Draft Show: LIVE From 2016 NFL Combine - Day 4

NFL Combine. We are all alone in this build. We are all alone in this building, and it's the Draft Show and I'm Brian brought us along with David Hellman, my scouting buddy's Jeff cavan Off from one oh five three The Fan, and my other buddy Kevin Turner from one oh five three The Fan. Guys, welcome back. I know we missed you guys for a couple of days. Dan Turner did a nice job of filling in working with the Dame Burglar and David and myself, so it's

good to have you back on the program. Man, Thanks for having us. Man, I know Dan's a monster and people might miss him a little bit, but good to be here. And it's been a fun week. Yeah, it has been a good week. And today it's always interesting at the combine when you have the quarterbacks throw and with the fact that the Dallas Cowboys are a team that a lot of people are putting a quarterback with.

Jerry Jones had an opportunity to visit with the media today on the Cowboy Bush, and we're gonna get into what he said specifically about a quarterback and what that might entail for this football team. But I want to ask you guys though, of the quarterbacks that work today.

You know, and we don't have to limit it to just the major three if you don't want to, But I want to ask you guys though, of the quarterbacks you thought coming in and what you've seen on tape and how they you know, how did you feel like that they worked out? And Jeff, I'll start with you on this on this because you've always been a Jared Golf fan. You are, You're big on the idea of the Cowboys. If he's there at four potentially taking him,

what did you see from him today? I thought it was a continuation of what I've seen from Jared Golf. I mean, this week it became a big deal that his hand is nine inches from pinky to thumb. But you watch him throw, and you watch him throw in this environment, you watch him throw on tape, you watch him throw anywhere you want. The accuracy that that guy throws the football with is it's great. It's great short,

it's great, intermediate, it's great deep. I don't I don't care how big the hand is, how small the hand is. I thought, again, he looked good today. Not perfect. There were a couple of deep balls, but I think you take any quarterback in this setting, and if he misses a couple, it makes sense because he doesn't know these guys. He's thrown the guys for the first time. All of these quarterbacks missed some right, But on the whole I thought, I thought, he spun it really well, and he looks

like the guy that I think he is. I thought. One consistent thing, and again I love goff It too. Sure. The one consistent thing that you saw is Golf was the one who was throwing the ball before the receivers had even made their break, right. He was the one with the anticipation and kind of leading them out there while some of the other guys were kind of waiting. And I know, again, like Jeff said, you're not real

secure with these guys that you don't know. But I thought golf was very good at right before they would break it, he had the ball there where it needed to be and was very accurate. And a couple of guys I'd like to talk about, and we've talked about these guys a lot, as Connor Cook and Christian Hackenburg. It was accuracy issues with them sure, all over the place.

And there were some times where they kind of hurt through wide receivers and some wide receiver drills were they would need to put the ball on the money and they didn't do it and give these receivers a chance to show what they've got on some of their routes. So I thought, overall though, the most consistent guy the day to me was Jared Goff. Yeah, I thought Carson

Wentz was actually thought was good too. And I'll get and I'll tell you what I'm to bring you in here a second because because I will say this though Carson Wentz to me and I in my quarterback ranking, he is third in my grouping. But I will tell you this about what I saw from Carson Wentz today that I didn't see with the other two quarterbacks or the other two quarterbacks that we were just mentioned. He

looks more comfortable right now with the drop mechanics. He looks more comfortable feet, he looks more comfortable take snap, get back, plant and throw. He's the one that's done it. Then the other guys, and I think the other guys will catch up to him. I do believe that we see the pro days and when we go to the kal and the Memphis and you know, back up to North Dakota State and all that, I think that you

will see the other quarterbacks catch up. But if you talk, if you ask me which of the quarterbacks through the ball the best today of the of the big three, I would say Carson Wentz was that guy for me. And I just felt like though the mechanics all that kind of came together for him and the other guys and guys Paxton Lynch and and and Paxton. I think he understands what he has to do. He's a tall guy, he's a long guy. He understands what he has to do as far as working on his mechanics with the

footwork and all. And he looked tentative today in that regard. Especially early. I felt like though the throws that he made better at the end were the ones that were down the field, the ones where he had to he had to throw with some with some some touch, with some arc, you know, and fit the ball right down

on the field there. But he looks slower to me because he maybe he was thinking and I think maybe golf a little bit the same way as okay, one, two, three, four throw, you know, and where where where Witz looked a little bit more comfortable in that setting. And that's it, you know, That's that's the offense that Carson Wentz has run. He's he's been taking those drops his entire college career. And I thought with Paxton Lynch it sort of goes too.

There's no denying the talent or the athleticism, Like you watched Carson Wentzon Paxston Lynch run forties and then you apply athleticism to that, right, and I don't think it does him justice. I think they move better than that while they're playing football. And with Lynch, you know, he said, I didn't really throw the ball in high school, right,

I didn't take drops in college. Ye. So what you're looking at is a guy that has tons of talent in that arm and a lot of athleticism in that body, which means as he comes along, hopefully he's a guy you don't have to force out there really quickly. But as far as a ceiling, I see what you see with his ceiling because of how good the tools are. But as far as hey go out there and run my NFL offense, it's just like, I don't know, that's

a fair point. And again I just felt like though that I and I really don't I really didn't want to like WinCE Oh, but today, you know, he did what he had to do. He looked far more comfortable throwing the football with the mechanics to drop mechanics and Steve and that's what some of these guys are gonna have to do. Okay, I'm gonna bring you in on this because you guys were all on the bus. But I want Dave to talk about this because he's written

about it for Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Is the fact you got to meet with Jerry Jones and we were talking about guys that are potentially could be the fourth overall pick in this draft if available, though, but Jerry, you felt like, did Jerry really slammed the door on any potential quarterback? At fourth slamming the door is harsh because he did. I mean, he sat there and he said, you know, he talked about, you know, beating this to death. But the Aaron Rodgers situation in Green Bay, and you know,

you have to consider things like that. The same thing Stephen Jones said earlier this week, which I mean, you know, if you have an opportunity to draft the franchise guy, it's something that you have to consider, obviously, But he went, you know what, I have a transcribe right here, I'll

read you a piece of this. Yeah, Jerry Jones today said it's the one unequivocal fact that you can count on relative to the preparation for this draft and the Cowboys on draft Day is that I Jerry Jones am planning on Tony Romo being the quarterback for the next four or five years. That is a fact. And you won't see a decision on draft Day that will fly in the face of that fact. So and Grant, I mean, hey,

the Cowboys need a backup quarterback. So I mean, you're not saying that drafting a guy at four it helps this team. It does help this team, even if he doesn't play. It helps this team. But that's a strong statement about you know, in the eternal argument of do you worry about the future or don't worry about right now, it sounds like Jerry Jones cares more about right now. To me, that's what I'm reading. He didn't like my

slamming the door at four. I mean, he talked a lot about the other side of it, and I mean he he also said he straight up said, I don't know who we're going to pick, and I mean even if even if he did, he wouldn't say sure. But so it's not like he said, there's no way in hell we're drafting a quarterback. But he certainly made it sound like he's far more interested in getting immediate help.

He was even joking about how, you know, Tony Romo would probably give up money for a guarantee that he's going to get some defensive help on the defensive side of the ball. And he had some other really telling comments just about you know, he feels far better about what they can do to make the offense better going forward than I mean, there is a big uphill climb to fix this defense going forward and fixing the pass rush. And it sounds like he's well aware of that fact.

So you know, as always, they don't say things on the record in playing language, you kind of have to read between the lines, and if you do that, it is my opinion that I don't really think they'll take a quarterback at four, all right, Kat, that's kind of my gut at least. Okay, Kat, though, if if I'm not going to take a quarterback potentially at four, who were some of the other guys today that you know? I mean, you've seen all the tape on a lot

of these quarterbacks, though. Was there anybody that jumped out at you today that you kind of felt like, you know what he showed me a little more than what the tape, or hey, you know what, he's right what I saw on the tape. Well, typically, the way I feel about this is, if you're gonna get your quarterbacks in the league, you do get them in the first round. Sure.

I mean there's a you know, a twenty twenty one of the quarterbacks in the league or first round guys, And it's been like that for years where a majority of the league you get your quarterbacks in the first round. Now, it doesn't sound too shocking or anything, so I don't necessarily want to take a quarterback later in the draft. I mean, I want one of the guys that I would like, preferably golf or winch or went or whatever.

But if you had to go deeper in the draft, you know, Dak Prescott, maybe there would be a guy that like a little bit. And then Hackenburg. I like Hackerburg. I know he had a very inconsistent day today, Yeah, but he is he is my you know, fifth fourth favorite quarterback, and he's a guy who I just feel like there's something there. And I know the tape has been terrible or very inconsistent the last couple of years.

Yeah at times, but at times he would make a Sunday throw when you sit there and go, what is that? I need to see what that is? Right, And there's enough to pique my interests, and I'm okay with them, uh pulling the trigger, you know on a quarterback. The problem is about the time I want to cut that off. Is about Prescott and Hackenburg, which are my fourth and

fifth quarterbacks. And I don't know if that you know, get I don't think that happens after pick one hundred, you know, after you pick in the third round in the fourth round at ninety eight, or after you pick in the third round at sixty seven, you may not have a chance to get one of those guys. I don't want to take a quarterback just to take a quarterback, know what? And I completely agree with you way man, you can argue Cardinal Jones. Maybe here I mean, and

he unfortunately pulled the hamstrings. He did. He pulled his hamstring on his second forty to day. He didn't get to throw March eleventh, Ohio States Pro Day, Big day for old twelve gage. But maybe he shouldn't have ran. Like we know he can run. All he needed to do is throw. I mean, all right, I'm the only person among our entire contingent that likes him even a little bit. That's okay. I like Paxton Lynch. Nobody else does,

so don't worry about that, Paxton Lynch. If you're in the top of the third round and he's staring in the face, that's a different disc Be real with me. You don't like Cardell Jones, but do you think he'll be their past pick ninety eight based on the value of the position and the talent alone, that's even an option. I'm looking more. I was trying to and Jeff, I'll jump in here on this, on these on the on the packs and obviously on the Press Scott's and guys

like that. I thought, again, and you always give me a lot of grief for this, but I thought Byron Allen threw the ball well to day, Brandon all excuse me, uh, Byron Jones exactly, Brandon Alan threw the ball well today, and and him and Press Scott both and and and and Jacoby Brissett. You know, it was another guy that I thought through the ball well today. You know, it

was about Jeff Driscoll. I didn't think so. I do like Jacoby a lot, threw it pretty well at the Senior Bowl, and then today goes out there and he's running four fives and jumping ten feet. I think. I think Jeff Driscoll keeps doing different things to make you kind of go, uh maybe, but but do you have him in that range where you would take him like it sixty seven or something like that if it need be. I only have four quarterbacks in the top three rounds

for me, and that's golf. That's Wentz, it's Paxton Lynch, and it's Christian Hackenburg. So those are your four guys. So for me and I get it, like, and I think you're right with the Brandon Allen name, which will drive draft Twitter crazy because his hands smaller than golfs, you can't possibly be good at football. But you know, if you watch the Arkansas game, I mean you watch him play, you watch the Senior Bowl, he comes out

here to come on, I thought he threw the ball. Well, I mean I didn't have a I didn't have a problem with the way through the football today. So and I'm not and it's not in Arkansas love with me because I'm not a big Arkansas fan. I don't. I don't. I'm a fan of the player because I think the guy can play, you know, I just like I said, I mean, if you're where do you put him right now? On my board? I had I'm developing a theory. That's why I ask I've got him in the third round. See,

and where do you have Jones? Just out of curiosity? And Jones I have in the fourth round? Okay, And that's my point and that's why I was agreeing with kat I did. I mean, I pick one hundred is my cutoff for where you're going to get a quarterback that's worth taking as far as I'm concerned, I mean, I don't know if they don't. If they don't take one by the third round, you're not drafting one at all.

Maybe the fourth. Yeah, they have the ninety eighth overall pick, I'd be fine with that, But I'm I mean, once you're getting past that, I'm just not sure. Think it's a really good point because you look around. You look around the NFL and the guys who didn't step in and start but kind of made it, or even did step in and start that weren't the first rounders. You're talking about Breeze, you're talking about Russell Wilson, you're talking about Kirk Cousins. What was he a third or fourth?

Because he was a four round Okay, so it's possible. But of the number of people picked in the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round, like, okay, you go find Tom Brady in the sixth round three time, and I found a quarterback in the sixth and one time in the history of ever you found an undrafted free agent, right, which means there were hundreds that that busted. So your percentage is down there, it's one percent. You know, where's up at

the top. You got a shot. You can talk me into the I mean Russell Wilson, you, I mean, that's one of the best quarterbacks in the round. Pick I just the numbers drop off so significantly once you get past the third or fourth round though, and there's a couple of things. You better know for sure that he's better than Kellen Moore if you're taking him, Well, it sounds like, Jerry, you were on the bus side, Jerry was comfortable with Kellen Moore. He's like, he's comfortable with

Kellen Moore. Is his number two quarterback. That's what it sounded like. I don't know if I read it. I don't know if I read it completely. That we look at the positives, but you obviously can't do a lot of the negatives that he did. And he didn't bring up his turnover, so that's still in his head. So he's still seen all the bad plays that Kellen Moore had. He's remembering that. But I just I feel like, like we talk about this all the time, Well, you can't

take quarterback at four. We gotta get Romos some help, and we gotta we gotta get Well, you can't do that at sixty seven, then you gotta keep getting Romo help. Then we're gonna take your quarterback. Let's try to take the best one. Otherwise, let's not do it. See that's why I don't see why he slammed the door like that at four. Yeah, because again they might like they might like golf for lunch or you know, well, it's also smokescreen. I mean, I don't take everything with a

big old grain of salt. Did you always feel like that. Jerry's pretty honest with his assessment of when we talk to him. Yeah, yeah, but this time of year you can't be totally honest and kind. He kind of prefaced his entire conversation with listen at this time of year talking about free agency and draft strategy. I can't really get into it right. And then he went into draft strategy as he's telling you he thinks Romo is going

to play four or five years. Okay, we got through those quarterbacks a little bit, though, talk about a little

bit some of the wide receivers. You know, there are a lot of folks out there that are trying to figure out know that we're trying to figure out these wide receivers and where they exactly go whether that's uh, you know, like myself with the dots, and then Lawyer Lawler and and uh and uh Braxton Miller Fuller, those kind of guys talk about what you thought today and how the receivers worked, and it is anybody that really

jumped out at you today in the workouts. You made fun of me a couple hours ago because I said, I think Will Fuller's working his way toward the first round, and I don't think that's crazy. I didn't say I was making fun of you. I haven't because I have been the Siban's second round myself. But I said first round. And I'm pretty sure you said like I'm gonna kick you off the show. You're stupid. I'm pretty sure I say that. I thought there was somebody else I said

that for. I don't know, maybe it was Yeah, that was me. I think either way, I Will Fuller, how could you not be blown away by what he's done here? I mean, okay, Jeff, tell what's wrong with Will Fuller? What's wrong with Will Well? I'll tell you what. And I think that's why I don't know if I would say first round. I guess it all depends how many receivers are going to go in the first round. When I say first round, I'm talking mid to mid twenties to third. Oh no, I'm just saying, okay, I'm still

a first round. I'm saying it depends how many wide receivers go. Because the biggest knock that I would have for you on Will Fuller, he did a great job of not doing that at all today. He was great today. He did a great job with his hands today, and that was the biggest thing for will Fuller. We knew he was going to run a four three. Absolutely, no,

he's fast. We know he's quick. We know that he's a body catcher, right and then today when you run the gauntlet, when you run these drills, you can tell that the one thing he's been working on is let me show these teams I can catch the ball with my hands. And he went out there and I thought he did it well today. I don't know how much you can be convinced in shorts with nobody covering you, when somebody's catching with their hands that they've changed as

a football player. But I thought he did as good as he could have done in terms of helping his stock. Josh Doson is the guy that I think, Yeah, I think he's in the first round, and I would bet on it. I think he's a first rounder now right Because he jumped him, Michael Thompson or Thomas, Michael Thomas from Ohio state your brains. I think that. I think that's a flavor pick. I think that's that's one hundred percent of flavor pick. What do you want your receiver

to do? Because Michael Thomas ran at four or five eight, Josh Dockson ran faster, he jumped higher. His tape, he makes more acrobatic catches. Michael Thomas is a six foot three guy who's also going to run routes to get separation. Dockson, we don't really know on his ability to run a bunch of routs. Yeah, Michael Thomas, we do so for me. Josh Doson, when you combine his tape with now what I know is measurable. I compare him to what Alan

Robinson is doing in Jacksonville. O. Kat will tell you though he has trouble against the press coverage something he does when he's when the contested the contested line place. But the things that that he does that are really good are very appealing when he throw in some of the things that we learned today. Watched him. The broad jump was I think ten. I mean it was amazing, big vertical he wins. You're in the red zone and you're telling me you've got Dez on one side and

Josh Doxon on the other. We'll score every time. And that's the things that he does. Well, Okay, let me ask the panel this question. Then, were you more impressed with what Dotson did today or what Braxton Miller didn't do? Yeah? That was I mean I thought everyone was Everyone was a little slow today, you know, but yeah, I thought I thought Braxton would have been in the four four territories. Sure.

I'm sitting there and watching uh wow, he's uh it was his chance to kind of separate himself, and I thought so too at people in the second and third round. I'm sitting there going, well, hell, Tyler Boyd might be as fast as Braxton Miller. Now it's what it looks like the way he's going in Tyler board round of four six or something like that. But Tyler Boyd is a is a good wide receiver, runs good rounds, catches

the ball. Well, there aren't as many questions about his game, as there are with Braxton Miller due to his experience at the position. Him running a four or five I thought was uh not. It was not something that was savory at all. I thought it was. It was kind of unexpected. I'm gonna go ahead. If it wouldn't sound so bad on the mic, I'd make like a big fart noise for Braxton Miller. Could I mean down today?

All that hype in I mean the Senior Bowl he was probably we all talked about it was the first round receiver. He was amazing at the Senior Bowl. We're like, this guy could be working his way toward the first round. He said it himself on Wednesday. I believe I'm no doubt I'm a first rounder. Surprisingly slow. I just honest, five three who run faster at Ohio State, I believe. Granted, I recognize that a four or five. Calling a four

or five slow is stupid. Somebody who find me somebody who runs a four or five three, who runs the forty fifty times and it's always four or five three, Line him up against Braxton Miller, and I'll put my money on Braxton Miller every day of the week. Okay, you're still you're still bullish on Braxton Miller. I think that the one drill where because I was looking through his times trying to find, okay, where did it show up?

You look at the sixty yard shuttle and he dominated yet a combination of speed and changing direction again he dominated it. Yeah, that dude's athleticism. I have no doubts. I watched him compete against guys at the Senior Bowl. Do you think he's a first rounder? I think someone might take that chance. I wouldn't because I think there's enough questions I think, And yeah, Braxon Miller's perfectly fine. He's a good player. It's not so much that he's bad.

It's just the hype really that he didn't meet the expectations and he set them for himself too, which I did. So it's not like, you know, if it's you could be like, well, it's not the kid's fault, but like he embraced all those expectations and he didn't meet up. Let's let me ask you, but before we have to go to break here, how about Sterling Shepherd Today? Great day for Oklahoma. I thought he had a great day. I believe his official time ended up being four four eight, right,

that's outstanding for a guy of his size. Agility drills, when he does them at his pro day, they're gonna be great because on tape that's what he does right on tape, that's what that guy is. He's quickness, he's he's instant burst in acceleration. He plucks the ball so easily. To me, size is his only limitation. But I think with his size and the weights, okay, and the shiftiness, I think that's a second round kind of player that

I can line up outside and I feel good. Okay, that's what I was gonna ask you, Kki, you feel like he could play outside? I do, I really do. And then we're selling up for the Senior Bowl too. That it was really impressive, and yeah, I do want to throw out another name too. And he didn't run the forty and on that, but Treadwell well with it the gauntlet, did everything you said. Okay, that looks really good,

right there. Jumps were bad. Lord Dreadwell's jumps were bad in terms of if you're looking for the guy who's gonna put up Josh Docks and combine numbers. But but I tweeted this one out and I believe this. We can go through a combine with Lakwan Treadwell against whoever your super athletic favorite guy is, and your guy might beat Lakwan Treadwell. When we put on pads and play football. I'll take Lakwan Treadwell and he's gonna take the ball

off the top of your head. Yeah. Second, I second thought. That's a great call right there. Okay, we're gonna be right back here from Lucas Oil Stadium. You are listening to the Draft Show. We're gonna take some Twitter questions here. I've got a really good hypothetical for y'all when we get back. And when we get back, we'll talk about that hypothetical. Stay tuned. Yeah. Introducing AT and T rollover data. You're unused planned data automatically rolls over for one month.

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really enjoyed our time here in Indianapolis. Enjoyed all the interaction we've had with the players in here and getting to learn these guys, matching the film with the personalities and stuff. We've seen a lot of great guys and look forward to working on this draft some more. This is a it's a really really stressful busy week. Yeah, but it's so much fun. Like it might be the most fun thing that we do other than probably watched

the sixteen regular season games. But it's a blast. I enjoyed this tiny year because again, when you get to when you get to watch the tape and then you get to physically go up and talk to the players and ask them questions and again, like I said, see the personalities that they have, and hopefully that the you know, the ones that uh you know that you get to draft you have a little bit more interaction with him.

So that'll be cool. So um, like I said, this is our last show and then we'll be back at our normal time next Friday at eleven am getting into some pro days and things like that that are coming up now that the combines. So we're so with all that being said, we like to interact with you. We do it so through Twitter at the draft show. If your questions, uh, fire him to Dave that way. And again I always thank ed k Hill for this segment. So let's do a little Twitter on the twenty Dave,

you got it twenty all right? This is I mean, we're dealing so far in the world of hypotheticals, but who cares. It's Saturday Night. Uh, friend of the show Landing. Okay, he wants to know he is good people. Uh, he wants to know. If you're presented with these three options, do you a trade back three spots in the first round, pick up a second round pick, and draft Ezekiel Elliott? Oh, we get a two for that. Okay, you're I mean

you're calling the shots in the top five. B Do you take Jalen Ramsey at four or see your quarterback of choice at four? Oh? I take my quarterback of choice because Jared Goff. Yeah, And I get it. Like these answers are different for different people. And I love interacting with people about the draft on Twitter, and everybody has a different opinion. Mine is what it is about Jared Golf. I think he's a future franchise quarterback unless

Cleveland breaks his will to play sports. Okay, can I take our Can I take the one scenario out of there? Can you take the last scenario out about having your own quarterback and answer the other two rams? Why are you taking it out? Well, just because I think we would all take our quarterback. I know I would. I don't know about that. I think I think I a appeals to me a lot. I like, Yeah, I mean

I don't love any of these quarterbacks. I mean I like, I like golf the most, sure, but I'm not sure I love under that scenario though, I you know, I would I would take my quarterback. I would take my beastly franchise or running back and two more opportunities to add impact players in the top forty. But this for this team, for this team, for this team, they need

to take the quarterback. Yeah, the team do. Their owner just said that he's gonna that Romo is gonna play for which is weird because I asked him because I said, I said, to the years after Aikman and before Romo affect what you think in terms of when you need

to have a quarterback ready. But then everything that he said afterwards totally ignored that that period of time happened, and it's there, and it's like, you're not going to be back here to pretend that you're going to pick a guy in the fifth round and develop him and you're gonna punk him in there right after Romo's gone. It's crazy talk, Anthony right, Clint Sterner, Ryan right now, and enjoy it, Kayte, what would you do? I would. Okay, so we're taking out the quarterback, go ahead and take

the quarterback. Yeah, I'll take the quarterback. I'll take golf at four. But say that doesn't happen, Say golfs off the board, and I don't like anyone else at four, I would do the trade back thing. And the reason why you're telling me that I'm trading back and I'm getting a second, Yeah, I'm gonna use that other second to get a really good player, because there is such a good pack. I mean after that top six or seven players, maybe six players, seven players, there's such a

good pack right right there, receiver. Maybe it's a defensive tackle. I feel like I can get one. At thirty four. We'll draw it. Let's draw out the picture, because just for fun, if you're telling me that let's let's remove the quarterback, we've established what we do if he's there, right, No, but we've established what we would do. Y'all have established what you would do. I'm sticking to my guns. I think that's just me. I'm not in love with these

quarterbacks anyway. Go ahead, you're getting voted here, that's fair. But I'm saying to create the hypothetical again Okay, after eliminating that we've already done that one. Okay, now it's Jalen Ramsey at four, or you have an opportunity to go back three spots, get Zeke and added two. I always want more picks, I mean, and that's just the way I'm wired. I don't know, plus I of Zeke, so in this draft, I think that's great if you said that, if you if you gave me that scenario,

I would take the pick and go back. I would. I would. I would take the pick, go back and take Zeke. I would too, because especially because what that number two is in this draft, and maybe we don't know who's there and who's not sure, but maybe that extra pick is a Sterling Shepherd at wide receiver. Maybe it's a Ronald Blair at defensive end. Maybe it's one of these defensive tackles. And you're so then you're saying, do you want Zeke and another starter or do you

want Jalen Ramsey? Yeah? How many did Zeke? I mean? How many did Ronald thirty two on the bench led all defensive lineman at two hundred and eighty two pounds. Impressive, America. If you don't know Ronald Blair, get to know him. Yeah, it's gonna happen about Oh, I had it right here. Hang on, I gotta pull it back up. That's Twitter a lot coming in. Okay, Okay, Chad wants to know. Uh, can y'all give him a player comparison for Leon Leonte Carew,

who was at the Senior Bowl. You know what? He Actually he ran faster than I thought he wouldn't have five. He doesn't necessarily play that fast on tape. Sure. I am not incredibly high on Leonte Carew. I've got him in the fourth round. Yeah, but I thought he had a good day to day. Actually, I thought when he went to the Gauntlet, I thought he looked up pretty smooth. And you know I coming up with the comparison of him is very tough to do on Dane's gotta be there,

comparison guy, you got this? Um, I need a guy that's not real tall, but he's a good route runner, he's a strong player, does have a history. Yeah, I was trying to think of man I could because I'm with Kat, I'm I'm I don't have him as we could have done this. We could have done this on Wednesday. I just think it's it's too we're two burned out. No, no, you can. But I mean again, I tend to tend to try and compare guys that I really like exactly,

you know what I'm saying. I mean and nothing. And again, if you're a Rutgers fan, hey, you know, God bless you. That's great. And he did he did, like Hughes he's talking about, though he worked out better than I thought he would. Yeah, he really did. And so you know, yeah,

I would. I would like to think that, uh, you know, because I'm always trying to sell guys, and so I have to come up with a guy to sell and I don't have a guy to sell with him, all right, And I've been trying to get to this all week and there hasn't been a good opportunity. But Eddie wants to know. Are we ignoring tight ends too much? I feel like Cowboys fans don't want to hear about tight end, especially after the way their last big tight end pick went.

But that guy, I'll tell you what, if you want to tight end to succeed, have him leaved out. Leaved out absolutely, But well, I mean James Hannah might do just that in three weeks and Gavin Escobar doesn't look likely to be playing anytime soon. I can tell you personally, I am ignoring the tight end position. And we've watched tape on four or five guys, right, But I can tell you it's never anything I'm excited about or thinking

a lot about. And I probably should because I think Hunter Henry would be exciting for a team if you're gonna use him like a Jimmy Graham kind of guy, Hunter Henry from Arkansas, because in terms of getting down the field and catching the ball, he's really really good. But I know if you put a tight end here, he's going to be lined up on the line of scrimmage. They're gonna ask him to block. Yeah, and Hunter Henry's gonna get every single running play blown up because he's

not physically capable. You know, well, you traded your six to get back into the seventh last year for Jeff Swayin. You just use him, well, you just hope it Swayin get can put on some weight and get a little bit better doing that. Signed James Hannah. Yeah, James Hannah, that's a great idea. A j Matta. Speaking of free agency, Stephen and Jerry Jones both took this week to emphatically state that they want Rolando McLean back on their defense.

Not that that's an indicator of anything, but they appear to be very interested in that. Does that tell you anything about their opinion on Miles Jack. Do you feel as good about Miles Jack as a candidate for as maybe you did, because that I mean, that's your guy, that's my guy. If they signed, if they that they resigned McLean, then then that would mean that that they would probably put Anti Hitchens as the backup Mike, and

so they probably where he needs to be. Yeah, there'll be no need then to to draft Miles Jack if that's the case. And some people were talking about that maybe the medical was going to come back badly on Miles Jack. I think on March fifteenth, Miles Jack is going to blow everybody away with a work out there out in Westwood and and then we'll see some other team will get that opportunity. But if they resigned Rwanda McClean, I think that does put the end to my dream

for having Miles jacklins. What if he's the best player on your board, We talk about it all the time. He's right they're your best player on the board. Even if you did sign Rolanda McClean, I'll tell you what I'm not comfortable doing. I'm not all on counting on Rolanda McLean or Sean Leefer. Sixteen games, Jack is still on the board at that he's my number one guy on the board that I'm taking him. That's that, you know what, and that's and that's well said, and that's

and that it should be the case. I just don't know if they would operate that way. I think we would operate that way, but you know, we're not working for an NFL team in the draft room. Be smarter for them off that. But one thing I always learned, and that was Ron Wolf and with the Packers, was hey, you feel good about a position, go ahead and add another guy to it. But that's you know, they at

that fourth pick. I mean, somebody will say, oh, you gotta have this or have that or have something else. But if they if he's a top five player in my opinion when you watch him play, he is a top five player, and if you know, I hopefully they will give him his due and uh, you know, and see where the chips fall. He's a top one player. Wow to one. He's the best there ever was, the greatest of all time. We call him the game. He's one on your board, good lord, order one on your board,

Miles Jack. Yeah, you've you've been. I'm probably not fair in saying that because I would take Jared Goff over any position player available. That's true because if I think he's a good starting quarterback, he's more important than j. J. Watt. He's more important than anybody in the league. He's a quarterback. Yeah, we rate quarterbacks high. Michael wants to know he's a

pit alumni. Oh, Boyd, he wants it. Well, good guy, I mean, an easy guess, but good guess he wants he wants to swap out Tyler Boyd for Devin's Street. Well it's a great question, Michael, but you can't just do that. You can't just swap him out. But no, Tyler Boyd is a great player. He ran a four or five eight. Yeah it's on the forty and I'm not sure about the agility drills. But see, that's what

he is though, Yeah, that's what he is. That's the big concern with him, is he Are you gonna do anything for me after the catch, right, and I don't think Tyler Boyd's gonna give you a lot of that. What he is is a good route runner and a good good hands, maybe the best hands in the draft. Monster. We saw that against King from Iowa, who we thought was initially when we were starting this journey, was one

of the best corners in the country. So yeah, he has he's he's one of those guys who'll catch the football. I think Kat's right though, for those big plays. If you're okay with just you know, and a lot of people say, well, Dallas has nobody that can blow the top off off off a defense. And that's why, you know, Dave was saying, well, hey how about Will four. He'll

blow the top off a defense. So day, Yeah, I think if you had somebody that could really really if you could really if you had somebody could really, really really run, you would say, okay, yeah, trade him out. But if you're interested in having somebody that could play the vertical game, you know, Boyd's not that guy. Keenan Allen was a comparison. I think that a lot of people will think we're talking about that type of a guy. All right, Um, all right, I got two we'll do.

I'm worried about getting to this guy because I feel like we've talked to him too much. But Isaac wants to know, Um, what are your thoughts? And we saw him, we saw him today too, Vernon Adams, any any thoughts do you? Oregon? Yes, I mean Frank here guy and hey, we're talking about you don't want to go later than the fourth round for a quarterback? Does this guy do anything for you? I hear people talking about him. He's he's undersized, and I'll give him credit for being a gamer.

That's what they said at the Shrine Game. Sure, that's what a lot of people that you talk to talk about that guy being a gamer. But for a guy who may not have been drafted before the Shrine Game started, I just I think that you're pinning your hopes on something that doesn't happen a lot. For a guy who most teams look at and they're like, I don't know that he's an NFL player that becomes what a late day three pick or or a free agent. Come to camp and see what you can do. That's what I mean.

And that's what we were talking about when you're talking about that late in the draft that kind of prospect and Graham, there's always there's always room for the one percent success story. But I got showers on your team already, probably not adding a guy that's gonna significantly improve your team. Let me ask you this him and this is and I know this is gonna be met with some booze and jeers and all that. If it came down to him at the end or a Cody Kessler, I'll take

him Vernon Adams win the game at the end. This is this is the Cody Kessler like, no unappreciation. Cody Kesler didn't try to win a football. Watched it. I watched it with y'all. It was in you to be down two touchdowns with four and a half minutes left. Never I just wanted to marry strange. He also has a noodle arm, but that's well. How about the Indiana quarterback that worked today? What'd you think of him today?

I saw some bad accuracy. I saw some really crappy got an arm, his feet his feet or he hops, he's like he's playing baseball. He gets back, he kind of does this like he jumps to throw, and it's it's messed him up there. I think there's a few mid to rate lounge guys like with a shot to

develop to play. If you're looking somebody say about Hogan today, like, yeah, he's not going to impress you right now, but he's got a shot to be something in three or four if you need a guy to survive on your roster for four years and hopefully survived for your team if your starter goes down for two games. Okay, he throws a long ball like he's stowing the javelin. He puts his entire body in it. And I thought I was

at the seventy six games in Montreal the way. I mean, he has a clean pocket and the guy's open, he's got a chance, and and anything short intermediate him moving around fine. And then it's funny because I talk about Paxton Lynch. He throw through the ball well downfield, but underneath he didn't throw it as well. So I mean, I think that's because of how big he is, Like that's just I don't know. His hurt one of a

good point. Yeah, it's just sometimes these taller guys, the body type to touch for them is a little bit more difficult. Something they have to develop. Where he threw three straight passes that that that double move that they ran, you know, and then went to the corner like the post corner. He threw three straight passes like if you put a trash can down there, and it would go on into the trash can every single time. But then some of the underneath stuff. Early he was awful. Yeah,

he ran. There was an en route where I saw him throw the ball and the receiver stopped and then he had to turn around and walk like eight yards that way, Yeah, and then take a knee to go to where the ball was. It was really interesting, but he was golf had one no eye guy came across the phenomenal day by golf not at all. The guys are just trying to fit your own narratives right now. That's all that's happened here. Um, all right. I mean this is one of the most talked about guys at

the combine. Were talking about him yesterday. I don't care. DA wants to know if Derrick Henry did anything to change your mind this week. Uh, you know, if you want him, you probably know you have to get him at thirty four, I would say, and maybe you feel willing to do that. Yeah, do you think that's true. I mean, do you think him at sixty seven is possible? No, that's just me being an idiot. YEA, yeah, I know.

I to me and I'll let Kavanaugh to talk about this though, because I thought he brought up a very interesting point about the shuttles and things like that, the change of directions, and then people will tweet at you about well, DeMarco Murray was just as bad and all that. DeMarco Murray was a third round pick. All right, we're talking everything. De Marco Murray went to an offense where they ran the ball laterally right and how did you like the way that looked? Yeah, he plays sideways exactly,

three guys, that's what they do. Murray was what seventy one? I think he was right. I think he was in the seventies. But anyway, Derrick Henry would have a shot to be very very good here. I think he absolutely would. There's a mc downhill runner. He's a downhill runner, and they're going to give him a chance. There's not gonna be a lot of times with this line. I just gets blow seventy one. I nailed it. I just don't like Boom. I thought he caught the ball well better

than no. He's he's a good player. I just don't. I just don't like the fact that he doesn't create. Are you taking him at thirty four because I'm not. That's the question to me, Derrick Henry, I'm taking him at sixty seven in the third round or not at all? I wouldn't. I'm okay with that. I would do a backflip. If I could get Derrick Henry at sixty seven, I would feel great about what he is. Feel better about about thirty four? Then, No, that's what I'm gonna say.

I would feel gret about it at sixty seven about would you feel better that one and not the other? Then, because you're talking about a whole you're talking literally talking about a whole round ahead. I mean first and second round. I'm testing how much you really like the game first and second round. I want a guy who's going to be like a starter stud right away. You can take a running back at thirty four. His name is Kenneth Dixon. If you want to take a running back, you don't

think that. You don't think that Henry, if he even if you got him at sixty seven, wouldn't be the starter. No, I don't. I don't think that they would set it. I think they would platoon it. I mean, I think it would be okay if you if you took him at thirty four, do you think you'd be the starter. I don't think where they draft. You just said you don't feel I don't like his talent level enough to spend that rich of a pick on him. That's all

I mean, that's all I'm saying. But you're committed to him in the third but not in the second because it's a much less valuable draft pick. Like you're acting like those are different, like those are the same thing. No, I've just seen how committed you were toed the player. I mean, I would feel great about drafting Paxton Lynch if it was the fifteenth overall pick or the twentieth overall pick instead of the fourth. Where you take them matters.

I'm just you're literally you're You're take Packs and Lynch at sixty seven. I'm with you. No, that's not what I said. I do want to say this though, because it's smoke screen season. There was like a report today the Titans want to pound the ball and get a big physical nber one. No, not at one but you know who picks at number thirty three right before thirty four or the Cowboys pick is the Tennessee Titans, So that could be a place for Deeric Henry. Or maybe

it's he goes to Tennessee at thirty three. You can oh I had him, No, I had that. I mean to be like, man, I just don't know what I I don't know what it is about him that's so special that makes people think he would go that high. I he is. He's a he's a specimen man. He's a it's a Heisman Trophy winner. I know, Dave Man whatever. I love a lot of Alabama players, which is tough for me to do. My favorite guy in this draft went to Ole Miss, which is my least favorite school

in the world. But I don't know. I just I don't know. I mean, you're talking about a valuable pick up there. That's that's my opinion. And I wonder if you could just survive at running back this year because next year, holy cow, running back cost that's coming. There's two or three ze. You want to be four and twelve again and have your rating time and have a miserable year. Kind of we can do draft talk all year. We could just start talking draft in October. Next year,

we started in November. Other people can talk about the game. We've talked about every college player that's coming to the Cowboys all week because we get what pe four net Dalvin Cook Cook, I mean the guys that the guys that you're going to be excited together those guys are. I mean you're gonna have to be bad to get those guys. Okay, well, see this is where the narrative, like you say, will change. Everybody will forget it. Oh, there's there's no value of taking or running back in

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Final ten minutes at the Draft Show for our time here, I want to get into tomorrow. Well, actually the next couple of days, we've got defensive players. All the offensive players have gone through. Jerry Jones on the bus, yes, talking about defensive players trying to help this football team. It was it was pretty enlightening. I mean, he wasn't saying anything that we didn't know, but it's always interesting to hear, you know, guys like that talk on the record.

Just I mean, he basically said, I don't know if I'm gonna feel as good about our defense entering the twenty sixteen season as I did last year. When you know, they added Greg Hardy and they drafted Randy Gregory, and they got McLean back, and you know, Scandrick was was healthy, Moe was still under contracts, and and he said, you know, there's a lot of stuff that's going to happen in the next sixty days. Where before this, you know, rosters

really finalized for training camp. Um, but it's gonna be tough for them to match the and and again, obviously the season didn't go the way they wanted it too, but they had so much potential on paper to be great. Yeah, and I think he was saying it's it's gonna be tough for them to match that, you know, as productive an offseason as they had last year, they got their work cut out for him. I think that's very much relate to the fact that he and everyone else thinks

that a certain pass rusher is not coming back. See that's what That's what I was saying. I was I was following you on Twitter. I was back here doing some work and watching the workouts, and you and you were tweeting about Randy Gregory, and I was interested that what the thoughts you guys had, you know, the demeanor, and I'm sure Jerry I've seen that look on his face before. It's probably really pained to have to talk about Randy Gregory and what transpired for him this year. Well,

and it wasn't. That's the second Jones that I've heard allude to the fact that there may be more games to come that Rador Gregory could miss. And he, I mean, he went through it. How there's not a lot of room for error for a guy who funked a drug test at the combine. Yeah, you get tested a lot, he said. I believe Jerry said he's ninety eight tested more than ninety eight percent of the NFL. Right, So if you've got. If you've got something going on that you can't get a handle on, it's going to be

caught and it's going to be exposed. And so I I think you're in danger of needing to build your roster as if Randy Gregory doesn't exists. That's been my theory with Shawn Lee the last couple of years. Good point, and I love it when he's available. I love I love Sean Lee. I love the player, he's outstanding. But sometimes you just got to build a roster as if

that guy's not going to be there. Because I'm hearing enough people and high places on this team who it seems like, have very real concerns about how often Randy Gregory's going to be available to play football. And you feel like that Randy Gregory might play twelve games and not play anymore in his career for the Dallas Cowboys as possible when he pop drug tests. But I mean, yeah, sure, and it's possible. And he was very uh, I mean, he owned up to it. Look, look, we knew the

risk coming in. He said, Look, if we didn't take him at sixty, someone else was gonna take him. Right, it probably would have been the Seahawks or someone like that. Right, what makes it a bummer is that finding an edge rusher is so hard to do. It's such a premium position, and there's just not a lot of them, And so the idea of building your roster like that without without having ready Gregory, You're going, Man, what do I gotta do? Now? I've got to miss DeMarcus Lawrence my best edge rusher?

Right now? Am I bringing back Mincy? What am I doing in free agency? Who can I get in the draft? Like? I don't want them to be in a position to be forced to go a defensive line. But that's well, it's the type of thing that at least crawls into your mind. Now, it's not a smart way to go about things, but it does crawl into your mind. I might need to get a defensive line in here, Dave, what do you think about Joey Bosa? I? He and I mean, I'm definitely just just from what you I'm

the personal side of it at all. I'm just I'm influenced by you and other things that I've read, and I just, uh, I don't know, he makes a lot of sense to me, just in the fact it does make sense he makes so, and I wrote about that yesterday and encourage you to read it on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Solid player. And you know you have your concerns that maybe he'll never be like a truly a lead pass rusher. Sure easily the biggest position of need

on this roster. I think he can be an immediate contributor. Maybe not like a ten SAC guy right away, but he'll immediately do something. You know. I know he had his own suspension, in his own problems, but he doesn't strike me as being a guy that you have to worry about. And I really do think that there's going to be some some Jason Garrett emphasis on, some right kind of guys this offseason after the other way didn't work last year. Yeah I told you so. Yeah, yeah, kinda. So.

I mean you're looking at it. And but to Kat's point, I mean, I hate the idea of drafting a defensive end because you have to have one or else you got nobody. I sit here and look, and they've got cap room. I think they have to add bodies plural to that defensive line in free agency. I think you have to because you don't want to be in a position where you have to get Joey Bosa in order

to have a viable defensive line in twenty sixteen. So maybe I mean, and you know, maybe they don't break the bank for a guy, but they just need to do some work to try try to upgrade the talent. There, Jeff convinced me about Noah Spence. I was going to ask you about Noah Spence because I'll tell you this about about Spence. I do think you'd have to do this in before or yes, I'm absolutely talking about it. I'm talking about it four because if he's on a team,

he's going in the top ten. Okay, tell me if it's where he belongs, and it it with me. It comes with a question that I don't think I've heard from anybody else yet, but it's Noah Spence from the season to the Senior Bowl. To hear, it looks like has been taking off weight yea, and to me that it seems like he's gearing up to be an outside linebacker. Yeah. So my question is it is he willing and does

a team want him? Do you pick him? And say, listen, I want you to put those fifteen back on because I'm putting your hand in the dirt and you're gonna come off this edge and you're going to be my pass rusher, right, And you know, and that's my question because I tell you, I came out of this week, and I came out of his media availability to where I'll take I'll take the character risk quote unquote, he's he's he's been far better shaped than a lot of

guys spoke this week. I'm not I'm not worried about Noah Spence off the field. And maybe everybody can't say that to me, personally, I would feel good about it because I think I can prove that he's passed because I'll just tell him, I'll say, Hey, you said that you've been taking a drug test every week. But Randy Gregory also told us when drafted Hey that the team that slicks me didn't have to worry about Gregory funked his here at the job interview man read to me,

that's so much different. After he got suspended, I went back and read a story that, um, I think it was NFL dot com. They got a big they got a big story with Gregory and like the quotes were just amazing, you know, like you know this will never happen I recognize what I had to do. Blah blah blah, and like if you read the story, you had to come away from that convinced that this kid had it

together because he's a likable guy. Absolutely is a likable and that's and you know, No, I'm not knocking Noah Spence at all. I thought he was very impressive in his interview with Yure, very mature handled everything, was very accountable U all of that said, I'm sitting here listening to Jeff going, so you're gonna take another tweener pass rusher with a history of failing drug tests, but this one rushes the passer, this one gets the edge, this

one doesn't get blocked by tight ends. I'm Randy Gregory. We didn't have I bet if I went back, I bet I encourage anyone to go back to he had him in the second round before a drug test because of on field. We watched Randy Gregory on the feet and we thought he was a second round player in the fifth best defensive end. He just put me in my place. No, it's a fair question though, because a lot of people will do that, they'll go back and

say something that it's not what they said. Last year. Sure, our concerns with Randy Gregory got by, he got blocked by tight ends. I just remember, and yeah, like Jeff said, hindsight's twenty twenty. But I just remember thinking he would have been such a better fit as a three four linebacker than a four three end. And I and I feel that way about Spence right now, especially having seen him here physically. How he doesn't look like he's supposed to be down on the line with with the big guys.

I don't know. That's just me though. Okay, through the draft process. I want to ask you this though, because you've done this before, you know, for in the NFL, how possible is it or likely is it that you you meet with the guy here or whatever, are you set up of workout at Valley Ranch when you get your when you get your okay, and you kind of tell him, look, you do what we ask put on some weight, yeah, or we'll take you for We like you enough, just we need you to do what we're

asking you to do. Is that something that the Cowboys can do? And how likely does that? How how much is that happening? I'm sure they've talked to him about Listen, you know, you look like you keep dropping. Wait, we excite the seeing your ball. You're look you're getting you know. Yeah, it's something you can't really guarantee that you will take you but you have to find a way to say, Man, if we're gonna play, you're gonna play as a defensive end.

We gotta and you gotta. You're gonna have to be at x amount of you know, pounds for us to be able to have some success potentially doing this. Let me ask you, let me throw out one more name, because he dropped the Cowboys name without even being asked about it here, and he is a top five player we thought and on tape as a three four end.

He's not an edge rusher. But you're talking about you need to add talent to the defensive line to help somebody else get sacks or to just have a better defensive line product to Forrest Buckner yoked about him last night. Yeah was surprised, and I came away surprised by what you and Dane or yeah, you and Dane said, because I mean, I said, I kind of had him written off as a three four guy. But they're over here

telling me, yeah, maybe not so much. Well, the scouts Dali Ranch when the first mock came out and when mel Kiper had him as the guy, Buttner as the guy. A scout asked me, he's like, when we start drafting three four defensive ends, you know, and so, but I think what we need to think about this Cowboy defense now is it's gonna be about position flexibility. All the players I think on defense, Buckner could play three of them.

That's what I'm saying. They're gonna they're gonna find. They're gonna find that's exactly right, Bosa, Ramsey, Uh, you know, even each Miles j Jack. Yeah. So they're looking for eyes in this scheme that can play a lot of different positions. And I think that's why. I think that's why Buttner and I was I admitted too, I was a guy that wrote him off. I think he's gonna be a better three four defensive end. But the Cowboys met with him and the possibility of him playing four three.

Teams are talking about him playing inside, so that would be at a three technique, but maybe even playing some defensive end as well. So a lot of names floating around as far as trying to help this defense. It's gonna be interesting to see the next sixty days or so how this all puts together. So start fast and furious. Yeah we're gonna get the first one is like a week from Yeah, we'll get into all that too, So

Ronald Blair in the second round. There you go. All right, Well that's all the time we have here in Indianapolis. I want to thank my guys Kevin Turner, Jeff Kavanaugh, David Hellman, is always Kent Garrison, Executive Blucer for always putting us on the air this week in Indiapolis. Thank you guys out there for joining us all this time. Thank you for all the questions, and thank you for everything. Really, thank you for caring about our show so much we appreciate.

We'll be back next Friday, back in Valley Ranch, and hopefully another time we could get these guys on again. So take care and we'll say a night here from Indianapolis.