saw Jim Mauer walking with him. I don't want to see that very much. You don't. I don't

want to see Jim Marrow his arm around him. That's wrong with you, little number one. Jim Ouer being in the SHOT's just not good for anymore. Take tread Will at four. You don't have to worry about slash second round. Let's do it. You were all over that and all of a sudden you just dumped him. I got no problem with you, said, tread Will, you opened the door. Just who did that? Treadmiller spens just to night treadble Er Spence was an unfair question. It's harder going, Hey,

that's sad, and we'll let you know a little bit. Yeah, okay, we're gonna take a little break and then we're gonna finish up there. That great discussion, guys, I appreciate that. Coming back, we'll try and get to I just want to get a couple more of these players. We've talked about a bunch of guys, but I just want to make sure we get a couple more before we wind up our time here in Mobile Alabama State Mobile Alabama

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or go digital. We're just fourteen ninety nine a year through our free star magazine app called twenty seven seven NFC Boys Today. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Showboys. We are back here the Draft Show from Mobile, Alabama. It's our final night here in Mobile for our show. Yeah, don't tease me, like, yeah we're here, Dave Hellman, Oh you mean you're happy to be here? Yes, I'm happy

that I get to watch the game. I'm not happy about like the drive back with Modest and Dad grind and yeah, yeah, yeah, we've got to we're gonna we're gonna cover this Senior, but we're gonna. We're gonna stick it out though, Dave Hellman and Kik Garrison and for anybody that I are going to be here, I think I decided I'm gonna live tweet the drive back with Maybe I'll even periscope. Yeah, oh that'd be fun. It'll stay. I'm gonna try to document what it's like just riding

with me with a pain in the rear. I am yeah, okay, but yeah, this will be our last night of doing the shows. We will not have a show on Friday. We'll be back next Friday at our normal time from Valley Ranch at eleven am. I want to thank Katie and Jeff are showing up today and helping us out. But before we close this thing out, I want to continue my little game. And I was playing with you guys about guys that might have helped, might have hurt.

Give me just an opinion on them, about what you think you saw or what you might might have some ideas about. And a guy I want to get into is Sheldon Day, defensive tackle from Notre Dane plays defensive end some too. Yeah, I know what the old I know what the old ball coach down there thinks. I watched him Marinelli. Yeah it was all over that guy in a good way, not in like a mean way. Him playing defensive end. Yeah, he's got him playing in some defensive tackle. You know. My issue is that I

was thinking, Okay, maybe he's a little too light. Now we know he's he's not even six one. So there's one thing. We had him at like two eighty five, wait him at two eighty five before we did need to find the way in. But so my problem is is he too liked to play the one tech. Sure enough, he goes out there, lines up at the one tech and did something that we saw a little bit on his college tape. But it was very prevalent this week in practice, especially in yesterday's practice, timing the snap and

bursting to the inside and winning. Yeah, and that's and I know a lot of people are kind of like, well, he's gonna get killed, And he might be when he get when some when they get their hands on him and they're able to push him a little bit. Yes, he doesn't hold up very well, but he gets lower than everyone, and he's quicker than he's telling him after watching after watching tape, and I'm nicer to people on giving grades. Oh yeah, after watching tape, I no doubt

I had a fourth round grade on him. Okay, here, I want to hear what having you guys fight five? I bumped him up to day two. Well six, Okay, he's six zero zero six, which makes him six one basically. Okay, Yeah, he's he's he's at least he's over six foot tall. He's two hundred and eighty six pound. There, Jeff Capitall.

I thought he had a good week out here. I thought today was his best day because watching him play at the defensive end spot, I saw him with that initial quickness and with his ability to use his hands to keep people off of him and get back into the pocket. So I saw that from Sheldon day today.

Still my problem is comparing it to the tape because on the tape, like what I what I wrote mostly is that he's not going to win at the point of attack, and he's too easy to move, and he doesn't get enough of a pass rush to make up for that. In my estimation when we finished watching him.

You don't want to know the number the round I put on him, but yeah, I moved him up one based on watching him, and I think if you picked him in the fifth round, I can get with you, okay, But in terms of just a guy that do you think this guy is going to go out there at one of your defensive tackle spots and hold up over the course of an NFL game. I don't think he will the end. The stuff at end intrigues me. This is not a poor man j Aaron Donald. No no, no, no, no, no,

you just talked about. But that's what's that's what the comparison will be. Yeah, Aaron Donald lived in the backfield when we went into last year's draft, and you even looked at that he lives in the lives and his numbers and his tape told you that that's where Aaron Donald resides. When the ball is snapped, he lives back there. It's where he gets all the time. Sheldon Day is just washed out of the play way too much for me.

I'm imagining this and we talk about this all the time from your days as a scout, like Will and the scouts are in there, You're at thirty four, You got these one texts you can and Rod Marinelli's like, we don't need that, Like we can get Sheldon Day in the fourth round. I worked with him and mobile a good solid, strong pass, Russian, relentless, violent, And the scouts are just like, what are you doing now? What's wrong with Sheldon Day in the fourth round? See, I

think everybody's right. I think Sheldon Day has to win on this first move. If Sheldon Dada went on his first move, he is no good to you. And if he gets caught rushing you down the middle, he is toast. Fourth round you're taking, you know what I want to pick? Fourth round? I think I think when you were talking about the fifth round, and so I just didn't see I mean, I saw him an explosive player, but I didn't see a guy winning all the time. And I'll

tell you what's gonna happen. He deserves kudos for the motor motor. Yeah, and there's a reason why he went to Notre Dame. I will tell you this though. I guarantee Rod Marinelli and the staff will sit down and they will watch him on tape because they I wonder if they've really studied him. Okay, they've coached him, they've coached him, but I wonder if they've really studied him, like against Stanford, against USC the games that we watch

were there's big linemen are hammering him. That's intriguing to me. That's intrigue. I mean, yeah, you get to coach him, you get to see what he's all about. You like him, now go back and watch him. But what wins out with the coaches, I don't know. I mean, you know, he better be the tape. Better be the tape. A name, A name comes to mind right now, Ryan Russell, Uh, yeah, that you know, crazier things have happened. Maybe you like the guy maybe the tape isn't impressive and it doesn't

bother you. So I don't know. I want to get into another name. I'll give you here. Uh. We talked about a little bit about these quarterbacks. I'm interested what you guys think of the kid. You brought him up, Tyler Irvin from San Jose State. He got absolutely clocked out there a few times. I mean, he's a he's one ninety. I'm just saying he's on tape. He was probably one seventy five. How about that? How about that Auburn tape though, him running up inside there, I thought

he was I thought he was a four net. You already used that joke telling him, yeah, that's a draft show. I can use a joke. He's tough, but he's it's real tape. No, I know he was blowing it up in there. I mean it's like San Jose was running the ball against Auburn. Fear, he has no fear. Is a guy that you consider late in the draft if you don't bring Dunbar back, Like I don't think it's a guy that you really would consider if you bring

Dunbar back. Yeah, but if you don't. But he you know, the one huge question about him, aside from his size and all that is canny pass protect. Sure enough, he got a chance to pass protect today and a big and the competition drill right technically won. He technically won. Whenever one in the press box and I'm talking about Jeff and Brobs going cut him, cut him, and you tall it's Jared Morris came in and that he had it was gonna run him over, and Tyler ARV said, nah,

not here. So listen, if it's third down and we got Irvan in the game, we're not here to pass pro. We are releasing. We're going somewhere. Miles killer Brew, m this is gonna take a lot. This wing me on, Miles killer Brew, you're going You're not going there already. No, he didn't move a little bit better. It did surprise me a little bit, but you're I was, you know what, this is the complete opposite of Sheldon Day for me. If I'm gonna change my mind and Shill, I didn't

actually like Sheldon. I thought Killer Brew's tape was really bad. I thought I was. I was very surprised when it was Dane who came in and he was like, listen, there's guys that are he's gonna be great at the combine and the way he's built, the way he runs, and then we turned on the tape, and on the tape we're like, okay, but he's not a football player, Like he's gonna go to the combine and he's gonna run fast. He's gone, and they're gonna be like, he

is a really good athlete. But watching on tape, he did not play safety. Well, he did not understand angles. There was a hesitancy to his game of caution, you know, like that. So yeah, so lose kat here. I think he's got a radio. But again he's got to go to Hey, this is your favorite thing to repeat over and over again in the world. Yeah, when you get into the late part of the draft, you're looking traits tea. If he's a super athletic, can he play a special

team somebody? Right now? The problem is that somebody will take him earlier. Well, somebody's gonna take him as the football player, right and I can't be that team. Yeah, I would take him as the Yes, here's a guy who has the size I want, who has the speed I want, who maybe I can turn into something somebody's gonna take him as that's our safety. It's not me that's said that'll be interesting. Okay, one more guy here before we get out of here. You brought him up.

Two was Adolphus Washington. Yeah. I thought that he was one of those guys that when he lined up and it was time to penetrate, this isn't just one on one. This is one on one. This is the run game, this is the past game, the eleven on eleven Adolphins. Washington looked pretty advanced in terms of a guy who knows how to win coming off of the ball, right. You know, he could do the dip and rip, he had the arm over move, he showed a spin move.

Adolphus Washington I thought was the guy that if you weren't gonna give it to Rankins as the guy who was sort of unstoppable out here, I would give it to Washington. I think Rankins is the better player because if he stopped initially, he's powerful enough, and I don't think Washington is the same sort of player in that spot. But in terms of a guy who could play the three technique that's not going to be easily washed away and can win in terms of pass rush, I thought

Adolphus Washington had a good week. Yeah, I think. And there's not a lot of three techniques in this draft. Yeah, and and and the problem is where's Candi gonna go? Yeah from you know, old miss. I mean that's what I mean. He's gonna go. But you know what, though, there's some questions about him, Yeah, there are, and and all of a sudden, you're thinking, well, you take a guy that you know, will he be the slider? You know, we have to you have to you have to think

about those things. I'm not trying to compare the guy to Aaron Donald, but I did I mean he got into the backfield this week or Washing Wash Washington? Yeah, I thought he did. Yeah, I think so too. I think Rankins is a better player. I think ranking to the first round player. But I think you have to le have to look at and maybe you even you think it's more with this team probably doesn't think of him though, right, because that's it. It is a three tech that can I know that they love and they

value that position. But you've got a guy making nine million a year at that position. Yeah, that's another And I mean I'm not best player available. I get it, and I agree with it, but yeah, you gotta start

thinking about it. It's gonna be there for years and years, which somebody brought up and completely reversing course, somebody brought up an interesting point today I thought, which is, you know, if you're taking this quarterback at four with that, with the intention that he's not gonna play consistently for even two to three years, and then you got to use that putting a lot of money into a position you're not getting used out of, especially if you pick up

his option, which for a quarterback, you're talking probably fifteen million dollars. You could try it on the chief again, and you could fail miserably when your starter goes down. It's always an option. You could we could be talking about the third overall pick again next year. You could be. You could be. You could be smart and yeah, no you can't anyway, I don't. Yeah, Okay, Well that's all the time we have for tonight on the Draft show, Brian, what do you want to see at the actual game

since we're still we still have that to watch? Yeah, I you know what, i I'm I'm always going to be interested in pass rushers. I'm always gonna be interested in defensive lineman. I think that this team. I'm interested too in secondary play. I want to see a couple I want to we didn't even talk about those. Yeah, yeah, I want to see some corners, and they competed yesterday. A big guys. Absolutely, guy, there's some guys with some range with some link to him. Murray from Minnesota kept

showing absolutely, so, yeah, it's a scrappy dude. Apps. Yeah, I keep saying absolutely because you're absolutely right, specifically because of Kavanaugh. I'm gonna watch Spence like a hawk throughout this game, you know what, you know what? Yeah, you need, you need, you know what. That would be a great story for you. And at the end of the day, right, just what a monster because they're not going to block him.

If they do, though, if they block him, then we need to draft a tackle and put him over the right side. The tackle moves up two or three. But I really it's been a good week for these guys. I want to see, though. I want to see some guys that maybe that didn't have Maybe the quarterback, maybe Dak Prescott does step up. Maybe Kevin Hogan's a gamer. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I didn't see it you're talking about You're talking about eight quarterbacks in an

exhibition game with no blitzing and stuff. I just worry that I'm not really gonna see that much out of them that I can do it. Would you think less of Carson Wins if he kind of has a bad day, if he has a really bad day, I mean, it's not gonna ruin my opinion of him, but if he really saw Oh you guys killed this guy, killed Lynch for have a bad day against Auburn. So I told I said it earlier and I'll say it again. I'm get ready the music say it again. Shut up, now

give me the player. You can have the traits. This is Kavanaugh. Either he's the best player to ever play or he's a garbage There's no in between. The golf, Yeah, there's no in between with this man. How about Team Spence now a right team golf? Good? Well, the music tells it's time to go. I'm gonna just thank Kevin Turner he had to go out and do a little radio for one oh five three, and then Jeff Kavanaugh for coming and being a part of a Senior Bowl week.

Thank you guys so much. For doing that. I want to also thank David Hellman for always being a part of the Draft Show. Dame Burglar out there, uh, and I want to thank Ken Garrison, our executive producer. I also want to thank ed Ka Hill for coming up with this idea and Derek Eagleton for letting us do it. We will see you next Friday. Make sure you're looking at Dallascowboys dot com for all your all your needs in the draft, all your needs for the Senior Bowl.

Will be covering it just like a game. I'll have my twelve thoughts, we'll do all those great things. So for my crew here, thanks again. Have a great weekend and we'll see you next Friday on the Draft Show.