Draft Show: LIVE @ 2019 Senior Bowl - Day 2

right lights, bright lights, big city. Absolutely, that's David Hellman, I'm Brian Brauns. Dane's the Brugler. I'll tell you we're having all kinds of fun already here though. As we were saying, though, first time guys. Since nineteen ninety two, I've been coming to the practices here in Mobile, Alabama, and I've not been able to see a practice because of weather. Don't Why are you lying to our listeners, Brian, We haven't practice on the team we have here. We

do have practice on thank you. ESPN is Yes they're showing if you you're kind of falling along, yes you can you can watch us, but you can also watch on ESPN. You Uh, this was something that again the weather here in Mobile, Alabama. The rains on percent chance pouring down rain less on us right now. Dan Briggler had to do uh some some work down the down the street, hustled over here real quick to get to be a part of this. Will appreciate your brother. It's

it's wet out. It's uh, there's a little bit of a downpour going on. Certain understand why they canceled. I mean it's been raining all day, Uh for safety reasons. I mean a lot of people are gonna blame. Well, it's ESPN and if a network's fall right, you know, it's been raining all day the fields and no condition to be playing. Hopefully tomorrow it's supposed to be dry, but hopefully the field will be in good condition tomorrow.

You have to worry about these players, Dave, come here with the opportunity to showcase for this is way different than if it was a Thursday or a Wednesday getting ready for a football game. Right. These guys, I mean, and they are technically, but it's right. These guys are here basically out of the goodness of their heart to try to improve their draft stock. The last thing the Senior Bowl wants to do is have somebody tear something in a practice that is not for a competitive game.

So yeah, it completely makes sense. Yeah, I think we talked last night about how much better attendance has been the last couple of years. How's it going to affect attendance if one of your star and attendees tears his achilles on a wet field, No, no thing, And we've been talking about how yesterday we talked about it, how this year we've had fewer dropouts, higher level of talent.

All it takes is for Montez Sweat to slide right into a bleachers and break his leg right, and then next year talk about some of the first round, second round players saying, I don't know if that Senior Bowl is really for me. I think they'll take my chances go to the combine that kind of thing. Yeah, if you see our eyes kind of darting at you and then over, Yeah, we've got that. We've got it on right here to our right. Shouts out to ESPN because

they told us last night. Yeah, we got emails. Yeah. Clearly, the indoor, as you would expect, is a lot smaller than lad People's stadium, So they didn't think they were in South Alabama today home of Gerald ja Ja Jaguars, but Gerald Everett who's playing in the second. They were testing my mascot knowledge, No, I was testing, Yeah, absolutely testing. They play their home games at lad People's but they

have a brand new, beautiful, but indoor facility. Nobody thought they'd be able to televise from the indoor, so this is this is great. Yeah, and the North practice is going on right now, so we are kind of again keeping it on that but we're gonna have this uh this show for you to day and just started, so they're just stretching, getting and so we got time as things as things kind of materialized, we'll kind of shout, shoot a glance over there and kind of talk about

some things. You know, guys, yesterday, Dane, you talked about defensive tackles. Yeah, you know, and you talked about you know, you know when you when you look at when you look at the the kids that are here at the at the Senior Bowl and the guys that you felt like that stood out. Yesterday you were talking about, you know, Wren being one of them from Arizona State, the Texas a and m kid uh Dale mac right talk a little bit more about though, you know Texas A and

m has A has got another one. Yeah, who's the other one? Kingsley Key? Yeah Key. For the longest time, like up until this summer, I thought it was Kekey Kingsley right, And it was like kind of blew my mind and I realized it was the other way around. Yeah. He coming into the year, he had the better career and higher trajectory than Dalen macd ma Right. Dale Mac was a big recruit, you know, high expectations. First three years.

He didn't really live up to it. Uh, you know, talking in September October, I'm you know, Keiki's the better prospect, but Dalen Maccas the season went on, senior season went on, it really kind of proved that he was, you know kind of I mean, someone will look at it and say one year wonder, but he's really hitting his stride and as long as the efforts there, you feel good about him projecting the next level. And he showed it

here in yesterday's practice. How he's got that squatty lower body and even who I compared him to Wash mean, he's two three years ago. Member Javon Hargrave, South Carolina State absolutely and you got him in that, you got him in the Senior exactly he was. It was similar to his story by the way, Javon Hargrave with the Shrine Game live at the at the Shrine Game, A

practices loved him, uh, and then at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, I think it was Wednesday practice, Phil Savage we had when you get injured and say, hey, guys, I'm taking uh suggestions. Is their defensive tackle out there that should be here, deserves them here? We could fight, you know, proximity wise, we would fly him in. I told him, Okay, Javon Hargrave, I just saw him last week. I think he's practice or he's working out in Florida, you know, just a puddle jump from here, bring him over. That's

what they did. Javon Haard Hargrave had a strong Thursday practice, strong rest of the process, and the Steelers took him in the third round. But that's how I think Dala knock who again, a guy came here and he's having a great week. I think he could. He's got that similar you know stout body's got the big bubble and yeah, I think they play similar. So I think he's also working himself into being a possible top one hundred pick. And but Keiki, though, what do you kind of see

with him? As far as you know, and we have some folks out there. In a a matter of fact, one of the Twitter questions I had today were some folks that were interested about these defensive tackles, especially from Texas A and M. With Keiki, I think he's when his first step doesn't work or that first move, he's kind of done. Yeah, he doesn't have the secondary measures, the

calendar measures. That's what I want to see from him this week, hopefully is better hand use, better understanding of Okay, when this doesn't work out, I'm gonna do this, uh, you know, better job setting up blockers. So I want to see that from him. I can't see I saw it in yesterday's practice, but something to look forward to, you know, tomorrow and as we go forward. David Hellman the Dallas Cowboys, with what went on at the end of the season, defensive tackle an area you're going to

look at. I think it's a no. I don't even want to call it a sneaky, big need. I think it's just a need. David Irving probably not coming back to this team even if he does, he's played. I I mean, yes, thank you. Um, Malie Collins is heading into a contract year, Antoine Woods a great, great story, doesn't mean you can't add to the position because also coming off the injury and coming you know, had surgery right after the season was over. That's a good point. Um. Yeah, absolutely,

And see I think you know smartly. I think anybody that listens to this show is aware not to fall in love with a first round defensive tackle. Yeah, but we don't have to worry about that this year. True. Do you think second round too early for this team to see? That's why I want to I want to look I want to look at Yeah, I want to second round. Sure, they found a guy on the street. Like you said, Malie Collins was pick sixty seven nine spots or eleven spots after uh no, nine spots after

fifty eight. So I think it's plausible if you're watching along with us and then happen to have one eye on ESPN, you they are showing Will Greer, the quarterback from West Virginia. I want to get into some of these quarterbacks, even though it's not a Dallas Cowboys need

per se. I want to talk about some of these guys though, because we have fans from other teams that might be looking for quarterbacks, might be wondering how does Will Grier measure to some of the other guys we've kind of seen or are starting to see here in this draft process. Even if you're a Cowboys fan, what shapes a draft class quarterbacks? Yeah, so I thought you. I don't think you can have a full understanding of the way this all shapes up without having a good

idea of where these quarterbacks are going. Flipping it back to the defensive side of the ball, the defensive tackle spot, Dane. Where Dexter Lawrence from Clemson? That's a good name. Why am I? Why am I struggling with Dexter Lawrence? And everybody tells me Dexter Lawrence is a hell of a football player. I mean I think he is. But value wise, impact wise, what where do you where do you draft him?

Because he's not a great pass rusher. I don't I don't care what you've shown me, what stats you show me, he doesn't show on film. Yeah, that's the problem I'm having with him, David. It just it just impact. I mean, I don't know if I'm drafting a nose tackle, a one technique in the top you know, not to sound like you know Stephen Jones, Right, Yeah, it's just the Cowboys front office. Right. Well, I thought this way last year with Vita Vea. I wasn't high on him. No, No,

you were. Again, if I'm drafting a defensive tackle on the top twenty twenty five, I need a pass rusher. I need someone that's going to impact the pocket. I mean, it's great that you're a run stuff for us. Great you can occupy double teams and help others get to the quarterback. But if I'm gonna draft you because I can find those guys, I feel confident I can find those guys later. If I'm drafting you with a premium draft pick, you better give me just a little bit

more than you know. Being a run stuffer and with dextra Lawrence, that's a big question. Can he give you more? I'm not sold that he can. That's why I am I top fifty list. He came in at like forty something, early forties, like forty two, something like that. Um, but I don't know. He it's a planet theory with him, There's only so many people on this planet. That looked like him. Yes, that's why Vita went as high as he did, Right, That's why this kid's probably gonna go

in the top twenty twenty five picks. But I think we both agree that I don't know. There's just something missing there. There is something missing there. This is a familiar I mean, God, we've had this conversation more times than I can talk. But to go back to that point fifty eight is that too rich for I mean, it might be exactly he might be. You might be staring at him at fifty eight. You think he falls that far. I don't think he falls that far. Well.

The question, okay, the question you have is though our team's going to not our team's going to dock him because of the up and down tape. No, because I think they're gonna believe in the traits. Um. I think you look at Vida Vea last year, at the Ron Payne last year. Those both those guys went what twelve and thirteen something like that. Sure, I think Dexter Lawrence is still going to go in the first round. I'd be surprised if he doesn't. Um, I don't see the value.

I have my questions, but I still think he's gonna go high. Um, I mean, look at the playoff games comes and played. Did you see the big drop off on their defensive line. No, you mentioned that. No, you know you didn't see that, and so I don't know. I still think he's gonna go high, though, I will say, even at fifty eight, I still I think Stephen Jones is kind of mantra is gonna hold true. I can't imagine that they are going to draft a D tackle

who doesn't have pass rush ability. I think you're absolutely right. I mean, even Malie Collins was a third round pick. He can rush the back. Okay, what about a Galley Jerry Tillery then from Notre Dame. I wish she was here? Yeah, me too. I was told he was looking for some reasons not to be here. Yeah, he didn't really want to be here, which is kind of a red flag for me, right, added to the red flaglist with him. Okay,

do you want to expand on that. I know there's a lot of scouts that have some questions because he's just uh, because Notre Dame has put some guys in this league here. P Prett regularly last Notre Dame will always put guys in the league question um, especially them offensive lineman. I tell you, when you watch you watch Jerry Tillery's ten best plays from this year, you're gonna fall in love. I mean, you're gonna just buy in, uh with what he offers, that length, that athleticism. There's

there's plenty to like about Jerry Tillery. I don't know. I just I worry about is he gonna bring me what? I you know that that juice day in day out. I don't know. I have some questions there, scouts out questions. I mean, there's there's some character questions from Jerry Tillery that could push them how to the first round, maybe further than people think. There's a slider Dave give them. Hey, well yeah, whoa, whoa, we we almost got the wave.

I like sliders, but I'm I'm a big fan of guys that like to be here, and I'm yeah, that troubles me if somebody's not. Again, you want guys that want to compete, right right. That's that's me talking. But that's also a line, a big line under Jason Garrett. You know they love guys that love football. Can I ask you guys a question? Sorry to Chris Rashard And how is that he going to affect, if at all, their defensive strategy with the draft in terms of defensive tackles,

in terms of what corners they look at. Absolutely, safety. Absolutely. How do you think that affects fifty eight if at all? Well, I think it affects it quite a bit. Well also, I mean, and I you know, he's more established now and we got to see how it plays out. But in a few weeks, you know, maybe there's a title change or a little bit of a roll shift. But he was there from January of last year, so probably he did have a big stick for what he did

with Byron Jones. Absolutely, he moved Byron Jones to corner. Yeah, so he was a part of those evaluations. So I think you will already kind of have a look at that, although you know, with what he did this year, Yeah, I think it's fair to say he'll have even more influenced. They might take his opinion a little more. Oh yeah, his impact or his opinion might make a little more impact in draft meetings when they're stacking the draft board. Absolutely,

and I think that's something pivot to corners that are here. Yeah, this is the a good group of corners. If you're looking for tall, long guys who can run, starts with Isaiah Johnson from Houston, who thirty three and three quarter inch arms, which is silly for a corner He came in at six two and I think a quarter he's gonna run in the four fours of the combine. Dude can blaze. He's a former receiver. You know he has

the ball skills. He's incredibly raw. But if you're talking about the traits, which is that's what we know teams look for, especially this team, size, length, speed, he has it in spades, and I think that he's a guy that needs to be on the radar. Maybe even at fifty eight. I think he's more of a third rounder. But for teams that really value you're picking at the back end of the draft, he's almost have to think around on these guys. We've said that a bunch here

on the draft Jo. I'm just thinking it myself. It's funny because Christopher Shard is a probably a huge part of the reason why in twenty nineteen we're obsessed with tall cornerbacks with long arms. Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely. He works for the Cowboys now, so That's a great point. Dane's absolutely right about Isaiah Johnson. If I go back and look at my notes on him, you know, this guy can jam, he can redirect, he can cover some ground when he runs to big tall wades on a speeds.

Not a question, but I thought he need to be a bit more aware of the football. I thought there were some times where you know, when you when you start talking about him, you know where the ball is. You know, We've seen that with some of the cowboy you know, with a Woozier, with Byron Jones and those guys, And I'm sure it happens around the league too. There's a lot of teams out there to have cornerbacks that don't play with a lot of awareness though for where

the ball is. Dane really messed me up when we did our first show. Because I love to think about draft needs. It's I spent I daydream about it, like when I'm putting my shoes on in the morning. Yeah, and cornerback hadn't even dawned on me. Really, Like d tackles out there, you get Aaron Jones were break it down and even further detail. The only cornerback on this team with a secure future right now is cheeto you got Byron coming into a contract year, Anthony Brown coming

into a contract year. I think he has played well for what they've let him. Byron doesn't have a contract well, he does, he does right now. Right now he's playing on his fifth year. He's up. Yeah, Anthony Brown and

Byron are both up after this upcoming season. Yeah. Jordan Lewis, again, I thought he played well in the spots they gave him, but he's clearly not favored here, probably because of Christopher Shard just from a size standpoint, and so all of a sudden, you know, as good as the situation looks heading into twenty nineteen, it's pretty dicey after that, right. So I think it is something we're gonna have to talk about as we just trying to take a peek at what's going on there at the Jaguars at the

South Alabama indoor practice facility. Is if you're watching us and and also watching the drills that they're kind of focusing on the defensive line. We talked about that a little earlier as we as we opened the show. Uh, They're they're running through the bags. It's something this is all pre practice stuff that we do, as you know when you watch practice when we're at training camp, things

like that. They they run through all these drills get ready for the actually big part of practice where later you'll see the team period. We'll see some one on one stuff. We'll see some nine on seven, some seven on seven full pads today too, by the way, guys, so that's a that's a good sign, and we'll have

some full pads on tomorrow as well. UM. Any other cornerbacks though, Dane that you know is Johnson, is Isaiah Johnson the best one that we can look forward to on the weekend as we watch these the Senior Bowl game unfold. I think that Rocky sin from Temple is the best corner here. Okay, I think he's a top fifty guy. I don't think he'll be. And we talked about him a little last night. Yeah, he's a really good player. UM after him, I think that's when you

there's some debate. Chris Boyd from Texas, Um, I think he's in that mix. Um, Lonnie Johnson from Kentucky. Right, there's some things missing in his game, but another guy, big, long, he can play, so he's gonna be in that mix. The Penn State kid. Yeah, So you know, I think there's we're all and we're talking about big, physical, long corners, all of them, and so they're kind of gonna be in the same mix and that right around fifty eight, you know, and it's just right, where is that too

early for them? If you wait till the third round? Can you still get a guy that you like? Um, that'll be the debate at fifty eight, because it's it's an interesting spot picking that late in this round. It is, and you know, we go back. You talk about Lonnie Johnson from Kentucky and I was looking just through my notes a guy for a tall guy, I thought he turned pretty well, you know, quick with his reactions. Felt it felt like he can close on the ball pretty well.

But the thing I had, I didn't I didn't see deep speed, Dane. That was what I kind of worried about. I saw some separation there. I mean he billy staying route with and then all of a sudden at the end, there was a separation there. So we'll see if that carries over to the game this weekend as we get ready for the seventieth Senior Bowl Game here Immobile, Alabam Okay, we're gonna take our first break of the day. When we come back, we're going to hit your Twitter questions here.

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go to Dame Brugler here in just a minute. He's going to tell us some highlights or things that were noted. We had cool reporters at the practice, so they were able to kind of type things up for us and give us a little bit of idea. We do have our eye on the television screen here where where the

South team is practicing right now, if there's anything developing there. Again, they're going through their drills with their position coaches and stuff, and so kind of a kind of wish we were there watching these drills because it kind of gives you an idea about foot quickness and ability to turn and all that. So we'll watch the table later. Absolutely, we'll figure it all out. We'll figure it out, okay, real quick. Day.

Before I get to the twitter on the twenty, I want to go with Dan, just give us a little bit of what happened, some things that happened at the early at the North practice this morning. So if you just little tidbitsum, we'll talk more in death later we get more details. But Donald Para, the that's intense. We talked about him last night six eight. He was injured. I'm not sure how serious or not, Um, but he was hurt. He had to leave Daniel Jones through a

pair of picks, uh and team drills. That's the quarterback from from Dan A wide receiver who I can't remember if you mentioned him yesterday, but if we didn't, we should have because he had a really good first practice. Penny Hart. Uh, Bobby Belt somewhere right now, Bobby, Bobby Belting. He is smiling right now that I didn't see his five eight wide receiver out there, runner say, the diminutive wide receiver out at Georgia State. Who's he talking to

Andy as Abella? And in a similar vein you know, talk about foot quickness and the ability to separate. Penny Hart was doing that all day yesterday, and I think he's he showed he's able to do that here today today's practice. So that quickness, that's that opened some eyes and I think that's Penny Hart's definitely a name you're gonna be hearing more and more. Penny Hart. Yeah, Bobby Belt came up with that. Bobby, We love you. Thank

you for always coming up with great names. Okay, David Hellman, give me a little that Twitter on the twenty twenty, Yeah, I want to all right, I want to start off. I mean, I got some questions too, but this is like a conglomeration question because from yesterday until now, like ninety five people have asked me about this guy, which, uh makes sense because we're based in Texas. So if y'all could shed some light on Charles Amani who for me?

Perhaps men who a mina who? Damn it? Whatever you took when you took a page out of my took a page out of the broadest book. Yeah, it's January, I'll get it. Yeah, I mean, first of all, we had to start with the length. Let me get to make sure I get it exactly right. Yeah, thirty six and a half in charms. Yeah, that's silly. Yeah, I mean that's if you're I mean, we we when we go to the combine, he might be the only one that has hits thirty six, you know, like thirty six

is a great number. Thirty six and a half is awesome. And we need to explain how they measure real quick, because because because yeah, your mom, your mom measured her hand yesterday, right. My mom happened to listen in the Draft show yesterday and she heard about our hand to measure, right, so she was your chance to measure arms. Now, she was curious, how you know her hands? So she put a ruler down, she spread out her hands. Oh did they stretch her? They stretch her. She just she just

did it on her own. Oh seven and three quarters. Yeah, the same size hands as Hunter. From here on now it's he's now Hunter, mom hands Renfro exact is his name? Yeah? Uh? And then talking about length, yeah, hands straight out, straight out and from the and from the joint right on the top of the in the joint all the way out to your index finger. Right. So when your measure when you when you talk about arm length, it's not like, okay,

measure that. It's they take it all the way out and then they measure in the joint and then all the way to the end of your your finger. And a lot of times what they do is they'll take a tape measurer tape it on the wall, right, and so you just stand flat back against the wall and just yeah, put your arm out like that and see how it goes. Yeah, And they do it too, and they measure when they do the vertical, they measure right, you know, they measure that way with the arm going

up so they know how much the reach is. So anyway, good but a good player though, right from Yeah, Omenta who he is a really good player. Uh, he's a guy who Texas they played that bass kind of three to four defense, and so he played head up over the tackle a lot. Didn't really get a chance to show off that edge speed on a consistent basis. But he's a good athlete and with that type of length, you've got something to work with. And so, Omenta who

he played you're during practice? You saw him line up a lot of times inside and so I'm eager to see how they use him throughout the week if he gets more reps outside. You know, do the teams consider more of a five technique? Where is his fit? That's a big question. Yeah, you know, it's funny that it was. I was yesterday you talk about guys that fits and what they do. Did you notice Zach Allen at all

yesterday day? From Boston? He wrote about Zach Allen? Yeah, I noticed, and not in a good way though really, to be honest, Yeah, but I didn't. I didn't. I mean I probably could have missed a couple of good reps for him. I felt like that you know when you watch him play. I was not the big Zach Allen fan though, and and and the problem I had with Zach Allen because I thought he struggled to get off to get off the blocks, you know, but I

thought yesterday was a better day for him. And that because I did, there was some some times in the one on one stuff where I was like, Okay, oh maybe I need to get maybe I need to you know, but there was he just doesn't have a lot of pass for ushmsing there people talking about him. It's like, you know, like first round great, Well I think he yeah, he could be a first round guy, but yeah, he's not.

That pass rush is on his thing. He's a better He was better when they put him inside playing tackle a little bit. Yeah, he did both at Boston College. Inside outside, Um, he has ah, he's not that you know, speed demon off the edge. I don't. I don't want to hear. Pass for rush is not his thing about a first round guy. He's a left end. He is right, He's a bass end who is a good football player. He's gonna play the run. Well, yeah, he can do a lot of things. He'll give you a pass rush.

It's just not as special. He showed a better pass rush yesterday than what I've seen on tape. We're talking about Yeah, we're talking about guys that were ends and ends and tackles and stuff like that. Yeah, he was a guy. I mean, I'm like, man, he looked just awful on tape and then you see him live, maybe just a little bit better. All right, as long as we're doing this, I'll just knock out a question from Buddy. Buddy wants to know about DeMarcus Christmas. Florida State. Florida State. Uh,

I don't know his tape, Like I don't know. I it's hard to get a good read off him off his tape. But I liked his junior stuff, and then coming into this year, I kind of had a high expectation coaching change their problems. You think, well, that's that was putting that created a lot of Florida State. Yeah. Um, but aside from that, you know, yeah, he I don't think he played. He didn't play a high number of snaps um, but he's he's a big guy and he can move. I thought he actually had a good first

day of practice. Yeah, he had some reps better yesterday than he had all season and so he's gonna be one that's a little tough. Yeah, but with Christmas, he when you watch his tape, he's not gonna blow you away. But there's something there. I mean, his junior stuff was good. He's playing well here. It's he's gonna be tough one

to figure out. Okay, here's one which I'm gonna I'm gonna revise Matt's question because he says, who is this year's vander esh which like, okay, yeah, sure, let's just try to figure out who's going to the Pro Bowl right now. But it's nice to see, by the way, if you're watching a Dallas Cowboys dot com, Nick Eatman and whole crew there, Yeah, so check that out for sure. But all right, so let's revise that. And we talked so much last year about ascending players. Who are some

ascending players, preferably guys that are here. But if somebody really jumps out to you just overall, I need to talk about him. I need to coin those words. Yeah, yeah, you do for me, for me, this is this is it's not even close. And okay, yeah, and who you got jump take my guy take No, I'm gonna take your guy get ready for this. I don't think I know you're gonna take my guy. I'm gonna take your guy. Get ready to play for Relabama? Absolutely, Yeah, there you go.

That's where. That's where, Like I said, I was just pulling my notes on Josh Jacosh Jacob Josh Jacobs Universe childcat quarterback. No, just badass overall. How about that? Just go ahead and just say that about the young man. I mean it now, the measurables. You're looking at a guy that's five eight, two hundred and thirteen pounds legitimate speed says four four nine. I think he's faster than that. He's only five eight five nine. He wears number eight.

He looks like a way bigger matter dude than that. Yeah, okay, but he's built. I mean yeah, he has built, you know. And that and that's the thing about him is that, did I take your guy by the way I did take Yeah, this guy's got elusive balance. I mean, I mean his it's unreal. I mean, he he will, he will. He's got some complete back traits to him as well, though, because he'll stand in their pass protect if you let him, you know. But the best thing he does, this guy

breaks the fenders down in space. He's when it. When it's all said and done, people are gonna talk about him a lot. I have a feeling, Oh he's he's a first right. If there's a running back in this draft, he will go first round. Maybe this kid. Yeah, um, it's just crazy. He wasn't He wasn't even the regular star. Well he was. He was a third stringer for to start that year. He moved to the second string and classic Alabama is the third stringer is a bigger badass

than the starter. So and well, and Damian Harris is you know, awesome running back. I think he's the top one hundred guy. But he's not Josh Jacobs. Yeah. So and we we'll see how Jacob's Uh. I think he's gonna do well to combine and I think he's gonna have uh. You know a guy we talk about as a possible first round pick leading up to the draft. So he definitely qualifies as an ascending player. I'll give you a guy I was hoping you would who was

going to be here, but he's hurt. Jelani Tavai from Hawaii. Oh, the linebacker. I think I think he's an ascending player. Who again, don't sleep on this kid. He gave the second round right now? Yes, okay, that's what I thought. Peep. There are people out here who say his name one more yeah, the p A v I A E or I. Yeah. I don't go to Brian for spelling k A v Ai. Listen he there are people that cover the draft that don't even know about this kid yet, like he is

a big time players. They're not wrong. He's not here because he has a shoulder that need that he's rehabbing. Um. But we'll see if he's okay. I don't think he's gonna be okay for the combye. We'll see if he's okay for a personal workout, play to day type thing. Um thirty five right now? Who can move? I mean we talk about you know, vander Esh like he's not Vanderesh because he's not that type of athlete and there are some questions there. But with Tavia, he can move,

he can cover, he can he plays with power. Uh. You know, we we watched Josh Oliver tape the tight end who was here from San Jose stage? Here? Did we watched Gilani Tavai carry him up the scene without not letting him separate. I mean, really impressive stuff. He is a three down linebacker who I think he's a top sixty pick and people are gonna be surprised when he goes so early. But people listening to this won't be GI me tell you, give me tell you where

he's better in college than than Vanderesh. I didn't have on take just dogged Layton for months about how he wasn't physical enough. I hear you, Yeah, I hear you. There there were I wasn't the only one I know. I wasn't the only one to take that dig. No, No, I say, this guy, this guy right here though, I mean, okay, he's got to be careful when he gets too tall here though that's sixty three. He'll play a little upright on you. But I'll tell you what though, this is

a physical s ob. I mean this guy, will you tell talk about run to the football, play with his hands, physical take on. He can redirect Dane's Ryan. He can cover too, That's the thing. I mean. You watch him play, and you know you talk about guys that don't come off the field. This cat doesn't come off the field. So yeah, keep an eye to Vy Number thirty one from Hawaii. Hey, yes, because this is why people listen to this show in the first place. Let me tell you.

Let let me tell you a guy, and maybe Dane will disagree with but I think this guy is going to rise up to charts when it's all said and done. And maybe I'm wrong about where he is right now, read the name. We'll see. I just want to make sure I will find the name I was considering another player. We'll see us. Okay, this is who it is, Riley Ridley. That's who it is. Are we really calling him ascending player?

Like everybody knows Riley Ridley. But but in the in the grand scheme of where everybody is, where they're ranking these receivers, he's getting slept on. Oh I think everybody's sleeping on this guy a little bit. I think people

know him because his last name is Ridley. Yeah. Yeah, anybody played at a name program at Georgia, you know me career yards he had at Georgia like a thousand well, because he really only came on in his final year there, which I guess goes to your point that you watch the National championship game two years ago because Alabama, Yeah, yeah, watch that. But but you can watch this game, watch lsu Vandy tennis seems and he just makes plays. He's a I mean, he made my top fifty list. He's

I mean, we're he's not a secret. He's not looking. I'm just saying, when you look at all the other wide receivers in this thing, I mean, I don't think people you okay, you're right, which, okay, I should you know, the conversation is ascending and not under the radar. Right, He's not under the radar. When it's all said done, he could he be one of the top three wide receivers in this draft. Oh absolutely, yeah. Well, because this this draft and we've talked about wide receivers, I don't

have a first round one right now. By the way, I think the highest guy on my list music to my ears, Yeah, highest guy in my list is twenty three overall or something. I mean, you know, but I went I Metcalf Harmon Marquis Browne. It's gonna be I'm telling you, Mattcalf went to old Miss Marcus brown Is, Oklahoma. We're gonna get the other guy. We're gonna get filled with harm Okay, I don't know that one. We're just

trying to keep people up to speak. Here's the thing with these wide receivers is, by the way, Deebo Samuel just caught a ball for the about wide receiver South Carolina. We're talk about him in a minute. So I had a nice day, yes, straight, by the way too, he did. He did. He's kind of jostling with India Isabella to be the top receiver here. Uh lost my train of thought. Wide receivers at the top. That's why I'm talking. I talked to a lot of people down here, and when

wide receivers come up. When we talked about Marcus Brown, some have said he's going top fifteen, right, He's going high Hollywood, right, Yeah, and he like a d D clone, doesn't he weigh like one hundred and fifty pounds one hundred and seventy five. Oh, but top fifteen? John Ross went nine. How that work out? Not very well? People don't learn from mistakes. No, people look at that and say, don't watch his day. Yeah, don't bust my team to

Bengals Bengal fans, that's at DP Brugler. By the way, I said, what teams will say, that's stay on target. But all right, back to mine what I was saying, Deshaun or some look at the see DeShawn Jackson, He's going top fifteen. Others look at him and say the size one hundred seventy five, the durability, he's the second round pick. A lot of different opinions. DK metcalf six four, two hundred and thirty pounds, four four speed, a freak show. Uh, he's going to go top fifteen, while others say a

couple big injuries. He's still second round, you know. So there's so many different opinions on these wide receivers, no consensus, and it's anyone's guess when the first one is gonna come off. Foard. Yeah, I keep an eye on Dylan Mitchell by the way, from way he's in Nelson, Agalore. Clone. Yeah, there you go, there you go real quick before we do this next. But I'm just I'll combine these into two because they're the same thing. Essential job on new

players or something. Tyler Tyler wants a round projection ish on Debo, the South Carolina receiver who's here in Mobile. And then Christian wants the same thing for Anthony Johnson, the guy out of Buffalo who's here this week. So just kind of where do you think those two stack up in the You got a ballpark on the old board. You know. Coming into the year, I thought Deebo I

have not seen him yet. I don't, okay, based on his junior stuff and well, because he missed most of last year with a broken leg or ankle, and so he missed like almost all of last year. But going based on off his tape from previously, when I watched over the summer, I gave him a late first round grade. I loved him. I thought he could be a big

time player. Then this year you could tell he spent a lot of this year and knocking the rust off, you know, trying to regain his old form that he showed as an underclassman, and we finally started to see it down the stretch. We're seeing it some here. So you know, I'm a big fan of what Deebo Samuel could be. I think he's one of the best yards after catch receivers in this draft. Aft He's a playmaker in that regard. What's his long speed? Um is he

guy's gonna be easily separate down the field. He did yesterday a couple of times against Rock Your Sin sure. I thought he had a pretty good opening practice. So Debo right now, I put him in say the forty to seventy five range, And I know that's kind of a big range. But you know, when we talked about these receivers, there's different opinions on them. And you know what's what's Debo's role? Is he a slot guy? Is

he an outside guy? How did you know? Teams are kind of split on what his role is, what his best fit is. And so I think there's a wide variance of where he could go. And if he went forty first, wouldn't surprise me. He goes seventy second, wouldn't surprise me. So I think he's in that in that room range. And then Anthony Johnson, I'll tell you, I hate to just boil it down to a forty yard dash, but forty or dash is gonna be important for Anthony Johnson.

I think he might be the most polished receiver here just with his understanding of timing and routes and how to work back to the quarterback and you know, really help out his quarterback. But how fast is he is he gonna be separate, maybe maybe worse. And so there's a lot to like Anthony Johnson. Jadeveon Clowney's cousin, by the way, um and he's got u uh Jadeveon Clowney his cousin. And he's not the guy that went to

South Carolina. Yeah. Hey, well and he he he grew up in South Carolina, didn't have the grades, went to Juco, went to another Juco, was supposed to go to Oklahoma State and then that didn't work out and because of grades, and then went to Buffalo. So he's had a little winding career, but the last two years he's been outstanding. Uh, you know, the best mac receiver, one of the best receivers and in college football. So he's had a good

week here so far. And eager to see how he tests because that could have an influence about how high he's graded and where he ends up going. But he's he's a day two player. It's just a matter of where on day two. Yeah, you know. The thing with Anthony Johnson though, to me, is that I saw a guy that did a really good job of tracking the ball. Yeah, you know, I mean, and and you're right, I think he's got some He's physical with the ball in his hands, he's he could be a little nifty if he has to,

but he doesn't give up on routes. That's where I was. I mean, I I was. You know, sometimes guys get frustrated when they run routes, and he didn't look like he. He just keeps working, you know, and and you know he likes to get him on the move and get him the ball. That's kind of what they were doing. He's got a quarterback too, that kid. That kid can Jackson, and Jackson can chunk it. I mean he can chunk it, you know. And that I mean you and you can

see it. Chunk it or chuck it, chuck it, chunk it, whatever you want to whatever you want to do, whatever it takes. Yeah, whatever it takes. I mean he could. He could was my josh Allen Cardell Jones the blender. Yeah, is that it's it's it's tough. I mean, it's it's true evaluation, is what it is. My My love affair with Cardell has not panned out, although he is still in the league. Yeah, so I think we have a bet about whether or not he we do. I made it, well,

I don't. I definitely made a bet with Kavanaugh. Yeah, he owes me, he owes me, like one hundred dollars if Cardell ever makes a Pro Bowl. So he's looking safe right now. And if he doesn't, I paid him five dollars in advance, and so it was like twenty to one odds, so I don't think I'm getting that money back. Yeah, it wasn't a good Yeah, that's okay. All right, thank you guys out there for the twitter on the twenty. When we come back, you know what we like, I say, we trying to focus in on

everything about all positions. I want to get into some of these quarterbacks, and I just want to do it from the standpoint of the Senior Bowl quarterbacks, because again this game will be this Saturday. But I wonder if you're a fan of another team and you're a quarterback needy team, I want to get into a couple of these guys and see what Dane Burger has to say about him. So we'll do that next. If you're like me and you love I mean, if you have a thing,

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I want to get his question answered though right now we got well we got I don't want to get on his quarterbacks. But I'm feeling good about everybody around the world. I just love Danish people. In the draft show Danish peep Uh. He wanted to know about Halte fro Holt. I hope that I know Arkansas offensive lineman Danish. So I get. I get why he wanted to hear. You're about to give me a scouting report of the scar. Yeah, of course he is. I mean he played at Arkansas.

I knew Dane would know him good. He Um grew up playing rugby, started to getting interested in football, and he came over to the States when he's a sophomore in high school. Played at Warren G. Hording High School. That's where I'm from, That's where you're from. Played there one year. He played with James Daniels Leshaun Daniels Um and then there's some kind of rule where you can only play one year if you're overseas player, foreign exchange student,

you can only play one year at high school. So he went back to Denmark for his junior year, then went back to the States for a senior year, played in Florida and went to Arkansas. He had all types of recruiting offers. Goes to Arkansas, he was a you know, a three year starter at Love Guard. Really athletic guy. He moves really well. Love the body can roll. M He needs to get better with some technique issues, some power issues. But he was at the NFLPA game. Honestly,

I'm surprised he's not here. I thought he was worthy of a Senior Bowl invite. I think he's a mid round pick and a guy who might be talking about as sending players. He might be one of them. Okay, one more time for me. Yellda frohold yelled ye. People in Denmark listening to the draft show, I love it. We appreciate y'all. It looks like you got a little nine on seven going on here from the practice at the Senior Bowl. Again, they're inside today, we're unfortunately we're

not there watching. We will be tomorrow though, And uh, I wanted to get into a little bit again. We're trying to be a full service show here, you know. And and the Cowboys don't have a first round pick. You know, they drafted a quarterback last year, you know, with Mike White, who I really really liked. I'd like to see Mike White develop a little bit. But talk about the quarterbacks, the class in general, Dan just to class.

You know, the very first show we talked about, uh, the Oklahoma kit and where and where he might fit, Kyler Kyler Murray, where he might fit. But where where where does some of these other quarterbacks fit? You know? I mean it's the first team that's gonna possibly look at a quarterback at six with the Giants. Is that where this thing is gonna start? Trades? Well, history tells us a quarterback's going top five. Okay, you know we've talked about that um last twenty years. Only twenty thirteen

a quarterback wasn't draft the top five. So good chance we see a trade up into the top five so a team can secure the quarterback they want. And Dwayne Haskins from Ohio State is the favorite to be the first quarterback drafted. But after that, Okay, who's gonna be the next quarterback drafted? If Haskins goes is the first quarterback drafted? Daniel Jones Drew Locke both, Yeah, you know, neither. You know, we're amazing in the first first practice, But like I said, i'd like to Jones to a couple

of interceptions this morning. Yeah, I hate to you know, drill him too much. But we'll get the tape and see how we did, and then tomorrow on Thursday's tape, practice will see how he did. But I think the Andrew Jones's next, and then Drew Locke and then you know, Kyler Murray's a wild card in there. But if you're looking for a quarterback outside the first round, that's when Okay will grew in the second who he's like a

rhythm passer. When he finds his rhythm, he's deadly. But if he doesn't find that rhythm, you see decisions that you're just kind of scratching your head, like, what's you thinking there? He's throwing into double coverage, He's not I mean staring down the receiver, not even bothering the you know, look at the safety who easily cuts off the route. You know, it's just there's so many things about you

just kind of wonder about his decision making. And that's why we're talking about him as a second rounder, not a first rounder. Howboat Jared Stidham from all Ye who Redchard junior graduated to he's able to be here Baylor transfer. He was Art Brile's big recruit. And then with everything fell apart, and Baylor he left, went to Duco. He actually didn't go well. He took classes at Duco, didn't play, actually played with a high school team, you know, as

a scout team quarterback to stay fresh. Goes Auburn the last two years, and I'll tell you what, watching him last year when the Iron Bowl with kerry On Johnson as his running back, you get excited about jared'stidham, about what he could be at the next level. It's fine. I mean, he was like the guy that people He was a guy that people were pegging him as a top ten pick, probably going back to Baylor. I don't know.

I don't know if he maintained the hype at Auburn, but yeah, he's uh, you know you I think when you look at him in that Auburn offense, that elementary third grade offense that Auburn runs, I think that's a culprit here because it just holds him back. And so um that's why the Senior Bowl is so big for a guy like that, to see him unleash that arm, to see him kind of break open from the uh, you know, that Auburn offense that kind of held him back.

So the Senior Bowl tape would be big for Jared's Didham and how he looks throughout the process, because he's much better pro than I think what he put on tape this year. Um, it's just a matter of how you know, Okay, where do you take it? Go? Better prospecting a guy who came into Senior Bowl several years like a three years ago, Dak Prescott better better prospect? Then? Good question. The problem with I think when you look at Stidham, you think, Okay, he's got some upside that

he was of the proa of the of the game. Yeah, sure was. But with Dak it was more like, you know, he kind of is who he is. It's just will it well that his style work right? You know, like he's he's really mobile, he's got a strong arm. It's just is his accuracy good enough where it's going to translate to pro defenses? And that's why you know it fell to the fourth rounds while the Cowboys almost to

Connor Cook over him. Sure, but so you're saying, you're saying Stidham could be a completely different guy at the next level. Yeah, I think he could be a much better pro than what we saw in college, which I mean I think, I think what you just said is true for good and for bad, Like Dak is who he is, and obviously it's worked. It's obviously why plenty of people still aren't satisfied with what he's put on. So, yeah, interesting where Stidham, you're buying, You're drafting him into the

fourth round. You're buying into that potential upside that he might be good once we get our hands on him. You know, we're going to be able to develop him into his full potential. Where at ourburn we saw, you know, just a fraction of what he could be. Yeah, is every okay? So we just mentioned, you know, the Haskins, Murray, Locke, Jones, Greer, Stidham. You know how many of those six are gone by the end of the second round. I think that Haskins, Jones, Locke, Murray,

and Greer for sure are gone by fifty eight. Okay, then we are still a long long way to go. Who knows, but I'd say for sure those five are off the board after that. That might be it. I mean, it might be the only five that are off the board at that point. I think, you know, if someone absolutely falls in love with like a Tyree Jackson, you know, like maybe that could happen, but I think it's more likely we see Tyree Jackson. Ryan Finley from NC State,

who's also there's another guy. Yeah, we're two about Ryan Finley though, I mean there's a there's a guy that he honestly fell kind of off at the end of the year. Fell off the a lot of things going on there. We didn't have coaching changes and stuff like that. North Carolina State or not. They played Texas A and M in that bowl game and it just yeah, exactly, I felt like there were some issues there with North But well, I'll tell you what, yesterday at practice, Ryan

Finley might have been the most consistent quarterback. Um. You know, he nothing about him wows you, but he's really consistent. You know. He reminds me Ofn't. Look, I'm not saying he's gonna win Super Bowl MVP one day, but he's got a lot of Nick Foles. When Nick Foles is coming out of Arizona, you know, just not a great athlete, but a good athlete. Uh can move around a little bit. He doesn't have a power arm, but he has a good arm. Uh. Nothing about him physically blows you away.

But he's just really consistent. He understands the play design, where to go with the ball. Um and I think Nick Foles is much better now than when he was coming out of Arizona, but kind of with this kid. Uh, and he's he's an older guy. He's gonna be twenty five is rookie year. Um he started up boys, he

stay eight, got hurt. Mark Rippin, who also in this draft class, last four years starting at Boise State, took his job the offensive coordinator at Boise went to NC State to be the offensive coordinators so Ryan Finley followed him. And Ryan Finley started the last three years for NC State and had a really good career, throwing to Kelvin Harmon and Jacobe Myers, another nc State wide receiver who

is here. So you know, I think Ryan Finley at the worst can be a solid backup in this league and a guy that you might be able to rely on the step in and start games if you need him too. But again we're talking about him as a maybe a third rounder. Yeah, I'm just fat. I mean, I'm going off the top of my head, but this feels like the least amount of fanfare that a quarterback class has had probably in the time we've been doing the Draft show. You think back to fourteen with Bordles

and mom Teddy Bridgewater. You know, sixteen is obviously dominated by Goff and Wentz and Paxton Lynch two years go out. You know, the names were there, Mahomes, Watson, but like I don't we weren't sold or no one was sold on them as being guys, you know, and and heck the only one that went top well, I guess Mahomes went ten, but Trubisky went on a second h Watson went twelve, So you know that was a weird Keiser

was being talked about in the first round. I mean, it's crazy to think now, but everybody was pretty shocked when the Chiefs did what they did. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. And it's funny because I mean, I wish I love. One of the reasons I love the draft is a domino effect. If this doesn't happened, then you know how the rest of the world would be different. Yeah. If the Chiefs don't make that deal, if John Dorsey and Andy Reid don't get a deal done, Pat Mahomes would

be a saint. Yeah, he was going at eleven, Wow to the New Orleans Saints and how okay, how does that work? Is Pat Mahomes still on the bench right now behind Drew Brees? Is how would that dynamic? Or after my after one season on the end or of

the New Orleans scout team. Yeah, this guy's good. We gotta kid him on the field, Drew, You've been great, but you know we're gonna sudden Drew Brees signs a deal and geez, I meant like Alex Smith did because of Pat mos One pick like that in the world is different, Yeah, you know in terms of you know, the NFL and how that changes the dichotomy of everything though, I guess, And that kind of goes back to the point I was gonna make, is like, even like, even

as unsexy as this class sounds like, the quarterbacks dictate the whole draft and they always will. Like it's early, but I just history teaches me that teams are gonna bend over backwards to talk themselves into these guys and that can work out sometimes in the case of Pat Mahomes and other times not so much. Quarterback desperation will not take a year off, never go away. Yeah, it never does. But I gonna be here. I think that's important because it's gonna mold the draft class and how

it affects the Cowboys. Not to mention everyone else, but are your top ten? How many offensive players do you have? Is your money? Is your defense? Is this a very heavy defensive draft? Do you feel like I have Jonah Williams at seven? That's the end, that's that's the only that's an amazing to think about that this is I mean, that's everything I've heard is that this is a defense.

All these all these teams are thinking offensive, offensive, offense, and it might be what's the great sorry being the neutralize great offense, great defense, great defense. I've got Cody Forward at eleven. But yeah, I mean this is gonna be a strong My first quarterbacks at sixteen, Haskins, Yeah, you know, I've got questions about Haskins. I don't think he's that surefire top pick that people want to make him to be just because he's the top quarterback in

his draft. But yeah, no, you're right. If we don't see a running back or a receiver going to top twenty, maybe one of those ioway tight ends get in there. Yeah, um, offensive line always get overdrafted, so we'll see offensive lineman go there. But yeah, it's gonna be dominated by defensive players, especially defensive lineman. Yeah, let me push some offensive players down the board. Why not? Why not? Okay, Well, that's all the time we have today. Again, we're gonna be

on in the morning. We'll come up with the time for you. We're gonna do this before practice. Again. We got travel days with everybody involved here and so we want to make sure we get you one final show. We'll be hitting it before the South practice, right, is that gonna be? Is that how to rotate background? So anyway, we'll make sure check out everything on the Draft Show, our Twitter feeds, all that to make sure that you know we'll get you the time when that will be.

So for my buddies, David Hellman, Dame Burger, Kent Garrison, Executive producer, I'm Brian Brous. Thanks Skim for join us on the Draft Show. We will see you tomorrow morning from Mobile, Alabama, getting you ready for Thursday practice in the Senior Bowl. Take care