Draft Show: LIVE From Senior Bowl - Day 2

dot Com. Kick Garrison the executive producer of the show. As always and as we do and like to say, we're here to investigate, Dane, then educate. Yes, absolutely, so let's do some dim investigating. Today. We had some practices

the Senior Bowl. People feel savage in the group, were nice enough to move it back this morning when we all got up and we're doing activities, whether it was going out and getting some coffee or going for a job, whatever it was raining this morning, you did not go for You went for a job for a job because I'm tired of being a fat guy. I'm tired of all those means people hawking at you. No, No, he's tired of Proud Brian. I'm tired of Proud Brian because

I look like it's embarrassing. Yeah, marshmallow man, it's embarrassing how fat I look. So I did not go for a rod, so kudos to you. Well, but it was cold. What I was yeah, what I was trying to get to though, is that the Senior Bowl folk moved the practices back, so we got a North practice at noon, so we had back to back practice which I thought were very cool. And uh and by the way too, someone want to promote a little bit if I can't,

I know Ki Garrison does a great job. Uh. We are one of our staples that Dave Hellman's a part of and other writers is is Training Camp Live or Ota Live. We gave you a little Senior Bowl Live today and Dane Brugler and I were on the sidelines for one on ones with the wide receivers and the defensive backs. And I think you want to take a look at that. They'll be on Dallas Cowboys dot com up here after the show. Okay, so it's now posted on Dallas Cowboys dot com, so maybe check that out.

Dane and I are doing a little commentary, and then we got a little one on one. You've probably been watching things on ESPN. If I'm not staking, it's been recovered it at all our friends there. But this gives you a little bit more of a perspective, Like I say, from Dane myself and Kent was let me tell you

this was right in the middle of the action. Braxton Miller almost blew him up, but Kent hung his ground, stayed his ground, and so we got some really good commentary and then some shots if you want to take a look at that. Hopefully we'll do some war tomorrow. Maybe we'll get to the offensive lineman tomorrow if we can. But I want to start with with all that being said, though I can easily say, hey, impressions of the North practice, impressions of the South practice today. But the fact that

the guy has had the pads on. Anybody surprised you? Anybody come out, anybody that somebody that we weren't really very highly Did anybody disappoint and I and when we get into the disappointing side, yeah, yeah, when I when I get into the disappointment side of it today or we talk about some of these players though Um, I was disappointed in a couple of guys that I've thought

were some pretty good players. But I want to get your guys, you know, I always like to get your guys opinions on maybe some guys you saw that you say, hey, Brian, this guy was pretty good today this guy was not so good. Just give me a little bit of idea what you got day. I was focusing on the defensive line for both the North and the South. Practices for the North. Johad Ward from Illinois really interesting player because he moves well and at his size a defensive end.

Where are you gonna play him? Though? People are asking about that on Twitter and on tape. He played inside, I played outside. We saw him play both. But I did not like his tape at all. I mean, I was very disappointed to what he did at Illinois this past year. But here at the Senior Bowl, he's helping himself because he when you can move like he can, coaches see that and they want to get their hands on it and mold a player like that. So I

think he helped himself. Vernon Butler, we talked about him quite a bit Louisiana Tech tackle h He's helped himself and then the South practice the defensive line. On the South, I mean they dominated. Sheldon Rankins from Louisville. I mean just been moved stuff today. You see some hand moves variety, You saw power, you saw quickness. Blockers just didn't have an answer for him. A DJ reader from Clemson another

one who had a really nice practice. Think Cody white Hair at the Kansas State offensive lineman, who was probably the best offensive lineman here this week. He's the only guy that could, you know, at least slow them down. And then Noah Spence probably had the best best practice of either the North and the South to his get off quickness to bend the edge and finish at the quarterback.

No one down here has that, but he does. Yeah anything, Dave, you were on the sidelines, I mean, you know, Dane and I, which was safety of the press box today? I was dodging. Uh yeah, I was dodging tackles and the bodies down there. Uh. Two guys. One guy. I consider him a surprise because I watched the tape with you, and I was so put off by him that I wound up watching somebody else instead. Actually, I could probably apply to two guys but in this case, Sheldon day Ah,

I thought he showed some stuff down there. We watched him back at Valley Ranch and I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna watch Jalen Smith because well, you were you worried about his height though I was. He reminded Ken Bishop. Yeah, for a variety of reasons, my hair included. But short guy made a more talented player than Ken Bishop. Short guy just kind of like a gets in the way kind of a guy like

eats up space. But he looked good down there. And Rod Marine, he was really complimentary of what he was able to do for the North team today. So he and you know that's probably on me, like maybe I wrote him off off of a couple of games of tape, but I was surprised at what he was able to do down there. And then the other guy. Not to steal from your scouts, I wrap up that will be posting later. But uh, Maurice, how do you say this

guy's name the Virginia Corner? Yes, absolutely, yeah, Kennedy. He I like him, and I'm not saying he's like the He had a little had a little video. Yeah he was kicking, but he was he hung in there with Braxton Miller like twice. And Braxton Miller has been smoking everybody here, so he hung in there with Miller. Um, he shut down a couple other guys, Um, the Michigan State kid Burbridge. Yeah. Um, and again I know you you always say he's too aggressive and he makes mistakes

and stuff. And I'm again, I'm not saying he's like right, he's not Patrick Peterson out here, sure, but I mean he he reminds me of Richard Sherman and how big he is. I don't think he's as tall as rich but yeah, but Dan, he's just a big, physical, athletic dude. And I'll take that all day and work with him. I thought the North team as a whole, the cornerbacks all played very well and when we were down, and again, I encourage you to be fair and me and Dane

talked about this. A lot of holding going on, with the exception of Braxton Miller. I don't think I care about any of these well, but but but guys have got to cover. Yeahs, I've got to go out there and play. You can only you can only play the guy that they put in front of you. Yeah. The Eric Murray the Minnesota corner, right, that's Murray, that's exactly took him up and hit you. He'll he looks to,

you know, knock the receiver off the route, get them uncomfortable. Um. You know a couple of these corners even on the South squad as well, the Samford corner. Bradberry, Yeah, I think you know Sterling Shepherd, you know, took him to task a few times. But when Bradberry can press get get his hands on you, stay balanced, uh and really disrupt the route. That that's where he really excels. So I think Bridberry has been able to help himself some

as well. You're you're right up as Kennedy as Range. Yeah, that's he's just lot. But let's talk about what they did with him today, Dane. Something that the count and Dave knows this very well, being around the team every single day training position flex. What did you see today? And it may I'm gonna ask you in like Perry Mason here always knows the answers to the questions. He asked reference. Yeah, exactly, old he is a lawyer. Don't worry about it, just answer the question. No, but what

did you see? Kenny? They put him at safety. Yeah, they tried him at safety in practice. So and it puts what happens he's at his best what exactly when exactly he can read, react, absolutely aggressive, and you know when the play when he loses a step, when that receiver gains a step vertically, I mean he's done. He does all that recovery. See, he doesn't have the hips to quickly turn and go, but when the plays in front of him, when he can react, read and go,

that's when he's at his best. So it makes sense. Yeah, I really do like the player. I liked him. I like him a lot. The problem I had with him though,

is and you see it on tape. We talked about this yesterday with the Notre Dame game, the double moves or when they, like you said, when they get past him, Yeah, it's it's over because the separation he can't now in the UCLA game, if you have him to watch that game, first play of the game, they try and launch it on him on a nine and he's able to because the ball hang will hung so long that he was

able to get a position knocked away. But there's times today where they separated on him and maybe the plan for him is Hey, let's give him some looks at safety where you could play him back in deep and let him just react that way, or come forward and drive on the football. So it makes a lot of sense. I think Tavon Young, the Temple corner he helped himself as well, had had a few nice reps against these receivers.

But you know, like we're talking about before, besides Braxon Miller, these receivers on the North squad tough to get excited about him, especially now with Carew. He's gonna be out the rest of the week, so we're done seeing him. I'll be eager to see which receivers get the call up. Uh. You know, with Sharp being out and now Carew, maybe a Temple wide receiver might be getting the call. Oh I hope so I'm hearing he might get the call up so and that that would be a great opportunity

for him. Uh. Robbie Anderson if he used to come here. Hey, he's a guy. He's a guy you watch when you when you're watching, when you're watching, thought he was the best receiver I saw the shrine. When you're watching William Jackson tape at Houston. All a sudden, this number nineteen for Temple shows up and you're like, whoa, hey, and then I think you answered one of them. We were tweeting Jeff Kavanaugh. We're tweeting at you, Hey, what about

this guy? You know? And so yeah, if he gets the call up, and and good for him to come in and get that opportunity. Yeah. And I'm gonna say this though about Sharp, you know. And and I'm talking about Taj Sharp from U Mass. Disappointing for me today with him, you know. And I was hopeful that when you watch his tape, you see some good things. You

see a lot of good things. And now it's the second he had an All Star game last week, and now he's hurting this game, and I just every time I want to like the guy, you know, and I think, well, maybe I can elevate him a little bit. Maybe you have a good Senior Bowl, you know, work out with the pros, and you know, elevate his game a little more. And now he's heard it just raises more questions with me about him, you know, And I'm like, Okay, I know what the tape says. I just wanted to see

a little bit more. I'm disappointed for him as hopeful as get to to raise him, and he doesn't have that ideal bild. He's six two, but he's only one hundred and eighty nine pounds. So yeah, lean very little, very lean, and let me get into Dane. Since you were focusing on the defensive line today. Another disappointment for Brian Broadus was Austin Johnson. That's that was the one I was alluding to earlier. Yeah, and I was, and

I was hopeful of Austin Johnson. What I see in Austin Johnson throw on the Ohio State tape and the thrashing, the movement down the line to get up the field that you know, fight to get you know, I'm not seeing that from him right now. If you did not see any Austin Johnson coming into this week, I don't think you'd be disappointed. I think he'd be like, hey, he's a nice player. But because he did play four guys right exactly, because we've seen him on tape, we've

had a chance to look at him. He has impressed this year. There were some expectations coming into the week for him, and I think it is safe to say that he has not met those expectations yet. Now the week's not over. He's still a good player. You see the flashes, but you know, I do want to see more out of him. Yeah, but were you were when you were watching him? Were you kind of like I was cheerleading a little and Dave's seeing me cheerlead for players before. When I do this, No, I love when

you do it. It's fun and funny, and I mean, honestly, I know Carson Wentz is the guy, but like I look around and Austin Johnson to me is the most realistic guy here that I would think Wind's up on this roster, you know. Yeah, and in terms of what how this might actually play out, it's totally plausible to think he would be there at thirty or and that the Cowboys and listen this once again talking one technique's here? Okay, real quick, Cherian Reid do anything for you today? Is

again you're focusing on defensive line. Yeah. I think he's so powerful with his hands, and that's what you want from a one or a zero technique, right, Not the most rangey player, but uh, you know he's able to get off the ball quickly, engage and then you know he he he sees through blockers, Uh. And that's one thing you saw on tape, that's one thing you've seen this week. Um. You know, he keeps his eyes trained

on the ball. He knows what he's doing with his hands to you know, latch and just detach himself from that block. So I do think Jeron Reid's helped himself. I mean the South squad these a lot of these defensive tackles are right, they're looking like future first round Revery Sheldon rankins as a future first round and Geron Read to me is a future first rounder. So I mean it's really impressive defensive line talent. Let me throw this at you, Dane. I had a conversation with a

scout today. We get for being on the sideline check me out right, Yeah, throw that name down on their name dropper. Mind. I'm not name dropping God. I keep my you know, unlike me who just tells you who it is. Uh. We're talking about defensive ends on the South team and we're talking about Oakman and Fence and all the suspects. And he says, why don't you watch old ninety one there Charles Tapper for Oklahoma. M Yeah, Tapper's interesting, he's and he stop to figure out because

of the way Oklahoma used him. I mean he was in a frog stance, you know, just to a lot of two gap, a lot of you know, hold the edge, a lot of you know, not not really letting him be an athlete and go up field. See what he can do. Uh. You know, we saw it a couple of years ago against Alabama in the bowl game. He just he gave aj McCarron in that Alabama backfield trouble the entire game. But you know this past season, you

watched one tape. You just it's tough to get a good feel for him, and you know what he could be at the next level if you've seen Tapper. I haven't watched him yet though, but I know that when you talk about Oklahoma's scheme and row of fence any o, you Sooner fans out there, but your scheme killed Striker too. My little linebacker. Hey, I can't tell you how many times he has to play against offensive tackles. You know, we just let him just run, you know. I mean,

that's the one thing he can do. Let him run to the football. So when you start talking about the scheme in Oklahoma, I totally understand what's going on um any of the offensive lineman in you anybody catch your eye. We were kind of I was, I was looking a little bit though at the we were Tom up Martin, but with Nick Martin a little bit though anything more with him, you know, I felt like there was a couple of reps yesterday where he really wasn't very good.

I thought, for overall, both lines held up reasonably well. That my my my Indiana, my Indians, my Indiana offensive tackle. You know, he seems like that he's hold I'm using the word holding up. But because there's every next thing, you know, you know, Spence rushes against him, one of these ends rushes, but he seems like the one that's I mean where Murphy from Stanford is getting beat almost every snatch does not look good. He does not looked good.

And then you talk about you know, and then and then uh, you know Duranngo, you know, I mean his hit or miss with him, He was very hit and missed with him. But I you know, again, they moved like he was playing some left side and then they moved in the right. He looked worse on the right side than he did on the left side. And I'm trying to project him. Okay, is he a guard? Is he? You know, he's tough, especially coming from that Baylor offense where he was a four year starter at left half,

so that's where he is comfortable. So I guess it's not too surprising that he would be more comfortable on the left side than the right side. But overall this offensive line, it's hard to get excited about any of these guys. I do like Spriggs Um. I worry about his core strength a little bit, but he's an athlete. Glasgow the center do anything for you from Michigan. I liked him. I loved him last week when I saw him with a Shrine game. Right this week, a little

uptick in competition and he struggled something. Yeah, they tried to pla him at some guard today. That's probably where most teams are gonna have him because he's six six Ronnie's six six centers are that's true, that's I think most teams are looking at him as a guard um And so you know, he struggled some a little bit. He does play low because he has a flexible lower body, but you know, I think he's still adjusting to the speed of what he's seeing. This week. You know what

the guys. I was looking down at my roster here and a guy did I forgot to mention the defensive end. I need to ask you about him, though, is Daddy Nicholas from Virginia Tech. And I wrote about him today in a way that I thought there were a couple of reps where he was actually did something for me, not so much for you. Today. I don't know what to do with him because he's two hundred and thirty five pounds. Oh okay, could claim it outside linebacker. That's

where I think he has to play. Yeah, I don't. He can't play defensive end for me unless he's strictly a sub package, you know, third down rush or something like that. But he has good arm length over thirty five inches. He's an athlete. But he had two and a half sacks this year and when you watch, Yeah, I haven't seen him on tape, but but today he flashed at me a couple of different times that get off, yeah, get off back. He can beat you because he's an athlete.

And if he beat you with that get off, then he has a chance to make a play in the pocket. But if he doesn't win off the snap, forget it. He doesn't have power to control the point of attack. Blockers can overwhelm him. Um, you know, he struggles to do much after that. So I don't know what to do with him, because you know, again he's he's a two hundred and thirty five pounds. I don't and I don't think he's gonna get much bigger than that. He's just a leaner type guy. But he does have good length.

I don't think he knows how to use it, but there are some tools to work with. Yeah, you're right about to get off because he was able to capture the edge a couple of times and get some pressure. Dave, I'm gonna ask you a bad Did you see your boy Dion Jones today? I did. I actually I tried to stop at LSU inside lineback. I tried to talk to U to Debo this afternoon, but he Debo ls you guys, we can Lingo. He's he's a I mean, Debo is a LSU guy, but he is a Jesuit

high school guys. Oh, he's a blue Jay. He's near and dear to my heart. Um, yeah, I actually I talked to another scout about him. Try and you put him on the field. Man, I'm trying. He's getting a little heavy for us having to carry him. I sit here, I'm I mean, I like him a lot of here fast, he's good in coverage. He hits like a maniac. He got kicked out of a game last uh in October for just decking a quarterback who didn't have her at all. Yea um. But in the immediately the scout's like, yeah,

he ways two hundred and nineteen pounds. Yeah, what are you gonna do with him? See? But well we'll figure it out. I don't know. But today he had two nice plays. He carried carried carbage, carried a receiver up the field, jipped the ball away and he got we got an interception off that. And then he caused a phone. If you watch, he was chasing the play and and Brandon Allen was running, he tomahawk the ball out of his hand. Here's an we talked about run. We talked

about Debo a little bit back at Valley Ranch. I remember, like, I just see him not as the same type of player, don't get me wrong, but I just see him having a role like Kyle Wilbur, Like he's good enough to play some snaps at linebacker, but really, what I think he'll excel at in the NFL is just as a special team's beast. He's fast, he hits, he's he has a knack for getting at the ball. You guys, tell me if you agree with that or if you think I'm totally wrong. No, I have a hard time believing

he's like an every down player. I don't know, what do you think. I think you need to figure out how to use him in coverage because that's I think that's where he can hold up. And if you can cover at linebacker, then you have a job in this league. And so very put you on the field and let you go. But you do have to protect him. You have to be able to keep him clean in the run game. You know, he does struggle to you know,

disengage blocks, and so you do see that some. But when he can stay clean and play in space, now he's not a safety, you know. I don't think you can move him the safe, right, It's not that simple. But what he can do as the are all for all fans, Yeah, exactly the same thing a corner move the safety. But you know, for these guys, you know, I want him on my team. I don't know if

he can be a three down starter. I'm not convinced he's that, but uh, you know, at some point I'm gonna get him on the field and he's gonna be a coverage beast. Yeah. I like what Dave's saying about Kyle Wilbur. I think that's a pretty fair comparison and that people are talking about him in like the third round, and I think that's a little bridge. It's kind of crazy.

In my im. He can run people. Get him on my team as a fifth round pick, where he can be like the fifth or sixth linebacker and play every special team unit. Yeah, sign me up, I say a borderline top one hundred. Okay, that's see. And I trust Dan's opinion over my own, but that sounds that sounds expensive to me. But hey, okay, well he's an athlete. I'll give you that. Can't tell me I need to take a break. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna take a break here from the Senior Bowl coverage

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Show from Mobile, Alabama side of the Senior Bowl. But got Dame Bugler from CBS Sports and also Dallas Cowboys dot Com, and I mentioned that when we opened the show, Executive producer Kent Garrison told me that the Senior Bowl Live video is up wide receivers North working against the defensive backs. Kent was right in the middle of the action. We get we get a little quarterback stuff in there too.

We get a little quarterback we do a little carts, little Carson Wentz in there, and you can see them all throw so, uh, encourage it good. We went to the first segment without even talking too much about Carson Wentz. So that's a win. That's that's good. There's other guys down here, no thereon Wentz. It's a shame they're not playing as well as Carson Wentz did. A win or a wins. I mean, see, it always kill me. It's

always yeah, right now. All right, what we're gonna do is, uh, we don't have our Twitter on the twenty, but ken we'll give it. Aw there we go. So we're gonna line up these questions hopefully. Uh, everybody kind of knows the drill. Make sure you get your questions in at at the Draft show. That's the best way to do it. Follow the Draft show. Kin's been putting out information about times and players and we try to answer questions on that.

So make sure you're following at the Draft show and also follow DP Brugler for a lot of great insight. And then uh d Hellman Helman DC Helman d C. I knew it was. It's a dumb name. Yeah, it's DC is for Dallas Cowboys. Ye just switch the Rowan Kabner having got messed up. Yeah, okay, well Brian brought us right. Just yeah, if you want to just get war down, just follow me. But anyway, so Dave, I'll

give you the show and let's answer some questions. All right, We're gonna start off with Slide, who wants to know what you think of Miles Killerbrew the guy he's got to be the most obscure school player here. And this entire thing Southern Utah. Right, Yeah, although they do have quite a few prospects in this draft. Actually they might have three or four guys drafted. But good for them. Yeah, you know, we watched him on tape together. Yeah, you know,

and we talked about this a little bit yesterday. Dane tricked me into doing it and I should have listened to him when he gave it to me to do. He was didn't listen. Well, no, but we watched the you know, the tape doesn't lie, right, you know, it's not We were unimpressed, were underwhelmed. We right, we saw an athlete, a guy that can move a good size player, but you know, routinely took poor angles. There's some other question marks. But what have you seen from him this week?

Where you have you you've been impressed? A little bit happy I have and what it makes me? And then I go back and I look at the talk about the Sam Houston game and the Utah State game and you know, the stuff that we watched, and you know, I look at my notes and it's like quick feet breaks on the ball, you know, But I you know, I thought he needed to wrap up better. I thought he ran easy uh, you know, but you know, slight

delay in the way. Briggs didn't think he was very instinctive, and I don't see I didn't think he always saw the play developed. But and there's some explosiveness in the hole. But he doesn't look like that guy out here. You know, you see him run to the flat, you see him being decisive. You see him now again he's gonna have to tackle in this game, because I have some questions about guys running, you know, running through arm tackles and stuff like that. But to me, he looks like a

different player. But let's let's be honest here four four nine speed is what they had. And that's the thing. If he's gonna be drafted, probably in the second round, and I think it's gonna be based off of the measurables because when you watch him on tape, you know, it's easy here to understand where the play is going. He doesn't have to think too much here. I mean,

it's sea ball, get ball. So my instinctive comment is actually pretty is I know, I think you're you know, he doesn't have to worry about reading an offense here, he doesn't have to worry about anticipating. Uh, you know, it's all you know, Seaball get ball. It's it's these drills are pretty vanilla, whereas in on the tape that we watched, I mean he was, you know, waiting for

the play to develop. Okay, then I'll go. It was just he was too afraid of making a mistake, a false step that uh you know is very hesitant and here we're not seeing that. But it's easy to mask that here for a safety. Yeah, did you see Jeremy Cash today? By the way, there's a reason why he didn't. But no, there's a reason why. We were up stairs and the ball went vertical and all of a sudden he was single high sterling. Shepherd did a little yeah,

I see. And the next thing, you know that it was when if he's even with Cash, it's fat, it's past Cash, he's open. So yeah, you're if you're a Jeremy Cash fan, play him down, don't let him play deep, because exactly he couldn't react ball, Like I say, Shepherd blew by him and ball was down the field and it was over. By the way, Shepherd had a nice night today, not a bad day. Yeah. What Braxton Miller is doing for the North squad. I think Shepherd's quietly

doing that for the South team. I don't. I mean Braxton Miller. I think there's more hype because all he's you know, he's not a wide receiver. You know, we didn't know what to expect. Shepherd's just been doing It's, you know, business as usual for him. We've seen him do it for Oklahoma for how many years now? But I think Shepherd's quietly having a very very nice week. Good point, Dave. I want you guys to guess what college program Wait, wait, wait, we get we have to

guess it's gonna be. We investigate. It's an easy guess, It's really easy. I want you to guess what program Peyton is a fan of, because he wants to know what Eric Murray and kJ may look like. It might be a Gopher, Yeah, I think so. I tell you, Eric Murray, him and Braxton Miller had a few good battles today, and I got to watch Murray in the North practice and again, honestly, the cornerbacks looked great today. I mean they did that compete period. Yeah, all right,

maybe there was a little it's all good him. He asked Eric Murray how many flags did you get this year, because that's all he was doing. And that one, that one on his jersey was sideways. That might be true, but like he's he's like, he's got some Deva tendencies. He yeah, he's got some Deva tendencies over there. Yes, oh yeah, um he's yeah. But no, all the quints they did a compete period about halfway through the North

practice three and oh all cornerbacks over receivers all three times. Yeah. Um, anyway, but go ahead, wrote about that. I think you're putting it up for me here. Yeah, I thought this. I thought the North defensive backs we won the battle today, and hey, there's no referees and if you have to grab and hold and clutch and punch and whatever, you do,

do it. But Murray caught my eye today. Murray caught my because every single time that Braxton Miller stepped up to take a rep, he went with him, and he realized he's saying, Okay, they're all here to see this good looking number one run down the field. You know, let me see if I can cover this this guy that everybody's talking about, Dame Brugler in the top sixty. Brian brought us in the top sixty. You know, let's see. So yeah, I think Murray is what we saw on tape.

He's a physical press guy who looks to get his hand on you, reroute you keep you uncomfortable. And you know we've said that about a few corners this week. But Eric Murray that's his bread and butter um. And then kJ May the wide receiver. You know, I think there was some talk about, well, he's a mobile native, that's why he got the invite. Does he really belong here? I'll tell you what. So far, he looks like he belongs. I mean he's he's small, obviously, but uh, I think

he has good build on him. And so far he's catching everything that comes his way. And he's, you know, a good catching go type of guy who not the fastest, not going to run a blazing time, but he's quick. And yeah, so he's able to catch the ball, get up the field and make something happen. Well, let me tell you another thing that he can do. He can block.

And I and I thought in this and and I thought this where Cyrus Jones to me, Alabama is a tough I mean he's a five nine guy, but he's tough scrap he will come up and he will he will fight you. And there was a couple of times where they did an individual blocking trew where it's a stalk and then attack, and two times May and Jones went head to head with each other and May got

the best of him. So if you can, if you're a guy that they seem like, hey, you know, everybody in Dallas cowboy Land says, can they find a better Dwayne Harris? Can they find a guy that not afraid at the point of attack? It can make some plays, some make some catches, can block. Maybe he's got some special teams in his blood. Keep an eye on that kid, because he showed some toughness today. Scrappy yep, um physical.

I am Thomas is intrigued, and I am also intrigued because other than Carson Wentz, like anybody who watches college football, it's the over and underdone this U you maybe you hear this guy's name and you think like, huh, yeah that guy. Can you guys what I'm talking about right now? Yep? That's I think he's the second best quarterback on the North Frost, no doubt about it. He's the second best quarterback. Maybe Yeah, I mean I that's disappointing for me, just

rist just for me to want to be man. I do. But Driscoll has been impressive in the opportunity. But she had a chance to talk with him today. What was he What was the vibe? And I'm talking about the Jacoby Brisset prices I always jack those names up. Played better than I learned. I I like his demeanor. He's he's calm, cool, collected, he said. I thought it was interesting. He said, Uh, leadership and poise are his best, two things that he brings. And I'm thinking back to his tape.

I mean, he certainly seems cool under pressure. I haven't he was bad today. Well, anybody on the South team I haven't had as good of a chance to watch because in the North team is just dominating your workload exactly. Um, So it's disappointing to hear that. I did. I did like his demeanor, just in terms of talking to the guy and seeing what he's all about. UM through the ball awfully today, Yeah, that's didn't hit. You know, there was times where guys receivers open. He was in between

some throws he sidelined to the out. It was too high and I'm thinking nerves or I'm just thinking not very good today. And you know, Kevin Hogan was like that for the North team today. Just I mean, I he there were balls going wide and short and high. And when it comes to these quarterbacks, I just my mom always said, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all. So that's well, welcome to the draft show. I'm going to get paid to say. Sorry. No,

it's I agree about Driscoll. I mean it Wentz obviously the top guy. If I don't get my quarterback in the first two rounds, top forty picks, Driscoll is a guy I'm looking at in the mid rounds. Are people going back on Cook and saying, you know what, maybe Cook. Cook has a whole lot of other issues going on. I know, yeah, you know, never threw for fifty nine percent completions in his career, It wasn't voted a team captain.

There's some character stuff going on. So I think Cook, if he doesn't go about him, oh yeah, his teammates, I'll say some bad stuff. Get him out of here, get him off my board. I don't like him. I don't Cook. Yeah, alright, no, I pull this up when we draft, you will not be knowing person saying that, Um let's tell tell me about Driscoll though, because he has looked intrigue and like I said, I think there's a stigma attached to the fact that the Florida didn't

go so well. And I'm guilty of this too. After he looked awful of Florida. I mean that that entire offense did him no favors though, you know, when he was there under must Champ and I think a lot of people just wrote him off as a prospect. Transferred to Louisiana Tech this year as a fifth year senior, reinvented himself so as as a pro prospect, and you know, you can say, well, you know, the competition wasn't as good. Louisiana Tech played Mississippi State this year and Driscoll had

a terrific game that game. So to me, Driscoll is a guy that I'm not convinced he's a starter down the road. But if I don't get my guy early and I still want to draft a quarterback, Driscoll's the guy that I'm targeting in the middle rounds. That's interesting to me. I mean, yeah, we focus so much on four. And you know, maybe WinCE was a guy that you used to look at at thirty four. That doesn't seem

likely now. And so now I'm just trying to get a mental image of what's your next opportunity to look at a quarterback. If you don't go it for see, that's the thing I would. Yeah, And you can't just let it this week. I mean, there's some things you can learn from this week. Don't get me wrong. I think some guys, you know, you're just evaluating. It's just another opportunity. And I admire the guys for coming out here, the Hogans and the Kessel because I'm not a huge

Kessler fan. Hey and and I but you know, am Iron for throwing the football. They're here, the other quarterbacks are, But I will I will say this though about Driscoll though, and maybe it has to do with just the uncertainty of you know, being nervous. But he holds the ball and may on tape. I haven't studied them on tape, but he holds that thing. And you're like bro in the NFL. In the NFL, these corners they give you

no window, and you better just let it fly. You better just let it, cut it loose and go play, because if you don't, you're not gonna be playing. Really, that's why he is a mid rounder at best and not you know, because all the tools are there. I mean, he's a well built kid. He can move, he's an athlete, has a big arm and scout you know, I tweeted about this back in October, a scout told me he is the best leader at quarterback he has talked to in ten years. Yeah, so, I mean it's all their

for him. But the anticipation, the vision as a passer, it's just not has not caught up yet and so there's a good chance they never will. And that's why he's a mid round guy, not a you know, top fifty player. And you asked me about Brissette. For the record, I talked to Driscoll on Tuesday morning at the Way, and that's a seasoned dude in terms of dealing with that type of stuff. And I mean you would expect that from a guy who spent three four years at

a program like UF. But he's very comfortable with the media, very comfortable at talking and and being eloquent without shooting from the hip, you know, sounding like he's patting himself on the bat kind of guy. He's savvy, he's savvy media presence. Well, and I'm about to ask Dane to do something really difficult that he's it's it's unfair, but I just know he's all right. Let's just assume. I mean,

you know you're big. You're big, guys, your your golf, your lynch, your wins, you know your first round guys all go in the first round. What I mean, where where's the next spot where you feel comfortable about the Cowboys picking a quarterback? I mean it doesn't seem to be maybe Connor Cook maybe, but who do you feel good about it? Like thirty four or sixty whatever. I don't see them. I don't feel good about any of

those guys at thirty four. But in the early third round, that's when if Cook's still around, he needs to be in the conversation. If he's I think Cook can start in the NFL. I just think he's a very low ceiling right. Um, I don't think he's a guy that is a long term answer. Um, there's just there's something missing from from Connor Cook and then the name. We're gonna hear a lot about and he's not here. But

Christian Hackenberg depends on that. I forgot all about him because like you're in like Senior Bowl road and you're thinking about senior quarterbacks. Yeah that if he's still there in the early third round, then you know it's worth the conversation because it's is he already you know, we saw what he did as a freshman and the last two years have been in disasters. He already damaged goods.

You know, there's a lot to work with there, but there's a lot of red flags too, so the tape is not kind, but again there's a lot to work. Let me bring up a couple of names of guys that you've seen. How about Press Scott? I like Dak Prescott. I do I mean, I again, I don't see an NFL starter. But he's what I think people wanted Tim Tebow to be. I mean he's a better version exactly, but athlete, right, an athlete who you can run. He's a great leader. Uh, you know, holds a ton of

SEC records. I mean, I don't really think he is what people wanted Tim Tebow to be. Uh. Now he needs he needs work. Even though he was you know, a three and a half year starter at Mississippi State. He still needs work. Uh, and he's not an NFL starter from day one, But you know, I don't see an NFL starter down the road. But I do think

he can be a backup in this league. With the name out for both of you guys have seen this guy, Cordel Jones, Ohio State May I made my opinions on him pretty well, felt I think last week I'm I just no way for you, no get out of here. I love him, He's I don't love him if he actually has to do anything right away, Like I mean, if if Romo breaks his clavical in week three of twenty sixteen, and Cardell Jones is the guy that they turned to, it's probably not going to be pretty. But

he's a freak. He's he's a freak show. He's so athletic, he can shrug off a defensive end like he's a toddler. He's got he's got to have the strongest arm of any quarterback that's in this draft. Could teams fall in love with him over what we've seen from there's no question. I mean they brought all they brought. How many guys

are here? Nine I think he's got enough. I feel like he's got enough holes in his game that it's going to keep anybody and and probably his personality and all that type of stuff too that people are gonna be dissecting. That's gonna keep anybody from falling too much in love with him. But this is the whole. You're drafting a guy who you can who is ready to go and who can take over right away and as

your starter in two or three years. Or are you drafting a guy who's maybe a little bit of a project and you can live with that because you have Tony Romo. I think, I mean that's gonna be That's the balance that's gonna exist for the next few months. To me, I think Cardel Jones, and this was true if he came out last year or this year, his draft stock is all will be built at the combine. That's I mean smart. Yeah, put him on the white board, right?

Does he know? Does he not know? What can he learn? Was he capable of learning? I mean, there's a lot that we have to figure out about Cardel Jones. We see the physical talent, but and people are gonna say he lost money by returning. No, he looks like the exact same quarterback this year that we saw last year. The only difference was he entered this year with expectations, and so because he didn't live up to those expectations,

necessarily people think that he hurt himself. He was eleven or no as a starter, you know, his eleven career starts in college he went undefeated. Story, I mean, how many double how many players quarterbacks at the college level started double digit games and went undefeated, right, there can't be too many, And so I I do think at the end of the day, Cardil Jones be drafted somewhere third fourth round. A team will take a chance on him,

you know, draft and developed that type of player. You talk, where do they pick in the third round, like sixty seven something like that, get me two impact play like impact dudes who are gonna help the team right away in the first two rounds and that project. You sign a veteran guy in free agency who can be the backup and let Cardell be three. Let's let's go like

I'm so. And and also I say that I said this last year and the year before that about Johnny Manziel, Like as a writer, he intrigues me because he would make my job so easy. Came out, well, Tregan came out today. Yeah, Hey, Johnny Manziel or Cardal Jones. I mean I'd rather what train wreck do you want? Don't you think that Cardel Jones has a higher ceiling than I would? I would sure? Yeah, I think that that's

fair to say. There's no doubt that part of my intrigue is because I know how he would be for the business of writing sports stories, no doubt. But I think he's a really talented player too. He is a talented football player anyway, but maybe his stock is going up because of what he became starting to see. Speaking of Johnny Manziel, I mean, Cardell's going to have a big televised Pro day workout with George Whitfield hitting him

with that broom sometimes in the next couple of months. Yeah, He's been working with him as soon as Ohio State. If he does well at that quarter Dame, Well, that's that's where I was saying. His entire draft stock will be built on what he does doing the process. But did you watch Cardell and tape? I did, and we watched him together, watched him. I was gushing and losing my mind and acting like a girl with a crush. And Brian was like, you need to relax. Where realistically

would you feel comfortable drafting Cardell Jones? I think you said fifth? No I didn't. What'd you say? I think I was? I had him in the fourth That's where I had him in the fourth and I and the reason why I the thing that I was really worried about with him is I never ever saw his throwing motion was the same. And and maybe there's a lot of quarterbacks and people out there saying, oh I brought a shut up. You know, there's a lot of quarterbacks

that drop down, do this, do that. But I know I worry about him if things got a little tough and him having to make Okay, I've got to rely on this. I gotta make this throw. Is it gonna be the same or something gonna click where he doesn't quite? Yeah? And that that's it. I think that's what you make the point about the off season and him working with Whitfield, you know, cleaning him up, tightening him up, the footwork on there's no question about the arm strength, the lower

body power, the ability to drive the football. He just flicks it and the ball goes, he throws it with some pace. He's got a little tough, but he never is are it never never kind of get an idea where he's gonna where that launch point is gonna be for his ball, and maybe he's a little bit you know, there's quarterbacks in this league. The guy that's gonna play in the super Bowl for Carolina is a launch is

a different launch point player. He's gonna win a NFL MVP in about nine days and he only completed fifty eight or fifty nine percent of his passes. So yeah, I mean it's, uh, there are better quarterbacks obviously in this draft class, but he's the most intriguing one. Have any more of these questions? Yeah, yeah, Not to get sidetracked. This one was interesting to me because this guy joined

us late. But Chris wants to know about DJ Foster, the Arizona State running back who joined the North team. Thoughts impressions. He's kind of, uh in the North version of Kenyan Drake. You know, he's yeah, he's not really a running back, not really a receiver. He's kind of a hybrid version of both. He's at his best when he can catch the ball of the backfield. Uh, is

he just a crazy runner? Yeah, when you when you watch my tape, because that's what Drake is, right, Drake is not as crazy, but he's not also not as fast, right, So he drove the foster, dropped a few passes today, you know, is a is a rough first practice for him. So we'll see what he does tomorrow, how he can answer and you know, show some improvement. I got you, Okay, Dave, one more question. We got to take a break. AJ wants to know we've touched on him. But Jordan Jenkins,

the tweener from Georgia has been flashing some stuff again. Thoughts. There was a few good uh Georgia Georgia battles. Yeah, theis number seventy one, sure, and I think Jenkins won for the most part of those battles because he plays he comes off the line of scrimmage low and so he's able to extend his arms and you get into the attack the body of blockers and move them. He's you know, he's able to dictate where the blocker's gonna go.

And so I still like him best in a three to four where he can stand up and move around a little bit. But you know, he showed me some things today as a defensive end, hand on the ground, you know, just getting up field quickly attacking blocks. I'm not sure he's gonna be a guy consistently gonna win with speed around the edge. But I did like what I saw from today. Yeah, I tell you what, Dane just gave you a great thumbnail because I'd proud my notes are similar. I thought, this guy can really get

some push. He lowers his head, he can extend on blockers, he can have avoid blocks. He's got some pop at the point of attack, which I really like. Tackles in space. He's aware, he doesn't get fool you talk about playing outside some of the things that they have to deal with. Gets up the field, act he finds the football. He could overpower blockers. I mean, I'm talking about the running backs. He could just flat get it, squeeze the hole when he plays on the end and gets off the ground,

can avoid low blocks. So yeah, he's he plays all over the place in George's scheme, and someone's gonna find a spot because again, he has size, he's got ability, He's got that ability to play with power, and I think that's where a lot of guys. A lot of teams are looking for that edge type of players. Talk about length. Thirty four inch arms, yeah, eleven inch hands. I mean that's that's the type of length. That's Catcher Smiths right there. Okay, thank you for everybody for the

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go digital. We're just fourteen ninety nine a year through our freestar magazine app called one seven seven NFC Boys Today, this is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft shows back here in Mobile, Alabama at the Senior Bowl. UH, finishing up Day two of the Senior Bowl. Conversations we've had, We've covered a lot of topics, a lot of players. We've been very kind to some, we've been very unkind to others. But that's what you're gonna get on the

Draft show. You're gonna get an honest opinion. We try it to sugarcoat anything if there's something and hey, we're here to admit if we're wrong too. Yeah, you can reach out. I mean, there's there's a lot of guys right now that are sitting there eating dinner talking about these players, and they're thinking, boy, I was really wrong about that guy, or I was really right about that Galla.

Every time we get on here, I think back to the last spring, like there's footage out out there of me somewhere, just dog and Randy Gregory like no, don't do it. No, Yeah. And then at training camp I felt like the biggest idiot in the world because he's just blowing past Tyran. And then at the end of the season, I was like, h feel about feel so bad about him. So just a just a couple of programming notes for tomorrow, we lose, we're gonna go at

the same time. We'll be at six thirty Central time tomorrow. We're gonna lose. Dane will not have Yeah, we will not have Dane, but we will have Jeff Cavanaugh and Kevin Turner. From one to five three the fan. They're here at the Senior Bowl with us. Uh. These are guys that together we've done about one hundred and fifteen players and they do a nice job of learning about the draft. So we'll get into We'll have another draft show for you tomorrow, but just a little bit different.

Crew day will be here, but we'll be rotating some guys in and out and uh, but that tomorrow will be our last day. We have no show on Friday. We'll go back to normal shows on Friday the following week and uh, but stay tuned at the draft show again if you need to follow that. We'll put out information when shows are information anything you need to know about the draft and what we're gonna do. So before we close this thing out, we talked about some good some bad today and I always like to go, what

are you looking for tomorrow? What? What what sets up in your mind? You know, is there something different we're gonna see from the receivers? Braxton Miller is something different from him? Day? The quarterbacks, we kind of were railing on them a little bit. Defensive line, Danie been for offensive line. We you know, what what do you see? This is gonna be this is gonna be really the third practice for these guys, and they're getting ready for

a Saturday game, which Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We'll be here to cover Dave, myself and Kik Garrison will be here to cover it before. We're gonna treat it just like a game and have a twelve thoughts and things. But just tomorrow, what are you what are you kind of thinking about on a on a Thursday practice. I want to see, you know, we talked about him, Alapa, Carson Wentz, Braxon Miller. I want to see how they continue to show Do they continue to show improvement? Do

they take the coaching that's been given to them? Uh, you know we talked about you know, the Cowboys coach is telling Braxton, you know, at the top of your route, don't be so chaotic, don't you know, take you too many steps? Okay, So let's see Braxon Miller tomorrow when he's you know, when one on one drills. How does he do at the top of his routes. Is he being a little more clean with his footwork? Is he really putting the time in taking that coaching and making

the necessary adjustments. Now, it's not an easy thing to do so It's not like, you know, he's a he's a bad player if he doesn't make those adjustments tomorrow. But can he do it? Can he make those quick adjustments? We'll have to see and then, you know, Carson Wentz the bell of the ball, what we see from him tomorrow? I thought, you know, last two days have been good, can still show improvement on day three, So eager to see what he has for us. Dave no knock at

all on Carson Wentz. I mean, I mean, he's he's like fifty percent of the reason and we're all here in the first place. But I feel like I have a very good grasp on all of the North quarterbacks. I feel like I haven't watched a lick of the South guys. I had not missing much for set dak Um specifically, I want to see those two, which it's disappointing to me that they're not doing better, but I still I want to check them out and see what

they're all. Brandon Brandon Allen's another guy, which, uh, dude, throw the ball, stop talking like, don't like this isn't a real game. Don't run you know. I hate that he did it like four times today on that too. Yeah, like just throw the ball. That's what we want to see anyway, So I want to watch those guys a little bit more. And uh, and you know, I'll have an eye on Wins because he's Yeah, tomorrow, tomorrow, what

we'll do is we'll have in the morning. And by the way, the North team practices at nine thirty, so we're back on a normal schedule. And uh, we're gonna show you a little bit tomorrow of some one on ones. We've been talking about some of these rushers. We're talking about Austin Johnson, We're talking about uh, you know Spence, guys like that. So you know, we're gonna give you a little bit of any well, he's on the south

excuse me, ba ya ya the tackle exactly. So we'll give you a little bit of one on one with the offense and defensive line tomorrow from the North team, just to just to show you what these guys can do. I'm interested tomorrow and and ken these defensive backs, especially on the North side, can they continue the momentum that they had today? And I thought that, uh that they as a group played very well. You know, I liked what I saw from the corners I like, I want

to see some more of Kennidy. I want to see him played in some safety tomorrow. If they're if they're gonna move some guys around just to get some looks, I'm all for that. I think that's the great thing about scouting is when you in your mind you have a projection, like man, that guy Fuller from Virginia Tech, I would like to see him play safety, the older Fuller, the one that came out. He's the Bears, the fourth

he'll be the fourth Fuller brother to be drafted. Holy cow, the Virginia Tech guys, all Virginia Tech guys and mom and dad, you know, congratulations on the two of them in the league right now. Damn yeah. But but I'm interested to see if they can keep the momentum going or we will see some adjustments from the wide receivers. Will will some guys step up and make some play. We talk about Peyton, the UCLA kid, Burbridge, you know those guys. I mean, they're gonna be watching that tape

tonight and they got their rears kicked pretty well. And so and I know knowing Derek Dooley, like we we know Derek Dooley he's not going to stand for that. So I'm just interested to see if we see a different group of wide receivers. We we don't seem to be too excited about Chris Moore from Cincinnati, a guy we haven't talked about much, but I thought he's been okay.

I mean, he doesn't have the name, you know, the notoriety, but I do think Chris Moore has done okay as one of these receivers on the North squad, so um, you know, I think he can continue to help himself as you know, who's the best receiver besides Braxton Miller on this North squad. Yeah, it's it's gonna be funny because I believe there's gonna be some guys that probably didn't practice very well all week, and all of a sudden we get to the game and it's like, huh,

where did that come up? And maybe we were laughing at thet during the break about Kevin Hogan, you know, in the big wind up and all that crazy stuff, and maybe Kevin Hogan's a gamer. You know, that's say this guy somebody at some local TV guy was interviewing Mike Mayock after practice and was like, you know what when does it hit these guys like is it the first practice, the first meeting that like you know this

is this is the real deal. But in Mayok's like if they didn't know that when they got off the plane, they're in deep crap. So yeah, well, and I think one thing we also have to remember too is you know, these practices are great, a great chance to you know, see these players up up close and personal. But all these players have three four years of tape out there, right, and so I think that's more of the resume than this week. Now, this week's very important, but so is

the tape. So it's not like one cancels out the other. So even if players haven't a so so week and not so great week, you know, strong tape can still help you. Well, there's back in the day and that I go way back in the day was when Al Davis was was alive and running the Raiders. He would draft guys off Senior Bowl. I mean that that they were if you were like a star, Yeah, combine Senior Bowl. If you were a star in those games, al Davis was likely to be drafting you. So it's funny I

ran into Reggie Mackenzie today. The gym for the Yeah Bolger kid and you have to be careful brothers. Yeah, luck Yeah, but it ran into old hogshead cheese and I told him, I said, I said, hey, I said, uh, you know, you know the old man he would be taking. I started naming off all these guys. He's like, yeah, he sure would have. So yeah, it said. It is important.

It's one of the it's part of the tool. And again I applaud all the kids that are here playing in this because either either good bad, they are getting the exposure that has allowing us to talk about it. And one thing I remember too, this is the last time we will see these players in pads. Right before the draft, before the draft, the combine pro days, we

will not see any of these players and past. That's why I love and that's why it's important, and that's why you know, tomorrow, you know, we need to pay attention to the last time we'll see these guys and pads the rest of the way. Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, Well that will do it for the Draft show. Thanks again for all you folks out there that to watch us, whether you watch us live or watch us later when you're working out, or podcast whatever you do. We do

appreciate it, We really really do. And uh, I want to thank Dave David Hellman for all his work this week so far, and then Dame Burglar for his expertise. I'm Brian Brass for Kent Garrison Executive Proves. Thanks again for joining us. We will see you tomorrow night, six thirty. Make sure you're falling along on Dallas Cowboys dot com. We've got some really good videos up. Jerry Jones talked a little bit about the draft today, checked it out, but make sure you go to the site, check all

that workout. Makes sure you go to see us and taking someone look at Dane's work as well. So again for the crew, we'll see you tomorrow night. Thank you,