Draft Show: How Has Free Agency Affected The Draft?

David Hellman, Kate Garrison Executive producing. Today. We are full on in the middle of free agency going on right now, players being signed, released, big time players. How does that affect what we're about to see in this NFL drafting again? Forty two days, Yeah, forty two days. I'm really again happy to have my guys here to kind of talk about what direction I initially want to go with that. I want to talk about that and also want to get into though, you know, we have this philosophy. I'm

an old scout, you know, nineteen ninety two. Dane is a young scout, but an old scouted heart. With some of his thoughts and with some of these signings and stuff, I want to get into maybe talk about that a little bit later about does our ideas change about when guys need to be taken or not? And I know I always fight with you guys about drafting guards and stuff like that when you do that, but I want to ask some questions about if things change, you know,

if your philosophy. Do we always seeing a shift in scouting philosophy when it pertains to some of these positions that we really didn't feel like was going to be. You know, like I remember, Chris Niolie, I told you this earlier. New Orleans Saints drafted a guard tenth overall, I want to say, and that that to me was shocking. You know, as far as that goes today, that doesn't bother me. I know it. I know it kind of it goes against the norm of drafting. But I want

to get into that later. But as we look at the landscape of free agency in the way it's going right now, I'm looking at teams for the Cowboys perspective, Okay, you've got all those quarterbacks we're talking about, can you drive players down that board? That's gonna be the key. Is there somebody gonna be coming down that board that we didn't see? Quarterback teams that took ahead of you, the Cardinals, they signed Sam Bradford. That's a pick at

you at fifteen. Sam Bradford help you? Or does that? Does the Arizona do they still need to draft a quarterback at fifteen? If one's there, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, the only quarterback needy team in the league that now is not quarterback needy is Minnesota. Yeah, they gave they gave Kirk Cousins all the money in the world. I don't I can't imagine them spending a big time draft asset on a quarterback, but literally everyone

else you're talking and stop gaps. I mean Case Keenum and Denver, Okay, but if I agree that's the only one where well, but I would even say, I mean, if you love a quarterback at five or you think you can get I mean Case Keenum isn't enough and I don't think they paid him enough where if they really feel like they can get a great quarterback, it would stop him. Same goes. I mean a J. M. McCarron is clearly a stop gap for the quarterback that Buffalo wants to draft. Um Sam Bradford is not stopping

me from doing anything. Yeah, Sam Bradford's up, you know at with the New York Jets, McCown and Teddy. I think I'm very intrigued by the Bridgewater deal, and I hope it works out for him because I root for him as a person. But that wouldn't stop me from drafting a quarterback if I were the Jets either. No, No, you're astol. You're right, and so nothing has changed for you guys, nothing's changed the shot on that front, like it's still gonna be. It's still gonna still feel like

they're potentially that all those quarterbacks can go early. Then all of a sudden, now, hey, here's that You've You've been on the train about the why receiver Ridley. You have been on that train since the combine. And I like what you're saying there. I like what you're saying there. So to me, if I'm interested in Ridley, which we all are, you know, let's see if they're interested in Ridley though all these quarterbacks, nothing's changed for us, right,

No quarterback is going number one to the Browns. Lock it in, okay, and then you have I like what Dave was saying about case Kiman in Denver. I think what that does for them is they don't have to trade up. Now. Now if the right quarterback is there at five, yeah you don't, you take them, But they don't have to trade up. They're not pressure to do that. Buffalo they made that trade with Cordy Glenn. So now they're picking number twelve and twenty two puts them in

striking distance. I mean, they're basically doing what Philly did two years ago with Carson Wentz. Now they're in striking distance to go up into the top five or six picks, to go up there get their quarterback. Nothing has changed in terms of the we're going to see four, maybe five, probably five quarterbacks go somewhere in the top fifteen picks, which and I mean, yeah, so you're still talking probably a solid third of the picks that go before the

Cowboys at nineteen. That helped them, I think, yeah, so, but in terms of like the landscape, that's you know, when Buffalo made that trade, everybody was like, well, this is this is great. It's gonna push somebody down the board to the Cowboys. And I was like, I don't it's not any different because yeah, we knew that quarterback was always going. We just didn't know where. We didn't know it was twelve to the Bills, but we knew somehow, some way, one of those guys would probably go in

that range. Could Buffalo sit there at their spot and pick a quarterback, You think they could, But I don't think you're going to. If you look at the history of quarterbacks that have gone in the first round, if you didn't have that number one pick, right, chances are you traded up for your quarterback. Sure. And this is why I don't understand people saying, oh, Cleveland could just take Barkley at one and get their quarterback at four.

That's that's a dangerous play. Well, no, you don't get cute when it comes back exactly and get your guy. And it's not position where oh we didn't get our top guy, we'll just get our second guy. No, you don't settle for a quarterback. You go and get your guy. And if it cost you an extra second round pick, okay, you know you do that for a guy that you think could be the leader of your franchise for the

long term. And so I think Buffalo high very high chance we see Buffalo trade into somewhere in the top five picks, whether that's it could be New York at two, could be Indie at three, It could be Cleveland at four. The Jets, they have so many quarterbacks on that roster, they still have Hackenburg. Are they just gonna cut him? Do they? Yeah? They I don't know what they're gonna do with all those quarterbacks, but I think the answer about the long term there isn't one. And so what

are they gonna do? Are they trade up to the top five, cut Petty and Hackenburg? Draft a guy? And have you know Teddy be your your week? Word is option with him behind him? Word is that Woody Johnson, the owner, and Mike mcagnan, they they they by directive, were having that their scouting department go to every one of those games at usc UCLA, Oklahoma. They should about they were, they were scouting every one of those games.

Which and to that point about the Bills, you don't trade up to twelve this far before the draft just to hang out there, you know, like if they were content to see, if they were content to wait for like Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson to fall down the board before they trade it, they would have just stayed at twenty one, like the fact that they're positioning themselves here tells me they're going they're going to let me ask you this though, Okay and okay, now we're talking

about what some chaos that could happen at the top of that board. Does that make things expensive for the Cowboys? Now if they want to get up, say we've we've talked about Miami as a potential landing spot at eleven, does that make Does that affect them in any way They're like, hey, you know there, are they going to have to maybe overpay we We kind of feel like though that that could be that had for the fifth overall pick. So they're gonna be competing with another Yeah,

that's what I'm saying. Are they as looking for a quarterback? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Is that going to affect the way that the Cowboys are they gonna Is it gonna be Is it gonna make it too pricey for them to go up and have to get a guy? I don't think so. Um, because I don't think. I don't think this trade this team is going to trade under the top ten. If they do trade up, well, I know I was kind of hanging in eleven I was trying.

I was trying to hang at that Miami position where you know that is, And I mean we've been we've been pinpointing twelve for weeks, right, and now that seems unlikely because it's either the Bills who are looking for a quarterback or the team they trade with who has already traded down one. See. What I'm saying is is somebody is if if Buffalo doesn't move at twelve, if they sit at twelve, and that's as far as they can get, is Miami's pick gonna be too expensive for

somebody to try and get ahead of Buffalo. Probably That's where That's what I'm trying to say, right, there's no Miami might be one of the teams it's not going to trade up for a quarterback. We don't know. Yeah, yeah, Bryan Tannehill can't stay healthy and you know the See, I'm trying to find spots for the Cowboys to get to and I'm and I'm now I think I'm gonna have some trouble here. Who's who's it? Thirteen thirteen Washington? It really depends on how the first on a top

ten plays out. And fourteen's Green Bay fourteen's Green Bay. Yeah, it's a three to four. That's it's a three to four. I don't love this. See that's what I'm saying. I was I'm glad you got to explain the quarterback thing of maybe driving a guy. That was my first point. Second point is though, what if I want to go get a guy, Is it gonna be too expensive or is Miami? Is somebody gonna hold you up thinking that they've got value as long as those quarterbacks are still

on the board. I think this is a draft where there will be teams that are will be perfectly okay with trading back twice. So let's just say that would be nice. Let's say it's Indie. Say Buffalo goes up to number three, they go, they call Chris Ballard, they get the third pick for what twelve, twenty two, and like, what next year's three if that could have done? And so Indie's picking at twelve, Dallas wants to get up

to twelve. I don't think Chris Ballard would wouldn't mind at all picking up another Day two pick to go back a few spots and still feel good about the player he's getting at nineteen. If Ballard were to go to Buffalo at twelve. Then for Dallas, that's that's again we've talked about this before. Dallas would have to be that's still a second round pick, as we've talked about.

You know, you're right, would Ballard be okay picking up a middle of the board guy because middle board pick Indianapolis would then have pick nineteen twenty two and multiple Day two picks. And I think Indie's a team. They're talent poor. We saw them. They need more. Yeah, exactly so in this type of draft where it's not necessarily

top heavy. Now it might be for a team like the Cowboys who need a specific linebacker, need to specific safety, right whoever they need or whoever they're going up for. But for a team like the Colts, who are just looking for talented players, they have no problem. I don't or I don't think they'll have a problem trading back, getting more picks in the middle of the first round, middle late first round, and then into Day two where there's a little more depth. I'm kind of getting your

head spending a little bit. No, I want he has made a great explanation why it's gonna be tough. I think, you know, but I mean, I like what he's saying about Bauer. I think he's the one guy that will collect picks. And you talk about trading back, you don't think back. You don't think the Giants fit that description. I think the Giants would too. I think the Giants too, but I think the price would be too much. I

was gonna say, I don't. Also, division trades get a little dicey sometimes, I'm and we don't have a lot of experience to go on with this. But the I mean the Cowboys, the DeMarcus Lawrence trade was with Washington, right, yeah, so I mean crazy your things have happened. I don't I'm not saying it's not or wouldn't happen, but just teams might be they might ask for a little bit

more than they would from an AFC South team. M but you know this is a team that, uh you know, we know that they're gonna have their eye on a few plays. Look, they haven't done anything free agency yet, right Wait, what they haven't I know, uh spoiler, but it's something's gonna happen here in the next week. You know, we don't know what yet. It might be as something as simple as adding offensive line depth. It might be a bigger move, uh, like adding a safety or a

wide receiver. We don't know linebackers. I think I would go right exactly. So something's gonna happen here in free agency the next week. Maybe by the time we reconvene on Monday for the draft show. That could change your thinking a little bit. So I hope not by Monday. I'm trying to enjoy my weekend. Personally. We're still in a wait and see mode with free agency. I don't think they're not a big shock that the Cowboys haven't done anything. They haven't made a splash yet. You know,

the first wave is kind of passed. Now it's that second, you know, third tier of the free agent market. We'll have to see what they do. I expected to do something I don't. Don't doesn't mean it needs to be something big, but I think something will happen. I'll put you on the I'll put you on the spot here, Dave Hellman. You never do that, and you know I don't have to hold you to it, but I mean, just just don't go go Do they do they stay or go up? In this draft? Uh? Well, I'm glad

you said that because the conversation we just had. I think, you know, we've been talking about going up a lot, and it's still something that intrigues me. But the circumstances surrounding the teams in front of them don't look all that favorable, right, right, But I wonder if so instead of hoping to trade up, maybe you hope a situation

arises where you can get that trade down. I mean, you know, for instance, like I said, Buffalo wouldn't have done what they did if they were content to let a quarterback fall to them, right, But it is more realistic to think, you know, maybe Lamar Jackson falls to where you're at, maybe a New Orleans Saints or a you know, whoever's back there that's got a later pick might be interested in doing something like that. Maybe it's more realistic to hope you can trade out of the

pick than trade up from the pick. Stay or go? Do they stay? It's which, to answer your question more directly, like, if the opportunity presents itself to go, I'm still willing to do that. I just don't know how realistic you think. Do you think we're likely it is a stay or go back? Yeah? I think that's kind of where I have trend right now. Yeah, I think odds are they're

going to stay. Okay, I think that's I think. And the more I think about this, the way you laid things out, you need Chris Baller to want to be you want. You need Chris ball to be Chris Baller to be in a trading mode. I think you do. Yeah, I think you need somebody. I do think you need to zero in on one team. No, but I think somebody. But you need somebody willing and somebody that wants to collect picks. That's what you need to do. And I think this draft they'll have a There'll be a few.

Is it clear? One guy over here? Is it realistic to think the Browns might want to do that with their fourth pick? Yeah, and that's there will be a lot of Browns fans because the Browns I'll trade it back in the first round like a million. Then then they'll go, oh, here we go and to do it again. And but okay, they're gonna get the quarterback on one. I think it'll be Darnold. I don't it'll be a quarterback though. At four, it'll be interesting to see who's there.

If Barkley is there, and they pass there, you know, they'll light the city on fire. I think Bradley Chubb is gonna be awfully appealing. But if Buffalo, if they're if they can't get up, say the Jets give India a better deal, chap up to three. Buffalo tries to chap to four and they offer, you know, two first round picks. Yeah. So and if you're Cleveland, and yes, it would. I don't know, I'd be tough to trade out of the top four. But you're picking up two

first rounders in the process. Yeah. If let's say they did that deal with Buffalo, what would they does Buffalo still have both of those picks? Are just one? They's got one. They gave it twenty one, twenty one, said Cincinnati, right, twelve and twenty two. Yeah, they have twelve and twenty two. So you get your quarterback and then you can add twelve and twenty two. Yeah, and so you still get you still get a blue Ship guy at twelve. And we need to remember too, this is a team that's

now looking for a left tackle. Yeah. Yeah, Joe Thomas if he'll be in the Hall of Fame and five's that guy on my board. Get him at twenty two. That's what I say. You're not drafting a tackle at four. Yeah, okay, And I'm getting a lot of questions about Quittin Nelson about you're not drafting Quittin Nelson at four and putting him at left tackle. It's just not what you're gonna do.

So yeah, if you're gonna the Browns might be in a position where instead of having to trade up from thirty three into the twenties to get your tackle, maybe you do trade back so you can target your tackle either if they might have to reach a little bit at twelve, or maybe you wait till twenty two. If you're okay with a few different names, that's something that

I think they'll be open to. I mean, John Dorsey is a guy that is not afraid to move around in the draft, and as he gets his quarterback, I don't I don't know if Bradley up or say Quon Barkley will knock his socks off enough. The best thing that can happen for John Dorsey might be for say Quan to go two to the Giants. That way, it takes that out of his hand life easier exactly. It doesn't have to worry about the pr of passing on on Barkeley. He could fake throw his pen like I would. Yeah,

that kind of thing. I act like you're mad, and you're really not mad, right exactly. So I just I'm just kind of wondering. I'm I want to go aggressive and try. I just don't know, the price of poker now might be too aggress too much for me to have to think about getting up in the top twelve unless I have somebody that's just will into bow. Here you go, Okay, it's got a text from John Dorsey. Yeah,

they just drafted Braley Chub at four. Yeah, okay, they are offering you Ogba mhm and pick thirty three to move up to nineteen. What do you do? Yep, yep, you in on that. Yeah, let's do it. So you're not picking in the first round this year, but you take up Emmanuel Aden, you pick up the first week you tried to draft. You tried to draft a few years ago. So you didn't you like him? Yeah, it

was your guy, and you don't. I mean, we've talked to nauseum about how we we're not necessarily in love with most of our options at nineteen anyway, But we're trade away maybe potentially from Dane's receiver. We're getting, we're trading, we're trading away. We're trading away from your receiver, and we're trading away from his receiver. Bokay, that's what I mean, hey,

cost of doing business. You get a starter caliber player in the trade, and then at thirty three you can absolutely pick a starter, whether that's a guard or a linebacker. Or I feel a lot better drafting Laton vander Esh at thirty three than nineteen. Tell you that, or Rashaan Evans for that matter, Yeah, or who else? Who else we got? I mean, maybe Will Hernandez, Maybe DJ Moore could be there at thirty three. You can't rule that out. I mean, I don't think. I think there's some people

on their boards that have DJ Moore above Ridley. I know there are, but I'm sure. I mean, I mean, I'm just saying. I'm just saying he's not He's not in that. We'll see who really likes DJ Moore in this first round. Yeah, that'll be the team. You're into that with that trade offer, Brian, I'm trying to think about this team and defensive end, he's going to play right defensive end for me wherever you want them to play.

Think about the big picture there. Because I am DeMarcus is on a one year deal, we'd have no idea what's going to happen with a pure that's a big picture play. Taco Charlton is hopefully going to develop. But I mean, yeah, and this is a guy you wanted. This is a guy you would have drafted if he had not been taken what two picks before. But do you feel like though that the receiver position is more imperiled than the defensive line position. No, because you can

this goes I like. I like the scenario though, but but my man is telling me here, we haven't done anything in five years on my receiving corps. I like my chances of finding a good receiver between later in the top one hundred than I do a pass rusher pass tell you what he's given up on the receivers other than DJ. No, you always try to do that, like you always try to It's always black and white

with you. That's not true. There's no audience that only one receiver will be off the board by thirty three. So I mean you still had your choice of plenty of talented receivers in this draft. It's not me giving up on a receiver. It's me saying there are receivers who can be drafted later, who can contribute at fifty or eighty one or one sixteen. How many great or even how many serviceable pass rushers get drafted outside of

like the top sixty. I love Calvin Ridley, but if you're telling me I can have either Calvin Ridley or Emmanuel Ogba and you're going to numbers, aren't you, Anthony Miller or whoever your third receiver is, just say DJ Moore is not there. Yes, you know, I'm probably taking the ladder just because I'm getting a good pass rusher and a good receiver as opposed to, you know, an above average receiver. So and again, I love Calvin Ridley,

but I'm probably taking option be there. And that doesn't mean that we don't like Ridley and DJ Moore, it's just no. I'm just I'm curious though, because he made a very passionate plea the other day about why you would why in a mock draft, why you would take Calvin Ridley. He made a very good he made a

very good, very good speech about it. But I mean enough to make it true, enough to make me think, hey, at nineteen, if I got a fifty fifty chance a drafting the best receiver, who I feel like, I feel like he'd come in and helped his team. You know, isn't I feel like a first team for this year's show is like, there's not much in the way of pass rush help for this team. And the way this board stacks up, have we taking it thirty three? Courtland Sutton,

Anthony Miller, Will Hernandez Isaiah Wynnum. Who am I forget a linebacker? Yeah, there's any number of guys. Well, I mean we've talked a million times about traffic trading down to like twenty six. I mean it's the same range. Yeah, you're talking about the same specifically, maybe for a guard at that point in time, the Will her Nand is of the world. I bet you, I guarantee you there will be a guard, linebacker, or receiver that you feel good about there at thirty three. Let's also remember pick

thirty three has a little extra value. It's that first pick in the second round where after everyone goes home Thursday and night, it starts the day everyone crade that thing back. Everyone resets their board and they look, oh wow, he's still there. Oh no, he's still there too. You might get pick up an extra third round or to move back five spots in the second round if we finished day if we finished Day one with the first pick on Friday, Brian wouldn't be able to sleep that night,

like be so geeked. Yeah, I like it. I like it though, that's what you know what again, I just trying to I'm just trying to listen to what you think about Ridley. I'm trying to listen to what you think about DJ Moore, and I'm thinking, like you know what, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw away both those I'm gonna throw away both chances to go for those guys. What do we what do we learn about this team every March.

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be set for what happened in Arlington for those three days. Okay, David Helm, we go ahead a little twitter on the twenty Twitter. Yeah, well you guys know how I love segues so based in you know, considering what we just talked about, mister Vaya hosts, Yeah, it's a question about so let's let's just say they do trade up to ten or the tennis range. Yeah, like we were just talking about. We love to talk about Rokuan and Derwin, but is there a guy that they would do that

for that we're not talking about. We kind of talked about this last week, but a name if you would fall, Minka Fitzpatrick. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah, and say, you know, Cleveland, with all these quarterbacks going top five, Barkeley is going to go somewhere in the top ten or quarterbacks going top ten. Barkeley's going on top ten. Nelson probably goes top ten. Durwin, Uh, there's a chance that Minka could fall a little bit. He's a top

five player in this draft in my opinion. He can play outside, corner, play free seat, you can play a nickel, play anywhere you want. If he were available, he is absolutely worth trading up for with what he can bring to this secondary. And some people might look at him and say, oh, well, you know, Byron Jones, he could play coronicles, safety wasn't great at either fits Minka's the the exception where yes he's versatile where he can play different spots, but he can also be above average close

to elite in several different spots as well. So it's not a Byron Jones situation. You draft him at ten purely to play safety, like, forget the rest of that. Probably I have in my in my scouting, in my book, he'll be an outside corner just because I think that's the worst value is the best. But for this team,

he'd be a free safety. Yeah, what's funny safety and play him an Outsideyeah, it's funny you say that because too, because you think about people are asking about Tyron Matthew, you know, and Tyron Matthew is very is very positioned specific scheme specific. Yeah, and you know you talk about a guy that has the flexibility to play outside, play slot, play deep. That's Mica Fitzpatrick, right, and and and be

a good tackler. You know. The thing about the thing with Tyron Matthew now is Tyron Matthew has become a slot player blitzer, but he's lost that ability to tackle. He's not as good at as he once was. Again and so, but he has to be very specific where you play him. Ty He's tough because he's coming off the ACL two years ago and he was rusty last year. Yeah, and so I think he'll be better this year. Sure, but you're still committing a lot of money trying to

bet on. I think he'll be better coverage, you know, And so that's just he's gonna get you. Watch year, watch him play coverage he could cover, you know, and he's but he will gamble too. I mean, he will give up some big plays, but that has been his career. He can make big plays and he could give up big plays. But I think he's he's specific for what a scheme. You have to have a plan for him. If this team is not going to be creative with

how they call him down. No, I'll be fascinated to see his market though, because I mean, I agree with you. I think he can still command twelve thirteen dollars a year. But I've had conversations with football people who think that his history is enough to drop that price. Yeah. We well, we talk about undersized safeties and how a lot of teams that scares them away. That's Tyron, Matthew and that's why he's not that true safety, because he's really has

the size of a corner. Yeah. I would do cartwheels if they were to acquire him, but I don't know how good of a fit he actually is for this team, right, if you got to use them the right way. Um, all right, this is a this is a question that I really like from from a listener of ours down in Argentina. Uh, we talk about how many picks they have and how they can use that to move around. They've got four comp picks ten total. We think we all agree they're not going to use them, all right,

So what are those comp pics actually worth? So they which I just I think it's interesting. You can sit there, you know, you can sit there and say like, well, maybe they use a fourth and a fifth to get up, but like how far does a fourth and a fix fifth actually get you? I think there's a lot of misconceptions. You've got the numbers, yeah, I do, Okay. They have pick one thirty seven in the fourth round. One thirty

seven is worth thirty eight points on their board. They have pick one seventy one in the fifth round that is worth twenty three on their board. They have pick one seventy three in the fifth round that is worth twenty two on their board. And they have picked two o eight in the sixth round that is worth eight on their board. All right, So how much is pick eighty one worth? Pick eighty one David Hellman is worth

one eighty five one? All right? See, And that's that's exactly what I'm talking about, right there is even just dropping all the way. I mean, so you're not even dropping halfway from you know, from pick one third from pick eighty one to one thirty seven. I mean it's a fraction, right, So even if you're packaging multiple of these picks, I mean, how far up? How how Let's all right, let's just say you throw one thirty seven with one eighty one, or excuse me with eighty one.

Saw you throw eighty one one with one thirty seven, so you got eighty one? Help me with matths it's one eighty five and then one thirty seven. Uh, well, one eighty five is no, it's worth eighty one is worth one eighty five. And how much is one thirty seven worth? And one is worth that's worth thirty eight? Right, So that gives you what two hundred and fifteen total points or something like that. So how far up can

that get you? Well, the probably if we did it on the chart, though, let's see say in the second round you're talking about going some fifty up or how far up could you go from fifty with that? Okay? From fifty or at four hundred? Okay, so say you want to go to You've got two hundred total points to move with. Yeah, you got two hundred tild You could go to the top of the round if you wanted to, I'll call that. So fifty plus eighty one

plus that right, get you there? Right? Okay, you got the top because pick thirty three is worth five eighty. That's one hundred and eighty points right there. But these all right, but you could do it with You could do it with just the third round pick if you wanted to. Yeah, which I guess is my point, which I think they are going to use these picks to move around but too, but let's not kid ourselves and say that you can jump half around with pick one

thirty seven and pick two away. That's not how it works right now, but you but you can maybe move up two spots with those picks. Well, yeah, what you could do is though you could find a way though people. People will sometimes sell short and they'll say, okay, yeah, give me that pick and that pick. You know, it gives you at least it gives you flexibility. It will be,

it will be. It gives you the ability to say, Okay, hey, we want your pick, but and we'll kick in that that fourth round pick, right, we'll kick in a fifth round pick. I guess, I guess that's the point I want to make, is that you need to do damage with the You need to do damage with eighty one, four and five. You do your you do your damage, and those are in the game. You've got that right there. You've got two fourth round picks, two fifth round picks,

am I right? And yeah, three sixth round picks. Right, we only charted out the compic right. But yeah, but but but you know what I'm saying, You've got the you've got the picks to say, okay, package both your fours. You know how much is one sixteen worth? Real quick? One sixteen is worth? Make me look at these things today. I appreciate you doing this though it's worth sixty two? So what what's God? I'm so bad at math that's

what I mean. That's where one hundred points right, Yeah, like even see that, that's enough to get somebody to talk to you. Yeah, somebody will talk to you if you've got picks. It's see, hey, how about next years. We'll give you next year's three. We'll give you next year's four. Right, you're not picking now, you're kind of like, Okay, that'll be nice to have next year. That's what i'd like to see them do. I'd like them to take one of this year's fours and get a three next year. Yeah,

that's what I would like to see it. Or even a trade of five for a four next year. Yeah, that's what I would That's yeah, if you get to a certain point in time, you could do it with those sixes. Now you can do it. You can say, hey, we'll take next year five. And it's basically what the Zevier Wills. I'm gonna say that that for Xavier Wills, right, yeah,

exactly exactly right. So yeah, it's it's it's a nice little arsenal that helps you get things done, but you can't get things done with just these Yeah, you've got it. You've got to be again, you've got to use your own picks plus two compensatories, like you know, give me two fours, give me two fives. Right, you know, that's how these things work. As long as we're talking about this, Dylan has a question. Cowboys put the tender on David

Irving yesterday. Yeah, if somebody were to sign him away, they would get a second round pick for it, which, again, all right, let's just hypothetically say that that that happens. David Irving is a Miami Dolphin and you have a second round pick. Um again, so that gives you eleven picks and four big time picks. Yeah, that gives me two first, that gives me a one and two twos. You think that you think it's more likely they make

all those picks? Or do you When you have something as valuable as two twos, do you use it to try to go somewhere? We want to keep picking in the top one hundred, don't we? You do? Plus, you have to factor in that you're losing a player and that creates another need, a big time player. Right, So you know, if you're looking on those defense, yeah he's a three, you're picking up a two, and that's great,

but you're also creating another need. So yeah, maybe you could take both those twos and go up to get you know, if there's two Well, I'm just saying, if you wanted to go up into the second round, if you want to go up high in the second round, if you wanted to go to Cleveland spot that we were talking about, that Cleveland spot to get a Taven Bryan, Yeah, three technique or something like that. Yeah, right, you're losing, you're losing it. Yeah, just for exactly, That's exactly I

pulled Miami out of nowhere. But I'm just okay, So if you did that, you would have pick forty two. So does it make more sense to do that and try to go up and get a better player or just pick at forty two and fifty and assuming you make good picks, I mean, that's two guys who should

start for you, I would hope. So we get three picks inside the top fifty, right, And it depends what you want, you know, like, okay, if if you need a three technique, if you want a draft a three technique, who you're taken, let's just I mean, let's just yeah, no, I know, I'm with y'all. Let's stay cursed off the board for the sake of the conversation. And you know, I mean Taven, Bryan's probably your best bet. After Taven and Brian, who's the next best three technique? This draft

is void of under tackles. Yeah, it no doubt about that. There's not a lot of options. And so Shepherd, I love Shepherd. You're fort Wayne Guy or Hayes excuse me, I mean the guys I would me targeting personally. Shepherd and Brian would be the two guys I would look at, and both are gonna go somewhere in the second round. Yeah, probably before you pick. Yeah, Brian might go in the first round. Yeah. So again because just like the offensive tackles, these guys are gonna go early because of the lack

of depth in this class. I mean it's maybe maybe it's a situation where you sit there and you move, you do move, You move our guy back to from one to three, you know, Malik, Yeah, I think I think they should right. That's just because again this is we've talked about it at length. The amount of one technique or nose tackles in this class. It's I mean, for you, I don't want to I don't want to win these guys. In the first round he can, I'll pass on Veya and those guys. But in the second round,

you're telling me I can get a Harrison Phillips. Yeah, I was gonna ask you about it. I was gonna ask you about Phillips. Could Phillips play three? I don't think it's his strength? No, no, he could. I don't think it's a strength though. But I mean give me, give me b J. Hill in the third round. Give me uh you know the Yukon kid. You can find about the brown kid from North Carolina, from Virginia, Andrew Brown,

Andrew Brown. I don't want him, but that's just man, that's but I no, no, yeah, no, no, no, I was just throwing a name. I was just throwing a name down the line. Yeah. I mean played better than the senior ball than he did on Virginia tape. There's no question. I got a four or five on him, and I think he'll go a lot higher than that. That's I'm saying he's got He's got like two three talent though, doesn't he that's probably yeah, based on just ability.

I mean, a former five star guy who there's a lot of unrealized potential there sounds like the way they draft off in defensive linement round. Oh, I was gonna say, I mean, I know, I kind of I tuned with part of that conversation out because I'm just like, they're not going to draft a defensive tackle that high and they're just not going to. They did it with Malik they did so third round. Gotta give him credit for that. Yeah, but I just I don't believe it when I see it.

It's just crazy, though. I mean, he's right though. If there's a position that doesn't have a lot of depth in it, it set under tackle spot technique, a three technique. Now you want a one go all day, Yeah, you could go all day with those cats. I think they got some three technique traits the kid at South Florida. Yeah, short but one gap player. Yeah, I don't He's not

gonna be a penetrator in the NFL though. I don't think he can get up field because he's he's a good athlete and he plays with the energy that you want. But I don't think he's gonna be a consistent upfield player. Disagree with you on that because he's more of a he's more of a one for me. Yeah, I don't know. I watched him. He's like a disruptive guy. Yeah. I mean, but I think there's a different I mean to get some good I mean I'm watching to play good teams.

I mean they're not. Yeah, I just think there's a difference between being an interior pass rusher and being able to know. So the way you would have this if I'm correct, of those ones that are left, would it be Phillips pain in him? Would that? How would be for you? My top one technique's Veya payin Phillips sonat Yeah Hill, naughty Fatakasi. Yeah, so that those guys, Yeah, I'm with you. One guy, I don't We haven't talked about much as a three technique. That could be a

possibility to Shawn Hand from Alabama. Yeah, he's a good player. He had a good week of the Senior Bowl, waited his turn at Alabama. Um, he might not be a bad day two option. Yeah, people on people on the people on periscope saying come on ya could play the three? People love Veya like. I think if you pulled the fan base, I think he would be one of the absolute top vote getters. Who would you I'm gonna put you on the spot on this and this is we

gotta go after this one. You know, you know, me and my taco kind of you know that kind of that kind of went ah saw, you know when ya thank you Taco. But he's I will make me look really bad. But who who does that? Out of Veya? That who who added that group? Kind of if they took him at at nineteen, you would kind of go ah um, I mean, we know how I feel with the guards. Yeah, I know that. Yeah, I mean, Veya so talented. But if I'm talking about the just about

the player, I'm talking about the position. What player would make you go you know, probably uh probably probably one of the guards, whether it's Win or I mean, I don't I don't think there is a what if they took more? Fine, Okay, you're okay with the receiver. You have no problem with the receiver. The president of the fan club, I okay, I'm with you there, Okay, go ahead, But again, I think I don't think there's a player that they would take at nineteen that would How about

the linebacker from Alabama? I like Evans, He's a good plauser. If those are my two the Evans and vander Esch. They if they were the pick at nineteen, I would go, Okay. See the problem with Taco last year was passing on oh No, and so I'm so I'm trying to think this at the corner, I think he's going to be a good Well, I'm trying to think of a player where they I could see them passing on a better

player at that position. And I don't know if you know, because it's like if they took Tremi and Edmunds over Roal quant Smith, No, they're not going to be there. But if they did take Que, or they did take Tremaine over Roque one, that would make me go, you know, like yeah, I feel like they passed on the better player at the position like they did last year with Watton Taco. This year, I don't know if I necessarily see that with this group where there's an obvious better player,

but they might prefer someone else. Because even if they took more O a Ridley, I wouldn't be that upset because as much as I like Ridley, I love more too. What if they if they what if they took what if they took one of those tight ends at nineteen. Yeah, that would that would upset me too. Yeah, that wouldn't

make much sense. Okay, I think it may. In a way, it's a little bit easier this year because at nineteen you're talking about the back end of the first round talent, whereas at twenty eight you're trying to make sense of

the start of the round two talent. You know, it's there's a much more diverse cast of characters, Whereas I really feel like by the time you get to nineteen, you're gonna have a pretty clear cut There's gonna be a pretty clear cut two or three name bunch that's gonna make a lot more sense than the rest of the options. Right right, good answer. A pair of skipt calling me a hater. You are a hater, Josh sitting just sound with the Dolphins. Hey, other guard off the board? Yeah,

my guy, My guys signed with you. Saw my guy yesterday? Dane the guard? That the guard. They are going to sign a guard. I'll stake my I don't have much revisitation. Well, it's not going to happen on Friday of the first week of free agency. It's gonna happen. Vale should sign a guy from the Saint should I loved him out of Washington, Nys gonna happen in a week and a half. All right, you're gonna go huh who We gotta take a break. We'll be right back with the draft show.

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to you for some tell me more please. I decided to switch it up today because we do two shows a week now and there's still six weeks to the draft, so I don't think with forty days left, I'm not sure we need to be digging through seventh round picks and undrafted free I think people enjoy the fact that going and looking at guys. No, they do, they do, But I just I there's basically and you guys watched way more tape than me. But I feel like there's

bigger names that kind of fell through the cracks. So I wanted to pick out a couple of those, uh, you know, maybe first, second, third round considerations that I feel like we haven't talked about on this show, and Dan actually alluded to one of them. I know we've said his name, but I feel like, he's not a guy we talk a lot about. So tell me more about Florida defensive tackle Taven Bryan. I compared him to Robert Candici. Just he's a really good athlete who can

get up the field. He just scared everybody in well not often feel just just on the field. But there are some discipline issues, technique issues. It's great you have the athleticism, but it doesn't mean much if it doesn't translate the football production. Right there's a guy who had ten and a half tackles for loss in his career at Florida, and trust a tape, not the stat sheet, but I think it translates where what you see on tape, you don't see a guy that's making consistent plays in

the backfield. Now, you watch his highlights and always signed me up first round, right, But when you watch the tape, the full body of work, that's where you realize he's a very inconsistent player right now. But you project him forward and I think you do see the ability to be a much better player than he is right now. Where does that put his value in the draft. Wouldn't be shocked at all if he goes top twenty in a top thirty somewhere somewhere in the twenties, right, But

I put a second round great on him. I think on my top fifty board he was somewhere like thirty three thirty four. Is im so a good player? He definitely earned his Wyoming wild Man label label. Yeah, because he's he's like the first Wyoming player to ever good Florida. But there are some questions there not a slam dunk player. Yeah, I'll tell you what. I think. Dane got him exactly right. I mean, this is a relentless guy. When you watch him on tape, he does not stop. I mean he

just keeps coming at you, coming at you. Sometimes he gets knocked off balance. He's always trying to make plays. I then d comparisons. I could see that because how disruptive those guys were. So. Yeah, but he's a better person off the field. Yeah, you don't have to worry about directly on the field. Yeah, this guy right here is as tough as they come. His dad is a

Navy seal. Yeah, and relentless. He raised him just you would not he would not be Again, there's there's sometimes where he's good for two, three, four plays, and then there's other times you kind of seem disappeared a little bit. But again, the effort, intensity and all that is okay, But he just can't hurt you in the run game,

you know. Yeah, that's where the discipline us come up, exactly if he doesn't need to be in the backfield every play, but if he's hurting you in the run game and he's taking himself out of plays, that's where he's hurting you. And that's what you worry about with him. This guy is universally I've seen him as a top forty prospect on every list I've ever looked at. And

obviously Cowboys aren't super corner needy. But I really feel like we've never talked about Colorado corner Isaiah Oliver, Like I don't know that his name has ever come up on this show. If he has, I don't remember it. Well. It's funny because when you you watch last year watching Cheeto, you're watching what Tedric Thompson was a safe je Witherspoon the other corner, and yet it was Oliver number twenty six. He kept popping off the screen, which he was doing

the other cornerback there. But he was a sophomore, so we couldn't come out. Went back for his junior year this past season, and he was just as productive, I mean, had double digit passes defended, a bigger guy, good athlete, was the cathalon athlete in high school and at Colorado, So there's a lot to like there. Uh. He's a guy that not necessarily quick twitch, but good size, uses length well. He's consistently within arm's length of the receiver,

so he can make plays on the football. Well built for the position. I think smaller quicker receivers will give him some trouble at times, but as an outside corner, I think he's that classic press man type of guy who can help you out on the outside. This is a guy that the Cowboys might really like. That's I mean because now and Dane once again hit him. He's six foot, he's two oh one. You know, you look

at the measurables and stuff there. The speed is write about four or five one, you know, let's see and you and we talk about reach thirty three and a half on the arms. This is a guy. This is this has Chris Richard written all over it. As a guy that they'll probably have a lot higher. And I wouldn't be surprised if we're sitting there and maybe not at not at at nineteen, but if they said something, Hey, you know you talked about moving guys around that three

that we're getting. Yeah, yeah, No, I mean, here's a guy that has tremendous length. He really really does, and he's a tall guy, and Dane's right. I The thing about him is, though I watched him play press because of the length, you know, maybe he's a guy you can flip because he's a he's got that kind of that start stop quickness stuff press man Corner. This might be a guy that's pretty high on their board when it's all said and done. Carlton Davis or is they

Oliver I have I have? I have Davis higher on my board. Carlton Davis is A yeah. I think they're they're stacked for me, and they're pretty similar, you know, bigger guys, they're right there. I mean, I'm good athletes. It's a great conversation that we don't have time for today, but it kind of goes back to last year. You know, they spent so many resources on Corner. You gotta feel good about their depth chart at cornerback right now, but you could put yourself to the test in terms of,

you know, window dressing your board. I mean, what if you wind up where a cornerback is obviously the best option available to you. There's a good chance that happens, because this is the cornerback class is the best, the most, the strongest position this year and this year's draft hidden's pretty good though too. It isn't running back cornerbacks better, And I think with the way this league is set up,

I'm not sure you could turn that down. Yeah. You, um, this guy did some freaky stuff at the combine, and I feel like we don't talk about him. Florida states Josh Sweat, not liking that side. I think I liked them better than how are you broad ested? You did? You did? And it's go ahead if you want to describe him well and they see about the kid, let me start with the negative. Oh wait, that's my job. Well, just because you have to talk about it, get it out of the way. Is the medicals have to come

back clean. Yeah, he had a devastating knee injury his senior year in high school. Yeah, he was a he was a five star guy. He was kind of tabbed that next Jadeveon Clowney and he likes like with just his body type and everything, so he he has that type of ability. But again you worry about the knee. Uh, that has to check out, okay, but he didn't barely miss any time over his care at Florida State, so it's just more of a long term question mark than

anything else. This is a guy that can bend the corner. He's athletic, um, he doesn't always have that rush plan that you want, kind of just relying on that athleticism kind of like you. But you don't have to use the first round pick on him, right You can get him on day two and develop him and build him up.

And as long as the medicals check out okay, and they give you two thumbs up where he's still gonna be on or he's gonna play through his rookie contract and without any trouble, that's a that's a perfect day two target. I want to can I can I just ask you about a different guy because we're right Yeah, No, I mean I again, he's right about the guy. I just I think he's laid off the snap and I see him get bounced. That kind of Bothers me about the guy he gets bounced out of place. I well,

they's got down on him. Maybe I can get you a guy that you're up on. I don't know, we'll see. Um. This is again, you know I talk about after Davenport and Landry, you don't see a lot in the way of pass rushing options about George's Lorenzo Carter. I've seen this guy mocked in the first a few times. I see him high up on all these lists. Again, not sure we've ever talked about him. Well, and the reason he's being monked in the first is six five two fifty nine, a four four six forty. I like it.

He's got thirty four inch arms. He's just he's a freak. So what's the bad part. Well, he's always been a freak. And yet you know he didn't have great sack production in college. He's very lean, doesn't have the play strength that you want. I don't where are you gonna play him. That's that's a big issue, because I don't think I have this outside linebacker and I'm not sure that's the spot that might be his best pot. I put him there,

and I'm not sure about it. He's not a traditional hand on the ground, plush the edge because he doesn't have he doesn't play with that power. But he's more of a jack of all trades, master of none. Where you stand him up, let him use that athleticism where he can rush at times where he can drop. He can use his range, but that's more of a luxury than a you know, focal point of your of your defense.

So if you're going to draft him high, you know, top fifty, which good chance he goes that high because the measurables. You better have a plan for him, and maybe a team will you know a team you know like uh, like the way they Seahawks use Bruce irvn or you know one of these other guys that don't necessarily fit a hand on the ground end, or you know a stand up linebacker that kind of a mix of both. He's a hybrid player, And as long as you have a plan for him, he's probably worth a

pick in the top fifty, top sixty. But I don't know, there's some question. The thing that probathered me the most about he absorbs blocks for a long arm guy doesn't know how to use him. He just does not. I mean, people get on him and he is struggling to get off them. So yeah, I had a real problem. He's like all arms and legs when he rushes, very la. I mean, it's just it's it's kind of like watch him do that, but he dever gets the corner. Yeah,

it's like, you're going, Okay, get the court. And I watch him against Notre Dame because I want to see him play against mcclinchy, and mcclinchy just wore him out this year, and I'm like, that's the kind of guy you're gonna be playing against the NFL exactly. You know, I come in with like five names in this segment every week, and I'm pumped about all of them, and I usually only come away still excited about one by the time. Y'all, Hey, at least it's the names, right, Yeah,

it's the name. Sorry, all right, hey, listen, Thanks everybody out there for joining us today on the Draft Show. We appreciate that. It's always fun to get to talk to you guys about this. We'll be back Monday, right, we do it again, Monday at ten am. Ye, Monday at ten am, Draft time. Like the days are running together, Monday at ten am, under forty days exactly, so for Dane Burglar, David helmet Kin, Garrison, I'm Brian Bruss. Keep watching the tape. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks,