Draft Show: Importance Of 30 Visits & Pro Days

we welcome you to the SWBC Mortgage Studios. You have the Draft Show on a Thursday morning as we inch closer to the end of April and the twenty eighteen NFL Draft which will take place and at the stadium at AT and T in Arlington. We've got the normal set of guys, with the exception of one. Dane Burglar is out today and but he should be back with us next Monday. Kevin kt Turner from one oh five three the Fan in the Ben and Skin Show, one of my scouting buddies, is here with us. Katie. Welcome

back to the Fray. We appreciate you showing up. Thank you. This is episode three for me this year. Yeah, it's been a good year for draft showing for me. Yeah. These are our highest rated shows. When we have you on by far, you good like a good spot duty linebacker like Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas, I was the Kyle Wilber back in the day, a special teams guy as well. I can do a little bit everything everything. But we're five weeks away, man, Yeah, five weeks crazy. This is

coming fast. It is coming fast, and I and I it's we're starting to see, you know, we're winding through these pro days as well. Got Dallas Day stuff that will happen on April sixth, where the local kids will come in and work out. Cowboys have an opportunity to bring them in here to Ford Center to work him out on the field. We've also got the twenty twenty thirty visits coming up as well, and we're starting to

kind of hear some names of guys. You know, it's a great thing about social media and things like that. You can reach out to these kids and kind of learn where they're going to visit in places, you know, with the fountain. The receiver from Northern Iowa that we watched the other night did not go to the combine, but he's got like seven or eight visits already lined up. And I feel sorry for that kid because every one of those visits is gonna be a physical he's gonna get.

He's gonna get eight physical is what he's gonna get. And you know, here's a guy kat third round type of a player on you know, if you've talked about wide receivers, you know, Dane Bugler's talked about him as being a guy. Hey you need to check a check out my Northern Iowa wide receiver fountain and so you know. But yeah, he's gonna have seven or eight visits coming up, and every one of them are going to be a physical. That poor guy blood work going on. He's always up

to twelve. I saw, I don't know, you have a check? Should they should bring him to the medical recheck is what they should do. That. They should absolutely bring him there and let him take one physical and let all the teams seem right there is what they should do. Maybe they are, but it sounds like to me, if they don't do that, he's gonna have it. I want to get into that though. I kind of want to get because David I think we have a little bit of an idea we're gonna get the thirty visits. I'm

going on a draft show. We'll kind of go through some guys. We'll get a hint, but some of the guys go through some of the guys. I'm trying to get a direction here, maybe early Katie, that maybe the

Cowboys might be looking at here. It's it's an interesting time of year because I mean, working here, you know, at the Mothership, we tend to have an idea of what's going on before everybody else, right, but this is one of those situations where we're the last to know, you know, because these guys aren't try and keep us as the last well, well, these guys aren't in the building. And obviously the scouting department likes to try to keep

some secrets. Yeah they do. But then these guys go out to their pro days and their workouts and they talk to members of the media and I mean, all you got to do is ask them you're working out with the Cowboys. They're like, yeah, I gotta visit set up with the Cowboys and that, and then it's on Twitter and it's out there, so you know, we're not the ones gathering that information. But it gets back to us space speaking to that. Helma and I will be on the road for the US. Yeah, we're gonna be

at a and m in Texas. Maybe we can ask some of these guys ourselves. Exact, we will ask a bunch of questions. Well, actually, you know, instead of just letting other people do our work for us, right Jefferson, Yeah, coming to Dallas. Well let's talk about Malik Jefferson maybe. Yeah. Well, I mean, so you know, there's thirty guys. They're allowed to bring it, right, they can target whoever they want. You know, two years ago they famously brought in every

quarterback worth talking to. Right, last year it was all dbs and pass Rusher Rusher. I feel like it seems a little more scattershot so on it like we don't have the full list, right, it's not there there yet. But you look at the you know, you've heard seven eight names. H Calvin Ridley's a name. You hear a lot. Rashaun Evans. Okay, hang on just a second, you okay? How are you? How are is our comfort level now with Calvin Ridley here? Mine? Has it changed at all?

In fact, I've been a little, uh not not frustrated, maybe a little annoyed with everyone kind of trying to drop up him after the combine and everything, like, oh, you're saying, you're saying, but yeah, I mean, Dane's kind of think he's gonna be there at nineteen now, and then I'm I'm excited about that. Okay. That for me, if you can tell me Calvin Ridley's gonna be there in nineteen, then I'll just stay there and not give up a resource to go up and get a guy

like Derwin or Real Quantuments or whoever. Calvin Ridley is the classic, like we're tired of talking about this guy guy, you know, like he's been a constant topic of conversation since early January and by this point in the draft process, like he's still good, right, but it's just like what else is there to say about him? And I feel like so he gets pushed down in the conversation just

because there's nothing else to say. But you know, I would still I wouldn't be surprised if he's there at nineteen. But I feel like maybe he tends to get a little bit devalued just because he's been has been so thoroughly covered, you know, worried about his age. Oh well you know what I got, Bryan tell him that those Terrence Newman was too old too. He's still playing for the for the VIC that's last time I checked. My one legitimate concern with him, and it's body type. It's

just the fact that his legs are so skinny. Yeah, he's one hundred eighty eight pounds guy there and go, okay, so how is one helmet to the shin that that might affect things? Yeah, but but I mean I kind of Dj Moore is not my second wide receiver, so maybe that's trut up. Maybe I'm not as high on Dj Moore kirk Kirk that we'll see him at Texas and named helmet? Last name? Is you plenty playing with the Cowboys? Cowboys? Or what's going on here? You're doing

a three visits? So Ridley's a guy. Yeah, his Alabama teammate Rashaan Evans as a guy. Okay, let's talk about Evans. We're not talking about him enough, right, do you think? So? No, See, I'm I feel the opposite. And like I just said, Ridley's the classic. We're tired of talking about this guy. Evans is the classic, Like we gotta there's gotta be

somebody else we can talk about that makes sense. And so he's like the late Riser, which and I think it makes sense, don't get me wrong, But you're hearing his name more and more as people are looking for options at nineteen, like, yeah, who might they draft? I think did? I think did? He kind of started off kind of slowly in the whole process, and now it's like, okay, wait a minute, we keep talking about a lot of

the same names. But is Evans as opposed to I think you're gonna say another guy that's potentially gonna visit here as well from Boise Ah, yes, Laton, vander Ish Okay, Vanderish Okay. Now we're gonna get cringing over here, for sure, we're gonna get cringing, and we're gonna get the Okay, who is who would we rather have? Evans or Vanderish? Well? And that's and that's where I think a lot of people are saying, not a lot. I think this bunch here, I think that they like Vanderish a lot. I do.

I think that. To me, I just have a feeling we're gonna be sitting here on draft night and we're gonna look at this thing and that and that and that. We're gonna we're gonna and the Commissioner's gonna go and and you call your shot right now. I'm calling it right draft And that was it again. I'm waiting toward the right field bleachers. I look a little like Babe Ruth done it right now, my big fat face, big port.

The guy likes hot dogs, you know. I I think that to me if he visits and we're hearing rumors about private workouts and all that stuff, and you know, thirty visits and I just just deep down in my gut, I think, and it's only it's only things lining up. He's going in the first round now. And I'm not saying he should be. But if someone's taking him, that's an overreaction on your part. And that's don't get me wrong. He could he could very well be the pick. I'm

not saying that. Do you want him you have to get him at nineteen because he ain't gonna be there, no, absolutely, but he should be there at fifty. It got knew. I knew he was gonna come. Let's play one year and then everyone goes crazy. You know what. There's people that are actually kind of connected. I've talked about this a little bite. People to say, hey, he's he was one hundred ninety five pounds. He was a walk on.

He hate man football, hate man football. Yeah, I mean there were a lot of things that people are kind of the people that want to line up against him or lining up, they're lining up. And then there's people that are absolutely totally on board with this guy, and they're and they're and they're driving the train. I mean they're saying, oh no, this guy's six four, he's two hundred and fifty pounds, he's got a tremendous closing burst. And I mean you need to be on here with

Dane and let him talk to him. Oh Dan, Dane will stay. You would swear him. Oh Dane is all over it. Now. Dan started out kind of like you. He started out kind of like you, and now he's kind of the well, I don't know, maybe we need but I just I just don't know. I don't know how you zero in on anybody when you're picking where you're picking. Oh trust No, I mean I'm gonna I will remember this conversation on draft night if it comes to that, because I will take a bite that much smarter.

I will take a bite of that turkey sandwich and sip of the diet pepsia sip your tea like a frog, and I'll just kind of think that napkin, and oh, kat, would you like to talk about But I know, I mean, I think I think all right, well, let's all right, let's go let's talk about that for a minute, because we can we like I said, the list is an official we can talk about a few more guys. But that's kind of the point. I'm not going to kill this kid like I did Bosa Evans. I think so.

I think so too. Let's let's just let's look at this, all right. So you start out, and this is so fascinating me about the draft process. You start out. You've got your You've got your Roquan Smiths. Yeah, you start out big, you got your Derwin James. And then you're like, that's not that's not likely, that's not likely. He's that's too high for him, that's too yeah, And all of a sudden, all right, so you're left you're left with what do we? What do we? Really? Let's let's put

it out all. I couldn't get Day in the draft a guard just just now he's on vander Schli. Let's really let's zero in on four names that makes sense. That that seem realistic. And I think the linebackers are two of them. Yeah, but they have to because nineteen nineteen seems nineteen seems high for both of them. But beggars can't be choosers when you're picking, uh Ridley, I think you probably put him in there. Yeah, sure, and I and we should be pumped about that. No, no, right,

no argument here is everyone's still happy with that. Oh no, I'm happy, all right. Word on the street is that the Cowboys have signed Deonta Thompson. Yeah, so you kind of a lot like the Joe Thomas and you've probably you've addressed your wide receiver corps in some situation. But I don't think that would come remotely close to stopping them from draft. No, not at all. No. Um, all right, so that you got your three and then you probably

thinking guard, Oh sure, Hernandez and Win. Yeah, we've beaten them into the ground. We have I don't need to do that. Tuck you into James Daniels into that mix. Sure, if you want to throw him in there. You know what, Hey, this man, this man did a mock draft and it's coming up on in our magazine here. Oh nice, and our magazine's coming up. I mocked him at twelve. He mocked him at twelve. He's got a giant's trade back and him take, yeah, how about that? Hey, well, don't

get weird with it. That's my don't get my mom Oh, I'm just got to give people to buy the magazine, absolutely to buy it. For his mock trapped alone. I guess, my man, is there something we're forgetting? I mean, you know, I love DJs, that's realistic. Is there a position we're forgetting? KT You're kind of you're you're kind of the outlier here in I mean, it sounds, it sounds crazy, and I'm I'm number one and team don't don't move people

around anymore. Let's let players be what they are telling me. Mike mcglinchie's there at nineteen, who is the number one tackle in the draft. I would take him and move Lele Collins to guard, and I would go against everything I said about moving players around, because the number one tackle in the draft is there for you. I like Mike mcglinchiy a lot. I think he can play bonus points for thinking outside the box. Oh no, this Catt'll do that. He's a great idea he is. He is

weird and he thinks outside the box. There's two things I love about it. So you get the number one tackle and he's an owner of the man my dad is you move your tackle. I could live with that. What if? Well, speaking of the Green Bay Packers, I know who you love? Are we not talking enough about Harold Landry? You know what? And I would take him at nineteen if he's there. In fact, I would love that. I would love that more than any of those linebackers

we talked about. I would like Harold Landry more than Isaiah Wynn, will Hernandez. Okay, even the guard Jan I mean gets Harold Landry. I think he's closer to the twenty sixteen player than Yeah, like if if you if a guy's got a messed up ankle, his ability to rush the passer is going to be compromised, Like that's just what happened, yea, And but they try to play through it. That guy. Give the kid credit? Yeah, and everything you're saying, right, tell me about his measurables and

stuff like that. No, No, who is he? Who is? He looks a lot his his profile looks a lot like T. J. Watt see it. I'm saying a lot. But he puts his hand in the ground. He does, okay, played in some four three looks as well. But I'm with you on the way he looks. I mean, if if the I just I don't buy that he's saying, they won't they will, they won't tag him because of

the measurables. I just wonder why that's why. And to me, that's a problem then, because the thing last year was that T J. Watt doesn't put his hand in the ground, and that's it. It's a project, all right, the project. Harold Ladry is a sixteen and a half sat guy in twenty sixteen. He's not a project. I have a I have a hard time adjusting to the concept that, like they don't think they could teach a guy to put his hand in the dirt, Like that's the only

problem too, are like, that's crazy to me? So is that your honey badger argument too? Yeah, it is, which we'll get into that, get into that. Yeah, we'll get into that. But well, actually no, but that's a great it's a great tie in to bring it back to these thirty guys because for instance, okay, we know Rashaan Evans is coming, right, we know Layton vander esh is coming, right, we know Will Hernandez is coming. These are probably Allen

right there. These are probably all guys that you got a draft at nineteen R Yeah, i'd hope unless there's a trade back. But for the sakes of this, we'll just say nineteen. We don't know if Harold Landry is coming or Marcus Davenport, and that's we should have that

next week. That's what make this list so interesting is when the full list is out, you're gonna have a pretty good idea of what they're targeting at nineteen because, as we famously repeat every year, uh, the only first round pick in the last decade that didn't visit the facility during the lead up to the draft was Moa and it didn't work out that well. Yeah. And and just you know, for anybody at home that maybe doesn't follow along every year, Um, it's just important in general,

down the down the whole board of the draft. I mean, these these are the guys that they want to draft. They you know, if they're bringing you in, they really want to draft you. Taco was a thirty visit last year. Cheetoh was a thirty visit last year. Xavier Woods was a thirty visit. Zeke and Dak were both thirty visits the years they were drafted. So these are you know, if you're coming here, right, there's a better one of those guys. It's a better than good chance that the

Cowboys are. And you like the idea though, Dallas Day you get some help with that, right Yeah, Corland Sutton's a guy. Yeah, it's honestly, it's like the best cheat code ever because there's so I found this out. Yeah, did you know Josh Jackson's from Dallas. Yeah, so theoretic, and well so is Malik Malik Jefferson. Yeah. So the areas guys that you know, you can you don't have to do thirty visits with them, have them come to Dallas days. It's like Dallas and then the Florida teams

and night oh no Miami. Yeah, Miami's honestly is kind of unfair, Like, yeah, the packers are not too happy. Are just like, what the hell are y'all talking about up here? Not not anybody, but but like I said, I think you're you're you make a great point about those thirty visits, you know, and some of the names. That's it's the most important information. Like if if you only could know one thing in the draft process, like

look at the names of the thirty visits. Oh if you if you wanted to and you got the list of the thirty names, just study those thirty guys. Yeah, not that, I mean that might give you an idea exactly what you said, give you an idea of who potentially because it's not all first round guys on there. No, there's some there's some guys we've heard, you know, Naheim Hines then got back out of North Carolina, stay like

and they do that every year too. Um. I remember, you know, and maybe it's not even a draft pick. I remember who's the who's the nose tackle? Rodney co Yeah, he was a Dallas Day guy I think a few years ago. Sure. But when it's all said and done, you know, between draft picks and undrafted free agents, they'll probably add like eighteen players, maybe twenty, and like half of those guys will be names that you saw on these lists. Maybe more than that. All right, let me

ask you something real quick. I kind of have an idea where he's going. He's he's willing to go he's going right for the right, for the right guy. Are you willing to go No, I'm willing to go at the price of eighty one. You're not willing to go at fifth, you know what? You know where I'm so that means that you're only willing to go as high as like sixteen or seventeen. I have a feeling his board in the second round looks pretty good. My second board, yeah,

my second round board looks really good. And here's also what I would prefer doing then than going up because at nineteen, I do feel like you're gonna get a really good player. Don't say don't say trade back. Uh No, I'm gonna do what we did a few years ago

with DeMarcus Lawrence. And if you like someone you're at fifty, and you like someone sitting there at thirty eight or thirty nine or forty or whatever it takes, then put eighty one in there and maybe another fourth round or whatever you have to do, and get up there and get a guy you like that's not gonna get to you at fifty. I don't hate that idea, but I just did the idea of nineteen for me personally. If it's Roquan. Yeah, let's move, let's go do it, you know,

because I think he's that special. I think Derwin's really good. I love Derwin James. I just don't want to give up pick fifty. What about would you trade up for Ridley if it looks like he's not gonna last? Yeah, I'd give up the third rounder to get Ridley? Okay, No, you know what? Now you got me wafflin. Because there's about a million wide receivers. Yeah, they're not all as good as so I will say ness, yo, just a domination of yes, and I was I did not pick up.

Let me ask you this. Okay, yeah, on the draft, on the Draft show, we don't waffle. So you're gonna go or not. I've got six seconds round wide receivers. I've got eight third round wide receivers brought us. I got eight fourth round wide receivers. I'm gonna get a wide receiver later. Yeah. I'm not moving well, okay, sitting tight and you feel quality. You feel good about all the guys though. Right If nineteen means take a guard, we'll take a guard. What's this team do they run

the ball? They need to protect the quarterback. Let's get the guard. He's making sense to me. I mean, so you're only going up. You're not going up for Derwin James, not panic. He's going for Derwin James Q. And you're going Okay, here talking into qu I'm talking to but hey should need to talk abo. His work out this morning at Georgia. Okay, Betty looked great. Yeah, always looks great. Just throwing the film. That's just great film to watch.

You know what happened? You watch other Remember watching that Georgia tackle the other day, the try hard guy? Why my Trenton Thompson. Trenton Thompson watching t Yeah, we're that point. We're watching Trenton Thompson Georgia tackle. He's like Thompson, Okay, good, good good. Oh well, three's making a play. Three's making another play. Oh, three's made a third play in a row. I'm just watching three now. I'm not watching Thompson rushed.

The people's distracted. This happened too. That happens with the guys who aren't even getting drafted this year. Like we're watching the bad I should say bad. But a late round linebacker from Ohio State, Jerome Baker Baker and sitting there going, Oh my god, Joey Bosa's brother, that kid can play. Get ready for next January. Yeah, that's true. Top five. Hey, all right, Dave, thank you for putting that together though again Dallas Day will be the same.

Thank you to all of our comports on Twitter. We're helping us get that Bobby Belt. Guys like that. You're tremendous and hustling and getting that information. That is awesome the way you guys kind of put that together. We'll get the list together and try and get all thirty guys for you for another Draft Day, another show on the Draft Show coming up. We're gonna get into a little Twitter on the twenty, so stay tuned. It can be hard to find the right resource for learning about

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that's kind of where that's at. Check that out. That's two things you need. You need the Cowboys Drafts Draft Guide and then also the Beast from Dane Brugler. Also too, I want to promote if you're in the Dallas Fort Worth area, Dane, Jeff Kavanaugh, and Kat and myself will host UH Draft one oh one uh and you can register for that. Is that on one h five three. I've tweeted out the link on that as well. Is it But I think you go to the website at one h five three and be a part of that

night April twelfth. I believe Katia April twelfth, and it's in then Dallas in the showroom at the station where one O five three the Fan is. If you go to one oh five three the Fan dot com. Yeah, um, you can find it and you can register. You have to sign up. There's limited space, so sign up fast one five three fan dot com. Yeah. This is like

our fourth or fifth year doing this, I think. Yeah, and it's it's gotten into a great night and it's great as the audience comes and they have a lot of quod questions and the kind of go back and forth with you as well, and it's really a good time. If you could do that draft one oh one, that'll be one oh five three the Fan. We'll tweet out the links and stuff like that makes you do that the Beast and the Draft guide as well. Okay, David Hellman,

give me a little Twitter. You got it, sir, We'll do a lot of pro Pro days are in full swing. He saw Sam Darnold work out earlier this week, so Austin wants to know. He says, he thinks pro days seems so overblown. Has a quarterback ever had a Pro day so bad that it actually cost him his draft stock. I'm talking first round guys. That's a good question because I've been a part of some pro days where quarterbacks

have thrown, but they're not been top guys. You know, they've been like guys like Okay, that solidifies that guy shouldn't be picked. You know, you're kind of watching them throw. What about the studs though, Yeah, I would venture no, because they're scripted. That's funny. I had a discussion with Scott Linahan about this the other day, and I asked him because he ran the pro day for his son at Idaho, and he thought, it's not about volume, but what you show the scouts, you know, it's not about

throwing the ball eighty times, just about making them right. Yeah, you know, he said, you know, you look at some of these pro days and they have eighty throws and the kid and misses eight, nine, ten of him and it makes him look bad. Just kind of showcase some throws, you know, kind of keep it simple to where the

scouts get an idea. Prove that you can throw. Yeah, yeah, you're standing on the you're standing on the right hash you make the left sideline throw stand you could you could fit the ball inside on the end, don't you're you're accurate on the out and speed out. You know, the combine kind of goes through a lot of things if you felt. But I don't think I've ever seen a workout just totally totally just mess a kid up badly.

I've seen some kids not throw well at the combine and then throw better at the pro Day, which actually helped. I think it's usually the opposite that I remember. You know, as recently as two years ago, everybody was all over golf because of his hands. Yeah. Yeah, Pro Day was so heavily scrutinized. They like dunked his hands in water. He went one over if I'm remembering correctly, the Bridgewater one where he wore gloves and everyone was like, oh,

I thought he wasn't gonna wear gloves. Yeah, well, if you knew him as a player, as you watched him as a player, you knew he wore gloves going into the into whatever. That's what he is, that's what he does, that's how he plays. So yeah, that's kind of where it's at. Our boy, b schlurf. I think, um, I actually hadn't seen this, So kudos to all y'all on Twitter. I guess the Cowboys reportedly worked out Dane's guy, Nathan

Shepherd from Fort Hayes. Yeah, the D three defensive tackle. Yeah, so we got we got like eight questions about this guy today, which so and we've talked about him on the show before, but just as a refresher, what's what's your range on him? You know where? Where would they have to draft him? What do y'all think about him? Go ahead, man, Well, I could play the one or the three. But here's the thing that everyone gets a little worked up about with him is that he went

to a school called Fort Hayes State. Yeah, and if you watch tape on Fort Hayes State game, they have the bounce house in the end zone. It's still great, it's really good. I have him as my number one defensive tackle in the third round, ahead of guys like Harrison Phillips, who you see a lot. Yeah, world, but Shephard would give you value at the three. I think

he could place him one. He's about three ten. I don't know what his official combine measurement was, but about three ten is what I had him actually, And I just think he's a type of guy who he plays with, good power, good violence. Yeah. Good. You know you look for a good butt right there if you're looking for a you know, a big old buttone the ways you can get away with saying that on the air. Yeah, but he's look he looked awesome and dominant in Division two. Yeah.

So that's the thing. I don't have tape of him going up again. Yeah. I think if you go back and look at his Senior Bowl stuff too, it was actually pretty good as well. The measurements on him is six h three six dave less when I do this six zo three six six h three six, So he six four three h fifteen pounds. Good calling that one kat. The speed you're gonna have him at is right about. That's gonna be seven about five one one Yeah, is what you know what this team looks for. The get

off the ball right there. And I mean, MALIEK. Collins, one of his good better traits was I'm the first one off the line of scrimmage. Nathan Shepherd gives you that type of thing. Oh, this is a disruptive cat. I mean you watch him playing games and stuff like that, and you're like, you know, it's not again, it's Division it's it's a lower division than all that. But I'm just kind of like I was always impressed with him, and like I said, the Senior Bowl stuff didn't look

too big for him. I mean, it wasn't it wasn't too big, and you know he was. He showed up and he battled there, he broke his hand, He beat Will Hernandez a lot. Yeah, and that kind of got everybody's That got every attention. But I'm looking at my notes real quick. Here really good in his hands. Katie talked about that plays with some power, hold the point, plays with punch, can drive his man. Plays a little tall at times. The word violence you use that, I

got that one as well, squeezed down. He'll get in some personal battles and that'll hurt him finding the football. He'll kind of like getting tied up with a guy and then the ball goes by him right there. But he could beat double teams. He attacks the gaps. He's a hard guy to move, falls back inside to make plays. I mean he plays outside the tackle box. There's a lot of good things to like about Nathan Shepherd from Fort Hay State. As Katie said, don't let the school

hein't cover your eyes. Cowboys once found a pretty good defensive lineman from a nobody's school in Kansas by the name of Leon Lett. Yeah, so yeah, um Matthew Matthew says, seems like most of the safeties in this draft when we talk about him, you know, you call them box guys. Yes, what about are there any center fielders in this draft? Which this I have a theory here that maybe in a single draft class, you've got like one or two safeties that you feel good about, like as cover guys. Yeah,

and those guys go early. That's your Malie Cooker and you're you know, your Derwin James type safety. So yeah, pro tell me if I'm wrong. But like, if you feel great about a safety in coverage, he's probably not lasting as far down in the draft as you would think. Yeah, I don't know about UKT. I mean I think a guys like Jesse Bates I've said his name from Wake four, Yeah, as a guy that I would like, the guy that

I really like. My pet cat is the golden kid from Tennessee, and I think that I think did he's a He's he plays the guy that put the double birds on the fan. Apologize, but I bet yeah he did apologize after they got just drove by Alabama. But ahead, I think to me that he's a guy that could play. He plays corner, he plays slot, he can cover, He's not fraid to get involved with tackles. He's physical, he shows range. Don't let the four six one speak. He

plays so much faster than that. He's got a burst, He's got range. I would like to see him play him Bates as another guy, like I mentioned, give me the guys that if we've got plenty of those guys that could play down now. I mean, and it might mean Xavier Woods. I mean we as a group campaigned for Xavier Woods last year and maybe that's their way of doing things now with moving Byron Jones, it's gonna say, okay,

Xavier Woods, you're gonna be now our free safety. If they go get a second backup type of guy again, Bates Golden, those are the types of guys that I would uh surely look at the kid from in state though, uhi, and they pick yeah, yeah, Marcus Allen's the guy ever what is excited about it? But he's a he But yeah, Marcus Allen's a down down the box. He's a down the box player. The more he the deeper he plays, the worst he plays. I want he never gets there.

I mean he's never He just never gets to where he needs to be. I'm gonna take this opportunity to steal a line from Brad Sham that I loved a couple of days ago when he was here at the office, which you know, we talk about safe here, we talk about safety. I'm just we talk about safety a lot, and people think that means that, like you know that I don't have any faith that like Xavier Woods or Cavan Frasier can be a good safety. That's not the

case at all. It's just that hope is not a strategy, Like I don't want to hope that those guys are gonna blossom into great players. Yeah, throw throw bodies at the problem until somebody steps up and fixes it, exactly. UM. Current event question from Stephen how will trading Jason Pierre Paul affect the Giant's draft strategy? They sent him to Tampa this morning. They did for a third and a

fourth or the fourth for Dave Gentleman. What you think which and to they so that that they weren't missing picks they've got, so they've no I thought that if Seattle that's missing a two and a three, yeah, that's the team to New York. The Giants, they've got their company. New York is picking two thirty four sixty six, so that's their first three and then add whatever Tampa's third and fourth are onto that. So they're gonna gets like sixty eight. They're gonna be picking a lot in the top.

You can I ask you a giant's question then about that? Are you gonna are you gonna stand in there and take Chubb? Now? Are you gonna stand in there and take him and turn down all these potential draft offers maybe a huge one from the Jets, maybe a mountin of Jets, a huge one from Buffalo? Maybe yeah, Are you gonna sit there and are you gonna say we're gonna take Chubb now at two and just move on with our way without? I mean, is it worth it to you to take all those picks and try and

make your team better that way? Or take Chubb and say, okay, that's what we are. We're just gonna go order of things that I'm doing there too, Okay, I am looking for offers I'm trying to get a better offer than what the Jets just got with then with the Jets, Buffalo better offer. Yeah, okay, so I'm looking for that. Yeah. Two, I'm taking my next franchise quarterback at number two. Yeah. Three, I'm taking Bradley chib Okay, so in the Giants order

of things. Yeah, keep in mind that quarterback. The Giants still have Olivier Vernon. Yeah, and they still I mean, I know he's not an end, but they have Snacks Harrison, so like they have talent on their D line. Right. Wait, don't get me wrong, Bradley Chubb would be a great addition to any D line, right, but I wonder how drastic it is for them. I don't know. And I mean when I think about what the Bills would be prepared to give them, I mean what it would cost.

And I'm stealing this from somebody else. But like when it comes to jumping ten spots to draft a quarterback, throw the chart out the window. No, you're absolutely right. You can ask whatever at six to three. Yeah. No, I mean, ask for whatever you want, because if a team wants a quarterback badly enough, they'll pay it. Oh no,

they will. They will then, So that's the main I'm I'm trying to fleece the Bills, is what I'm trying to do, first and foremost, because I know twelve is a long way to trade, but you'll still get a really good player, and then you'll pick again at twenty two, and then you'll have a one for next year, and probably you'll pick again in the second round. I bet you could get a second or third round pick in addition to everything else. This is gonna sound really strange,

but I would do. You haven't done the quarterbacks yet, and I this is my guy, Mike White from Western Kentucky. If I'm the Giants and I'm pick him at thirty four, thirty four, absolutely okay, Yeah, I know we're getting Yeah, add him to the man. I mean to me, he looks like the one guy. And again you're talking to a guy that sucks at evaluating quarterbacks, but he look I talked to some guys in the building that are like, I know the Cowboys are going to work Mike White out.

I know that them and the kid from they do want to They want to development quarterback like I would guess the Cowboys are gonna try to draft one. Yeah, So I mean, they're gonna go work this guy out to me? Take it a quarterback at two? Okay, maybe not.

Maybe I should take this, take this guy, Mike White, or maybe I should take you know what I'm saying, I could, you know, I can, I can piece the logic on that together, because I mean, if you're kind of a situation depends on how much you like you yeah, yeah, no, No, I'm just trying to say, and you like a guy, yeah a bit, but maybe darnold your first time, Maybe

he doesn't. Maybe Mike White later out of out, just outside the mix of the six guys, maybe he is the guy that make you say, We'll make you say I don't have to have a quarterback at two if well, if you're day, if you like him that much, if you're at two, you take a quarterback you Oh sure. I'm trying to make an argument with you. This is the same an argument about that that this is. This is the same show where the Cowboys picked it for and everybody on this show was basically an agreement that

they didn't need a quarterback. So I'm not going to kill the giants if they decide I'm gonna kill the team that takes Josh Allen, Well, oh easily that means go away? Yeah, no way. But if I'm Dave Gettlman Wait, do you see that tape? If I've seen a little bit,

but actual tape you watch, just leave me alone about that. No, I don't want no go away, But I mean, if Eli Manning gives you the best chance to win over the next three years, and you can add to me, you can add to the team around him without just not wasting a pick but drafting a guy too overall who's not gonna play. Yeah, I'm all in on that, especial. And you tell me I can draft a guy at thirty four and pair him with the guy pair him

with twenty two? You like, whatever, we gotta get ahead of What if the Giants traded back and got Quentin Nelson at twelve whatever, that's probably low, but just bear with me. You get a guard or my guy, James Daniels, Like I said, you get a guy who can start right away. And then they lost their center and they draft Lamar Jackson at twenty two, then I would be taking before that. Well, then you could use all your picks. Are you gonna go out that night of the gonna

be cheering for the Giants. I'll just if the Giants could do a lot of stuff that was sure, they could really scary for you. Sure they could, That's all I'm saying. Yeah, if get them in places right, he can have he could, he could hurt you for a little bit. Would you would you let the Giants trade up to nineteen to get Lamar if they were sitting at twenty two. We're like so deep in the weeds right now, but I don't care what about that though the Giants are trying to get it. Would I take

Lamar a nineteen? Would you? I bet you would? But I don't think they would. I don't think they would, either the Giants or the cowboys. We're talking about the cowboy cowboys. It's having fun, right If having fun, we're just throwing out scenarios. We've talked about that on here before, Like if they were completely wiped out and they couldn't get out of it, I mean, I would do it. Whatever you have to get ahead of the quarterback situation? Do you do it? There? You sit there and take

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I'm on social media too much. She is the I don't do this on top y. He just says it when she's here, Dave, put your phone down and live your life. Speaking of the aforementioned at Taylor Stern, Welcome to the program, my friend, so much. Nice to have you back. Happy to be back in the building. We discussed earlier some different things that we could talk about today. Yeah, you kind of throw a stone in the fire upstairs, so you know, I'm glad we have the opportunity to

bring you on and let you Oh, I'm glad you're wise. Yeah, that's all I gotta say here. I try old man wise. No, you're you're very wise and it's been proven, but you know, hellman. And yeah, even unfortunately Katie is another questionable topic here. Yes, okay, my take, I'm thrown at you guys. Yeah, all right. So this is the Draft Show, right, Marily covering all draft things right and Cowboys fans are up in arms this past week with free agency, thinking that the Cowboys

are essentially doomed. Right. To me, it feels like preseason, you know, when a team goes four and oh and the preseason, Oh they're the next super Bowl winner, Cleland. But not true, Yeah, not true. Yeah, the fact of the matter is that preseason is a random team. It's not even your fifty three man roster mostly playing. It's an assortment. So coming back to free agency, Cowboys fans want them to go out and get the big names, or at least that's what I'm seeing on Twitter. Right,

it seems like they keep saying, oh, they've done nothing. Right, I think they've done something. And with the current free agents that they had in this year particular, right, I'm not upset with the moves that they've made. Okay, so you're you're you're thinking, you're lyne of thinking is though, draft is the most important Draft is the most important thing. Yes, ten picks. Yeah, you know, I think that the I

think that he will argue with me about that. He likes balance in the thing, and I see, I mean, hey, you gotta supplement. You got to be able to do what you need to do. That's the point of it, right, Yeah, that's the point. And I think that to me, I am on board with the Cowboys approach. Not because Jerry Jones signs my check. I'm on a board because I like to draft. But but I could also see where that's not enough. I get it. But I'm gonna take ten shots at this thing. I'm going to I mean,

I'm gonna move around. I'm gonna do whatever I'm gonna have to do. What if I told you you could take ESPN thirty for thirty. What if I told you you could take seven shots and then spend three draft picks to bring in like some better Okay, so you're saying I need to trade, saying trade, make trades, use what asset I have. Can't rely on the draft, which is historically a crapshoot, and if you're good at it,

it's the one thing that they're good at here. But even my right, even if you're if you're great at the draft, isn't it still only yielding like sixty to seventy percent success? Well, like even the good teams do they hit on every single pick? Does every pick you make in a draft? Agency? Why they're chilling out on free agency though? But because of what happened years ago, you think that's in the case with with with with with Brandon Carr, that's why what then that's about? Well,

I didn't have a problem with Brandy Carr. But what I'm saying is, like the best for agent signing they've had is a guy like Jeremy Mincy over the last five years. And that's kind of weird to me if we start looking at it and going, Okay, I understand what they're doing. They don't need to be restructuring Jeremy. Jeremy Mincy would is like a great signing compared to some of the stuff that they've done. I mean, Jeremy

Mincy had six sacks. That's get me a guy that can get six sacks for I think they paid him two million a year or maybe it was one point five a year. Even Vincent Mayo that first year. I mean, somebody lacks but go ahead, no, no, go ahead and make your point. What was it? The point is, like cod they start restructuring contracts that they were doing all the time, just flipping switches, and people act like there

is no salary kept. No there is. Yeah, And like if Tyrn's got a bad back, I don't need to be restructuring his contract into each Oh. I think that's I think that we didn't see that this year. It was Travis Frederick. That's going to be the flip. When that happened, you trusted him to stay healthy. Yeah, Now, Dave. The only thing that I'm saying that I've seen the shift in the NFL particularly, and then the Cowboys are at the forefront of that with what they did with

the secondary last year. Yeah, that this is such a young man's league, right league. I mean, we were just talking about receivers that are thirty and oh they're out of it, they're past their prime. Well, the fact of the matter is is like when you go on free agency, these guys are a little bit older because they've been with other teams, right, they've experienced other things, They've had

other injuries that you don't know about. With the draft, you have a lot more control about the projection of their career. You do, No, you absolutely do. And like for the record, drafting is the right way to do this, like it should be the foundation of your team. But to assume that you can just replenish guys through the draft and let them go as they age and not look for other ways to stock your roster, I just think that's wrong. I mean, and you know you mentioned

you feel like it's the preseason. Teams that perform well in free agency don't usually amount to anything that is true to a degree. And if you're out there throwing Tomi Dolphins two years ago. How about the Philadelphia Eagles last year? Okay, well that's because their fans were pumped on their free agency moves. I think their fans probably were because they looked good. They got a very good

wide receiver on a very team friendly deal. They traded for a first round defensive tackle and didn't give up a lot to get it. They signed a veteran Chris Long, who the Cowboys were interested in two years ago, who they couldn't get their hands on because of New England England. They didn't pay them a lot of money. I think it wasn't sexy, and I don't know that they were hosting parades in free agency, but I think that they were all very happy about the way that those deals

panned out. And that's that's where I'm at, which is that did they have to resign anyone big on their team before they made moves? Well, they have. They redo Lane Johnson's conj have Fletcher Cox, they have Lane john franchise tag anyone. No, no, you had a franchise tag one of your best defense events, that's the best defensive vents. That's fine, and they should have. I'm in favor of that move. They could still be doing more. And you're right, there is a salary cap. There's also a way around

that salary cap. Like, but we've been I've been saying it since I'm till I'm blue in the face. Morgan Burnett's getting four and a half a million dollars a year. Dude, you can accomlatch Morgan Burnette player break and he's good, you can. You can accommodate. He's got to get hurt. He's gonna get hurt. Love, but five million dollars you can acc And you know, I worry about bringing this name up because I went to LSU and I don't

want to look like a homer. Tyron Matthew seven million dollars a year or for one year on a prove it deal. You can accommodate that too, if you really want. Okay, let me well, let me just real quick there, Okay, then tell me how you would use Tyron Matthew. Yeah, and and and and and no, I'm just staying scheme wise, and will this coaching staff do it the way you want to do it? Off the top of my head

without like knowing that I'm not an expert. I would use him a lot like they use Xavier Wood Xavier Woods, which is that he can play slot corner and he could probably be your third safety in nickel and dime situations. I wouldn't want to put him back in center field all the time, but I think he would be a massive upgrade. And I would try to put him into situations where he can be a freelancer because that's what he's good at and you think these guys are capable

of that. If they're not, then that's a problem. Then that needs to be changed out. I mean, just figure something out and then that's you know, I'm I'm tired of hearing things like, well, he doesn't fit, and if it's if it's a schmo, fine, but if you're talking about a Pro Bowl player not being able to fit, that's a problem. For Let's tie this back. Income pro Bowl player fit, make your scheme fit if he's good enough. I mean, if if you can't find a way to

use a guy that that's talent, that's that talented, that's bizarre. Okay, let's tie this all back in the draft. It goes back to the one technique thing man you on board with the I mean they will not they will you know the one I've brought. Are they too? Scheme depended here? I think I think they're stubborn, stubborn across the ball. I think that I think they're stubborn. I think they like their guys and so sure, you know, I don't

think it's a coincidence that you know the guys. It's it's very peculiar, peculiar and coincidental to me that the fullback all the Walley and Joe Thomas have both spent time here in their career, so they're even familiar with them on at least some kind of level. They liked them enough to bring them in at one point in

their career. Whether you call it you know they're afraid of getting burned by a guy they're not familiar with, or whether they're just stubborn and they think the guys that they evaluate are better than the guys other people evaluate, I don't know, but there's something there. There's a stubbornness there.

I think I respect their persistence on just relying on the scheme and this is what we do, and like, I think it's weird and it kind of bothers me sometimes, but I actually respect it, Like they go back with it, do you? We don't. We don't take a one and it's fun. I'm like, I would adjust to it. But hey, do you guys believe in something you respect? I wish I believe Bolts. I wish I believe the handborn plane

right now, Kent. That's what taste takes you, m I wish I believed in something as much as the Cowboys believe in their scheme. That's the other I bring it up all the time, and I know, like, you're not high on him, he would you would call him a bust, but give up a third round pick and get a fifth in return and add Danny Shelton to this defensive line and just let him. Oh no, I mean, I don't think Danny Shelton's a bust. I just think I

think it's Danny Shelton the right way. Let him take on blocks and free up your linebackers to make plays, and he'd be way better at it than a guy that you draft in the seventh round. I think, yeah, And I think that's worth swapping draft picks for for And again, one year the Eagles sent I think they sent a third to Baltimore for Timmy Jernigan. Yeah, they're like, this might not work out. Well, it did and they gave him an extension and he's a valuable part of

their defense. All right, well, we'll see you on Eagles dot Com. Think hey, you want to it's a copycat lead. My main point of this whole discussion was that Cowboys fans have an optimistic silver lining at the end of this tunnel in the fact that you have ten draft picks, primarily what you've done last year in free agency, letting big name guys go in mo Clayborne, Berry Church, those guys, etc. So all I'm saying is, at least look at the fact that your past Pro bowlers, your big time Pro bowlers,

have all been draft picks. You're absolutely right, like, there's all there's all the reason in the world to be optimistic that they're going to find some really good players in this draft. But it's not realistic to think that all of those got I mean twenty sixteen draft class don't come along every day you find an all Pro quarterback and all Pro running back and a six sack defensive tackle with your first four picks. Very off, bringing

up Anthony Brown him too. You're right, You're absolutely right. He deserves credit too. That doesn't come around every year, and it's not realistic to think that those guys are going to put you over the top on a team that fell short of the playoffs. Let me ask you this, with the move for Sammy Watkins, do you question now the pro personnel side of it. I mean, she's trying to tell you need to go draft. There's I mean, does that kind of make you pause a little bit?

Like WHOA? This team almost feels schizophrenic right now. Like on one hand, they're they're reluctant to bring in guys and spend a lot of money, and on the other hand, the report is that they were trying to give Sammy Watker sack million dollars. Yeah, it's it's like they don't know exactly what they want to do, which is goodness. They didn't do the Packs and Lynch deal. Hey oh yeah, I'm talking if we're talking about draft too. I mean,

that was the back that was the other backup plan. Right, There's a million different ways all that stuff can go. And yeah, I mean, you know, Sammy Watkins could be the number one receiver on this team, right Now, if Kansas City hadn't decided to up the offer, if the Paxton Winch thing happened, Garrett wouldn't have a job right now. They would all have been wiped out. I know, he's done pretty good at the broncos M. He's rocks a

lot of hats. He was crying on the sidelines, a lot of hats, although it was a pretty bad at the at then, I mean, I think we're all in agreement. I mean, this is the draft show. The draft is the most important piece of team building in top picks, babe, That's what we're talking about. And honestly, today's point it worked out beautifully for them in the sense that they let a lot of salary go in the offseason last year and replaced it with young defensive backs who look

like they have all the upside of the world. Um, I need Cavon Frasier. You know Bury Church Now, well, Cason point right, but well you're James. Cavon Frasier is going to become Cavon Frasier is going to become Burry Church just in time to leave. And then you're gonna let him go, and then you're gonna have the same problem how is that any different than Smith becoming just

good enough to leave? You're right, no, I mean, I mean they just questions on if if all you're doing is drafting, then I feel like you're on a four and five year cycle where you're never fixing your problems enough to really bolster your team. Like you know, I said this off the air to Taylor, it's like the Jerry Jones analogy of holding jello, Like as soon as you feel good about it another you know, it's sports

out the other side of your head. But let's be honest about the real problems, the real problems last year for this team that caused them to miss the playoffs. There's a suspension and a bad bad and well and a bad hand I get and a slot player that was half the production. That's and that's all. I bet

you that's a big part of the reason. Like they don't they think we're ridiculous for the amount of concern there is, because I'm sure they see themselves as a much better team and win ten games next year to be to be. I mean, they were rolling when Zeke got suspended, They really were. I mean they they kicked the crap out of the Chiefs. So I get that, and and I like you know, I always say this, I don't think it's as dire as a lot of

frustrated fans want to make it out to be. But I think it's I think it's a bad idea to also ignore your problems and act like you're good and not try to bolster your team. Okay, two quick questions for the panel. If I could, this team we got on the mail back this morning. This is team at nine and seven, worse at nine the worse now than they were at the end of the area. Yeah, they worse now than they worked the end of the year.

I don't think so. No, I don't think they are. Okay, you your top two tackles were hurt, Your running back was coming off a suspension, your linebackers were in disarray. All that stuff you would assume would be better in twenty eighteen. You're going to add a draft class to that. Anthony Hitchens is something worth worrying about. But you've signed a linebacker to help with that. You're going to draft a linebacker to help with that. So no, I don't

you know. When it's all said and downe, No, I don't think they're worse than they were at the end of the ally. I think they're about the same, do you really, Yeah, which is hey nine and seven, Yeah, eight and eight, Yeah, and around there. I don't think. I just I don't think an Anthony Hitchins makes this team worse. What do you think take losing Anthony Hitchins. Yeah, I don't think it makes the team overall worse. Doesn't

make them better. No, but it's not. It's not one of those things that if it makes you makes you think the whole roster suck. If you do what you have to do and protect Shaun Lee and Jaylen, yeah, that's whatever you draft someone think, Yeah, and I agree with you. I mean they have for the most part, they have the starting personnel to get the job done. Yeah, because Anthony Hitchins was still gone four games to start your season. Granted everyone was like, oh, Hitchens and Lee

haven't played together. Well, the problem I mean, and the problem is they rarely do. And the problem is Tyrons had back problems for the last two years. It's it's not about what you're starting twenty two can do. It's about fortifying everything behind them, which they haven't done well. All Right, and in my next question for you guys, if you're Jason Garrett, what approach should you take in

this draft? Their draft meets start, say April ninth, what approach if you're if you just play Jason Garrett, what should your approach be in this draft. I'm not gamble and we're not doing any long term gambles, no project betting on We're not betting on nerves to regenerate like things like that. If we that's on, that can't happen. And I think they all know that. Yeah, I think everyone knows that what the deal is here, free agency

is not over. But if we can if we're just going to assume that they're not gonna make any major plays, if they're not going to add any major players to the team as it is right now, they need to come out of this draft with three starter caliber, like quality players. I'm there. I'm with that. If you can give me Dak and Zeke and then one other badass,

I'm good with it. I'll tell you what I'm with you if you can get me too with Kat on this, I'm not taking any If I'm Jason Garrett, i am not letting them take any projects I'm saying, listen, move up, give me guys. Yeah, gi me. I'm being so we're going up for real. Qual I'm standing in that up. I know my jobs on the line. I'm gonna go down in flames if that's If that's the case, I'm gonna try and be as aggressive and get me as many players as you can here. They can they can handle,

get a lot. Get a left guard though, yeah, that's get to get a good solid For the record, I don't seem runs the ball one way or another. They're not done. Yeah, I mean they signed Thompson earlier. They'll there's a few more signings left to come. Thank you very much. Taylor coming in takes place though. We need the hamhorn. Yeah, exactly. I want to thank you again, Taylor Stern. I want to thank Katie, Kevin turnerper coming in sitting in for Dane Bruger, David Hillman. Thank you.

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