Draft Show: LIVE @ 2019 NFL Combine - Day 2

of have a nice little lunch. Is it across the way? And that the draft show? We did? We talk about the draft today? Yeah? I did? Yeah, you did. Well. You're working d Dane's always working hard on the draft. Trying to have a nice little lunch this afternoon, weren't we, Brian, We were trying to have a nice little lunch. And then uh, as they say, all heck broke loose. Yeah, and uh then the news came down about Jason Witten.

And you know, again, I don't want to turn this into a total of Jason Witton because we've already had a show about Jason Witten and all that. But we were trying to last night talk a little bit about players.

I even wrote about this yesterday of players and you and I talked about this of players that you would trade in back into the first round four right, and tight end was one of those positions that we Hinson, Yeah, we were talking about, you know, the potential of trading back in for some guys and saying since January that this is an absurdly deep tight end class. Yeah, and that and that that surprises me a little bit about

the move that the Cowboys made today. Find me the person who wasn't surprised, and I'll well, I mean, you know it. And this is where it goes back to, you know, the organization, you know, Witton being you know we and we had a chance, and I'll let you kind of address this. And again, I don't want to use a lot of time on this. It's I mean, it's it's worth time because it affects drafts. Yeah, it's

not just the news that Jason Witten's coming back. It's this was one of the biggest needs on this team, and certainly the biggest need on the offensive side of the ball. So it's worth it's worth getting in. But okay, and then I want to, okay, as you explain what Jason Garrett said today about that about Witten coming back, Witten saying he misses football. Yeah, and now we've got

we've got a we got a statement from Wit. Actually, yeah, Like I mean, the way that this whole, the way that it just kind of dropped out of the sky was just unprecedented. And yeah, I mean, like the Cowboys announced it, you know, we broke the story on Dallas cowboys dot com. The Cowboys confirmed it a couple of minutes later. Jason Witten provided a quote, the fire inside of me to complete and compete and play the game is just burning too strong. Um in the sense I

just say, it is a big surprise. But then, you know, you think back to last fall when there were kind of rumors that maybe he felt that way and people were you know, our buddy Ben Rodgers talked about Yeah. Um, so it's it's not a surprise to hear that he was thinking about getting back into football, but the timing of it and the fact that they actually went through with it when you're sitting here ramping up for a draft was surprising to me. Um, and we talked to

Jason Garrett. You know, this is a conversation they've been having for a couple of weeks. Have a feeling that's maybe a bit of a downplay like probably something that they've talked probably the Pro Bowl. They've had these conversations. Maybe, Yeah, that's yeah, that's probably a thing that you've kind of talked about over the course of time. Um, Witten or Garrett said, you know, there's no doubt in Witten's mind

he can still do it. There's no doubt in Garrett's mind. Um. You know, there's reports about what his snapcount would look like. Garrett didn't want to speculate on that, but it's certainly worth considering when you've got a Blake Jarwin who will be a third year tight end, and Dalton Schultz who's a second year tight end. Rico Gathers is still kicking around. So it's interesting to see you. Let you know, this is a guy that's played one hundred percent of the

snaps for fifteen years, he's coming back. How do you balance that with having young guy? How do you balance that with you know, as far as I'm concerned, this is still a position that you can look to in the draft. So there's a lot of stuff to consider, all right, Dane, is it gonna be? Is it a different now? Is that you're thinking about a different round? We were trying to think, you know, fifty eight? Would you think about that? Are you now thinking more three

or four? Yeah? Let's hop right in and just okay, Jason Witten is going to play on this team in twenty nineteen. Does that change your opinion about the Dallas Cowboys and tight end in the twenty nineteen draft? Right? And not what we would do, but what are they gonna do? Ye? And you mentioned some of the names that already on the roster with Blake Darwin, right, Dalton Schultz. Who knows that Rico Gathers or would they even draft a tight end this year? I mean, see, that's where

I hope this doesn't go. We might be there. I hope that doesn't go that way. Why I don't because I look at the depth of this draft at tight end and I like the players that I see. You know, I like Dak Daks Raymond. I like him from Utah State. You know, I'm looking at Kaden Smith, not a Sternberg. I mean, watch, watch, watch, this turned down. Watch this happened? This is? This is and someone was tweeting at me about this. Watch the draft gods bring Fant all the

way to fifty eight or somebody like that. You know, you know what, I'd a little different, but but you know what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. Watch them bring you and and he and he or she. I'm sorry I used Fant as just an example that okay, but what if it's Smith or what if it's not a or what if it's Sternberger? What if? What if I told you? What if? What if the draft gods push Jay Sternberger to you at pick ninety? How you

feeling about that? See, that's that's kind of where or um, yeah, and it's something like that happens, then you would just course, um, you know, mid draft. But I think what it does is they're not forced to take it a tight end this year. You know, if the right one is not is that the right thing for this team to do? Then is that Let's just focus on is it the right thing? Let's let's and I'm I'm still you know, I don't think I've ever been more shocked by a

Cowboys story. Honestly, the Dan Bailey cut, the Amari Cooper trade, uh, you know, the Tony Romo press conference. Like, There's been a lot of crazy stuff. I don't think I've ever been more shocked than this. So I'm still processing it. But I'm sitting here thinking right off the bat, You're like, well, they can't draft a tight end now. But then you start thinking about it, and you're like, or to one year deal? Does this free them up to draft that guy?

You know this this counteracts my argument from yesterday of well, this guy's not gonna do anything. Is rookie year anyway? Right, Well, now he's definitely not gonna do anything is rookie year, which so you know you don't want to draft the guy that's not going to play early. But also, this could this could give you. This gives you a year. Okay, let Isaac Nada. Let's say it's Isaac Nada in the second or third round. It gives him a year to season and learn behind a very very good tight end

without the pressure of having to play immediately. So I can see both sides of it. Are you gonna call this a wasted pick if they pick a tight end at fifty eight. No, not any not anymore, not not anymore. I don't I don't know how I feel about it. I think the variable in this discussion that we don't really know is how does this team? How do the coaches feel about Blake Jarwin? Yeah, how do they feel about Dalton Scholtze in terms of long term? Do they

see more than just uh, their current role? They see they think they can grow into, not be you know, Phil Jason Witten's shoes in terms of being a pro bowler, but maybe a competent starter in this offense. And that's something that we don't necessarily know on the outside looking in periscopes are mine And you didn't want to tie it end yesterday. I still don't. I don't want I'm

just trying to see both sides of the argument. I'm saying, if you all right, Jason Witten, you know he's gonna play like a minimum of fifty percent of the snaps or maybe as many as like ninety five, who the hell knows. And then you got Jarwin, got Shultz, so that guy's not going to play a role. But on the flip side of like, well, he's not helping you now at least you're not leaning on him to have to do that as a rookie, which is something that not very many rookie tight ends have a lot of

success with anyway. So I'm just trying to present both sides of it. I still I certainly I would have reservations about drafting a tight end at fifty eight agree, maybe even ninety would you have had you obviously would have had the reservations even if they didn't make the

Witten move and my correct about that. Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely, And but it's it's just something else to consider because now yesterday it's like, well, what it is, You're totally okay with this moved in as far as the tight ends can say that, I never I'm just I'm just asking you that because you don't want to draft a tight end. Oh oh am, I okay with the Jason Witten moves? Yeah, Um, I'm I'm confused by it. Like, if I'm being perfectly perfectly honest, I think there's a

lot of people that are confused. Yeah, but it's it's it's kind of a wash for me, Like I don't think it's you're not drastically upgrading the tight end position. It's not worse than it was yesterday. It's it's it's better. It might not, it's not, it's not a lot better, but it's better. Um, I think you know me again,

I brought up Effort yesterday. I think I would have rather gambled on a guy like Tyler Effort with a very high upside, no offense to a future Hall of Hall of Famer, and Jason went and I don't think he has a ton of upside at this point in his career. Um, So I'm confused because I think I think they could have done more to upgrade it. But I'm not gonna hate on him for bringing a Hall of Famer back into the fold. It's just I'm I'm

still I'm still digesting it. I'm confused. No, And what is the goal between the end of the season and the draft. You want to fill as many needs as possible so you're not forced to go in a specific direction on draft weekend. Sure, you know if you want to go defensive end in the first. But there's just one year band Aid. Yeah, I guy a band Aid. Oh, actually that's a that's a Hall of Fame player. I don't think anybody expects Bridge I'm using Okay, Bridge, I

used the wrong B word. No one's expecting this to be a long term thing, you know. Obviously, Yeah, Jason wins back for a season and you'll see how it goes. But you know, this is a great tight end class. There's no question. That's what That's what I was thinking. And they keep telling us it's a young team, it's a young team where we're one of the youngest teams. And I thought that's the way that this thing was going,

you know, and again nothing, he gets Jason went. But again, I'm a guy that was on the staff that brought Jason Witten here. You know, that shows you how long ago that was. But I'm just saying though that if they keep preaching to us they're a young team, they're a young team, they're a young team. We're gonna grow as a young team. You know, we're gonna get better as a young team. Is this a move that made them better? All right, here's a thought exercise for you.

I'm I was quiet. Nobody's gonna aswer my question right now. I'm going through. I'm going through. But here's a thought exercise. Okay, remove the name, like take Jason Witten out of it. Sure don't think of him as the guy who's played here for fifteen years, who's been to eleven Pro Bowls and it'll be in the Hall of Fame and has a mural hanging in the Star and all that crap. If they had if they had signed today, um, Luke Stocker or Charles Clay. I know Charles Clay is with

people like Charles. I know he's with the Cardinals out. But if it was Charles Clay and it was the same deal, how would you feel? I wouldn't feel as good because I don't feel like I feel like to me, I would rather draft a tight end, Okay, but I want a young group I want I want Shultz, and I want a young tight end that I can use. What would we say about Charles Clay on this team.

I know I'm gonna tell you it's a rhetorical question, right, we would say, Oh, veteran, veteran guy, not gonna stop you from doing anything in the draft, but gives you a little bit more production, a guy who can start if he needs to, and you know there's no guarantee beyond one year, and you can still draft your tight end. So Okay, the fact that it's Jason Witten makes this feel like such a bigger deal, but maybe not really right,

you know what I mean. I don't think it like hand I don't think it handcuffs you as much as you're trying to make it sound like right. And I agree, and that signing. I don't want adding him to the fold. It's not like you traded a third rounder. You still have that third rounder to address another need. So you know your team's in good shape if you add a tight end going into the draft, so you're not forced

to go that route. Doesn't mean you still can't go tight end, but this way, maybe you go defensive end, defensive tackle first two or second or third rounds. You know you're not hamstrung by specific needs and this and let's just let's just assume Jason Witten will play fewer snaps than we're used to seeing from him. And I gotta see it the yeah, do you believe that? I guess I gotta says, it's kind of like we're a young team. Bit let's well, they are young. They are

a young team, and that's why. And they's probably gonna raise their average age by it like a year and now, yeah, we can't say that anymore. Yeah, yeah you can. Well, okay, let's just let's just assume that Jarwin and Schultz will

have meaningful roles to play. Okay, this gives you a year to see how they develop and say this guy can be our starter going forward, or in twenty twenty you say, all right, no more bs and around, we really got to get a tight end now right, It's yeah, it could give you a chance to audition these two guys without the pressure of having how about how about add a tight end in a draft. It's kind of like next year, Wow, we're gonna need a linebacker, and

then all of a sudden, there's no linebackers. You're in a draft, there's no linebackers, and well, yeah, I have no idea what the tight end board looks like next year. That's I'm saying. That's I'm saying, yeah, you can't. And trust me, when we're doing the draft and they pick a tight end, you're gonna make the comment of like, well, you know, I think I would have gone a cornerback there. Man, they've got no they've got no quarterbacks. In twenty twenty, I'll just say I can't wait to see if he's

a good player in twenty twenty one. This team has enough needs where I'm not too upset if they don't draft the tight end. I agreed this team. That's what I've been saying, right, So if all right, I wanted Tyler Eiffort, but it's Jason Witten, you know, maybe not the direction that I would have gone if I ran the team, but it's whatever. So if they don't draft a tight end out of all these tight ends that we've seen, you're okay with that perfectly fine, Okay, I've

been driving that end. I'm not gonna how many first round tight end you got on your board? Two? Yeah? How many first rounds? How many traditionally do you have? How many traditional first round tie didn't you have? Usually there's about one, okay usually yeah, but well it's smith borderline first round, so maybe three. He came in under six three today. That was surprising. Yeah, he's like six two and a half. You know why Brad guy is so salty right now because this kills his dream of

trading up for Hockinson. It kills It's dead in the water. Let's go up and get Montes sweater or let's go up and get one of these pass rushers. Does that do anything for you? You know? Yeah, I mean it does. But but you know, but we talked about if you this man, this gentleman who I trust, who's watched Hawkerson play, you know, calls him rare, calls him a rare player. But they were never gonna get Hawkinson. But maybe in my little dream world at right and now it's gone.

And that's why you're mad if it's not, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not mad. I'm just I to me, I was I'm looking at a position where I feel like there's a lot of really nice players, a lot of depth there, and and I hope that they don't say, oh, we've got wit for one year and then they and then and then they take your guy's approach where they don't take it tight in, and then in twenty twenty we're like going, wow, well, you know, really we didn't get it. We didn't get much shot out Jarwin, we

didn't really get Schultz, didn't really get much better. Where are we at right now? That's where? And then well, okay, where you at? Don't you have I trust? I trust Will McClay more than that, Like, if they wind up in a situation where a very talented guy is in their lap, I think they would do it right. And that's I don't think Jason Witton stops you from doing

this. This This tight end class is deep enough where you know, Dak's Raymond could be there for you with your camp pick in the fourth round and maybe you know, and that's maybe an area that you pull the trigger on a guy like that. Because there's so many tight ends, they're gonna get pushed down a little bit too. Also, I'm saying maybe one of those guys like Sternberg or not, one of those guys is going to be there. And now I'm kind of thinking, wait a minute've got it

tied in for a year. This guy's not gonna play, you know, blah blah blah, all that stuff. If they draft a guy, maybe that guy's gonna have to play. All this means to me, I'm processing this as I wasn't going to go into this, but here I am. It's it's it's a worthwhile conversation. All this means to me is that if I'm Rico Gathers, I'm kind of like, that's this mean for me? But like he was not in my plans any he already should have felt that he's not plans. He's not plans. So I it's it is,

It's just it is what it is. Like I said, it's it's a little confusing. It's certainly surprising. I don't think it drastically changes anything. I don't think it would stop if if no offense is available at fifty eight. Yeah, I gotta imagine that they are gonna consider it pretty heavily, if not just pull the trigger. And remember, I don't think that changes that. This is a team that had Dallas Goddard almost followed them last year in the second round.

Sure they weren't considering him. Sure, So you know it's and I know that Jason witton retirement was still fresh when all that happened and all that. But you know this, I think the way this team looks at tight end is not the way we look at tight end in terms of what they could do and through the draft. And so if one of these players would fall off Sternberger's there in the third round, maybe they do, but they don't have to make a move like that. Right now.

People are calling me short sighted on on this you're being the long sided one. I would say, like you're worried you're trying to address a multi year problem right now while you have a good tight end. I was kind of thinking I was trying to be big picture here, wasn't I yea, But like like Hellman said, though, like tight end traditionally is one of those positions where you don't see rookies come in and produce right away, right

wide receiver, tight end. Usually it takes time for those positions, especially those Iowa kids. Well, no, and again we know you like the Iowa kids. No, I'm just saying though they're not. But I'm just saying we all we throw that out there. We just say, well, this is traditionally a position. Well in the second and third round, where we also weren't talking about five ten quarterbacks either, were we, Well, well, sure, but that yeah, okay, yeah, nice little segue. The other

apples and oranges. Apples and oranges. Yes, by the way, you fight for that five ten quarterback? Uh, depending on who I am and where I'm picking. Sure, I mean, if I'm a team like Miami at thirteen, heck yeah, I mean, what's gonna stop me from drafting Kyler Murray. The big question is gonna be Arizona at one? Uh, what are they gonna do? Arizona at one? Just gonna make the draft Kyler Murray. Yeah, I think that's there's

a strong possibility that happens. I'm just feeling it was that was that a huge win for him today, not to be five O nine seven. It was a win. You know, I don't ye five O nine seven five or five one oh one. Yeah, it looks a lot better than five O nine seven. It's we're talking about an eighth of an inch or two as of an inch, a quarter of an inch. But it's still looks a lot better. I wrote about this today. I mean, and you can put it up tomorrow. We'll put it up tomorrow.

I mean old the old scout, the old old school scout. Yeah, needs to let go. The old the old scout needs to let go. It's a different game, man, it is. It is a totally depend on that a little bit. No, and thank you for allowing me to do this. Uh. I appreciate the senator from Ohio yielding in the balance

of his time. Laura's yours. You know. The thing with Kyler, the old scout in me believed, you know, we weren't so much about the metrics and numbers and all we came when it came to numbers, it was the heighthweight speed. You know, that's where we lived and that. But the scout today can deal with the numbers, but he could also deal with playing ability. I agree the film. You have to watch the film. The playing ability, I think you have to watch all that. That's where I think

you have to grade this kid. I don't think you grade this kid on the fact that he's five ten one. I don't. I don't think you grade him on that. I think you grade him on the fact of how he plays. And there's scouts. There's scouts that still to this day will not like this guy just because he's under their prototype of heights. And I think that that. I think that, and again is an old guy that and seeing the way this is going, that's a huge mistake.

Evaluate this player, evaluate his teammate. You know, I know you don't really like Hollywood Brown all that much. I like Hollywood Brown. I don't like him where people are I'm just saying though, but I'm saying he's a small under sixty six pounds small. Okay, are you on the train too with Marky's Brown? Yeah? Um, with the foot injury and one hundred and sixty six pounds. I like him in the early second round, Okay, I would draft him. I would draft him outside the top forty probably, Okay,

maybe maybe a second round Okay. But I'm just saying, though, we need to pay attention of how they play on tape and not and not. I'm just staying the old scout. Sure, and that's that. I'm glad you said that, But it's also doesn't make it easier because when you talk about Kyler Murray on tape, playing behind the best offensive line in college football, right, playing at a conference that doesn't play a ton of defense, playing a conference that did not is not going to produce a big time pass

rusher like he. The tape is fine and you can see the skills, but you know, it's a big, big step going from Big twelve competition to the NFL. And so I don't think that Kyler Murray discussion is as easy as oh, well, you know, as long as you get pass the size, you know, you pull the trigger. Like there's other things going on with Kyler Murray in his evaluation that you have to get past besides just the size. So twenty seven, that's a good number for him.

I don't think that's his playing weight. You know, he's probably more like one ninety five. Um. You know he's not gonna throw here, he's not gonna run here. We might have to make a trip to Norman to go see him. We'll do that. Uh. And so that's March thirteenth. I believe that. Oh, nothing else going on that day. It's just the start of the league year and free agent done that trip before we know the route. He probably won't run at all. I'd be surprised if Kyler

Murray runs a forty yard dash. That's a process. Yeah, there's no reason why. Here's no point health with the prote and I think he'll look fine. But you know, I'll have to see if he does any athletic testing. Um. But that's the conversation. I think if you want Kyler Murray, you get to trade up in the top five. And that's only if the Cardinals pass at one. I love it. Do the Cardinals pass at one? It's okay, I'm just

and then go I'm asking your crystal ball. This predict the biggest storyline of the off take him, I'd say, is it that high? I'd say slightly about fifty fifty. Yeah, I don't know. I would to go seventy, but I'd say slightly about fifty fifty the just and it's hard not to get caught up in the moment and you know, like the excitement of what that how that would play out?

But when you connect all the dots, and if you're the Cardinals, what is more important defending your top ten pick at quarterback from last year or getting the better quarterback? If that's how they view Kyler Murray, Yeah, the more important thing is getting get right and getting the right quarterback. I mean, if if Josh Rosen has a problem with that, well, don't be bad enough. We have the top pick. How

quickly do they need to get rid of Josh Rosen? Now, well, they got to decide that they're gonna draft Murray before they got to get rid of Josh. Well, they hold the first overall pick. No, well, I obviously I feel like they have huh if they're I mean, they have to do it, which it'll be interesting because like the best time to do that is probably in free agency so like they could make it, or you wait to the draft draft? Who held somebody's feet to the fire? Exactly?

Who's when you play quarterback? Muscle chairs? Who's left it out a chair? I was gonna say, who that doesn't have a quarterback is gonna be willing to wait until draft night to do something like that? I don't think there you can. Well, okay, take a team like the Redskins. Okay, what are you gonna do in freed and see? If you're the Redskins, are you gonna go after Nick Foles? Okay, that's fine, good, But if you don't get Nick Foles, if you don't get one of the free agent quarterbacks,

you're picking fifteenth in the first round. Why would you go after Nick Foles? If you're the Redskins, You've already got so much money invested in But don't Smith thought this year? But don't you? Don't you when you when you rather try and make a trade and get a guy that's gonna be on the cheap. You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna do whatever I can to win. I mean, I mean, what are my options if it's Nick Foles or he's Keenum I'm going Nick Foles, giving

myself the best chance to win. If you're Jake Gruden, you're not guaranteed the coach until there's no question about so, Bruce Allen, no question about. So you know, you you get the best chance whoever's gonna help you with the best chance to win twenty nineteen. That's what you have to do. And hey, if that's Josh Rosen. The thing is that we don't know the pre draft evaluations that these teams had on Josh Rosen. Let's remember he was a fourth quarterback drafted. A lot of teams were not

fans of Josh Rosen. So it's no guarantee that it's gonna be a first round type of compensation. It's gonna be a fascinating market if that's out. If you were Arizona, would you take it to for Josh Rosen? Right now? You might have a choice. Yeah, what do you do? You can't keep them. I they brought in Cliff Kingsbury. It's supposed to be this bold departure. He's the you know, the college offense guru, and he had nothing to do with their decision to pick Josh Rosen. Yeah, And like

I'm gonna boil it down that simply. I think that's why Kyle Murray will be their quarterback, because like that's how ego and scheme fit and all that stuff means so much in the NFL. I just I feel like Kingsbury's gonna be like, I need this guy, not that guy. Sorry, sorry you drafted him when I wasn't here. That's not my fault. I want this guy. Do you think the chance that you know, Cliff, being that it's his first job, new job and all that, that he feels like he

has to have Kyler Murray in order to survive. I mean they again, this this team farther their head coach after one year, it just goes all the way back to And that's a perfect example of how this team

understands that. You know what, if we need to pull the plug after one year in our head coach, we'll take the flak, We'll take the pr backlash, Like, yes, it looks bad on us, but you know what, I'd rather get the right guy in here instead of just being stubborn and holding onto him even though I know he's not the right answer. And the same thing with these quarterback If you have a chance to upgrade your

quarterback position. Why wouldn't you do it? But you were okay with where Rosen was taken at ten right, I was based off of the film, okay, but it's an intangible position. And a lot of people have problems with Josh Rosen and whether it's because he's a really smart guy. I mean, he doesn't really fit status quo in terms of you know, football, eat, drink, breathe and all that. So he's just not going to be for everybody, and

so I get it. You know, the Rosen conversation is tough because we don't fully understand everything behind the scenes, and not everyone's gonna be on par with their feelings, and so it really makes for a fascinating market. Would you be surprised if the Giants made a trade for him? Would they if they sent their first pick to uh Arizona? Would you be the first pick? That would be very surprising. I mean sixth overall, sixth overall, so yeah, that's their

first round pick. Would be very That would surprise the hell out of me, since the same GM wasn't willing to deal up or get a quarterback last year, like he thought all those guys were like We're fine. Yeah, So now he's gonna give up a top ten pick for a guy he wasn't interested in a year ago. I doubt it. Miami, Miami's got a Miami thirteen. Miami and Washington are the two teams. That's twelve and thirteen, right,

thirteen fifteen thirteen Miami and Redskins. That's dad. Those are the two franchises who are on the outside looking in in terms of who these who's gonna get these quarterbacks? Miami, he's really a no man's land at fifteen. That's that's ky Washington. Washington. I'm sorry, God, they keep getting that. Washington's really no man's right there. Yeah, and that's why I threw Washington out there as a possible trade partner

for Rosen. What if I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking of the Eagles and the Rams in twenty sixteen, Like, instead of dealing for Rosen, what if the Rams or them, sorry, the Redskins just tried to deal up for Kyler Murray and that should be or Dwayne Haskins. If I like, if I'm the Redskins, i am doing one of two things to fix my quarterback spot. I'm either trading up for Haskins or Murray or I'm gonna, you know, look for another op. I'm not taking Daniel Jones the fifteen

and expecting that to work out. I'm gonna go get my quarterback. Or I'm gonna, you know, look at either Folds or Rosen or someone else in the off season. Yeah, I agree. It's uh, you know, it's we knew we're gonna have fun first night. We're gonna have a pick, but we have fun. It's not even Murray picked football over baseball, like that was okay, This is gonna be fun. Now with the growing possibility that he could be the number one pick, that just makes it even more fun.

I really feel like we're gonna set a new standard for weirdness in the office. Like I think, I think we're gonna see some player for player trades we are. I mean, Flacco already got traded. We forgot about that already, But we're gonna see some of those types of trades. We're gonna see people dealing up in the draft. Like I think NFL teams are understanding that these decisions aren't

as permanent as they liked. I mean, we're literally we're talking about getting rid of a guy that got drafted in the top ten after one year, right, teams are just like, screw it, for lack of a better term, like we'll fix it it, Like you don't have to be committed to this just because you did it a year ago. And I think that line of thinking is going to lead to more and more chaos at this time of year, which I love. No, it's gonna be fun.

Let me ask you this, would you rather have Josh Rosen or Derek Carry if you're removing, if you're moving on from a quarterback scene more from card? If? If? What if the Raiders get into this at force? And that's the problem with with Rosen, With any conversation with Rosen, it's it's tough because again we don't know how does he interact on a day in, day out basis with his coaches, with his teammates, as a leader of men, as a CEO of a franchise, whatever cliche you want

to use. How does he fit in that role? We don't understand fully how you know. It's one thing to talk about the conjecture about, you know, the personality and all that. We just don't because we're not in the building. With Josh Rosen, we don't fully know, and it's it's it's hard to have any conversation about Rosen without having that full understanding. Yeah, because yeah, I mean, Derek Car's a three time pro bowler. I mean, I think he can win games in this league. He can help you

compete for the division. But I think Rosen I would bet on his tape and bet on what he can be long term. But again, that doesn't factor in the intangible part of things. Yeah, you're right about the intangibles. It's the intangel position and that's why Kyler Murray tomorrow tonight, he's going through the interview process and how does that go for him? You know, the size is one thing he's not gonna throw, but it's still gonna be a big week for him here at the interview process. How

it does in white board? Where is he mentally in his development? That's a huge step. Do teams fall in love with him? You think when they talk to him he based off at interviews. He's gonna be here tomorrow talking to the media, so hopefully goes better than learn from Super Bowl at radio row because he was not impressive. I mean, that has to give you pause as an evaluator with a train wrecord that was hopefully he learned from that and he is better. Um, he's still a

young kid, you know. It's how would you have reacted in that type of environment at twenty two years old? And we have to remember that. But again, if you're talking about investing a top pick and do this player, he has to be, you know, a little more mature than he showed at a scene the Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Yeah, I'm not surprised we spent a quarter of an hour on Kyler Murray. I'm very prize that we spent a quarter of an hour on Jason Witten today. Yeah, that's

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for the twenty nineteen NFL Combine. Brian broad As, Dane Burglar, David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. I want to thank everybody out there who's kind of followed along getting us the second night we're gonna have. We're gonna have another one of these shows tomorrow night. That'll be Thursday night, Friday night, and then Saturday we'll wrap this thing up. Like I talked about, We've got some workouts that would be good. I know. Dane was listening to the offensive

Lineman talk some of the running backs talk today. Did you hear anything about any news Cowboys potential visits, Maybe some guys that they've had in or they're going to have in for visit, maybe the offensive lineman or anything like it sounded like Dalton Riiser from Kansas State's gonna be offensive tackle. Ye, who would be an option possibly at fifty eight? Love it. Yeah, some people guard tackle

kind of accommodation. I've seen you and I both believe you. Yeah, better guard, better guard, right, I understand, and that, you know, the versatility is one thing that he has a versatile experience. It's funny, that's it. It's crazy. He his technique could be awful, but he doesn't get beat, which is good, you know. But at the same time he's playing in a conference. I mean, who's the best pass rusher in the Big twelve? Yeah, I mean Dane just stays Hayting on the poort. It's a big ten pays me to

do this. Kansas has got the kid, and then you know, maybe Texas with the you know, but those are guys that are yeah, you know, nothing again and nothing against him. I mean he played well against montest Seat when State. You know, it just I think he's a solid player. Um, but I think he's more of a like a mid second round guy. But there's a good chance he can go in the first. Wouldn't be surprised just because of that versatility. So yeah, and then and then who else?

And they were the Ethan Greenidge Villanova another tackle when move inside the guard? Another one of those guys. He's a shrine guy. Uh did it? Had a pretty nice week there. But he's definitely moves better than I expected him too, So he's a name to keep on the radar. Okay, So Reisner and Greenwich? Yes, right, and Greenwich is more of a late round guy. Yeah later, Okay, good David Hillman, I'm going to turn it over to you. Y'all know

I love a good segue. Uh So, too Tall has a question for us talking about possible classifies them as sneaky sneaky O line picks. Um, I get you know, if the Cowboys were gonna use a draft pick on a no lineman, Tyron Smith getting older, Lyle Collins in a contract year, Travis Frederick coming off an injury, or the possibility that you could move Connor Williams to tackle if you wanted to between the positions. What do you think is more likely or the better idea for the

Cowboys to spend a pick on. I've been saying tackle forever. Yeah, yeah, I think to tackle me personally too. You know, we have to also keep in mind of maybe what some stuff going on in free agency. You know, if Cam Fleming is a free agent, Cam Fleming is a free agent though, uh we the you know, we we talked about some of the things. Some of the other teams got a guy at Jacksonville that left the Cowboys, Jeremy Parnell. Jeremy Parnell. Jeremy Parnell might be a cap casualty guy

in Jacksonville. So if you have the opportunity to potentially bring back a guy like instead of bringing you bring back Jeremy Parnell, instead of signing and signing Fleming, Camp Fleming with that interest you more than drafting a guy. And that's just again, I like some of these offensive tackles. Again, here's the guy I keep saying again again again, but I'm the guy that wants to draft to keep drafting offensive lineman tight ends, you do defensive ends again, this

team has had success doing that. It's so hard to balance between drafts are about three and four years, and the Cowboys are trying to take the next step because they got talent. They have an absurd amount of interior line talent, especially if Travis Frederick is able to come back completely healthy. Right and then you know, yeah, Lyle Collins is in a contract year, but you can probably finagle that in free agency for another year or two if you want to. How long's Luny in a contract

for one year? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, got to But but think about think about his name maybe if he becomes available, Jeremy Parnell, think about that name could be a possibility fifty eight or in the third round. CALEA. McGarry from Washington. I think that he's a good player.

I think you're right. He destroyed my guy Jelks. I mean that, yeah, first play, yeah, Oregon, the defensive end though, any do you what do you think about if you look at we talk about the USC kid though he kind of oh we we his football character is just a mess. Okay, okay, I can't repeat some of the words that I was told about. Just you know, he's there. Just things you worry about and maybe the light bulb will come on when he gets to the pro level. But I'm not I'd be surprised if he goes in

the first seventy right Chuma Adoga from USA. Right. Yeah, the quickness, the length, really like what you see. But in terms of working his butt off and living up to his potential, yeah, that's uh. I'm not gonna go out on West Virginia's could juice. Yeah, threw it up pretty well to day. I think that was in the thirties, thirty thirty two. Yeah, reps, I mean, yeah, that was that was pretty good right there for him. How about your center, by the way, too, press center in the draft,

ar Bradbury Bradberry from North Carolina State end. No, no, I'm just saying I'm just giving you guys down the center road. No, no, some of the best, the best center, the best center in the draft, you know, I mean with Dane and then he threw the he threw it up thirty four times. I want to say, he's a short armed guy, so you know, but that's okay, you know what I mean. That's a good start to the day start for tight end. You have the defensive line, the no offensive line, and he's been a stud at

center of Absolutely there you go. Y'all are gonna love this because it's about measurements. UM six three two coach. Coach says Devin Singletary, a guy y'all like, came in. He came in a little bit shorter than expected. Any chance that could push him into the fourth round place where the Cowboys feel comfortable drafting him. I don't think anybody cares about height at running back. I don't, I mean not at all. What does height matter? Build that's

builds all that matters. Cohen's playing pretty well, so I mean, but if Terry Cohen was you know, five to seven, but he's two hundred pounds, right, it wouldn't matter. It's just height. If anything, height makes you maybe more elusive, you know. So you're saying no, yeah, height will not do it. Now if not, everybody's gonna be on board with his weight in terms of you know, because I think he was to A one maybe and he's not yah. I think he's la Sean McCoy. I don't think he's

getting out of second. You have not changed what it is. So what did he come in at? Height? Wise five or seven? Two? It was yeah, okay, and did something was there somebody comped him to Maurice Jones Drew or did I make that up? I don't know. You're right, why would It's a rhetorical question. I don't know. Second round, top forty. This guy is the film is back. Yeah. He has such a unique way of making guys miss. Like guys just it clicks, and it clicks for him.

He understands not only does he have the juice in the athleticism to make guys mess, he understands how to do it. See that he gets some scouts, like a guy that Greg Gabriel, who used to be a general manager, worked with the Bears and all that. If you follow Greg on Twitter, who's a very good follower because he's a former you know, general manager, scout and guy like that. He is not high on the player. He understands why people liked the player, but he doesn't think he does

enough between the tackles, and I disagree on that. I see in the games I watched, I saw a guy that was tough. There were times where they didn't block for him at all. Okay, but he had to make a run between danes over here crapping on the Big twelve though, I mean this guy. That's fair. He led the FBS and broken tackles, but it is fair to play them tackles against guys that are never gonna play football again. And I would point out that he played Oklahoma, lawyers,

I don't want to call somebody that plays that the American. Yeah, if you're playing the American, you're better than an account. It's so a Florida bunch that LSU took to the mat and hadn't lost a game in a while. They didn't take us to the matt. We kicked their pot. No, no, no, we took them to the I'm saying, yeah, all right, good No. And I would point out that FAU played Oklahoma this year, but I wouldn't want to get a big twelve credits. That's fair. That was some film you

could watch him actually play exactly. We touched on Hollywood Brown in the first segment. But Austin wants to know if the weight, and I'll throw in the Liz Frank two. So he's one sixty six, one sixty six, which is boggles my mind because he had the surgery in January, Like, why aren't you eating McDonald's every day so you can't work out here and he needs to go. He needs to go to combine with me, is what he needs

to do everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to get overweight, but just put on get over one seventy get close to one seventy five. So do you know, do you think the weight and the injury are enough to push him down in Cowboys territory or no? Probably not? You you like him anyway? You set top four? That right? If I if if I told you he's gonna have a DeShawn Jackson like career production only Oh hell yeah, where you draft him first round? Okay? Yeah, and that's

what fift. Well, there will be a team that believes that Marky's Brown can have a DeShawn Jackson type of career in the NFL. I just went like that DeShawn Jackson was like one sixty nine or something. I'm not saying it can't be done. It just scares the hell out of me. Understandable, certainly. I mean there's not a huge sample size of these guys. So five nine three, yeah, five nine, one sixty six. Yeah, Like Devin Singletary could

take him on like easy. When he arrived at Oklahoma two years ago, he was one hundred and forty pounds, and he added, you know how I feel hearing you say that, I'm just like geez, like I got, I'm a husky. Let's go get dinner after this. Yeah, yes, we'll do that, all right, Dane. I'm just gonna keep peppering you with questions. Yeah, I'm glad you're peppering him. Jake says, we've talked about Jerry Tillary before. You've kind of hinted it some. You've hinted it some off field situations.

So can you expand on your concerns on that and your thoughts on him as a possibility at pick fifty eight. I think with Hillary it comes down to Notre Dame, by the way, based on talent as a first round pick, where does football come in the pecking order on his priority list? Um, He's he's an academic. He's a guy who when he committed to Notre Dame, you know someone asked him, how, uh you know? Where does you know? Why are you getting out? Because he was a Louisiana guy.

Why are you getting out of the SEC? Well? SEC schools didn't have what I wanted and academically they didn't have They can't offer what I need. I mean, very arrogant about his academic But he's a worldly guy. I mean, he interned in Ireland, He's been all over the world traveling. He's just not necessarily a football first type of player. And that's gonna bother a lot of teams and I yeah, but he's a powerful at the point. So that's that. That is that's the problem. That's it. That's that's part

of it. Wide receiver. That the kid with the funny name that we kept saying was a worldly Brown, Yeah, Saint Brown, fifth round, sixth round. How about the dude because I call him a worldly guy. How about the badass doctor for the Chiefs. What's that guy's name? Oh yeah, my guy from Canada. Um, pretty good player. Yeah, I mean, and he's a doctor he wanted to put No, it's I did a big story on him back when he was coming out, and I really liked him. He's sold

me in the Shrine game. Um. But but we're talking about he was drafting Link the fifth round. Yeah, I mean we're talking about Yeah, it's like we talk about Kyler Murray talking about Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson, like you know, Russell Wilson was a third round pick, right, you know, we're not talking about the same value and

the same risk. So for a guy like Jerry Tillery, I think he's gonna go in the second round, But you know, does someone take a chance on him the first especially in a defensive line rich draft where uh, you know one of these you know you're taking him over you know some of these other defensive tackles. Now, if he's there at fifty eight, that'll be an interesting scenario. I will say, So, you're just doing your job, your due, dealers.

I get that. Me. I hate I hate that. I hate that teams are gonna ing a guy for being like brilliant and oh my god, something besides football might interest this guy. Like, I hate that, I will say, though, I'll contradict myself. Remember John or Shell too. Yep, he's the mathematician. He's a fifth round pick, but like he just straight up retired from football to be a genius math guy exactly. I understand why that would spook a team. It's like, well, are you even gonna care enough to

keep playing a year after we draft you? Two years after we draft is the thing? After a couple of practices in the NFL where he's getting, you know, is head kicked in Like he's gonna think to himself, I could be making decent money doing something else, traveling the world like you know, like that. That's the worry with a guy like that, Is he going to really how importing his football? Really too? Exactly? And she or Shell retired after his third season. Yeah, enough money to teach math.

So I understand the concern, but it still kind of irks me that, oh God forbidden, let's talk about the players. Let's talk about the player of himself though we I talked about a point of attack guy, and my last bit of notes I said, I don't ever think he's gonna have huge sack numbers. But you're gonna get a guy that's gonna push and he's gonna and he's gonna play the run well wherever he lands. Did you watch the Stanford tape? I watched USC Northwestern Syracuse, Michigan. The

Stanford tape is the best tape. Easy, easy and get four sacks that game. And and I agree with you for the most part. But he showed he has such a wide because he's so long, right, but his legs right now he has such a wide impact radius. I mean he can find his gap to squirt into the backfield. But he is powerful. Uh so I think, yeah, is it first round talent? Right? I don't think there's too many that the lack of love for football is a concern. Yeah, well you just yeah, you worry about is he all

in okay? And is he going to be all in two years from now, three years from now. It's just it's a tough conversation to have with when we're getting this knowledge secondhand. You know, like it makes me uncomfortable in a way, just because I've never talked to Jerry Tillary, so I you know, I can't say he's gonna get We're going an opportunity to talk to him here a little bit. Yeah, but you know I'm going based on based on what scouts tell me. You know, it's not

we're not creating this information. These guys are going to school and finding it out kind of a pole on the curtain house. Scouts are really looking at these guys. Yeah for sure. Uh, we got time for one more. Yeah, I got plenty of time. Oh okay, good, Oh we were only doing one break this year exactly, all right, well, I want to throw away, but uh well it's not

even it's not really draft related. It is a little bit. Um. You saw the video of DeMarcus Ware, right, yeah, Like right after the Jason Winton News, DeMarcus Ware posted a video on Twitter where he's like, well maybe I should too if they're giving you five million dollars, which if you know anything about DeMarcus Ware like that dude is still in disgusting shape. Yeah, like, are you down? Like I'd be down. That's basically all I'm saying. Darren Woodson

said the same thing. I mean, Darren Woodson's a little bit further playing if DeMarcus Ware, when we talk about at the top of yesterday's show, Randy Gregory isn't available. Yeah, if DeMarcus Ware could give me a question. So well, somebody said, um, if he's serious, do you think Dallas would sign him? You don't think they would if he was serious and not just playing around. I think I don't think so. Why he's been out of football for what two years? Two years? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, okay,

asking twenty five snaps a game. What's his health condition? Have you seen the dude's workout videos? He's great, the neck, the back and all that stuff. Does he really want to play? I don't know what he really want to play. That's if he's serious, and I don't think he is. For the record, No, he look he looks. He looks very happy at home with his family. Saw his kids had on Dallas Maverick Jerseys. The right now that if he signed this week, and like you would get excited

about it, there's no question. Yeah. I think he could give you four to six sacks if you could stay healthy, which is the production that's exactly well yeah, okay, Well what do they got instead? Nothing? Right now? Not a might? So come on in draft a little bit. I think how you and your draft? I just want to draft. I just want to draft. If they had success drafting? Is the draft show? Had they have? They had success drafting? Of course? Well, yes, better success drafting or picking free agents,

much better success drafting Taco Charlton. No, that's but that's he seems to be the only one right now. Only since twenty ten, all of their picks in the first round except Mo and Taco haven't been named All Pro at some point in their career. Is that good? That's insane? Yeah, it's pretty good. James. All right, this so got a lot of Witten questions. I've been avoiding them because we talked about it so much in the first part. But um, let's so we're gonna assume that they're not that interested

in tight end just for the purposes of this. Sorry, Brian James says, with Witten back, what position group makes the most sense for you in the second round? Probably defensive tackle. I'm just gonna say defensive line period, like if it's an end, because what's gonna happen is I'm

gonna keep I'm gonna keep Crawford. Then on the outside, yeah, and I'm gonna and I'm gonna have him armstrong and on the other side, I'm gonna have assuming they get Laurence done, which I think they will, and then think they will, and then then they're gonna have and then uh Taco. So yeah, I would they need more help? They do not have the numbers inside. No, that they do at least if we had, if the Cowboys had to play a game, then they hadn't needed a rotation.

They have four guys. Yeah, they do not have. They don't have. They do not They don't have enough defensive tap in my last market, had Ronel Ran from Arizona State to the Cowboys. That's not that's not a bad pick at all. And so that's Kaylin Saunders. You know that that's who you're looking at in fifty eight in that range. I'm sure we've talked about that. But again, you know, this is a team that's been reluctant to spend resources on one techniques and that's more of what

he is. Yeah, it's funny because if you we found about Melee Collins, where was he drafted? Yeah, you know, what's fair. Difference of eight picks, that's fair. You know, it's I think it's enough where it might not be the sexiest, but you know, it's what this team needs. I think for people that follow the Cowboys draft, I think they would find it very sexy. They're like, oh my god, we're finally drafting a defensive tackle. It's very true.

And Kaylin Saunders from Western Illinois talking about a guy that wants to play football, wants to be a big time player. His girlfriend literally had a baby during Senior Bowl week and he stayed in practice. Oh yeah, this is the guy that did the cartwheel or the backflip. Yeah, my butt would have been on a plane and go meet my first child. Yeah, he stayed. He played all the way through the game on Saturday. Yeah, on Saturday. I give him credit that that. I know it's a

job interview and that's expected, but good on him. Good question. What with the success rate they've had in the first round, do you think they try and jump back in or should they jump back in? I know it's a question we answered last night, but you guys, you're just sessed with him. No, no, no, But I just I think it's a fair que. I think it's fair like they've had success drafted first round player. You should never say never, But like what are we talking about? Like, who's the player?

How far are you going? What are you giving up? Again? Yeah, I don't want to blindly. You don't trade up for a position. You trade it for a player, and just depends on if that player is gonna be. I mean, would you trade next year's one and fifty eight to go get Montes Sweat? I would sure consider that because I really do like Montes Sweat. Yeah, he's one of my he's one of my Just imagining Brian, He's like, well, can he play right in like is he more of a left? Like does he have the been like six

o five six? That's like, are you convinced is he Like you would rather trade for an end than you would a tackle, right, there's not a tackle to you, there's not a tackle trading up for a tackle unless it's like in Dominican sue unless at Oliver. Listen, there's a lot of scheme questions of that Oliver if he falls to pick twenty two. But again like but again, like it's such a steep price. Yeah, it is. Is such a steep price, they might like him enough to

go do that. I mean as odd Marinelli's the coach here. You know he wants a freaking undertackle, always more and more undertackles. That would be fun. I don't see it happening. I think it's a long shot, but that would be one scenario where I could see your unrealistic yeah option of trading up to the first where I could see it happening. I just I'm just trying to create scenarios.

And we talked about it with Hawkinson, and yeah, at Oliver is one of those guys if you were to fall, Yeah, I could see him go give is you give next years first to get at Oliver? I'm not necessarily saying I would. I could see this team doing that. Okay, could you see this team move Okay? Wait, how about this? Then? What if? Where do you think that Simmons is gonna end up? Okay, because I've heard anywhere between twenty five and forty five. Oh, I'm so terrified of that. Do

you move up? Would you give one of your fourth round picks to move up to draft one of my fourth round picks? Wait? How how far are we going? We're gonna go end up in the second round. We're gonna try and try and get inside the forties. Case real this is just a good opportunity for a segue, because Joe asked, he said, talk trade up more realistically. Who's someone that you know, let's say they that's what we're trying to talk about. That. Well, I'm just I'm

trying to give jaw a shout out here. Appreciate Joe, that's what we're talking about. Who could you see falling to like forty five? We're all like, all of a sudden, you're talking about going up. Doesn't that fly in the face of taking the next step. Yes, but this team, you know, yeah, guy coming off an a Yes, he's not gonna help you. That's what I was trying to say, Dave, until you like to kind of like kick me in the junk. You're trying you just want me to trade

everything away like you always do. I was trying to go get a real players, a real player who can't play right now. Yeah, it's true. Let the Patriots draft Jeffrey Simmons. They've earned that, right Yeah. And then well yeah, okay, I mean like, are we trying to then we have to watch another ring presentation for the ninth straight year. Are we trying to take the Well, so cowboys are gonna win a ring drafting their best years, not gonna

playing that. Maybe maybe one day we're gonna we're gonna take the next step, or are we gonna like, well, next year just because Jeffrey Simons will be all except we just signed Jason Witten for a year and the next step, man, the next step? Yeah? Uh, don't you got anything on periscope? I think I used most of them. You saw your stuff? Maybe up here a periscope folk, and we'll try and get you. Uh, let's see, let's see, let's see a lot of people discuss thing they ask about.

Oh h Dalen Mac texas A and m as they ask about about him, Dane or round? What round do you think Dalen mac goes in? He's borderline top one hundred. Um. You know he's had a good pre draft process so far. Uh. Certainly back to what we saw today, we heard from the offensive lineman at the podium. Got you Jonah Williams Alabama left tackle. What was he talking about? He was kind of sparring with the media, wasn't he? He He the

moment he sat down, he knew the length questions were coming. Oh, he studied up on this stuff, and so he sat down. First words out of his mouth. He's talking Joe Thomas. He's trying to Joe Staley. He knows the tackles that came in under thirty four inch arms. Uh. And you know at one point he talked into reporter had had a great quote about, uh, if your arms were longer, you'd be able to reach a keyboard better. But it doesn't make you necessarily a good writer. A writer right line?

And so I know we have a clip of that count of Jooney Williams talking today I mean, I don't. I don't have to come up here and be defensive and you know, tell everyone they're wrong. Everyone's entitled to have their opinion. If your opinion is that there's a certain benchmark that you have to pass to be attack, well that's your opinion. I'm not going to change that, and my arms aren't going to grow, you know, like longer.

So I think you watched the film. You make your own You make your own decisions, and the decisions that matter to me is the one that these NFL teams that I've been speaking with this whole week. That's Williams. Hey dish it out a little bit, huh. He knew the questions were coming and he was ready for them. And if he came in under thirty three inch arms, then I think your concerns are not your concerns, but

the doubters concerns are valid. But he came in at thirty three and three quarters in charms, like I understand that falls below the thirty four inch threshold that some teams have. He has more than enough length and is tap is more than good enough to justify using a top ten pick on him. And listen, if you're gonna tell me he's gonna be a better guard center. I can understand that. You know, I'm not gonna say you're necessarily wrong, But don't tell me you can't love tackle

because the tape says you can. What's funny, though, if you want to watch Farrell from Clemson, that's a good tape to watch in the National Championship game. If you somehow you know you're the scouts out and sitting out there watching, If you want to watch Farrell have a have a good game, that's a great matchup because they went back and forth. I say Jonah got him a couple of times, got a couple of different times. Definitely a good time, a good good tape for Farrell. But

Jonah held his own more than a few times. So it was a good battle. Here. Are you gonna be surprised at what the order of these first round offensive tackles are, how different people will have them, whether that's williams Ford little Taylor Are you're gonna be gonna be shocked at any of the order. No. I mean because it's because I expect it to be volatile. I actually that's not gonna be something that's I think everybody's gonna be all over the place on that. There's no consensus. Yeah,

so we'll see how they comes. It could be Taylor than Dillard, than Jonah Williams. I mean, I would not be shocked at any of that order, Dane. Dane says it slowly and in nunciates. You're just like Dillard william like just like eight names. And I'm like, wait, he's talking about Taylor, Joan Taylor. Okay, No, I'll talk about the offensive tackle. I know, William Ford, Little Taylor, Cody Ford. Yeah, I'm like, says Dillard. We watched Dillard the other day. Man,

he was not He's got the feet. He's got the feet. Yeah, he's got I mean he might feed. He's got i'm sorry, bad music off the stage, yet knows exactly how to work the Old Gong show. Well that's that's all the time we have for the Draft show tonight. Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us. Uh. We do appreciate you know when you do that. We love the periscope, we love the interaction with the Twitter. On the twenty uh tomorrow, we'll actually have some guys working

out be able to talk about how these offensive lineman. Dane, one thing real quick. When you're watching these offensive lineman, what do you look for? Real quick? Ten yards split, three cone and then positional drills? How did it do in the mirror drills? Movement movement is bit okay. We'll be back with you guys tomorrow night. Again. Thanks everybody out there, and we'll see you down the road.