Draft Show: LIVE @ 2019 NFL Combine - Day 1

Center downtown Indianapolis. Uh, guys, excited to be here. Good to be here with you, Brian. Yeah. My twenty seventh combine nice was six for me, six combines for you, nine nine for the great Dane Brugler. So yeah, so yeah, that's uh, that's part of it though. That's that's the Grady. That's the beauty of this is that we get to come here and be a part of this. Enjoyed so much. It's so much part of what we do with the

Draft show. You know, we handled the early stuff with the Senior Bowl, did that all week, and then now we've got the combine to come to this is where Dane, that we get to see the medical, the interview, right, and then the actual workouts. We talked about that before we came here. Nothing has really changed as far as that goes, as far as you're concerned, right, And the reason we have the combines the medicals, and you know, unfortunately the top two reasons, the medicals and the interviews.

We really don't have access to that in terms of the player interviews with the teams and all that. But we will have access to the players here during a media session starting tomorrow. Offensive linemen and running lines exactly so, and then on Friday, but what quarterbacks, wide, receivers, tight end, So it will have a good mix of player interviews coming the next few days, and then on Friday we get to see the unfield actions. Start with the offensive linemen.

The running backs go through drills, not just the forty yard dash, the agility drills, but the positional drills, and that you can tell a lot with especially these offensive linemen. You know, how do they pop up, by their stance, their shuffle, and when you see these guys one after the other after the other, it really puts in perspective just how well they move or how well they don't move,

and so that really helps evaluation purposes. And as we started the combine, Steven Jones Jerry Jones will be on Saturday to end the combine. But we got a chance to talk to Steven Jones yesterday. He kind of filled us in on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, you Rob Phillips writing about that the direction that they might be looking at how they're going to evaluate these prospects in this upcoming combine. Yeah, we're really lucky because Stephen is obviously

he's part of the NFL Competition Committee. They start their meetings, you know, days before the rest of us get here. So we're fortunate in the sense, you know, we don't have to wait like the rest of these guys do you know, GMS and just started talking today. We got Stephen a day early. It's right there for you on the website. He broke down the draft, he broke down free agency, talked about Jason Garrett's contract, I mean you name it. You know, got off to a running start

like we always do because Steven's always here early. It's great, hey, it is. It does It makes your job a lot easier when you can get that kind of knocked that out of the way. There's a lot of talk about what's going on with DeMarcus Lawrence's contract. Yeah, they have to March fifth for a tag situation there. Yep, hopeful, optimistic, whatever you want to say about that that potentially that

they can get a deal done. Kind of get the like you hear whispers that maybe they'll have a deal done by the fifth, Yeah, which I mean, we'll see, that's only six days away. I don't want to, Well, this is a good opportunity in Annapolis. You know, his representatives will be here, you know, Stephen, it was a surprising amount of transparency, said, you know, they've made an offer to Demarcus's camp. They're planning on meeting with him here, and I just I think it's a matter of time.

Maybe they'll have to use the tag on him, like that. They're not gonna not sign to Marcus and they're not gonna not tag him if it comes to that, you know, like he will be under contract with the Cowboys one way or the other. Like I said, you know, Stephen doesn't know the timeline, so I definitely don't. But I just I feel beyond confident that a deal will get done with him between now and July. And as our ship was sailing very smoothly through waters here in Indianapolis

yesterday afternoon, burying the lead a little bit. Yeah, then our mask of the sailboat broke and we were rudderless out there really without I wish our I went. You know, we're we're on webcam right now. I wish we had a webcam of all of us when we were trying to check into our hotel, literally checking into our hotel, you know, running the credit cards for incidentals and all that. And that's when the news breaks, Not when we're talking to Stephen, but while we're trying to check into our

hotel that the news breaks that Randy Gregory's been suspended indefinitely. Yeah. Good times. Um yeah, kind of put a damper on the early going. It did, it did? It did put a little damper things were going along well. Dame Brugler, Dallas Cowboy fans, if they're looking for defensive tackles, defensive ends, this is something that Rod Marinelli talk to me about at the Star. You know, hey, I'm looking for guys. He kind of thinks third, fourth round, maybe that he

could could grab one of those guys. Does the Randy Gregory situation make you what you know about this team? Does it make you think, Okay, got to grab a defensive end first, or defensive tackle, which will stretch a little bit better for you if you're if you're talking about that guy maybe in the third or fourth round. There the defensive line group we know is a strength of this draft, but I think in terms of stretching,

it's the edge more so than on the interior. So fans, cowboy fans and fans, if you're of anybody, if you're a fan that's watching us from another team, if you are a team that needs a defensive end, you have to feel pretty good about rounds one through say four, at least, right And that's fair. But at the same time, it's also one of the more important positions on your roster,

even more so than on the interior. So I'm not going to bypass a really good pass rusher in the second round just because I feel good about my third round options. At the second round, I want a player. I want a playmaker, and if that's off the edge, especially someone I could take pressure off to Marcus Lawrence, I'm pulling the trigger. I'm going to get him, even if there is a talented interior guy. I'm glad. I'm glad you're not being a sunshine pumper right now, Dane. No,

that's what this show's not about that. I know. It's about being honest. Which yeah, and I wasn't trying to accuse anybody, No, I know you weren't. I just yeah, it's it's I think that's important because I think about that. Okay, So Randy Gregory suspended, and definitely theoretically it's possible he is reinstated in time for the season. It's certainly not something I would dream of counting on. That's a terrible idea that leaves you with Taco Charlton, which okay, well

we'll get to that. We can get to Taco. But you know, no, I want to ask you about that because Jason Garret. I asked the question of Jason Garrett today. Yeah, about Taco, you know, and what the expectations are Taco. He's a first round pick who has yet to play like it, who's entering the third year of his deal. And I think it was Bill Parcells who said, like, that's the year, right, you gotta do it if if you're ever gonna do it, you got to do it

in the third year. I think it says a lot about what he's done so far in his career that people are panicking about defensive end without Randy Gregory. I mean, if you've got a first round pick entering his third year at the position, typically you'd like to think you're good, which the fact that people think they're not is bad.

Well right now, if you as you look at it, you would say, well, it's it's Crawford and Tacco at the right defensive end, and then you look at Tank not and I would think I would think Tank and Taco on the left and Crawford and Dorian's Armstrong on the right. Either either way, but you got those four. That's what I'm saying though, So my main we can get to it. He's telling me, I got defensive ends in this draft, So I mean, you should feel good

about that. That's the route you're gonna go. You're making my point for me, though, because how much did you like Dorn's Armstrong. I think we had Dorn's Armstrong like in the fourth round me personally, and you liked him as a player. I liked him as a player. Yeah, he had a good training Yeah, absolutely, what did he do for you? See, that's the thing about it, he wasn't I mean, it's a and I'm better that he was better than was he initially better than Taco? Yeah? No,

and he wasn't bad. And that's my point. I'm not trying to I'm not fourteen games I believe he played. I'm not trying to crap on Dorn's armstrong. Yeah, it's a hard position to get production from unless you are Bradley Chubb or Miles Garrett, like the guys that can make an impact as rookies are going at the top

of the draft and not one six overall. And I think that that is the problem for the Dallas Cowboys is you're losing a guy who had six sacks, and you know, unless you're drafting this guy at fifty eight and even maybe then, you're probably not getting a guy in the draft who's going to make a significant impact year. Okay, take Bosa, Alan Sweat Ferrell, polite o, this burns, take

him out of this, take him out of the possibility. Okay, pick me a guy though that I can hang my hat and maybe I have to hang my hat on a guy at fifty eight is call your the kid from TC, call your Yeah. I think he makes some sense. Um, he's he has a big week this week just interviews. Um. You know he late bloomer. Um, you know, really wasn't a full time starter till this year, had six sacks. Um.

I think in ten starts. Uh. So he just has a big week in terms of proving during the interview process on the field that he is capable of, you know, being the guy. I really like his potential. I gave him a late second grade is that would fall in line with you know where the cowboys are picking. But I think there will be options. You know. Jalen Ferguson from Louisiana Tech, okay with you. I'm with you on this. He's he's a speed to power rusher. You know that

that's his specialty. Uses that length at forward lean where you can beat up on guys. All he did was set the FBS all time record in sacks. So not bad in terms of production. Uh, there's a lot to like with with Ferguson. I've seen him in first rounds. I don't that doesn't makes sense to me. But in a second round. That's where I think Ferguson would make sense if he's there at fifty eight. Sign me up, DeAndre Walker from Georgia. I was gonna ask you about

Walker from Georgia. Do you think he's a hand on the ground and do you think he's better standing up? And you know for a three four is he gonna be a T. J. Watt for this team? Yeah? Where you know, six two two forty six kind of right now is what we're thinking. And O'Shane is as a menez Winovich. I think these guys also fall now. Winovich is from Michigan, and I wasn't as I like him, but I wasn't in love with him. Okay, I really really was. Now Nimis, I had him initially really high.

I thought a second round grade on him, yeah, and then I started kind of going through my stack of guys. Nimis is from Old Dominion, by the way, just if you're falling along at home, and I was kind of thinking second round guy. And then also it's like, wait a minute, I got Walker, you know, I've got I've got some guys that I feel like it are a little bit better. I understand what you're saying about Walker. But with those guys that are do they fit this team?

Is what I'm saying. Because Zamenez was two hundred forty pounds. Yeah, at the Senior Bowl. I feel like I think y'all are kind of inadvertently making my point, which is that we talked about this off the year. There's always exceptions. Carl Lawson was a guy that you love, fell to the fourth round a couple years ago to Cincinnati, who's great right away. Yeah, but there are positions in the NFL where you can plug a mid round rookie right

in and expect success. Edge Rusher's not usually one of them. No, Like once, once you're outside the top forty, it's not normal. And so you know Dorn's armstrong. You know, he had a good rookie season for a fourth round defensive end. He played in most of the games, had a half sack and a couple you're saying, you're saying, no panic. I'm kind of saying panic honestly, not panic. I don't like the word panic. I feel I feel both ways simultaneously.

In terms of the draft. This doesn't change anything for me. Like you're supposed to turn over every stone you're supposed to take the best player available. Randy Gregory. You know, the Cowboys been saying for ever that these are problems that he knew, they knew, they knew. Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones were saying the day he was reinstated that these are battles he'll be fighting for the rest of

his career. So in that regard, like you shouldn't be shocked, It shouldn't change anything because you should be looking at defensive ends anyway. I guess the main point I'm trying to make and it gets away from the draft, so I apologize for that. But you know what have we been talking about this whole week since Stephen Jones started talking. It's like, how do the Cowboys take the next step? Right?

That's been a big yeah. If the Cowboys want to take the next step with this team as it is right now, if Randy Gregory's not part of it, they probably have to invest in Pass Rusher in free agency, honestly, and it doesn't have to be Ziggyanza, but they need another guy who can come in here and get them pressure. I think let me let me throw a loop into this. Let's say there is a Manta Sweat or to Chipolite or some of these guys who all of a sudden,

he's available twenty six, twenty seven. You call your buddies over at the Raiders and say they're sitting right next to us. Yeah, right here, But pick what are that? Twenty four, twenty four and twenty seven seven? Someone at twenty four? Okay, given up? See that's what that's that's the thing about it. Did you take a number one next year? Yea, Yeah, it's gonna take you one. It might take the fifty eight to get there too. It's good take it's gonna take both. So you have you're

gonna have to. You're gonna twenty four and pick ninety one. Those are your image picks. That's the first round or next year. That's just okay. But let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. What if one of those tight ends was sitting there at twenty four. Now it probably not probably not Hawkinson, probably not Hawkerson. But what if one of those other is the is it Sweat

or one of these other defensive ends that we're talking about. Yeah, a better option than you try to just paint a picture that well, you want to go get a free agent. Well this and this, it kind of goes back to my point is I don't want to be in a position where I have to mortgage next year's Draft four or something that I need. And that's the Cowboys always say that they don't want to do that. They want, you know, paper over their cracks so that they can

do what's right instead of what they need. And that's why. So again I'm not saying to go break the bank for Ziggy Onza, but even you know, even if it's a journeyman, they I think, you go get a guy who can be counted on to play. I actually, you know, before the show, I looked this up. I don't know if all these names are are realistic, but Alex okafor is a guy who had four sacks for the Saints last year. He hit a sack mark that Benny Curry didn't have a great year for Tampa Bay, but you've

seen him do it for years. He's on the wrong side of thirty. But again, beggars can't be choosers. Dante Fowler played a bit role for the Rams. Yeah, I'm fascinated to see what his market would be because he's got top ten talent. But has never produced like a

top ten player. And then Brandon Graham again, and this is it's a premium position, so these these prices will probably be inflated, Like you're not going to be thrilled with what you'd have to pay, but in light of losing your number two pass rusher, you might not have a choice. Okay, as we look at this draft, then from the Cowboys angle, veteran safety, veteran end, veteran tight end,

veteran wide receiver. M okay, it sounds like on top of the deals you got to do with your occurrent Okay, but if you could take one and now you take one and then you tell me, okay, in the draft, don't worry about this. Don't worry about this, don't worry about this. Right, take me the position that you don't feel the best about in the draft of the ones I just named, I think I have an idea what I would take. Set the positions again, pass tight end, safety, receiver,

slot receiver. Okay, yeah, for me, it's easy safety. In terms of what I feel good about in the draft. You're saying you feel the least good about getting that position in the draft. Safety, I would agree with that he's totally You guys are totally right and not to mention. Let's just totally right. Yeah, let's call a spade a spade. Yeah, guy, you can get in free agency at safety is far better than the options that are available to you at the other position. See, I would be terrified right now

if I had to draft a safety. I think that maybe terrified it's a bad word, mister, mister I'd rather draft is terrified of draft? No, No, I'm I would. I would be I would be nervous about drafting a potential safety. What about Jonathan Abram Mississippi State, you know, very steady guy. What about Mike Bella, that's a These are all names I wrote about these guys today. Yeah, these are all names you're gonna hear. You're gonna hear. You're gonna hear about Abram and Gardiner Johnson from Florida.

You know you're gonna hear about Thorne Ill from Virginia. But are they better than what we're talking about at defensive end? Are they better than what we're talking about at tight end? Are they better than you know? That's what I'm trying to I'm playing Devil's advo completely. Did you hear you see what Richard Sherman said about Arl Thomas? No, he said, this is a quote from today from the Athletic um. If Aallas is a player in it, I'm not gonna lie. He's going to go with Dallas. That's

his home. If the money is equal, if all things are equal, he's going to Dallas. So okay, that' sherm for the way. And Richard Sherman's actively recruiting, well, Earl Thomas to be in San Francisco. But he's being honest that it's funny he's going to Dallas. Well, it's funny that that. I had no idea. Sherman said that. But I you know, I was talking to a friend in

the league. You know, a friend I have in the NFL was like, well, talking to me about the Earl thing, and I was like, honestly, San Francisco's got more cap space. Sherman is there, it's like his best friend, and he'd have a chance to stick it to the Seahawks twice a year, and if push comes to shove, san Francisco can afford to offer him more money. Likely, if I

had to guess, maybe another year or two. So that's I mean, if if there isn't him, which I have no idea what the Cowboys are gonna do, but like that's the team I'm Stephen Jones talked about that. Stephen Jones talked about off the top of his head. Safety was one of the needs he brought up. Absolutely, and honestly, I'm not just saying this because it's what it's the

Cowboys problem. Like safety and and a bona fide pass rusher aren't though, I mean, those are two of the hardest positions in the league to find instant production at no doubt. Let me ask you that question again on camera. One question, the question about trading the first a first round pick next year's one and this year's fifty eight?

Would you do it for a tight end? Would you do it for and again we talk about, you know, Hawkinson probably not going to get him, but would you do it for one for Fant or for Smith or one of those somebody else in this draft? No? And because the tight end position is one of the deeper positions in this draft, Okay, so you don't you just like, if i Even'm getting Hawkinson, I'll do it because I think I'm getting a special player. I totally agree with

you on that. I like Fan a lot. Okay, I'm just not quite sure he's a special player, and that's okay. You can you know he's gonna be a good player in this league. But I feel good about some of these tight ends I can get later on, whether that's a Jay Sternberger or Isaac Nada from Georgia. One of these tight ends I feel good about getting later, especially with the way I know this team will use the tight end. So I'm not going to do that. Now

we're talking pass rusher. It's a little different, and I'm not trading up for a position. I'm trading up for a playlayer. You're going to get a player right exactly, you know, And there's a big distinction there. You're not just trading up to go get a specific position. You're going to get a playmaker or someone that you feel you're gonna have to You're gonna have a hole in your stomach the next year, not knowing you don't have a first round pick. This player better be worth it

if you're gonna do that. Well, see, the Cowboys just went through that. The player that they have a whole new stomach about is now really a Pro Bowl player. Yeah, it's doable. So you mean, as long as you're trading that asset for a Pro Bowl player, you know you have to feel like yahot's rolling. But I mean history hasn't always been great with the Cowboys about this. Part of the thing that made Amari Cooper a palatable trade is that you already knew he had Pro Bowl talent. Yeah,

I mean, you're doing this for a rookie. I mean, all bets are off. Obviously, the Cowboys deserve credit for their track record in the first round over the last ten years. But you never know, is there a position that somebody will trade up for anybody? Anybody? QB baby, I would say, yeah, there's always movement with the quarterbacks. Rarely do we see um. You know the stat the last three years there have been eleven first round quarterbacks and these offensive tackles, ten of them were traded up

for um. Yeah, you know is does somebody? Does somebody like the Florida kid Taylor better than Williams? And I'll tell you why bring that up? Why do you bring that up? I'm curious because I asked scouts. I bump in, you know, that's a great thing. Yeah, I read your story. You're mad because they all told you your guy's not the best guy. Well, I'm talking about what's about Williams, the the Alabama tackle. I'm like, let me ask you about Williams, a tackle from Alabama. And to a man,

it was Taylor's a better player. Jan from Florida's a better player. It won't be working out this week, unfortunately. But to a man, they were saying. And this is where I always find it funny that you know, you do a lot of work. I do a lot of work watching this tape. This is where the media scouts when they come to the combine now start talking to the real scouts. But I don't see I don't think it's it's not a consensus, okay, Like that's I think there's gonna be a lot of split opinion. Like when

I did my tackle rank. Okay, could be a trade up then for one of those guys. If you feel that Taylor's better than Williams. Yeah, because I think we're gonna you throw Andre Dillard in that minute. You know, I think Cody Ford. I did an interesting quote from a scout on Ford told me that he is a B plus tackle in the league, or can be an a minus guard. So where do you want them? Um? And so Cordy Ford will be looked at a little differently, But say what, they got a good guard there too.

Pronounce his name wrong, Sina Oklahoma, Yeah, Drew Samia, Samia, Yeah, Samia. Pronounce his name for me, Dane, I don't know it well, No, I always pronounce it wrong. Samia, Drew Semiah, Yeah, yes, he's he's legit. He's a top five guard in this draft. Damn righty is yeah? I mean, all right, maybe I'm maybe I'm just completely drawn a blank. But this will be the seventh draft I've covered. I can't think of

very many instances of people going up for tackles. Yeah, but if you want the right one, we usually don't have. This is a tackle rich first round. See, don't have that. That's what I'm saying you if you if you're going to go get some if you don't trust these quarterbacks. But it's also the reason why we might not see a lot of movement because okay, I mean, if I don't, I don't get you one. Taylor. Okay, you know what, I'll be okay with? Oh that happened to the Giants.

They settled on that Brandon Flower, that Eric Eric Flowers. Okay, no one, I'm just saying Eric Flowers should not have been he was nice. Yeah, that should not have happened. That's that's a mis evaluation. They settled. Well, No, what they did is they jumped a tier that there's a top tier guys. Then they jumped a tier and took a guy that should not have been taken that early. This see with this group, I think it's it's a little more palatable to take a Cody forward. If Jwan

Taylor's gone to be, you have to settle for Jonah Williams. Okay, oh no, I'll be okay, yeah, so you know, but you're right. I mean, guys fall these teams, They fall in love with players. If Juwan Taylor really is uh clearly the top tackle for some of these teams, sure, I think that's definitely a possibility. Again, we're talking about premium positions here, because you're not you're not going to

trade up for a back. You're not trading up for You're not trading up for a wide receiver, are you not? Maybe I'll take what with Marky's Brown going down? How many wide receivers going in the first round. Maybe DK Metcalf. We talked about that this morning. I think, yeah, yeah, Well also, I mean your initial you're a gut feeling about wide receiver. Did you have a first round wide receiver? No? No, And I mean DK Metcalf I have as a late one.

So I don't feel great about that. But when DK Mettcalf is six four, two thirty and runs a four four, teams are gonna be excited about. That's gonna run the shuttling exactly. That's and that's what that's where you know, I have visions of David Boston dancing in my head right now, but there will be some Scots who have visions that Josh Gordon out there just on the field in terms of ability. Don't shot me like that, just on a good way? Yeah, I know, yeah, I don't

don't fret. Brian's like, oh my god, a problem child. Yes, bring him on more and more and more. Preston Williams, yes please. You know, hey, you guys are gonna be wrong about Preston Williams. By the way, okay, we'll see not wrong that he had passed issues. And I'm not saying he's gonna have future issues. I'm just I just know what he had in the past. You're probably gonna be more right than I am. I hate when you're

like when hate when you're right. All right, we're gonna take our first break, and how about our only break. We're gonna carry this thing. And this thing went all right thirty minutes. We were loose a little bit later. Sorry, so maybe we'll stay out. Now. We're gonna run over. We're gonna run over a little bit. We're gonna get into your questions. I appreciate all the conversation to start

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is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys are on the club. We're back here at the twenty nineteen NFL Combine Indianapolis, Indiana Worth the Convention Center. We'll have shows for you every day now. Of course Today, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. We'll have the sing covered wall to wall, like Damee Burglar was talking about earlier. We'll have the players roll through tomorrow'll be the offensive line and the

running backs. Get a chance to kind of visit with those kids a little bit, learn a little bit more. Some possibilities of us getting to go in and watch some workout stuff too, so it will be Scout's eyes in there doing that. That'll be great things to do. I also want to thank everybody that's on periscope right now. We always do appreciate a periscope crowd. Joseph, who's on periscope, had a really interesting comment. He wants us to talk a little bit about Anthony Nelson, the Iowa Iowa the

Iowa defensive end, Dane. I'll try to throw it over to you if you want to talk about that. I think he's your prototypical bass end as a pass rusher, it's a lot of straight line. I don't know if he has a great bend. I was kind of disappointed his contact balance. Sure, but I'll tell you what his length. He knows how to beat beat up blockers with that length, those heavy hands. So where's where's a value for a

player like that? Who? I don't think he's gonna give you a lot as a pass rusher, but he's a quality rundefender. I mean, a high effort guy. You know what you're getting with him. I think his football intelligence has grown steadily over when he was at Iowa, and I think it will continue to grow in the NFL. So, uh, you know, is he uh will he be there at fifty eight? I think he's going to be in that conversation to possibly be there. And if he is, does

that fit what you want? Because I think you can move him inside on some passing downs, uh, you know, get another pass rusher on the field. So I think he definitely would be in the mix for what they're looking for. Here, I'm having which I having fas Tyrone Crawford here, I'm actually well, I actually watched him just how I know, I know you did, so I brought him up I'm having flashbacks of what we talked about with Taco, honestly, and I don't I don't think that

they're that similar when you watch him on tape. But just like that scouting report of like, well, he's never gonna be this elite pass rusher, but you know, maybe he can you know, do this and do that and just be a solid baseline guy, which that's maybe not what you want at twenty eight, it sounds palatable at fifty eight that's I mean, he's a gigantic, powerful dude. I think he I think he could be serviceable. I don't see a ton of like pass for rush yet,

like he doesn't bend right. Yeah, I mean it's like what you're getting from Tyrone Crows. They don't get outside of him that Tyrone Crawford remains underappreciated because absolutely as of his contract number that people won't forgive him for even though they would have signed it to. Absolutely, So I mean at fifty eight, I'm I'm fine with it. And again, going back to the conversation from the first segment, is like, when you're at fifty eight, exactly what are

you what are you getting? You're not give up something you're not getting von Miller. Okay, let me ask you this, like a guy like him or you would you compare him or they like and maybe it's a bad comparison. Jalen Jolkes from Oregon, same type. I did like jokes, Okay, I did give me some give me some con then on him. If that's what you think. Well, the first play I ever watched of him was Caleb McGarry just driving his butt into the ground Washington, right, Yeah, just

the first play of that game. Yeah, Um, McGarry got on him, two hands latch control Barry. Um. And it's just hard to get division out of my head. But yeah, with jokes, he's I don't know. He looks like a skinny small forward who has potential as a pass rusher, but he needs to get stronger. Yeah, and I just don't know if he necessarily will at the next level. Yeah. I picked up some late games I didn't have. Washington was not in my repertoire here Bowling Green, Portland State, UCLA, Stanford,

and Michigan State World. And so I saw a guy that did show the ability to kind of you know, when you talk about playing with your hands, you know you're right. I you know, again the lineman from Washington's you know, good blocker, and I mean he hooks up on you, that's gonna be tough. But I did I did see in these games though, he puts himself in position to make some plays. And I thought he showed the ability kind of retrace his steps to get up the field, come back, get in, I'll play. I thought

he chased the ball well from the backside. I thought he was really kind of a reactive guy. And I thought he played with some intelligence, you know, when things were kind of happening in front of him, the screens and things, he was kind of able to kind of sniff those things out and then get to the edge and then make that happen, you know, get on the outside. I said, despite the lack of his weight, he looks

comfortable playing in the guard. You know you were talking about moving guys down inside and letting them play a little three technique or rush. Yeah, I saw a guy that was able to do that and split double teams and stay active and not quit on play. So maybe again this is where this is where you look at scouts and you know, my you know, my question, what's up fifty eight. I gotta get him at fifty eighth. No, this to me is this is more, but this is more.

But I was thinking more of the third round guy, third or fourth round guy. I think this is the third round player. But I was just saying, if they if if you were talking about guys that are six to five, what was his weight at the Senior Bowl? He was six five and a half, six to fifty. Dane's just Danes just got the Senior Bowl measurements just right there. And my notes from the way ends unimpressive body type, Okay, but there you go. See so that I don't know, I mean, I just kind of saw

a bit different guy. But the Iowa kids a good player. I mean that's he is a really really good player. Are ye? Are both very thorough? Do you like you have to fight against what you're talking about, like you know, the first player or maybe the first few players you see, you're just like, well, and especially because I know, just from my perspective, I watch a lot of college football, you know, It's all I do on Saturdays and Sundays.

Wake up Sunday morning and I watch what I dv RT the day before, so I have an initial impression of these guys, and then sometimes when you watch the tape, it's almost like watching two different games. And so it can be tough when you have initial impression from watching just the broadcast view, but then you put on the tape and it's just a little different. That can be something that you're kind of fighting between your initial impression and what you come up with later. But you can.

It's funny because as a scout, you should always watch film early, middle late, if you can do it. Yeah, just to make sure because some guys will struggle. I mean, guys might struggle and then all of a sudden they get at the end. Maybe they're picking it up a little bit. But you know, as we're I mean, you know, we're at the mercy of when the tape comes in, right, And so it's just no question, it's no question. A little bit of a disadvantage for us and we have

to kind of weed through everything. But yeah, hey, work, get some questions for us on that Twitter of the twenty Yeah, yeah, I got some um big you'll like, like big big player, a lot of player specific questions. Good so Christian Christian, says Jalen Ferguson or Jay Sterton, Jay Sternberger at fifty eight, which good one. That's the Louisian attech Man. We have got some smart fans Weuisiana, tech Pass Rusher and the Texas A and M tight end.

That sounds reasonable for their arrange to a degree, Yeah, it sure does. Would you rather have? And I mean, you know you gotta keep their gregory news in mind. If you're talking about the Cowboys are well, you can answer it objectively too. I don't care, but M that's a good one. Ferguson, I'm gonna hang you out on that one. I see. I really like Sternberger. I think that'd be a really nice fit at that point. I have a higher grade on Ferguson. Um, that's tough, though.

I mean I would have to go Ferguson's high on my board. You know what, what would you go with? Great you have on Ferguson. Me on Ferguson. I got him the second round and I got Durnburger. I got Stumburger in the third. So if you if you went higher player on your board, Ferguson would make the most. Don't window dress your board. I'm not That's what I say. I'm not window dressing my board. Ferguson's my guy, might Sturburger, Oh my gosh, you'd be good to have it. I'm

I'm out on tight end. I've said that a million times, Like whatever did give me that? Why do you think he's out on tight ends? Why? Okay, let me ask you why you out on tight ends? I don't trust them. I don't trust the Cowboys to like to do to develop the guy the right way, and they've got a bad history of it. It's another kind of coach that

kind of developed this, Uh the guy you have. Now, those those kids, I think Blake Jarwin and Jarwin, Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz did a great job of coming on at the end of the year. They still combined for like thirty catches. Like, let's not overdo what they did. And why don't you give him swiming coach? That's another question. That's another question entirely. Yeah, Uh, what else is like it's another position where again, you know it can definitely happen.

But if you're drafting outs, if you're drafting these guys outside like the top forty, you're probably not getting instant production. And Dallas Goddard had a pretty hit, a pretty nice year for Philly, But like, what did what did he do? Like he wasn't well Jason Witten right away? Not even Jason Witten was Jason Witten right away. I'm a big goddard. I mean, how much of that was earth though? Sure, but Goddard is gonna be a big time I mean, this is this is a bad I'm okay again, I'm

being selfish here. I know draft picks are about four years, but Steve, I just heard Stephen Jones say six times in twenty minutes, take the next step, like this is a team, this is a team trying to get to the NFC title game, right, absolutely? Okay, Well, and it's a bad example because Travis Kelsey's arguably the best tight end in football. You know how many passes he called his rookie year, like one? Yeah, it is a hard

position to transition to also a third round pick. So if I and again I get it three years from now, he might be a beast. But if I'm trying to take the next step and not have to fire the whole coaching staff, let's worry about that later. That's how I feel I might be alone in that. Yeah, but that's how periscope. They asked though, is that you're tight end? Does the scheme require you to have these type of tight ends? I think? See, that's another thing we're trying

to learn about. If we're just if we're just spitballing here and just give me bring back Dalton Schultz and Blake Jarwin and let's find a way to get Tyler Eiffort on this team. And let's go. How about that when you're highest rated tight ends you've ever had, huh yeah before before just based on draft grade, what you hope for the player. Yeah, he had won my highest grades as a tight end. Uh, Hawkinson will rival that. But yeah, if you told, if you told me I

could get Hawkinson, then I'm listening. But I can't, so I don't even want to hear it. So you don't you want nothing to do with the Earth the earth Smith or not at any of those guys? Am I? Well, would I be? I? Like Nada? I watched him, Yeah, I've watched her Like they're good players. That's not my point. But again, what are we trying to accomplish in twenty nineteen. It'll be interesting they get wiped out, you know, pass rushers with defensive tackles, you know, and it's a tight

ends or the best options available. And if that do that, if that's the case, if it's just blatantly obvious that a tight end is your best option, then that's what you should do. But I'm just not losing sleep thinking like they got a draft a tight end. They they have to people on periscope agreeing with you? Are they good? Thank you? All right? I think he's right there, he goes, James Webb, says bo James Stephen Jones said yesterday backup running back as a team need in the later rounds.

Does the fourth round feel too early for you? And how would you rank holy Field out of Georgia, Montgomery out of Iowa State, and Trevion Williams out of A and M. Montgomery would be first feel from listening to y'all, I've got a couple of steps above those. I've got Henderson, Williams, and Montgomery all in the third round. So if you're telling me their fourth round, if they're looking at a guy, I think all those guys are gonna be gone in

the third myself. That's kind of a sweet spot now for these teams picking these running backs in the third round and people are gonna look at history and say, huh, get a guy at sixty seven. Huh, get a guy at sixty A ye, exactly exactly. People. People are gonna look at that third round and they're gonna say, man, there's some cats. There's some good cats at that, you know, in that round. So I don't think those guys even

make it to the fourth. Okay, for the Dallas cowboys sake, for the cowboy's sake, say you draft defensive end at the fifty eight, you're gonna go running back it you're gonna go running back it if one of those guys

on the board. It No. I'm gonna take Steven Jones at his word, and I think he's right, Like you're the first the first three picks, well, I know you don't have a first round pick, but first three rounds we always say those are guys that should start or at least play significant roles, and you're backup running back. It's not with Zeke on the roster, it's not enough.

There are some things where I think Steven will kind of let his you know, he's not trying a smoke screen anybody, like I remember at this time last year at the Combine, he had a couple of comments about defensive tackle. Yeah, like a whole show talking exactly and he didn't sure. I mean, he did not try to fool an. We're not drafting a tackle in the first round if he can't rush the passer. Yeah, that's how I feel about running back in the first two days for this team. I just that's the vibe I got

from Steven, and I don't think it's happening Love. How about how about how about Bryce Love? I wrote about happening the third No no, no, no, no, no no no. But could this Could you see this team just taking Bryce Love and going with what they have right now? I'm torn between thinking Stanford Bryce Love. Sorry, folks out there, I'm torn between being intrigued by the upside, Like I mean, I don't want to compare him to Jalen Smith, but a similar situation where he could be a really good

player once he gets healthy. How about with questions of contract with Zeke coming up, I don't know the way Stephen was talking. He made it sound like, Okay, yeah, of course we're gonna pay Zeke, Okay, but it wasn't mints and Wargen's about that either. But would you would you go ahead and would you be comfortable at say fifth round too early to take? I'm torn between the take Bryce Love, I'm there the potential verse again go back to my tight end point, like he can't help

you in twenty nineteen? Would you take him? With the story fourmber come back? All right? Adrian Peterson can do that. I don't know put that on a rookie, I think with his running backs, I just I feel so good about getting a running back later on that I'm not gonna if the right ones there in the fourth round and late fourth I should Snell Kentucky Benny Snell. He's I don't know. I think he's too much like what

you have with Zeke. You know, he's a he's a pounder, like he's a guy that's gonna take abuse and keep them coming back. You know, think about some of the other tight ends they've looked at in the past, like Edo Smith or Nahem Hines or you know guys that can maybe do a little bit different things than than Zeke. So in this group, you know, would they look at a guy like Justice Hill from Oklahoma State? Study him

you know Jalen Moore from app State. Okay, okay, if the two guys should just name thumbnail me a scouting report on the guys and which one would be a better fit for what you're trying to do. Justice Hill is a really productive at Oklahoma State. I mean he played an offense where he was giving them some big holes. Oh yeah, but he's elusive. You know, he can make guys miss. I hate to put you on spot comparison, kype of guy. I don't know. I mean, he's I

hate when people do that to me. I'm sorry about that. He came in one hundred ninety eight pounds and that's a big thing is he's a little underweight, but he's so shifty and he can make guys miss. He needs to prove himself here at the combine in terms of catching the football. Um, and just you know, being a guy that you can rely on being more than just running through huge, gaping holes. Um, And we'll see if

you can do that. Steven didn't tell me anything specifically, but I just feel like starting on day three, all bets are off, Like I think they would do it in the fourth. I think they could wait seventh. It just depends to have some fun in the draft when there's a value match up with the guy that's on the board the periscope they like, they like the Memphis running back by the way. Sure you can't take him in the top one hundred though, I mean, I know that's what I'm saying, and I think you're in a

half to Yeah. No, thank you, no, yeah, thank you, sorry, Stephen said. Stephen Jones was like, yeah, well, Gurley and Todd Gurley is the jumping off point for Zeke's next contract. Like he volunteered that, nobody asked him about it. So when I hear that, I'm like, all right, well, Zeke's gonna be here for like six more years, so I'm not worried about and drafting a guy in the top

one hundred to be an expensive backfield. Yeah seriously, um, Dominic White slot receiver question, who would you rather have with your third round pick? Toledo's Deonte Johnson. I like him, by the way, Penny hart our guy from George Georgia's I can never remember, so uh. And then speaking of Georgia, Mikole Hardman, the Georgia receiver number four. Hartman is that is that the right range for all these guys. Probably I got Hardman. Yeah, Hardman, I got those two and

all three of these guys. You probably gotta take it ninety one. Yeah, okay, Yeah, I didn't like I I you know, I didn't like Nicole Hardman that much. I'm sorry. I know he seems like he's garnering interest, like he just a special athlete. He's oh, he's incredibly fast. But and I don't I didn't watch freaking two seasons worth of tape. I'm sorry, I'm not Dane. Yeah, I know. I asked him the same questions, like, what's the point? What what did you okay on the little study that

you did on him? What did you not like on him about a very very limited route tree from what I saw? What did you like about him? He's a special athlete, give me, give me the special athletes and all you know, with the most out of him, it's just he But can you live with being a special athlete without having the routes? Tavon Austin's a special athlete. Yeah, I'm not gonna say on the stage of not bringing him back. I don't think that we didn't talk. We

haven't talked about him at all. They sound like they're kind of I'm not gonna say on this table and go for Micole Hartman. I mean, I like him, but I'm not gonna like you know, all those three wide receivers. Who are you gonna stand on the table four? I don't think i'd stand on the table for any of them. No, no no, no, no no. If you just had Penny Hart. I haven't watched the Toledo Kid, but I like Penny Hart. I like that Toledo kid a lot. Yeah, I like

him too, And he's gonna special team's ability. U. Penny Hart's gonna be kind of out of sight, out of mind because he is not here in Indianapolis. The biggest snub good Year. Good keep it that way. Yeah, maybe it pushes him down around. But mcole Hardman is just he's I don't know, when we watched Dante Johnson together, Yeah, I don't know. I liked him. He's just he's out of control a lot um. But he's a he's a big time athlete. He's a quarterback in high school. Just

there's nothing about his route running at all. You're talking about, you know, and and and this is this is totally unfair because I'm just thinking they went to the same school. But who's the who's the receiver that came out of Georgia a year or two ago, who was like a kick return phenomen Mackenzie isah, McKenzie, Yeah, that's I went to Denver. Yeah, that's he's fast. He's just he's just

throwing these kids. He's all together. You're just fast as hell, like and and that's awesome, But like, what else can you do? What else you got? People are asking about Mitchell from Oregon, Dylan Mitchell, Yeah, Nelson ag Yeah, carbon copy. Um, you know, I I like Mitchell. He's a like I said, he's he's Agalore where you know, you see speed, you see uh, you know, ability to be a vertical threat. I don't know drops were an issue. Focus was an issue. Uh,

not very nuanced with with the routes. Um. I think he's a row just a very raw player like he was. He was a bigger basketball recruit than he was in football in high school. Uh. And so I think he's still learning in football. I think he's still working on his confidence. He's still like, I think he's gonna be have a route awakening when he gets the nfl um and just in terms of you know, having what it's

what it's gonna take to be a pro. And so that gives me a little bit of pause with Dylan Mitchell. But I like him, you know, not like that much more than in any of these other guys. Um. I think he's right there in that mix though, with Hardman and Johnson, and they're right there in that late third, early fourth. Who's the receiver that nobody's talking about. Nobody's given any love to that. At the end of the day, we're gonna go, okay, and you're gonna said, I told

you so, I told you. Is there a guy that you have that that nobody's you know, nobody's really all right, here's a guy, Darius Slayton from Auburn. There we go. I knew I could get you to say, Darius Slayton, he's I tell you what. First time I first time I watched him, I wasn't impressed. No, yeah, you admitted it. Went back and we watched him again and yeah, he's a good player and he's gonna have some drops, and you know, I thought it was interesting. Um, I think

it's Frank Wright, the Colt's head coach. Yeah, he talked about this today during this press are talking about how you can don't get too hung up on the negatives, right with a with a player, you know, like you can live with a few bad drops. Tell me about the impact plays, yeah, you know, And so consistency might be an issue. He might have some drops, but this dude can. He's six two, one hundred ninety pounds and

he can run and three eight is legitimate. You talk about guys trying to take angles on him, he's running through it. And I watched quality games old miss Texas in Mississippi State, people that can legitimately play defense, especially in Mississippi State with all their guys, And I mean he he embarrassed some guys with the way he Remember Sammy Coachs from Auburn. Yeah, he's like Sammy Coachs except better. I mean he's like actually shows the ability to run

some routes. He can. When you said that, I was like, I don't know if I love that. So he mean he can on comebacks, he can create after the catch. Yeah, he's got a little bit of yack to him. Oh he can drive him those guys me when his routes he drives guys off the ball, and you could see the people are nervous about playing him when when we get done with this week, Darius Slayton, you heard it

first year. A lot more about Darius Slayton because he's gonna run really well and he's just a big time athlete. Won't chock me at all when he goes top one hundred. He's not under the radar because he played at one of the biggest programs. And well, I'm yes, Darius Slayton. But the guy I'm not to mention. You see the name like nobody like I feel like nobody talks about Paris Campbell and choosing not to go to the Senior Bowl as a reason. But he's he's another guy who's

gonna blow up this way. That's like I'm gonna not I mean, I hesitate very hard to compare him to Mike Thomas coming out of Ohio State, but like, that's a guy I could see getting drafted low and being like way better than his draft stock indicates. Yeah, I

mean there's a big difference between him and No. I'm not trying to compare their abilities their tape, just in terms of like you're like, why did this guy get drafted seventy The thing with Campbell is he just everything is he was he was like a gadget guy basically, you know, like he was the he was the Percy Harvin in Urban Meyer's offense this year. You know what, Percy Harv is pretty damn good play than the player. But he you know, where's a lot of like he

had this year. I think he had like three catches of forty plus yards, but they were like screens and dump offs and like he doesn't run downfield routes and so it's just he improves his hands this year in terms of his catch rate, but I have he's just so unproven as a route runner. I just but he's a big time athlete. He's gonna run really well. Um, the verts, the broad that's going to be ridiculous. So

big time athlete, No question. I could push him up into the top forty, top fifty because he's going to test off the charts. You know. Jalen Herd from Baylor's not working out in this Comboy, which is at the Senior Bowl. He said, one hundred percent absolutely work Exactly what do you think set back there? We'll have to find out a knee injury for his Bowl game, right, Yeah, it's just a minor thing. Had to but I will say this, Yeah, he's a good player though. Uh do

you know who? Do you know who did this surgery? No? I do not Cowboys doctor Cooper? Okay, who back next week? Doctor Cooper's really Dane with the tidbit third or fourth US circle? Uh? Okay, this is Jalen tape? Like this tape is really good? What he was a slot receiver? Yes, he's a slot receiver who looks like a running back once he gets the ball in his hands, because running back absolutely fun to watch. I'm a fan. Got another question there, this is This is a self these questions,

don't we this is self serving? I mean, I don't we don't need to answer it, but like this drives me crazy every year. I'm sure y'all can agree. Ryan, no offense, Ryan sorry, says how much draft capital would it take to go up from fifty eight to get Hackinson or the other tight end? Would it help to throw Jordan Lewis in on the deal? And I just like every year, I feel like people don't have a good grasp on what trading up in the draft entails because what we did the math. The charts changed from

year to year, but we did the math. We could get to forty one, fifty eight and ninety one, could get you to could get you maybe twelve spots, thirteen spots. In twenty fourteen, they went from forty seven to thirty four by using their second and third round pick. Right, So you're talking a dozen spots, maybe a little more, maybe a little less, depending on the team you're dealing with.

If you want to go into the first round, it's going to cost you your next first round pick, almost certainly because minimal Jordan Lewis, I mean Jordan Lewis, he's a good player. I'd like to see him play a little bit more. Once you get drafted, your value like it's like driving a car off the lot. Right, Like he was a third round pick. He's not worth remotely that once he gets drafted. It's kind of dumb, but that's just the way it works. I appreciate people trying

to go out the box center thing. Love that stuff. What Dan, where do you think Hockinson goes like top fifteen? Right? Probably? You know, it's just you know, tight ends are weird because there's only so many that need a tight end. This guy's get the Lions. I think this guy's rare can take him at eight, I mean the possibly at ten. That that like you know how you feel about Joey Harrington, Like Lions fans, coaches, scouts just must drop their head

when they hear that name. Yeah. But my main point being if okay, if you got to get up to eight to get Hackinson, like what is what? What could you even give up? Like you'd have to give up so much? Yeah, he's like trained for a quarterback. Yeah he's going to Yeah, in which that doesn't make sense. He's going he's gonna go somewhere top twenty five. It's just it could be as high as say eight, or he could still slip to say twenty four. Like I

think the Raiders would be all over him at twenty four. See, that's what I think. Which that would be interesting to me if that's where your scenario, we're training for training for Hawks something. I think that's the earliest, the earliest you could try to do that type of yea, And if you were going to do it, you're getting rid of next year's one. Yeah, No, you're getting rid of next year's one and fifty eight to draft this player,

maybe more, depending again, depending on the team. Poor Raiders say they don't play the chart real, well, we just throw shade at the Raiders all day. On the open market, what would Jordan lewis thinking? Get? You think sixth? I think at best? Yeah, But I mean I like him, but what has he done to prove to another team that he's worth something valuable? Yeah? That's I mean, if you want to trade Zeke, we could maybe talk about getting some Yeah, but we're not doing that. That's crazy.

Who could you get the most four if you traded that player on this team? On this team? Who who could you get? Who could get quarterback? Runner for the desperate team? It's gotta be a quarterback. Huh oh oh. Zack Martin's a good answer. Yeah, Zach, he's still young, he's got I think, yeah, Zeke, he just signed a new deal, Zeke, Zach or maybe, I mean, I don't know. You could probably get something pretty nice for Layton vander Esh he's freaking twenty two. He's got four years left

on his deal. That's true. Yeah, Because and I don't think there's a linebacker as good as Layton vanders in this round. This is but yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, one of probably one of those three or mate, you know, once he signed back, I'm fascinated by that. I don't know, I don't, I don't and it's so polarizing, Like you know, it would take the right team that was desperate enough, and just I'm sure you could get something nice for

him from the right team. Yeah, or and hey, after watching what the Bears gave to Oakland for Mac, I think you could probably do something nice with the Marcus Lawrence also true. Now we're just gonna invite a million people into like, well, what if we do this? What if we get rid of our best player? And how many picks get though? No, it's it's it's fun. I

get it, But I don't think it's practical. I don't think. Again, if this team's trying to take the next step, why are you trying to get rid of your best players? The best thing you learned from from the last two days of something you did assume something you didn't know from Steven Jones, and something and something you didn't know from Jason Garrett. Did not know that Randy Gregory was

gonna get suspended. No, we um. They they knew Zeke, they knew they knew Stephen Jones being so forthcoming about He's like, you know, we're gonna give Zeke Gurly money, like he said, and his direct quote was something like, you know, we've already budgeted to pay Zeke that deal. Like again, it would be one thing to say, like we think the world of Zeke and of course we'd like to get something done, like very noncommittal, very complimentary,

but very noncommittal. Like he was pretty committal. He's like, we've budgeted for this. Girl's the benchmark will make it happen. I was like, okay, I didn't know that, um, And you know, you know him talking about you know, he's identifying defensive line as a draft need and that was before we knew about Randy Gregory, so that makes sense. Uh. Safety was when it just came right off the top of safety too. Yeah, he seemed very optimistic about Cole Beasley.

And then actually that's the Okay, you remember, before we came to the combine, I saw, you know, you can kind of get an inkling for what they're thinking. And I brought up the example of like two years ago we kind of started hearing like, well, maybe Jeff Heath can do it. You know, if we lose Burry Church, maybe Jeff Heath can do it. What does Steven say yesterday,

Alan Hurt? Maybe Alan Hearns can do it. Maybe Alan Herns will be our slot if Cole Beasley leaves, which I started hearing alarm bells immediately, I was like, buy Cole and you know they'll have Hearns and maybe they'll try to draft a guy. Which it's too early to say that definitely, but that like when somebody offers up a name like that, like when somebody like Steven Jones

gets specific, Yeah, that says something to me. Yeah, he's been taught personal meetings talking about this stuff, Um, Jay and Garrett Jason, Garrett kind of said, I mean he said he expects Sean Leeback. Yeah, that that was something we don't usually learn a lot from Jason, but that

that counts national coaches general mansion stuff. You were listening today, Give me a national perspective of something you might have learned from a team that you maybe didn't know or you know, or interesting something to keep an eye on. I mean, you have to talk about Steve Kim and what he said about Josh Rosen being the guy right now, right now. Um No, I've been saying all draft season, like, you can't just say far their coach after one year.

That tells you where their mindset is. You can't just you do not eliminate Kyler Murray as a possibility at one. Yeah, it's a realistic possibility, and it's gonna be fascinating to see what the market be for Josh Rosen. I don't think it'd be as great as some people think. Um Like, I'm not sold they get a first round pick for him, because I think people need to remember that as you just did like a ninety two You ever seen that gift of Bruce Arians Like, like, that's what Brian just did.

Because remember there were probably only three or four teams that were seriously in on Josh Rosen as a first round pick last year. Okay, if Josh Rosen was in this draft, where would he fall at quarterback? See? The Josh Rosen discussion is very difficult to have because so much of it is personality, the way he carries himself. It's an intangible position and you know, I just it's it's a hard conversation to have because we don't know

the teams that are. Like I said, they were only three or four teams that were in on him last year. I mean there were he was a fourth quarterback drafted. I feel I feel like an idiot because he was the one I felt the best about. I keep calling him Matt Ryan. It's too early to close the book on him. Yeah, but it's again if you it's an intangible position. If you don't trust him to, you know, be a leader of men. And I mean you can people can you know, would you take us to it?

All they want? But did you take a second round pick for him right now? If you're the I mean, well, if they you're going to draft Kyler Murray one, you have to trade Josh Rosen. You cannot have them. No, there's no there's no doubt. Yeah, so I mean you take you hold out as long as you and take would you take the Dolphins second round pick or they Jacksonville Jaguars second round pick? I think you wait until this,

You almost have to wait until the draft. And you know, you tell me the Redskins wouldn't give up fifteen overt Yeah, you gotta hold somebody's feet over the fire and be like, yeah, give us the first round because I mean, look, I like Drew Lock, I like Daniel Jones. If you're the rest, That's what I'm saying. You were you were kind of noncommittal there, but like I think it's like John Rosen would be the second best quarterback in this class behind I mean you could Murray would be back. Yeah, I

mean I think based on tape, Yeah, I'd agree with you. Okay. The thing is, it's just again, it's a hard conversation to have because a lot of teams are turned off by just how he his interactions with the team and how he carries himself. Teams don't like smart players. They don't. That's they don't. I'm convinced that that's true. All right, then, well that's all the time we have for tonight. Gosh, I love you guys. Back tomorrow. I love being here

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