Draft Show: Leasing or Buying?

when it really starts heating up. It's already been heated up. But how about the intensity and the feel right now for all these scouts in these front offices, because it's starting to feel real. You're within two months of draft day and things are really starting to kind of pan out. Yeah, it is, And guys, thanks for having me back. I've never hated technology more than I did last week. Yeah, I mean technology for an old, crusty guy is not good.

I don't recommend it for anybody. I do recommend like how to get tied use those tied pins. If you got some of that Saint Elmo's cocktail sauce on your shirt. You know we missed that this week too, But yeah, we're getting close. I mean when you said the number and now you start to think about okay, setting boards, pro days, all those things are kind of starting to ramp up here. It's a really it's a great time to be in the scouting world. And Bucky, I mean,

like Brian just said, no combine, no saying Elmo sauce. Unfortunately, like we normally like to try and treat ourselves to in Indianapolis, but whenever it gets around this time, you usually have the combine in your notes already, but there's still so much more of the information gathering that's still yet to be done. Yeah, it's a challenge that I can't even imagine trying to navigate if you're a scalt

because you don't have to combine. So what you don't have is a level playing field when it comes to being able to separate all the measurables, Like, yes, we can do the height, weight, hand size, arm length in those things, but the forty times are all different because they run on different surfaces at different locations with different timers. You're not able to necessarily look at prospect A and Prospect B back to back when they're going through the

same positional drills. And so you talk about beauty being in the eye of the beholder this year more than any other year, Like everyone will see these prospects differently

and it could make for a very interesting draft. How do you feel like that relates specifically to the front office of the Cowboys, Dave, Because I feel like whenever it comes to the different surfaces and the informational gathering, you don't necessarily have that, Like Bucky said that even playing surface, but the Cowboys have their own thought processes whenever it comes to the evening playing surface of the

bigger schools and the smaller schools. Continue on, Dave, Yeah, I think we are having some I think we are having some technical difficulties. So Dave ye brought us Yeah, go for it. Yeah, I mean my experience working with the front office, and I really like what Bucky's talking about. I like what Dave's talking about too, because what happens is, man, these scouts, a lot of them have been a home all year. I mean they're watching film and all that.

We're gonna start getting some pro days we're gonna see the scouting community once again get out and being about and I think this is really the combine. To me was always about the medical stuff and the interview stuff, and so you know, I was I was super happy to have all that information. But man, going out and getting your own hand times, you know, working with somebody from the Carolina Panthers or the Arizona Cardinals and kind of you know, making sure you had all the information

for your team, that was really exciting to me. And I can imagine there's a lot of scouts right now that are they're happy that they got some timing dates and they're happy that they hey, whether it's zoom meetings or whatever, you know, they're happy to be able to talk about players and stuff with their colleagues and then put together boards. Yeah, it's a great challenge, but as we've talked about on this show, a ton scouts are very resilient. They figure out ways to operate and make

it all work. And Bucky's right, the beauty in the eye of the beholder never more so true than what we're about to experience. It's here coming up this spring, you know, Brian, I think what is important coming off of that is the new craze where you're having the sports facilities have their own combine. Last weekend, we have exos have a bunch of their players and prospects go through their own personal pro day. We're gonna have some

of these others pop up around the country. And I don't know how that information is going to get into the hands of evaluators, but we can believe that the videos and the times and those things will get there because scals are already getting these videos from trainers and the like showing the progress of some of these players that we didn't even see in twenty twenty. Yeah, I think what's really important, guys and Bucky, you brought up

the exos and stuff facilities in Florida, California, Texas. You know there's other ones around the country. Michael Johnson has them. There's all these What you're gonna need have to happen is there's gonna be some have to be some guys, whether you trust a guy like me, a Mark Dominic, somebody out there, other scouts that are no longer, maybe

some scouts are in the media world. And are you know Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky yourself, maybe you go to a facility and these people hire you on to run drills. Be a timer. You know, if I'm sitting in a room, an NFL draft room, and someone says, Bucky Brooks got this time for me, I'm gonna believe Bucky Brooks time. I'm gonna take that as gospel because I know that

Bucky Brooks mark dominant. Brian Broadus, Guys like that are going to have attention to detail to make sure it's done the right way, because you know how important it is to have the right hightweight speed going in and putting those up on those tags up on those boards. Brian, you've been with this Cowboy's front office and you've you've seen kind of the cohesiveness that they have as a

scouting department. Do you feel like they're in a good position for a draft like this specifically, because I mean, like you said, you need to have kind of that communication, You need to have that trust, You need to have that network that allows you to be confident, especially whenever you have a crazy year with so many variables like we do this year. Yeah, man, Bucky will tell you how important relationships are at schools. You know, I kind of laugh about Yeah, you don't always want to talk

to the football operations guy. You want to talk to the guy who is the trainer. You want to talk to the strength guy. You want to talk to the equipment man. You know, those are the things that we're going to lose here. But hopefully you could go back and call those guys and gals and visit with them and kind of get that background information that you need. Yet, the Cowboys have a veteran group of scouts. Some organizations

don't have that. Some of these organizations have new general managers, so it's going to take a little bit of a time for them to adjust. I have a feeling you're going to see some of these new general managers take what information they get and then make their own decisions. It might not be a group thing, whereas the Cowboys, it will be a group team because you have a

veteran group that's worked with each other. That makes me feel a little bit better, especially with some of the big time decisions coming up with the Cowboys this offseason. And Brian, you've said it previously. I know Dave has mentioned it before, but that March night deadline for Dak Prescott is coming up pretty quickly here over the next eight days. I mean, we're just over a week away from that tag deadline. Is it's time for this front

office to start looking at a quarterback, Dave? I mean, is this where you start kind of peeking out and seeing what might be available or what you would have to do to find a Dak replacement at that potentially false Just so I have this right, while I have difficulties with technical difficulties, you throw a bunch of softballs to these guys, and then when I get back, just in time for you to have me fire the quarterback. Is that yeah, pretty much doing Yeah, hey they did.

They did enough filling while you were gone. So now now it's your well Kyle, Hey, Kyle, Kyle, I are you a steak dinner man? Thanks for giving. I mean that the easing off the webcraw. The easy answer to that question is like the I mean, the Cowboys should be doing that anyway, like you should. I mean, no good, no good. NFL front office shouldn't even if, like even if all logic says that you don't need it or it's not important. That's just not how this process is

supposed to work. You're supposed to turn over every stone, look at every possible player. So I'm confident the Cowboys are doing their due diligence. If you remember last year, they made a lot of waves this time last year by interviewing Jalen Hurts, and that was, you know, back when it looked even we were even more sure than that Dak was going to get a long term deal than we probably are right now, and they were still looking at quarterbacks. So I think they're doing their due diligence.

Me personally, if I'm if I'm Jerry and Stephen Jones, I don't feel like I need to seriously have those conversations until it gets a little bit closer. Certainly once the tag deadline passes, once you get into draft month, you know, April, when you're doing these visits with these players. But yeah, if the tag deadline passes without a deal, I would probably you know, I keep calling them thirty visits.

Obviously they're not going to actually get to have visitors, but these zoom calls that they do, I'd probably throw a couple quarterbacks on that list if I were them and Dak doesn't have a deal by the time all that starts, right, Yeah, you know what, every day that passes by that you know, you talked about the deadline meet. Personally, I believe I've come to the realization now that Dak is going to play on the tag, and I don't think the Cowboys are going to address the quarterback situation

until twenty two months. So I think what's gonna I think what's gonna happen is we're in an unusual situation in NFL now where Hall of Fame quarterbacks are being talked about being able to trade for. You know, when Bucky and I first started doing this, you would never give up on your quarterback. You just wouldn't do it.

I mean, I remember, I'd still have a job. If the early two thousand Cowboys didn't have to evaluate baseball players for quarterbacks, I would have called John Snyder and said, hey, listen, John, you don't like Russell Wilson. What do you want for him? Oh? Hey, well, you know, Houston, what do you want for your guy? This is unprecedented times right now, and I do feel like the Cowboys have so many things going on with their roster play with Dak on the tag, figure things

out in twenty twenty two. You've got to address you can't let this quarterback position hold you hostage where you're like, I'm having to move up, I'm having to go get this, I'm having to go do that. You need to try and fix your team right now while you're in that tin hole and take all those picks, and then in twenty twenty two, worry about the situation in you can tag him again, you can try and compete in sign

him with somebody else. But I just don't think you let it hold you hostage right now with the situation, I've changed my attitude about that this team needs a lot of repair and thinking about quarterback at ten, I don't think repair. How are you going to tag him next year? Well, here, really, here's a coup of things that we have to here's the couple of things that we have to think about. The TV deals are on the horizon. When the TV money comes in, it's going

to change the composition of the salary cap. Maybe not in twenty twenty two, but maybe in twenty twenty three. And I think there's a shift in the way that

we're viewing the quarterback. I think the way we're viewing the quarterback is more like college teams view their quarterbacks like, look, we may have a five star recruit and we love him and all these things, but they command so much money at the position that if you don't feel like the guy that you have is really a top five player, I think you're always looking for that because in the mind of the evaluators, you're competing against the Kansid, the

Chiefs and Pat Mahomes. Pat Mahomes is kind of like the image of cam My quarterback in a shootout beat Pat Mahomes. And if you don't feel confident that you have a guy that can do that, I think you're always searching for the guy that can give you a chance to win that shootout versus him. So you don't I mean, guys, I flipped on this. I do five hours or radio a day and we talk about it every single day, and I flipped on, Oh, you gotta

get it done. Oh you gotta get a quarterback, Oh you got to And then I start to think, I've never been in a situation like we are today with these quarterbacks and the way that people talk about it. Marcus Mariota, Uh, you know, Jameis Winston, guys that were taking very high Look what just happened with the Rams. Look what just happened with Philadelphia. People are eating huge amounts of cap just to move on from a quarterback. You know there's availability. When Russell Wilson says, hey, Dallas

is a team I'd like to go play for. What my quarterback's not signed? Oh oh, you know that kind of thing. So you know, this is a different landscape we play in. Right now, Let's just let's be let's let's be let's be very clear. Let's let's be real clear. Does he want to sign with you? That's a question you have to ask you Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson getting traded. It's a different animal than Carson Wentz or Jared Goff. Carson Wentz sucks. Jared Goff kind of sucks

like he's you don't know, Johnny. I'm just saying, let's let's see him do it. Let's see him actually trade one of the three best quarterbacks in the league. Because that's a different animal than trading guys that you were at signing. Because that ain't fact. The fact that people are even talking about it should take it tells me Russell Wilson wants the Seahawks to draft him an offensive line and he's trying to scare him into doing it. That's what it tells me. Well, that's that's that's a

different thing. But there's there's where there's smoke, there's fire. And I think what's happening is you have two different things that play. You have this quarterback environment movement where quarterbacks are trying to flex and have more say, and I think you have a pushback because we have always basically treated the quarterback position by pinning those guys in

bubble rap. We never talked about him, we didn't criticize, and we never brought in players to compete with them because the quarterbacks were too fragile and they would fall apart. And I think now what you're seeing their disposable commodities. And people are saying, if if you're going to command all of this money and your performance isn't up to part, we will move off from you, or we're not going to set up for mediocrity. We'll go looking for the

next one. And so it's a changing thing because we've always talked about the quarterback in terms of a fifteen year player at the position for your team, and I don't think teams are looking at that. It's a five year playing to get the quarterback up and running and if he's not playing, get a super bull level we're looking for. All I know is Jason Light, Jason Light, and Tampa saved his job by going to get a

Hall of Fame quarterback. He didn't have one though, Like he went, he went, but he didn't have a good one already in town. He needed a quarterback and that's he had the first He had the first overall. Say he had had a high school custry learner in a first overall pick there though, Yeah, yeah, I mean I didn't work out. It's kind of like what Buck he's saying. I think it's exactly what Bucky just talked about. It's that five year plan and if year quarterback doesn't work out,

then you move on. But that's what's confusing about the Cowboys situations because he was a low capital draft pick in the fourth round and it's not like he hasn't worked out. It's just hasn't been elite. I guess you could say, but he's been borderline elite. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I think what happened the Cowboys misplayed it. I won't say Dak hasn't played it. I had enough

level to get the money. But when the Cowboys kept refusing to give him, Jimmy Garoppolo money and Derek car money because it appeared to be oh my god, that's too much, or Jared Goff and Carson Wentz money. Oh that's too much. Hey, the quarterback prices never go down, they only go up. And so what you have to do is you have to bite the bullet and listen to the Twitter verse come at you for paying the

guys so much. But in three hut into sixty five days, that contract that was once number one margin is now the fourth or fifth contract at the position, and you just have to understand that's what it is. And I completely agree with that, Bucky, and that's what I always say it. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo is nowhere close to the top of the market and it's only been like two years since he said it, And that's what I've said.

But the thing is, I feel like people lose sight of that because we're in this holding pattern because of COVID. But to your point, the CAP's going to explode in the next year or two anyway, when these deals, when these deals start coming in, it's going to be back to business as usual. And even at forty million, as ridiculous as that will be a bargain, there's gonna be a bara. I believe what I'm hearing from Fleecevest over here.

The guy, the guy that, the guy that taught me that the draft is about four and five years is like, screw it will go year to year. Let's just run this. Let's just run this thing. Like do you think the Cowboys? Do you think the Cowboys are realistically? I'm obviously anything can happen. Crazy stuff happens in this league all the time. But like, yes, Dave, I do think what am I about to say? You were about to ask me if

they're really willing to walk? No, I'm about to ask you if they are really a legitimate Super Bowl contender. In twenty twenty, lost track of the year. Tampa Bay was seven and five. At one point they got on a run. They got on a run that there they started playing great on That was eight. That was a really good roster that added a whole bunch of talent. They were seven and five and got beat by Kansas City. They were kind of like, well, is this really the

path we want to go? Is? You know? Come on, man, I'm just telling you it is you. It is a new world out there, and that's why Brian's trying to get to the lake to boil crawfish every weekend, because it doesn't compute to the old man brain. You know, I understand. I didn't. I don't like it, but you know what, that's the way the game is. So you're and I'm I'm out of it. I'm not. You are comfortable if you are comfortable tagging Dak. I'm cooking. I'm

comfortable cooking crawl be both tag Dak. I'm not really, I'm not really. Come on, but they don't. They don't really, they don't do anything depressing. We can talk about that out there. But you're so, I mean, yes, Bran, I know, I know the rules say that you can tag Dak next year, but it's it's almost impossible from a true financial standpoint, Like you gotta pay him like one hundred and forty percent of the salary he's already making. Yeah, So so he goes up. It goes up to fit

four million dollars over three year payout. It would be a one hundred and twenty two million. But here, here's what the league is going to David, and I think Brian and I like it's been tough for us because, like we always thought about it, in three and five year increments, right, you want to build your team up to the point in three to five years. We're in the mix. We have like a couple of year run or whatever, and what the general managers are doing today

it is about this year and this year only. I'll push off the cap and I'll deal with the cabin next year and I'll rebuild the team. And there's a fantasy football element to building the team. Even when we look at the Kanna City Chiefs and only bring them

up is because they signed Patrick Mahomes. They put Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill and their main guys on deals at all expire at the same time, and it's like a two or three year window out from now, and I think teams are looking at that like, hey man, I can't worry about what I'm doing in five years. I need to make sure that I have my job.

And the only way I can keep my job is to make sure that the product that I put out this year as a winning product, and we look like we're close enough to go and next year, I'll do it next year and next year. That's the only way you can do it. And so it makes it where in the draft I need right now prospects. I don't need projects. I need guys that I can put in the lineup right away. I don't have time to develop

and the rest of the roster. I need to put it around the quarterback and figure out how we can get it going to win right now. I never thought a guy from North Carolina could be that smart, you know, with the way I'm just but he need it without seriously. He captured he captured all the veteran scouts feelings right now it is it's it's not about it's about really, it's about preserving your job, because what happens is you're willing to move on, you move on, you move on.

Howard Rossman in Philadelphia, he saved his job. The guy saved his job. But what does he have to do now He has to continue to try and save his job. If he does it, and he trades away things again, and it's cap Hell's situation. It's somebody else's problem. That's not my problem. How we will go get an assistance job somewhere or who'll go be something somewhere else, but it'll be somebody else's problems. People don't have time anymore. The luxury of waiting on a roster to develop it

no longer happened. Dave called her with the Jacksonville jat Marsh. He fixed the cap, get all the picks, all the money. Guess what, somebody else is gonna pick this and build this team with all things. Thank you for you, Dave. Yeah, Dave tried like hell. Dave knew, he tried like hell to go up in the draft to get that quarterback from Oregon that the Charger's got. He knew he is only chance, his only chance of keeping his job was going to get that guy. And he couldn't get there.

What happened, lost his job. You know that. That's that's reality in this day at age. I can't stand y'all. I'm i'm, i'm i and the other thing. Also, like the Cowboys, there's a show on Thursday. You can do, Dave,

if you want. The Cowboys don't even need to build their roster like this is a roster that can compete right now if you have a quarterback, by the way, if you have, and that's defense, that's why you would preferably use all those draft picks on fixing that and keeping your very good quarterback here to keep your team afloat. We're saying it, yeah, and then we'll figuring out next year. That's exactly. That's that's exactly. We're in the leasing, not buying.

We just want to lease the car. Do you want to buy it. We'll just check it out and if we like the model again, we'll sign up for it again. If not, we'll move off. This is interesting. We need to sign a leasing company on I sure they probably sponsorship listening to this. If you can figure it out, let's get in contact, let's figure something out. But yeah, no, I mean that's kind of the debate that's been going on, Dave. I mean, you've been a part of the ship. I no, no,

I know that's the debate. I just thought my guys were with me and they're not like that you just saw. But with you. I love I love the player, but at some point we have to pay. You got to do his best for the franchise, right, Yeah, it's business is business on both sides. And yeah, he's he's got to want to sign though, too. He's got to want to sign. He looks in the distance and he sees free agency. You gotta he's got to want to sign. It's just just just for the record. Like it again,

what do I want to sign? Dac? Of course I've made that very clear. But we all But here's the thing. If you're not, if you don't want to, that's great. Move on. Invest in the future of the position, is my point. Like the thought, the thought of saying we'll just get to next year and figure it out is terrifying. Who not like oh no, no, no, like, like, come on, man it lands, Dave, you could just landscape what Aaron Rodgers they were talking about Aaron Rodgers being available? Come on?

Talking about and doing it are two different things. A good quarterback, a truly great quarterback, has yet to get traded. Tell me I'm wrong. Uh no, no, not a very disappointing number one overall pick. Another very disappointing number one overall pick, and a number two overall pick was the worst starting quarterback in the league last year. Like, that's who's gotten traded so far? When Russ or Rogers or Deshaun Watson gets traded, come find me. But teams don't

let go of those guys. It's a possibility though it's of those I would keep an eye on number three. Run. Hey, I think that, I think that, I think that thing with Russ is real because what you have is a philosophical, philosophical difference in how to win games from the coach, and the money just doesn't work with that. It's just a quarterback get on either side. They would have to eat forty million dollars worth of cap. I mean, it

would just not work out well. Now, I keep thinking back whenever we have these conversations, whenever Dak Prescott's not here in twenty twenty two, or like BET's assuming that, I keep thinking of Chad Hutchinson, Quincy Carter, Anthony Dad. I just say it was the Quincy Carter, Chad Hudsinson, Drew. That's what Fleet, That's what wants Drew. But that's what Byan wants to do. Yon wants to go back to

that one. I know those quarterbacks. Quarterbacks were not available. Sure, we're gonna take in Tom Brady in the fifth round, and I'd still be a scouting probably, you know, I mean, that's that's reality. That's reality. They got Dak Prescott in the fourth round. It can happen. It's a different it can happen. It's a different it's a different it's a different time now, like you get quarterback. I mean, like,

let's think about this, you lsu go Tigers guys. Joe Burrow came from the Crip to be the number one overall pick, and so Matt Jones is going to experience a similar magic carpet ride. He won't be number one overall, but he's going to be drafted much I think any of us would have expected prior to this season. And so next year in twenty twenty two, there's gonna be some other quarterback that shows up and we can be like, hey, this guy's one of the best quarterback prospects that we've seen.

That's what we do. So you're worried about what's behind door number two, Dave, there's gonna be a quarterback behind door number two. Let's make a deal and the Cowboys will be picking somewhere between fifteen and twenty four, and they won't have a shot at they won't have a shot out. You think it just gonna ends, they're gonna be picking thirty two guys. We're gonna we're gonna figure it out. Yeah, if they're picking, if they're picking too high,

then they'll keep the quarterback. If they're picking like down at the bottom, they'll keep the quarterback. If we all have this completely, all start over my deck. It's ten thirty in the morning. Ruined my entire day. Thank you. Well, let's ruin it a little bit more when we come back here on the Draft Show. Twitter on the twenty. If Dat's not signed, which quarterback could fit the Cowboys system the most? We're gonna really get on Dave's nerves

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segment number two here the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Yes, David Hellman is still sitting in his chair, thank goodness. He did not get up and leave and thought about it, end up pushing his responsibilities to Thursday, and he is still a part of it even though he did think about it. But time now to get into one of our favorite segments and some Twitter on the twenty. Twitter on the twenty as always from Chris Beam in the back,

and the first question comes from Tony Baker. He said, if the draft rolls around and Dak Prescott is not signed, which quarterback would best fit the Cowboys system? Mister David Helman, I'll push this toward you, and he said, should Dallas trade up in this scenario? Okay? And I love this question because, again, if you're not going to sign Dak Prescott. I looked this up. The Cowboys have only picked in the top ten nine times and Jerry Jones it doesn't

happen all that often. Like obviously we all know they haven't reached the mountaintop. But they're usually not bad enough to be this high in the draft. That's what makes this a unique opportunity. Trevor Lawrence is out of the question, and honestly, maybe I'm buying too much into the hype, but I tend to think Zach Wilson's probably out of the question at this point as well, And that leaves you with the choice of Justin Fields or Trey Lance.

And honestly, again, like, am I confident that either one of them is going to be a star in the NFL? Not necessarily, but I'm happy to take that risk to make sure I have a quarterback because despite what Brian and Bucky think, I just don't think you can find those guys every single offseason in the NFL. I don't think good ones are made available very often. I will

readjust my expectations if I'm proven wrong. But if you tell me that next year's you know, if I could package some of my picks this year to get up like to say seven or eight, that's great or even you know, like if in Atlanta, let's say Justin Fields is sitting there at for Atlanta decides they don't want to draft a quarterback in the future, they want to give Matt Ryan a few more years. I'd give up next year's one to go up there and get Justin Field.

Tell you I would, why the hell not? And so yeah, like that's the type of stuff that I would consider if Dak Prescott is not under contract for sure, Bucky, Yeah, I think Justin Fields would be to play. I think he would be the move just because one, he's talented, and I think there's some similarities in his game in Dak Prescott's game. I think he's a more explosive athlete in college than Dak Prescott was, even though Dak was really really good in terms of what he did in

the SEC. And I just think, depending upon how you want to build this offense, I think he could give you a lot of the new school stuff that you want, and so I would go for him. Trey Lance, to me, is very, very talented, but I think it's a different conversation if he comes to the building just because of his lack of overall experience. When you only have seventeen starts, it's really hard to understand what you're going to get. And I think you can say the same thing for

Mac Jones because he only has seventeen starts as well. Yeah, I think though you have to think about the thing that I saw with Trey Lances. He's got some Dak Prescott like trades though, big guy physical runs over people. The more you let him play in the game, the better he tends to play. Ball really comes off his hands. You know, probably a kid that practiced, you know, lived in cold weather or something not that he you know,

has to. But you always want a quarterback in paths at least that experience because you do play in the the NFC East, where you play outdoors at Washington in Philadelphia, New York. You know those are You don't want those things to be shocks to your body. I'll throw a name out there, though it doesn't have to be a first round guy. And I studied this kid and I

really like his game. Davis Mills from Stanford is a quarterback that's there's a lot to like about his game in my opinion, as far as the ability the touch he takes shots down the field, he could be accurate. He's got enough escapability. He's a smart kid, he's a

good ball handler, looks like he protects the football. There were a lot of things I really liked about his game, and I think the more you dig in to some of these second, third, fourth round guys, yeah, it's a little bit more of a risk than taking a guy trade up situation. But I think we also we are all focusing on that guy, the Trey Lance the Fields.

I totally agree with you guys about those players, but I think you need to also kind of take a look at those other guys down and again, Davis Mills from Stanford was a kid that I really took a liking to. He was a bit of a dark horse in this class. Whenever he came to the quarterbacks, it was really those top guys and then the guys who were at the Senior Bowl, and then Davis Mills was kind of about a nowhere. Hey, hello, here he is. And I watched all the quarterbacks again this week, and

he throws a really nice ball. I love the way he connects with his receivers. He gives them an opportunity for yards after the catch, and he's got that flick of the ris uh and some solid arm strength as well. And plus and you guys were talking about justin fields. We're going through our draft magazine and our rankings and things I have. Justin Fields is my number two quarterback above Zach Wilson. Call me crazy. I don't feel I'm not bought in on the one year wonder just yet

of Zach Wilson. I think you be a solid quarter but I think Justin Fields is just a better prospect overall. Yeah, you're not You're not crazy. I mean, let's let's be honest about Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson was a three star recruit in high school. Zach Wilson did some things in flash, but he had a social year. In fact, he was competing for his job heading into this season, and so I don't think he is what he's being made out to be. I think he is a very talented player.

But I think whatever holes you want to poke in Justin Fields this game, you can poke similar holes or different holes in Zach Wilson's game. And so I think all these those two guys are in the same clus. It's just a matter of one is probably a little more conventional in terms of how he plays. Zach Wilson is like a ready a player, but sizewise, he's only two and ten two hundred and fifteen pounds. Compared to Justin Fields two twenty five to thirty, a thicker, denser athlete.

I think at some point you have to have those conversations about him. No, by the way, he wasn't a captain before his team. It may not mean a lot to some people, but it's still means a lot to me that he wasn't the captain of his team, even though he may have served them leave. I'm a big Wilson fan, but people are just hoping and banking that he is another Mahomes because he can do that. He

can do that freaky stuff. He can make the off schedule throws and throw at sixty yards off his back foot, all that stuff, and that's that's all it is in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, the only thing. Yeah, the thing I think you have to caution us when we compare these quarterbacks, Like I do believe level of competition and

who you play matters. Like the only big game that by you played was close to Carolina, and in that game he has some flashes, but he didn't have it and it was the first time that he really got touched up as we like to say, like he got hit in the Coastal Carolina game. And he didn't play the same way that he played against all those other teams. I think it's an Apples to Orange comparison because we never get to see the gas pay against the same slate.

But I think he is a little overvalue just in terms of what he's bringing to the table and how he's been pushed up the boards to the number two spot. And it's like, without question, he's certainly a walking highlight reel and he's gonna be picked up and somebody's gonna take a chance on him early. But I just have justin fields before him, because of the experience, because of the trades, because of the consistency that he did it with, maybe a little bit better than what Zach Wilson had.

All Right, this next question I really like, and this comes from Christian. He says, if we don't go cornerback talking about the Cowboys in the first and instead double dipping corner in the next couple of rounds, are there two cornerbacks that you guys would like to see in rounds two, three, and four. It kind of like how we did in twenty seventeen with Cheetoowoozier and Jordan Lewis and even last year with Trayvon Diggs and Reggie Robinson.

Are there guys in that day two, Day three mix that intrigue you at corner Bucket, I'm really hung up on like these bloodline kids, legacy kids. Elijah Molden to me is someone that's really really interesting, but he's interesting in a role. I think he's the best nickel corner in the draft. I think his experience in the way that he plays fits the way that dan Quinn wants

to play. He's tough, he's athletic. He does a great job of playing in that slot position because I think you have to have a resume of playing in there to know if someone can do it well. He has that, and so his experience and expertise in that role. He is someone that would be very, very intriguing for me because when you think about being in nickel situations, about

seventy percent of a time that nickel corner is a starter. Well, I want to make sure that I draft a starter at that position, provided that you're able to find someone on the other side of the Trayvon Digs or you bring one of the guys back to continue to play. Yeah, I'm interested to see what's going to happen? Excuse me? With the Clemson kid, you know, now he is he was supposed to return and now he is you know been,

Oh he's out. Yeah, Kendrick, you know Kendrick is. And so I wonder what his situation is going to be because I remember evaluating him. That's a talented guy right there. So there's another guy you add to the mix. But I'm also and you talk about those kind of those second round guys to me. Melopom Wu from Syracuse, I mean sixty three, two hundred and fifteen pounds. I mean, there is a lot to like about his gay Bucky mentioned Molden. I mean, I absolutely love him. I have

him in the same range. Greg Newsome from Northwestern. I mean, there these are some kids that if you get to forty four, and you know, my hope, if you're gonna double on this thing, don't double like, don't make it a thing like, oh, we're gonna take two corners and take one in the first and then take one in

the fifth. If you're gonna do it, big, bang it, bang it, you know, do both of them, go at ten and go at forty four, And you know that's the way, you fix the position right there, because when you look at your board when we get to forty four, those quarterbacks are gonna be just like blinking lights, like take me, take me, take me, you know that kind of thing. And seriously, it's like we're gonna get in

the draft. If Bucky's gonna be doing TV and we're gonna be doing this or whatever, and if Bucky's gonna say, Bucky, who's your best player, best available player, He's gonna start talking about these quarters. So make sure you kind of grab those guys early. But it does stretch, but man, the quality of them needs to be addressed early. Yeah, that's I'll just add. I mean, I think y'all covered it beautifully. Ill. I mean, I feel like we haven't

mentioned the Stanford guy Pauls and Nadevo. That's another name that I would consider like. And then I'm in love with the idea of getting good value at pick forty four. I think I've brought this up before, but if somebody like Tyson Campbell were to fall to me in the second brown, I'm I'm ecstatic about a pick like that. But my thing is, if you're double dipping on cornerback man I hope you did some work in free agency because even even when they double dipped with Cheeto and Jordan,

they had veterans here. I'm not saying they were great, but you had Anthony Brown, you had Orlando Scandrick, you had Nolan Carroll. They even traded for ben abin Wickery that year just to cover themselves. Right now, you got Anthony Brown, and I guess you got Reggie Robinson, who they moved to safety. Like that's really it in terms of Jesus. Yeah, Trayvon Diggs, of course, thank you. Point being, you just don't. You don't have the same level of bodies.

So like, if you want to bring back Cheeto or Jordan, more power to you. Or if you want to go get somebody else, but help dipping, because you need both of those guys to contribute early because history suggests that they don't. Well. No, But but then again, Dave, we're drafting at ten. If you're talking first, if you're talking first and second round, absolutely, Trayvon was picked fifty one. But I'm saying, you know, even Jordan Lewis, it took him a long time to get his feet wet. Again.

We were all sky high about Reggie Robinson drafted in the fourth round. The guy played like one defensive snap all seasons. So the later you get and especially what cornerback, for my money, is the hardest position in football other than maybe quarterback. So the further you go from the first round, the less good I feel about it. Like you're you know, pick ten and pick forty four are probably the only spots where I would expect that guy

to be a regular starter right away. I'd be okay with a corner at forty four because there are guys like that. I mean, Brian went through a bunch of names like Newsome, and even if one of these other guys and Samuel Samuel, yeah, like a stove Cable is a guy. I don't know if anybody likes Lenore from Oregon. I mean, that's a shorter guy, that's a competitive sum a gun. There's there's pockets of these quarterbacks that like it's like pockets of wide receivers. You know, you feel good,

I mean you do you feel good? Like, oh, second round, third round. You look at your board when you put it up, and you're going, man, there are a lot of good players are in that third round, you know, and you know, guys who might even get picked in the second round, you know, from that from those spots. I think the only way I would feel more comfortable about a pick a corner at forty four is if

they go offensive tackle at ten. If they wanted to try and show up the offensive tackle at ten, Yeah, I'd be okay there because there are starting corners at forty four. Are there starting starting caliber offensive tackles at forty four and in the in the third round? Probably not? Do you think about Eikenberg from what do you think about the Notre Dame Notre Dame, What do you think about Leatherwood? I mean, those are all guys I kind of feel like might fall out of that that first round,

early second round type of guy. Uh, maybe I'm too low on Jenkins, you know, I kind of see there's a pocket of guys there for that. If if that's the round I think, I think. I think if you're the Cowboys and if you're thinking about offensive tackle, if it's a consideration, which it should be, go and get one of the best ones. Like no, that's around because because you're talking about like I agree, agree, you're talking yeah, long term long term investment behind Tyron Smith whatever, like,

go ahead and get go ahead and get one. Get a dude, spend the capital to get one. So you can feel good about that offense. Because, let's be honest, we can talk about fixing the defense. Fixing the defense is a multi year project. The best thing that the Cowboys can do to fix their defense is to make sure that their offense can put it thirty burgers up on everybody and make people chase points and do those things.

And so sometimes you build strength on strength. Make sure that the offense is ready to go and they can put up points each and every week, and then it's a lot easier to rush the pass or do those things when they're obvious passing situations. I love it, Bucky. Bucky's a part of forty team forty Burger Dave, how about matter? It doesn't that make you feel better from after that first moment? No, because Bucky just said you need a quarterback. But he's like, well, yeah, you need

a great quarterback. So that's probably what we should do. But let's you got one. You got one for one year, got one year? Then were my mind today? That's oh this it's fine. He's Kawhi Leonard rats. He's Kawhi Leonard. We're just trying to win the ship this year. Then we get figured it out afterwards, and look what the scout cornerbacks on the Draft show next year. Yeah, yeah, can figure out how to do the salary cap. We'll figure it out. Got a really fun question, and I

know we're cutting into pet cat time. We may only hit a couple pet cats, but we'll do it again next week as well. But this comes from Red and I like this question a lot. He said, what's your favorite same school tandem that you would like to see a team take? And he said, for instance, his vote was Northwestern with Rashon s Later Greg Newsome offensive tackle, cornerback.

We just talked about those two guys in their their position groups, but is there a same school tan them that you guys can see the Cowboys potentially looking at throughout the quick Oh just just just for us. Oh okay, all right, I'll tell you what I've loved. And this is selfish. This is completely selfish. This is completely selfish. I love I love Kama from Notre Dame. I love Notre Dame. And I mentioned the tackle and I think the tackle is going to be a really really good

one too. That's a really kind of a cool combination. It's a linebacker that I think it's gonna play safety. You know, But if you just talk about football players, I ain't Notre Dame has done a really good job of putting some guys out. I know everybody right now there's losing their mind about Jalen Smith or whatever. But this team, that their offensive lineman that they put out, they've done a great job. This linebacker looks like to me linebacker safety is you could do a lot with him.

I do like the combination of those two guys right there. I think you can even I think you can even look at the combination. I hope I don't take somebody's here with If you talk about Barbore, answer Tan, I mean something, I mean, some somehow, some way that if you got back on the trade. I mean there's yeah, if you got back into back into that draft. But that's a that would be a pretty good fixable combination

right there for you. I mean, Alabama is going to be the easy answer, just because there's like a dozen of them. I mean, you know, if you give me Curtain and Barmore, how about Curtain and Leatherwood Lan. I don't love Dylan Moses. I mean I would maybe as long as it's like geez, as long as I don't know, I don't think I would draft him in the top one hundred, but yeah, sure either way. Um, how about okay,

how about Washington? If you told me I could get oh, if you told me I could get LEVI own Urine and uh and Elijah Weldon on this Yeah, at the same time. Absolutely, I'd be here for that. Yeah, there you go, there you go. Oh man, you took mine. I'm now scrambling to find another one. I was thinking maybe Richie Grant at UCF and then maybe taking one of his teammates. Yeah, yeah, I was thinking maybe those two guys, and that would sure up the backside of

your safety s excuse me, your secondary. So I mean there are plenty of tandems I think throughout the draft. I think that's a fun topic to think about because you don't normally see that, and we saw it last year. I mean, the Cowboys went with first round pick Ceedee Lamb and then Neville Gallimore in the third, So we saw a tandem of teammates coming to Dallas. And so it's not necessarily out of the question to see someone take a couple of guys from the same school, all right,

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three point two cars for twelve ounces. Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Final segment here of the Draft Show on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Glad you're with us, And of course, over the next couple of weeks, the Dallas Cowboys Star Draft magazine will be coming out, and then there is plenty of profiles, stories and contributions from everybody on this show. And then of course Bucky Brooks has got some pet cats that he's going to talk about at each of the positions, and we're gonna start

kind of going through through these. We only have ten minutes left on this show, but we can hit this from week to week as well. But we all have our pet cats. It's gotten to that point where the combine should be in the review mirror if there would have been a combine, And we are starting to put these boards together, so the pet cats are starting to kind of come to fruition. And Bucky, are there any specific guys that kind of stick out even out of your pet cats? The pet cats of the pet Cats

of the pet Cats. I think it's funny because I am now becoming a strong proponent of let's not draft any wide receivers in the first round, because it's been proven that we can find so many other guys outside of the first round that can play. Rashad Bateman is a guy that I think can be big time at the next level. When I look at him, just his hands, his ability due to dirty work outside the numbers, between

the hashes. He catches all the fifty fifty balls that you want to see, and then he has some run after catchability. When I look at the success that Michael Thomas and A. J. Brown have had in the league, I just think there's always a place on your team for a guy who has that kind of ability as a number one receiver. I'll tell you what, Bucky Man, it's the packer way right receiver in the first round. Right.

What do you mean? It's like I've come around at that realization and this is something it's ingrating you when you started scouting. Don't let me get away with that. No you don't think Bateman's a first round receiver? Oh no, No, I'm just busting a Bucky because he okay, I don't know, like when you when you list those guys, like when you see the top five's like he's not always included in that list, you like he's I think Bucky's got him right. I think Bucky's got him right. I really do.

I think he You watch him play, there's some nastiness to his game, you know, and I give me those. It's always funny because maybe this is something we learned to green Bay. Give me the cold weather, no sleeves, tough snow fly and that guy make it plays when conditions are bad. This kid is that way. He plays in nasty days and is super super productive. I think Bucky's got him right, I really do. I love the kid. Me perse ironic that you know, people say stuff like that.

And the guy that put green Bay on his back for the entire nineties is from southern Mississippi. But you know, yeah, he hated cold weather. He actually he told you what. Yeah, he said one time you each put vasiline on her face as stuffy after a game. He said he put vasili in places he never thought he would. Talking about Brett Farr for anybody that's lost anyway, I'm actually surprised. I thought. I thought I was going to be rocking the boat by bringing up wide receiver because obviously it's

not a huge need for this team. But you're sitting here thinking, you know, we're talking about what to do about Michael Gallup. You know, maybe you trade him, maybe you let him walk. So if you're a good drafting team, you solve your issues a year ahead of time. Guys, by the way, just like I said about quarterback, so a guy that I would love, and I know he's not going to be a first round pick, but a guy that I would love to see them draft in

the interest of protecting themselves. If Michael Gallup leaves. What do y'all think about Tyland Wallace? Yeah? Yeah, if you if you told me I could get that guy with a third round pick, I would be ecstatic. H I think he is an excellent jump ball guy. That's what Gallup is good at. Like he's gonna go up and get those fifty fifty balls. He plays bigger than his size in my opinion, he's awesome after the catch, like he breaks tackles all the time. Oklahoma State, of course,

they're you know, big twelve offense. They love to run those bubble screens to their receivers. I would. And he doesn't have to do anything as a rookie. I mean, if you get something from him, great, But he can just be on the team and develop, and you know, you plug him right in as a starter next year and let Gallup go for a cop pick. That's that's good team building right there. That that's something that would excite the hell out of me. Doesn't bother you, doesn't

bother you really quickly. Here with Wallace, the fact that he is a receiver that relies on the contact, that relies on pinpointing of football. But he's also under six foot Dave. That's I mean, that's why I said he played is bigger than his size, Like, yeah, he's he's not this big bodied dude. But I mean, you know, Michael Gallup, he did so in the Big twelve, though not in Yeah, I mean, go Gallup is kind of similar. Like I don't I think Gallop is bigger than Wallace,

but Gallup isn't this big, boxy wide receiver. So a lot of that, a lot of that's about mindset, in my opinion. So yeah, I mean, you know, I guess I wish he was bigger, but it doesn't concern me. I think when you're digging his background, the fact that he was a state champion or a state runner up in the triple jump, Yeah, almost a fifty foot jump. He can go take those things. So that speaks to

his explosiveness and some of that other stuff. And so when guys are sub six foot, you try and look and see what other things that have that that enlabels him to play above the rim. He could play bigger than his eyes. I think he's a good player, and I think coming off of the Aco, I think two years ago, next year, his rookie season, he will return to the forum that really made us kind of fall

in love with his talent when he was at Oklahoma State. Kyle, if I could get a real quick guy album, I think I pronounced this Alum McNeil from North Carolina State. I mean, this is a guy that plays a true nose position. He's literally breathing the same air as the center. He's that close to this guy's face, and so I think he looks bigger than three hundred and eighteen pounds when I've got listed at the first step quickness, the I mean he's nifty for his size. He's not gonna

let the grass die under his feet. He's always playing on the move. He's good with his hands. He's a powerful guy. He could push, he could rush. His sack numbers are not going to be huge, but man, I mean you talk about the push, not let you run the ball on him. Get to the outside, make those edge plays, take up blocks, help your linebacker. Alan McNeil from North Carolina State. Where's number twenty nine. It's so funny to see a guy that big wearing that number.

But he's a really good football player. My pet cat all the all the single digits were out. That's why he can get it. Like a big guy like that, he needs like a number eight, need to make stretch it, stretch it all the way out so you can see it right. He's the only or him and Marvin Wilson are the only two players in the entire interior defensive line class that were a number in the twenties. So

that's kind of interesting. But I love McNeil as well, and I just imagine him playing alongside Nevill Gallimore and Tristan Hill as the three techniques and having him as like a true nose tackle one technique. Oh my gosh, I would love that. And I think that's that would even have a chance to solve your run defense if you're the Cowboys, Now, where are you gonna get him? Forty four might be a little too high. I don't know, it may be a little too low. It just kind

of depends on it overall. But I like him. He's my number two defensive tackle behind Barmore. That was gonna be That was gonna be my question, Brian. You know I love to ask you where can I get him? And I have a hard time believe in the Cowboys are gonna draft a nose tackle in the top fifty, maybe in the third round though, if you tell me third round, oh no, I think I think. I think

things have switched over there a new chime. I do believe this is where coaches are going to be really aft because we saw, we saw what happened with Rod Mirnola in that crew. It'll be interesting what happens. And I'm not saying McNeil day three or anything like that. I think he's a Day two guy clearly. But what's gonna happen is what kind of influence the coaches have in rounds three, four, and five. That's where that's where

coaches get brought in. Hopefully the new regime has a better understanding of what they want in a player at that time. I think the scouts are gonna say, give us names, give us guys, give us who you like, and you're gonna have those discussions. I think the regime in the past would prohibit them from getting really good players because they just didn't see him as scheme fits. I think this group is totally different in that way.

Which position would you rather have that is that would be out of the ordinary for a top fifty pick at forty four? Would you rather have an interior defense Lindman or a safety? I mean out of this class? I will, you know, like we play Brian freaking out about lamb On at the top of the show every week, if Richie grants the pick at forty four, I will do that. I will freak the hell out. Oh they took So that's my that's my answer. I've been waiting for this team to invest in a safety since I

started working here. Yeah, I don't. I don't really understand the lack of love for safeties. I think it is one of the more important positions on defense. I don't stand why it's not prioritized. Going all the way back Brown Brothers, you guys put this stuff in our head that you can't take a safety high and all this other stuff. Oh Man, I'll tell you what that was Wolf. That wasn't me Man hey Man nineteen ninety two, I said,

Timpy Arizona, Dared Woodson. He was a linebacker running like four two something on that grass, beautiful grass by the way, at that stadium in Arizona. You can get those guys flying on that stuff. But yeah, safety is important, Bucky, you're blaming me for something that Ron Wolf did not love, throwing shots at Ron Wolf to conclude, love it. Yeah, what wouldn't wouldn't want in any other way here on the Draft show, especially thanks to everybody who tuned in.

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