Draft Show: Last Minute Draft Day Rumors

But until we're convening here, we're convening here, not going anywhere. We're not going anywhere because we've been with you all year and we're really excited about this. Excited to be working with my scouting buddies, Dane Burglar, David Hellman. A new addition to the draft show for this uh this weekend. UH. You've seen your fine work on all the platforms on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, on Dallas Cowboys Television, Lindsay Draper and Lindsay will be the host this evening for our

Fox Sports Southwest pre draft show. So this will be interesting for us, is that we will have we will have TV work. Yeah, we're taking over because it started out as an internet now yeah, then it was then they put us on one oh five three the fan Yes, and now we're doing TV. That's how good the draft. Next stop is the NFL network. Let's go better. What are we rails? Guys? Why I say we today? If we what are we rated on iTunes? Are we like way up there? Five sports podcasts? It's because a Brugler.

That's why. Fan base smart fan base, smart, smart fan base. Absolutely what like I'm I'm guessing you don't know the exact date, but if you had to ballpark it like when did you watch your first twenty nineteen prospects? Uh? Right around May? Late May? Memorial Day problem? I thought, yeah, oh my god, that's um, it's almost May now, yeah, Sunday, Sunday, I'll be working on my twenty twenty month draft that'll be out Monday, Monday. No you're not, No, you're not.

And that'll be it'll be more of like a watch list. And then and the Cowboys will have one. Yes, well let's go ye we think we think though, Hell yeah, all right, just wait till having draft exactly two or someone that's it. Uh. A lot of things going on here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Uh, you know, we have top one hundred lists, we have the Cowboys seven round mock draft that's going off today with all the writers.

I hope you took the opportunity to watch the videos that we did a two round mock draft which Lindsey hosted, Dave, myself, Rob Phillis. It's very entertaining. We we had a good time doing that. And the thing about it as we get into this draft though, and Dan, I think you've said this best is that you know, as you look at the Cowboys with what we think right now, no first round pick as we speak, but there's fifty seven names that are going to have to come off that

board before you pick. And we did our we did our draft show mock draft on Tuesday, and I think we all got a little bit a little bit. It was eye opening for me. There were some buyers remorse. There there was some buyers remorse, and it is to the point where it made me think about do we do we need to go up in this draft? Do you need if you're the Dallas Cowboys Stephen Jones, when

we've talked about this a lot throughout the draft. Shows is that there seems like certain depth at certain positions, but the positions that we might want the quality if you pass that the first time, maybe the quality in the third and fourth round is not where you want to go. And if you could, if you could take that pick at three, a third round pick at three ninety and move up to get a player now getting

it eliminate you. And I'll make this argument though that if you're a team like the Cowboys and Lindsay Dave, I mean, you guys work with the team every day. This is a team that is so cap heavy. Can they afford to trade up a pick? Can they afford to give up a pick when they need really a middle class tonight? I'm talking about Friday Friday Friday. Yeah, yeah, Oh. I was about to say yeah, but no, they would

have to give a lot of picks. But there's this team is so cap heavy with offensive line potentially, with wide receiver, potentially, with quarterback, potentially, with running back, and defensive end. Everybody wants to hit on their draft, but can this team afford to go four? Can't give up a pick when they need a middle class? They need bodies. They need bodies cheap labor. Yeah, they need they need

they need those guys. They need the Jalen Smith's and the Seawan Lees and the guys like that they were second round. They need the Xavier Woods. You know, they need those guys. So can this team As much as I'd like to say, go be aggressive, go make this happen, do I need to think about my team and how it structured cap wise? I get what you're saying, I do, But what does Stephen Jones keep saying about taking the

next step? And is extra bodies going to help this team take the next step or is it impact player? You get it? Pick forty going to help you take the next step? And that's where I want to win. I don't you know, I'm I'm thinking about three years from now, sure, sure, but I'm thinking about next year and I want to win. And I don't think by giving up pick ninety, I'm sacrificing my ability to win in three years. I'd love to pick up ninety, but it's ninety now. This is I have not been sitting

on this show all year. So what do you guys think about? You know, the window terminology like with Tony Romo's window they built that offensive line. Is this a window right now where Dane, you're saying we want, we need to win now? Because this is the window I absolutely think they're in, like a three year window where this roster can maximize its talents. Like you know, you're you're gonna pay some of these guys you already have, You've paid Tank, You're you're more than likely going to

pay Dak and Amari Cooper. We'll see what happens with Byron. But what about you know you mentioned Jalen Smith, What about Jalen Smith? What about Layton vander esh Right? What about you know you're not going to have You're more than likely not going to have Lyle Collins? What do you do about Ezekiel Elliott? All that type of stuff. Wow, And but the core group of these the core group of what you need, I think will be here for

the next two years, maybe three. Um, So I do look at that as a window where if this specific core of players is going to accomplish something, it probably needs to be twenty nineteen, twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. Yeah, we at those strike looming in twenty twenty one. Perfect that's to be the last Super Bowl champs before that

league goes on strike. That's fine, you know, And and but I just again, I liked what we did the other day because I think realistically we painted a picture for what how this draft could go down for the Cowboys, you know, at two, at fifty, at fifty eight, you know, I just think all those names have to come off.

And but are we comfortable allowing that to happen? Well, the Cowboys have patience, will Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, Jason Garrett, Wilma Clay, Well, they have enough patience to sit there for fifty seven picks. That's tough because, like or we said on Tuesday night, like it's not like it's not like they're gonna be quiet on Thursday night. And then you know, they they've got pick thirty five and they're they're right there ready to get into it. On Friday night,

they're still waiting. I don't know. And you know, let's say, you know, if if Jonathan Abram and Taylor Rapp are like two of the first six names off the board, maybe Jerry's like, no, screw this, guys, what are we doing? Or maybe even Steven says that. I mean, I couldn't write that off as a possibility. I think they're gonna

be ready for both situations. You know, they'll be ready to sit there and say, Okay, we feel good that player X, Y and Z will be there at fifty eight, whether that's Joe Wan Williams, a corner from Vanderbilt, Tristan Hill defensive tackle UCF. They're gonna have a group of players. I think they feel comfortable with it they stay at fifty eight, but they're also going to have a group of players that date ideally like the trade off for two if it works out, and I think both those

names makes sense. I mean, Jonathan Abram if he falls out of the first round, okay, name to watch if he's still there at forty. See that's where that's where I just kind of hearing whispers here the last couple of days. It seems like to me, when they're talking about these safeties, the names of Abram and Thornhill or predominantly the ones YEA with rap, there's some legitimate concerns

with this club about raps speed. Now, if you talk to people around the league, they will also tell you that RAP around the forty time has forty time with a hip flex or problem, you know, and that was that factors into the four seven eight exactly. They are saying, No, this guy plays much faster on film. We've seen that, We've talked about this. This player seems to be it's it's one of he's one of my favorite players in this draft. But Lindsey, do they have enough patience to

sit there? Do they do? Is Jerry Jones going to be willing to watch this draft go away? He's already committed his first round pick for or if if if I think if Amari Cooper was in this draft, we'd be talking that we would have a first round receiver. Amari Cooper would be that guy. And he might be a guy that you could sit in the top ten, maybe eight on your board, I mean overall, four on

his own board, four in his own board at that time. So, Linds, are they going to be patient enough to do this or or is it going to be one of those things where you know they're they're going to make a move because they see things happening Dane. Dane laid it out up for you there, But are they what do you think about that? Well, my question. And here with the club, we get a really good look inside the war room. We get to show you guys what goes on.

But who is driving this conversation? Is it Steven Jones or is it Jerry? Because Jerry has come out and said I don't have many years left. I mean, that's not even being funny, that's what he said, that's his own How much of that will drive the conversation. You have a head coach too, that's in the last year of his contract. If I if I'm here, I am banging on the table every opportunity to get players. I am not. I am not coming out of this draft.

Jason Garrett probably doesn't care about having a pick at nineties just because you need middle tier players. He thinks if he thinks that John exactly that that's yeah. If you and that's why I brought up the point. But you look at Jason Garrett and he and if he honestly thinks that Jonathan Abram, that's safety from Mississippi State, is his kind of guy he is, And yeah, and you talk, you talk to people in this team about Jonathan Abram. He will bring a different attitude, in a

different demeanor to this team. He's got the old school attitude. He's he's married, he has a child, and he performed well when he was here first visit, right, lindsay you had a chance interview. Kind of your oppression of him no frills, I mean, and I don't mean this badly, but over the six years now that I've done these interviews with these guys, less and less of them come in with a suit jacket or looking ready for the interview. This guy had on a tight turtleneck blazer, no frills,

no funny business. I mean, like you said that that got points with you, did you know what? It gets points with me, Dave, because people I'll never forget t j Yelden. I saw half his boxers just sagging off, Like I don't need that on this interview day. Yeah, you know what I mean? You know, Dave, hears me complain about this stuff. Does it really matter you know that much? Probably not, but to me it does. Yeah, I bet you it matters. Is Jason Garrett, It definitely

matters to Jason. And I don't compare me to Jason Garrett. David saying, I know it doesn't matter to a lot of people on the other side, you know, they're like, well, these guys have eighteen interviews in nineteen days. You're living out doubts. Agreed with me. I will say that it's it's a personal preference. It's you know, some people think it's trashy when you wear pajamas to the airport. Personally, I'm a flip flops and oh I'm to be shocked.

I'm a flip flops and Jim shorts kind of guy at the airport, and that bothers some people job interview your example together. But it was a great addition, right that, you know what that it's a it's a good thing to do. It's not as important to some people as others, but it's it's not a bad chop. It's going to

hurt you. Who knows. Maybe it's just his agent telling him dress in a suit based on everything their agents tell them, Like some of them, I'm like, I wish you would tell them, But no. With the case with Jonathan abral he is the type of guy that is going to take that extra step because he just has an old school altitude. He's just the old older guy in uh coming from the college ranks, and so think you'd fit perfectly in the locker room. It's just a matter of like in my final mock draft, and I'm

going twenty sixty Indianapolis. Yeah, so now we're dreaming here, right, that's a dream. But if you were to fall out of the first round, then that's where things get interesting. I want to talk about that though, because and and I'm not I'm not naive, and your your your grades are spot on like every single year. But it doesn't this draft seem unique in this like there's so much variation what people think about these guys. Well at three positions,

specifically wide receiver, corner. Somebody, not you, but somebody mocked Kim Butler to the Colts at twenty six this morning. He's not in your top one hundred. No, he's in the fourth round in my book, where do you have him sixty two overall? Which the middle. That's still a huge variation. Oh yeah, that's unbelievable. You know, Chauncey Gardner Johnson, somebody's got him at thirty three, somebody's got him at seventy five, right, Like, and it's like that locks like

that for me. Sure Drew Locke is a guy. I mean, it seems like you know, there's there's about twelve to thirteen guys that everybody agrees is going to go in the top twenty, and then it's just a free for all because you guys place different I guess pedigree on

like a combine performance rather than like college tape. But why it's so different, I think the style is a play too, like wide receivers, Like obviously there's a huge difference between Hollywood Brown and DK Metcalf, Yes, you're talking about it, you know, like a sixty pound difference, right, so you know you factor in the different styles corners.

You know, if you have a Byron Murphy, who to me is my top corner, but he's small and slow compared to NFL standards, right, so not every team probably wouldn't work here exactly. Some teams will immediately disregard him. Where a guy like Greedy Williams six three has length and his fourth three speed, but and that'll work for some people, but he's one eighty five. Playstrinks an issue. Competitiveness is an issue, so it's not going to work

for everybody. So I think corner safety, wide receivers, those three positions especially, it would not shock me at all the order these guys come off the board, who's still a when we reset the board after tonight. Yeah, you know what receivers are gonna be DK Metcalf could easily be available. I gets seem falling out of the first We're gonna be excited about the names that are there heading into Friday. I think which shuts. I don't want

to convince people. I'm not trying to be naive and be like, you know, try to convince you that guy, guys with first round grades are gonna fall to fifty eight. But I think we're gonna be surprised by the way this happens. Like there every year there will be a there will be a guy Carrel Edmonds last year, Boom going first round, absolutely like no one saw that coming.

When we get to fifty, we're gonna look and I just I feel like there's gonna be at least three guys where we're like, oh, okay, all right, okay, So the I and I definitely the second half of the show, the last half of the show, I want to get into some of the things you're here and Dane, I know we're kind of a one stop shop for everybody around the league. We got fans that listen to us

from other teams. I want to get into a little bit of those rumors and stuff that you hear, and there's I'm fascinated by what the Raiders potentially can do. I'm fascinated by what, you know, what we would do, what we would do if you know, an Arizona situation, because it seems like that Arizona as we are, you know, hours away from this draft starting, they're still locked into Okay, should we take this quarterback or should we not? You know? And then? And I think that's a or are they

just trying to drum up trade off? I don't think they're trying to drum up. I think there's some serious concern there. I think that this is going to be one where Michael Bidwell, the owner, is going to have to make a call on this one. Does he want to back his coach or does he want to back his general manager? Please give me a reason to believe that Kyler Murray's going to Oakland. Just give me a reason.

I tell you what I want it. There are enough smart people around the league that I trust who think that Kyler Murray's not going on. And it's because of scouts. Hey, hey, hey, they want Nick Bosa. And so it comes down to, like Brian was saying, Michael Bidwell, who swings up pretty heavy stick in that war room and the decision they make, do do they want to go? Do they trust Josh Rosen enough, do they believe in what he did? Or do they want to go with the young, exciting quarterback?

What is going on with this schizophrenic franchise where they fired their coach after one year? Sure, they retained the GM that hired him. Then they made like the most outside the box hire ever, like purely based on like the changing philosophies and offensive football? Who is in love with this quarterback that they're talking about at the top of the draft, and then they're not going to give him what he wants, like they're not going to give

him the player that gives him the best chance to succeed. Well, and you just that you just that's Cliff Kingsbury's kind of my speech to Michael Bidwell. Why like you hired me? Why did you give me my quarterback? Why did you hire him? Right, I'll tell you what and why do you I care? With this GM thought? If he if we're so convinced that the quarterback's not the guy, and we already fired the coach that he picked. Let's let's

let's do this. Let's take our first break, take our first break, and when we come back, let's get into that again. I'm interested in what everybody thinks about the whole Kyler Murray's situation. I think he answered a great I asked a great question day. I want to also talk about what potentially the Raiders can do there as well, and the Redskins, the Giants. There's a lot of teams that are trying to parlay some picks and go up. Who are they trying to get. We'll kind of go

through Dame Burgler. He's got his mock draft out. We'll kind of go through that a little bit. So you have the Draft Show. It's actually the pre draft show to the draft. We will be right back from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. As always, we're sponsored and presented by

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you know, all three days of draft. So we're excited about that. But we've got we're covering it live. And then we're gonna so we're gonna have like a reset for you ever read so Saturday morning, Friday morning, Friday morning, Saturdy morning, everything we're getting exactly, we're gonna do all that for you. Here again, we'll have from pick one to two fifty four also covered. We'll have opinions on that.

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of have a little bit of magic tune that. So we'll have some fun. It should be a great week and excited about all the things that we're gonna do here on Dallas Cow we saw comment and again with our partnership with Fox Sports Southwest and then one oh five three the fan. Okay, David helm and you were kind of talking about Kyler Murray. Why would you not if you're a new coach, why would you not want to try and help him all? And in that regard, Dane,

you have a thought about that. Why they would The scouts are talking about we like, we like Bosa, we want to draft Bosa. I don't care what you think, coach, we want Bosa. Is that a healthy situation for Arizona going forward? The Scouts drifted Josh Rosen last year, so you think they're protecting their player? Well, part partly that and part. You know, they believe in Nick Bosa as a guy that's going to help advance them as a

football team. Um, you know, and it's there's no consensus over there, and so it really is going to come down to the owner and does he feel okay punting on their first round quarterback from last year. And the other aspect of it is he's an owner, so he has his eye on the bottom line. And it's kind of twofold. They're gonna take a loss with Josh Rosen. They're not gonna get accurate value from the first round pick plus what it took to get up into the top ten last year to get him. But Kyler Murray

means New Jersey sales. You know, everyone's in excitement. Oh yeah, people are gonna be paying attention buttson seeds, eyeballs on the Cardinals, which Josh Rosen will not bring to the same level as a Kyler Murray. So from the ownership standpoint,

it's really interesting how that's going to play out. Seventy thirty is kind of what the feedback I got, you know, Kyler Murray to Nick Bosa, But I want to find out tonight, Lindsay, do you think it's healthy for this team to have to keep Rosen and also draft Kyler Murray. Oh my gosh, I was while Dan was talking, I was just thinking, I wonder how Josh Rosen feels or would feel when that happens. I would be I don't even know happen here with Dallas and eighty nine with

Steve Walsh and Trey Aigman. That was an awful situation for this organisas Yeah, I don't remember who it was, but some you know, one of the national guys who might have been Rappaport reported yesterday that, you know, the people in the building out there are like really impressed with the grace and a plum that he's handled this with. He's just kind of doing his job and not raising

the stink and blah blah blah, which that's commendable. But if they actually draft Murray, I mean he might not he might not make a stink publicly, but he's gonna be like, get me out of here, Like, I'm not sitting around to sit behind this this kid. Yeah old is he ty three? Yeah? Yeah? If you if you're a situation now and you're the Oakland Raiders sitting there at four let me ask you this, though, the Jets at three, are they gonna be able to drum up business?

You think they went out of there? Everybody knows, but it's just yeah, will they get the trade offer that's going to get them to move out of there? Because there's a good chance the Jets will have the opportunity to draft who a lot of people thinks the best player in the draft, and that's Quinn and William defensive

line from Alabama. So is there a trade offer? And the most logical trade partner would be the Redskins because they want to go up and get Haskins and they want to get in front of the Raiders at four, who could possibly take Haskins. But the Redskins have to go from fifteen to three, So that has to include next year's one, this year's two at six. That's two

forty six that they currently own their second round. And I mean, if you're trading up for Dwayne Haskins rookie quarterback next year, case Keenum, you might be picking top ten next year. So think about trading a top ten pick next year, your second rounder this year, plus the fifteenth overall pick to go up and get Haskins. It's risky. The last time they did this, RG three chosen twelve didn't quite work out. I know, there's I know the smoke. The smoke around both of the NFC East teams is

about Daniel Jones and Dwayne Haskins. Were like, no possibility that one of them goes after Murray at one. I know that's a steep price. Yeah, I'd be surprised. Could Haskins go at four? Raiders? Yeah? God, God bless that man, John Gruden, because I think anything's possible with those crazy Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like I think I actually heard that the Raiders were looking to take twenty four and

twenty seven and try and go somewhere up. They've got, they got thirty five, they got I mean, they got Ammo and think about it. I'm sorry, go ahead, No, it'd just be shocking if they picked at four, twenty four and twenty seven. Yeah, they're gonna be active. I mean, the Raiders, what is crazy talent? What's the snapchat? What's the snapshot on the Raiders? They're broke. Yeah, they're leaving Oakland for a new market. They're trying to market themselves

in a new market in a new stadium. Sure, they got a new coach who has absolutely no faith in any of the guys on his roster. As evidence the front office or the front office, he's proven that threw all of his scouts out of the building. He traded the best pass rusher in the league and one of the top ten or so receivers in the league. There's next to no evidence that he has faith in the

current quarterback. This is a great thirty for thirty. Should it shock anyone if John Gruden goes after Kyler Murray? Like what's going That shouldn't But what's gonna sell PSLs in Las Vegas more than Kyler Freakin Murray? Only or argument to that is they don't they just set at four? You don't need a trade. Set a four? Are you sure about that? Because well, if you're if you give a trade, if you can trade up to one, then Arizona really doesn't want them. Yeah, if they're willing to

do a deal, then they don't want them. So set a four. That movie I hate, I would have made that, I would have SAME's. Isn't it the same logic that gets the Bears to do something crazy like trade from three to two? I mean if, okay, the Cardinals might stupid, then Cardinal it was, but Cardinals might not want him. But maybe somebody's willing to do a deal at two or three. And that's something that you gotta forget yourself. Definitely, that is a factor. It's just who the Giants, maybe

Washington Redskins. If the report is true that Daniel Snyder has taken control, who knows what they I'm so excited. I don't care that the Cowboys don't have a pick with want maximum chaos, the first round chaos. It's exciting regardless, but especially this year because it's some unpredictable I was told Jay Gruden wants Daniel Jones, makes sense, Bruce Allen, Daniel Snyder want Dwayne Haskins, And of course in that type of battle, ownership is gonna win. Yeah, so you

know which one does Snyder want Haskins? Haskets Bruce Allen And that upsets me because Haskins is the better player I was hoping, Yeah, exactly. Okay, the division teams for the Cowboy fans, are you worried more about the Redskins getting the players or the Giants getting the players or getting the quarterbacks? The Redskins if you worry about them fixing their quarterback situation with Wayne Haskins, the Redskins have better talent around their potential quarterback right now than the

Giants do. Yeah, even with sa Quon on the team, I think hask You think Doug Williams reminds Haskins of himself? I think Doug Williams is enough of us say to matter. But they put Doug Williams out there is the kind of the mouthpiece exactly, that's what he is. But do you think do you think they kind of see a little Doug Williams in him? Maybe? I think that he went to see Jason Campbell and Doug Williams. He went to high school with Daniel Snyder's son, and that's the

thinking that they have. You know, I don't think there's anything that you can really point to except the fact that he upgrades a quarterback position. Lindsay you worried about this team, You worry about the Redskins and the Giants have proven enough. Giants with the two first round picks, do you worry about them? They're gonna do something stupid with them? Do you think so? Yes, they traded Odell like,

what are they doing. I'm kind of back to the beginning of our conversation, like are the Cowboys going to do something big too? Because if the Cowboys came about patients, yeah, do you think they're gonna have the patients to stand in there? There's a difference between patients and being or maybe the better word being conservative and being aggressive. You can't let everyone else get better and you not. You. I mean, you're right, but everyone else is picking at

the top of the draft because they've been back. I mean the Giants have. The Giants have pick six and pick seventeen, one because they're terrible, and two because cot Rid of a generational player on purpose. So I mean, you don't have much faith, David. They have done nothing since Gettleman got there to give me, which you know I've said this a million times, like the Cowboys took Zeke at for I understand that I'm kind of talking out of both sides of my mouth, but that was

really stupid. The Cowboys were trying to maximize a championship window for an aging quarterback. The Giants went out to the same thing. Now the Giants window with Elis is done. They didn't have the offensive line, right, they didn't they needed help on defense. They had a quarterback staring them right in the face. Also, the Cowboys picked fourth that year. Uh, they didn't have a shot at Winz Orgoff without doing a trade. The Giants went away from much better players.

I'm who am I drawing up? Mean? It was a yeah, it was a quarterback bananza. Last year. They could have had Darnald. Yeah, they should have taken Darnold. They should have I understand how good say quan Is is a great player. They made the wrong choice. I'm oh, okay, they couldn't have had Baker, which no, that's the only player that one. In a minute, can I ask you, and we've been talking about the Raiders, can you can you shed some light on something you and I had

a discussion with last night about agents. Yeah, listen to this if you're a fan of If you're a Raiders fan, maybe out there listening, or you're just a fan of of intrigue. Dan came up with an interesting theory last night when he was putting together his mock draft about the Raiders, and it happens to be with players involved and like with a fourth pick, stuff like this shouldn't matter,

shouldn't but it does. It does. Especially we're talking about the Raiders and the Davis family, John Gruden, but they hold grudge. It's this group exactly. It's bad blood and that bad blood will boil when it comes to Joel Siegel, who is the agent for Khalil Mack Anamory Cooper both left the Raiders on you know, bad terms terms. Yeah, the agent for at all Oliver and Josh Allen is Joel Siegel. M How does that play a part? And like I said, the fourth overall pick, it should not matter.

You should draft the best player and you figure that out along the way. But yeah, five years to you really have to worry about that anyway exactly. But at the same time, NFL teams, especially this team with the Raiders, with the Davis family, with John Gruden, that will matter to them. Dallas Cowboys might not be that far off. I mean, we'll see what David Canner's future relationships with

this team look like. After the DeMarcus Lawrence go. I think that's fascinating that it is that you would you would you would just totally walk away from two because of an agent, and the Raiders will hold a grudge. They will hold a grudge. That goes even further into my thought process. I was gonna, Okay, they could go after Kyler. They could do like they could make the most boring which I hate to say this about my guy, Like they could make a boring pick and just take

like a Devin White. So I had him in my final Monk. I still can't believe that an off ball linebacker might go top five in this draft. But like, they could do that too. They could take t J. Hawkinson. Devin White is so far up Gruden and mayox Alley. It's not exactly he's like Taylor made for what they want. The attitude, Yeah, absolutely, And I mean he doesn't help the pass rush as a pass rusher would, but he's the best blitzing linebacker in this class. So I mean

he gives you a little bit of juice. Fantastic player. I think you should be able to find better value at fourth overall, agree anyway, But yeah, the agent angle, there is certainly another fascinating wrinkled single. Yeah, he had two the ones that they let go. Yeah, and and trust me, that group remembers what happened. The North remembers you don't watch Game of Thrones. I don't watch I know, yeah I picked the Wow, I couldn't have picked three

worst people to make that. We all have kids, believe Thank you, Ken, appreciate you, Dane. Is some of the other room that you might be hearing about some of these teams? We talked a little bit about Washington, We talked a little bit about the Giants. Is there anybody else that you're kind of hearing some whispers? Uh? We still talk about rumors on our own team in the last segment. Yeah, you've got one lens. You sent it to me during the show. Oh, that's a different one.

I was talking about the one we talked about before the show about Taco. Who's gonna let you guys talk about that? Well, we can talk about that a little bit later later. Let's do it. Let's do I want to talk about a couple other things with the Cowboys.

We can do that in the third set. Yeah, absolutely, Well, but tell me there was some there's some some I'm hearing some whispers about stuff going on and it's almost said San Diego in Los Angeles with the Chargers, is there some things going on there with their quarterback situations? There's been some rumors about possibly the Chargers working on a deal for Rosen if Kyler Murray is the first pick, Um, and that's where you know they're again they're not getting

the value. And so could the Chargers the Cardinals on the first pick in the second round swap picks with the late first round pick for the Chargers with at twenty nine, Yeah, the the Los Angeles Charger at twenty eight, twenty eight, So swap twenty eight and thirty three and then swap quarterbacks Josh Rosen, Tyrod Taylor. That's something that's

been out there. UM hurt that multiple places. Um. Speaking with the NFC East teams, I was told Hollywood Brown, the wide receiver from Oklahoma, is not getting past twenty five and the Eagles so that reminds them of Jackson Sean. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So you know, we just we talked about the Redskins, the Giants, what they're gonna do with, you know, the quarterback situation in the top half of the first round, bottom half of the first round, where the Eagles were picking two guys to watch for Hollywood Brown, yes, and Jeffrey Simmons and Jeffrey Simmons is one of the both those players. If I'm if I'm a fan of the Cowboys, those are two players I do not want to see in Philadelphia. Take the tiny, take the tiny, fast receiver

or whatever. You just don't want Jeffrey Simmons, the defensive tackle to show up in Philadelphia. I don't want Jeffrey Simmons playing next to Fletcher Cox. No, I don't. I don't want that. See. I kind of thought, I kind of thought that that that's where Jeffrey people are all saying. You know, they kept asking, oh, does he get the fifty eighths and no, stop, no, no, just stop. Another team to look forward Jeffer Simmons. The Miami Dolphins. We all assume that they're kind of in tank mode for

next year. It's the better first round tank pick than Jeffrey Simmons. Great point, who's gonna red shirt this year, is gonna give you, hopefully to be a top five player in this draft, and he's ready to go next year. He's the perfect tank pick and if the Dolphins are able, in my mind tract, I have him traded him back twice with the Giants and the Texans taking Jeffrey Simmons

at twenty three. That's an ideal scenario for the Dolphins, aside from the fact that I love they're gonna be great, They're gonna be brutal to watch for sixteen weeks next year and the Cowboys playing what week three Dolphins? Yeah, bring that tank mode in. Yeah, I said it. But

the cow Boys should win their first three games. Okay, don't at me, Okay, um, but they're in a fantastic position, like they're gonna be in the top five in a year where there will be three really badass quarterbacks on the board, so or at least two too, definitely too. I don't he's talk about it. From is a third from there's in there another one too? Favorite college player man that Ta and Herbert are the two. Yeah, exactly, but I think froms as good as people think. But

we'll save that save that first. Sorry sorry, yeah, all right, that's next year. Yeah, how about this though, Okay, we got that rumors, we got rumors, you know, Lindsay prop and interesting point, some information came out yesterday in our third segment. Here, let's talk about some of the things that we're here and here at the Dallas Cowboys when we come back from the draft for the Draft Show my s WBC Mortgage Studios, presented by Miller Litte. We'll

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Today is that Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Showboys starting with that, We're back here in the sw conversation here classic Brian. I got in trouble one time. By the h you got a file of the I got a file at CBS. I gotta r for dropping an F bomb on the radio one time. Paul Dawson, Paul Dawson, I was right about by the way, I was right about that. Yeah, he deserved that, right about Paul. I

was right about that. Okay, Yes, we're back here in the SBbc Mortgage studios last fifteen minutes, We're gonna try and get through some cowboy rumors. Uh, maybe some league rumors. I'm going to talk about. I got some medical information too on some of these cats that you might if some guys start slide, and maybe you'll kind of go oh, now, I know kind of a thing. So, Lenz, you brought

up earlier than the Taco. It was tweeted out yesterday by Mike Fisher of one oh five three The Fan about a potential the Cowboys trying to shop Taco around. Your thoughts about that or what direction you'd like to go. Well, the reason I brought it up is because last night, after we streamed our mock draft, I went on to check it out, see how it went, how it looked, and every comment was about Taco from a fan. So clearly this is something they want to talk about and

hear about. Brian. I know your stance is he's not going anywhere. I don't think he is going anywhere. I don't just talk that. That's I think this is agent drumming up business, trying to be poor Taco. You know, kind of a thing. Yeah, well shouldn't they Okay, Taco needs Taco needs to concentrate. Like I said earlier in pre show about he needs to become Byron Jones. He needs to go out there, play down every down, be reliable, be dependable, you know, play hard and try and get

that fifth year option. That's what he needs to do. You know, these guys have proven it if you play well enough, they'll pay you to play. And I think that's where I think that needs to be Taco's focus instead of trying to drum up false business. If you want to trade somebody, We've said this a bunt. You want to trade somebody, get a value, trade little Collins, Yeah,

trade somebody like that. Did you get a second third round pick for maybe even I mean if we're even even, if you entertain it assibility, Yeah, you're not getting value. You getting valued on from Taco. And people are saying, can we move up? Oh, ship Taco to Miami and you'll move up ten spots. Well, but Miami just gave you Robert Quinn. Do you think they're gonna take Taco? And that's trying to tank. It's what we were talking about earlier. It's the conversation that we have every year.

And you know, there was a guy in our mentions this morning who wanted a third round pick for Taco, And it's like, why are you trying to deal with this guy? If he's worth a third round pick? Why was he a healthy scratch multiple times? If he's working round pick? Like other teams pay attention to this team, Like every team in the league has a cheat sheet on what's going on with this team and where they are. What's the best offer think you'd get for Taco late

day three? As s Yeah, that's fifth, fifth would be amazing. He swapped players for our guy last year with the Raiders, right, the defensive tackle you got hot Ward and you got you got a sixth for Tavon. Yeah, here's a question. Who was available that we could have taken instead of Taco? Maybe should have taken instead of Taco. Okay, we'll see.

This is where Will McClay and this is where I was wrong by the way I thought that Will was pushing the coaches in a way to take to take what and I was I was told I am absolutely dead wrong about that. Will was Will guy right? Will Will admitted it. Will said no, no, he goes. I appreciate you trying to be nice but I didn't think that Watt could be an every down player like he

is hand down guy. And so excuse me, Linz, but I just want to clarify that I thought it was Will was saying, hey, I want what and no, that's not the case. He was. He was on board with pushing Taco to the staff. So that's that's where we're. Taco a highly talented individual who has been marred by this drama and Twitter or is he not the player that they thought he was? I think he's just not

the some of his parts. Like there's a lot of individual traits you like about him, but he's not able to put it together into one cohesive football player that equals production, you know. And so and that's what you do as a scout. You you evaluate traits because you know that's that's the job of a scout, but you also have evaluate good football players. And Taco just wasn't

a great football player in college. That's why I think most of us but we had a second round and you know, he's just it's he's the same guy that they drafted and he hasn't shown that development and that's he needs to improve. Yeah, he does in part and that's not it's not It shouldn't be all on you know, the Cowboys front office for making the pits. Some of it you to put on the player for not realizing

his opportunity and taking advantage of it. Absolutely, and the stuff I mean, simply put the stuff you see on social media doesn't make you feel a ton of confidence, you know. And it seems I don't want to put words in his mouth. It certainly seems like he's more worried about what people are saying about him than anything else. There's like he is very, very sensitive about what is said about him. And you know, he needs to he

needs to buck up. And like I said with Byron Jones, you know which go get you that fifth year option? You know? And and look, I mean yeah t J. Watt went two picks after That's that hurts. But you can say that about a billion picks you can point being. But I want to admit I was wrong. I was wrong, and I was wrong about my assessment of the situation and what I believed was the situation. Even if Will Smith or Will Smith, even if Will McClay stood on

the table and was like, Taco is the guy. You know what You're not going to bat a thousand in this industry, just not. And going back to twenty ten, what's that nine picks, Yeah, seven of them have been all prost. I mean, I think that's why Will McClay stepped up and said, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're not going to bat a thousand, And you can kill him for draft and Tacco if you want to. Yeah, it might have been a missed pick. It's it is what

it is. It's fascinating looking back at the pass rushers, the defensive ends in that draft, aside from Miles Garrett, who would number one, Yeah, win number one. He's gonna be the highest pay defensive player here in a few years. I'm betting after Miles Garrett, Solomon Thomas with looking great. We'll get to that. We're gonna hear his name floated out of trade rumors. Uh, Derek Burnette's been hurt. Jonathan Allen, he's been okay in Washington, but hasn't been a game changer.

Kicked the Cowboys, but a couple of times those two Alabama guys inside have been But Charles Harris with the Dolphins as it was a buss tack McKinley from UCLA hasn't lived up in Atlanta, so yeah, yeah, yeah, So I mean just that defensive end class was really not what we expected at this point, and we know it takes a while for that position, but still he's not helping him well that is, and that I think that's the debate, which I don't know what they're gonna do.

I tend to believe they won't do anything. But if you're trading Taco, it's just because you're sick of his attitude and you don't want him here, and you're just like, we'll call it a loss, we'll get a you know, maybe we'll get our late fifth round pick or sixth round pick, and we'll just get him out of our hair. Yeah. But the other side of that is he's in he's

heading into year three. You know, Byron didn't make a Pro Bowl till his fourth year, right, and you know you bank on him figuring it out at some point. So those are your two options. Well, you would think though, with Rod Marinelli and Leon Letting, those guys how excited they are, and you know, on heck on, on Friday night, we might hear another defensive ends name called you know, and that's kind of where this is at right now. Hey, it's kind of a bit because we're talking about safety.

You know, we're talking about safety because okay, whats what what's cab On Frasier done? You know, I mean there's a little bit of a and I mean Cavon was a sixth round pick. But I'm just saying, though, if if in fact that you had seen some growth, yeah, maybe that Cavon Frazier steps and it plays that down safety. Sure, that's kind of where I'm No. Fine, I'm just trying to say, if you'm just if you were a little bit better, I hesitate. I just hesitate to compare pick

twenty eight to pick to whatever, pick fifty eight. No, I'm talking about Taco. Sorry Taco. Okay, I'll see what you're saying. Uh, Okay. The next thing I want to get Dave, you were talking about you brought up Solomon Thomas. Well Lindsay brought him up, and yeah, I mean it's a similar it's the same story we just said with Tacco, which I don't know anything about Solomon Thomas's attitude and he I remember he had a high, you know, reputation grade coming out that draft, but he has not lit

the world on fire in San Francisco. They if Kyler Murray goes number one, Nick Bosa is gonna be on that line with Armstead and partner for board now right. So it's totally makes sense why there are rumors about them shopping him, which I want to know. Cowboys could use the defensive lineman we're talking about maybe drafting Tristan Hill or Jalen Ferguson. Would you do that deal? And what would you pay for him? The former number three overall pick in the draft? You got the two, you

got the two fours. It's hard because I honestly have not watched enough of Salomon Thomas the last two years to give a great answer. But we really liked the player coming out. I sure did as a base end, a guy that can reduce inside. Has it been because of coaching change there? Or I mean, yeah, that's I mean more than anything. Is it is it something that? Okay? Is it worth it to you there at at three ninety? Is it worth it to you at four? Was it

one twenty seven? That's I want? I mean, we we just sat here and said, excuse me, a four one twenty eight I have a hard time believing you're getting a better player in the late fourth round than Solomon Thomas. Yeah, I have a hard time believing. Yeah, but it just makes me wonder, Sorry, if you're gonna take a three technique already, right, or maybe a end? But do we remember what they viewed him as a three technique or an end? I think they looked him as a tackle.

Because I didn't bump into Rod Marinelli this morning. That makes me mad because I used to ask him questions about it. He'll be around for the rest of the day, probably, But I mean I wanted I wanted to. I wanted to know, if you know, well, what makes me I mean, on their stack, I'm sure he was probably a top ten player probably, Oh yeah, I'm sure that. But where, you know where, how did they view him and how do they view okay, anywhere? How about anywhere? How about anywhere?

If they you know, well, I mean, I agree with you, but you know, we could say the same thing about TJ. Way. I mean they view I think they viewed him as a specific role, either a base end who could reduce inside or as a straight three technique. And so it's just a matter of what they thought of him pre draft, and then, like they've said, the last two years where

he was probably at a position in that scheme. You know, do they still believe in him the way they did two years ago and makes him Francisco would take that fourth round pick. That's what I wonder because we're sitting here saying, you know, Taco's pick one twenty eight, Solomon Thomas's pick one three, Right, so we're sitting here saying, maybe you can get a sixth for Taco. What does San Francisco think about him? What do they want for him?

I mean, that's why it's trying to be realistic and offer ninety or ninety sounds fair, but maybe you could get him for even cheaper. Like it's staggering how little you can get players for it. It It just depends on who else you're bidding with, you know what other offers, unless unless you're dealing with Arizona, who really doesn't want to give up their quarterback yet, fifty eight sounds really rich.

I mean, no way, I can't do it. I would take Solomon Thomas over what might be there for you at nineties, especially if we're trying talking about the line we're talking about taking Hill at fifty eight. Yeah, we didn't feel good about it the other night, right, I think that in order for it to happen, I would think they'd have to do it for ninety. I don't know if you're late for Yeah, it would be in huff but I don't know. I just think about it.

In Philadelphia we traded for Hugh Douglas second round pick for Hugh Douglas fourteenth. Overall, I believe with the Jets with parcels. I just I've been around long enough that I mean, and I don't know if Triston Hill will be the pick, but they're great on Tristan Hill is outstanding, and they're just like we feel great and like, you know, if they were to draft him at fifty eight, then

they wouldn't even want Salomon Thomas. I bet you if they put Salmon Thomas evaluation tape, don't you think Lenz Salomon Thomas and Tristan Hill, if it has to be, they'd have to say they'd have a better grade on Tristan on Salomon Thomas, you would think, But then you know, maybe, but you're now three years removed, right, two years removed? Maybe you throw on his forty nine Yer tape and you're just not wowed. Yeah, I don't know. That does

raise one more thing I wanted to bring up. We're running out of time, but something you know, I want to get in some medical information. Well just real quick. I mean, we we talked about trading up when we did that mock draft. Did we not pay enough credence to the idea of trading away from pick fifty eight?

And the reason I don't really think so because like, and I'm I think they'll have a hard time sitting there for fifty seven picks and think about going backwards if they're out, yeah, wiped out or like they're okay, if they're there. If they're wiped out, then who's coming up? Who's there? I'm not trying to be a jerk, No, No, I'm just saying if if if you're wiped out, who is somebody interested in? That's what gives me pause is and you like this is that like is this gonna

sound crazy? Is that Will Greer? Sure? Is that Finley could be? Is it one of those guys could be? You know? And is it worth it? Is it worth moving back? I mean? What are you getting? Yeah? Because someone's likely moving up from the third yeah, second, Yeah, gonna give you what a fourth and a sixth? You know you got colts behind you. Maybe that's where the Chargers are looking for that quarterback. I mean, I think you're almost better unless someone blows you away with you know,

a future three. I don't know. I'm staying there fifty eight and picking and not risking trading back and then another getting wiped out again from this the next tier of players whoever that, Yeah, I wouldn't want to trade down more than six or seven spots, and that's not going to fetch you this crazy well, and this might be your this might be your avenue because think about this. If you look at the picks behind the Cowboys, Kansas City's at I believe Kansas Cy' is at two sixty one.

This would be their first pick of the draft because they don't have a one. New Orleans is at two sixty two. This would be their first pick of the draft. If I'm not mistaken, They're gonna come up and get debot from us, So give us. That's the same. You've got some teams that might be willing to come up and give you something, and it's only going down three spots, four spots. Okay, is it worth a fifth round pick? Yeah,

I mean I'd move three spots for a fifth. It just depends who's there, I guess, yeah, yeah, I mean if a guy I love is there. But again, you know, we don't think this team will draft Deebo Samuel correct if the Saints are hell bent that Debo is going to be their slot guy to pair with Mike Thomas for the next five years, come up, give me a fifth. We don't have a fifth. I'll do that, and then you know one of the guys you like will stay

there six. I'm sorry you don't on the sick well even better, so you have two fits, two fours, two five. If there's somebody at fifty eight that you just don't want to lose, I'm not trading right, it just I'm talking about a scenario where you're not in love with any and you're like, well, sure, Tristan Hill will still be there at sixty one, and we can add an extra pick. Yeah, gave the teams behind you at fifty

nine is the Colts sixty the Chargers. Chargers are always a team that kind of takes a guy away from me. Don't they You just make that up. No, no, no, no, no teams no no. I the charges older, the criminal teams they took, they took. It took my safety that I wanted from Florida State. Remember Derwin. Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't. Yeah, they would, They would have drafted Layton anyway. That's I made my piece with the Darwin James thing when I realized that Layton was going to be the pick no

matter who was there, which hard to blame him. Dude went through the Pro Bowl real quick. If I could go through some medical information real quick. Uh, you talked about Hollywood Brown that Liz Frank surgery. Doctor Anderson did the surgery there and he's one of the top three in the country. I've been told. So that's all doing well. These are all from the rechecks. Jalen heard had a meniscus scope. There's not a concern there, so it just needs a little bit more time to work out to

kind of help that need. Montes sweat, Okay, we heard a lot about that. It's a condition called the acronym is ho c M. Look it up. It's something to do with a measurement of a heart. And so again, if you want to know a little bit more about Smart Montes sweat the condition again is h O c M. Check it out. You'll learn a lot about that. Christian Miller had some problems with his hip, more hip than hamstring.

That's a guy that the Cowboys brought in. Your guy to vay the the safety Jolanni TVI from Hawaii had a shoulder to grade three sprain. They fixed it. There's no concern. They're very similar what Troy Aitman had in two and nineteen ninety, so keep an eye on that. We talked about the hip flexer condition with Taylor Rapp Thompson, the safety from from UH Alabama. There's there's there's a little concerns. There's starting to be some whispers about maybe

a knee problem. There more a knee problem than the risk. The right risk is what we talked about the process, because that's that's what's been hinting that there was something else to hold the teams. The teams. I talked to a bunch of teams. It said, hey, maybe a knee problem there, so Thompson, So if you see some guys start sliding. We've talked about about Gary with the laborum that needs to be fixed. This is a labor um

they'll likely wear out. That's gonna be interesting tonight. Where does Rashaan gary fall absolutely bless you over there, lens uh Madcalf. I didn't know this about dk Madcalf. He had a fused neck. Yeah, that's why, and it's it's it's yeah, it's a it's a lower it's a lower fusion, which is a better fusion. So he should be okay there. Uh. We talked about Dexter Lawrence had something I didn't know this. He had a Jones fracture in his foot and then

he's got ankle issues. He got drop foot. Yeah, you know, kind of similar role he got. Similar So Dexter Lawrence, the defensive tackle from Clemson. It sounds like that would push you down the board. But he's okay. But you say, it's okay, it's come back. It's a nerve. They were fixing his ankle and they pinched off his nerve and it gave him drop foot. It was a sophomore year. Yeah, so he came back his junior year and played at not one hundred percent, but yeah, he's worked his way back.

So that's another one. Dexter Lawrence is gonna be fascinating and see where he falls. And then also Emmanuel Hall played all season with the growing injury another Cowboys. You have to manage him though. But you were talking about a track mentality. I talked to some teams. I kind of brought that up. The team said, no, they didn't get the feeling that he had that track mentality that he was willing to do. So we'll see. There's some

player people at Missouri they say that. Okay, Well, there's the trainers I talked to are the same maybe, but Missouri knows the kid. They lived with him. And then the last one I want to talk about before we get out of here is Polite, the defensive end from Florida. There's some shoulder concerns there as else. Yeah, it might need some it might be some potential problems there. So those are some names of guys that you need to keep an eye on. If you see them start to slide,

you kind of have an idea why that is good info. Okay, appreciate everybody out there. We're gonna do this tonight at six forty five on all our platforms. Next time you hear that music, it'll be time that's when we'll have the draft, but at six o'clock Lindsay Draper will host. If you're here locally at Fox Sports Southwest, she will host it, but we'll have it on Dallas Cowboys dot com too, so make sure you kind of check that out. We'll do a little bit of a preview. I'll be

dressed up ready to go. So again from my Scotty Buddy's stainburg of David Helm and Lindsay Draper can't garsign Brian Bross. We'll see you this evening from the Star here in Frisco. Look forward to it. Take care of them