Draft Show: LIVE @ 2018 NFL Combine - Day 3

brought us Dame Brugler, David Hellman. Boys actually saw some guys on field work today, try running backs, offensive line. Uh what do we say yesterday I was gonna be a Seaquon Barkley show. We did say that. It certainly was two hundred and thirty three pounds what he was able to do. Uh. I hope Cowboy fans are okay with having another special back in the division because the Giants at number two, it's gonna be tough for them to pass up. Wan wanna bet Uh No, it's too

early for that. But you think of Dave Gettelman, he drafted a running back top ten last year, and Christian McCaffrey when he was the GM in Carolina, he wishes Barkley was there when he picked at Carolina. Oh sure, well not no, no, he probably doesn't because he's no longer in Carolina. No no no, no, no, I'm saying the same type of that kind of back. Yeah sure, now that he's in New York. Look, they want to hold

on to elim Manning. They've got obviously at the wide receivers with Beckham and Shephard, and they have a tight end, big time tight end and Evan Ingram missing pieces of running back. You know, we could talk about the offensive line and how ads and shambles, right, but you added a running back to that mix. It's gonna help Eli Manning's gonna help the rest of the offense. It's gonna be tough for the Giants that pass on Barkley at number two. Dave, you came away pressed with him as well.

How could you not? I mean, my god? He yeah, two thirty three and he ran out on a four four one yeah, and the forty one inch vert. So he's putting up dB numbers at thirty pounds, forty pounds heavier than the average dB. It's it's rare that you get a player whose tape is so good that all of a sudden you come and do the workout and then the workout is just as good as the tape. Dane's been telling you for two weeks that that's this is what was going to happen. No, I know, and

I trust Dane. I listened to Dane, and I I I know snow my experience though how many times have we and I want to get into this today and this is but I wanted to give you guys an opportunity to talk about Barkeley a little bit. But since we'll we'll change that about how the tape looks. How much do you trust your tape now when some guys

don't have the types of workouts today? Yeah, and that's what I'm saying though, when you know, as a scout, you're sitting there watching these players work out, and Barkley's workout and tape is all tremendous. I'm sure the the the interviews with him are wonderful and everything you know you find out about the kid. But what happened that when the workout doesn't match the tape, where is your commitment level on these guys, are you gonna let it influence you? Or, as we always like to say, hey,

this is one part of the puzzle. Well, and how are you going to trust the tape more than what you saw in that field today? And there's several players that fall into that category today every year. But you do need to let it influence you to a certain degree. You know, you can't just say, oh, I like this player and his numbers match up, so you know the numbers matter, and then his other player, well, the numbers didn't match up for the tape, so the numbers don't

matter for this player. It's the combine is a cross checking exercise. If the numbers do not match up with what you expected, you go back to the tape and you figure out why. If a wide receiver who you expected to run fast based on what you saw on film doesn't in the forty yard dash, which the wide receivers will run the morrow on Saturday, then you go back to the tape and say, okay, what did we miss here? And now a case of this is Colton Miller. I was gonna go, can I can I just do

cult Miller numbers left? Yeah, Colton Miller if you if you haven't guessed by now, and I'll clude myself and I am not a Culton Miller fan. The tape is fourth round. The tape is a fourth round tape. And there's some people though that have him, and I want to say Mike Mayock is one who has him in the top five of his offensive lineman. I don't see that personally watching his tape. I really really don't. Colton Miller UCLA is six eight six zero six zo eight five.

He is three hundred and nine pounds, thirty four arm, ten and three quarters hands. Okay today he today. His official time was a four nine five okay, twenty four times with the weights thirty one and a half on the vertical, ten one on the broad, ten one on the broad, and seven three to four in the three combs outstanding for the So now now, okay, okay, Now, if you get a guy, if you get a guy, and this reminds me, guy, Mike Mamula, Mike Mamula, I'm old.

I'm old. Everybody knows the combined story of my original exactly exactly when the Boston College seventh overall picked by the Philadelphia Eagles. Okay, I'm just telling you right now, though you see Colton Miller's numbers that way, and now are you going back and you're trying to fool yourself. Oh wait a minute, I do see a little burst. Oh I do see a little athletic ability. Oh I do see a little string Or are you just saying

you know what he is? What he is? And I'm going with that And I don't think he's a bad athlete on film. It's more consistency, It's more there are several occasions in pass pro where he just he looked like he didn't know what he was doing. I totally agree.

And even if it doesn't matter if you have the shuffle quickness, the lateral movement skills to protect the edge or protect inside moves, if you don't understand what's coming, if you don't have those instincts, if you know the recognition skills, if you don't know how to use your hands, if you don't have the core strength, it's not gonna matter. NFL rushers are gonna eat you up, through you, or around.

We need to, but it is it is worth going back to the tape to figure it out and trying to you know, we don't want to be stubborn and say no on tape. It was a fourth rounder. I don't care about the numbers. No, we reason visit the tape and see if we if it changes her mind at all. Does that do anything for you? Yeah, I mean it it's it's it's like the Ultimate Catch twenty two.

You know, you don't want to be the guy that falls for the workout warrior, but you look at that and yeah, I mean it's obviously it's super appealing when you when you see a guy that can do that type of stuff. But I mean call a cliche if you want to, I lean more toward tape always. Oh. Absolutely, So I'm I'm not saying I know for sure what to make of the guy, but I I do my absolute best not to fall in love with anything that happens here. And this is where scouts earn their money

because you watch, no question, when you watch the tape. Okay, what is he being coached to do? What is there something that we can do that our coaching staff can do that's gonna fix this? Uh, it's it makes it tough because all these guys are coached in different ways. Uh. At UCLA, they were asked to do different things than they were asked to do across town at USC. It's just and you have to figure that as a scout.

And with Colton Miller, it's gonna be something that every team is gonna try to investigate and figure it out. With some prospects, it's pretty easy. You understand what you're getting sae Quon Barkley. We mentioned you know what your game with Saquon Barkley. Will her Nandez had a great day and that matches the tape. I think you under you know what you're game with Will Hernandez. With Colton Miller a little bit more of a question mark. You have to figure that out. Let me ask you this

did Will her Nandez today? And we know what happened with when? Because he with the Singer Bowl and he played through it. The laboring problem, he's got it fixed. He didn't work out here? Did Will her Nandez help himself enough? Two inch closer to say? With with win and how you would consider Will Hernandez? Did you feel like that this was big gap between the two? Or did will Hernandez help him enough athletically to make you feel like they'll wait a minute, here's a big, powerful,

strong guy that runs well. Now, he's got everything, He's got all the little uh intangibles that you want. I mean again, I could, I could read you the numbers here too. You know he's six six or two three, he's three twenty seven down from three to forty at the comb at the Senior Bowl. Absolutely terrifying. Yeah, thirty two arms, ninety seven eights hands. Okay, here we go, here's your official time. He's running that thing at five

one five. It's a great time. Yeah, thirty seven times at the bench, twenty four inch vertical jump, eight eight with the broad, seven five nine with the three comb Yeah. But but did athletically did he do anything to kind of close the gap a little bit with because when unable to work out today. Not in my mind, I mean, I think those were all numbers that you expected. Um, did you expect the five one five from Will Hernandez running? Um? I would say more of a five two guy, So one,

I was thinking five two five, five two seven. So a five one five is a great number for him, there's no question. But again, how many times you watch an offensive lineman run forty yards? Yeah? Well it's one seven six on the ten, right, and that's a great time for I think that's tied for I think the best ten yard core bit I believe. Well, actually Miller, yeah Miller had Miller had one six seven, okay, and then who else we O'Neill was one seven. The former

tight end had a good day working out. But there's another one I was gonna bring back to the Senior Bowl, Okay, Isaiah Win and Will Hernandez were both there, right, Isaiah Win was the best guard there at the Senior Bowl. Yeah. When they were wearing pads, we're in a helmet, they were doing football for actual football exactly. So as much as I love Will Hernandez, he's a first rump pick. I tweeted this earlier. I think he confirmed he's a

top thirty player in this draft. But I'm not going to put him above Isaiah Winn or say that, you know, I think what he is what we expected. He confirmed that, And I feel if my team drafts Will Hernandez in the first round, my team just got a good player. Yeah. How are are you under the impression that there's a

sizeable gap there? I almost And I feel like though, and I'm and the commitment level I'm getting I'm trying to get here, is that everybody feels like that Win would be a good pick at nineteen and and then Hernandez and Thedez and Hernandez is a trade back option. Yeah, that's what I'm kind of getting that vibe from as

a group. I think the vibe I get see and that's I get the reason I asked you the question is I think of both guys as like different answers to the same question, Like they're all I mean, maybe one's better than the other, but it's not a big enough difference that I think of them differently exactly Nelson top tier, Sure, these two next year. I think of both of them as guys like you're probably reaching a little bit at nineteen, but first round guy wipe out options.

So in that sense, I'm thinking, what's your favorite stupid cliche ice cream? Ice cream? Ice cream? It's like, Okay, you think Hernandez is better than when I think wins better than Hernandez. But at the same you're getting basically the same thing with either one. Are you getting the same player day Maybe not the same player, but the same thing, you know what I mean? Like I said, I think they're both in that second tier of guards.

You know, both are deserving your first round consideration, and I think they're both wipeout options where there are other directions I'd like to go. But if I'm only left with the guards and if Yeah, the reason why I'm bringing all this up today is because we did see these guys work out. Yeah. I know, I'm not just saying no, I'm not just trying to hammer the Cowboys have to take a guard. I'm just telling you because of the guys that worked out today, why that we're

having this discussion right here. You know, that's that's a big part of it. H And you know, I think we're gonna see it throughout the week with quarterbacks and wide receivers tomorrow, yeah, defensive line and linebackers uh the next day, and then finishing with the secondary players. It's gonna be interesting to see. I mean, it's kind of unfair to I think that Isaiah win since he's not, he hasn't be able to order out. That's why I was asking, though, did you sometimes out of side? Out

of mind at least? And you're right about the Senior Bowl stuff. You are right about that, But I'm just saying for the athletic testing part of it, you know that you're you're right about the pads and the helm and all. I get that, But the athletic testing did it? Did her did her Nandez? Again? I just keep kind of my mind feeling like though that we felt like that Hernandez was more they twenty six, twenty seven, twenty

eight kind of guy as opposed to a nineteen guy. Bugler, I'll tell you he'd never wanted either one of them at nineteen. That's been a consistent and again we're talking about that now as you know the wipeout option and all that. Could you envision a scenario where will her Nandez is the nineteenth best player in this draft? No, I couldn't. Okay, Well, then there there we go. I what about Isaiah Win? I think you could? You could you could get me to say that yet, right, Okay,

so there is a little bit of a separation. But and will Hernandez had a great day. I'm trying to I'm trying to see, Yeah, I'm trying to say, did will Hernandez do enough in in on the field for scouts to elevate himself instead of being a thirty guy to being a considering a twenty twenty one, twenty two kind of those and the fans asking what it's the difference. I think it's consistency. With Isaiah Winn, he is consistent, You're getting the same player each rep. He's very balanced

at the point of contact. And then you have a Will Hernandez who is a lot of times he's very aggressive, but a lot of times he will get off balance. Right. He just doesn't have the same level of consistency. I think Will Hernandez is gonna be a long time pro in this league, a very good player, a top thirty player in this draft. I just prefer Win because of that consistency. Let me ask you this. I mean, you

said yourself, we've beaten guard into the ground. We have, dude, and I know we just talked about but we're talking about names. We just talked about Colton Miller, Right, Did any of these tackles drastically change your opinion about them for a good or for bad? I'm obviously we could talk about Orlando Brown. I'll tell you one thing. Terrell Crosby from Oregon, I was expecting to have a better day. Yeah, I was really expecting to him to have a better day.

I always I even wrote it in my pregame notes. I thought he was a you know, a light footed guy. I didn't see a light footed guy out there working out. I saw a guy and that it came to the change of directions and things like that. I didn't see that. I saw a much better player on tape than I did working out out there. Again, it's the tape's really

important to me. But you look at his time. The official time on him was five two, three seventeen times with the bench, thirty with the vertical eight nine with the broad seven eight nine in the three cone. Huh A high number. Huh. I didn't see that. I didn't see that on tape. Throw another one out there, Austin Corbett. Yeah,

it's yeah again, three cone. That's going to measure your change of direction skills, your ability to quickly redirect your momentum, and that's something Those are high numbers you want for an offensive lineman. You want below seven point five, closer to seven point two. Yeah, that's what we got from a few of these guys. But you know, and we have to touch on Orlando Brown real quick. Sure, a

player who I mentioned this yesterday. You were absolutely right, and he did not have to come here and be the best athlete, right, he just couldn't be the worst, and he was the worst. I mean he hit historical lows and some of these some of these drills, not only the forty yard dash, which it is what it is for offensive linemen, but you look at the vertical, you look at the broad jump, Brian, you got those numbers for any it's nineteen and a half in the

I was gonna let you finish up there. Yeah. The official time on him was five eight five in forty and forty fifth worst ever. Fourteen on the bench, nineteen five on the vertical, nineteen and a half inches on the vertical, six ten on the broad jump, seven eight

seven on the three cone. Well, at least his street cone was in line with Corbett, who we just kind of talked about thought had a decent damn mean, he was five one five in the forty And I think Orlando Brown's a guy that even if you go back to the tape, like I don't think it's we knew he's not a great athlete. He's a heavy footed athlete. Yes, you just have to kind of trust the tape. You

have to see that. That's what I'm saying. But that's where it gets scary, because you're talking about the Big twelve where they play a little different brand of foot sure, um, and you know he has the wide hips and the huge wingspan where he can compensate for that lack of lateral quickness. But against NFL rushers, it's a big difference than what he face in the Big twelve. Will he be able to compensate in the same ways that it's

gonna be tough to stay on him? Okay? Does he go from say a two three on boards to be in a five six? I don't mean does that? Does his workout drop him that much? You can't if you if you like a player that much to put him in a two three, you can't drop him that much just based on a work he had that conversation off the air, both y all said you had second round grades on him heading into this. Yeah, I And as bad as it was, I can't imagine dropping a guy

that far. Maybe I'm not. I'm not gonna touch him. I'm not gonna touch him, and I'll be stubborn about that because again, that tape means something to me. But I understand, I understand the historic low number. You're not gonna touch him on your board. Not you wouldn't draft him, No, no, yeah, no, on my board. On my board, I'm gonna you know, I've got some other guys on my board that are ahead of him, sure, you know, and I think we

all do. And I look at my board. Williams actually have O'Neill ahead of him from Pitt had a great day, yeah, and then and then Brown, So he's tom he's more like a two three. That's why I brought it up. You've got Brian O'Neil ahead of him. I'm jump I'm gonna jump the gun because we had a question about him because he had such a good day. Because that first round for you, no, no second Williams, O'Neill, and

Brown were all second round grades for me. Yeah, And I think at the Senior Bowl we saw why with O'Neill, as athletic as he is, he's got some power issue. He's got some real power issues. And so that's the the functional power something that will need to be addressed as he goes to the next level again, Nate, sold are the guys you know that David David Bakti. They're guys that I've historically ding because of lack of strength,

and all of a sudden, what happens. They play ten years in this league and it's not And I'm not trying to compare. I'm not trying to pair O'Neil, but it's happened to me before and we both agree as the second round player. Yeah, and so it's not like we dislike him. We like him. Um, we just don't want to overcompensate with what he did today because we know he's a good athlete. We expected that. Again, he was a tight end when he arrived at Pitt They

moved in the offensive line. He's made that transition, but he does need to strengthen his core, his upper body and figure out ways how he can compensate for his lack of strength with some of that athleticism. Twenty two times with the weights. That's one more than you know, the guys I just mentioned, right, You guys are disappointing me a lot right now on what I'm just I'm just desperately looking for people to go ahead of the Cowboys at nineteen and I wanted to tackle to vault

into that conversation with a great day. Hey all are telling me it didn't happen Colton Miller. Well from yeah, people could fall in love with Colton Miller at all. If Colton Miller went in the top eighteen picks, make it, yes, okay, be shocked at all? What did you say your grade was? We both game a fourth round grade base on the tape. We watched him together, four round guy on the tape just for us. Now, there might there might have been

someone else's chocolate chip strawberry. That's a hell of a flavor of ice cream. To say fourth round to first and I get there. We're not moving them different. I'm not moving But if someone had a second round grade coming into today on him and he did what he did on the field, I could see him. All these offensive linement this year are gonna get overdrafted. This second rounders are going the first, including m They all need Every team needs offensive line depth. So these guys are

gonna get overdrafted. Colton Miller will absolutely be overdrafted eighteen. You promise, You can't promise, but I'd say there's a chance. Push me some prospects down the board. Yeah, I'm with you on that. All right, Well, it looks like ken we need to take a break though, right are we doing good? We can keep running here take a little break, or well, we'll take a break right now here and we come back. We'll hear a little We'll get your questions.

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and warranty limitations apply. So if you love for details is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Showboys. We're back here at the twenty eighteen NFL Combine. Brian brought us here with you along with Dame Burglar David Hellman. I was just checking out the periscope numbers and stuff we have. Once again, thank you folks. I know it's a Friday afternoon evening around the country and we appreciate you guys hanging out with us here at the combine and talking a little draft. I was going to try and do

a way of kind of answer answering a question. Maybe I'll periscope, Dave, I'll if you get to Twitter on the twenty yeah, I will. I will figure out a way to kind of get one and not to mess up too bad. But if you want to go ahead and that maybe get a couple of questions here on periscope if you want to fire those in as well. We'll try to do that as we go along. Yeah, okay, well, I mean this is we just talked a whole segment about this, but Ralph wants a little more detail on

of all this stuff. We just talked about what combined drill is the most meaningful for an offensive lineman and who did the best at that drill in your opinion? I you know, you could say a few I pay attention to the ten yards split. Yeah, you know, no offensive lineman is gonna run. I mean sometimes you see offensive lineman pool and you know, but we're not gonna see them forty yards down the field. So five yard dashes are where they are. But how's that ten yard split?

That helps? Positions where they come out of a stance, Positions where that initial get off really matters. So for defensive lineman offensive lineman, the ten yards split is important to me. Also, the three comb we mentioned that as sure it did because again the change of direction, ability to redirect their momentum on a dime, the three cone. If you're stiff, you're not getting out of the three

cone alive. Yeah, just shooting down some some some times of various give me, give me a split the you like a ten yards split, you have a split in mind, you like on a Miller? Okay, Well, Colt Miller was was extraordinary. His was a one six seven. Yeah, so that was the best one. Now if you go from a six seven just kind of popping down here and

apologize here for kind of being this way. Uh. Corbett Corbett had a Austin Corbett had a one seven six, also one seven six Will Hernandez not the pil Orlando Brown, but yeah, yeah over two yeah, he was, yeah, he was at he was at two. He was at two.

Uh young. Let's see who else had I mentioned Colton Miller one six seven, uh note Boom from Joe Joe note Boom from TCU had a one seven two number and at four nine had a four nine six forty though two for him as well, And then I mentioned h Brian O'Neill from pitt was a one seven oh on that so a couple ten years splits there, Yeah, a couple of ten yards splits to kind of get you going there. So debt okay on that. Yeah, Eric

got another one. Um, we talked about Orlando Brown a good bit right there, when we talked about Colton Miller. Any other surprises running back or offensive lineman where you really feel like you want to revisit their tape based on what you saw today. I don't think revisit. But I was pleasantly surprised with Nick Chubb what he did. I don't think the forty was average, but thirty eight and a half on the vert he got up there,

he looked. I thought he helped himself. He did a nice job, and in several areas he did better than Sony Michelle, who a lot of people believe is a better athlete his teammateage. Absolutely let me let me read Nick Chubb numbers. As Dane was talking. An official time of a four to five two is two hundred twenty

seven pound, two hundred and twenty seven pounds. That's gonna be five to ten seven two twenty seven thirty two on the arm, nine and five eights hands forty time official four to five two twenty nine on the bench. Nice job, say Quon Barkley him and exactly thirty eight and a half on the vertical ten eight on that broad Jamody exclusion. Here's your three cone for you, seven

point zero nine. That's a good number for him. Yeah, absolutely, and his shuttle of four two five for a lot of skill positions, you'd like to see under seven, right for a bigger guy like that for Nick Chubb at seven oh nine, I'll take that. Yeah, absolutely that Those are Those were some of the some of the numbers that we had on him. Uh and uh, yeah, I

agree with you on on him. I was Hines the You told me he was a track Yeah, Hines from Niam Hines Nahem Hines from Yeah, from North Carolina State. I didn't know that he was a track athlete. Yeah, he was a big time hit hit. Him and his twin sister are actually big time track athletes. One of the reasons he wanted to go to NC State because they wanted him for track and football. He was the runner up in the state championships and the hundred meters

and the three hundred meter hurdles in North Carolina. Comes out of high school, so this is a guy who understands how to come out of his stands and run a good time. So not surprising to see him get under four four. Oh, that's right. Four three eight was the official time on him, thirty five and a half on the vertical, nine to eleven on the broad. And now it's kind of funny because you get to the three cone, he's seven to one eight, so the number

kind of goes up. There's a track and in four four three five in the twenty so all of a sudden, the drills that Danton is looking for for the shiftiness park I remember when watching him on tape. He wasn't a plant start stop, change direction. He was hand the ball. He was a drift gat drift. You know. He was a guy that he's gonna when he goes around the corner, it's not going to be you know that stop on a dime, changed directions and go. It was more of

a drift. Dalvin Cook was the same way last year right where her. He'll get there. It just is more of a drifter than a start stop, change direction, go. So that doesn't surprise me at all. Day a great time in the forty, but maybe the three cone and short shuttle don't necessarily match up. Yeah, absolutely right. There didn't get real quick, Dave. If I could say, we've talked a lot about John Kelly before from Tennessee. He did not run a forty. He did do the bench.

He got fifteen thirty five on the vertical ten foot broad, seven one three in the three cone, and four five one in the short shuttle. I might might have not known how to do the drill correctly there with that kind of time, but maybe it's maybe a little bit about some questions about the lateral agility. Well, I thought I thought he did well catching the ball though, Yeah, you did, I did, Yeah, absolutely, I thought he did a nice job there. One guy who I thought maybe

disappointed a little bit, Mark Walton. Yeah, I expected better numbers from him. Yea, Ammy, you have his numbers there. I do the official Yeah, the official time is a four six zero. Yeah. People are gonna have to go to Coral Gables and get him a little faster, and I think they will. Eighteen on the bench, thirty one one and a half on the vertical, nine ten on the broad, and didn't have anything else in the three cone. You watch his tape, he's got juice in those last

That's what one of the lines I said. He's got some juice his lower body. I mean he can make those quick cuts that it's almost what he does best on the film. So that was surprising to see those little numbers. Uh yeah, well see what the pro day is, right if they're alarmingly different. Yeah, maybe he tweaked something here or something's going on. But there's another there's another guy. The tape was better than the workout number. Yeah, go ahead, Dave,

I'm sorry, No, you're good. Opposite well, opposite of that. Melvin was surprised by Rashad Penny's four four six and he wants to know because he looked that fast on tape and I kind of agree with him, like I wasn't expecting him to run And what was say tape we were watching the one time he hit it on a run San Diego Stake was played some army backed up maybe ar Yeah, he had a big but he had he had a couple of a couple of games

where he exploded. Yeah, I mean like it was like he took the ball and then the next thing, it's ninety some yards going down the field. He led the FBS this year in Russia's fifteen yards or more. Yeah, thirty five of them. So I to me, I think the tape did show not a burner, but a guy that can sustain a speed deep and we saw it in the Senior Bowl and the game he had that

catch for a touchdown right over the top. Yeah, I wasn't gonna catch it right, So right for getting under a four or five zoo for Penny is a great time and not a big surprise for me. I think you saw on a kickoff returns as well. He has the speed that not only the initial speed, but he can sustain it down the field. Kind Of some funny numbers for him if you think about it as well. Uh, he was able to vertical chup was thirty two and a half, but his broad chup was ten feet. Kind

Of doesn't correlate very well there though. Maybe the explosiveness for the vert for the broad but not so much for the vertical stuff. Got a fun question from Brett who wants to know which prospect has impressed you the most with his swagger in these interviews. It's a good question. I know you a few options you can go with here. You I think you enjoyed uh Lamar Jackson to day, I did guy that he I'm a fan of his, So yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna be that guy confidence.

You know, he he the way he plays on the field, the way he conducts himself off the field, it's the same. You know, bright lights don't scare him. Um. I think Calvin Ridley belongs in that discussion. You know, a guy that is. He even said it today when he's at the podium. He's like, I want to be the humble guy. But yeah, whoever drafts me, I'm starting. You know he did. He went out there and he put it out that he looked like he, uh is a very confident person.

He a little bit of that swagger. I think a lot of these wide receivers. It's natural. Baker Mayfield naturally, Baker, Yeah, he had naturally. But Josh Allen came out and said, I'm the best quarterback in this place. Yeah, Baker Mayfield said. I was like, all right, Baker, Baker said, if anybody can fix the Browns, it's me. Yeah. I love that. Yeah.

I think John Dorsey'll love it too. Yeah. And you know what, Dane, you talked about that pre combine Once again, Patton on the back for this because you said though that Baker Mayfield is gonna win the interviews. Oh yeah, he's gonna win the look me in the eye and have confidence, and you're gonna believe everything he's saying. There's some guys you will try and rattle. Yeah, I don't

think you can rattle Baker Mayfield in an interview. And that's why if I'm setting up these quarterback workouts, I want Baker to come in first, and then I want everyone else to follow him, just to see if he can you know, because I know what I feel good about what Baker is gonna do in the interview. And then after him, I want Rosen, I want Darnold, I want Alan, I want Lamar Jackson, just to see if they can match the energy that he brings to the room.

Rank them in the way they're gonna interview. If you, if you had to guess, if you had to put you both put on your general manager's hats. You're sitting down across from the five best, best best to the worst. Interview again, and this is not trying to slam the kids. Interview interview, the interview. You're gonna sit down and there and you're they have to convince you to draft him. Rank them one to five Baker one, Jackson two, Darnold three,

Alan four, Rosen five. I think it's it's tough because it depends on what you're looking for out of an interview. Because I think Rosen is gonna come off very smart. Smart. Yeah, like when you put him on the X and the XO like board, he's gonna tell you exactly what I mean he's when you ask him a question, he's very calculated with his answer, Like he you can tell you know the wheels turn in, and he's gonna give you a very thoughtful answer. So depending on what you're looking

for it, you know, the answer could change. But I don't necessarily disagree with the way Dave laid it out for you. I think that's probably pretty close the way i'd have it. You think that I kind of think that that maybe that I don't know. I think Rosen might be better than I like what you're saying. Well,

here's the funny. But I agree about the smart part, right, I kind of because I'm not a really smart guy, I would gravitate towards the guy that's kind of just hey man, hey, just you know, grabb hi by the neck, Come with me, Come with me, we're gonna win. Give me that then I would imagine, you know how, probably not all thirty two teams are going to interview those guys, right, It's probably more like twenty. Now we did we interview Michael Vick without a first round picker one time. Oh

I've heard that. Sorry, that's a good story. Yeah, twenty different gms are gonna have twenty different opinions because Rosen's really gonna resonate with somebody and Somebody's gonna think Rosen's a total s ob Oh yeah, and same thing with Baker and anybody else. So I just want to remind everybody out there, if he were following along a periscope with us, fire us a question. Dave's got the Twitter on the twenty going here, But I want to give you guys on periscope for being with us a little

a little love as well. I want to recognize, you know, you guys out there for doing that. So one thing I did want to touch on Ronald Jones USC. I know a lot of people are looking at the forty yard dashtime seeing a four to six six, Right, you might as well just cancel that out. Yeah, Ronald Jones did not run a forty yard day. He was hurt, he's got a hammy. Um, he's gonna do everything at the pro to USC Pro Day at the end of March.

Hopefully he's one hundred percent by then. But just for all intents and purposes, Ronald Jones did not work out today and so he shouldn't be treated as such. I'm not worried about his forty Um, but hopefully he is one hundred percent of the Pro Day where he can do a full workout, I guess. I mean, you know, compete. Brian always says that, and I admire his willingness to cut it out, but that's not something you should gut out. He came into today with a little bit of a

tender hammy, and let your hamstring. Like you're running back, you have to run, Yeah, and your hamstring is pretty crucial to that. Let that thing. He'll up bud right, Um, all right, I got two that I really like. For well, as long as you're talking about quarterbacks, let's not lose ourselves in the weeds here. But I just Daryl cracked me up because he goes, why don't you guys like Josh Allen. That's that's basically the essence of it, you know, I like Josh Allen. I don't know. I wasn't under

the impression y'all really disliked him. I know I have said before, we don't like I don't think either of us like him as a number one pick. No, but there's a certain point in this draft, probably somewhere in the top fifty, where I would take a chance on him, a guy who I've said it before, he's scouting Catnet. The physical traits are off the charts, but he's just very undeveloped in certain areas that it takes to play

the position at a high level. And when you're drafting a player in high especially in the first round, you better understand what you're getting. And this is a player that you want to sit for at least a year, if not two years, before you bring him up to speed. We feel comfortable throwing him out there on the field, and it's gonna be interesting where he goes. I think somewhere in the top fifteen someone's gonna take a chance

on him. Arizona at fifteen, maybe earlier than that. I just don't see a player that I'd be willing to gamble with in the top ten. Jerome, and this is gonna be off o our periscope. Jerome wants to know what you guys think about the possibility of both Scarborough being a Dallas cowboy. He had a heck of a day to day. That's how I feel. I mean, I was hearing from some trusted guys that watched the workout, you know, I mean, we're in the They caught the

ball exceptionally well today. He did a lot of stuff exceptional today. Yeah, what like an eleven foot broad or something. Yeah, he was he had the best brought him on the running back. Yeah, here's a guy six one three two, twenty eight thirty three and a half, ten on the hand, the time of four to five, two forty on the vertical jump, ten nine on the broad, four three four on your twenty shuttle. And I'll throw this out there.

What's what's the biggest knock that you typically give an Alabama player they're banged up, And take a look at mister Brugler's chart here, two hundred and sixty seven career carries. He's never had more than one hundred and twenty five carries. So he's fresh as an alb as fresh as an Alabama running back could be. Expected to be the counterpoint to that is here we go, Why did you only have one hundred twenty five carries? And you know Harris? Did Harris have something to do with that? You think

he was always banged up? But Boscar was also banged up a lot in college. And that's my biggest worry about him. Actually, it's the durability. I don't know if he's been able to be healthy in My weakness is on him. I've got let's see, they're six lines. Three of the six are all injury related? Is that because of the way he runs? Yeah, he's high cut and so he is. I don't see. I don't when I look at bow Scarborough, I don't see a running back. I see an athlete. I see a guy that you

don't want to treat as a traditional running back. You want to give him the ball absolutely on some handoffs, but you want to use him, uh you know on stretch players. Do you want to give him a runway where he can unwind those legs and get going? Is he similar to what David? Do you think he'd be similar to Rod Smith? Yeah? Maybe too similar? Maybe you want a different back. That's what you can talk about Walton and Kelly. Keep in mind those other guys. I

made this point yesterday. Like Rod, I like Rod Smith alive. He's only under contract for one more year. It's not like I mean, I don't know that you can just assume he's a long term part of the Cowboys vision. My final line on Scarborough in my report, Scarborough is at his best on counters and off tackle runs where the cuts are set up for him. So he projects as a hybrid complimentary back in the NFL who should

also be flexed as a receiver. So I think he is more of an athlete on a team, and at some point mid rounds, fourth, fifth round, I think that's where his value is. A guy that shouldn't be just a traditional running back, but you view him as an athlete Corey wants so again, this is another question coming off our periscope stuff. Corey wants to know about about um Malik Jefferson as possibility as a third round player for the Cowboys. Is that more realistic for him? You know? Line,

team hunting. Line and speaking by the way, team hunting, David, We've in Dane to figure it out. Cowboys are hunting receivers. Yeah, they are I don't mean to go away from Jefferson here, but speaking of hunting a position, they're talking to everyone. They're talking to a lot of receivers, not all, not all formal fifteen minutes, sit down, right, but they're they're they're hunting some receivers more than dj Ley. They're hunting

some guys. So but go but talk about let's talk about Jefferson a little bit as a possible I did Austin radio this morning. Kind of talking about him is a little bit of a guesser, that kind of a thing like that, the way he plays. He he will not be working out until Sunday, but he did weigh in today six two and a quarter two undred thirty six pounds, thirty two inch arms, nine and five eighths hands.

Good numbers for him, right, um he I expect him to run really well, and personally, I would be surprised if he's still on the board at eighty one. I think the athleticism that he shows is gonna get him drafted somewhere in round two. I think he might not even be an option on fifty. He could come off the board of the early portion of a round two because he's a very good athlete. Yeah, but tell what though?

I mean, I was like, like I said, I was on radio with Austin guys this morning, and and when I brought up the word guesser, both of the guys looked at me like, mmmm, you know, but that's but to think about it. But if you're a guesser though, you know, in this league, ball cares get by you. Yeah, but you know, if you're guess you gotta be able to have the ability to get Roquan Smith kuld guess and get back in on the play. Yeah, many people

can do that. You know, Roquan Smith must be a really good guesser because he doesn't choose the wrong gap very often and he's in POSI just talking about athletic abilities. Ship, but you're right about Jefferson, Dave. You got any more questions over there? Yeah? I said, I got one more that I really like from Ken, because hey, you talk about um, maybe not swagger, but just a really good interview. This is kind of the forgotten guy. We never talk

about this guy. Yeah, Courtland Sutton. Ken wants to know about Courtland Sutton at fifty just and just in general, I would take him a fifty why aren't Why aren't we talking about this guy because of my phobia? And I apologize, I apologize. No, no, no, he's a better player than I'm I'm and I do not ever want to take anybody. I don't want to take anybody down that path. No, he's a better player. He is a

better player than I'm giving him credit for. He is a much better player than I'm giving him credit for. And I'm just the route running though. That's that's the thing. That's the thing is a big question with him is that when you watch one tape the offense that he ran at SMU and the offense will be asked to run the NFL. There's a mild gap a huge yeah,

And so he has a lot to learn. He has to, but I think he has He's one of the few receivers in this in this draft where you see number one traits, you see the possibility that he could grow into a future number one receiver in this draft. Uh, you just don't see it right now. Calvin Ridley I think could be a high end two DJ Moore. I love he's a second wide receiver. I love him. I think he could be a dynamic number two wide receiver Cortland Sutton can be a number one. I see a

guy that can be an Alshan Jeffrey. He just has a way to get there. But he did really well the podium today. I thought he was he was, like I said, I didn't. I wouldn't use the word swagger, but he was very gregarious, outgoing, gave good answers, just seemed like a really friendly dude. Yeah, did you did the numbers on him? Six O three three two eighteen thirty two and three eighths arms, ninety three quarters hands eighteen times with the weights. It's good for his length, Dan,

you love this game? What what would you guess he's gonna run? That's the big question. Is it a four to five eight four five two? That's what I want to know. Is he closer to the four five eight or closer to the four or five two? That's a four five two guy? That big right, He's a power

forward out there and nice. Remember this is a guy who's recruited SMU as a safety, so you know he's young and wide receiver years where he's still adapting, still getting better in teams scounced, they need to figure out him as a wide receiver. Where is he on that timeline? Is he closer to the infancy or is he closer to you know, where you know his ceiling as a wide receiver? How much better can he get? We know he's raw. That doesn't mean that a player's automatically automatically

gonna get better at that craft. Well, I mean Laquon tread was a perfect example of that. I bring him up. We'll see for Courtland Sutton big day tomorrow on the field, what he does could be the difference between going early in the second round or maybe sneaking into the first. I'll tell you one thing, I'd have lost money today if you if you said, Brian put money on what wide receiver would have twenty two reps on the bench. Top senior wide receiver in this draft, not Anthony Miller.

I wouldn't have been on Anthony Miller. No, And which a note on him. He were talking about the right foot injury. He said today that yeah, you's not gonna do any running and they're not gonna do anything here. But he was recently cleared, uh to be a full go. He's been just started sprinting. He's just not you know, he hasn't been preparing for the combine the last month like most of these guys. So he's gonna wait to the Memphis Pro Day. But great to hear he's been

fully cleared. The foot's good to go. He is the top senior wide receiver in this class. I've been adamant about that too, and I'm gonna stick to it. Hopefully he doesn't let me down. He didn't today with twenty two on the beat. As long as we're doing those, those are the two really like when you get into the conversation about the upper echelon of wide receivers, we probably haven't been paying enough attention to Courtland Sutton and Anthony Miller, So you know, yeah I have. I'm glad.

I'm glad Dave's come around a little bit on Dante Pettis though. Yeah. I like his hair. You see his hair today. Yeah, he's got some purpose. Oh yeah, jeez, I could use some of that the husky purple yeah, oh wow. So but no, Anthony Millencourt on setting there my number four, number five receivers in my ranking. So both are number their second round grades. We'll see if something anything changed. The more draft nugget who was Tray Quinn's only visit lined up visiting the only surprising thing

I've ever heard the Patriots. It's only his only official interview, Trey Quinn smuy catch the fact that we couldn't get that guy in the ball. I mean, my god, he's uh to me, he's a Jervis Landry clone. So I think he's a good player. How about Saint Brown? Did he help himself with a little bit with twenty reps too? Did you kind of expect that from how I was eager to see because you know his dad being former

mister Olympia Olympia, Yeah, bodybuilder. Uh you know, they started him off with the weights at a young age, but he doesn't really have that build of a of a bodybuilder or anything. So eager to see what he did, and he didn't disappoint. Yeah, he's actually he says six zero four six, but two hundred and ten pounds or two were team, which is it's about ten pounds more

than we expected because he's leaner. He thought maybe two or five, but two fifteen and I think that number will only go north And let's just run let's run this down real quick. In detail, Calvin Ridley meeting with the Cowboys. Yeah. DJ Moore meeting with the Cowboys. Christian Kirk had an informal chat with the Cowboys. DJ Chark had a chat with Sanjay lal Um, who am I forgetting?

Courtland Sutton and Trey Quinn are both local Dallas guys, so you would imagine that they'll actually Dallas day guys. They will very likely have their chance with the Cowboys staff at some point. All right, David, let me, I don't know about Pettish Equinemia. Saint Brown had a meeting with the Cowboys as well. Let me let me let me focus a little bit on your side now, David.

The Dallas cowboy hat that you wear, do you're reading into something maybe with what's going on with Dez Bryant now that they're having meetings with these guys, or are they not satisfied with the current receivers. Yeah, it's it's like I said on Twitter earlier today, you can't read too much into it because first you get sixty formal interviews, right, and you can talk to as many people informally as you want. So scouting departments are supposed to do their

due diligence. That's what you do. You talk to these guys, you get to know them. You kind of try to draw a tighter circle around who you want to invite on your thirty visits. So I can't sit here and say, like, well, this definitely means they're gonna do something with their receivers. But clearly it's something they're interested in. Clearly they're trying to do as much homework as you can. And I can't help but think back to two years ago. They

interviewed every single quarterback at the Combine. They talk to all of them, and so clearly that meant something. Right, they're hunting one. And I think you're absolutely nuts if you don't think that they're taking a hard look at these guys for a good reason. I mean, if they don't draft a wide receiver in this draft, I'll be very surprised. All Right, we're gonna take our final break and when we come back, we're gonna preview what we're

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here at the twenty eighteen NFL combine. We got a few minutes left, and uh, I just want to talk a little bit about what could we see tomorrow. But you had something in your mind, didn't you. I did. And you know we talked about the tight ends. They came through here today. One of your favorite players in this draft, Hayden Hurst. Hayton Hurst, my number two tight end behind the way Dallas Goddard who unfortunately Dallas Goddard won't be working out with a hamstring. Getting back to

Hayden Hurst, I have a question for you. Yeah, you know you're a long time scout. You've been doing this a long time. I have been. Hayden Hurst is interesting case because you know we we You said older guy, right, He's an older guy because minor league baseball. Correct. He gave up minor league baseball after a few years. Not because he just wanted to do something else, He had to. He was forced to, right, because he developed the yips. Okay,

this is a player who couldn't throw anymore. He has not thrown a baseball since because he can't do it. Steve Steve, Steve Sachs disease. I believe in their baseball we see it. You know, every few years there seems to be someone. Hayden Nurse is one of those. Now, how do you incorporate that into your evaluation of him

as a football player? He is a guy that met with a sports therapist over to a mental thing exactly now, he dealt He worked with sports therapist, he worked with you know, trying to figure it out, and they couldn't figure it out. What support am I drafting before football? Football? But I'm not saying, you know, I'm just making sure. I'm how does that work into your evaluation? Do you ignore it? Or do you know? I I think that I don't think it. I don't think it's a physical handicap. No, No,

it's more mental. It's mental. And I and I but what I do I think because I didn't know that until you just said that thirty seconds ago. But again, I go back to that tape, and that's the handicap that we have that we do the best we can to figure out these mental questions and oh this guy

you know this, that and the other. But I I don't let that bother me because I'm thinking and the tape is just you know, the way the athletic ability of the way he catches the football or the blocking that he does, you know, he makes plays down the field. I guess maybe you're thinking, is there something else that's going to trigger another thing where he starts dropping the ball?

Well and the mentally does he have a is that going to affect or negative plays going to affect the way he mentally sees things or does things right that if some doctor, some guy with dr Period or lady can tell me that with certainty that hey, you're gonna potentially have some other problems with him mentally that would affect me, that absolutely affect me, I'm gonna have to use a pretty high pick if if all things being equal, I'm gonna have to use a pretty high pick to

get this guy that And I don't want to go down that road and not be prepared that hypothetical. Just I mean, you know, you can watch the tape and come to a lot of different conclusions mes aerienced or

amateur as you want. But it's so important that these teams have access to these guys, you know, to get to know them, to meet them, to see what their makeup is, do medical checks, all that, Like, there's so much more that goes into it than pulling up you know, tape or highlights or whatever that you know, Yeah, you could drastically, you know, drastically change your opinion of a guy for reasons that have nothing to do with how well he plays. I have one drop in three years

of South Carolina. See that's so. But I'm sure he probably didn't have it. He was a pitcher when he got drafted by the Pirates, and I'm sure he didn't have any problems throwing the baseball. No, And that's and that's what I'm saying. I would worry. You told me there is a concern that he had to give up something he was very good at because all of a sudden mentally he couldn't handle it. But I again, I'm looking.

I just have a feeling, Daan, that I hear that that you know, as a as a potential red flag. I just have a feeling there's gonna be some other bombshells at this thing. Oh yeah, the medical they're always I'm just so worried about major players. Yeah, you know, major when these medicals hid and these doctors, they do a tremendous job doctors and trainers. There's some bombshell that's gonna drop in here. It's so depressing, it's so it is gonna be. It's it's because usually it's a player

that you cove it, that you like. And again, folks, I'm just kind of just saying from my experience, I know Dane's experience, and Dave's knew the old combine scene, but we something is gonna happen here. It's just I'm just I'm preparing myself. It's probably not gonna happen here. It's gonna come out in like two weeks, you know, Like it's gonna be a Dane's gonna come into our office on March seventeenth and that's a Saturday, but nineteenth

and be like, I think you know that Saint Patrick's day. Uh, and he's gonna be like, oh, did you hear about freaking you know whoever? He's got a he's got a bum, meta tarsl and his foot and we're just like, damn it, Yeah,

that's back condition. That's how that goes back condition, kneue condition, heart conditions, something, you know, some something crazy that that to a first round player that yeah, you all of a sudden that scare you though, I mean, you do all this work and and and that's what I guess that's might as we kind of wrap things up here, that that that scares me that because these doctors are now they're full blown on this medical stuff, you know, and and I'm just ready for that. Okay, do you

just rick my dream on that guy? It doesn't it doesn't scare me. Like you, that's your you take things personally, I do you like you take it as like I want those guys I was cheering from around to run faster or one night to day. Yeah, he was to startup run run run. We need to do we need to do a thing where like fans can bid on just it's not even like you don't get to go in the stadium. You just get to watch the drills

with Brian on TV because it's it's amazing. You're just like, come on, come on, get come pick those feet up. Which cheer for it's like if they're gonna work out a cheer for him. But you but you take you know, when you find out one of these guys is hurt, it's like somebody you know, slapped your kid or something like that. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, well, we've got a couple of minutes. Like I said, tomorrow,

we've we've kind of talked about these wide receivers. We did a little stand up Dane and and I Rob Phillips did a little a little preview. Can't Garrison put that together? Sure that's up on the site that you can kind of check that out. But uh, one or two guys, maybe maybe maybe a down the line guy, maybe somebody were not all thinking about that. Hey, I'd like to see this guy do something. I know, I said Lamar Jackson. I'd like to see him throw the football.

But is there somebody else you're kind of looking at names wise that maybe, Hey, I'd like to see this guy have a good day to I want to see Dj Moore run. I know he's not a down the line guy. He told me today he's gonna run under a four or five that that's his goal. And so if he's able to run in the four fours, he only cements his status as my number two receiver. Uh, you know, down the line guys. See Kiki Kuti, I got it from Texas. Texas have a whole bunch of

people in love it. Just cheered, Yeah, yet your guns up there. He's an undersized slot receiver who if he runs well here, all of a sudden more people will be talking about him. I want to see him do it because I think he has that ability. He's a good athlete, Dave. This is even more obvious than that. But it's just gonna be fun to see these quarterbacks throw yeah. Yeah, you know, I'm with you on that, and that's I'm I'm I know. I'll bet you any

amount of money you want. The Cowboys aren't going to draft a quarterback in the first two rounds of this draft, but these quarterbacks are going to determine so much about that first round and it could be the difference between whether you get a guy you're really excited about at nineteen or not. And plus they're just they're all they're all fascinating in their own way. Like, this is the most interesting quarterback class that we've covered in the six

years I've endured this. I mean, like Goff and Wentz and Lynch were pretty good, and that was fun because the Cowboys might have been in the market for one of them. Um, But but this is gonna be something special because this is at least four, if not five first round quarterbacks that I believe are all gonna throw, or at least most of them are. And Lamar Jackson's only throwing. He's not doing the forty years good for him anything. I mean, we don't need to see him

work out. It just would have been fun to see him blaze a four three or whatever it was gonna be. So with these wide receivers real quick. You know, we talked about the log jam and breaking them up, you know, will tomorrow help us with the pecking order and help us divide somebody's got, you know, the difference between a Dion Kane and a Semi Cobbs, or a difference between a Marcel Eateman and a Trap Smith. Hopefully the combine tomorrow and what they do on the fuel will help

us separate those real real quick. Okay, I know we're running out of time, but we sat there just at the top of the show and talked about you know, none of the line workouts really drastically changed our opinion. I feel like that's not going to be true tomorrow, because like with this log jam, I mean, what if what if what if Courtland Sutton runs out there and runs a four four nine, you know, like faster than anybody really thought. Or you know somebody runs days going

first round? There you go? Or what if you know, what if our guy DJ Moore runs up four five? I'm drive you guys crazy. I had the same feeling about these tight ends. Sure, I had the same feeling about Mark Andrews, you know, and I know that, uh, we're not gonna see our our South Dakota State guy don't run. But what about some of the what about the sicky? Yeah? What about what about those guys? I want to see how how are you going to break

these guys down? Hey, well, Ian Thomas, I mean some guys have expected to perform well, Ian Thomas, will Disley didn't do as well on the bench. Try to talk about how your guy Disley threw up fifteen on the fifty and that's not good for him. But I'll tell you what. You watch the tapey blocks. But let's let's see. Let's see the separation though. Let's see, let's see if there is some separation up. Who is going to step up from this tight end class? And maybe the Dallas

Cowboys don't take one. But I'm interested to see what really what Mark Andrews runs. I really, really am. I've kind of thought, you know, at two at six five, two fifty six, I kind of had him as a four seven nine guy. Maybe he is a little bit better than that. I'd like to see that, Yeah, I would. I think it's got I mean, everybody's so tightly packed together that good days and bad days are gonna mean

a lot. I feel like when nobody can really come to a consensus about what this all looks, just like in the real world and the interview process and the good days and bad days. As always, boys, that's the fastest hour we do always. I'll tell you what. We can keep going and going, but we will. We'll do it tomorrow. Will we got a draft coming up, We'll talk about eighteen hours straight. Let's do it and we'll have a lot of fun doing that. Okay, Well, that

does it. For the draft show tomorrow, same time, we'll be on four thirty Central time. Maybe we'll see how things all shake out. But if this will be our last draft show tomorrow, we'll be again, appreciate everybody on periscope. Appreciate everybody that kind of catches us. How were they doing on the various platforms. Again, I thank Dame Bugler, David Hellman, King Garrison for always doing the great things

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