Draft Show: LIVE @ 2018 Senior Bowl - Day 1

David Hellman. Uh, As I said, Day one, guys of the Senior Bowl, really an installation day, Dane, and uh, you know, we had the wag ins in the morning and then we had the practices in the afternoon, both the North South getting after it today again more installation teaching things like that. But kind of want to get you guys comments. I know you day we're kind of running around having to do try and track down the owner and general manager. Really was a really busy day today.

It was a busy day for you and I know that for all of us. But I want to get into as we get started, I want to get into the way in itself some surprises with you, Dane. I mean, we'd been working on you know, when you watch this tape, we get the heights, the weights, the speed. Some of them are estimates, you know. Some of them are stuff that's done from pro days in the spring. You know some of these guys. Yeah, the body types, the weights,

the heights, all that change. Any surprises when you looked at the way ends today, I think usually there's surprises every year. I didn't think there were too many surprises this year in terms of what we expected going in. Yeah, Um, Desmond Harrison coming in at two hundred and seventy nine pounds. That was surprising to me, the offensive tackle from Georgia. And it wasn't only just the weight, but just his frame.

He doesn't have a typical offensive tackle frame. He'll probably be able to get it up to mid two nineties by the combine. But I don't know which wasn't impressed with this frame. I think the rest of it, uh was more about what we thought. I think when you look at Marcus Davenport from ETSA, right, that's how you want an NFL defensive end of Look. Yeah, almost sixty six, two hundred and sixty pounds, thirty four inch arms. Um. I think Levi Wallace took a lot of heat for

being under what was one seventy six. Yeah, you're right. I was impressed by Levi Wallace because I thought he played day. Yeah, I'm talking about physically. Yeah, the arm length arm, I mean, you put him in an NFL strength and conditioning program, he'll be able to get up there. Probably one eighty five, I think. But you know, you can't fix short arms, and he doesn't have short arms. He has thirty three and three eighths in charge arms for a corner. So I thought Levi Wallace was a

name that really stood out this morning. And then quarterbacks. I mean, you look at Josh Allen. He just blessed with impressive jeans because when you look at him, he's almost six five, two hundred and thirty seven pounds over ten inch hands. So I think for the most part, the way as were what we expected. Anything that caught, yeah, I was. I wanted to kind of get into and the one note that I had you have some day, I'm sorry you was up there. I no, go ahead,

I want to see what you say. Yeah, you know, I was looking at these wide receivers and I was looking at Marcel Eightman. Yeah, and here's a man that measures six to four and is two hundred and sixteen pounds Oklahoma state wide receiver nine hands. You know, I'm thinking of a guy, a bigger guy, but he catches the ball. I mean we saw that today, the way snatching the football, the speed and all. We've talked about that, but I was a little surprised to him being that

big and Heley having nine inch hands. Yeah, same thing with Davenport, he only had nine inch hands. That is interesting when you see the not quite proportionate to height and arm length, smaller hands like that. It is an interesting part of it. That's a good observation by you. Yeah, I thought two go ahead, Dave. I'm sorry, Well no, I just you know, I'm thinking about people listening at home right now, and I would probably be in this category,

like why are you talking about heights and weights? Like, oh my god, I don't care. But I think back to this time last year and Dane kind of had a moment about Jordan Lewis and his measurements, and right, you know, this was a big day for him proven to people that he's he fits the size you want in a cornerback, right, YEAHA probably I think we the conversation, was he solidified that he's got the measurables to be

a first round pick. Obviously, off the field stuff contributed to him not being that, but based on his first year as a Cowboy, I think we would agree that he has that kind of talent. Yeah, so I wonder all of that is a roundabout way of saying, I wonder if there's a guy that fits that category for you this year where you're like, he needed to come in at this height, or he it's really good for him that he came in at this way that type

of stuff. That's a good point because, yeah, we knew Jordan Lewis was short, but when he came in with thirty one in arms, that was that's yeah, that's what got Yeah, that's what Will McClay will tell you. Right. Will McClay is okay with the short corner as long as he's got long arms. Right. So you know when you think, oh, the Cowboys won't take a short corner, well, they took a short corner. And let me tell you, there's some really good short corners in this draft. You know,

there's some guys that Will will need to see. Uh you know what the in fact, the arm link is some of the you know, back to Dave's question about kind of who we thought, you know, kind of like at Jordan Lewis, who, Yeah, we had an idea of what his measurables were, but he had to come in with you know, like arm length. And I think one of those guys was ogbo uh our boy from Oklahoma our corner. I can't even Dane can't say that one

trumps me up every time. That's a but Okay, we knew like he's a he's an undersized pass rush and we knew that. Yeah, but he came in at thirty four and a half inch arms. That's for him a one row five sounds fass good, good luck. Yeah, I'm not there yet, no, but I'll tell you what. But you're right, and you know, and here's a guy that is listened as a defensive end. Kind of feel like that the Cowboys are going to look at him as a linebacker potentially. So we'll see there one more guy

if I could point out too. And Dane's brought up this name quite a bit because we're trying to find that left guard at fifty. If you're trying to find the left guard at fifty Okay, now you tap was three hundred and forty pounds, carried it well and carried it well, he looked. I talked to him today, Will Hernandez. Yeah, here we go. I need to be a better job with this three day school. And not the name he is.

He looks more like a tackle than a guard, honestly, standing square bill guy, and he I mean holds yeah, and he he's impressive. He is impressive though, And yeah, he was three hundred and forty pounds. But I want to go to Isaiah Win. Yeah, Isaiah Win measured in at six two Georgia measured at six two and a half three hundred and eight pounds. Obviously not a tackle build. So this is gonna be a This is a guy that played left tackle at Georgia and is now is

going to be projected inside at guard. Kind of a funny built guy, kind of a longer I mean, you know, yeah, because he had a shorter upper body, longer lower body, and he had over thirty three in ye and so I think that gave you some comfort that if you needed him to kick out to tackle, he could do it right in the NFL. But I think just like just like Zach Martin. Just like a few of these

other guys, you know, tackle to guard converts. Once they get to the NFL level, we feel like they're best place. They're ideally suited to go inside. I think that's with Isaiah Win. I think he could be a ten year starter in the NFL. I think he's really good. But you're right, the body type is a little very round mid section, right, But no, I think he plays on

his feet though. That's the one thing when you watch this tape if yeah he did, if you if you have a chance to watch Isaiah Win, he's a tackle at Georgia. He rarely his uniform is rarely dirty because he's rarely on the ground. He is one of the best position blockers. Leverage, turn, reach, snatch, all those things that you want to do with an offensive lineman. Perfect for what the Cowboys want to do with this game, with the game of you know, with Paul Alexander, if

you watch the Bengals play, he'll pull those guards. Movement, yeah, a lot of movement. Zack Martin is really good at that. I felt like that Ron Leary redid his body two years ago to be able to play in this kind of scheme. When is that kind of guy? And for me, so yeah, I'm looking at you know what when, yeah, I don't, I don't. You know, I don't have a problem with him. I really don't have a problem with it.

I think I think people will get on them. But then you look at Jonathan Cooper was not a mammoth looking guy, and and and and I think when it was a similar athlete coming out of Georgia as what Cooper was coming out of North Carolina, I see it. I see an athletic guy. I mean, I don't see a guy that gets knocked back and all that stuff. He's still a very balanced block. If you want the strong, bohemoth kind of guy, the big guy, it's Hernandez. Yeah,

he's the guy. Okay, that's that's the fifth fifth. He's both because I think he I think he could. Yeah, I got some questions about you know, okay, three hundred forty pounds, could he lose some weight and stuff? I don't think he doesn't. He doesn't. He's not a sloppy guy, no, not at all. He carries it very well. He moves

very well. He does not need to. I mean, he needs to make sure that weight doesn't balloon the three fifty, but at three forty, I have no problem with him keeping that weight and still fitting zone schemes, movement pull. He can get out in space and be just fine. Yeah, I'll tell you what those were a couple of things. Now, let me ask you this though, the fact that the draft show is about the draft. You know, we are Dallas Cowboys folks here, but it's just about the draft.

I want to get into the quarterbacks real quick. Yeah, you know, and that really the marquee names we're on that we're on that north side, and it came down to with Alan and it also came down from Mayfield. Just your initial thoughts about what you saw both quarterbacks today throwing the football. Josh Allen was at least in this first practice exactly what we saw on tape right Wyoming.

He'll have some throws where you watch it and it's just it's beautiful, right it zip with the arm placement, timing, it just looks like an NFL throw, big time throw. We saw that today. But half the time you're impressed. Half the time the ball placement's off, the timing's off, and you know, in a setting like this, you kind of give a pass to quarterbacks. They've never worked with these receivers before. You know, it's against air, it's not

against a defense. Yes, well, talking about some of the some of these drills, but with Allen, it was just the same thing we saw at Wyoming. Yeah, half of it's great, half of it's inaccurate throws with a lot of issues. So we'll see. The big thing with quarterbacks is progression through the week. I mean with all of these guys, but especially with these quarterbacks, will we get better from Tuesday to Wednesday to Thursday. But Josh Allen, he's got a lot of money riding on this week.

And I mean I say that, but even when we get to the combine and beyond, teams will still make excuses for him for some of his mistakes. He's just he's one of the most fascinating prospects that we've seen, you know, in all the years we've been doing this. Yeah, I think to me and I have some notes to like twelve thoughts going up on Dallas Cowboys dot Com from the practice, And I wanted to ask you that because with Josh Allen, there's no question in the armed talent,

there's no question. I don't think he knows where the ball's going. No, I really don't. And and there were times where his receivers did a nice job getting open on some incuts and the ball wasn't even close. And You're right, it could be a situation where I'm not used to working with a guy. You know, but you're thinking, if a guy's open, hit him, because you know you're not getting hit. This is a this is a practice situation,

so make an accurate throw. If I was watching that today, I would say, like you said, boy, there is a lot of tape that I saw where I saw this. I was gonna say, I mean, it's great that he's not this is an unfamiliar environment for him. But doesn't the stats bear that out too. Yeah, No, that's what I'm saying. I mean, he but somebody's gonna fall in love with this guy. Somebody will fall in love with

plenty of guys have already fallen. I mean, hey, we'll see how this week, how it affects everything moving forward. I would I'd absolutely be in love with him if you were talking about second or third round pick, but like top fifteen pick, right, Yeah, I'm the guy I like to boil down things to just be as simple as possible, right, And maybe that's not fair, but like if you can't complete sixty percent in the Mountain West,

I'm just terrified. Yeah, it's the draft comes down to evaluation and then evaluation evaluations, figuring out who he's going to be at the next level for every prospect, and then the valuation is trying to put a value on him, because that's just as important as the evaluation part because you have to know, Okay, where am I going to be able to get this guy? And the value is sky high for Josh Allen right now, and who knows,

things changed. We still have a long way to go, but it's I mean, I still think he's going to go somewhere in the top ten to fifteen picks. Se quarterback. Desperate teams are out there. I'll flip the other way on Baker Mayfield having to travel then he had the family issue with this and we don't have exact measurements. Yeah, we don't have exact measurements on him and all that, but I will tell you this though, watching him in pre practice take snaps from underne center and drop the

first two that he had and then watch. You know, Mike Sullivan, the quarterback coach at Denver work with his feet, you know, and trying to get him. You know, the coaches in that situation are just like, here we go. All right. No, it's just you know, I think they no. No, the fact I'm gonna applaud both him and Alan for showing up absolutely no, because he could go this to me. And again, this is something else I wrote about today

or this evening. I feel like though this is the start where now he will know where he has to work. You know, this week of practice will be real clear to him. It won't be Hey, listen, I've got to work on my feet. I've got to work on my drop.

I gotta work on where the you know, where I put my shoulder where me This guy could throw the football, there's no question he could throw the football, but mechanically can he do the things necessary in the pocket to get away from so now people will play him in the gun, there's no question about that. But he's gonna have to play from underneath sit or some you know, And that's where I think that this week will help him.

But for me, all right, forget his mechanics to get everything like the two things about Baker Mayfield is like a lot, like a lot like our own. Dez Bryant really is like the two things about him is he a super competitor or is he a punk? Like those are really that's the right And the fact that he's here, I mean, the Heisman Trophy winner, all of that. I lean more toward competitor than punk. I mean, not that you make the whole evaluation on that, but that goes

a long way. Like I mean, the guy that just won the Heisman Trophy coming, you know, most of the guy. I mean, you know, in this day and age, the number one go hid well, well, the number one overall pick, Like not that these guys aren't talented, but the real super freaks are the juniors. You know what I mean? You know, the number one overall pick will probably be a junior if I had to guess. And so not that I don't want to call this second tier, but you know what I mean, Like, he doesn't have to

do this, He could go to the combo. I applaud him because the fact that he's here, it says, I mean, I agree, I totally agree. I have a new respect for him because he is the highest of trophy winner. But I have respect because he knows his shortcomings. I think he I think he does. I think this week will tell him. All right, man, this this pro coach, you know, it was telling me and I need to you know, I need to get hit it on this step or I need to turn my shoulder. I need

a guy like him. And I know Sam Darnold and Josh Rose and aren't eligible anyway, but like they're like more prototypical quarterbacks who are supposed to be able to do this type of stuff anyway, they would have more to lose. Like everybody knows this guy is coming from a you know, a more college spread system, Like he's he's what you would call a project anyway, Like he doesn't have anything to lose. He's not supposed to come out here and look awesome, right, so just come compete.

And he did, and so I appreciate that he got better throughout throughout practice, especially in the team part of the drill where you know he you could tell he's just a competitor. I mean, I need to feel like we're that's the buzzword with with Baker. But it fits it just it fits who his play style it fits. You know how he performs when the lights are on, he just he steps up and he just does it. You know, He's just a natural play in the quarterback position.

Why am I so in love with Shaqim Griffin? Because? Why? Why am I so in love with him? The the linebacker from Central Florida? Because how do how do you not if you don't, if you don't like Chachim Griffin? And when he offers, tell me why? I you know what we saw all that tape and I hate to keep talking about him, but to see him live, yeah, I mean I I just I can't even the words for me. Him rushing the passer and stuff today and they were dropping him in some things. I mean, we

got to figure it out. I mean, we got to figure out where he goes. I mean it's always always know, yeah it is. That's my guy today. Let's get down to brass techs. Where are you drafting him? You're taking him in the fourth? Aren't you? Total badass? No missing a hand? Yeah again, because you have to again the valuation part of this. What is he a starter? I can't keep myself from watching him play. That's the that's

the scout in me. Looking at him and going that guy right there and makes plays, and then and then and then all of a sudden, I'm like, but Brian, he doesn't have a left hand, and he's two hundred and twenty three pounds, and where are you gonna play him? He's a tick above six foot. If you have a how just makes plays. If you have a specific role for him, then you know, yeah, put him on the field and him tackle people. That's my role for if it only is that easy? Yeah, I wait, you know

you're talking to a guy. I'm doing radio now because I couldn't find enough guys like him. Well. One thing I thought was interesting was the Texans practice. This is an All Star game. It's four three bass? Oh what do they do with him? During the Houston? Yeah practice, they mixed in a little three fourth. They sure did. They sure did. From USC same thing. Stand him up, let him. Yeah, another guy, another guy that nobody could block today. Yeah, when you get when you coach these guys,

you get to do what you want. You're like, you know what, let's see what this guy can do. You know what? They were doing everybody a favor though, Yeah, they were. They were doing everybody a favorite. That's what these coaches to do that. I mean, wow, going way back, Marcus Smith from Louisville did the same thing, like she moved in and out. Yeah, they do that. Do you have a player today fell in love? Don't fall in love with my guy because he's my guy. I don't

think I was too surprised by anything. I mean, the Fort Hayes d tackle I like a lot. Talk about him a little bit, Shepherd. That might be a tell me more guy one day. Right. Yeah, he dominated a D two tape, so you know, it's kind of one of those things where you have high expectations, but you kind of you temper them a little bit based on, you know, the competition he was going up against on that tape. But he came here and he proved he belonged. Uh,

big guy power, but he also moves. He's nimble. Uh. One of my favorites of Harrison Phillips. Uh. Stanford. There's a Stanford guy, and I talked to him today. You're about higher on him real quick. Tell me about what Harris. Give me a person, give me a personal He went to Stanford obviously in and I um, I thought it was really interesting because the main thing he was talking about, and that a lot of these guys tackle, yeah, well, like what what do you do well? What don't you

do well? Or And the big thing with them is actually Brian O'Neill even said, he's like, now are you asking me what I don't think I do well? Or are you asking me about what people say I don't do well? Which I thought was a really interesting tackle from Pitt the first round offensive tackle from Stanford. Though um he was basically he's like, you know, I get pigeonholed and people think I can only do one thing. But if you want me to two gap and read the play, I think I can. If you want me

to brush the passer, I think. You know, penetrate, I think, and I mean, all these guys are supremely confident. But that was the main thing I took away. As you know, he declares himself a very versatile guy. I don't know if you all agree with that. I think so. I mean, he was a nose tackle and Stanfords three four, but you watch him, he did a little bit of everything, and he's he's a right place at the right time

kind of guy. And that's not by accident. You don't have over one hundred tackles in one season as a nose tackle if you're not talented, not just physically, but between the years, understand you know what's going, what the offense wants to do in the right place at the right time. Those instincts and he has them. It's a big reason why to me, Harrison Phillips somewhere in that late first round, that's where you're trying to consider him. Late first round? Yeah, absolutely, so the overall or is

that not late enough? I think they'll be better players on the board at nineteen. But I mean I think, yeah, wow, you're SMI why, I know, I thought you were gonna say in the fifty. I thought you're gonna say it fifty. I didn't think Phillips. Yeah, he should be long gone by then. In my opinion, Yeah, I think you should be long. Okay, Well let me ask you this though. If you're trading back in the round, you know, say you have to move back and one of those guards,

one of the guards are availed. But you go back in the draft and we've talked about her Nandez, you know, we've talked about those guys. I mean, well, Win Phillips, Win or Hernandez for the Dallas Cowboys. I mean, and I think of those three if you trade back, say you're in that in that Travis Frederick situation where you hit it at thirty, you go from nineteen to thirty. I would take Phillips firstly because I think he's a he's a first round player. Yeah, of course you do.

I mean I like Win and I like Hernandez too, But to me, those they're both early seconds, you know, like somewhere between thirty five and fifty. Yeah, and so I you know, you take you take four Phillips a lot more than me. Yeah, that's fine. That's He's not a he's not the best athlete out there, but he's athletic enough. He's not the strongest guy out there, but he's strong enough. You can see that wrestling background, right, you know when he plays, and again, the instincts, I

think that's what really separates him. Uh so, I yeah, plug him in at the one and yeah, I'm a big fan of that. Give me, give me the diffender, Just give me the defender. Will worry about you would rather the one than the guard? Yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm gonna let Jonathan Cooper. Are we too high then on those two the two guards, then no, just this is my opinion unless I listen to your opinions. Nelson, I'm not drafting an offensive lineman in the first round

to find the Cowboys. Damn No, thanks, Not a single one unless it's Quentin Nelson. There you go. It's the only one I would draft, and he's not. If he's there at nineteen, it's because he murdered a guy. I was gonna say a gas mask video about an hour before the draft, exactly, something's going. Something's going. It would say, actually the draft show, and then you have murder instead of the videos. It's actually a video of Quentin Nelson, and then and then and then you need you need

to have a conversation. Okay, yeah, about whether or not you taking at nineteen. No, that's I'm just saying he's not gonna be there at nineteen. And then to me personally, all right, I'm going defense. I'm going to different position. I'm gonna let me hit him with this one. Go for a big guy Hurst or Phillips. Then he goes to conversation, hang off drafted, You've mock drafted, Maurice hearst out of Michigan. I'm sorry, like a little five seconds. So that then it goes to the conversation about a

three technique or one technique? You know, Malie Collins, Where is he better soon? One? You convinced me he's a one if you told me his best play was at one, and I thought you'd like him at one, I know. I mean, I'm not gonna play with a bad foot. Not that I dislike him at one, but I'm not sold on it. I'm like, I'll deal with that later. Get me to training camp and I'll figure it out. Have we overrated or is everybody overrated? Vita? My feelings

hasn't haven't changed. I mean, I think he's the traitor off the charts. I just there's some technique issues, some discipline issues, some effort issues. Um, I don't like him. As high as he'll go, he'll he's probably gonna go someone in the top twelve twelve picks. So if he's at nineteen, that's a no brainer for you, right Yeah. I mean he's on my board, my top fifty board. He's probably gonna be somewhere between seventeen and twenty five

to one him or Phillips. Probably, they probably goes there. Ryan's just making you put together a knee tackle board right now. It's January twenty three, and I'm gonna We're gonna good at what you do. And I respect your opinion. No, we still got a lot of valuall. We sure do. But I want to make sure how much I want to see how much you like Phillips. I like, I

like Phillips as a late first. But I think we talked about the one techniques veya Duran Pain and then Phillips, Yeah a Pain right Alabama and from Alabama, Ryan, Yeah, probably that one. In if you look at the All Star Games, you would be like, you know, you're that guy. And then you watch the other games against the playoff games. Yeah, you watch the playoff games and you're you're you're just

you're just like I said. But then you're in the season, yea, the season you're like yeah, and you're like going, yeah, not really doing very good against Ella Shoe. You know, well, who stood out the most for you today? Oh? I told you, besides Griffin, besides your love affair for Griffin, I'll tell you what give me? You know who really stood out that receiver from Colorado State Gallop. I'm glad you mentioned that, wasn't I'm just gonna now you're gonna

turn the tables on me here, huh no, No, don't. Okay, Like you know, full disclosure. Brian kind of mentioned this at the start of the show the first day we're in Mobile. I'm almost always bird dogging the Jones and you did a great detti on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Don't see a lot of the first practices, and I don't. I haven't gotten to one hundred prospects yet, like you guys are two thousand, like Dane. So I've heard the name Michael Gallop, yeah a lot, and I'm like, okay,

he was in Belinnikoff running. He's a good receiver, Colorado State. You know, just something about it didn't wow me. I'm like, he played in the Mountain West. He's probably nothing special. So I come out of the you know, I come up into the stadium out of the breezeway just in time to see Michael Gallup go through a rep, you know, and like he didn't do anything amazing. He made a nice extended cat. But I just first time I've seen him period, and at all. And I'm just like, Okay,

this is a different sort of cat. This is not what I was expecting when I heard Colorado State. Well, and you just you just perfectly summed up Michael Gallup like he didn't do anything amazing, but he's just consistent, yeah, you know, like he consistently makes the plays that he should. He's not the biggest, not the fastest. You know, his entire skill set doesn't wow you. But he just makes

plays and he's consistent. But and I get the thing that again, you know, that's my bad for underestimating a smaller school guy. But like he's he's a big, sturdy dude, like he you know, he's not the biggest receiver in the world. But I was expecting like I was expecting Lucky Whitehead, you know. And that's not fair on my part. But he just he looks the part of a dynamic He ran a route. He ran a route today. And and you're gonna get on me about this the player

because it's our guy from Dubuque. Yeah, Division three, okaye. And and it's hard men, because he wasn't terrible today, No, he wasn't. Michael Joseph was not terrible today. He held his own. He did hold his own and I was worried about that. But he held his own. But gallop cork screwed him in the ground. I mean like like he gallop, I mean, did he gallop past him? It was yea captain Punn but no. But I'm just saying

there's things. Watching him run routes, I was like going, Okay, well, the kid from Oklahoma State Washington wasn't bad either today in a big week for him, because yeah, we know where he wins. We know what player. Yeah, route running, how would he do that? Uh, he's got to have some work on that because every ball I saw him catch, test could test it. Yeah, Well that's good, right, because that's what he does, that's that's that's you know, we

know the ball skills, strong hands. But I thought he did a nice job beating press his releases off the line. The routes. He needs to get better and that's where I'm eager to see him tomorrow and Thursday to see the progression. Yeah, with gallup, you know, I was surprised because at the way in a little underwhelming. He was under two hundred pounds, his arms were under thirty one inches. You know, he just he doesn't physically value kind of

think what we're talking about. But during practice he just caught everything to him. He was and some of those balls weren't exactly to him. No, not with Josh Allen throwing to him that it was like, yeah, and you gotta handle that fastball because Alan he can let it loose. Yeah, he's he throws a fastball. And so Gallup had himself a nice day. I think, you know, we look at these wide receivers. We talked about it in the preview. Yeah,

with these wide receivers separate themselves. Uh you know because James Washington and eight men and and Gallup. Heyman's a teammate of his Oklahoma state, right. I mean, all these wide receivers are kind of log jam, second, third, fourth round. Who would kind of step up and say I'm the top wide receiver here and here's why, Uh you know, And I don't think anyone did that on day one. But we saw positive things from Gallop, from James Washington and Alan Lazard I thought did some good things. But

the drops kind of bothered me. How about the day. Speaking of drops, what about a guy from Missouri. Yeah, jim On Moore. Everything was tell me, I don't mean to bash on a kid, right, but man, he looked I don't know if he nervous. And I'm you know, I'm trying to again, Jay Mom Moore from Missouri, and I don't want to get missouri folks mad at me. But no, I think Missouri's folks understand because there's some

of that on his tape. He plays fast at times, you know, when he gets a little he doesn't play under control. And that's the difference between him and like a Galloper or some of these other guys who understand how to use the body and nuance and their routes to beat defensive backs where everything's so fast and he loses focus. He jumps when he doesn't need to, he falls away from the catch when he's trying to make the catch. There's just a lot he needs to improve on.

In day two. In day three, because it was not a good day for Yeah, I was, you know, you never want to see these kids struggle. And it got to the point where every time I looked up, he was dropping a ball. Yeah, And I'm like, oh my gosh, there's something wrong here, you know. And Dane I think bright lights many That's that's for sure. That is for sure on that Okay, ken't I'm looking at you right now? Do we need to take a little bit of a break. Are we good to go? Okay, we'll take a little

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Day two. North South practice will be back full pads to Mark too, so that'll be good. See a lot of contact going on to get a little bit better idea. Okay, with all that being said, I owe you guys some Twitter questions. So Dave, what do you got? All right? We'll start off this is a good one. It's a guy that that we have and we'll talk a lot about a polarizing guy because we said maybe you know, had had a bit of an acclamation period today, but

had a great way in I'm talking about Marcus Davenport. Yeah, and it just seems like he's one of these guys that he's got widely differing evaluations. Um, you know, it didn't look like a top fifteen player today. Okay, well, so Carlos, Carlos wants to know basically why, like what you know and how do y'all feel about him and reconciling?

Then can I can I put my theory out there about playing on two feet in a two point stance and then all of a sudden having to put his hand on the ground and then figure that out, you know, I mean I think that to me, I think there was some uncomfortable moments for him today rushing the passer there, and I felt like that, you know, step up in weight class too, some of the offensive tackles he was having to deal with. But I didn't see a guy

initially that looked like a dominating player that. I mean, this tape at San Antonio is outstanding. I thought, to the point where you were thinking, oh, yeah, he could be a top fifteen pick, but today didn't see the passion. I'll tell you what I did see. I did see a guy extend play with some strength. Two hundred and fifty nine pounds, by the way, I think some of the time during the year, he might have been two

thirty eight, so he's put on some weight. But I did see some extension, did see the ball have a hard time getting to the outside of him. They played him at left end. He wasn't a rite end, so they put him at left and they kicked him inside, and they kicked him inside a tack when you're right. And he looked awful. I thought I was expecting the opposite, expecting him to look good. Okay, I thought some of

his best plays in practice came from inside outside. Yeah, now this is what we're talking about here, because there's no there's just different. No, he didn't have a great practice. Yeah, he's a traits player. That's what you'd excited about him. And you know, it's funny because I I really liked him over the summer, I really liked him earlier this fall, and I thought, you know, this guy's gonna be a top one hundred pick. Right in my first mock draft

backed in November, I put him in my first round. Yeah, the top ten, top fifteen. Talk as a little much, Yeah, I mean because you know, you're really banking on everything clicking for him, which it might, right, but you're drafting and based on the traits, uh, you know, the basketball background, the athleticism, he's gonna look, he's gonna do a great job to combine the article. He might hit forty, right,

that's the plans. Yeah, so you get excited about the athleticism, the potential, but you can tell how raw he is based on these practices, like he's still kind of figuring things out, you know, the move to move transition. Uh. You know one thing I thought or that really stood out to me when he was facing Alex Kappa from humblest Division two, who had a nice first it wasn't bad. Yeah,

offensive line play and pass rush. It's kind of a race to see who can break down the opponent's rhythm first, right, And I thought Kappa got the most of uh of utsa right, more than you know, a couple of times, right. And so he did a nice job of kind of you know, taking him out of it. Whatever plan that Davenport had, Kappa took it away and he couldn't encounter in time. So yeah, we're still seeing how how unseasoned

he is as a player. Uh. And you know, we talked a lot about Taco Charloton being a similar in a similar way. Say that. No, I mean, I mean that in a way. But no, we were I felt like that we painted a picture what Taco really was. Yeah, no, I hear you and to me, and Taco was a late first round and we're talking about Davenport has been a possible top fifteen. Yeah, I mean, go everything. I think most of what we said about Taco in the build up last year probably played out pretty well on

the field. But yeah, I like I like Raw. I don't like Raw and a quarterback. I'm fine with Raw and a pass rusher. That's that's my attitude about that. I'm interested about that about the defensive tackle because I felt like there was a couple of times I looked down there and he wasn't getting off the ball, you know, and I was why, And that was why I was just kind of watching it, going Okay, now he looks worse, don't put him inside. But hey, I trust you, because again,

if you describe how we have it, it's seniorable. We're in the press box and there's a lot of things going on. Yeah, I mean there's like a lot of drills on the field and you're trying to you're trying to keep an eye on the offensive defensive line. You've got middle drill going on with the with the linebackers and backs, and oh down, here's the one on one. So a couple of times, I mean, I just didn't see it. But you know, I again, I thought they're playing the run was better than what he was as

a pass rusher today. Keep this brief because we talked about it before the break, but Warrior for Life once a head to head comparison of Gallop and James Washington, which I think is fair just because you're I mean, we're talking about them being in a similar range as far as grades go, right, Yeah, it goes back to what we said about who's going to separate themselves, And I thought on day one I thought both played well. I don't think one separated on themselves from the other.

But Gallup's just that he's solid, well around it, doesn't have a lot of weaknesses. He's not gonna vowue. Meanwhile, James Washington has arguably the strongest hands in this draft. He can win contested situations vertically, he can stack the corner, gain a step and go better than Gallop can. Although Gallup did get a few vertical chances. Yeah today and practice did a nice job. So I think with Washington you have probably higher upside as a player, but as

a route runner, Gallop gets the edge. And that's that he is absolutely right. You get to the NFL talk about technical skill with receivers, that route running ability can be the difference, and right now, Gallop gets the edge there. Yeah, I totally agree. I'm just reading my notes on Gallop from watching Oregon State, Colorado, Alabama, Emboise those games, and Dane painted the accurate picture exactly what my note said here. And I like how that he can win off the line.

I think that you know, you see him high point balls, go go get it, He'll run, comebacks to the ball, stop start quickness. But the last line is runs routes. Well that's that to me, right there is what you're talking about. Washington is still a work in progress when it comes to route running, except when it's a vertical route. We've seen him get past people. When it's a vertical route,

he will separate. I don't like that, but to me, that's where Gallop again that's the kind of the head to head all right, received We have not mentioned this guy at all, which I got a few questions about this, which leads me to believe he must have popped on NFL network or something because Jeff and a few other people want to know about Dave Sean Hamilton. He had himself a very good good day of practice. Uh, Penn State wide receiver. Sorry, that's my job. Yeah, these the

wide receivers in the north practice. We talked about Gallop a couple of other lazard, but Hamilton, he just went out there and made plays. Yeah. I mean he caught the ball well away from his body. Uh, he was using subtle moves as a route runner to create that spacing randan out one time where I felt like he was here and did a nice job securing the ball, you know, get the feet down that kind of thing. And that was one where he did not roll out the red carpet and tell the dB right there was off.

Yeah exactly. I mean, so he did a nice I think that might have been Penn State on Penn State crime. There was Christian Campbell the corner, right, but yeah, he did a nice job. So I thought, you know, he's another guy. It's not gonna value from a heightweight, speed perspective, but he's just a solid player. First time I've seen him play myself. Oh man, I haven't seen I haven't seen him any other thing. But he's Penn State's all time leader and catches. Yeah, I mean he's he's got

the resume. Yeah that Penn State has been playing football for a little bit, so a few years. Yeah, he has the resume. And you know, the combine is not gonna you know, Chris Godwin last year from Penn State, right ran like a four to four one or whatever it was, and he kind of, you know, created some buzz. I don't expect that from Hamilton. You know, he's not gonna have explode at the combine, but here in this type of settings where he can really impress. And I

thought he did on the day. I got a stack Another day tomorrow. That's the thing we'll see tomorrow. If the buzz is about him, that it's all about. You know, we talk about guys that you know, two three days go up and then you know we've we've seen, especially a receiver, it's hard for receivers to keep momentum. How

many times have we've been at training camp. Yeah, and all of a sudden we get two weeks in and the receivers start to fall apart, one of the most obvious positions where your screw ups are, like, I mean, any but he can see him, right. That's that's why to me, the corner wide receiver one on one battles, those are my favorite. There's nowhere to hide in those battles,

So those are a lot of fun this week. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that you hadn't had a chance to watch him, Brian, because uh and Dane, excuse yourself from this, because you've seen everybody, but Johnny wants to know about a guy that you haven't seen much of, who you know, you like, you like the look of them, They passed the eye test, they had a good first day whatever, And I mean, all right, it can be a guy that you haven't watched that much of whatever.

I mean, you guys have watched the majority of the guys that are here. Can I give you a guy? Yeah, who do you go? I didn't know anything about Danny Johnson, a cornerback from Southern Louisiana. Louisiana, what up? Baton rouge boy. Yeah, and uh and I he's a Southern Jaguar. He's five nine, he's one eighty two. He's not gonna wow you with the measurables part of it. And he was not even a high priority guy, to be honest with you. I

look at my players off Dane's boards. That's how I start, and so I look, you know, I take the top guys to go through. I've done one hundred and three players now, so I'm on my way. But I have not seen Danny Johnson. And here's a guy that showed up that you know, and I I he might not have the skill of the other smaller corners that we've seen, but I was impressed with his movement and he wasn't shy about jumping routes and playing routes and contesting the football.

There were two snaps where when I saw him on a slant just and that's a if you're a corner and you're playing the slant and you're making it a contested play, you got my vote. And then he turned around and then the next thing you know, they're running out on him. And who's driving downhill to contest that ball? That guy, Danny Johnson cornerback, Southern University of Baton roof. He's cut yeah, oh yeah, very little fat on that body. But he's just you strike a match on him. Yeah,

he's a smaller guy. I mean when I watched his tape, it's kind of hard to get a fuel for him because in the MEAC they didn't throw at him much. Yeah, they knew how good of a player he is, right, Uh so the South Carolina State tape. Um, this is why the Senior Bowl works exactly. This is why you give Phil Savage credit. But putting together some guys you know, from Dubuque and from Southern and places like that, because let him compete against some big guys. Sure, you don't know,

you really don't know. And you know, Danny Johnson probably won't be he's probably a Day three guy, if but yeah, if that right, But you know what, he probably will find his way on someone's team. Malcolm Butler wasn't a Day three Yeah, yeah, no, it's you know, it's there's

not a the end on his story yet. But for a player that's undersized like that, you need to be never walk on water, Yeah, you need to be above average in at least one other category and I just haven't seen that yet from him, but a maybe tomorrow or Thursday, he will give me one day. Um, you've watched him all. I know you've seen everybody. But whatever, I mean, I think the Brandon Parker kid from North Carolina A and T, the tackle uh had some good reps.

Yeah he did. I think he kept some guys wide. Yeah, I mean foot you know kind of. He did play. I think a little better than I expected based on you know, the tape, because again he's more of a trades player, uh from North Carolina A and T. But I thought, yeah, he had a good day today. They got to play better than I expected him to. Yeah, all right, we know how you feel about Griffin Brian, but um, I'm sorry if that's no, no, no, no no, that's my pet cat to everybody out there, he's my

pet cat. If the Cowboys drafted him, if we're all sitting in there at the Star and he gets drafted, you're gonna see, like you know, you're gonna see a cheer, a big cheer. But he probably won't get drafted. Linebackers team like Seattle or some linebackers who's stuck out. And this is I mean that's that. This is not a star sune. This is the theme now because people are getting nervous about needs. Yeah, they're getting nervous about there's

not a lot of linebackers on that board. Yeah. Steve Thomas. Steven Thomas is traveling with us, our buddies. Steven's traveling with us from California. And we had this discussion this morning at the waffle house about that. I wish i'd been invited. Yeah, well we we had a private meeting. Steven and I had this discussion about numbers of guys on the board and if you have a deep position, if you have a like the wide receiver position is really deep, which is it? Real quick? Yeah, wide receiver?

What else are we saying? Yeah, okay, see see that's what I'm saying. Do you Yeah, you're having to evaluate a small number of linebackers and so we're are you looking at this saying, man, we have got to make this happen now. We can't wait, we can't wait for this thing to come back. And that's the problem. Roquan Edmonds or bust, Well, it might be you have to go.

You might have to go if that if it's one of those things if it gets down again, I've looked at only one hundred and three players, but I feel like I've looked at his top linebackers so far, you know, And so if it's one of those things where okay, I mean, I was talking some scouts this morning in the way and about Edmonds other teams, Like my guy said, hey, can play all the positions, can play all the position. He's not gonna be there for you. I went, oh, okay,

and then I asked another guy, what about this? H what about Smith? Great traits, you know, gets the ball. He won't be there when you're picked, though, you know, So now you're getting disheartened. Well that's what you think. You don't know when well, I don't know. You don't know when we're picking. That's what I'm saying, though, Well, is it makes sense? Though, the conversation that Steve and I had this morning, does it make sense? Is that a position you might have to go up and get one?

You always want to do this. You're always trying to get me in day to trade the pick away. Well, I want to go up, That's what I'm saying. You want to tread, you want I mean to go up and get rid of something, and I don't want to it's either one of those. Is Smith more worth it than Edmunds? I prefer Smith? Okay, let me ask you this, Does Edmonds make sense if you moved Jalen Smith to

Sam linebacker and let him be a rusher? We saw him rush, I know, but that just doesn't seem like a good enough role for a guy that you spent a top forty pick on. How much does her Sam even play well? But does it, excuse me? Does it give him the opportunity to continue his upward climb? Are we ready to say we saw him play thirty five forty snaps and it was fine, but we we do

we I'm not ready to say. And I'm I'm not saying he's gonna be trying to get an ideas here, guys, but I'm trying to But I'm not ready to close that book on Jalen as just a regular No. But well, if you're trying to make him a nickel rusher, that's what you're telling me, that's fine. I'm gonna tilt the conversation a little. But here's the linebacker we haven't talked about. Okay, that's the question I was that was yeah, okay, probably

third round. I'm thinking maybe Trey Williams from Auburn. Oh god, did he have a hit today. Got some got some questions about him that I didn't write down because he blew Who'd he blow up? The running back Penny Penny? It was more it was more of a miss block by the offensive line misassignment. But yeah, Williams did not hesitate to stick his nose in and he pick up the ball and run. He knocked the ball out of Penny's hand and then takes off run. It was physical.

His play speed, you know, it's something you like. I think you know in the third round six oh one, six two thirty nine. Yeah, I mean he's he's a well built, bringing on speed guy. So yeah, there's plenty to like there. I think hit people again at nineteen if you get wiped out at linebacker meeting Rokuon and Tremaine Edmonds, Is he a mike? Yeah? I think, I mean that's probably he doesn't want to get rid of Jalen Smith. Well I not get rid of it, but

you need you need another guy. That's this whole conversation. Need Edmonds because he could play all the spot, that would be nice. But even I mean, you know, even if it's just another guy who can play Mike and either spell Jalen or do the job for him, if you can't play either way, and in the third round, you feel better about that, Yeah, I do. First round Dane comment, I don't. I don't want to draft a linebacker at nineteen anyway. I just feel like you maybe

need to to protect yourself. There's three names up there. If you're telling me I can get a guy at eighty one to do the same thing I'm trying to do at nineteen, I'm so to throw your pen in the in the room when he gets picked before eighty one, Oh for sure. I just learned this guy's name. Final no, no, no. But we have to watch the tape on him, of course, and we do. That's uh, you know, going back to

the whole conversation about linebackers. You know, is a guy like that that you would think is normally a third or fourth round pick and get pushed up, especially after he I think he'll test well, yeah, you know, is he gonna get pushed up because of the linebackers. You don't love the depth in this class, so I like that could go ahead of where you would normally expect him to go. I mean, we talk about the first round linebackers. It's there's going to be a ripple effect,

you know, Josie Jewel. Will he be there in the second round? You know he maybe he gets snatched up. The same thing with this this guy from Alburn. I've got Williams. I've got a great Trey William Tyne today new pet cat. Haven't watched it down. Um you saw him hit somebody today. This is bad. Great. This is a great sort of behind the scenes question that I think you can answer, Brian, which I really want to hear about Craig. It's really it's weird and nebulous. The

Cowboys are making a boatload of coaching changes. They have not announced hardly any of them. Yeah, we have. We have a fairly good idea that Kellen Moore is coming on in some kind of capacity, right not got that from the owner in general manager today Jerry basically said we signed him to a deal. I don't want to say what it's for, but he's a career core it

makes sense to think he'd be the quarterbacks coach. I'm not He's not helping the offensive line, right, Not one hundred percent sure why we can't just say that, but whatever, So, uh, Kellen Moore's coming on Chris Richard is is coming on secondary's coach in about him passing game coordinator um Sanjay Lal has We do know he has been hired as the new receiver's coach, Paul Alexander. We talked about him

at the top of the show regardless. So a lot of new faces joining that room is basically what I'm trying to say, and Craig wants to know. And I think it's a really good question. How do these new sorts of hires or how do they or will they affect the type of players that you're looking for in this draft, because I got to imagine Chris Richard has a vastly different idea of what he wants. Then there's people to believe that Chris Richard would play Barn Jones

at corner. That's the I mean, that's the rumor that you're starting to hear, which I don't even know how that rumor has started. Because fans, our fans are smart Stephen Jones, which you're right, I mean, you can sort of look at his body type and guests. But Stephen Jones told me to my face two hours ago that may haven't even had those meetings about their personnel. This is where. This is where Chris Rashad and Paul Alexander and Sanjay Lyle this is where. Now that's why they're

not here. Yeah, they're back in Dallas watching pornover tape getting an idea. They have not had the personnel meeting that you traditionally have with your coaching staff after the season, so they're now trying to prep Now, what will happen is can these guys influence who plays where where. I think you have to listen if they come with reasonable sure opinions. And it's i mean, knowing where Richard is coming from, it's easy to look at Byron Jones and say, oh, yeah,

that guy wants Byron Jones to play corner. I think it's it's probably premature to say that's what's going to happen, but I get where that's coming from. But what do you do with a Woosier? Then? Well you could, I mean you could conceivably play a safety. But like that, that doesn't mean you have to move him. No, I'm just asking do you you mean he's your stars, your starting left corner as of right now, I would assume. So if you're trying to move Byron, see, I just

want Byron to be the handyman, dime back. That's what I want. Just yeah, play the tight end and do a bunch of stuff and move around and don't worry about being out on the boundary. Let's we'll let other people handle that. Yeah, he's uniquely gifted to do stuff that nobody else can. So that's what I want him to do. There's a lot of people that are ready to move on from him. I know they're calling it a bad pick. You know it's a bad pick. Mo

Claiborne was a bad pick. I saw you. It's I'm laughing because I saw you having this argument on Twitter a couple of minutes ago. Yeah. No, no, I mean a bad pick at six. I'll say, considering when you watch Fletcher Cox play, I'll say this, or Michael Brockers, I think Byron Byron Jones is a guy who like he has swung from one end, Like he used to be vastly underrated for what he did his training camp practices. You thought he was going to make the Pro Bowl, Yeah,

for sure. And I think he's become he's become the guy everybody wants to throw out the door, which I think is a little unfair. But I think it's also probably fair to say that if you're if you're not sure you want to pick up your first round picks, fifth year option, that's not great. Yeah, you want to ideally be like, well, obviously we're picking up his option. When do you think we're nuts? That's what you want. So the fact that you're debating it, I'm not gonna

say it was a bad pick. It's a disappointing pick as it is right now. I think that's fair to say. It's fair to um regardless what we got. Way off the beaten path right there. But so, what kind of voice do you think these guys could have? They could they can influencing how you're looking. It's a different it's a different it's a different voice again from the outside that they haven't heard before. If these guys come in with intelligent conversation, they will get a lot of rope.

They will. You won't just say okay, thanks Paul, thanks Toogxander, we don't want to listen to you anymore. You know. But see, that's what I'm saying that that to me is where new you need to listen to new hires, especially guy like Chris Richard, who's you know, was that one of the best defenses in the league for the last ten years? Yeah? Good point. You know, Oh my gosh, I mean he hey, you and heye, they're gonna listen to him? Yeah, I mean like he shut your rear

down in the you know, weeks sixteen. Good point. You know why you're not gonna listen to him. If I'm Scott Land and I walk over, Hey, what did you Hey, I just took Beasley away. I took this away. I took this away and played does one on one? Couldn't do anything? Could you? You know? Not so much? Yeah, exactly. All right, man, that's all the time we have. Today goes fast. It does go fast. UH once again tomorrow we'll have day two of the UH the Senior Bowl

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