Draft Show: Let's Get Crazy

young young age. So I think everything when you take you know, different things like I didn't put in the ball, You mix it up. That's what that's That's where all the hunger comes from. It's very special. You know, this is something I've always wanted to do ever since i was a kid. Um. I watched my dad play in the league for fourteen years, and I knew at a young age this is what I wanted to do in my life. And it's just a real feeling just to be here right now. So I'm just excited and I'm

doing the process. So far, it's all business here in Indianapolis. Is the twenty twenty NFL Scouting Combine is rolling on, and so is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show live from Radio row inside the Indiana Convention Center, Kyle Yeoman's Dave Hellman back again with the athletics Dane Brugler, and we came in with a couple of soundbites from the final media session. This is our final show of

the week. It's a little bit bitter sweet, and it's more bitter, I feel like than sweet because it's been a great week of information. It's been a long week, a lot of hard work, a lot of grind, but man, it just kind of speaks to the fact that the NFL combine coming to a close as we speak, really over the next couple of days, and then it's that

next step going forward to the draft. And we talked about all week how the schedule was different, and never never felt that way as much as it did last night being in the stadium last night watching these drills, and it's just like, gosh, that should be. This is different. It's ten o'clock at night, I'm here watching a forty yard dash when usually every year at ten o'clock you're you're out, you're mingling, you're doing different things, and so

a little different this year. And tonight will be day two of the workouts. What offensive line running backs tonight and then we'll get into defense Saturday and Sunday night, so should be interesting. Which, yeah, Dane has ways about him, so he actually was watching the four yea. But gotta have ways. You gotta have ways in this industry. But it was weird because, like, you know, we y'all went

to dinner. I stopped by to say hi to some friends nearby, and like the bars are all running the drills, Like all of the people that are here to cover the drills are like out getting drinks and food and looking up at the TV like, oh wow, yeah, that's that's going on right now. That's what we're here for. It was very bizarre because typically that's happening like around this time of day. Then you go out and let off some steam later, but like kind of multitasking between

drinking the beer and watching the draft drills. It was. Yeah, it's a little surreal. And you tweeted out last night on your Twitter count at Helman DC you said you were watching the Titanic. That was it the first time the boat sinks? Yeah? Jack dies um did he have fit on the door? I thought you were talking about quintess Is forty times? Was that it did, so you

were actually talking about the movie. So, okay, I'm out, I'm out, you know, I'm out getting some drinks and saying hi to some friends, grabbing some dinner, and then like literally I probably didn't leave the bar till ten thirty, but I walked back to my hotel is like, I'll watch the rest all you know, there's only like twenty minutes left. I'll watch the end in my room. And the hotel didn't get so like there was nothing I couldn't watch, so naturally, so I was like, well, Titanics on,

so ill for that on? Wow? Wow? Well, I mean that's one way to spend your first night of It was a weird night, That's what I'm saying. It was a weird night. But I think I caught up in the morning. Oh absolutely. You can always find ways nowadays to get right back caught up, and we did and do D do so with those trills last night, there were some stand out and of course you're going to

see some of that with the wide receiver group. The quarterbacks going last night as well tight ends a big part of that, but kind of on the back burner when it comes to the guys who stole the show going into it, Henry Runk's the third wide receiver round of Alabama. What was his forty time? And that was the headline, That was what we were all watching for. But there were a couple of guys that stood out, a Chase Claypool out of Notre Dame, Denzel Mims out

of Baylor. But I want to ask you, guys before we get too far into it, what was last night's best storyline for you? For me, it was and I'm gonna steal your lsu to sorry, Oh it sounds better coming from you. Yeah. Justin Jefferson And I think I called him Jordan Jefferson about ten times, but Justin Jefferson, not his older brother. He to me he was the winner of the night. And you know, it's not like

he's coming out of nowhere. I mean, he was already considered a possible first round pick, but going in I thought that he Look, this is a guy that is not a true burn. He wins with savvy with it. As a seasoned route runner, he can win at the stem. He can create his own space, and that's what makes him such a dynamic player, not just necessarily running by guys and so I was thinking low four fives would be a great time for him. And he goes out and runs a four four three and the forty yard

dash was moving. But it's not only that, it was the gauntlet. The gauntlet I mentioned this before, is my favorite drill the entire week. There's just no hiding. I mean, he's fast and furious. You're going this way, this way, this way, no drops. Jefferson was clean, efficient, He was outstanding in that drill. I thought to me, Jefferson was the big winner of the night just watching with my eyes, which I mean I completely agree. Yeah, like I said, it sounds worse coming from me. I mean, I've been

watching the guy for two years. He's incredible. He's natural, amazing route runner, He's so smooth, like everything he does is so effortless. But even me, the worst ellas you, Homer, you've ever met, Like, I'm like, you know, top sixties a cool range for him. If he can get drafted between somewhere in forty and sixty, that would be great. And now experts like Dane are telling me he might be gone by pick twenty five, and I just I didn't see that coming. So good for him. Um, it

was real quick. It's just the we talked about how the top tier of the receivers would be Judy, lamb Uh and Rugs and then take your pick right, and but then that second tier I think, I mean, I think you start with him, you know, I think really him at the top of that last I think there is a strong Chanaul Higgins, greg Or, I you. I mean, you can make cases for a lot of these guys.

You can make a strong case for Jefferson. And then the case was on the field last night working out, which I think I said that at this top of the week is like somebody who were not really talking about will enter the conversation. And if you follow the draft, you know who Justin Jefferson is. But again nobody is talking. Nobody had him in that kind of little gaggle of receivers at the top. And now you're telling me he might be the fourth receiver off the board. That's amazing.

And I think that's kind of goes to the intrigue around this wide receiver class because there are those top guys which all the eyes are gonna be on. They were last night, they will continue all the way up into the draft. Then you got that big group of receivers in the second tier, and that's really kind of the at least the quotations around its second tier. But they were all so close together that I think that's

where you'll see the majority of the movement. Like a guy like Justin Jefferson and then a guy like Denzel Mims who's now getting thrusted into that conversation as well. I was gonna throw mems out there. I mean, he killed it. He was awesome in the forty, awesome in the three cone. Yeah, so athletic. Another Texas guy who I you know, um, Devin DuVernay. Yeah you're if you're back in Texas listening to this. Kat was happy last ye.

I mean he was right behind if I've got my results right, he was right behind Henry Ruggs in terms of fastest forty right him, and he was top five. Yeah, oh you're right, so he was fifth. Yeah there, God, there are some burners out there. Yeah, I'll be honest with you, though, disappointed in Duverney with some of the catching stuff, the field work, fought the ball a little bit, but the agility stuff, the speed stuff, he was outstanding. Yeah.

See and That's kind of what we talked about previously when bringing up Davin DuVernay is on film it almost looks like he glides. He almost doesn't look like he's

going one hundred percent. Now I'm not saying he's sandbags in the game, because I don't think that's necessarily the case, but we were kind of interested going into it to see what kind of speed and agility that he had, because that was one of the knocks on his film was, Hey, he doesn't necessarily look like he's running around people out there, and as a slot guy in the NFL, you kind of have to have some of that at some point

to have that speed. While he came out and ran a really nice forty and looked good and the agility wise, that's why it was interesting that he did struggle catchwise though. That's a guy who really one of the best parts about his game in college was the fact he didn't have a whole lot of drops and he had those surehands, right. But if you watch the tape, it's you know, I think they used him as basically then extension or the

run game. You know, a lot of screen and I think he tracks the ball well naturally, just over his shoulder. But there were a few times, uh you know, the corner stuff, but the back shoulder stuff where he struggled a little bit. We haded just his body and it's it's one workout. Um, you know, I think it's not like it's changing as great at all, but it was.

It was kind of he was the opposite of like a quintest cephist who ran terribly ran in the four sevens, but you could see his basketball background with the way he would snatch the football and so a little different, you know, contrast with those two guys. I've got one that I want to throw your way, who he was definitely a winner last night, but I'm sure and this is a conversation that's happening on Twitter, so I'm gonna

borrow from that. But the Golden Domer, Yeah, mister Claypool, Yeah, Chase Claypool six four two thirty eight, goes out last night, runs a four four two jumps forty one inches, just looks like an all around freak at two thirty eight. That's ridiculous, are we talking? I mean, is this guy the best tight end in the lass and we're just we don't realize that yet. I don't get why there's a tight end discussion. I mean, he's because it seems

like he could do it. I mean, and again again, you got to readjust the conversation like, no, he's not he's not Martellis Bennett, like he's not gonna maul people in the run game. But why I put his hand on the ground and when you know, I mean I think he could be like a big slot. I think

that'd be great. You know, I think he's a pass catcher first and foremost, and so I'm not going to put him in line or you know, I think he could play across the formation inside outside, And this is a case where the receiver tight end lines they're very blurred because you know, I could see it. I understand why someone would suggest that. But he'd be more of you know, the Evan Ingram, the you know, more of that slot guy more so than a traditional tight end

with kind of how we associate these tight ends. And I think I would probably agree more with you, Dan, And I think last night proved that there really shouldn't be that much of a conversation when it comes to

Claypool going to time it end. I mean, we've had that conversation before, whether it be on Twitter, and I don't know if we've talked about it actually on the show yet, but maybe off air talking about, hey, is this a guy that just fits more into that mold, could be more successful up on the line of scrimmage rather than out wide as a wide receiver. I think last night he kind of showed I should be a wide receiver a lot. When you see that two forty,

that's that's what your your mind immediately understandably goes to. Well, say the same thing about Colin Johnson too, though, right, you know, is he outgrowing the position? And you know, I think but with that athletic profile, um, you know, I I'd rather keep him in the slot or outside, let him you know, match up with some of these uh,

you know, undersized corners. And I think the big thing too, Chase Claypool and I wrote about this, there's there's gonna be a lot of special teams coaches banging on the table saying let's draft him because we want him on special teams. The toughness, the power, and that speed coming down on coverages. He had twenty five tackles at Notre Dame over his career. We know he can do it. Um. I think that definitely. And when you have such a stacked group of these guys and they're there, it's a

little crowded. The more you can do, the more value that you offer. And so that's why a guy like Chase Claypool, at the very worst, I think you're talking about a fourth receiver special teams stand out, and at the at the best, you're talking about a guys stepping as a starter and be a featured weapon for you. Let's talk quarterbacks. Last night, we saw some of the

quarterbacks throwing it around. Now the top names, of course, Ta and Joe Burrow not a part of it, but we saw Justin Herbert go out there and throw the football around, Jordan Love who caught some eyes as well. Jacob Eason, I thought had kind of a good night overall quarterback wise. But there's there's those guys out in this quarterback class that had a chance last night to show some speed and agility off but also show off the arms as well. Who stood out to you in

the first night of drills. Eason, that ball just really think you hear it. It's just it cuts through the through the air like it's like it's nothing, it's it's crazy. But he was a little off at first. It took him a little while to settle in, and you could see that in some of the drills starts with Herbert and Love. Both of these guys, I don't think either of them did anything that would change your opinion based

on twenty four hours ago. Forty eight hours ago. I thought both were outstanding and both should be in that type of setting. So it was not a surprise to see both those guys play performed well during the throwing portion. You know, I think that From it is the opposite of the Easton conversation. We mentioned this on last show, how going back to back and the stark difference in velocity and but at the same time, while there was

a stark difference, From was a lot more accurate. He did a better job with the chemistry and the timing of the throws. He just the ball loses life. I thought Jalen Hurts, he performed well in the you know, in the forty yard dash and the agility stuff. But my biggest questions with Jalen Hurts, You're just not going to figure out. You're not gonna have those questions answered in a setting like that, and that's you know, anticipation,

holding the ball too long, reading defenses. You know, it's great that Jalen Hurts did what he did, but my questions from tape are still kind of unanswered. Um, you know, he's not gonna be able to show that in a setting like the Combine. I agree with that, do you also? I think you could say something similar about a guy like Eson. Definitely in the sense that, like this type of stuff is designed to show off, you know, just how rare his arm talent is and stuff like that.

Like his problem is decision making, seeing things, anticipating things, and so he can go out there and throw as beautiful ball as he wants to. It doesn't really make me think any more highly of him because I've seen some of the very very questionable things that he does during live action. Very very fair. He is a bigger slower emphasis on slower Stafford. I mean, that's just who he is. And but can he do enough to negotiate that pocket and under pressure make the reads and make

the throws. Yeah, you're right, that's something that I don't think we were going to figure out until any Even if he this is where the debate gets about sitting a quarterback or playing him like, you know, you could sit him, but is he really going to gain the experience needed to learn that and become better in that area. And that's why a lot of people were telling him go back to school for your senior year because the NFL's you know, it's not a developmental league, it's it'll

eat up, spitch out if you don't have this stuff. So, yeah, he Easton is a very very intriguing player who I'm gonna guess he goes in the second round just because the arm talent is so special. Yeah, but um yeah, there's a lot of you know, buyer beware with him. He had the highest velocity on the straight line speed throw last night. Correct, he was second. He was sixty two,

and then Nate Stanley from Iowa had sixty three. I know we were we were right around that that top mark in terms of that, right, Does it make a difference when you look at those two guys, if we're comparing From and Easton and kind of looking at those two back back to back, does it make a difference. The fact that From has had a significant amount of more starts and experience at the college level where than

Easton during his time starting. Yeah, it's almost it was a vast difference in terms of the amount of starts and the record that has had between the two. And I think you know that both these guys they're not gonna be for everybody. Um, you know, from you need more of a West Coast offense that's going to emphasize timing and rhythm and quick throws, and he needs talent around him to be successful. There's no question where Easton's more of the traditional prototype, but he doesn't have a

lot of that experience. He played as a freshman and then missing two years and played this past year. Washington did some nice things got better throughout the year as he kind of got a little more seasoned with everything, but he's still the development's not there, and so where is he mentally in his development? And is there room to grow? That's the big thing that's the toughest part

about quarterbacks. From He's probably close to his ceiling in terms of what he's going to be, but Easton's a little more tougher to figure out how close is east into a ceiling? I mean, is he kind of just he is who he is, or is he really going to develop. And that's you know, Joe Burrow, perfect example, who who thought he had as much of a room to grow as he did. You know, I mean they were calling Burrow a day three pick. Yeah, I don't. I don't know anybody that had a no top or

day one or day two pick on Joe Burrow. I mean talking because that's I spend my summer's trading information with teams, with agents, with scouts, everybody, and um, not one person the highest grade I heard on on Burrow with a fourth round grade. Wow. So I mean that that's just and that's a rare case. You know, we're not gonna get that every year. And but it's really speaks to the fact that the quarterback position remains the

toughest position to evaluate. So quarterbacks, tight ends or quarterbacks wide receivers. Let's talk about those tight ends. We had one last night, Chase Claypool. Not Chase Claypool, No know that in there? Yeah? How about how about some other guys Albert Oh last night running a four four nine or two? Uh? Okay, Albert Oh, Adam Surrey, Aine's gonna know uku Way Bunan that that's good, pretty good, pretty good. I googled it, so kua buonam or what would you

say it as m Alberto? Yeah, you're not gonna say it. But he goes out runs a four four nine And it was one of the quicker times we've seen as a tight end over the past couple of years or really all time honestly in the combine and UH showed off some of the skills out there as well. But what did you guys think from the tight end position? Have you you looked at Alberto coming in right? I

have not seen something of Alberto. I only know that, like his production dropped off pretty heavily because Missouri's disaster, well and even since his ruture freshman year, because that's when you really UM kind of put himself on the radar. I think it's like a double digit touchdown catches that UH and really kind of said, hey, I'm the guy you need to know. In the last two years, he was kind of a little disappointing. UM, but he doesn't play. And I think I mentioned this last show, the ninety

ten rule. You know, should meet expectations, they're probably gonna be about ten percent that surprised you. And he's part of that ten percent with a four four nine because he doesn't play that fast. Now sometimes on the you know, on the vertical stuff, you know, he can stretch the seam a little bit when he can just run, But when you ask him to, uh, you know, make cuts and in and out of his breaks, that's where you just don't see a lot of urgency. Needs to be

a little more loose with his athleticism. Um, when it comes to the route running and can he do that maybe, Um, but there's no question of four four nine. Youre gonna run a sub four five at the tight end position, it's going to help you. I thought he was a probably a borderline talk one hundred guy. Um, good chance he gets into that late portion of the third round. But with those types of times, that's really going to help him go on day two. Dave, any thoughts on

the tight ends last night? I'm a big believer that you know, we talk about like how useful is a forty? Really that literally just watching on true just watching on TV, I saw Alberto's forty and I was like, Wow, that's really impressive. And I was like do I care? Do I care that much? At best straight line speed? Right? But I am a big believer, and I think this is true. If I had to pick one drill where I'm just like, show me that and I'll tell you

how I feel about the guy would probably be three cone. Absolutely, that's just across the board or is that specifically? You know, you like, if we're talking running backs and receivers, I care a little bit more about the forty. I care a little bit more about the vertical, but just in terms of change of direction and speed and balance and bend and all that stuff, which is something that like every football player needs. That drill is going to expose

whether you have it or not. And that's why. The one thing that jumped out to me was that Cole Comet did not do very well in the three cone drill. He I'm looking at it right now. He's down I mean seven four four, which is the rough second worst time of the day. Wow. And it is the opposite for Troutman. Yeah, which and number one sorry Adam Troutman, our dating guy. He was the best at six seven eight, which is not far behind the pace of I'm looking out on the site right here. Dennis Pitto was a

six seven two. Like, that's really good. Here's the stat for you. After I got home last night, I looked it up I got to my hotel room. The six seven eight in the three cone is the sixth best time at the three cone drill for a tight end ever in the history of the combo. So that tells you right there how impressive that is. But meanwhile, he ran a four eight ozh in the forty so the

straight line stuff wasn't exactly there. But see doesn't that And that's why I'm at where I'm like, Okay, four eight four eight doesn't just jump off the page at you. But give me the four eight with the great three cone, and I'm more excited about that than the four five hundred times out of it, especially with the tight ends receivers, where you know it's not just go routes. You know you're gonna have to churn change directions if if you're

a stiff athlete, the three cone will expose you. And that's kind of what happened with some of these guys yesterday. And Albert Oh yesterday did not run the three cone drill after he had the four four nine, So kind of tough to tell on that one. So maybe we'll get to see that during his Zuri Pro Day. So wide receivers, quarterbacks, tight ends, they are done. They're on their way back home. Offensive linemen and running backs will start their drills tonight. That starts at four o'clock Eastern,

three o'clock Central. But today the early morning session, we heard a lot from the secondary guys, corners, safeties, a lot of guys of positions of need for the Dallas Cowboys. We'll talk about that coming up in just a little bit. But when we come back Twitter on the twenty returns the final time we get to talk to Dame Brugler this week, sending your questions at the Draft show on Twitter. We'll be back from Indianapolis here in just a moment.

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I would fit well with them in that scheme. Um. You know, I think I said, I'm a versatile guy, so I can do a lot of different things. So I think I'll fit well in a lot of a lot of schemes. To be honest with you, I don't think there's a scheme that I wouldn't be well and do well in. So UM, you know, I try to make sure that I am able to fit in any scheme that I am put in. So um, but I

think I fit well in this scheme. Dallas Cowboys Draft show back here from Indianapolis and draft sweetheart Alabama safety Xavier McKinney, saying he would fit well into the Cowboys system. He said he'd fit well into any system, but he specifically said the Dallas Cowboys system overall. Get some excitement going, right, man? We can we get him over here and ask him what the Cowboys system is. That's a good question. If I mean, if Rod Marinelli was still here, I would

have an idea. But I don't even know what Mike Nolan's got in mind. So I'd love to hear what he thinks that they would do with him. That's a good point, which, to be fair, I think Xavier McKinney can do just about anything you ask of him, at least adequately. I still just top safety on the board. No, no, okay, did you hear him? Someone asked him who the toughest receiver he faced this year? He mentioned h Brian Edwards

from South Carolina. Then you're two LSU receivers, so they're nice, man, which you know we were joking somebody on Twitter as there's like, why how come nobody's talking about Jamar Chase because he's going back to LSU because he's going to be only nineteen purple and gold back in baton rouge and Dave Hellman smiles ear to ear on the other

side of the table. Well, real quick, I know, I mean, we're gonna do Twitter on the twenty, but I mean, and we talked about the safeties and how you know these are Grant Delpit LSU Xavier McKinney Alabama, both flawed to a degree, both still probably first round picks. Very quickly because you kind of blinked at me when you said I didn't think McKinney was the best. Like, what give me your breakdown of those two where they thank for you. I didn't know you, Kyle Dugger that much

there is that's that's great. Grant Delpa is not a perfect prospect, but he is the best safety. And I know, and I'm about need to be careful what I say because all the hayte and slander, somebody's gonna tweet it. Grant and Delpa is getting uh yeah, and I think with h with Delpit coming into the area, so much hype and um, you know, you see the range, you see the cover awareness, and in today's NFL, that's what matters more more than anything. But you still have to

be able to be reliable as a tackler. Um, and he's just it doesn't help that he's not the biggest guy. UM. You know that he it does seem like he makes a few key decisions that maybe he doesn't go all in and goes for the tackle. I think technique is off. Um, But I get why. I just struggle with him because there's there's too many negative plays on his tape for a guy that I'm gonna invest a first round pick in. And honestly the same with the thing with Davier McKinney.

I don't love either of these guys. Wow, I mean I think it's right. I posted actually on Twitter, um after Javier McKinney said Brian Edwards as one of the receivers that he thought was the best they faced. I posted an All twenty two clip of when they face Alabama and South Carolina faced off and Brian Edwards just got him turned around, created space and you know I

was able to do that. So with Davie McKinney. He's a much better tackler downhill defender, But can you trust him as a guy that's going to be in man coverage? Can you trust him single high? You know he's there are a few examples of him doing these things, but against NFL level athletes, it's just a different animal. And

so I like these safeties. I don't love them, and I think it's it's tough to figure out where what is the proper value for these guys, which I so I would say, and I know, like I said, Grant Delpits, he's got his flaws. I trust more that you could teach him to tackle with better technique and better effort. It's fixable. It's fixable as opposed to like, if you don't have it in coverage, I just don't think you

have it. Yeah. Sure, And Grant Delpit for two years has displayed in ability uh to cover and to make plays in coverage, which is what this defense in Dallas has so sorely needed. Which is why I think he's the more valuable of the two players. And I think that's that's a that's a good argument, and said that we don't have to get all into it. I said on Wednesday, like, I don't think the Cowboys would draft either one of them at seventeen. Yeah, not at not

at seventeen maybe oh yeah, yeah. I think there might be a little bit too much of those scenarios and those uh, those holes on the back end of the defense that need to be filled before they take a safety at seventeen. But with that being said, let's get into Twitter on the twenty Twitter. Our first question here on Twitter on the twenty comes from Clayton and he says, as the Cowboys happy or sad if Tua goes at number two and we avoid Chase Young, being that the

Redskins don't take happy, happy, very happy. So you the generational pass rusher out of the division. Yes, but you would rather face twa overall for however long and face I get wow, I didn't even think about it. You would have just like la, I mean, get all right, if if if twas going to be healthy and you're gonna be getting ten to twelve years of two of then probably just draft Chase Young. So there's a there's a big if there though, no for sure, So it's

it's it's do you take the gamble. I'm not ready to sit here in February of twenty twenty and say that twas going to be a bus though. I mean, yeah, I have concerns, but I'm not ready to say it's not as health concerns. I will say this, I would not be surprised that come draft draft Day, would not be surprised if either Justin Herbert or Jordan Love was the second quarterback drafted. Would not be surprised at all. But not out there do you think which Okay, Dan

Snyder's known been known to do some crazy stuff. I mean, the word on the street is I mean that Dwayne Haskins was a Dan Snyder absolutely. So it's hard for me to believe that Dan Snyder would give up on a guy he wanted so badly last year after one year, especially because the coaches didn't want him. So yeah, Snyder kind of flex his muscles on that one. Maybe maybe this new staff is the same when they're like, all right, fine,

let's go get this other guy. I have to believe that part of the coaching interview process was not so what do you think about our quarterback situation? It was so, how are you going to make Dwayne Haskins a good player. I would hope so so, But it wasn't even the option of, you know, like that's how a healthy franchise

would do it. I think, well, no, I mean I think I think a healthy franchise is probably gonna be more along the lines of what about our quarterback situation and not saying our quarterback is Dwayne Haskins, what are we going to do with him? Like just because you want you want to coach that wants to coach him, not feels like they have to coach him. But it's tough because, uh, you know, Haskins, we saw so little of him, and the little that we did see was

not positive. But we cite example after example of guys a struggle it as rookies. Um, I think with the Redskins, you know, we'll see with Trent Williams coming back, we'll see. Yeah, they've had a pretty promising wide receiver a group with led by Terry McLaurin, So you know, well, we'll see. I think hopefully I'd like to see Dwayne Haskins get another year, especially with the new new coaching staff in there.

But with when you're sitting when you're picking number two overall, you have to at least do your due diligence on on the quarterbacks that could be available with do Well. And it's also not unheard of to see a quarterback selected in the first round by an organization back to back years. I mean we saw it just most recently with Josh Rosen. That was like the first time I was gonna say it's not unheard of because it happened.

So but the modern NFL, I mean, right, it's a lot of impatience out there, so you know, that's why you can't completely rule it out. But because Haskins was a Snyder pick, because he, like I said, flex his muscles, over overruled the coaches and went that direction, I don't think he's going to be ready to just move on from that pick. So now it if if if a quarterback has taken two overall, I bet a trade out

Washington traded out of that, traded out of it. I don't think that's the worst idea I've ever heard, Like I don't That roster, in my opinion, is not as flat out awful as you would expect from a team picking number two. Mike, You've got some talent on the O line, You've got some talented pass like their front, their defensive front is very impressive. They need defensive backs. They could I mean, Terry McLaurin broke out, but they

you know, they could use some other skill players. But I don't think that the Redskins are as atrociously untalented as you would expect from a team picking number two. Dane being a guy who's kind of kept up with these organizations, is it out of the question to see Miami maybe give up two of their three first round picks and try and go up to two and make sure that they do snag Ato. If they're convinced that two is going to be healthy and gonna be there

a guy, then that's what you do. That's why you you gather all these draft picks so you can be aggressive and go get the right quarterback. It just we just have no idea of I mean, so we could see it, We just have no idea of knowing if that's how Miami's going to feel, and we're not gonna know until at least April ninth, when two was able to do his personal pro day. We see him throw,

we see the body movements. Um, that's going to be such a big part of the process for any team that's considering UH to UH, and it's just the quarterbacks. They drive the conversation every year and this year is no different. And but there's we're not forcing the conversation

because there's a lot of intrigue at the top. Well but maybe not the top because Joe Burrow, even I know he didn't do anything um last night at dalen Field drills, the running anything like that, but I tell you what he I was watching him on the sideline. He was one of the first guys up fist bumps, high fives with all the receivers tight ends. He just has his magnetism to him where it just goes guys. And he's not a he's not a rut well we know, look at the sparkle in them. I'm sorry, yeah, the

other day just pop Burrows here. He's not a raw, raw guy. He's not a you know, a guy that's gonna be overly vocal. But he just has a presence to him that I think teammates really rally around, really resonates with them. And that's something that really showed. Even Burrow didn't do anything, um, you know, drill wise, but I came away impressed, and if I was impressed by it, I could promise you Scott's for paying attention as well. And our next question Daniel Roberts, has to do with

last night as well. But he asked everyone or everybody last year made a big stink about DK Metcalf's testing. Why isn't anybody making a big deal about Jalen Ragers just yet? I don't. I mean, was it think historically bad? I mean you're gonna say kind of average, we're the best way to Yeah, I mean I think it was probably disappointing because people were expecting Jalen Ragor to run like a four degree, to come out and set the

world on fight. If I'm not mistaken, Like his times were all like within an acceptable range of what you would want from a draftable wide receiver, right right. I think just in our minds, it was so inflaced to be freaky, yeah right, And that was a four four seven in the forty last night. Yeah, and no, so sub still really good. And this is the guy that won a state championship in the long jump in high school, so we knew the jumps were going to be really impressive,

and they were. He did not disappoint with the jumps, that lower body explosiveness. Um, I was more like the forty year Dash was a little disappointed. I wasn't more concerned about the shuttles. We're not We're not great, and that's something that you would a little surprised and you expected him better right of him. He had a four four six in the shuttle, Yeah, which is not a great time. Umkondro was a seven three one Yeah. No, I mean I would go as far as to say

he had a disappointing day. Yeah. But like basically, people said last year that dk Metcalf was so stiff and so athletic unathletic that he couldn't do anything except run in a straight line. Yeah. I don't think we're saying that about Jalen Raiders. I don't think so either, but I do. I mean, you know, entering the combine, we you know on the draft show before the show, and I feel like the narrative was that Dane talked about

the trio of Lamb, Judy and Rugs. A lot of people thought Jalen Ragor was in the conversation to be the next best guy after that, And no, like we said at the top of the show, nobody was talking about Justin Jefferson. And that's what these drills do, is they flip it because obviously one guy had a much better night than the other. Yeah, And I you know, I didn't think Ragor was a first round pick, but I thought that, you know, he had a chance to really help himself, and I don't think he did that.

And I don't think he's necessarily dropping. But in a loaded class like this, like we've been talking about, it's the littlest things that could really separate yourself. Kent Garrison coming on by a former member of the Cowboys staff saying, Hi, oh, here he comes here it is there's the cameo. That's exactly how radio row goes. Next question comes from Connor, and this is an intriguing one because we've talked about this prospect before. Connor asked, where do you see Terrell

Burgess playing at the next level? Of course, out of Utah and he little on the smaller side for a safety prospect, but in my opinion, that's where he projects best. Is he good enough as a cover guy to play both spots, both nickel and safety. So I think he's kind of the the in between. He's a nickel too, you know, he's I don't I don't know that he can do everything that you want to safety. I don't know that you can do everything you want a corner, But I think he can do everything you want a

nickel player, so you can play that inside position. He understands relationships between multiple routes. He can read those combinations, and he flips his hips. He can run, he can find the football, he can locate. And the guy you talked to his coaches about him, They rave about this guy as smarts. How you know, the character impacts the

rest of the locker room. So he is a guy that off the field, no no concerns team guy on the field, not someone that's you know, he might be a little scheme specific with how you use him in the sub packages. But you know, we're talking about a late third, early fourth rounder probably, So that's why there's a discount sticker on him compared to being talked about

the first or second rounder. And we talked to him earlier this morning and he also said, even though he grew up in California, his family was full of diehard Dallas Cowboys fans. They would go to the games all the time. They would find a way to go to Texas. So I mean that's another guy that you could potentially look at as one of those former Cowboys fans that could end up just filling a position of need in

their former fandom. Now moving on, this is another this or that question and says, would you take Javon kin Law out of South Carolina defensive tackle or one of the top three receivers if they fell to seventeen? Those top three receivers that he tweeted about, where Seedee Lamb out of Oklahoma, Jerry Judy out of Alabama, and then his teammate from college, Henry Ruggs the third. I'm driving the flirty Burger train. You are even I wouldn't do that,

ye give me. I mean the second best defensive tackle in the class, I mean Derek Browns, and you know he's in his own category. He'll be long gone. But Ken Law can do so much stuff. He can be so disruptive. I think he's he's rare in general. But then throw that in there with the fact that this receiver class is absurd. Yep. Also, if you want to get really Cowboys specific, there's so much smoke coming out

of Indie this week that I mean Randall Cobb's coming back. Yeah, I'll be shocked if he doesn't, based on what we've heard. So you know, we'll see what happens with a Marii Cooper. But it seems reasonable that your top three receivers are all back. You don't have any defensive tackles under contract. Like the value there, I think it's really mismatched when you consider that you could get a great receiver at

pick eighty, let alone pick seventeen. It's tough because I think on my board I will have Lamb as a higher graded player than kit in Law. But everything you said I agree with, you know, in terms of it's why best player available is a lie, very subjective. It's a lie. It's their context is require didn't you're right about you know you can wait in the receiver position. I would have a hard freaking time moving away from from um Cede Lamb. Oh Yeah, that would be agonizing,

That would be tough. But when you look at it and say, you know everything you just said about defensive tackle and how that's a bigger need, how you can you really want a receiver? Okay, you can wait and still get a pretty pretty talented wide out second third, fourth round. Um, yeah, I mean I think I I'm going to ride the fence here. Uh sorry, sorry, because yeah, where's broad coward, coward? This is make a decision, coward.

It's February, it's not April. Uh not yet. So I would LAMB is a better player, but I think i'd probably lead more towards you. It reminds me, which this is a terrible example, because Taco Charlton didn't even finish his rookie contract. Ye, the reason they did it in the first place. Yeah, I know they should have picked t J. Watt, But the reason they did it is we can we have to get the pass rusher that can make an impact here and there will be dbs down the line for us. Yeah. And they turned out

to be right about that to a degree. They picked the wrong pass rusher. But that's strategy would sound you know what I mean, That's fair, And so I just feel way better about their odds of finding a good receiver later than a defensive tackle who can actually make an impact at least early. And I think I would agree here as well, because would you agree with me

here that either one of those four guys. If you had rugs Lamb, Judy or kin Law coming to Dallas wearing the Navy blue blazer in the next couple of days holding up a jersey in a press conference, would you be happy, I'm sorry, Judy, ruggs Ki, Law or Lamb. Would you be ecstatic about any of those four guys? Yes, you pick no matter what, at least at the moment. Whenever we come to draft time, that's what it looks like.

It looks like those are four guys that are going to make an im media impact for your football team. So I think you have a little bit of confidence, you have a little bit of peace knowing that you're going to get a guy if if this is the scenario that works out and you have a decision to make, And honestly, another thing that's really encouraging is that there's a chance that one of those four guys is there at seventeen based on the offensive tackles and the quarterbacks

that could go earlier. I will say this, the fans never forget the fans never forget who you passed on. Uh, you know, whether it's a you know, T. J. Watt or whoever. They will not forget um. So you know, it's not like that you need to create any any pressure that they are don't already feel. But it would be tucked to pass on one of those guys and take the other. That's one of the intricacies of the

draft that makes it so so fun. One more question here for Twitter on the twenty Jeremy says, who was the bell of the interview circuit throughout the course of the week and any particularly negative interviewees. The thing about that, like you're talking about with us or with the team with all of it teams, okay, let's do with media, Yeah, stay with us? Okay, Yeah, I was gonna say, we

don't know and trust what's coming out of it. Out of the team thirty seven parking tickets for Ross Blacklaw is one of the few fun ones that I've heard.

But out of the media, didn't anyone really stick out to you as being a couple years ago in to New Callaway to me was just it was so bad, like he was so nervous and he was not comfortable, and it was it was a rough thing to go through and to the point where I was felt sorry for him, like just this is not going well, and I don't think there was anything like that, at least

not that I was a part of yes year. I have to be totally transparent, like with my duties as a beat writer and chasing the Jones family around like I didn't. I wasn't at as many interviews as the two of y'all. M Nobody really jumped out to me as just like a terrible interview. I think someone keep it to today. This morning, Jeff Okuda was dude and

what you would expect from a corner you know. He I thought was really fascinating when a couple of times when someone asked him, like, you know, how do you clean up your sloppy plays? And he's like, I had zero pass interference penalties, had zero defensive holding penalties, Like you need to go back to the tape and watch

explain to me these sloppy plays. And then later he someone asked about, you know, as he pay attention to teams that are picking on top of the draft, he literally rattled off, Okay, well you know this is the Redskins depth chart at cornerback. You know, they just got rid of Josh Norman, they're negotiating with Dunbar that he went through the top five. Every team in the top five, he knew their depth chart in and out at the cornerback position. This is a guy does his homework. He's

paying attention, very very bright individual. We're gonna go We're gonna go deeper into Jeffrey Okuda here in a little bit. I will say, so, I don't mean to you know, we're not talking to Antonio Callaway or Robert Kimdici from a few years ago. That was brutal. That was bad. Um who you got, who you got Tua, not in the sense that he was like, I mean, he's fine. He seems like a super nice guy, very like mature

and polite. But I was just bored and underwhelmed. Uh And it felt like it felt a little phony, for lack of a better word for me. Like a example is he's like, you know, I don't think you know, the story goes if you don't know that his dad just turned him into a lefty basics right, and you know, he just had him start throwing with a left hand with his left hand early on in life. And he said, and he's like, you know, I don't I don't think i'd be here. I don't think I'd be here if

he hadn't done that. And somebody immediately was like why, Like how do you know? And he's like, what is it about being left handed that makes you so confident? And he's like he's like, well, I don't know, Like I've never thrown with my right hand. It's like, well, yeah, but you're obviously talent enough to have gotten here, like it stands to reason you could have done it. And somebody else was like, well, what's so different about playing left hand? And he was like, I don't know. The

ball spinds a different way. And I was just like you and somebody else somebody was like, what's your greatest strength? What do you need to work on? The mode? He was just like, I don't like talking about myself, Like I'm I'm embarrassed, I'm shy. You guys are making me talk about myself. I was like, guess what, bro, that's the point of this whole thing. Give me something, tell me something interesting, because it just sounds like it was

very It just felt very phony to me. I was like, give me a little more context, give me a little more detail. He came off very tired and very like he was in the hospital for fourteen hours. I think that is the contact I'm trying to get at, Like, I think that played a part, Like he just came off like he was it was not the right frame of mind for him to be doing that at that

point in time. That's fair. That's a really good point, so you know, but I agree it was not an impressive interview, and just hopefully for his sake, the team interviews go better than what do you did with the media. I thought there were some really good interviews, particularly today. I mean CJ. Henderson was awesome, Noah Igbinogamy, who we heard a little bit of earlier, the same thing with Antoine Winfield Junior and in Minnesota, he had an awesome

press conference. There weren't like a whole big ton of people. McKey. At the same time, I saw your tweet that he said he wants to return punts, and I was like, yeah, let's get him. Get him here. He had a wonderful interview, and it was because of the fact that he kind of went into his dad and the way he looks up to his father, who of course had a fourteen year playing career in the NFL. So that was really intriguing. One guy that I didn't necessarily like as much, and

this one might make some Jeff cavanall guys unhappy. Jeff Gladney was kind of man man. He's kind of man up on the podium to day, so that was kind of one disappointing thing. Overall. I thought he was okay, but just compared to some of the other guys. I mean, Terrell Burgess out of Utah was great. Yeah, there are a lot of really good podium guys over the course of the week, but today I think might have been the best day in terms of some of the more

likable guys. You gotta have swagger to play defensive back, so it's not surprised that they would be good interviews. And one guy who has plenty of swagger and is a plenty of the center of conversation, Jeffrey Okuda. We already just talked about him, the cornerback out of Ohio State. When we come back, we're gonna talk about Okuda, who

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So when I sat down with him. I was like, I think you had dreadlocks back in the day, right, And I was like, yeah, that's me. So I was able to sit down with him. We talked football. He kind of like he just I let him just talk and I soaked up the game. And that's what I want to do, just kind of take a nugget, get better like that. Yeah, I did. I did grow with

Cowboys fan, watched all the Cowboys games. Uh, big fan of the guys that they've had come through and uh so I know how special is the guys in the area to to where the start on their helmet. The final segment of the week here from a radio row in the twenty twenty NFL Scouting Combine the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show, Dave Helmet, Dame Broukler, cow Yeoman's with you. Coming back into the segment, Jeffrey Oku to cornerback of Ohio State. We were just talking about him

a little bit. Said, grew up at cow Boys family. He knows what it would mean to where the star on the side of the helmet. So, guys, here's here's the conversation. Got about twelve minutes. Here we're gonna get deep into this. So I see you're you're grinning over there. Jeff Okuda pretty much the I guess unanimous number one corner in the entire draft. Agree, agree, yep? Okay, what would it take for the Dallas Cowboys to go up and get Jeff Okuda? And how we how we're going

to start this conversation. There's a lot at stake here because there's multiple picks. You're most likely gonna have to what go up to three for the purposes of this, I mean between three and five? Okay, between three and five. So three is where earliest because we're assuming Joe Burrow would go one to Cincinnati, Chase Young would be taken segment second by insert name here or to or somebody. What would it take to get up the three from seventeen?

I think we have to say to A or Chase Young two because if he doesn't go then yeah, then you're talking about Yeah, that's a good point. Okay, so let's try it. Let's try purposes here, trying to get to three with the Detroit Lions, who just don't seem to want to take anybody with that number three overall point um an act of God that's what it would take. I mean, wow, let's lay it out where it would take seventeen. Obviously that's people it would it would take

pick seventeen. So we did do it. We did the math on this when we decided we wanted to talk about it, Yes, and bring out the chart. Trade charts aren't universal, but the Cowboys pick is worth roughly nine hundred and fifty points. Detroit's pick at number three is

worth roughly twenty two hundred. That's a that's a twelve hundred and fifty point difference, just for reference, because there's always somebody that's like, throw in your four or five and six, and you'll get like, no, that that doesn't that premium premium picks or what moved the needle on trades? Yes, and so what we say, it's a twelve hundred and fifty point difference. Yes, the Cowboys second round pick is only worth three hundred ninety. Okay, their third round pick

is worth one hundred and eighty. So you're only halfway there throwing in both of those two and three. Which the point is you're not getting that done without giving up next year's first round pick, just not doing it. H And then you're probably throwing a sweetener in on top of it. To Dane's point, you try to give up next year's one and this year's three. Okay, realistic, Like if it's me, I'm holding you up for your number two as well. Okay, you're talking next year's one,

this year's one, and this year's two. Just for reference, how how valuable is next year's one? Well on the on the trade chart, Well that's it's next year's picks are always worth a little bit less, right, Okay, So it and and that's the thing is how it works because it's it's a guess. Again, there's no there's no way to assign a value to it because the Cowboys could pick one or thirty two. There's no way to know. So it's worth a little bit less. But you just

have to you're just throwing it in there. Okay, does it? Does it have a value number though on it at all? Okay? I mean they don't know. I didn't know if they they had it. Kind of just throwing there as a bart you're saying, wherever it is. And that's that's what makes it so scary, is Yeah, it could be a top five pick. It could be you know, you could win the Super Bowl. Who the hell knows is what makes the trick. And that's the thing is, yeah, exactly.

The Cowboys are in a position where if they made the playoffs next year, would it surprise anybody? Really shouldn't. I mean, they're a capable team. But if they were picking eighth overall, would that necessarily be surprising either? I mean, that's possible factor in injuries in everything else. Top ten I think would surprise me? It would? It would that gets hurt weak two. You know, like I'm just saying,

then we've got Anthony Gordon to back that. I'll stop it in the game of football, right, you know, So nothing should would surprise that. That goes into the thinking because I'll tell you this, if if it happens like that, the Cowboys will not be the only team making calls to go up to number three. So that's but it's more competition for the Cowboys. So that almost guarantees that the one in three is probably not gonna be enough

one and to two. And hey, the Lions might not even do that because they're looking at this draft saying we want to come away with Okuda or Derek Brown or Zaia Simmons, one of these dudes on defense. To make us a better team, we go seventeen. That's just not going to do it for us, even if we are gaining a one in a two next year for a team that might be in the playoffs, which so you're talking about a pick in the twenties next year.

How appealing is that? So that's the thing too, is the chart helps you get an idea, right, But it's up to the team, it really is. The Lions could say we want your entire draft and next year's one, or we're not doing it, like they could ask for whatever the hell they want. You're the one that wants to pick. So I just don't think it's realistic. And on top of that, I think the world of Jeff

Okuda it's not worth it at that position. Like, what's the debate we're having right now about, you know, should the Cowboys be as ready to move on from Byron Jones as they are? Well, where'd they find him? Yeah, pick pick twenty seven, Yeah and so and again, and why are they so comfortable conceivably letting him go, which it sounds like they will do because as good as he is, their belief at least is that he does

not impact the game enough to be worth it. And I tend to agree sticking with the at least compared to the guys that they have to sign. And that's also on that and that's that is the thing for the Dallas Cowboys in the era that they are currently in. They have so many good, expensive players that they are that are taking up so much at the top of their salary cap. The only way to offset it and hope to be successful is to have draft picks and hit on them and replenish the middle of your roster

with affordable talent. And you can't do that if you're trading away picks to acquire one player. That's just my opinion. No, I think as well said, and I think we also have to factor in what is the gap how this team views between Okuda and say, like a CJ. Henderson, Sure you know a CJ. If you can get CJ. Henderson, say at seventeen, is it really would you rather have Jeff A Kuda or would you rather have CJ. Henderson? Plus whoever you're taking the first round next year, who

have you taken a second round next year? I mean it's a quantity quality debate. But I start to lean more towards the three guys than I would just have one. And like, like we said, it's just it's not against Okuda, it's not against you know, we think he's an outstanding player. But I don't know, I lean more towards Dave. It's a very similar conversation than that kind of what we had earlier in the week. Maybe not we had, but what Cowboys Nation had whenever two. I was talking about

being a fan of the Cowboys. Oh what would it take to go up and get a two attack about a little out of Alabama. But at the same time, this guy actually fills a position of need. So would a one in three intrigue you? But I'm not gonna I'm not just gonna say Jeffrey Akuta. Here we said, let's get to three. Let's say Chase Young. Somehow it gets to three. Would you do it for a Chase Young? Though? That would be different because I'm a little I would

do more inclined. Inclined doing a heartbeat? Okay, he would do it in a well, how are you giving up in a heartbeat? Are you just saying name your price? Um? Well, no, not name your price, but I mean I would give a seventeen seventeen next year's one, and then I try to give up next year's three or this year's three. I try to get it done. They say, you're absolutely off your rocker day. Yes, it wouldn't happen. We know how good this guy. What about how about this year?

Next year's one and a two? Yeah, And I don't even think that would get it done, because I think so. I think the Lions would be crazy to not take him at that pick. And the other thing, too, is the competition. If Chase Young is still available at three, there are gonna be some just crazy offers being thrown because people have short memories in the NFL. They saw what Nick Bosa did this past year for the forty

nine Ers as a rookie. And you know, obviously the forty nine ers defensive line is stacked and that allowed Bosa to have a lot of one on one opportunities and all that. But Chase Young has the ability to be better than Nick Bosa when we look back at this draft. And so if you can add a talent like that, you don't pass it by. You go and be aggressive and go make it happen. I really think I'm only down to do a deal like that for

a quarterback. I really am out of any position because it's the only thing that gives you that much value back because it's the most important position in the game. He touches the ball every snap. And if I mean, you know, we've seen it. You know Houston and Kansas City went and got quarterbacks. The Rams and the Eagles got golf and wins the same way. Knowing what we know now about Nick Bosa. You wouldn't have done that

for Nick Bosa. I don't think so. See, I would like you just you just contradicted yourself though, because the Niners are reloaded, like and that's not a knock on Bosa, no, but he's got so much. He's got Eric Armstead, he's got DeForrest Buckner, he's got Richard Sherman and those guys in the secondary helping him like he was the cherry on top of what was already a pretty talented defense. As he is not the foundational stone of that defense

and is just doing it. I think a better point is, you know, Miles Garrett's been good, and he had a good rookie season, but he wasn't Nick Bosa right off the back because he didn't have the help right and well, and that's part of it. Also part of it is he just hasn't necessarily developed some of his go to moves, and you know he needs to develop more. But he's

even he's impacting the quarterback. I understand your point completely because you are you are right about in terms of touching the football and impacting the game, and um, I just I think we can and I'm I love draft picks, but the chance to go get a difference maker like that, I will say, if the Cowboys pick up a couple of free age and defensive tackles and then do that deal and you've got Chase Young and DeMarcus Lawrence on the same line, you're gonna win a lot of football games, Yes,

you are. That that will impact out that secondary issue too. You're also not going to have a lot of draft picks to replenish the middle of your roster, which exactly, I mean that's the other day. It's a risk. There's no question this is a top heavy team. Yeah, just it just is. To their top eight players are about as good as anybody in the league could ask to be and then their other forty five are you know,

they have their moments and they can be. You know they they were, they looked really good the year before in twenty nineteen. The middle of your roster didn't step up. And that's a big part of the reason why they were a five hundred team. So Akuda, no Chase Young, it's a big fat maybe it's a it's a no regardless for me. For me because I need the picks. Joe Burrow falls to three, I can't sign Dak go.

I mean yes or no? If you get hit nuts, Dave, what do you what do you want me to say that I don't put Joe Burrow on the like and that's Joe Burrow on this team would be great, but at what cost? Yeah, and a cost. You're just gonna let Dak Prescott walk away for nothing because like the people who think you're trading and trade them for pick three, Fortune favors the bold. I mean that's my line. I'm actually the one that says that I'm trying to get picks. Guys.

All right, you know what, I'll take picks. I'll take the LSU guy, I know you hate him, I'll take them we'll do we'll do it. Let's let's sell the farm. Yes, everybody all in for for Joe Burrow. I'm I'm sold. I'm trading back. I'm trading back from seventeen. I can't trade back from seventeen and still get Calevan Jason can. I probably not. I'm not realistic. It's probably not happen. I'm trading back from seventeen, getting a corners and picking three or two, you know, two or three times on No,

three times on day three, day two, extra second. Yeah, that's so fun. That's how you fix the roster. I'll take Burrow. Yeah, okay, I'll take Burrow. Well, we started the week year, so this second one. Don't do this saying let's get nuts, let's get wild. Let's start looking at how things could really shape out. At somebody who loves at somebody who loves the draft. I would love to see that happen. I mean, not somebody, I mean Burrow.

Burrow's not gonna fall to three, but I mean, but you know, the thought, just as a thought exercise, like to uh, how he would wind up on the Cowboys and what it would look like. It's fast, nat yeah, but so unrealistic. It's my job to work in reality. Thank you. Yeah, and so I just I just don't see it. That's how it goes. But it's okay. Well, one thing that's unrealistic is how good Dane Brugler is it as John, And thank you so much for joining.

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