Draft Show: Grade That Prospect

Draft here in twenty twenty. As we keep rolling on looking forward to the combine coming up in just a couple of weeks. We are the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, David Hellman, I'm Kyle Yoman's. Thanks so much for joining us, and guys, we are eleven weeks now from the start of the NFL Draft. We're five weeks into the show. Are we even that much closer to finding out what the Dallas Cowboys are gonna do in this draft than we were when we

started five weeks ago? You kind of freaked me out just there, Honestly, what we were over one hundred days when we started the show and it's already down near two months seventy seven. I'm taking some liberties, but still we're getting It's not a lot, it's creeping ever so slowly, but steadily. And I don't know did to that question, did you do you all feel like you have a good grasp on this thing yet? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I got it nailed at the Cowboys, do I got it nailed?

I saw a tweet from Dave the other day that I totally agreed with. We're gonna go forever leading up to the draft and everyone is gonna mock Grant Delpit or Xavier McKinney to the Cowboys. Yeah, when they actually we get to seventeen, the Cowboys and maybe us won't necessarily feel like either one is worth the seventeenth pick. Ye,

they'll both be there. Either somebody will have slid to them that'll get picked please Javon Kinla, or they'll trade back and then pick one of these secondary guys, either

a corner or safety. Yeah. I know what they're doing. Yeah, we're gonna have to look at all these mocks that say they're gonna take a safety at seventeen, and then they'll move back to take That's that's where my head is at like every year, every year, there's always a team that is just linked to a guy or two or a handful of guys for months and it never comes to fruition that cleanly. And that's how I feel

about Delpit and McKinney. We're gonna shock the world. Get ready Henry Ruggs or Jalen Rager at seventeen, Let's dance forty burgers baby score points a little more generally, though, I all, this is this is what I always wonder and I remember because it was around it was probably around this time. I think it was February when Layton vander esh kind of creeped into our cousness in twenty eighteen.

Have we hit on all of the names that will be in consideration when it's actually draft time or is there somebody who's still lurking out there that's not really on the radar? Hey, Japan Sa Turgrossmatos Julian o'quara there I thrown some wild cards for defensive end were covered. Okay, if we're doing a quara there, then where we don't need to draft at seventeen. Just wait for the combine. Wait for the combine coming. I think all the cornerbacks.

I mean, whether it's Trevon Diggs, whether it's Christian Fulton, whether it's c. J. Henderson, whether it's Jeff Gladney, who I'm higher on than most of the world, but whether it's uh, you know whoever. Maybe there's the way you're saying, Gladney, it's seventeen if you want to, if you want to get wild with it, Yeah, I've seen it possible him at seventeen, mainly pegged as a second round pick, but

I could see him at fifty one. Who the hell knows what they're really talking about in February, Yeah, exactly, And that's that's but I have less I see what you're saying about the safeties. I think I have less confidence in them drafting safety in the first round, so

do I maybe any other position. The closer we get it kind of seems that way where it seems like, okay, safety might not be the number one priority in terms of that first round pick, because there are so many different things that could happen, whether it is a wide receiver to Jeff's Jeff's point, whether it's Rugs, or whether it's a Lamb or Judy or somebody whoever falls wide receiver wise, if you get one of those burners on the back half of that first round, it seems like

maybe they could lean that way to add another weapon on the outside, or you could go with a defensive tackle. Kin Law is pretty much the the Boise State connection a lot. Even take Curtis Weaver two rounds too early out of Boise, that'd be a bad plan. More on

Curtis Weaver in segment three. Though I have right around twenty first round grades kind of where I'm at right now looking at it um and but I started to think about because we've been talking about Javon kin Law from South Carolina a lot yep, and there's a lot to be found out about him and his knee and things like that. But I'm thinking about tears of the first round. When does that first tier cut off? Okay, so you're borrow Chase Young okuda, Uh, maybe you want

to throw Derek Brown in there? May yeah, Okay, still have four or five guys right there. Simmons, Aah, Simmons, I'll still him in there. Five. I think Ken Law is going to sneak into that group. I think so very possible. I'm tempted to go bold today, But I'll wait another week and I'll let me let me double and triple check my work before I tell you that I'll take Javon Kinlaw over Derek Brown. Just let me double and triple check my work before I commit to them.

Just want to pease it for right now. It's not insane. I honestly, it's not because he's a monster. I mean he is, He's legitimate, I mean, but so is Brown. Yeah, Derek Brown? Both monsters upside though who gives you more upside? Who's the same? Which one? Which one might have a twelve sex season? I think, I mean maybe both. Really

I would get on Brown right now. I think I would too, But regardless, I mean, we've talked a lot of wide receivers, and we've talked a lot about guys that could fall position wise and how deep that class is going to be for wide receivers. Are there any other positions though, that you're looking at in terms of

the depth? The depth that could either mean, hey, there's a lot of guys at the very beginning that are going to be the very top of the draft that are going to be immediate starters, or is it guys that you can potentially wait on for round three and still going to be able to get a guy who could be a starter. Tight End is deeper than I initially thought it was. Really that's not exciting, and it's not top heavy at all, but tight ends a little

better than I thought it was. Offensive tackle is a little bit better than I mean, you're gonna have your top heavy guys right there. We've talked about Jedrick Wills from Alabama. We've talked about becked In from Louisville. We've talked about Andrew Thomas from Georgia and Worf's from Iowa. You know, those are those guys are probably first round tap guys, but second third, fourth round offensive tackle. I don't think this team needs to go there because I

think this team needs to go defense, defense, defense. Yeah, for depending on this and that's the right wide receivers there. In today's February six, we're a month away from you know, deciding who you're going to place your franchise tag on and things like that, and they're going to fill out the roster and free agency to try to free up their draft abilities. So we have no idea what the team is going to look like. Which is all the fun.

That's why it's a lot of fun. That's why you do have to actually look at the kings of tackles and things like that. Even speaking in generalities, I mean, I think offensive tackle. I'm very high on a lot of these offensive tackles. Josh Jones is one that you didn't mention out of Houston. He was at the Senior Bowl and he bullied some people on the line. I think he could be a first round talent. He's right

on the edge of a first round grade. For me, I think he's right at the beginning of my second round grade. He's athletic enough. He's my top second round offensive linement. I thinks to tackle me as well. I don't have it pulled up just yet, but there's I think offensive tackle is just as deep in terms of guys that you can maybe go back and develop as a wide receiver class. Now, I'm not gonna say that that they're even. I think wide receiver is definitely the

deepest position in this draft class. But I think offensive tackles right there. I think, at least in the conversation. It's it's interesting because, like we we've all said a million times already, like you can find like ready made receivers in the third and fourth round of this draft class. Probably, Yeah,

I don't know if that's true. For offensive tackle, I think it's gonna be super top heavy, and like we see every year, other than quarterback, that's one of the positions teams are most ready to reach on because it's it's so important and there just aren't that many good offensive tackles to go around. That's why I mean, I'm sitting here looking at probably as many as like five that would go in the first round. That's another thing I'm hoping for if I'm the Cowboys, is that those

guys keep going off the board. You look at those teams in front of the Cowboys too. There's some teams that really need some offensive line help, and so I think the offensive tackles go off the board. Maybe bring us the law maybe, And Justin Herbert was off the board there that Jordan Love up in there. Get Jordan Yeah, heyts a team, he sta panic and get a quarterback

DeAndre Swift. Let's get a running back in a It's kind of the thing I think that's working negatively for the Cowboys, as the fact that Philip Rivers is free now and that Cam Newton's likely going to I would assume he's going to get cut and go somewhere else. Um, Jameis Winston is free and a team may try to revitalize him. I think it's Teddy Bridgewater Taysom Hill. Like, there's a lot of guys who are kind of free with Playsom Hill into that category. We're having fun, aren't we.

I guess I don't think anybody's gonna make Taysom Hill their starter. This find the LA Chargers and I have no fan base at all. Why not I'm signing Taysom Hill. Why because I'm the LA Chargers. Baby. Would Mike Williams quit the laharg Teenan Allen? Would he quit? They'd be like, listen, we know that Taysom's running twenty times a game. I'm not here for this. Large gives you need to put butts in the seats and sell jerseys. Some Hill's exciting,

stop it. They're gonna draft Herbert or something they should like? Can I get Taysom Hill and draft Jordan Love? You probably could just okay, as long as Taysom Hill's not You're like like day one's future and you're like, this is our guy. He's only thirty, He's gonna get so much better. Stop it. I will to the original, to the original point. Like you know, it kind of goes back to what we said at the top is you know, everybody zeroed in on Grant delput and Xavier McKinney. That's fine.

I think they're both good players. I'd be happy drafting either one of them in the first round, honestly, but I'd be happy with one of those. Yet people fixate on that, and I don't know. I don't know how deep this. I don't know how deep it goes. But I have now gotten eyes on safeties that I would be happy to draft. I mean Winfield. We've been talking about Antoine Winfield all week on Twitter. Let go. That guy's freaking impressive. Man. He hits, He hits like a missile,

and he covers well. Utah, man's pretty good too, Burgess, Okay, you tak guys interesting. It's hard to find on tape because he lines up somewhere different every play. I have to find him at the end of the play, rewind and see where he started. He's very interesting. I I was concerned about his measurements at the Senior Bowl when he came in with thirty inch arms. Not that it totally matters at safety how long you are, but he's

also on the short end of five to eleven. Happened to my guy and I the defensive end out of Utah, came in with the shorty arms after from a note said offensive tackles. Can you get their hands on him? Put your heart When you get a shorty arm, you get a short army. Just needs you to be a little bit better. There's a play stretch it though. Just get somebody every day to kind of pull on it a little bit. See if you can't get another half

inch out of that. And I want to tease a head like stretched armstrong sty I want to tease a head to the third sement because we're gonna get two guys. We're gonna sit around here and we're gonna play GM. We're gonna say, pick the guy who's the better player. Who do you want the guy and the other guy you're probably talking about his Brandon Jones out of Texas.

Briton Jones from Texas watched him yesterday. I don't want to ruin the third segment, but I'm interested to hear your takes on him, but awesome to that point, you know, I mean, Delpitt and McKinney's probably your best bet to be a I'll throw a Winfield in there at those three could probably start day one. Ashton Davis. I'm higher on Davis. We're gonna play Winfield and Davison Segment three two. Okay,

we'll put those two together. But I think what I would say, there is there something about Winfield that makes you go because there's a lot of people were going up, well he's not tall enough, and I sit there and go, okay, well his dad played the NFL for fourteen years. Now, that doesn't mean he's going to be good. But everyone's saying all these sized questions about Antoine Winfield junior. Well, he's five eleven and he's kind of maybe he's five ten. Gil get what his dad was. His dad was five

nine and one eighty. Now, I know evolution has changed. Well, I don't know if it's so much evolution, No, I know, I don't change that over humans have grown multiple inches on average. You don't fifteen years. You don't think we're not going about to get into this. I don't think we've gone up two inches on average over the last nine twenty years. Now, I don't think. Oh I don't know, man, pretty yeah, I haven't been phased out yet, thankfully. Yeah.

But you should see my ancestors from fifteen years ago. Tiny man, tiny, okay and little know in fact, I have my family to be birds. Pull it back to the road, please. But look looking at Winfield and you mentioned his size, I mean on the board all the way through position wise, he's the second shortest safety that I've got on just in the draft class at the moment. You know who the name I put in my notes

on in twin Winfield. They play different positions, but I said, this is gonna be Desmond King all over again for some teams. I love that the Iowa corner where it was like, up he's a little too short. Up, he's a little too slow. So like if Winfield runs in the mid to high four fives and he measures in at five nine and three quarters, teams will be like, oh, he's a little too small and a little too slow, and I'm gonna go cool. I like that you have

a physical profile to try to avoid missus. I'm willing to take a shot him this one because he's an outlier, because he's a bawler. He didn't look slow catching kJ Hammler, who was not his assignment on a crossing route and being there to make contact with him at the catch. Like he is very impressive on teams. He sees it fast too, he gets ahead of it. And I'm glad you mentioned that play because it stands out of him seeing something and then going And he also will tackle.

I mean he will. He needs to wrap up better, but he's kind of got that safety vibe. I want to knock you out and say he hits like a sack of bricks. I'm not worried about his size at all. But we're talking about Winfield in that third segment too. But I want to kind of shift it back over to what you were saying. You were talking about late safeties. Yeah, that you could potentially draft in showing the depth of

that position. Is there anybody that you're looking at in terms of a guy maybe early Day three, even late day two that you could go for safety if you wanted to draft at Kin Law or a receiver in the first round. We've got a limited amount of film on this guy. But he was at the Senior Bowl. Jeremy Chen's interesting. Now. I know it's a small school in southern Illinois, but if you're looking for a strong safety and that's what that's what he is, don't ask him to cover a lot. He did hold his own

at the Senior Bowl. That's probably fine because the Xavier Woods can play free. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't, especially you're not talking about drafting a strong safety in the first round. We're also to free. Chin is taking a swing on nothing but ability, where you're like, well, he's got talent, but I don't trust him in coverage. I don't trust that he sees things quickly. I don't like, I don't trust anything other than the fact that he's got good size. He's really good at I'm gonna say

he's every bit of six three two fifteen. So it definitely stands out when you watch him play. What's he gonna run at the combine? And I think this is one that actually will matter. I know he sometimes he put a lot of stuck into forties on wide receivers and things like that. At safety, maybe you're not looking at it too much, but I do think it's important to see what he runs. My time that I have on him now it was a four to six seven. Well, silly,

it's you can run. And he played free, you know on tape, so like he played free and he was a good open field tackler. You can see how big he is though, and that's where you just kind of go, Okay, there's my strong safety. Fifth round. Cowboys have two picks in the fifth round. If you know how Papa safety late and you think he can come in and play,

you're probably bringing Jeff Heath back too. And I know a lot of people's eyes are gonna roll in the back of their head, but that's a chance that happens. I know I would straight up do it. It's it's interesting because we don't know what this coaching staff is gonna want. I mean, all the people that valued Jeff Heath have moved on for the most part, but I do. I mean, they will need to bring a capable safety and free agency just for numbers, Jeff Heath makes sense,

but we'll see. Darian Thompson, what about corner? That's im I wanted to bring that up next because I mean, we're originally talking about deep positions. I'm thrilled by this because I mean much like, I don't know if they do it rounds two three like they did in twenty seventeen with Cheeto and Jordan Lewis, But you have to replace every corner over the next twelve months. That's what I'm saying. This seems like a draft. This seems like a draft where you would want to double up on

the position, and there's awesome opportunity to do that here. Okay, they're not going to touch Jeff Okuda, obviously, but every other cornerback, like at the top of the heap makes sense for their range, does he not? Christian Fulton, C. J. Henderson, Trevon Diggs. I think I would even throw Bryce Hall in there. Bryce Hall too, I want him in this week. Okay, what we're talking about, No, no, we're talking about early

day three guys. No, no, no no, no, first round. I'm talking Okay, maybe not pick seventeen, but again, like you're talking about trading back and drafting a safety like and you know, I would imagine Bryce Hall could go in the twenties or as far back as forty. I think I don't think it's crazy to think I have Bryce Hall of Virginia. By the way, I've got him in my fourth round stack. I love not nuts about him. But it's fine. If we all agreed on everything, we

would be crazy people. That's fine. I found a sleeper last week. Jeff's sleeper that you kind of came up with was the Auburn guy. Noah his names, No, I used to have it. He got it, well, I got I got another sleeper, and I need I'm gonna need more tape on him because I just have a Memphis game and what's the other game. Found a guy in Division three No no, no, no no, no no, it's not Division three s the emissunt. They found a guy in the German League. No no no, no, oh, I still got him.

Gets Oklahoma State where he's shut down Tayland Wallace, so get some of that, and also a Michigan State. You're Tulsa guy, but I need more. It's my Tulsa gut Reggie Robinson. So earlier in the previous episodes of the Draft show, I told you my Manamy, I'm Pat Kat was a meek Robertson who had fourteen interceptions in three years, said Louisiana Tech, but his hip destroyed. I mean he's getting nursing home hip. That's not so. Reggie Robinson of Tulsa is my new guy six one two O two.

I'm just imagining like next Senior Bowl guy too. Yes, sir, next week you're gonna sit down and be like, I don't like Reggie Robinson. No, no, no no. If I find out he's got nursing home hip, then yes, but I mean I'll be out on him. Okay, forget forget the disagreement of opinion about Bryce Hall. But it's some Danceler in your life. He got Cameron Danceler, you got NOI an agony. Let's go. We were impressed by Darnay

Holmes and Dane Jackson at the Senior Bowl. Those are more Day three type of guys, but a fifth round guy from me. But those guys, I like the odds that you can find it. I mean, if you wanted to drive after the top, you could, and then you could still come back on day three and find a pretty good corner. You move back, you take CJ. Henderson in the first round, you wait to fifty one, you take Cameron Danceler in the second round, and then you

also have picked up another pick. We'll find our wide receiver, and we'll find our d tackle there somewhere in the third. It'll be great. They're gonna sign now, I just drafted Henderson. I'm worried abouts They're all just going to be there for you, justin Matta Bike. They're all just going to be fourth and two picks in the fifth where I think wide receivers that's I think that could be a

good zone for that. I'm nervous. I'm so nervous about waiting to the third round to address the defensive line. That's a little risky. You just needed to stretch for us. I don't think is going to be there in the third. But well, we'll talk about that. I am a later point. I'm slowly developing the opinion that they are going to do work on the D line in free agency that will mitigate some of these concerns. Mike Daniels in here something, Yeah,

Chris Jones, let's just sign him. Daniels will give you a good six games. Go go look at the available defensive tackles. Oh, there's twenty of them, That's what I'm saying. And I think that I don't think they have a choice but to sign some because they've got nobody but Tyrone Crawford, who hasn't played the position in two years and has bad hips woods he's not on the exclusive rights. I think that doesn't I mean again, going back to that point, like does this coaching staff want him? Does

he fit what they want to do? Hi? Bro oh cool Tristan Hill who couldn't get a jersey in two thirds of their games. The point being they need help in a way that they can't afford to wait to the draft. So I'm very I'm very curious to see what they do that well, we can't afford to wait any longer to take our first break. Now, last week, Dave, you talked about Jalen Hurts not having a long NFL career. That's gonna be our first twitter on the twenty question

nice when we return. We're gonna address that when we come back. This is a Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. I'm Jay Novachik, former tight end for the Dallas Cowboys. Back in the day, I was the guy who always got the tough yards and that's why I run with John Deer today. In fact, I have a John Deer three zero twenty five E tractor that can handle any yard work I need to do, even the tough yards way out back. So if you have one acre or a thousand, John Deer has the equipment that's just right

for you. Visit a John Deer dealer today and run with us. We are the official tractor provider of your Dallas Cowboys. SLORA is a proud sponsor of the Dallas Cowboys, helping fans see more and do more with our best vision solutions. Our lens technologies reveal a world more beautiful than you can imagine. For a limited time, get the Slur next Gen Offer, where you buy the latest generation of Transitions lenses with select Slur lenses, you can choose

a second pair of clear lenses for free. Qualifying frame purchases restrictions apply. Find a participating eyecare professional by visiting slor usa dot com. See more. Do more want to use what the pros use? How about the official men's skincare brand of the Dallas Cowboys, Jack Black. Right now you can get the Jack Black Starter, a curated collection of Cowboys locker room favorites, for just ten bucks with free shipping. The Starter includes four Jack Black skincare favorites

plus a full size and tense therapy whip bomb. Go to get Jack Black dot com slash Cowboys and use the code word Team JB. That's Get Jack Black dot com slash Cowboys, the Jack Black starter, ten bucks free shipping your new apartments big Such a great deal. That's okay, just okay? What's not right above the subway? Well, I bet you don't even notice it after that's my neighbor, Ain't it the deal? That's just okay, It's not okay,

get a great deal America's best network. Come into an AT and T store to find out how to get one of our popular smartphones for zero dollars down based on GWS one course. September twenty nineteen. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Back here from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star in Frisco, Episode five of the twenty twenty season of the Draft Show. Just carrying on the legacy left behind by guys like Brian

brought Us and Dame Brugler, investigating and educating. That's the first time I've said that you five weeks, so I feel like we should probably hit is it? Brian might have rights on that, you might have the building, could probably own it. So that's a good point. That is a good point. But we love those guys, and just trying to talk some draft here, of course, and man, we've got a great couple of questions to hit here

in the coming moments. And this first one kind of caught me off guard because it's directly challenging a statement may by the great Dave Hellman oh Boy last week, oh go after oh Boy, no award on Twitter, our first Twitter on the twenty. He says, just listen to the latest Draft show, and you said you didn't see Jalen Hurts having a long NFL career. Dave, can you

expand on that? Actually, okay, let me rephrase. Jalen Hurts could have a long NFL career because he's capable of being on an NFL roster and he definitely can contribute something. I don't see him being like a multi year starter at the NFL level, like being the face of a franchise. I don't like him, I alone in that. Do you all think I'm crazy? I don't think he's an NFL starter. That's that's my point. I mean, shoot, we spent five

minutes talking about Taysom Hill in the first segment. I mean, if Taysom Hill can turn in, I mean, how long has he been in the league. Taysom Hill can start. Jalen Hurts might be able to start. Taysom Hill doesn't start that, okay. I was like in my trying to get him Twitter in a year, I'm trying to pump him excite. It's going to beg of the Los Angeles Charger. I think I think Jalen Hurtzel get drafted. I think he's he's more talented than people give him credit for.

He's got a hell of an arm um and and he's his athleticism helps him make plays Like I have never been impressed by what he does. When a defense like completely hymns him in and doesn't let him use that athleticism to win. I mean, like, you know, maybe I'm biased, but LSU really hindered his ability when they got after him and forced him to play a little bit more traditionally. Um, that doesn't mean he can't be

useful in the NFL. Shoot if he wound up with like a Sean Payton and they could use subpackages for him and let him use his athleticism and things like that. He could be very successful. I just don't see him starting for an NFL team for multiple years. And that's kind of what I was going to say. Is he more of a project? Is that probably the best way to put it in terms of a guy you can put behind a veteran and let him learn for multitude of years with a good coaching staff, and then maybe

he turns into a successful quarterback. You can make him the backup in Baltimore. Yeah, I mean, because I don't think you would. He's already taken that right. Yeah, you could do better than that, but I don't. I don't think that you're going to just have Jalen Hurts be the backup to fill in the blank generic quarterback and run the same thing, because like they had to change Oklahoma, We've I think we pictured it as all being the same with Baker and Kyler and Jalen, but they were

all three different offenses. Yeah. The Jalen Hurts offense offered a lot of It was a lot of quarterback power really yeah, where it's like, hey, our running back's gonna lead block for you. And that's because he's not the athlete that Lamar is, right, he's not. I don't think he's a good enough thrower to win in the NFL that way. And I don't think he processes what's happening fast enough to win from the pocket. That's the issue.

And how fast, how how much development does it take to get a guy to process things down the field, Like almost everyone's a project if you're a quarterback. But the fact that Cody Kessler's on an NFL roster tells you that Jalen Hurts could be on an NFL Yeah, No, I just don't see him as a starter. I think he and like I hate people that just dismiss a guy off and like you can never measure like somebody's will and the way they develop or what system they

wind up in. Would Taysom he'll ever have had the career he did if he didn't wind up with with such a good and creative coach. So I don't want to completely write him off. And if Tyrod Taylor can have the career he had, which included multiple quality years as a starter, starting caliber contracts at the time to go start for a team, Jay, we didn't think Dak would be a starter. Sure, j Jalen Hurts could do it. I just I do not envision him having like a

multiple year career as a starter. I think he's a He's a backup slash gadget guy slash developmental dude. Processing down the field was a question for Dak coming out. I think that's the best. Yeah, Like, I mean, it's not a comparison or anything, but like maybe that's kind of the area in the draft I think Jalen Hurts would go. I assume have either of you. I assume y'all haven't dive diven dive dove dove on quarterbacks. I have not. I know the Cowboys are not going to

need one in the top of the draft. Watched one yet. I mean I've watched a lot of them, and I've I've watched enough study I've between Bama and Oklahoma. I've watched enough of Jalen Hurts to have I think I have a feel for him and didn't grasp on it. I mean, I would still guess he gets drafted in the by the fourth round. I will bet he gets picked in the third or fourth round. Yeah, that's where

I bet he goes. Next question comes from Daniel Buchanan, and Buchanan asks he says who has a better chance to be there in the second round for Dallas? Is it Chason or Queen? Oh, pass rushers go quick. Chason is not a any means, but Caleb and Chason. I could totally see him going in the first round. I think I could see Queen going in the first round too. If you're betting which one might make it, there's a one percent chance Queen makes it and a less than

that percent chance Chason makes. Queen is insane to me as an truck as as an LSU fan, like I didn't pick this question out, but he was awesome. Don't get me wrong, He's very good. He covers incredibly well. Hell of a player. But I was thinking he was sort of like an under the radar pet cat, Like, you know, I don't think so people found well. When I say under the radar, I mean, you know, top

sixty pick, top eighty pick. Until he declared I didn't know very much at all, and then I saw other guys watching him, like, oh my gosh, he's really good. Daniel Jeremiah didn't know two days after the National title game, Daniel Jeremiah is like, this guy's a top twenty pick, Like oh, I did not see that coming. Yeah, but Chason's a bendy pass right, No, no, no no, let's go quick. Chason's a first round pick as far as I position

value will matter there and that type of thing. But that is a fun type of you know, prop bet at some point if you want to get into it or I mean, I think Chason goes first. But man, if you're a team who needs an inside linebacker, you know, if you're going to play Patrick Queen versus Kenneth Murray, I think they'll take Queen over Murray. I think they're close.

I think Queen a little bit more. He I like how he scrapes through and finds his way to the football am and he sees it pretty quickly too, I think for I, you know, who didn't have like four years of starting experience or anything. I think his instincts are pretty quick. I think there's I think there's a chance they both go in the first round. Um, Queen is the better bet to fall to the second. But even then, I don't think he'd be there at fifty one. Yeah.

I don't think he's gonna be there fifty one either. But it's interesting for the sake of Chason where you're talking about him. If Chason went at fifteen or if Chason went at thirty five, I don't think I would be surprised. It's not it's way different. I'm not comparing the two players, but it kind of reminds me of Harold Landry from a few years ago. Okay, when you're sitting there going, okay, could he go late teens and he ends up you know, thirty six or wherever he

went to Tennessee in the second round. Well, I don't think this is a good edge class. Chase Young is incredible, and after that, Chason could be the next one to go. Aj Epenesa I think has probably mocked the highest after that, but I think people are also going to see him and go, okay, the two hundred and eighty pounder run stopper. He had college production as a pass rusher, but what do I project that to the league? Whereas Chason's the

exact opposite. The production's not there, but I think the twitched up athlete is there. I could see him being the second edge off the board. I think that's the classic case. If Dane Brugler was here, like high floor verse or high ceiling verse low floor or high you know what I mean? The high floor, Like, yeah, Epiness is a high floor. Yeah that's a good player. Chase ons a high ceiling where you might get fifteen sex in a year. Sure, and you look at you kind

of mentioned the edge class in general. I mean, I have I have Chasing in front of Epinezza and Grosmatos out of Pinn State. I mean, Terrell Lewis is in there as well. I mean that's just I feel like they're just in a different class. Well, those three guys up at the top, Chasing or Chason, excuse me, Epinessa, and Young are just all by themselves. And I think

Young's even elevated above those guys too. All the more reason why I think the Cowboys need to try really hard to bring Robert quinnback, because I don't love their odds of really addressing the edge in this draft. I mean, who Dallas you got? Unless kind of third were you getting? If you trade back, you're trading away from the good edge players. You're trading back and taking Grossmatos and hoping for the best. You said, Curtis Weaver or nothing third round? Yeah,

that shares the hell out of me. But Jeff said, nothing feels like a sure thing, like like Chase Young. But there are some guys there who I'm kind of uncomfortable taking it there, and I'm more comfortable at a value in telling I'm getting extra picks for I think Terrell Lewis, of his medicals check out at the Combine, I think you're going to see him get up into the twenties. He had a nice week at the Senior

He's awesome on tape. Yeah, everyone's just worried about his legs and they should be, Yeah, because he's he's got a bad D. But if his medicals check out at the combine, I think you're gonna go. Okay, there's a guy, and I think he'll be talked about more than Chason I do. All the Alabama players have all these medical red flags. Don't worry about that grind back and forth. Okay, So this one is Taylor made for Jeff cavan On, no about it. I like it all right. I hate it.

Since it's nearly impossible to come out with four to five impact rookie stars in one draft, wouldn't it be better to draft a wide receiver high like Rugs or rigor try to put up forty burgers on everyone rather than focusing on defense and hoping that the rookies play big in year one. Yeah, he's just been watching my YouTube. Yeah yeah, I feel like this is Is this a burner account? Yeah, that's my burner account. Ragor is the one guy that I don't think anybody's really talked about

the idea of at seventeen? Could you do it now? In this case, we're assuming that free agency, you kind of fill holes, you find a defensive end, you find a d tackle. Yeah, you get to seventeen and Rugs Judy Lamber gone, and could you take Jalen Ragor at seventeen? I will say this, all right, I'll go, I'll go this route. Is everybody's so sold on Rugs and nobody's talking about Ragor on the same level. One of them has had elite production as a nineteen year old in

college football, and one of them has never had great production. Yeah, Rugs is faster. There's no doubt he can really make people do circles coming off on scrimmage. But Ragor's a monster too. I support the forty burger offense. I support it. Make your strength so strong that you can cover up your weakness. I haven't full disclosure. I haven't had a good look at Ragor yet. I know who he is. I know he's one of the fastest receivers in this class. Sell me on him. But I think when you look

at him, he's not just fast, he's strong. They'll throw him goal line fades and he'll go get it. So he's not your typical under six foot guy where it's like, hey, his catch radius is tiny. He does have drops, but he also makes contested catches where he'll climb the letter and go get it after the Catchy's electric twenty one

yards per punt return last year, including two touchdowns. I think Jalen Ragor immediately makes you a team that has a threat at punt returner, a deep threat, a guy who's held to deal with in the screen game and doesn't play small. I think Ragor's a really good prospect if you go he was nineteen years old and he

dominated the Big twelve with bad quarterback well. He came out of Walks a Hatchie and he had a couple of receivers at Walks a Hatchie too when he was in high school and he was head and shoulders over everyone best high school receiver in the area by far. But you also look at if you do go and get a guy like Ragor, that means you're probably not going to bring back Randall Cobb. Right, yeah, I'm you're you're done with Cobb and so you'll have gallup. Ragor's

probably Cooper. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of a hesitant thing at the moment. But I mean I'm not now, bring on the forty burger offense. Forty burgers, Blake Jarwin, Maybe get another tight end to work with him in Dalton Schultz, bring on a stud that's I mean mine, it's completely logical to think, with the way that this thing is stacked up, I think the value at seventeen might be

best at like receiver and maybe cornerback. Almost Fuck, you're in a position there where you're not allowed to complain about the defense though, because you're not addressing it. Because you're not addressing of course, well, because when it was the constant problem all year long. What if I tell you you're right, the defense was way more in my opinion why the Cowboys were mediocre than the offense. But

if I tell you that they bring back Robert Quinn. Okay, now we're talking, and you know they're not if they bring back Robert Quinn. They're not going to sign anybody like Juicy at D tackle or corner, but they'll fill those voids if you can get me Robert Quinn and Anthony brown back. Okay, are we cooking with that? Now we're cooking. Okay, Now I'm more willing to do something like that. Yeah, which little crazy in the first round. It's hard to talk about until you see that. And

I don't think they would. I don't really think they should, but man, it would be fun. Okay, Well, once again, and I hope a lot of teams are thinking this way because I think it's going to be insane. I do think, and I love Ragor, but I also love a ton of other guys. And that's where I kind of go. Why am I taking a right wide receiver at seventeen? I can get a good one at fifty one? Oh my god. I can get a good one at eighty two. Oh my god. Can I get a decent

one receiver in round four at twenty four? Yeah? I think I can, but I would because there's twenty five of them that are going to go in the first three or four rounds. I want impact, like my right wide receivers goes Lamb and Judy Gap, Rugs and Ragor Gap. And then we start listing all these te Higgins and Laviscas Chanalt and then maybe there's another Gap and then my Pittman and au can say has a lot of really good players. There's a lot of NFL starters. You

have Higgins and Chanlt below Rag. So yeah, and we aren't doing this as one of the hypotheticals in the third segment, but who would you pick? Would you pick Rugs or Ragor? He said, he already did. I did, I said right now, because we shouldn't be talking about

one and not the other, is what I'm saying. Okay, but at the moment, I have Rugs above, and that's fair because everyone's talking about Rugs and no one's really talking about everybody's pretending there's three names that if you got to seventeen, it's like, oh, maybe you can't pass them up. And I think that should be four. Both of them think you should at least be in the conversation. I do should be there to Yeah, other people are gonna think should be there too, or even Auk or

t Higgins, but those are my four. I think I've kind of mentally written and it's not fair. I'm not saying it is. I've kind of mentally written Levisca Chennault off because he doesn't really fit what the Cowboys needs. He's a bit player. He's not a bad no, not in a bad way, but like he is kind of a jet sweep and screen and after catch, and he's a different He's a big body, a bigger bodied guy

like I'm he's not the typical slot burner. Yeah, you want the gu's gonna blow past everybody, right, And I don't know that that's him. I don't think he's gonna run a particularly impressive forty for a receiver. Yeah. So not saying he's not a good player, but in my mind, I just don't see him here. So I'm not even really thinking about him that much. But I do think he will be drafted fairly high. Okay, anyway, I see that. I see what you're saying there in terms of the

bigger bodied receiver on the outside. So that's gonna do it for Twitter on the twenty. We're gonna cut it short a little bit today, We'll get to some of your other tweets on Twitter at some point throughout the next week. However, when we come back, Kat has some hypothetics. We're gonna play a little bit of this or that before Jeff Cavanall trips out of his chair. We'll be back in them here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Your new apartment's big? Such a great deal?

That's okay, just okay? What's right about the subway? Well, I bet you don't even notice it after that's my neighbor. Hang deal, that's just okay, it's not okay. Get a great deal with America's best network. Come into an AT and T store to find out how to get one of our popular smartphones for zero dollars down based on GWS one course September twenty nineteen. Do you want the most interesting, up to the minute Dallas Cowboys news straight

from the Star in Frisco? How about exclusive and on command. That's right, news and nuggets you can't find anywhere else. With our exclusive Cowboys content on Alexa, you can have all the answers, secrets, stories and more. What's Stephen Jones thinking during a game? What's Joe Looney's favorite pregame meal. We take your questions to Cowboys players and coaches and you can hear the answers directly back to you. Just

say Alexa open Dallas Cowboys. Whether you're into being a part of this or more into something like this, Sea Geek has the tickets to the events you love. It's the easiest way to find, buy and sell tickets. Plus, with their deal score technology, they'll recommend the best seats in the house at the best value. So the next time you're craving this, don't load the Sea Geek app and let's go seek. Ladies and gentlemen. It's that time

again for tailgating with the Autterbox boys. Autter Box the company that builds wildly overproductive phone cases the one and only, but cases are just the start. Auterbox is the official outfitter of tailgating. If they can keep my phone safe, what can they do for my parking lot party? How about protecing your beverages from suboptimal drinking temperatures with their elevation tumblers and Auterbox elevation tumblers come in three sizes, a ten ouncer, a twenty ouncer, and even a sixty

four ounce growler. Check out all the colors and sizes of their elevation tumblers at auterbox dot com. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Final segment Here from the Star in Frisco, episode number five of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Thanks for joining us, Jeff Cavanaugh, Kevin Turner, David Helman, I'm Kyle Yeoman's and Katie Mister Katie fund tweets over across the table from me has some juicy pairings that we're gonna have to

decipher as a GM. Now, I want to clarify this. Are we the GM of the Cowboys? Are we just? Uh? Anyway? General GM? Who's the better put GM of your own your draft in your head? Yelman's team. Let's imagine that we're in our own war room here and we're just sitting around talking about players. We're trying to build a board. All right, who would you rather have? Let's take roster needs out of it. Okay, who would you rather have? Right here? So I'm two guys and we're gonna try

to come to a consensus. We're gonna stack him on the board. Let's start hit wide receiver, SMU wide receiver James Proche versus Texas wide receiver Colin Johnson. I don't even think this is close. I think it's unfair. I would go Colin Johnson, but I think it's unfair because it's big versus little. Yeah, give me Proche all day. Wow, you don't think it's close. I would. No, I don't. I don't know. I maybe again like my own biases in my head, but I got him both in the

fourth round. Okay, I mean no, I guess so, yeah, I just Colin Johnson to me, he's just a big bodied, slow guy, And I like, what am I? I don't know what am I doing with him? And I guess I am thinking about Dak Prescott in this instance. But what's what's he helping Dak with? I don't know. And I remember you talking about him at the Senior Bowl. You. I remember you and I walked up to each other and you said, man, he is slow. He looks he

got open because he's big bodied. I mean, he can use that in his favor, but like he just kind of plods down field. He's twenty pounds away from being a tight end. I mean twenty I mean he's huge. I think he's I think he's very well aware of what his deficiencies are, and I think he's going to do everything that he can to try to get better in that. I don't know how he can just get a little faster. I think his deficiencies can be changed. I don't think whatever. I don't think whatever cathlete he

is is what he's going to be. I don't think that there's like that's one of those things where you just say, hey, he's not he's if he If he's a four six guy, he's just gonna be a four six. I don't think he's stiff though. I think you shou see him turn his hips not on not on route running, but like adjusting the back shoulder throws and you'll go go up and get the you know the big ten fifty fifty ball and all that stuff. You see him

do that stuff. But I think he knows, like, Okay, I don't think he's just a pure straight line guy. I think he can do more than what we've seen. Uh proche catches everything and gets open and he's everything you probably want as a tiny guy. And that's why I put these guys together because there's a seven inch difference. There were a couple of times though, at the Senior Bowl that I thought James Prochet was moving in slow motion too. He's I mean, I don't he's not a

burn I don't think he's twitchy. I don't think I think he's just a really solid player. I think he's got great hand, give me up, give me I think he high points the ball better than Colin Johnson does. What you're saying, something high, Yeah, one can't get there. You gotta put it on Proche too. There are a few players watching him on tape where the balls a little bit behind him and you see, okay, well it's got to be on his chest or otherwise he's not

gonna get it. And that's it's like that for a lot of those smaller guys, you know, with Colin Johnson, he built Ellinger out a lot. Yeah, and that's something I think when you're talking about a fourth, fifth round area, which is where I kind of have these guys, I just think it's a little interesting. It does depend on what you need. I've got Johnson one peg higher than

Proche on my board. Y'all are gonna hate what I'm about to say, because one guy went in the first round and one guy we're talking about on day three. But Proche just reminded me of like a poor man's Dj Moore, who was my pet cat a couple of years ago. Like they're similarly built, and no, I know, like More is the better athlete, but just watching him move like Proche when he gets the ball to meet,

like he almost looks like a running back. Like I love his contact balance, I love his movement ability, low center of gravity, very low center of gravity. He catches everything. He catches balls like a bigger receiver at times. I just I was very impressed watching him a couple times because I didn't see a great after the catch guy. And to me, that's what made Dj Moore was once the balls in his hands, you are in troube which

to beef. I'm I'm basing this more on practices than tape study, Okay, but he stood out to me in mobile for sure. Yeah, And I thought he looked great mobile too. And I've seen some of the insane catches he makes in his workouts, and like, I've seen the good things, but I thought that on tape and he's great production. You're big junior year, big senior year. But to me, I just guy that. I was like, he does everything right, Like he's a solid route runner, he

comes back to the ball, he's gonna catch it. He does everything right. But I didn't see anything that jumped out at me as like ooh, that's special set Bitylan Suton's kind of my reckless comp for Colin Johnson too. Yeah for me, you said, and and I mean, look it will for teams. That comes down to what you need or whatever. But for the record, like Jeff, the way Jeff just described him, isn't that what you're looking for in a Day three receiver anyway? Like the special guys.

The special guys are off the board by pick one twenty Yeah, yeah, day three, I would be I would be happy with that pick. Yeah. Like there's there's slot guys that I like a little bit better, like kJ Hill at Ohio State. Yeah, him better because I just think that there's more explosive route running there. There's a better ability to say, is he one of your guys? He's Round three guy for me, guy like j Hills not in He's not on this segment. Now, kJ Hill,

I'm kind of surprised that his stock seems so low. Yeah, like your senior stats were never big, So I just think people haven't done the work yet. Would be my game because it's really good. He made people look silly all year. I like him a lot for sure. The next one is kind of fun here. Let's go to safety's Minnesota's safety Antoine Winfield junior y versus California's safety

Ashton Davis. Before I watched Winfield, I hadn't actually heard a lot about him, and i'd seen Ashton Davis is pretty much the whole world's third safety behind Delpit and McKinney. Winfield's my third safety. Davis is my fifth safety. Can I throw in a third in Kyle Dugger because that's who I have on the graphic. I might have changed the last yeah, I think he changed the last minute.

It's okay. I've studied talking about all three. I haven't studied Duggers, so somebody's gonna have to help me with that one. But I think Winfield play free strong. I think Winfield can do a little bit of everything. He's got the ball production you dream of with the interceptions. I think Antoine Winfield's only limitation is his size. And his size honestly doesn't bother me too much. I think there's another thing. He missed a little bit of twenty

seventeen with a hammy. Twenty eighteen he tore a ligament in his foot. That type of stuff tends to bother me. Foot injuries, Yeah, things like that. But man, I think also there's so much there, and he plays big too. I think he's able to kind of use his body and want to hit and things like that. And then it does just kind of icing on the cake. You see how fast he plays from just to seeing it on the field and he go, yeah, he looks like a guy who just watched his dad play football for

fourteen years at one. Windfield was a great player. His instincts are really impressive, the way I mean it seems like he always has a read on where the ball is going or where it is. H Yeah. I think I watched him Tuesday afternoon for an hour or so and was really impressed. And you like, why are people so hung up on his size? I don't really It's just an inch, right's six foot instead of five eleven. Do you change your mind on a guy five? Did

he maybe five? I think? Yeah, he's a Minnesota five eleven, get this, getting that, getting that idea bump, It's gonna be okay. He's gonna be five o nine six, And I don't care if that helps him fall to fifty one. Let's go. That's okay with me. I agree two things about Winfield. First off, I wasn't impressed immediately when I started watching him, and I got on a Twitter conversation yesterday, you must not have started with the Penn State game. I did not start with the Penn State game, the

real state game. That and Zach Wolchuck from the Fan said it, and he was said, look at the Penn State game. This is where you'll you'll change your mind. Yeah, it changed my mind because he took baby Gronk and he made him look silly basically over the course of the game. The thing about Winfield it he had seven interceptions his final year at Minnesota nine career. That's kind

of impressive to me. The show that he only had a couple in his first few years, and he didn't start a whole lot at the beginning of his career in Minnesota. It was kind of always hurt too, kind of back and forth. He had those injuries in it was it twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, he had he only played four games in each of those years. When he finally had an opportunity to piece together a year, comes up with seven picks. That's the kind of guy that

you want. I mean, that's what Mike Nolan's been talking about over the last couple of weeks. Is a guy that you want to be afraid to throw the ball to his side because you could take it the other way. Okay, we all just agreed. We absolutely love Antoine Winfield. Give me a thumbnail on Davis because I think Delpitt, McKinney, Davis, and Winfield are pretty clear cut as like the four options for the Cowboys at the top of the drive. I trust Davis more as a free safety than a

strong safety. I think Winfield could be a little more complimentary. I mean, Davis is gonna come up and he's about ten pounds less than Antoine Winfield, and you see it. You see how kind of skinny he looks, and that kind of bothers me. And there's a couple of miss tackles and kind of gotta go low and kind of play that way down the box. But he can cover. His instincts are good. I like Ashton Davis. I have

Ashton Davis right behind Winfield in the second round. I mean, here's my safety group, Delpitt, McKinney, second round grad Antoine, Winfield, Ashton Davis, like it's in the Kyle Dugger's next. So it's all in that order. And those guys as helping opponent up. I see a lot of tapping guys on the helmet after they block him, and I don't like a friendly play my favorite. I don't like he's gonna

go head hunt. I don't like the friendly play. My favorite play from him if you go watch the Organ game that he helped an opponent up and it happens, man, I guys trying to diplomacy many But there's a play in the Organ game where he picks off perennial first round pick Justin Herbert and everybody picked off. Such a good play. It is such a good play. I thought sees it. He turns it and he covers the ground and makes the pick. He does look like he's beat

I think when the freaking might have been. But give the guy a little bit of credit. He's a good player. Winfield's catchup speed really showed in that Penn State game too, because I thought he was beating on his first interception. Yeah he I mean the guy had steps on him and he was like, no, he turned the wrong way, he opened the wrong way. Never mind, all right, what else you get? The next one? Tight ends Dayton tight

end Adam Troutman versus Washington tight end Hunter Bryant. I feel like this is this depends on what kind of player you're looking for. Are you looking for the big No, don't cop out Kyle, because we set it's up to you. It's not We're not worried about talking. I'm one percent gonna take Hunter Bryant. I'm about to tell you why. But I'm splitting this up because Adam Troutman is a much bigger tight end six five two fifty one. He's gonna block for you, even though blocking is not his

strong point. And then you've got Washington Hunter Bryant, who's six two, looks like a slot receiver more than a tight end. He's a big and he runs around a lot pre snap, and he does a lot of different things for you. I'm taking Hunter. They are different players, Hunt, but Hunter Bryant was really impressive to me. I put on I put on his game against USC. First snap of the game, I'm like, all right, is this guy on the line? Is he in the slot? Where's he at?

Couldn't find him? Then I realize he's playing fullback. It's sort of an h back type of deal. Taught sweep and he takes out a linebacker on the first play of the game. Not saying he's like an elite blocker, but over the course of the game like he's very willing to do it. He blocks downfield for receivers. They don't put him on the line a lot, but they on occasion, and he gets in there like he's not afraid to put his nose in it. Is it getting the way guy? That's all in twenty twenty, That's all

I want. And he's six two two thirty nine runs, well, can go downfield. He had an amazing I think it was what it was Oregon State where he had like one hundred and fifty yards. He had a good game against Utah too. I believe I haven't I haven't had a chance to watch that game, but I do not have the Organ State game. I didn't see that one Oregon Hawaii byu USC. In the two games, I watched like he was a willing blocker and he's got good hands and his dangerous downfield again, you know the old

Cowboys regime. I'm like, this is exactly the tight end that they would never draft. Jeff is a guy who's don't know that now many knee surgeries. Does a meniscus and an ACL slow you down a little bit because you're okay, No, just too fine. Troutman's got three inches on him. Obviously he's gonna be a bigger thread over the middle of the field. I initially had Hunter Bryant graded higher, and then I got a load of Dayton film into my drop box and it was go time.

And you'll see how smooth of a catcher he is of the football. Hunter Bryan had drops he did and no one's talking about his drops. I was, I like you to bring it up. He's a second round graded tight end for me. I'm just but I'm taking Troutman over Hunter Bryan. I'm scared people are scared of Dayton. I'm scared of FCS. No, I'm scared of getting a Senior Bowl bump. That's all it is. He's getting eye dominated MP is what he's getting. He's a dominant football player.

Four games at Dayton compared to Bryant, who played in Like I believe it was on the graphic a minute ago, but it was like twenty something. Maybe I'm just maybe I'm just intrigued by the thought that the Cowboys would be willing to draft a tweener tight end and Nevin Ingram type. Yeah, that's I mean, it's it's twenty twenty. Baby, Let's get those red zone mismatches on the T team. Let's go. If I'm gonna do that, I'll just draft a fast guy though, But I mean, you still just

draft a fast guy. You still need it? Well, like, who who is that? That that's not going to happen? Who else got the worst? Is? I? Keep it moving? Here? Here we go. Linebackers this time, haven't done a lot of this, guys. Nope. And I'm gonna put this as edge slash linebacker Wisconsin's Zach Bond up against Oklahoma linebacker Kenneth Murray. Better player, stack him on your board. Those

are different skillets exactly. I'm gonna doing this. I'm gonna take don't cop out Dave, don't cop out better player. I hate you guys. I'm gonna take Kenneth Murray and I'm going to do it hoping Zach Bond doesn't make me look stupid, because maybe a team takes Zach Bond and they play him in the t J. Watt role and he's able to do it despite his size. He

just kind of did it Wisconsin. But I think what's gonna happen is Zach Bond is gonna get moved to off ball linebacker like we did with um who was the pass rusher Son Reddicks, where it's like, all right, yeah, he's an incredible athlete and he was a pass rusher and now he's a linebacker. It's like, well that didn't work so well because he was a pass rusher. You made him a linebacker. I know what Kenneth Murray is,

art don't know what Zach Bond is. Our NFL front office is as a vanilla or simple, I guess is what I would say to get well, t J, why I just got defensive MVP. Maybe this guy's Wisconsin guy. You are offices think that way, because yeah, I would use him as in everything, But I think his strongest thing is when he rushes the passer. Yeah, so I like Zach bon I've gotten great and higher than Kenneth Murray. I have questions about how fast Kenneth Murray sees sees

the ball. I have plushed like he's motors and he's all over the place and all that stuff. But there are times when you're like, okay, like are you moving towards the ball yet, Like he's says a lot of control. Times. Yeah, Like he looks like he's he's overly aggressive, which is good. And I think when you look at Bond, he's a little bit more calculated in the way that he is aggressive compared to Murray, where Murray's just kind of flyball, sea ball, go ball, like kind of just go at it.

And I'm just worry that Bond's gonna go like eighteenth and somebody's gonna take this two hundred forty pound pass rusher and be like, all right, now, he's a will linebacker because he's six three, two forty. If he just ruins him, it's a totally new job. If you're drafting him that high, I hope you have a better clear cut idea of what you want to do. The top ten. Yeah, it's because someone's like, oh, went to the senior role

and he looked like he could cover. I'm gonna cheat because I can't completely just forget about the Cowboys when I do this, and Bond offers more of what I don't have. Like I'm okay with off ball linebackers. I mean, I'm assuming Laton vander Esh is gonna be healthy. He might be a right defensive end for me. Give me, give me, yeah, give me that guy. H Utah safety Turell Burgess versus Texas safety Brandon Jones. This is a good one. I really Burgess over Jones. I do too,

because I believe Burgess offers more as a cover guy. Yes, but do not play him in the box. I would love to, like, tell me what you think about Jones, because I didn't really know what to think first. That's another guy like it took me five minutes to even find him. Brandon Jones six foot two h five. I wrote here, let's see so many wide receivers. He ends

up playing a lot of slot corner carries. Jefferson down this against LSU down the field, perfect, Yeah, sideline to sideline speed in the run game against TCU, they're playing at three, three, five, and he's the fifth dB who's more of a third level linebacker. So that's where you're struggling to find him. Yeah, shows some versatility to play man in his own could probably trust him with backs and tight ends. Willing in the run game. Not the

quickest diagnoser. He will hit, can cover ground, aggressive and reliable open tackler. Sounds like I'm talking to Brian Broad Totally unrefineding coverage. Let's say you want to know about a player, I'll read you my notes. Tries to just catch guys when they get to him when he's asked to play man, collides and chases. He's a box guy with some athletic ability. I don't think. I think it's back to the football's a problem. If he's got to turn and run with a wide receiver, I think it's

a problem. And if you stood these guys next to each other, and I know if you're watching online you can see the grass, you're gonna see Brandon Jones look a lot bigger than Trell bur Trell Burgess got to be a cover guy on the back end. Brandon Jones, to me, has to be a strong and I think that's pretty definitive of what these guys can do. There's a play against I believe it's against Oregon where Tarrell Burgess is running charging towards the line. He blitzed a

lot and he was a very effective blitzer. But there's a player where he's charging to the line, he can blow up the running back and he just goes at the ankles last minute and doesn't lack wrap up or anything. And it's like, yeah, you're not gonna lay the lumber on anyone. Dude like is able cover guy, but I put that he's a dependable low tackler. He is going

for your ankles and he will get it. Yeah. Well, when I look at Tarrell Burgess, I look at a guy who's looking to kind of head hunt for Like you said, don't put him in the box, but he's gonna still step up and make a consistent tackle there. Whereas Brandon Jones, I just don't trust him and cover just much. I don't at all trust him and cover. I would be nervous. The justin the Justin Jefferson play against LSU was very impressive. My eyes kind of bulged

when I saw that. But I watched two other No, I watched two other games and didn't see it. I didn't see like an instinct to find the ball. I think I think he'll be a he'll be end of Day two, early day three, and he'll be a starting strong safety in the league. That's fine. I think that's what it'll be. I think he's better zone coverage inside ten yards up there. Yeah, I think that's probably where he mean. He spent his senior season basically playing linebacker.

That's fair. So yeah. But yeah, okay, so we get like five more of these, so put them in goodness? One more? Why not? Oh? Sorry? Yeah? Running backs haven't done running A lot of running back here, I haven't left a lot of running back. Swift is one of them. Take Swift. Do you guys want to not do running back? Do? Yeah? Next you do? Save that. I haven't watched a lot of defense Swift and Dobbins. I know they're both really good. How do you want to do defense? Yeah, I'll take

one of those. Tackle one. Okay, I've watched those guys. That's good. TCU defensive tackle Ross black clock. Oh, here he goes. We had a we had a thing here, little Kyle. Yesterday I watched him. I didn't see anything impressive versus Mike Crazy. Yes, yes, you're insane. All right, I need to watch more games. I guess Oklahoma defensive tackle in the Ville Gallimore. I got him both in the second round. I have Blacklock right ahead of Galimore to meet. Galimore is a really high upside guy, but

he's a redshirt senior who never had college production. Direct drafting. The glimpses that you see off the ball, tell him. Tell me about Blacklock. I watched him play Baylo Blacklock co defensive player that year in twenty seventeen. He was a monster for TCU. Got hurt with an achilles injury in the preseason of twenty eighteen, missed the entire season. So he comes back this year and he puts up three and a half sacks, active hands inside, he's a whenever.

He's kind of like what kin Law was at the Senior Bowl when we were talking with Nate Newton. He said, as if you can get the hands inside of an offensive lineman, he's gonna be tough to block. Three that was stuck playing the one at TCU. See that's yeah, every other and that's fine. This team needs all kinds of defensive tackles, but he was playing nose tackle and one technique the whole game and did not have a lot of opportunities, and it seemed like they would try

to create free runs for him. He's going to be better than a three. I thought he held his own against the run way better than Gallimore could ever dream of. I think he anchors down a little bit better, and I think he gives you a little bit of quickness. Gallimore's a better pass rusher, that is what I would say, But intently, I think black Luck is a far better run player than Gallimore is, and that's where I kind

of have them black Luck just above Gallimore. Well, the thing about Gallimore that I really liked initially, and I think it was our first show, Jeff and I kind of talked about it. In the lateral movement of Gallimore I liked. I think he can go side to side a little bit better than most defensive tackles. I think Blacklock can do it better than Gallimar. I really can do. I think he's more lateral than Gallimore and puts a

little bit on the table there. Plus he's bigger six four compared to six two, and I mean they're about the same size weight wise, ye had an achilles last year's we talked about twenty eighteen. He towards achilles. So if that bothers you, you know, the achilles is an injury? Does scare me? How much does that scare you? Though? In terms of a defensive tackle though? Is that a big enough red flag too? That stuff doesn't bother me in twenty twenty, like two years removed from it, I

think you're fine. Terrier People come back from torn ligaments all the time. But yeah, it's a bigger deal. It's weird. It's weird to say. But you talked about though, concur like recurring tendonitis like ken Law is scarier than like, oh I tore a ligament two years ago. Yeah, hopefully it gets into seventeen. Yeah, we'll see. Absolutely. I'll watch

more Blacklock. I just didn't. I didn't see anything, and get watching on tape like I'm looking for past rush ability, which I know that's not the full that's obviously not the full picture. Yeah, but I've seen more of it from Gallimore. I need to take a deeper, better, fast rusher than Blacklock. In my opinion, watch an Oklahoma State game. I will do that. Watch that. That's I watched immediately, and then I watched the Baylor game afterwards, and I

saw kind of what you were talking about. I think Baylor kind of ate their lunch in that regard. But that's gonna do it here for episode five of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Thanks so much, Katie for putting that together. That was fun. Good job. We'll address some of that here in a little bit. I don't know what's going on, but for David Hellman, for Kevin Turner, for Jeff Cavanaugh on Kyle Yeoman's We'll see you next Thursday. Here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com

Draft Show. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.