Draft Show: LIVE From 2016 NFL Combine - Day 3

sixteen NFL Combine here in Indianapolis. Lucas Oil Stadium has been our home here now for the last several days as we physically get workouts being done on the field. It's been a whirldwind day for my colleagues, Dame Brugler from CBS Sports and from Dallascowboys dot Com. David Hellman as well, Uh from Dallascowboys dot Com. And then once again my favorite Brit mister Turner. How are you doing today, sir? I'm doing right well. Thank you. My first good night's

sleep last night. Sorry, favorite, he's my favorite Brit. About John, They're all I have a bunch of favorite, but he's my favorite scouting brit. Okkak, I got you so yeah. So Dan Turner once again joins the program and uh, guys. We we've talked about it. Everybody's allowed kind of dragging a little bit right now. I mean, don't don't lump me in there with that, you know, when we lump you in the dragons. I just I just wrote this awesome Miles Jack feature. I'm are you pumped about molest Jack?

I am pumped about Miles Jack. Okay, well we'll get to Mommy. I'm easily swayed though. Like basically, every time I go watch a guy talk, if he's good, I'm like, yeah, get him. That's why I'll get That's why I need to kind of replace you in our scouting rotation, because because my man will he will ride the roller coaster ride, like we talk about, the bar goes from his lap, he holds his hands up and he screams as we

go through the ride. There. But I and I was saying tired because every time we turn around there was something and that's the exciting part. There's a lot of things going on with the workouts. You're trying to pay attention to the workouts a little bit. You're trying to see what these running backs are doing, what the offensive lines doing. Uh, you know, then all of a sudden, like Dave says, somebody gets called to the podium and then and then the direction of the story goes another way.

And then we had a lot of storylines today. This is a great event for somebody with add Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stories going going on here and uh but let's let's let's cover the ones. And by the way, you know, we always encourage you to reach out to the Draft show. At the Draft show, Dave is going to go through like we did last night, and like we do all the time, go through the Twitter questions, try and find some uh, you know, questions

that are suitable for the draft. I mean, if you have cowboy questions and all that, maybe that's another day for another show. We got plenty of those on the platform as well on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Try and keep things to the draft. You know, we'll answer as

many of those as we can. Dave will go through them, h and then we will we'll discuss I also, like I said, want to talk about out you know a little bit about the workouts that we saw today, you know, and and you know, the offensive line, the running backs. It's really easy for me to do this. Dame but is there anything that stood out with the offensive line? And I'll tell I'm gonna throw a storyline at you

a little bit. You know, we're talking about the these offensive tackles and and how that you know, we all have tounsl up here, But did any of these offensive tackles close the gap? And maybe not to Tounsil, but did it change maybe how you think the others will fall behind Tounsl with the way some of these workouts went. I think, uh, we talked about this yesterday, but Spriggs from Indiana, he'd performed really well during the athletic drills and I think that only helps his case as a

possible first round pick. That's something we heard a lot of in Mobile during Senior Bowl week, and I think he's continued to positive momentum here. I don't think you or I or uh, you knows a few others that aren't sold on him as a first round player. But with this I thoticism you know mentioned Lane Johnson kind of a similar type of there's some similarities there, and so I think that's what's really gonna help him jump

into the first round. And then Cody White Hare you know Cody at sixteen reps on the bench, you know. And we talked about the bench yesterday and how that doesn't necessarily translate to the next level as much as some of these other drills, and so Cody needed some positive numbers just to kind of regain some of that momentum, and he did. In the three cone drill, he had one of the best time seven three two, And so

I thought Cody white Hair helped himself. Yeah, Davis, I know you were running around maybe okay, some stories any other thing. I mean, did you get a chance to see the workouts like you wanted to at all? Or I know you were running around doing a lot of different things. I cast an eye on the running backs for sure. Yeah. I mean Zeke threw up a four four six. Thought that was awesome, which I meant to

ask you. That's how you signed off last night. You were hoping that he would blow people away with his time. How do you feel about it? You know what I felt like that that's kind of what we had as a time that four four five. If i'm you know, we all we all had four four five. I had a have several scouts in the actual of the workouts, So I was worried what TV times were coming off as opposed to what and and his second time was

actually in the four fives. You know, A scout text me back and said, first range was a four four six. I thought, you know, that's kind of what TV saying. And then the second one, and then I went back and even did it you know with Henry. You know, in his times, we thought that Henry on the Draft show, we talked about him being a four or five four type of a guy. That's that they had the four five seven range on him. So you know, these guys

ran about what we thought. But I could be honest with you guys, I thought that we were going to see that Zeke would run better. I thought you were gonna see maybe a low four four two four four. Oh you know, but we got that from Urban from the little guy from a from But when we would we talked about yesterday with Derick Henry, Uh, the forties great.

You know, we knew he was going to run fairly well for a guy that size was about the three cone and his shuttles, right, and that's where Henry struggled and the three cones. Yeah, the fourth worst time at seven point two. Uh, you know only you know there's a couple of full backs that did worse, but you know that That's really the sticking point with Henry is when he's in the backfield, can he stretch out those long legs and make something happen create on his own?

We know he can stretch out those legs in the open field at the second level keep going, But in short area can he do the same type of thing? And the three cone drill backs up what we saw on tape. Yeah, and you're one of the big fans of the three cone drill. It's something you're pushing out. I don't want to know how you do in space, and not just space but also tight areas. You know, can you you have the change of direction, the footwork that's needed at the three cone drill. You can't hide

from that drill. It will expose you if you are a stiff at fleet in So we saw a little bit of that with Derrick Henry Danny. Well, just going back to the offensive lineman quickly, I had Jack Conklin as my number two offensive lineman in this past before, before to day, ahead of Ronnie Stanley, and today just exaggerated that from me because Stanley had Stanley performed really poorly. He was near the bottom of the three cone he ran a slow forty time, and Jack Conklin run the

third fastest three cone. He ran a five second flat forty yard dash. I mean, he put twenty five reps on the bench press yesterday, and to me, that just reaffirms what we see on table almost And it's not just the it's not just the athleticism and the strength of this. It's almost it's also the desire. I mean, Jack Conklin just just wants it more when he when you see him running that forty yard dash, He's putting every ounce of effort into that. And Ronnie Stanley it's

just almost lackadaiser good at times. He just so Yeah, I know what answer I'm going to get from this man, though, But in the reason I opened with that because I'm thinking that maybe that you were going to talk about Conklin in relation to Decker, you know, Ohio State, and I know that you've always get on me about that. Why would you have Decker? And again I'm not letting this come. I'm not letting the numbers, but I'm just saying, though, are there things that you saw on tape that made

you think that, well, hey, Jack Conklin can do? Can you know? And is he is he in the pecking order of those of those offensive linemen behind Tunsil? Is Jack Conklin maybe putting his name into into the hat of a potential guy to be taken ahead of one

of those guys? I think, I mean that's fair. Before we came to the combine, that was something that was already on the table, and that's a good good Depending on who you talk to different teams, Conklin's weird and the fact that there's I don't think there's a consensus around the league on him. You know, some teams really excited what he can do, some little lukewarm, and so

we'll see moving forward. Um, not to overreact or underreallize with what happened at the combine, but we'll see moving forward the next few weeks, you know, would catch up with some of these NFL teams, what if Conklin did here, if that helped him at all, or if they still view him as the third or fourth best tackle. David. This is a very I love this conversation because it

prevents a very interesting dichotomy. Uh, because I mean, we're the offensive lineman doing and I know they worked out today Laramie tuns Will talk you talked yesterday, right, yes, very yeah, and I'll did a very good job. Yeah. But it's it's interesting to me because I'm sitting here thinking we've got some fantastic going on here in the hallways.

Um No, it's just interesting to me that, uh, you know, Tunsil's there, Conklin Decker, We've talked about these guys, but today, you know, from my standpoint as a Dallas Cowboys staff writer, we got a look at probably the first two guys that I think are really realistic options at number four over all for the Cowboys. Yeah, and that's Joey Bosa

and and then Miles chat later on today. Um and and that's what I love about this show is that you know you can get both of those things where you know, these are all important issues, uh, you know, in determining the pecking order in the first round of the draft, and you got you know, you're you're figuring out that type of stuff. Is it realistic to think Tunzel's the Cowboys pick? I don't think so. Is it realistic to think that Elliott is their pick. I don't

really think so either. Um, So, you know, we're learning about everybody and anybody and then at the same time you got to investigate and educate here, but you get to zero in two on on these other two guys anyways, So that that was the interesting takeaway that I had. And for those that didn't already know this, Larrmy Tounsel decided not to perform any of the agility drills. He did to the positional drills, right, but for whatever reason decided not to do the forty or any of those

other drills. So he's gonna do those at his pro day. Be an interesting day. They're in Oxford, Mississippi, a lot of people traveling. There'll be a lot of guys working that day. How Candy, Yeah, I sort of. I've taken this at face value for probably a month now. I think Laramie Tunsil is the number one pick in this draft.

He's the best player in this draft. And you've been saying that first Friday that did this, We we still feel that way, and that honestly, like and you kind of get into your own headspace where you just take things as fact, you know, and I haven't thought about Joey Bosa as a number one pick in weeks and people were asking him about that today and I was like, do people think that is that? You know? And so

I want to get y'all's opinion on that. Yeah, go ahead, day, Well, no, I think that's to me, Bosa is one of the top four to five players in this draft. So I think he's in that conversation. I think it just goes not necessarily is he the best player? But Tennessee, do they want an offensive tackle when they had just drafted Lawan in the first round two years ago? Or do they want more of a defensive impact guy like a

Bosa or a Ramsey, uh you know? Or could they shock us all and take a line an off ball linebacker like Miles Jacket number one? So you know, I don't Tunsil makes the most sense because not only does he fit a need protecting uh Mariota there in Tennessee. But as much as I loved Tunsel, as clean as he is on the field, off the field, there's you know, there could be some concerns there. Kimdici revealed today that

tuns was with him when that incident came down. When he uh, when Kimdici was arrested that night in December for marijuana possession. Right and not that you know, Tunsil is old enough to be making these own decisions on himself. It's you know, we don't know enough yet to really speculate, but you just never know with these types of types of things, that team could shy away from another player and go towards another. And he was talking about Bosa. He has his own h things that he has to

answer for it with NFL teams. He was a little coy about it with the media, said, you know what, all when one on one I'll discuss my suspension with NFL teams. And it didn't really feel much there. But I thought Bosa was a great interview today today. Yeah, Bosa's the first time I got to see him speak. And I was talking to some teams though a little earlier, well late last night, about they're digging on him hard.

I mean on Bosa they're trying to figure out in today that today was interesting to watch him interact and and you're right, I thought he did a really nice job as far as handling the questions and stuff like that. The guy to me that came off really well of all the potential problem guys, was Noah Spense. Yeah, he's the one guy. But you know why he came off so well because his his transgressions were so long ago that he's had time to say hey, yeah, and he

stands up there they're all out there. Yeah, they're all out there in the high front. Yeah. And he's and he's kind of like he's like, hey, I've already lived this. I've already you know. You you can ask me any questions you want, and I'll tell you about what my program, what I went through, what I have to do every day, what you know. He he's the one that came after me.

If you if if he's talking like dad, if I'm sitting in a room and he's sitting across from me and he's telling me the story about his problems a year and a half ago, and I'm going, this guy sounds clean, right, this guy? You know, I mean, we are we are we missing I was getting I'm just saying, as we as a team, you know this guy. Yeah. And by the way, the thing another thing about Noah Spense todays, which was quite strange, was he measured him with thirty three inch arms at the senior bold What

did he measure him with thirty two inch arms? Yeah, and I know it's only one inch, but that's probably the difference between I've been a three four outside linebacker and a guy who's potentially put his hand on the dirt and a four three. So so that actually really intrigued me today as well. And like like you say about the about the interview, I love these guys who who can take accountability for what they do. They don't make excuses, they just and we've seen it a few times.

He saw it with them DeMarcus Robinson yesterday. And again I don't really know if he if he's going to turn away from it, but but I do quite I do prefer that in a player than the ones who may make excuses. Another Spence isn't making any excuses. It's old. He just he has he has ald his issues out. And that was kind of the issue with Kim Dici today. He sure it's he was kind of a weird interview because at some points he used the words uncharacteristic and embarrassing.

But then on the other hand, he you know, at one point he said he blamed the media, you know, Yeah, the exact quote was, the media has done a tarnish to my name. Um. And so you know, with Kim Dici, I'm not I'm not completely sold that he's going to be doing what all he needs to do. And we're in these interviews with teams to convince them that, hey, you know, you don't have to worry about me off

the field. I'm worth the pick he remains, and I think he'll, you know, through the rest of the process, he'll remain a wild card in this draft class. I mean, Combine interviews are pretty intense for the most part anyway. But Spence, Kim Dici, and Jayleen Smith today, Yeah, talk about Smith a little bit today. Just in general, it was three of the more tough interviews I've been around, especially Spence. I mean it was probably eight in a row that was like, was it ecstasy? How many times

was it ecstasy? Getting tested? Are you addicted? Were you addicted? You use it as a crutch. I was just like, oh my god, Like, this is brutal. And Jalen Smith was the same way about his injury and how far that he's come from it and what that. Yeah, Jayden's is painful to Walt trip. He's just because you could tell he was trying to he was trying to convince It was almost like he was trying to convince himself that it wasn't as serious as as he thought. He

said it wasn't enough damage. But some of the reporters were asking questions like, wait a minute, we've seen you now in a boot that it helps you know, and he said, well, the boot, the special boot was or the brace was to help me walk and he's really only what now, just now walking a week ago. Yeah, I think the big thing with Jalen Smith, there's a lot of reports out there that he's not gonna play this year because of nerve damage with his ankle and

his knee. We can't believe anything right now. It's too early. He's seven weeks out from surgery. Uh, he's going to be back here for the medical rechecks. That's when we'll find out. Okay, that's usually the beginning of April. Beginning of April, about a month outside of the draft. We've got a better idea, a better feel for his rehab process and when he'll actually be able to get on the field. Um. But you know, nonetheless, it's it's not a positive thing, but Jalen was he was still positive

about it. He says, he still thinks he'll go top ten. Yeah, well that's gonna be interesting to see if that happens. Though. You know, the doctors here, he said, not really not getting an opportunity to pull and push and do all that. But a guy that did get push. I'm gonna say, who are you talking about, Yes, Miles Jet or on the other end of the spectrum with him, right, Yeah,

Miles Jet would give. I would love to be able to see that, like to actually just I just want to watch him do what they do to these guys these medical tests. He's sitting. There's an intense deal now, and that's sa And you know the thing about it, the way this works, and this is from my experience of being in that room, it's just not one team. They have a cluster of teams. So there might be five doctors, you know, each team has they're represented, and

then they might have two doctors in there. So you're talking about ten doctors looking at one knee, and you got and doctors don't always look things the same way. So if doctor at the Saints wants to pull on the knee, while the doctor the Buccaneers wants to pull on the knee, the doctor the Cowboys wants to So see now that's why. And he was talking about it was seven hours of you know, to go through that.

He got in the MRI at seven or eight this morning and he wasn't done right and looked at until he came here and hundred seven hours. And remember last year though we had there was a bunch of rumor about well girl, he doesn't want people to look at his knee. That's why he didn't want Because of that, what Miles Jack just went through, he didn't He didn't want people pushing and pulling on his knee. So to get through all that. But talk about Miles Jack, you know,

questions about really how big he was. I think on the Draft show, we've told people he's six one two forty five. What Smiles Jack? Six one two forty five, that's what they had. He's not a small guy. You should eliminate the questions about him being a potential mic line. Eliminate that that he's two small questions because he physically looks good and NFL teams are they're thinking the same way.

I mean, right, this is one of those guys you just don't overthink it, and you know, say, well he's only a fit here or here, he can play any linebacker spot. Yeah, well talk about that a little bit day. Don't talk about that, he said, talk, well, no, but talk but no, no, talk about what he said. He said that teams have asked him about all well all three four three linebacker spots right inside in a three four right safety right and then a couple even threw

and some jokes about running back. Yeah, like, I mean, that's unbelievable. And he's the one that brought up Cam Chancellor's name right as a possible fit and that type of role where it's a little bit of a hybrid. But yeah, he can do it all. I can't overthink it. He's that good of a player. Well, Mick and Son, while was Jock actually coming in was m led touche because he's sometimes just sort of bashes into blockers and doesn't really use his arms. So it was one of

the most it was one of my slight concerns. And he measured him with what thirty three and a half inch three five eights I believe, Yeah, yes, I mean that's tops that you fine I stet up some slight consigns about taking him at number before, but just almost more because of the positional value of it, more than more than anything else. But I mean, he's he look tops perffect today and yeah, it'll be fine. Yeah, okay, Well listen, we're gonna take a little break right now.

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ninety nine ninety nine. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Showboys hundred. We're back here from Radio Row at the twenty sixteen NFL Scouting Combine. Brian Broadest, Dame Brugler, David Helm and Dan Turner with you today. Of any final thoughts though that, I didn't want to leave you guys hanging before we went to break any any more thoughts about anybody else. Uh we we we saw. We finally got a Paxton Lynch. Sat Lynch came and the reason he came late today it was because he was

stuck in the medicals for so long. Um and they did find some things with both knees, shoulder and then his shoulder broke as clavicle, and they they found some pieces of you know, fragments of bones floating around in there, and um, it's something that he said he didn't consider serious. He didn't miss any practices or games or anything like that, but it is something he This is Paxton's words, he used the words spooked. A few teams were spooked by

what they found. So this is one of those things where it's not something that overreact to, but just something that belongs in his report and something that needs checked out a long term. Although I mean, and I don't know, and this is the first I've heard of it, I'm not I'm definitely not trying to say there's something seriously

wrong with the guy. But hasn't that happened before? Jaya Jayi from last year comes to my immediately sure, where he's like, that's no big deal in that, and then all of a sudden around draft him, it's like nobody wants to take a chance on this. Yeah, but it's those medical rechecks, isn't it closer to the draft? And that's when they start to get leaked out a little bit so that they do actually concern me a bit.

When when you when you hear these players taught, because obviously they want to put on a brave face and they want to they want to tell people that it isn't anything serious. But in all honestly, these guys don't. These guys don't understand it. I don't think none of these guys have got None of these guys gonna be doctors, none of these guys and they're gonna be physios. So

to me, it's almost, um, it's mean. I I don't really believe these guys like Jaylen Smith when she was saying about that there wasn't any nerve damage, like it wouln't surprise me if he comes out comes out later on that actually is nerve damage still. So yeah, absolutely, And in the in the Cowboy Team, doctors did did did surgery. Doctor Cooper didn't surgery on Jilen Smith. So you know it, Doctor Cooper one of the best in

the country at putting guys back together. So hopefully we there's not Hopefully there's not any damage and all that, and he can come back and play. I will say the plans on doing is stuff on Saturday tomorrow? Does he not? Yeah? And I want to say this though about and and this is sometimes this is the this is the hazards of not being with the team, but but doing the tape and busting your rear and trying

to line these guys up. You evaluate that tape and there's stuff that these college programs that they won't tell these scouts about. And you know, you don't, you don't hear about these things Paxson Lynch until he gets the combines. All of a sudden you evaluate the tape and then the next thing, you know, it's like, wait a minute, now a team might not considering because being spooked and this and this and that. So again that's something that's

just the hazards. You know. Paxson Lynch is a guy I absolutely love and I and I will continue to do so. But but it's all it's fascinating me to hear now a shoulder potentially knee stuff and all that. And but I will remember when we traded for Brett Farve, they told us that he had a degenerate hip, you know, and then and it was and it was going to be bad, and en it playing twenty years, so you know,

and Jeremiah Trotter is another guy Philadelphia bad knee. I had a doctor telling me in Philadelphia, Hey, Brian, I don't know if he's gonna play ten years or ten games. So you know, you just these medicals. You just kind of hold your breath on and hope you got the right guy. Okay, So right now we're gonna do a little a little twitter on the twenty. Thanks to Ed K. Hill for always putting us together a long time ago. So Dave take it away, all right. This one is

very pertinent to what we were just talking about. Ken wants to know in light of this Jalen Smith press conference and everything that we're learning about him. We were talking about whether he's a first round pick. Do you feel comfortable taking him at thirty four knowing that he's a red shirt. I mean, it's very unlikely he contributes it all this year. It's obviously for us we might that might be completely different than what you know, the Cowboys think or another team. I still think he goes

in the first round. As long as we're talking about just like a red shirt, we're not talking about long term issues. And you know, it's a speculation right now until we know for sure what the injury is in the rehab process and recovery. As long as it's just a red shirt and there's no long term damage, I still think he's going to go first round. I don't think one of those playoff teams that Cardinals, the Broncos, one of those teams will take a chance on him.

But if he is there at thirty four, I guess it depends who you take a pick number focus if you if you take a quarterback, for example, then you're essentially taking two red shirts and with the first two picks, right. But but honestly, I think Jane and Smith has the best film of anyone in this entire class. So that's fair, that's a fair point. I mean, he can, he can just he's one of the few guys in this class

who can actually take over games from the defense. So if he's there at thirty four and the medical even if it's even if it's gonna be a red shirt, yeah, as long as the nerve damage is and as long as there isn't actually nerve damage there, then I would d runs to plodium if he's there at thirty figuring, Yeah, there's teams, and I always look at the teams out West, and I'm talking about Arizona, and I'm talking about the

Rams now, the La Rams, those teams. San Francisco is a team that remember when Harbaugh they had multiple picks and they and they took the South Carolina running back. Yeah, and and all of a sudden, you know, you get teams. It might just say, you know what, Saint Louis with two second round picks. If this kid slides through and all of a sudden gets past Dallas at thirty four.

Now you're talking about Saint Louis at forty three. I meet the Rams, the Rams at the La Rams at thirty four or at forty three, then here you go. I mean that they they've done this before. They've they've taken guys before and kind of you know and worked it through. They did it last year with Gurley and they in Arizona. Last year they took DJ Humphries in the first round. The tackle he's gonna be yeah with

the idea of red shirt. Yeah, Bruce Harrian said that, yeah, yeah, And so you know it's a little different position by position, but same type of mentality. You know, at some point he's a value pick. You pick them even if he's not gonna play for you. This year, it will pay off long term. Well, if any team knows about the severity of the injury, the Cowboys do their doctor again. Yeah, great point. Um Schmidt wants to know. And for all

intents and purposes, we're considering Miles Jack a mike right now? Sure, I am Miles Jack. Reggie Ragland compare and contrast? Do you like maybe Rat? I mean, Ragland's a pure mike. Jack is obviously consideration versatile guy. Right Who do you feel better about there as a mike? Yeah, as specifically as a MIC linebacker. I still prefer Jack Um just because of his versatility. Uh. You know, if you want him to drop in space and cover, he can do

everything that you want. Where Raglan? And still the question, is he a three down linebacker? Yeah, exactly, he's He's a garbage man in the run game, cleans up the trash. I think that's the best way to describe him. He's an explosive striker downhill. But again, you know, is he an every down linebacker? He does have some limitations, and because of that, uh, gimme Jack Danie Ragland is probably a better run defender. I just think I just feel like he has better instincts, he can get off blocks,

take on skills. Yeah, exactly. And but Miles Jack is so much better in coverage, and that's partly because Reggie Ragland isn't even that good. But Miles Jack is one of the best coverage linebackers I've It's probably is the best coverage linebacker I've ever seen. Yeah. So, and the fact is in these games, when with the play action passes and passed on first down and stuff like that, then you can't just have a guy and can't a

guy at mike linebacker who who can't do this? I mean we saw at times, not with Rolando McClain as much, but when Anti Hitchins was filling in, then teams are just basically sending tight ends up the seam and asking Mike linebackers to turn and run. Most of these guys can't turn and run. I mean, Luke Keachley is the best in the NFL. If you try and do it against Luke Keatchle, then just look at what Romo did

against the Panthers. He was thrown interceptions. So yeah, I think the think too that I think Dane made an excellent point. We don't know what Reggie Ragland can do as a drop linebacker if he has to play on the field. And I think the three down questions in Alabama what they did, he was a sick um linebarer, hand in the dirt here we go, So there's there's

a lot, there's fewer questions about coverage. And then as much as the Cowboys played Nickel, you know, having him and Sean Lee on the field at the same time I think would be huge in coverage. This one's just for you, Danny, because of what we were talking about earlier today. No, it's good guy who had a rough rough Friday. Alex Collins, Um, how do you feel? What

do you think about him? Now? Yeah? I mean I wasn't I wasn't too high and Alex Collins going into this either, I mean me and Dame both said that we were both on and Jonathan Williams prospect. But yeah, Colins had a really bad day to day, but bad in the three cone road. Didn't run fast in the forty And to me that's a translates onto tape as well.

The reason why he seems to succeed in college is just because he's slightly better than the opposition in every single facet Whereas if you if you look at him in comparisons with these other running backs in the class, and I just don't think. I don't think he's I don't think he has the speed, and I don't think that's the athleticism of them. I don't even think he has the should know if the man, honest thing, you like him better than Dan? And Dan do I do?

What do you think I do? I mean around? You know I had him in the third round. You think I'm not You know, he's one of those guys that I think the tape is always going to be better than how he works out. But where is he in your pecking order in terms out of the running well? I pro Site, I'm always with the Dixon Booker pro Sie lineup and then and then now give me the rest of these guys. Let me figure out who the

rest of these guys are. And Collins has always been that guy to me, I think I like pro sits better than what you guys do. And I thought pro Sites did a nice job today running and all that I thought the best compliment he got listening to the broadcast, if folks had a chance to watch it, Marshall Falk was like, Hey, this kid gets it. This kid gets it in the passing game. I could see him that. I could see some teams doing some things with him. You know, he way he extends for the ball, the

way he was running his routes and all that. The end, I thought that was for me. In my mind, I'm like, well, thank god Marshall fault because he was one of the best, you know, receiving running backs in the gain. But I think that, like I say, it would be Dixon and then you know Booker Procisee. Those are That's how I kind of see that that if you gave me choice of second and two and three linebackers, that's I mean, I mean running backs. That's kind of what I was thinking.

Collins or Henry. I think that I would take Henry over Collins is what I would do. And I posted this earlier today, but I posted all the fumble rates from this class, and Collins is has one of the worst, one of the highest. He fumbled once every forty three touches offensive touches in college. And ideally, to put it in perspective, Zeke is about one sixty and that's what you want. You want at least, you know, I mean the hundreds. Uh that that ball security is a big deal.

So that's something another thing that goes against Collins. My biggest disappointment today actually for the running backs was Calvin Tayler. I mean I've been filming him up on the sharp. Yeah, they touched the ball at all today. It's like he fought it the whole time. Watched him and he run a full sixth on a full six in the in the forty. You know, I just thought he played faster than that on tape. And yeah, I'm surprised to hear

that ye as well. So that isn't helping him with in the catching game, and so yeah, it was a bit of a shine. The tape was better than how he worked out though. Yeah watch him quick. Yeah, and you watch the tape and you're and you kind of like it. It kind of slaps you in the face a little bit. I'll tell you a guy who just and I know it's I know it's not the right position, but Westerman from from Arizona, his his workout, his workout

looks like how he plays on tape. And that's where you get encouraged, like you're going, oh, Okay, yeah, here we go. That's it. But then when a guy like Taylor, you're like, wait a minute, I watched him catch the ball, I watched him run this one. I mean, I watched him look faster. That's where it gets you. Maybe the fact and these kids will improve, they'll go to Gainesville, they'll get better times on him. He won't look like as bad as he did to Dan. Don't believe you

know what? I love though, as like, if I'm make an excuse for it. If you like the guy, you're like, his prone will be better. Watch the tape if you don't like. But if you I don't like the guy and he's bad, you're like, he's a bomb. Get him. Yeah, if if he did something too that, yeah, if you know. But I'll tell you what. Though, I brought up Westerman. We talked about White here that maybe that gap closed a little more in some team's eyes though about but

then again, you know, we'll see. I think Westerman can play guard. I'd like to try him at center a little bit too, all right, I want to I want this one is interesting to me and I move around

guys right here. AJ wants to know this room, this guy reminds me of Eric Armstead from last year, just in the sense he doesn't well actually the same school, so yeah, but it it's it's it's just you're I don't care about the player so much as just the situation is, like we've established not really fitting what the Cowboys are trying to do, but he keeps cropping up, and so I just want to definitively hear from y'all.

Is it even realistic to think of him as a one technique for three defensive tackle or is just shut up and let DeForrest Buckner? Go? Go, go and watch David Oving's film from last year. And I mean, I know that he isn't in the prototypical fit in Rob Marlandi's scheme at all, but the tall guy. Yeah, but David Irving, I mean, obviously Bootner was a much better play than Aving, but Loving was really disruptive in that scheme.

He was able to get off the ball and he was able to use his length, And I wouldn't say that I'm not sure that Bouttner is a right fit for the Cowboys, but if if they drafted him at four, I'm not sure complaining either, because I think he could play left. I think he could play right three one. Just move him all over, that's right, I agree. I mean I like him better. I think his best fit as a two gapper in a three four. Let him

play a five technique. He's a much better player than Eric arn But at the same time, I think he's good enough where he can fit really any scheme. You one, he can play even or odd. He can play on the outside. And I'll explaining even an odd to people that might be watching three four four three the fronts an odd front or an even front, and in a three four, I mean he's head up over the tackle, you know, two gap and we're in the four to three.

Might you can't play outside the tackles, shoulder kick inside. I think you can do a lot of things with He's not limited just with his skill set. Now, is he a bit taller? Does he play taller at times? Yes, and that you know negates the leverage. But he's so powerful, he's athletic, he's flexible. You can do things with him, and so he is scheme versatile. He is a fit. Is he an ideal fit? Probably not, but he's still a fit. He can still be disruptive. Let me ask

you this and just hear me out. And I'm not trying to bash this guy, but would you be surprised if they liked him better than Bosa as a potential what you just described as a you think both. I mean, we all think that Bosa can play you know, left in. You think he could play some right in. We think he could play some three technique. Yeah he is. Butckner a more versatile player and could in the upside of

him be more than what you had with Bosa. That's a great question because I think you're weighing two different things. With Buckner you have the sheer talent and the physical ability and some upside, where with Bosa you have a little more technique, you know, a better understanding of how to use his strength to beat blockers and be productive. So you know, if the Cowboys think they can coach the rest out of Buckner, wouldn't shock me at off.

They seem more upset there. Yeah, but if you're a twitchy player, you can basically play anybody in Rob Maeronandi's screen, Rooni's scheme. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I Bookner ahead of Bosa because Bosa he is limited by lack of just natural quick twitch five quiers. So like with with Bookner, you could as long as he can get off the ball quickly and he can, and as long as he can. But I guess I personally

would still like Bosa had a Bookner on my ball. Sure, if it's if they if they want just a versatile guy there who can create pressure from any spoty ones on the line, then then yeah, Bookner would be fit. Yeah. I agree with Dane Noo. He's a three four defensive is that's where he can be great? I just can't And I feel like the Cowboys are sticklers for what fits their scheme. Yeah, but it's the it's the you know, they get us on this, they get us on this

multiple position thing. They did it with they did it with their safety Yeah, they did it. They'd love to do it with their linebackers, and they're talking about it with their defensive line. Now. The kids said he met with the Cowboys, but he but they're really interested as well. Was it a formal interview? Yeah, okay, I think, But I think you can say the same thing about Joey Bosa too. Sure, I mean and that's I think that's probably half the reason they like him so much in

my opinion. I don't know if do we cover the interviews or you know, how it works. Each team gets sixty formal interviews at fifteen minutes each. So uh, if he's one of those formal interviews, you can figure the Cowboys have a chance to talk to sixty of these guys here. Um, so you know it's like twenty percent of the guys here probably right, Yes, I mean, let's see if they bring him in on the thirty was right, and that's that's It says a lot that they've interviewed

with him here. But you know, I'm not sure how much it says when they start building the board. That's what'll try for the for the for the layman. I guess maybe that sounds insulting, but to the fans. I just last year, I mean from the get from about a month d I was like, get Eric Armstead out of your mock. No, that's wrong. Yeah, so you're telling me I shouldn't feel that way about But no, I had a scout. I had a scout tell me after and Kyper was the first one to do it because

his first draft. He picked Buttner Yeah at that spot, and I had a scout walk up to me and go, when did we start drafting thirty four defensive ends here? So that's what I'm saying, and I went, I go, Yeah, I was kind of curious because I go, I've seen the guy play and that's where I think his best

position is. So the fact that they talked to him, maybe they're looking at this draft in a little bit different way of, Hey, we don't really want to draft Bosa, you know, let's find a let's find a candidate that could be maybe comparable to Bosa. That's kind of what I'm in diligence. Yeah, But it goes back to David Iving from last year because I never thought that David

Oving would be a success in the Cowboys scheme. I just thought it was gonna be one of these guys who was on the Cowboys roster for the requisite three weeks and then they just cuts him because he wasn't so you never saw him play inside of Kansas City then, no, See, that's what I'm saying. I watched him play like three technique Kansas City and he wasn't bad, and they started now playing him with some defensive end as a rusher. So I loved him in Iowa State. Yeah, good tape.

I thought Kansas City ran a three four? They do? They do? Okay, that makes sense. They were shipped and put him down makes way more sense. Now. Oh goodness, gracious, where are we? I had a good one. You need to star him. Oh that's ah, that's not a bad idea. Um, all right, well this this is an interesting one. Um, we're talking I mean we're talking real question. It's a real question. We're talking about. We're talking about what we whatever we were talking about Kimdici Yeah, Um, we're talking

about Noah Spense. Given what happened with Randy Gregory. Uh, so, who impresses you most, that strikes you more as a right kind of guy? I'll throw Joey Bosa in there too. I mean, he had a suspension. He's not a choir boy. Um who stands out to you as a choir boy? That that that maybe he's in play for the Cowboys at four in general, honestly, going forth, going for But I think later in the draft is interesting too, because I mean, we know about the guys that are in

play it for. We know too much about it, could Spence being play it for no after what you've kind of heard from him today, if he's if he's given that message to teams, he hasn't said anything that we didn't already know or you know, we didn't hear at the Senior Bowl. Um. I mean, it's just all it's good to hear it, you know, and reinforce it, and

you know his path to redemption continues, and that's great. Um. But again, you know, as much as we talk about the off field, the on field is a very talented pass rusher, but I still don't trust him versus the run. Um. I know his arms were a little bit longer here, but at the same time he doesn't quite use them effectively all the time. And so as much as I do like him as a pass rusher, I still have

playing of questions about him as a run defender. Okay, I think you honestly, if you want, if you want to high carts picked him before, then you go to type one of these quarterbacks because to me cost him when Jared Golf packs to lynch all these guys, I mean even the glass light you running the draft, these quotes about some scenes he quite high carrit To say when you hear them speak, I've been impressed by all

of them. Actually when they were all in the defensive though, and even Christian Hackenburg was lobb and grenades into the middle of the things, kind of like, hey, look at me over here, you know. I mean, well, that's I mentioned. You know, we talked about Dak Prescott. Um. You know, I think that's kind of where my mindset is right now. Is this team not drafting a quarterback at four and then the third or fourth round. Dak Prescott's gonna look

awfully appealing. Listen to Dan for several reasons, and one of them being his sterling and chant intangibles. His leadership is poised, the way he handles himself. I watched the LSU tape. Uh you see him just you know, correct it up. Sorry, you see, And I mean he was the reason you're put the offense on his back, and you know he made the things happen. So I think Dak Prescott would be a perfect example of a good

character guy, guy you can trust. Uh don't have to worry about them at all, whether he's in the building or not. Who could be on the Cowboys radar. I'm gonna sound like you. But just for the record, h Miles Jack. Yeah, and that's right. I loved it today when he I mean, he got a million questions about his knee. Somebody said, are you tired of hearing about the knee? And he was like, no, not really, because

it's the only thing there is to ask about. I mean, he was like, I don't have any character flaws until he works out March fifteen. Yeah, that's what we're gonna talk about. No, but and and that's the point. There isn't anything else to ask him about because he's a sterling. He's got a sterling reputation. Otherwise, now, all right, we're gonna hear about this. Is Joey Bosa too relaxed? Is he too laid back? I mean, meeting out there with with all of us, you know, he was just very

uh you know, very relaxed, very reserved. You know he said he needed a red bull. Yeah then, and that's what you know. I heard the word when we're walking out of that interview, I heard, you know, some media people sounded like a stone or sounded like he would you know, that kind of thing. Like, but if he comes like that, it comes off like that in interviews the teams, you know, is that would that be a red flag to you if he comes off just you know,

that type of present. I think it to Jason Garrett, it would be he would take a step back. I mean, he's had some bad teammates in his day, guys that were kind of over the top kind of guys, and so he understands you have to have that. But I think he would kind of be taking I think Jason Garrett, he I think the reason why he likes Alabama football players not only because of Nick Saban, and he just likes he knows that football is really important to those kids.

You know, he he understands. He looks at those Alabama kids, he goes, if they could play for Saban, my god, they could play for I mean, they could play for anyway. They got to love football to be on the field at Alabama. So maybe with Joey Bosa, he would look at, you know and say, you know, I don't know, but I Bosa isn't play. Let's not you bring it up

on something out there. It's a very good point. I identify with Joey Bosa because he reminded me of me honestly, a taller version of you, very a much taller version from you know. I mean you carry yourself. He carries himself relaxed, he's laid back. I don't doesn't try to be someone he's not. And that's fair, and I get I get crap about that all the time, and it's you know, maybe I should, maybe I should listen to people's criticisms, But I don't think your demeanor is an

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Combine Radio Row Here at Lucasoil Stadium. Brian Broadest, Dame Brugler, David Hellman, Dan Turner, Gonna be with you for the next fifteen minutes or so. Kay Garrison, the executive producer, actually has been done an outstanding job all week long with the video and then also getting us on air each day, and we really appreciate his fine efforts for all that. Uh had an opportunity today to visit with some defensive lineman and you know, and I was. I

was impressed with a couple of guys. I didn't get a chance to get over and Dave, I think, do you went over did you get to hear Billings? I did. I was at when Danny you were over there as well. What do you think about old Andrew Billings? I and I mean, I know we talked a lot about him as he's in play for that second pick. He's one of these defensive tackles that everybody likes so much. I love I love this interview. He was calm collecting. It

was kind of cool because he was up on the podium. Yeah, but it wasn't like this crush of reporters like there is for some of these guys. You know, there was a crowd, but it was kind of very comfortable setting setting. Yeah, it was a question and people weren't shouting over each other to get their question in. Yeah, what teams have you visited with? Yeah, I hate that question. By the way,

it's so stupid. They ought to eliminate that thing, you know, I mean the think port Jalen Smith was up there, but anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry about with billings here, no, I I it was interesting hearing him talk and he was kind of giving an idea of what he can do and what his game's all about. And I know, um, I know that he's seen as a one technique for the most part, but he was I mean, he was talking about how much he like he he likes to

make plays, he can penetrate, he can get off blocks. Um. I thought it was funny because I'm I mean, he's six flat if that right. I'm like Aaron Donald, Hey, what's up, Aaron Donald? Get in here. Um. But he said the guy that he really loves and like wants to emulate and stuff like that is Wentz WinCE Vince Wilfork, which obviously, I mean, it's a different scheme from what the Cowboys around, but I still thought that was interesting

in terms of what he can do. I mean, Wilfork got so much credit for so many years for base basically freeing up half of the Patriots defense to make plays. If he can do that on top of being able to I mean, I like Nick Haden more than the average person, but if he can even make a few more plays than Nick Haden, then it's a big improvement. Danny, you think he's just a two down player, Yeah, but I do think he can learn more though. I mean, the fact is he actually looked raw on tape in

my opinion, but there are there's definitely flashes in. There's definitely flashes on there. And interestingly, probably after today, I think I actually liked him a little bit more. It just purely because of how he actually looked in person. I mean, he may only be six foot, but this guy looks like a defensive tackle like morehere. Yeah, yeah, you can sell. You can tell he's been a weightlifter and has this air of confidence about him. But it's not cockiness. It's just you can tell he's just a

confident lad and um. But yeah, I think after today though, I just start to like him a little bit more. Yeah, he's he's a good player, and I did like how he said that he prefers the four to three. He wants to be in a four man as well, and so, yeah, I think Andrew Billing he's interesting. I agree with Dan that you know, he is raw in some areas, especially is his ball awareness h and kind of his instincts is anticipation. But physically, when he's healthy, he moves really well.

He's obviously strong. So I'll tell you what though. The thing that I was always impressed about him and man his size though, as far as his weight and his ability to get to the outside, he's not just limited. He's not gonna get hooked. I mean he's gonna keep fighting, keep moving. And you see him get up to feel

that way. And I think that sometimes you get these defensive tackles, especially these ones, and they don't move right, you know, they just kind of get locked on, they get scooped and hooked and and then you don't get a guy that's part of the part of the play at the point of attack. And I mean he talked a decent a bit about that. He's He's like, I'm not just here to take up space, right, I mean, that's not his games go outside. Yeah, um, and I yeah,

I thought that was going and interesting to me. He actually said he used to play offensive line. Yeah, that's what he most offensive and call or in high school that's what he played most offensive line. I thought, I'm the last person who should criticize anybody's height, but he was like, well, I really fell in love with the game on defense. And I was like, are you sure it's just because you stopped growing? I mean, like, you can't play offensive line at a high level when you're

six foot tall. Money. Do you have a chance to see Jarren Reid today listen to him talk? Yeah, a little bit, you know, and I think it was kind of what I expected that there wasn't anything any you know, breaking there. One guy that I did enjoy listening to is Darren Lee, Ohio state linebacker. I really liked what he had to say about how the game is changing with in terms of speed, you know, just the nature

of the game is faster than it's ever been. And because of that, the NFL needs guys like Darren Lead. He's fast linebackers, these versatile guys that might not they're not the Reggie Raglins that we've seen, you know, ten twenty years ago, but they're that new breed, and I think Darren Lee embraces that. And I think some team in the mid first round is going to embrace that as well and use his strengths to impact defense. Talk about me a little bit. I actually really like Lee's film.

I think he has in these things that I can move. But the movie problem with Darren Lee is that there's only so many teams who play a four three, and that means there's only so many will linebacker sports in the NFL, and there's a lot of linebackers out there. There's a lot of undersized linebackers who play. So how many teams actually need, actually need a wild linebacker? And the fact is that Darren Lee is a good player, But the fact is he's only played that he's only

played linebacker. What is it two years or right? Yeah, and he used to be a quarterback before the high school scouts team. See if he has a red shirt, then we've been linebacker the last two years. And he's undersized as well. So there's just quite a lot of not red flags there as such, but just quite a lot of things that just make me concern to potentially take him in the top half of the first round

in your linebacker pecking order. Where is he? It goes Miles Jack Jalen Smith, although this is considering he doesn't have the nerve damage then Reggie Ragland, then Darren Lee. That's the same way. Yeah, yeah, I just I've I've spaced out on Darren Lee for some reason. I don't feel ever you haven't liked him the whole No, No, and and you know, and I think those guys get to go back to and No. I feel like though I felt like I gave the kid his due. I really do. And I felt like that, and correct me

if I'm wrong. Did I catch a bad run of film? Did you know? Did I catch a bad run where? You know I'm watching him I'm trying to watch him against Michigan State, and I'm trying to watch him against Michigan And I'm trying to watch him against you know, these teams that you know I'm not I'm not watching him against Hawaii. You know, I'm watching him against people you know they can they can knock his ass off. That's some you know. Some of his best tape is

from actually the playoff last year. I can to Alabama. Yeah there you got. If I've got, If I've got twelve games of this year, I'm gonna watch twelve games of this year but if I need to go back and watch Alabama level of competitions, obviously what you want. Yeah, I definitely check out those yas. Who did you watch

him play? I mean, you don't have to go back and love no, but that's what I'm seeing when we when we sit down with KT, Jeff and I when sometimes with Dane, I mean, I haven't asked you these questions, like we'll get a run of it. We'll get a run of a tape where they broke They've got a guy broken down, and it's like, okay, skip through, skip

through this one, skip through this. You know they're playing teams. Yeah, if they're playing teams, I don't need to see I don't need to see Joey Bosa like sacking the Hawaii quarterback five times. You know, if he's sacking Michigan. If he's sat sacking that guy five times, you know, I'm like going, okay, you know, I'm I'm I'm digging it. But so that that's where I mean, maybe with Lee

and and I'm with you, I do there. I mean, he's if I look at my sheet, there's there's two guys that I need to go back and study, and I need to go back and study the Robinson kid from from LSU. I think I have an idea what he is, but I'm but I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. No, no, he's not, and that's fine, that's fine. He's a train wreck. But I want to make sure I get him right, you know.

I want to make sure and I think that's our job to try and do that start of the day after Thanksgiving. If you don't get every player I started the minute that Tony Romo was laying on the thousand Yeah, no, be good, no, no, but I just want to make

sure that I have him right. And because I trust what you guys are saying about the player right, you know, and I you know, and if if if I caught a bad run of tape because he was not being productive against you know, the teams that that they go and watch some past heavy teams who they play against. Because his his big advantages is range, so he can get sidelines to sidelines so easily, and he can get

he can turn his hips and run down fields. In all honesty, you probably have to find the best quarterbacks who they played last year and watch those games. Quarterbacks. You can see them on the field tomorrow. Yeah, I was gonna get to that about what some thoughts about that we're kind of a little short on time here. But the way they wow, they are they break up

into two groups. In the first group there will be Goth Hackenburg those probably the two main ones in the first group to second group, or Cardil Jones being the first group to second group wentz Lynch. So the quarter big name quarterbacks we've broken up into the two groups, would just be great to see, you know, one after the other, how the ball comes off their hand. They'll be throwing to these receivers they've never worked with before, so there'll be some bad passes that's going to happen.

Cam Newton had one of the worst combine performances we've seen here, so don't you know, we can't put too much stock into how the performance here by these quarterbacks, but it's still great to see him out go out there and rip it. Yeah, And I think to keep an eye on sometimes these quarterbacks will get a good and I said, good run or bad run of tape. You get a good run bad run of receivers. You know,

they these receivers can make you look bad too. All of a sudden, you're working with guys that are dropping the football and you're going, wait a minute, now, I just put it right on you man, and you're here at the combine and that to catch that ball. I mean, you talk about people not wanting to run at the combine. People will pass on this stuff too, so they can work with their guys back into our school and also too,

flip it the other way. Their receivers that are really good that will catch a bad run of quarterbacks yea, And all of a sudden they're running around and the ball goes six feet over their head and they're looking those quarterbacks like, okay, what Connor Cook? Yeah, what did you just do? The biggest thing I'm looking forward to is the gauntlet. That's my favorite drill for these receivers. If you have questionable hands, you're you're not going to

survive the gauntlet. Well it's going to be exposed. It's funny because Daniel Jeremiah said today on their pre the pre Combine show, he hates the gauntlet drill. He absolutely hates the drills. His argument was, you're catching it and you're getting you're getting away from it. You're just getting getting rid of it. So well. I love the gulden that drill too, because to me, it's the only way that they any time when you had to see these

guys forced to hands catch. So essentially, these guys, if thea's gonna bring their hands together before they got to extend for the ball, right, they're gonna they're gonna get it. And a lot of these guys just call him do that and you'll see that tomorrow. And a lot of it is with the eyes because you're looking this way for the ball, then you have to readjust look this way. Your eyes have to be able to quickly pick up that ball in flight and hand hands catch like you said,

so there are a lot of benefits. I get what DJ is saying about catching it and immediately you getting rid of It's like catch it and get rid of it as fast as you can. Okay, well listen, that's all the time that we have today. One quick reminder, sorry, go ahead. Just tomorrow we get our look at our last big number four prospect and Jalen Ramsey. Sure, yeah that is jal that will be that'll be yeah, back tomorrow, Dave will be all over that and I can say

it's a world wind stuff going on. We lose Dan Brugler tomorrow afternoon, so we'll have to sub out for him. But thank you for a great week. Thank you, my friend, and UH always appreciate your knowledge and your efforts and all that. You're the real MVP DA No, no, no, absolutely all right for so for Dan Burglar, for David Hellman, for Dan Turner, for Kent Gerris, I, Brian Bros. Thank you again for joining us here at the twenty sixteen NFL Scouting Combine. We'll be back tomorrow for our final

show here from Indianapolis, so heay care. We'll see you then, Umber