Draft Show: LIVE @ 2018 NFL Combine - Day 1

the Combine twenty eighteen. As the Big Boys guy said, Brian brought us Buddy's Scout Buddies, Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Day one of the NFL Combine. As far as really kind of getting into coach talk general manager talk is Dan Bruger would say, the season of lying has begun. It has, but learn some things today. Listen to some guys talk Jason Garrett. Really more questions about the team, David,

other than really some draft Yeah. I was gonna say, you know, I always solicit questions for Twitter on the twenty and right, which understandably it's the Draft show. But we're getting a lot of questions about like who who impressed today and who had the best draw. Well, we haven't really gotten that far yet. I haven't got that far yet, but we've got some measurements we'll talk about. We will talk about that GM Coach Day more so

than prospect Day. So a little bit anticlimactic in terms of the draft because we're dealing with personnel and coaching and all that type of stuff, and the real good stuff with the prospects doesn't really start till tomorrow. But yeah, now that there's nothing to talk about, Yeah, but I want to, I want to kind of go if I could dange real quick. Yesterday Dave kind of in a

little summary if you could. Stephen Jones did address some draft questions about you know, one techniques and stuff like that. There's one particular that really upset our demographic sure in terms of people that want to listen to a draft podcast, which Stephen Jones was asked about the one technique, you know, the nose tackle position, and people kind of got in a tizzy about his answer, which he said, you know, he said, we probably wouldn't spend a first round pick

on a true nose. They just don't value that. You know, he's not on the field enough. He doesn't disrupt the passer enough to merit that. And so he said, if they were going to spend a first round pick on a defensive tackle, he would at least need to have some three technique traits. Yeah, I have some under undertackle traits. And kind of everybody's thought about is immediately, Dane Brugler, does Vita Vea have three technique under tackle traits? He does,

And that's why we're not ruling out. You can't rule out Vitavea at nineteen. I don't know if they I'm not saying they would take him if he's there. Let me tell you, yeah, let me let me tell you this though, And what's your saying? And I'm really happy you you said what you said. I reached out to several guys within the organization. I said, can I eliminate vitave after what Stephen Jones said? And they said, absolutely not.

Vita Vea does have three technique under tackle traits. So, uh, you know, to immediately say that he would not be in the mix, you know, and you're in You're right, if they would, would they take him? Would they not

take him? Right? You know? But he does have the traits, which I get, and you know, I apologize if I sounded condescending, but people were kind of freaking out yesterday, like Steven Jones dropped this bombshell, which I really I don't think that's true because uh, Dron Payne and Vita Vea both I think probably fit in that category of

their one techniques, but they have some three technique traits. Yeah, you don't have to necessarily take them off the field on third down or passing down, right, Yeah, I do.

I really think the Cowboys would draft a defensive tackle nineteenth. Overall, I don't like if you put a gun to my head, I would say no. But nothing Steven Jones said leads me to believe that you just have to rule those guys out because it's it's realistic that by the time pick nineteen gets there, the best player on the board that think's gonna look like a turkey on thanks picked apart, right,

I think it's gonna be skin and bones. So at nineteen, the best player available might be say it is Vita Vea, And you know, I even Isaiah Wynn is gone at that point, he might be the best player available. And I don't think you can rule him out even you know, regardless of what Steven said, Yeah, I just think that I thought that a lot of people went into in colboindation, went into panic mode. If okay, does this mean they're

eliminating one take? Steven Jones gave me the reason why he probably wouldn't take a one technique, But in reaching out to some folks and then the expert scout here to my left, you know he's seen he's seen three techniques. I've seen three technique traits in the player. Yeah, are all the one to techniques that way? No, not all,

not all of ore. But but I'll tell you what, there's several though that we've seen that have played that three technique or it played a one moved in you know, to outside shoulder and attack gaps and stuff like that. So you know what I'm thinking, Which you know, it's it's hard to get follow up questions in a setting like that. I mean, you know, if you if you

didn't see it. Stephen Jones was talking to about twenty reporters, all of whom have their own list of questions they're trying to get answered, right, But it would have been nice to ask Stephen all right, well, what's your threshold for just taking a one technique? That's all he does? You know, Like, at what round are you more amenable to doing that? I don't know the answer to it, but it's clearly not the first I would guess it's probably not the second either. Yeah, I just think the

list is too good though. Yeah, we keep talking about those, but you know, we talk about the guys and you know, I keep looking it at my list of guys, you know, with Sanat and Phil and you know those guys Settle, you know, our guy from our guy from uh Connecticut. Uh see, I'll get that name right one of these days. But yeah, I think that uh you know, I feel like though that to me, it's a it's a situation where uh, you know again what Stephen Jones said, you know, yeah,

you take it and you process it. But the fact that a guy that we clearly you have thought about, you know, that has been mocked to the Dallas Cowboys does have those traits. So that's a that's a positive thing right now, uh, David, anything else though, did you get the sense though they have not talked about the Byron Jones moving to corner officially? I know people with Stephen Jones was asked about that, and you know, that kind of brings us into maybe, okay, if he does go,

are you looking at safety now? I mean, I'll tell you they've definitely talked about it. You can tell by the detail and the answer that they've talked about it. I don't to hear it from Stephen Jones. It doesn't sound like he's one hundred percent committed to doing that, right, But it's I think it's kind of like a writing on the wall thing, Like my my gut tells me that that's something that they're leaning toward doing. But it doesn't sound like they've made that decision by any stretch,

but it is. You know, it's something that comes up because all of a sudden you find yourself talking about safety, and Stephen says, well, if we do decide to do that and move him down, then safety sure his heck looks like a need for this team, which you know we've talked about already. Right, You've got you've basically got three safeties on this team, uh, two of which don't have a ton of experience. I don't think they I'm glad you brought that up. I forgot to mention that stee.

I mean, it is it's rare to just hear, you know, somebody like a Stephen Jones come out and say like, yeah, we like Cheetah Moore as a corner than we do as a safety. Right, We're not sure we really want to move him, which, like to me, I'm celebrating that.

I don't think he needs to go anywhere, and this isn't the best safety class prospects, so I don't maybe they look it's kind of it's kind of like, in my opinion, you look at James from Florida State, Golden from Tennessee, and now let's hope where somebody there's you know, maybe a couple other guys there that you kind of like,

but not as much as those two. If you're telling me there's my two different rounds too, Yeah, you're not talking went to my first round guy and potentially a second round guy and maybe a guy that in Golden it might not even get the fifty rights. I mean, if you're gonna sit there and move Byron Jones and think, okay, we'll just draft to safety, you know, then they and the heck they you know, they might like Harrison from Alabama they might like Bates, you know, from Wake Forest.

You know, they might like Watts from Texas A and M, which I know that obviously. I know this is the draft show. But that's and to bring it all the way back now, you'd like to trade, wouldn't you? Well, all right, I wasn't even gonna go there, O spare me your earl Thomas talk, because I don't even know what to do with it right now. I don't know. I know they're gonna leave it. I'm gonna leave it hanging out there as like this imaginary dangling at dangling fruit. Yeah.

But well, and and Steven, you know, just to round it out, Steven also brought up left guard. He said, we did, We've got we've got four really good offensive linemen. We need a fifth. We don't know where we're getting him from. And that's the same thing. And we've talked about it before. The Cowboys, you know, they they like to cover their bases in free agency before you get to the draft, which is why I think, you know, that's why you got to look at left guard as

a free agency option. And if Byron Jones does move to corner, you probably got to look at safety as a free eye agency option. I mean, right in this crazy dream world, maybe you trade for Earl Thomas or I mean they went and got Robert Blanton last year. It could be something that simple. But I think those are two positions where I think in free agency they got to take a look and just make sure that they've got a body before they worry about the draft.

You would you would go ahead? And would you? Uh? Would you in a trade back situation? Then if you knew you needed a safety and you and and say James is off the board, you feel comfortable going in drafting Golden in the first round at the bottom of the first round at twenty seven, I don't. I mean I had to be wiped out. I think, uh, because my first draft board I had Golden like at forty six overall in right, right, so that's a that's like

mid second round. It's not even early second round, right, Um, Ronnie Harrison is he still available from Alabama? Yeah? Because I think that'd be an option. And see, do you like? You like Harrison then better than Golden? They're different, they're different. Yeah, well, yeah, Harrison's more of a downhill guy. Golden's I feel better in cover the description I gave to you and I were talking about Who's what is golden? Golden is Malcolm Jenkins to me? Yeah, And I think that's a very

very good companion. Sure, he's just a He's just a Pro Bowl veteran leader, super Bowl champion. In terms of describe describe the player, though, what what? What's the player? What could the player do? Player plays in the slot, player player tackles well, player could play in coverage? Long? Yeah, I'm just saying, if you want, everybody out there wants a comparison to a guy, I know, here's a what was Jenkins win in college? He was a corner. They

made a safety. He actually he started as a slot corner. Yeah, what does this guy do? He plays slot corner. I mean, you know you're talking about that kind of role. Yeah, I think Malcolm Jenkins that makes sense. But what does this team need? Is that? Is that what this team needs? Well? If you move Byron Jones, who's gonna started saying, I mean you talk about Woods, right, you know, Frazier and that. You know, I just don't think they're moving a Woozier. I just don't do it either, or do I think

they should? Yes, I mean you talk about the reasons why they would move Byron down. You know, he's big and long and physical for a corner. Cheeto fits that mold too. Oh sure, they're very Cheeto got hurt. Cheeto got hurt playing safety in the Green Bay game. He was lined up as a safety when he got hurt. So, yeah, And one more point from Stephen Jones talking to me. He came out and not that this is rocket science, but he was like, it's easier to find a safety

than a corner. Yeah. If you think a guy can play corner for you, especially on the outside, why somewhere else. Yeah, But they've been searching for a corner, I mean a safety forever. That's easier to find corner. But terms of how about players impact players, that's where maybe you're gonna get your trade, Dave. Like I said, I don't even know what to do with that. I don't even know

how to begin it out there. Again, it's not something that you want to know absolutely, but maybe that's their plan. I mean it's again, you're gonna have to pay the guy. Yeah, it's gonna come down to that. You at least go down that road and see what's possible. You know you you explore every avenue, and that's why I don't think like there's a lot of chatter I've heard from teams

that want the draft and then free agency. But the way things are set up, the draft is the last part of the off season really in terms of player acquisition, So free agency comes first. Some of these trades will come first, the franchise tack all the tags, everything comes before the draft. So I think it like what Dave said earlier about filling your needs through free agency. Good chance we see him do that, or a trade or whatever, and they go in the draft without that clear number

one need. If they move on from Dez Bryant, this receiver become a priority oversay some of the other positions. As you talk about it's already it should already be a priority in my mind. And if they I don't think they should get rid of Deaz. But if they did, no, I'm just saying that they did. I mean, again, this is just discussion. This is what you mean. Now. Now, now give me some priority day because I don't think we feel as good coming here now that as we

once did about the Dez Bryant situation. I was pretty committed to I don't think anything's going to happen with his money and all that. And to be honest with you now, I'm I'm kind of nervous about maybe what

will happen with this deal. I came out last week when Stephen Jones talked back in Dallas before we even got here, and it, you know, just what he said kind of made me start to doubt myself, because, yeah, you and I have both been saying for a couple of months that we don't think anything I feel like they're gonna doing with the money. If you're trying to read the tea leaves, I'm not as confident I still.

I mean, I can't say definitively what's going to happen, But I'm starting to think more and more that they really they might not view it the same way as me, and they feel comfortable making a move on that. I mean, it's definitely something you have to consider, which I wonder though, because I have a couple of thoughts if you're gonna do if you're gonna do something with Dez, which I'm

thinking get more sooner than later. And Stephen said that too, he said they're going to have that conversation more sooner than later, which okay, let's say they do that. Let's say let's say they cut Dez Bryant within the next month. Well, then that gives you a month to sign a free agent to help bolster your receiver corps and then you can address it in the draft. So if they if they cut Dez, then yes, wide receiver immediately becomes a priority. But if they do it in a timely fashion, then

they have time to address it before the draft. Bryce Butler interesting to come back then in that role wouldn't roll. But being like does Briant as a wide receiver role, he's not an ex NFL in my opinion, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know how I feel about promoting a guy from fifteen catches on the season to my number one. I mean you as Bryce Butler and yeah, yeah, sure, But obviously I'm just asking though, is that is that? Is that the way you go mean is that you're

you said you'd sign a veteran guy? Do you sign a guy? You know? I wouldn't view that as doing enough. I mean, unless I'm just throwing it out there, unless your hell been that have you seen the receiver free agent group by the way, I mean the Robinsons and guys like that at Robinson. Likely he probably gets tagged or something works out with Jackson. I'd be surprised if he's not a Jaguar. So I think we rule Alan Robinson off. Uh. But yeah, I mean there's there's a

few names. Jordan Matthews from Buffalo. There's there's a few names out there, but none that really excite me about. Okay, if that happens, we're gonna go get this guy. Terrell Prior and Marquis guys, if you guys would like to sign a veteran band aid then and then draft right, I don't. I was just trying to say, is that is Is Butler a veteran band aid? Then not? That's one of the the guy. You know, if they tried to sell me, I'm not trying to convince this stuff.

I'm just if they tried to sell that to me, I'm not buying it. You can't convince me that they should get rid of does So. I know I'm with you on that. And for the record, I'm starting to doubt myself, but I still think my idea is the best way for it. I'm I'm keeping des for at least another year if it's up to me. Oh, I was, I was dancing right with you on that one, Dave. I didn't think they would do anything different but that. But the kid, the draft does have some depth in it.

You know, we're gonna see some of these guys, you know, you know here this week. Uh, you know, it's a pretty talented group. Traditionally, wide receiver is the toughest position, maybe besides quarterback, to transition from the college ranks to the NFL. And so even if I mean, you draft the most polished receiver in this draft, Calvin Ridley for example, it's still gonna be there's gonna be a learning curve, There's no question. And so to cut does and to

think you're gonna just replace that production, right, it's unrealistic. Yeah, I the draft at least, Yeah, I just don't. Again, I was to the point I didn't see Dez Bryant going anywhere. But you know, I mean there's some tough talk going on right now, which and you know, Devil's advocate. You know, I'm thinking of the amount of money they have right now, which doesn't seem like a lot. But

if you cut Dez. The savings that you get from that, the savings that you could get from some restructures that Smith, Travis Frederick, those kinds of guys, you could free up the money necessary to make a good enough signing to get you through. You know, and like I'm better than a Bryce Butler is what I'm saying. You can't sign a much better receiver than that if you took those steps.

Whether or not they're gonna do it, I don't know, but if Dez isn't in your plans for twenty eighteen, you gotta do something before the draft even gets here. I mean, even if you get Calvin Ridley. I don't like Calvin Ridley and Terrence Williams is not a better duo than Dez being on your team in my opinion.

I agree. I'm sorry ahead, I say, real quick before we go next one back to say, if you real quick, would you entertain the possibility of trading up for Derwin James because I think we all agree he's not gonna be there at nineteen. Yes? Yes, So would you give up a second round pick to go up to, say ten, to get Derwin James? Oh crap? So I picked ten and then I don't pick again till eighty one. Well, actually I get Derwin. If we could get could you

could you? Could you the straight two? The straight two would be Miami at eleven. Let's just say you can get it done at ten and say that's okay. Ten, Yeah, ten gets it done. Pay Back Buffalo, pay back forty nine ers or Oakland for doing that to you. So my secon my secondary in twenty eighteen is Cheeto Lewis, oh bunch of young cat. Stop smiling, stop smiling, Cheeto Lewis, Scandricker, Brown, Heath and Derwin. But you're you're giving up two pretty good players for we give it. What do you think

is a great player? Yeah, you're giving up potentially you go to you go to that that ten pick at two and five. I hate, I hate the thought of giving up pick fifty. But I really like Derwin James. I don't know. I'd have to think long and hard about it. I think I might do it. I think I might do it. I like him a lot and answers a lot of defense. Do you do you? Okay,

let's look at the teams in ahead of you. If you're thinking about Derwin James you know, you talked about my recent mock draft that I came out with this week. I had Derwin going seven seven to Tampa Tampa. Yeah, so there's no guarantee he'll be there at ten, especially after he shuts down this place with what he does here. Yeah, at Indy. See that's and you know you're looking at some teams potentially some mind fields, you know, yeah, Washington

at thirteen. In places like that, you don't bank on it. But it's more of huh, he's still there at ten. Oh, okay, let's let's see if we can get I'm glad to see though that you guys have come around to the go up idea. I don't know, but see, no, no, no, no, I don't know if we were not we were not. No, he's dipping his toe in the water. But no, no, all Hey, all I knew is that every time I talked about going up you two, would you wanted to go up for a guard? Yeah? Yeah, I said, I

don't care best player. I'm trying to go up for a guy that, by the way, every position in the second, by the way, that guy that that that I like so much, I want to trade at fort measured at six five three twenty five ten in five eights, hands, thirty three and three quarters arms prototypical numbers. Yeah, Quintin Nelson? Can I remember that name? Can I put you on blast? Can I put you on blast real quick? Brian, You're gonna get mad at me. I'll never get mad at you.

This morning, Brian, This morning, Brian. Um throughout the hypothesis that Quentin Nelson's going to be better than Zach Martin, which I mean just whether he's right or not, the fact that he even thinks that's possible says a lot about what he thinks about the guy. Soul Man's got a lot of crazy thoughts. I mean, he's the best player in the drift there, four time all pro yep, soon to be the highest paid let me tell you what. Let me tell you what man, and I love me

some Zach Martin. This kid, this kid special though he's Quintin Nelson special. Those are special measurements. By the way, I'm not trading up for am I right there? Dane. So if say the Browns called and said we'll get we're gonna go to break Art, hey, would you give real quick though? Would you if the Browns called nasty. Would you give Zach Martin for the fourth overall pick? Oh? I mean, would you give up for the first overall pick? There would have to be someone that I'd really want

if that, if that defensive like last year? Yeah, okay for Miles Garrett, Like yeah, what are you drafting in this draft? At the Cowboys need that's worth that? Because if you're just gonna take a Quentin Nelson, then not if you take those quarterbacks, that's we just opened a whole another Like, no, this draft shows going off the rails and we talking about drafting a quarterback. I'm just asking if if you get in the top if you get in the top four, oh sure, but is that

really what you want to do? No that I don't want a quarterback. I don't need a run I don't need sae Quon Barkley. I don't need Quentin Nelson because I have Zach Martin. I don't need le Chub's not worth that trade. I'm sorry. I don't think he is the only way you guys talk big No, no, you say you say stupid stuff. That's well, wait, maybe, but I could get you to trade up for a guard who potentially could be an all pro or maybe better

than the guard than that guy. No, no, okay, Dan and I are bargain hunt for our guard and keep our picks, and our offensive line will be almost just as talented be eight and eight. That's okay. A guard's not being a difference beween eating eight and ten and six. Yeah, it's not. I try to get trade for a quarterback. By the way, all right, we're gonna take our first more. We don't believe we're good dad, We're gonna take our first break. We'll be right back from the twenty eighteen

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NFL Combined here at Indianapolis, Indiana. We're in the convention Center where actually, if you watch DSPN today, we were right behind their set over their shoulder, and so when they were due and all their stuff, we were on. And then yeah, they've moved us from a couple of different spots. We were over on the other side of the wait the bench press area. Now we're in the bench press area, so we'll be able to see some

things going on there. You'll probably hear some crowd noise cheering all that stuff here when we get going on that David talk a little bit about our good friends there at Tommy John for just a second. If you could let me tell you, Brian, they make really quality underwear. I'm wearing it right now. There you go. It's been a long day. I've had to walk all over downtown Indianapolis talking at Cowboys officials. You've been doing a lot of walking and I feel comfy. Af There you go,

so by Tommy John. Tommy John dot com for it, slash Cowboys. You know the drill. There we go, Tommy John. All good. Okay, this is one of my favorite parts. I know Dane Burgler and Joyces too because we get to interact with the fans. It's called Twitter on the twenty. So David take it away if you would please something. Stephen Jones talked about that we didn't mention Brian, which he hasn't. The Cowboys have not decided which tender they're going to place on David Irving, but they are going

to do it. You're guessing. I'm glad. I'm glad you said that Brian's giving us the two for the second round. Yeah, don't worry about the Cowboys. Would you give up David Irving for a second round book. I'll tell you what though. You know it's interesting because cash I sound like I never want to ride the fence. That's what you're doing, right. No, no, no, I'm thinking you're saying, no way, no way, no way. He's not no no way, no way, um the player.

What he brings to me on the field? No, But you have to understand, I mean what fans have to understand is we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. We don't know, you know, work ethic wise, buying into the culture. What can he bring to our team behind the scenes that that's a big part of it, and so we don't know that. But on the field, no, I would rather have David Irving than a second round pick. This takes me back to last summer. Wait, well, let me ask you a question then, can I can I

interest you? What if pick is an early pick? What if it's uh yeah, but what if it's one of those picks. What if it's the Giant What if it's the Giants pick? You know, what if it's the Giants pick, say at thirty four, why doesn't it doesn't matter? I mean, it's it's appealing, but you're you don't get so you would pick you would pick it, you would pick a nineteen thirty four and fifty. Why are you trying to get rid of it? I'm just as dominant pass fresher.

He played eight games last year and he got seven sacks in those eight games. Sure, did you okay on the consistency? Could we get something for him? Here? Is your intent? Is your intent to sign him long terms? The factor in the equation this I'm asking a question. Do you do you get if you would you take the thirty fourth pick for for four years or or lose this guy potentially to free agency? What's your intent

of signing him? If you wanted to, if you really wanted to resign him, you would tend to him one absolutely. And the fact the fact that they're probably not going to tells you that I mean it gives you a pretty clear I'm not and I'm not again, guys, Hey, trust me out there, I am not. This is Brian brought us talking to say, Brian brought us to saddle up to Will McClay and I'm trying to figure out the strategy. I'm just I'm just playing the other side of it because I'm here in two knows, But is

the long term plan to sign David Irvin? I hear what you're saying, and I don't. I don't know what their plan is with that, and it would probably cost them a lot, But you gotta keep you gotta keep him mind franchise tag uh, you gotta keep it. We don't know what he's gonna do this year, and I'm just way more willing to roll the dice and hope that this guy plays as well as he has because, like, I mean, that's what this team has been looking for forever,

isn't it? Dominant past? Absolutely the one they develop one, they do all this work to get him, and then they just don't want him anymore. I disagree with that. I'd have to feel pretty confident that, look, we know we're not going to resign him regardless of what happens next year. You're trying to give you a player that you could maybe have for four years. If that and if if that's my mindset is, I know I'm not going to resign him to a long term deal no

matter what happens, then yeah, I mean, I entertain it. Again. We don't love David or I do. I'm with you. Guys. I'm just trying to play the other side of this though. I'm trying to get you to say the Colts, we talk, how about the Colts. That's another team. You get a defensive thirty five? What pick number was DeMarcus Lawrence? I think he was thirty four? Thirty four? Was thirty four? How many years did it take him to blossom into a badass? Sure, yeah, you got a badass on your

team right now? Why? I like, but if you only have him for one year, worry about that when he's done posting twelve sacks next year? Well, and that's the question you have to ask yourself is how likely is it that you're going to resign him based on what we know right now? I get that, But what's what's the situation? I mean, again, you're gonna have You're gonna have Lawrence under on a one year deal too right now to pay him. Can can we just worry about

that after we have sixty sacks next year? That's and I get it, I get it. It's not I get your thinking long term, and that's smart, but I'm sometimes you gotta think short term. I think sometimes you get like, who what's going to give us the best chance to win. What's feasible after the season's over. What's the amount of like, what's what are the odds that this guy is going to this thirty hypothetical thirty fourth pick is going to be better than the defensive tackle who's capable of just

wrecking a backfield. There's no question. And I don't you going to pay? Yeah, you're playing the odds. You don't know that though, what I mean, what if he plays sixteen games next year and post a double digit sacks and you're okay, sign him over. We just signed him

over lords, I don't know. I mean, and to your to the point the Cowboys, which we don't know if that's going to happen, but they've made a ton of noise thinking that or saying that they want to sign him long term, like they're not they're not being no DeMarcus Lawrence. True. So if you can get a deal done with DeMarcus Lawrence in twenty eighteen, then you don't

even have to make this decision. It's gonna cost you over probably seventeen a year, sixteen seventeen a year for oh yeah, for sure, but it'll be a lower hit because of the way. It's structure, sure, and then what's the franchise tag on a defensive tackle. It's lower than end Yeah, probably not too much, probably fifteen sixteen. I'm just saying you can handle this. You could. I hate the thought of just letting this guy walk out the door. I don't know, Well, what if he walks out the

door and you get nothing? That's kind of the yeah, you're not That's what I'm trying to be. Yeah, I'm not trying to let him walk out the door. I don't think there's a right answer to this, but it's just it's frustrating, and we love David Irving. The problem is, though, is he consistent enough? And can you pay him? If you're gonna pay Lawrence, can you pay him? You know? And you know that's that's gonna be the trick because if you don't pay him, he's gonna go to the

highest bidder. It's frustrating the thing and you're not going to get anything for it. How much effort this team has put into finding pass rushers and then they've got a really good one in there, just like we might not want to get. Could I get you one in that that pick thirty five from Indianapolis. Yeah, and then four years he might be a really good player. I'm just I'm just saying I just wouldn't really mean for that to turn in to what it did. No, it's

it's a good discussion, yeah, said a Twitter question. Yeah, who was it from? Mark? Thanks? Mark, a good job. Yeah, good one. Uh, all right, Connor's got an either or for you, Um, Marcus Davenport in the first or Comoco Toire in the second. Okay, we're worried about Toure's injuries. Right shoulder, right shoulder. Yeah, Um, I'm worried about Terre just in generalize as a player. I mean, you love the the speed, you love the athleticism off the edge

I've got I've got Davenport ahead of him. Sure, but it's the I think everybody does. That's the point. It's the value. What you want one at nineteen or the other at fifty. I would take Davenport in the first. I mean I think I would too. You know, it's it's hard to do these without knowing. You know, if you take Terrey in the second, who would be your first? You know who's available. But I think just I would

take the better player, the better pass rusher. And that's what if what if Hubbard was available in the first Yeah, Hubbart, Herbert or or Davenport. I have Davenport over Hubbard. Yeah Hubbard Ohio State? Oh oh oh yeah, Okay, that's who is probably more ready to play immediately. But I think Davenport's the better play long term. He's got a higher ceiling than Hubbard has um Who do you have higher in your board? Oh no, I'm Davenport over Hubbard, I am,

and might have him over to Ray. And again Dane even talked about this though. That shoulder is a concern for Tray. I think you're gonna I think you know you're gonna have to seriously dig in on him. Good looking, his sophomore and junior years nothing, I mean they were wasted years. And then he played okay as a senior, but still uh not enough that I would take the better player, the better pass rusher, and that's Davenport. Yeah. Spencer, good.

Good question from the first segment on the show. Spencer wants to know other than Derwin James, assuming by Aaron Jones does move to corner, other than Derwin James, which safety is in this draft. Would you think could start over the Cowboys current personnel. So that would be I mean you over Xavier Woods over Fraser. Really, that's a good question. I would say those two because I mean, I just I think Jeff Heath has a starting job

lockdown as far as I'm concerned. But so who who other than Derwin would you think could beat out Woods and Frasier Ronnie Harrison? That's what I was thinking, Alabama safety, Uh do you trust him enough in coverage or at least compared to what the Cowboys having the roster? Now? See, then that's the that's the thing I've bad it is I would Galden is my guy because I think the guy you stole my guy, I did steal your guy. Yeah,

you're You're absolutely right about that. But we're on the same scouting staff here are You just happened to go to the area before me. You get Knoxville before I did.

Scouts a very territory, are very territorial. I will say this though, if you want to say who's the better cover guy, who is the better cover guy maybe in physicality being equal that I say that's but if you want to play with the cover guy guy, that that could play slot now again, he does similar things that he does, similar things that Xavier Woods does up to about Golden, but not opinion better tackler, a much more

physical player. Yeah, I think so too. So to me, I think that if they're if the Cowboys are committed to playing with young guys like they showed last year, yeah, I have no problem playing with Harrison Golden, any one of those guys. Throw them on the field. Let's go. Let's say got the top three, Yeah, Derwin, Ronnie, Harrison Golden. After those top three, any safeties stand out to you as players? Alan, I think, I think, I think if you had to play allan Penn State down in the box,

I think he could do. But I got Byron Jones doing that. That's my Byron Jones. Guy. I need somebody to play in the back end and cover and zone. The way they play wake Forest play is very similar that Number two play that a single high. When you watch bits play for what a wake Forest, he does play very deep and he comes forward. That's his game. That's his game he keeps, that's his deal. So maybe he could be a starter if you said, okay, we're gonna interchange. You know, if if Heath goes down, or

or Byron Jones goes down. Whoever, you could play Bates deep and he I think he would be a better Xavier Woods in my opinion. I'd agree with that. And I'd also throw out Jordan Whitehead as a play. Yeah, yet that's your guy, That's right. I haven't been to pit yet. Luke wants to know. We watched, We watched. No, I know, but I need I need to do. Yeah. Yeah, Luke wants to know. All right, don't answer for yourselves.

He wants you to put on your Cowboys hats. What round do you see the Cowboys being willing to start looking at running back? I've I've said I would draft one in the third round. I don't really think they would do I don't think so. I think anywhere on the day on Day three, anywhere on day anywhere in fourth round own, yeah, I think anywhere anywhere in Day three.

You get to see who's available for you in the fourth round, and if your best player is a running back, I think they'd do that if I would be And Walton, Kelly is at who we're kind of talking about Walton or Kelly Walton about Penny. I think Walton will be gone.

I think he's a Day two player. Kelly. Yeah, see, possibly he could be right about Walton though, if it's if it's just beyond obvious that the best guy on the boards is running back, Sure, but like I would be, I'd be moderately surprised if they draft a running back in the fourth Tell you what, watching Penny play, he's he's got some skill. Oh yeah, but he's got but the pass block. Uh well, I mean, let's just say,

like a freegency, they address left guard. Uh and in the first round they go you're saying, the first three rounds they get their nose tackle, they get let's say a linebacker, a linebacker, and a safety just going on defense. Balls to the wall. So right, first pick on Day three, you have your left guard. I mean, you could go offensive line depth. They could use some of that Corbett what they have too late for Corbett? Right they have

they have two fourths. Now that keeps saying Corbett, you know, like he's a Day three guy and he's really not. No, he's not. Yeah, goada give me. I mean Kelly at one sixteen, John Kelly, that's fine with Darrell Williams. You're the one that sent fourth was early for him. I would do it. I have a fourth on him. I would take him in the fourth. Bring it on, you take him over Kelly. No, we got Kelly and then

Williams back to back in the fourth. Just I'll do I'll cart wheel around the studio if Daryl Williams is a pick for this team. Sean Pabe told me a great story yesterday about Camara. Yeah, he was talking about he challenged the scouts because the scouts fell in love

with McCaffrey, just totally fell in love with McCaffrey. And Sean tells the story about he goes, I said, Okay, he goes, the guy I really like is Camara, And he challenged the scouts to tell him something bad about Camara and of those guys could do And he goes, when we're gonna take kicked out of Alabama? Yeah, I mean that's you know which, But no, I'm just saying it tell me something bad about him as a player.

But yeah, on the field, yeah yeah. And if the Scout if they had done that, let's say, if they take McCaffrey, Now you don't have Marshawn Lattimore, defensive rookie of the year, and by drafting McCaffrey, you don't need a running back, so you don't draft the offensive rookie of the year either. Yeah, that's exactly right. There is why the draft is so badass, Like just one conversation, is the difference between a team drafting the defensive and

offensive rookie of the year in the same weekend. They would have had a trade up to get McCaffrey by a pick, right, or say McCaffrey went seven. Yeah, I thought I thought nine or ten. I thought McCaffrey went ten and Lattimore went eleven a Lattimore one eleven, I believe whatever, Yes it was seven and eleven. Yeah, because Myhomes went ten. The draft is awesome. That's really what if because they were ready to take Mahomes at ten? Hey, can I throw Can I throw some real quick numbers

at you for this? Real quick numbers? Will Hernandez, you tap measurements, big old dude, six O two three three twenty seven's thirteen pounds later. That's then and the Senior Bowl right arm linked hands of ninety seven eights, arm link of thirty two. That's I'm gonna give you Isaiah win real quick six oh two six three thirteen eight and a half hands, thirty three and three eight's arms. Yeah, smaller hands than you want. But I gotta be a

bad coal weather quarterback with those hands. I know, I get why hands are important for a lot of positions. Why are they important for a guard? You're going to

blot this isn't nineteen seventy three with you know. Yeah, but if an electric football man, if you if you've got if you've got insane power, I mean powers power, he's a good player, just real quick, two of another one throughout a guy Connor Williams by the way, Texas Texas six o five one two ninety six, ten and a half hands, thirty three arms, just to give you ninety he's gonna be a guard for some teams. Yeah, it give you an idea, can give me Walton the

two running backs, we were talking out real quick. Just I know it took over myself. No, no, I'm just I'm just wanting. I just like to talk about measurements, because that's that's what scouts did. They're boring to me, they are, well maybe not to you. To me, they're not. John Kelly is five o nine seven two sixteen nine and three eight's hands thirty one in three eight's arms. I don't know how many people watch this instead of

just listened to it. But if you're not watching, Brian is delivering these measurements with like just this, this gusta, like this is the most fascinating thing he's ever said. Like he's leaning in on Dane. Every time he gives a number, he gets it. That's why, that's why I'm leaning in the day when we get this combine sheet and get to see them all in front of you.

Just started Mark Walton five O nine five, So okay, we have five oh nine seven with Kelly five O nine five with Walton two O two so we got fourteen number. We got a fourteen pound difference between the two. He was one ninety during the season. For him to get up to two o two, he's a big deal for Mark Walton nine and a quarter hands, thirty arms. Okay, I just want to get a few measuables in there. We got time for one more question. You surely do, David,

I think we do. Can't we ken't Garrison, Executive producer, By the way, A question I really like from our buddy jonah Um not talking about the interviews and the you know, the intangibles, but in strictly in terms of what they're gonna be doing on the field. Who's a prospect that you think that has the most to lose while they're up here, most to lose? You know what? If anyway, Yeah, let me tell you this though, can

Um Courtland sunn Yeah? Yeah, if he runs a four or five eight something like that, I'm not gonna help with the worries about his speed and ability to separate. And if he doesn't do well in the short short area agility drills, that's not gonna help him. A lot's riding on Courtland Sun and how he works out. Let's tell you this. I'll go the opposite approach here. I'm gonna say, if any one of these quarterbacks the top ones throw, scouts will not ding him for that. Scouts

love the competitive aspect of this. They want the guys to show up, and hey, some guys have reasons for the doing their own workouts and stuff like that. But I'll tell you what, though, I feel like though Cam Newton in two eleven or yeah, first growing performance at Yeah, it was not it was not as good as you as you thought, what if I'm trying to think about the about those first round like the first round offensive

lineman maybe or maybe you mentioned wide receivers. Is that the one area where you think that if they work out, that they're gonna the speed. But people go back to those workouts, People go back, they'll they'll make a trip back to Dallas to run that kid again. You know. I mean, if you like the kid, you'll go do that. But I like what you're saying, though. If Sudden doesn't

do well, you got to make sure you go. Kirk is another one in Texas, A and M. You know, if he doesn't run, I mean there's a lot of people that think pretty highly of him. Yeah, and if things don't work out well for him, is it going to be Well, he's just what he is. He's a slot player only and that kind of stuff, right, Yeah, not enters into the conversation. Any of these cornerbacks do that for you. Video's cornerbacks make it make it that

if they have a bad workout. You know, Jackson from Iowa, Uh, Alexander, you know, I mean Das from Davis from a bigger guy who's not gonna win with blazing speed. That's not his game. I was gonna talk about a linebacker. I thought, Josie Jewel, Josie Jwel, I knew you're going that route. That's a player that needs to He's not gonna be the best athlete here, He's not. He still look just can't be the worst it is. It's gonna look it's gonna bad. No he is. But you watch the tape

and the guy makes plays well. And here here's another one. He's a four eight guy. Maybe you have Orlando Brown's measurements in front of you. I do tell us the Orlando Brown's measurement, Orlando Browns measurements. Oklahoma tackle six Z seven seven three forty five. That's a big boy, yeah, ninety three quarters hand with a wingspan. Uh it's thirty five arms. Okay, when the span was like, how about how about talk about a guy measured him pretty well?

About Crosby from Oregon six h four five, three h nine ten and three quarter hands, thirty five and a quarter arms. That's your swing tackle day from Oregon. I mean you gotta take him pretty early, though, don't you know? It's here like you're right, Yeah, you're right. I was trying to be. I'm not trying to draft my swing tackle until like pick one, thirty five or whatever it is. Have you hope he's there at fifty four? You Yeah, But what I was going for with the Lardo Brown, Yes,

he's a guy that he's gonna look bad working out well. Again, he will not be the best athlete moves. He just can't be the worst athlete here. Yeah, he has to at least look capable in these in the mirror drills in you know, just the short agility, don't labor, don't labor, don't be the laboring guy. He's got heavy feet, there's no fee. He just has to not look like he's just a fish out of water, uh during these drills. And so he can compensate with that wide base the

wing span. But he cannot be one of the worst athletes one the offensive lineman here. Bob the Billy prices thirty two in charms the center from Ohio State. Not ideal, but I think it's expected based on tape and belly blockerty that that guy gets real close and kind of belly to belly block guy, that he'll lunch, she'll fall forward, he'll be over aggressed. If he doesn't have the length, and it's one of the reasons why James Daniels is

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This is our home away from Like, what is this the fourth year we've done this from the Combine leap? So this is my twenty sixth combine. Let's talking with Stephen Thomas, our good buddy here with us, and I was telling him about half my life has been spent here walking around the streets of Indianapolis. Great city. Yeah, it is a great city. We're glad to be here. As we mentioned, though, offensive lineman and running backs will

be the talk of the day. The running backs will be the first group tomorrow at two o'clock at the podium here, so you'll probably seen a lot of tweets, guys, Dane does a really good job. If you're not already following DP Brugler, follow him because he does a great job. This is what I really appreciate. And I retweet a

lot of your stuff. What kids say. You know, some little draft nugget that a kid is working out or he's you know, some little things, some little thing you might not know about a kid you come up with. I love that. I love when you do that. We got a few valuable things from the podium today with some of the general managers. John Elway at the podium saying how he's like me, you can't evaluate quarterbacks. Yeah, even though his resume looks a little better. We had

Super Bowl rings he had. He won a few Super Bowls, He's got multiple But anyway, he got a Hall of Fame jacket. His team requested that Baker Mayfield would be on their team, coached by their coaches at the Senior Bolts. At the podium, he said he didn't really get a chance to talk to Baker may Yeah, which is a interesting thought there. I don't know why, but he did say that he anticipated Baker Mayfield being one of their

thirty visits, which I thought that was interesting. When we then verse still in the mix for Kirk Cousins, you know what's going on there, So that was interesting to put that out there. He also said Josh Rosen would be one of the top thirty visits. So it's like the way to take a pack twelve quarterback? Right, yeah, elway given a little bit away there, and then Dave Gettlman at the podium New York, New York Giants knew

GM right. He mentioned how the the running back position, how it's a complete myth that you can't take a running back high. He said, if he's the best player in this draft, you take him. And he kind of put the number two pick a little uh, created some I think some high expectations, saying it should be a future Hall of famer, uh, things like along those lines. So whoever the Giants drafted better at number at number two, better be ready to reach some high expectation. He's not

gonna take him there. Sorry, it's not happening. I can't wait till the draft night and they hand that card in. I'm a riot at you when that happened. Wouldn't be a bad pick. I just I don't think getleman. I'm just I think I think Berkeley Chubb or one of the quarterbacks. And Okay, as from a Cowboys perspective, do you I know you don't want to see Barkeley in this division? Not really. I mean let's just say, forget us.

I could take Gallman to tackle him. There's no such thing. Well, there's not such thing as a top five pick that you want to see in your division. I mean, it's true. I don't want to see Bradley Chubb twice a year either. If you have to lessen the blow, Wentz. Yeah, no, it's my point. Yeah, exact sounds like it's gonna be a nightmare. But if you have to lessen the blow a little bit, would you want who would you rather see end up at the number two pick? Barkley Chubb

or Josh Rosen? Oh? Oh man? Uh, probably Chubb because I'm just I'm just used to the Giants having good defensive ends anyway, So what else is now? Yeah? I plus the Cowboys have invested in their own lines I've gone on record with you guys. I've gone on record saying I think Rosen's Matt Ryan. I think it's a it's a very good conversed to keep him out of the East. Yeah, I mean I think, you know, I

don't think the tape's terrible on on Rosen. But again, I mean, I'm so fascinated hear what the buzz is going to be. We talked about that Monday when we said, remember, we're gonna start hearing Gil Brand's gonna go her. Josh Rosen interviewed poorly. Questions were hard on him, They didn't like tough coaching, you know, all that. So I think that's gonna leak out, you know, because we're all question I mean, did I compare him to I compared to Ryan.

But I'm kind of worried about him being Joey Harrington, which is my albatross. I almost said that the guy that might not like football, you know, I almost said, I almost said I'd prefer they draft Rosen. I'm not saying he's gonna be a bust, but quarterbacks have a way higher chance of being a bust, and that would be great hits. Okay, let's ask this, then what's the bust factor on Chubb real? Yeah, a top ten defensive end and less. I mean, unless it's a crazy game.

Unless I'm just saying, unless it's a couple of times, McGlinchey might be the best tackle this draft. I guess my point like, if we think if he's a if he's a hit, he's a double digit sack guy for the next four years. If he's a bust, even if he's a bust, he's probably still producing for your defensive line, you hope. So unless it's just a crazy circumstance like you know, like a Randy Gregory or something like that, Yeah,

he's getting suspended in stuff. You would think even a bust of a top ten defensive end is going to be getting a handful of sacks a year. So do you think Barkley could have the same effect that with with with Zekad with the Giants. I don't know about the same effect, but he could come pretty darn close. I like offensive rookie of the Year absolutely, I mean, no two front offices think the same way, But like go I mean, go back to this show two years ago.

We're like, you don't need to draft Carson wentz. Romo's there, he's not that old. They got this offensive line they drafted, they drafted Zeke for Romo well and well, Eli mannings younger now than Romo was at that time, I believe, so thirty seven and roll them out there with a badass running back and help fix up that offensive line. I mean, yeah, Barkley could be good for them. The

Giants at two are really they're fascinating. I mean, I think we all think quarterback one to the brown Oh yeah, what I what I wanted to say when you brought that up is that it's so interesting to me because it could all change in the next month with the quarterbacks that are available in free agency and the teams that need him. I mean, the Broncos seemed like a candidate for a quarterback right now. They might not be

in a month. Same goes for the Jets. The feeling the Browns are going to try to sign a free agent quarterback, but they will, they could. I think they will because they don't want whoever they take at number one starting from day one. But yeah, and the quarterback dominoes, I mean, first Kirk Cousins and then you know, we go from there. Case Keenum and the rest of the aj mccarreen, the rest of the guys, your whole, your whole top ten could change based on what these teams

do in free agent. If you're a Cowboy fan, you don't want you don't want Cousins to go before you did any one of those teams though. You want him to go to Minnesota. Who's picking after you? So everybody still stays in line for potential quarterbacks. Yeah, if you want to drive somebody to you and you're gonna have to do a lot of a lot of hope and to get somebody t at nineteen. Yeah, but it's happened.

I mean we've Lamar Jackson's the wild card. See, well we I had this conversation because they have me on Arnold, they had me on Cowboys Break this morning, and do you want I think there's two ways to look at it. You could hope for a quarterback to fall so somebody wants to trade. Or you could also just hope they all go, because that's five picks that aren't going toward a guy you want take five and ten. Give me a couple of runners to go too. If all five

of these quarterbacks go before the Cowboys pick. I'm starting to think maybe Roquan Smith or Derwin James has a chance to be there, or at the very least they'll be an arrange that I feel comfortable trading. Yeah. Yeah, So my hope that my hope is, come on, Lamar Jackson, have an awesome combine. Yeah, my hope there is some people. My hope is that that not everybody likes Roquan Smith.

That the measurables, that's a measurable that's my hope. If the measurables, if he's not for everybody, let's he's not gonna fit in the box. That a lot of teams. Just that's the fun thing too. If you go back to our first show, Oh yeah, we were taught like we're like, Roquan's not a possibility and Derwin James is. And by the time we get home from the combine, it's gonna be Derwin James is off the board and

Roquan's a possibility exactly. All right, Well, hey, listen, that's all the time we have tonight for the draft show. Make sure you stay tuned to Dallas Cowboys dot com for all the great content coming from the combine. Our stuff of our possible pick, star evaluation, a lot of good things going on, even though it's the off season. We're also going to post tomorrow what time the Draft show will be on. Just kind of stay tuned to that.

We'll tweet it out love Twitter on the twenty all year comments, everything like that we could do for you, so for my Scott and buddies, Dane Burglar, for David Hellman, for Kent Garrison executive producer. I'm Brian Bros. Thanks again for joining us. We'll see tomorrow night from Indianapolis. Stay tuned for that.