Draft Show: Getting Hypothetical

Draft Show, brought to you by Miller Lite. Hi. There, I'm David Hellman. In your in your radio or your headphones, however you're digesting this podcast. I'm joined by my buddies, Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us Kyle Yeoman's you know the drill? Jeff was the last player you watched. What's just all the tough questions? That's not a tough question. I don't know the order I watch him in. I guess Kirby Joseph was the last one. Who is he? H? Kirby Joseph is a safety out of Illinois that would be

a really nice player in the third round. Dave Senior Bowl Guy, right, boy. Yeah, yep, he's a senior bowl man. He falls in behind the top two groups. I guess. Okay, Kyle Hamilton Notre Dame, but you can't have so don't worry about it. Sure. Daxton Hill, Michigan, which for me is a cheater grade. First second, so somewhere near the end of the first round. Second round is jikuon Brisker, Penn State, Jalen Petrie, Baylor Lewis Scene, Georgia. Third round

is Kirby Joseph. I'm actually really glad you did that. We got a question about the safeties, so we can get into that in the second segment. It's not as cold outside as you think it is. It was when I left the house this morning. You have on a hoodie plus some sort of fur. It's seeing jacket. Yeah, thanks mann Man, you know, like he's doing Denver Bronco Radio. I like to look stylish if I think I'm gonna be on camera. Is that okay? You are looking good? Thanks? Sorry,

I'd like to take all that back. No, if you're looking good, it's okay. How's everybody else this morning? Great? Great? Yeah, nice little synergy. There you go. So all right, I asked Jeff about a prospect, but what I want to do today, and Brian, I think you'll appreciate this. Um. This is the frustrating thing about doing a draft podcast that starts in January is there's just a whole lot we don't know about what this team is gonna look like on April thirtieth or whatever day the draft starts.

And I think you're gonna stop doing the Draft show for a while. No, Ill figured out, No, I absolutely don't. But I do think it lends itself to some interesting conversations. If you remember, financially, you and I don't need to sing this stuff. That's a fair point. Let's not let's keep doing it. I was thinking four times a week, Yeah, Kyle and I don't get paid by the appearance. No, you guys can, Rin and I are going to do

two more a week. Yeah you two. Godspeed. But if you remember last year, it's a great example with Dak Prescott, like we wasted a lot of breath on quarterbacks before we knew that Dak was going to sign his deal. Long winded. Where I'm going with this is if you follow the Cowboys, you are aware Amari Cooper and DeMarcus Lawrence have been in the news recently. They're whispers about their futures. There's some uncertainty there. The Cowboys are projected

at twenty million over the salary cap. Maybe they're disillusioned with what they got out of those two players last season, and I just kind of want to take a deep dive at what that might look like and how that might affect the draft. And so let's just take a look at it. We don't know what's going to happen. Free agencies still a month away the start of the league years not until mid March, But can you envision that,

Why would the Cowboys do that? And how do you think that that would affect them heading into this draft. I think that they would do it. You know, the easy flip of a switch would be the Dak Prescott stuff to get the money. Now, figure out from there where you want to go and how you want to

shape your team. You know, talking to people outside of this building, you know there's guys that believe that that Tank Lawrence is going to be asked to take a reduction, you know, and whether he says yes or no could very well affect how things go for him and for the Cowboys going forward, as far as the defensive end position goes. They've also got to consider what's going on with Randy Gregory as well. Do you take that money

and then try and rally and get Randy Gregor. I think Randy Gregory is open to any ideas that you have talking some people once again and outside the organization. So yeah, I mean it will affect how you know, you've got to have a path to, you know, where you want to get to under the cap and then give yourself the opportunity to go get some guys this team obviously, and the reason why we start talking about the draft here in January is because his team likes

to draft, you know, the Dallas Cowboys. That's something that they tell you, Hey, you know, they were glad we have Will McClay. We're glad we have these scouts. We're glad we do this twenty four seven. So I think that the way, you know, once they figure out how they get under the cap, then now you'll start to see the direction of go and it could you know, let's see what you know happens with a Maori Cooper. You can't totally blame Amari for what happened last year

and I'll play a medal. But we did plenty of shows. I know, Jeff and I that June conversations that you have is over and under a Maury Cooper twelve hundred yards.

I'm you know, ceedee lamb over twelve hundred You know, you do these shows and you're every one of them is yeah over, yeah over, yeah over, And then you get to the end of the year and everything is under and you're like, okay, and there might be some you know, some talk about you know, with the Maury Cooper, he does, he plays banged up, he does go out there and do what he has to do. There's probably some things that happened because of the vaccination issue of

missing games. You know, that's a fair point. You know, so all these things come into play, and how they look at their draft is that they once they flip those switches, now it's like, okay, here we go. This is what we have to do. You know, you don't want them to force you know, they've forced players before, and we've got on them about that. We've got on them and we've talked about, hey, just take that best player and it's worked out for him. A couple of

different times. I think they're open to that, but again it's about getting everything in line. Say when we get to the start of the new league, gear spot on, because even Stephen Jones when we were talking with them in mobile, talked about that. The reason why they've taken Ceedee Lamb last or two years ago and Michael Parson's last year was because they set themselves up for success

by at least covering their bases. They weren't necessarily excelling in a couple of those directions, and I mean in a couple of ways. At least this year you saw jayren Curse that was supposed to be a whole fielder, Yeah, he ended up being an impact player. And that's the kind of value that this front office has to find this year, especially after paying your quarterback. It is. It's tough.

They're tough decisions on the horizon, and with guys like Randy Gregory and DeMarcus Lawrence, you would like to bring both of those guys back, but the reality is you're probably only going to bring one of those guys back. Real quick, cutting to Marcus Lawrence would carry a cap charge of nineteen million and save you eight if you were able to finagle a trade. It would be the same exact number. The same goes for a Maury Cooper a cap charge of six million, savings of sixteen million.

See now this is where this is where the side which one might be going. Yeah, this is this is where you know you have the discussion about trying to use than Amari Cooper as a trade piece if you're interested in moving on from him. Okay, I was going to go somewhere else. But that's interesting. What it's an idea, it's not something I mean to me, what do you think you could get for him? To me, I'm using

him with him in twenty four to try and go up. Now, the next trick is the draft show needs to figure out who you're going up for. You know that that's what we can find Again, I mean, okay, if you're trying to help, if the if the if you look at the first wide receiver we've talked Jeff and I did a show with Dane Brugler had this discussion last night. Is that you know when you look at the Jets, you know and Dane says, the first wide receiver he

has going off the board. Scarrett Wilson, Ohio State going to the Jets at ten. Okay, well, I'm going to give you an established wide receiver, you know, for your trouble for you know, for your pick. I'm going to give you an established guy, and I'm gonna let you come and pick at twenty four. So you use maybe you use that to your instead of saying, hey, we'll flip you two, or we'll do this or whatever, or

flip your one whatever, you know. I think I think Amari Cooper, you know, if you you know, to me, if I'm if I'm the Jets, I'm sitting and I'm looking, well, I can have an established wide receiver and I don't have to draft one that might be maybe, you know, I mean, everybody wants to draft the next, you know, the next big receiver. I mean the league has put a couple of them. If you look at Chase the last couple of receivers Lsu. Both Lsu kids have done

a really good job in the league. But everybody's looking for that next one, you know, and maybe maybe we'll see is that guy. But I'm going to give you a chance with your young quarterback to have a guy that's a route runner, a catcher, you know, and all those things, an established pro that's what I'm going to try and give you to move if I can. That's an interesting thought because if if you want to move, and if they'll take the deal. But I'm targeted three spots.

I'm going to three spots. I'm trying to go. You might want to go to the Commanders. The Commanders are a team that tried to sign him before. So you say, okay, well, hey, we'll let you come up and maybe you'll feel more comfortable about your quarterback at twenty four than you would at eleven. Trade him within the division. Ah, you know what, I'm really not interested in your feelings now, Yeah, I'm really not. I'm trying to win games. What about Ravens

at fourteen? Is that the third team? Yeah? You know, I think to me that you look at to me, the spots were the spots were ten, eleven, and fourteen. I think we're the three I was looking at. I would love to look at. I'm looking at the cap situation for these teams. You know that the Jets have Yeah, that's why I start. That's why I started. The Commanders have thirty. Yeah, but yeah, the Ravens maybe not so much. Just nine. Like I say, you're gonna need spots, and

you know you maybe could float the ideas and stuff. Again, It's just it's something. If you're going to move on from Amari Cooper, do it in a way that benefits maybe him and benefits you. Jeff, can you sell me on a path that this team improves without one or both of these players? Oh? Absolutely, Yet it please, because I'm not feeling the optimism. I can't sell you on them being better man for man on paper at all. But I could sell you on how in the world

could this team not block for two months? If you have an offensive line that is competent and a quarterback who is further removed from a major surgery then a calf strain plus a shoulder in training camp, if you get your quarterback back to the way we're used to seeing him consistently play, and you get him protect did and you're able to block lightboxes, which is asking very little of an NFL offensive line. I'm asking you, when the numbers are even, can you block them the last

two three months into the season. The answer was no. So will you replicate the number of turnovers you forced on defense? Probably not? Will you be better by subtracting to Pro Bowl caliber players at important positions. No, not on paper, but if you give him a quarterback back and he looks confident and decisive and he's protected and you can run block, yeah, your team could be better.

So willieve that when you're trading up. If if you're trading up and you're using Amari Cooper as that piece, is that meaning go and get in front of the Eagles to maybe try and go get your lender bomb or maybe go I think that would be the tough part. And Brian tell me, if you have your brain in a certain place when you're going up, I might go get with those tackles. Yeah, okay, so maybe it's a Cross, maybe it's Yeah, maybe it's which whichever win those tackles falls.

Because I think Neil is going to go. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Nils the number one pick. I think the Alabama left tackle um should go number one. But they may pick an edge guy. Uh, cross is your number one? He is, so you would love that. I would. He's there at ten, twelve, fourteen, and you go get him. Yeah, it's a perfect understudy for Tyrn Smith. But can you play guard immediately or am I trading up to Happy? Well, what I'm doing, actually, what I'm no,

I'm putting. I'm putting Lyle Collins at left guard and I'm playing cross at right tackle. Oh okay, yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. What if Lyle is not game for that, well, then I'm getting on the phone and I'm talking to the next team in the second round that would like Lyle Collins. I mean, he didn't totally have an option. I mean, I guess he could say, you know, but it would be all right, all right, then you're not gonna play football, and uh, it's gonna

make teams not want you very much. You're not gonna play football here. I don't know. It's just it's an interesting thought, I do. I mean, he a guy with that kind of stature, with some money in the bank, has a little bit of leverage in terms of I think he lost. I think he lost his leverage really when he decided that he didn't want to take drug tests and things like that. That's fair. I think that,

you know, allegedly, sir, yeah, allegedly allegedly. Yeah, see, you're you're ready to move and shake is what I hear from around captain trade up. You know you do not support that. By the way, captain trade up is evil, opposite all my trading down is allowed. You would support it if it didn't take one of your picks away, right, Uh? Yeah, okay.

I actually am pretty happy about picking at twenty four in this dram too, because when you ask me, like, hey, if you could trade up, and let's say it's six or eight spots, who would you pick? My answer is going to be one of the guys I'm planning to pick at twenty you would already pick there because the league's just going to sort it out for me. Yeah. Like the three names that I'll just keep throwing until

they're all off the board. If they are Kenyon Green Texas A and M guard Nakobe Dean Georgia linebacker Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa center, there's a better than based on talking to my huge draft insider Dane Brugler last night, there's a better than fifty percent chance at one of those threes at twenty four. Yeah, and I'd be going up for one of them, and I don't have a giant preference between the three. I'd be thrilled with any of them,

so I don't need to go. But if you wanted a corner or an offensive tackled, then yeah, then you could maybe one of those corners. I mean, if you really there's get Derek Stingley Stingley. Sure, yeah, people people are whispering about Stingley because and man, you just freaking gritted your teeth bigger than you guy. No. No, it's been two years plus since he put good tape out. I watched his tape from this year. He can still play UCLA game is pretty good. Still, he is still

a sticky son of a bit. And there's the then there's the when he wants to party. See there you go. I mean again, and I ripped Kyle for doing that the other day. But what are you saying Stingley didn't like sports? Where you got him? No fourth round? Right? I got him in the fourth. I absolutely, it's funny. I'm him in the first. I think Stingley's an interesting conversation because he's got top three pick talent. Sure, but

I could see him. I mean, he's not going to slide to like I would be shocked if he's there at twenty four. But he's the second corner off the board. I could see him sliding. I can't. I'd sell you what when I could be anywhere from nine or ten to twenty four. What I learned last night in talking with Dane and these conversations we always have with each other, is that his range on Linden Bomb was sixteen to thirty. He said, sixteen to thirty, And I go, is there

is there a bigger gap of and may? He said, well maybe these quarterbacks, Maybe these quarterbacks will have a bigger spread. We're gonna get to that of where they can go. And I've kind of thinking, like sixteen to thirty. I'm like wow, because Linden Bomb's not gonna go to a gap blocking team, no, So it limits the options a little bit because you're gonna have a six foot two, two hundred ninety guy and you're gonna tell him, hey, your job is to stay off on the nose tackle

and move him five yards. So your job is going to be we're running stretch, we're running zone. So that limits here. So when he when he go, when he goes to when he goes at eight, are we just going to look at each other and like, yeah, we had him right the whole time. And I mean, I mean seriously, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes eight. That's what I'm saying. The top ten player in the draft for me easily. Yeah, And that's what I mean. And you know, and you know Lancer Line

another guy. Lance really knows these offensive lineman really really well. And he's like, listen, this is a top eight player on my board. But but again he's racked him at like thirty or thirty one exactly. Wow? Is that just because of sizes? A question marks there? Oh, that's the thing. He's a two hundred and ninety five pound guy, That's what he is. I'm loving this conversation. But before we lose,

I'm sorry I took you down a bad before. If the draft shows for wherever you know, Brian, you take us down great paths. But I sometimes you don't. I don't get the impression that any of y'all are sweating this uncertainty with these all pro caliber players on the Cowboys roster. It's it's to me, it's gonna work out either. You know, they're gonna do what they want to do and they're gonna ask Tank to take a pay cut, and he's going to tell him to know he's I'm not.

And then if they move on from him, Tank probably feels like he could get two years forty million dollars. He could get twenty million a year from somebody out there. And if you could do that, you turn down your opportunity to make less, you say absolutely not, thank you, I'll move on and guaranteed money. Again, we talked more about Amari at the top, but what does that look

like like? What is I think that's more cut and dry myself, and you just get that money to Randy Gregory and I think all today, I think that's the you know, then now it turns into okay, all the Jeff's going to give you a name, a bunch of names of really good wide receivers to think about this last June one him right. That way, you save nineteen, you save more money if they hit over two years, and in theory, you're saving nineteen this year, but you're

also going to eat eight million next year. But again, I'm trying to if I know that I'm going to move on from him, I'm trying to use him as trade bait. I'm using him to go up instead of having to use a pick. I think if I want to go get one of those tackles Dane June one trade, you only save eight million. Post June one trade, you save nineteen Not to mention, I think tanks deal makes him harder to move. Yes, because you've you've read. Oh, no,

I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not thinking about the tank thing is either going to be Oh you were talking about I'm about trading. Yeah. The only one I really could think about was the Amri one myself. That I mean, that's the one that to me, that's a younger wide receiver and established what twenty seven? Yeah, established wide receiver, trying to help a team with a

young quarterback. That's why targeted the Jets at ten. Now, have any of you considered the alternative to talking about a Mari or Tank being gone, which is some fans would like this team to be all in. So I went on over thecap dot com the other day. You flipped a bunch of switches. I checked everyone who you could restructure. I mean, if you just restructure everyone, yeah, you keep everyone, and you have fifty million dollars to spend. Yeah,

it's gonna hurt later. Wow, because we're moving Tank money money, Zeek money, Deck Money, Colin's money, Tiring money, Zac money. Two years down the road, it's gonna hurt. Yeah, you're you're done. I'm at your getting the lake. Yeah, you would end up in Saints territory where your coach just quits because he's like, this doesn't look fun anymore, Gotta go. And it's like, wait, but you did this to our cap It's like, I gotta go on the TV. That's what you're supposed to do when you have a chance

to get a championship. Though team just won twelve games, you don't have a chance to win a championship. I don't know if they're as close as the Saints were during that window of time. I'm just asking. I think you could probably find a medium there, right, you can find a balance. I would. I would reach. You can restructure Amar. I would restructure a Mari. I would do that. I'm not trying to play without him in twenty twenty two? Am I crazy? No? You're not. I don't think you're

crazy according to me or you or him or him. No, but we don't get to pick. I was gonna say that's not Brian. Brian makes the very apt point of like they're gonna do what they're gonna do. We're thirty one point two percent chance of Mary Cooper's here next year. There's a fi fifty four point two percent chance Tank's going to be here. He's good with these working with

him on the radio. I think there's a better chance Tank is here because it's way easier to understand to Savings with why like with him, Yeah, Tank is with him to move. Yeah, with Tank, you're eating twice as much as you're saving. Right with Amar, you're saving two and a half times what you're eating. I just think it's much easier in terms of the math of what

you're looking to do. Which one's easier to replace? Though, because I'm looking at the draft, I know neither one are going to be I'll tell you what though, this defensive theory or receivers the edge spot is a lot easier. Ryan's play tell me on George Carloft that way. I think. I think in theory, receiver is much easier to replace than good edge. No. To me, there's a couple of deep positions. I kind of you know we're talking last night.

Linebacker is another one edge, linebacker, receiver, safety. I mean there's some good positions some you know, the Cowboys sitting right where there are. I think they're going to be fine. But again, if you want to go the only reason I would go up, in my opinion, is if I could get maybe the best corner or I could get the best offensive tackle out of this thing. That's what I'm thinking about, because I might have a chance of

getting the center at my spot. Sure, I do think there's a plethora of wide receiver's bilaball all the time. Now I'm gonna counter myself real quick, but you are talking wide receiver one like real life number one. Yes, a number one wide receiver about the time of that guy, I think, yeah, versus kind of my thing is ceedee lamb. Yeah. You tech the theoretically should have a wide receiver one. You do have one. You you drafted him at seventeen, he had over Mars gone. Now I need a wide

receiver two and a wide receiver three. Well, if you don't keep a Mari or you, I think they would at least keep one or the other of Michael Gallop and or Cedric Wilson. So there's your two potentially maybe your three, and you're looking probably easier to keep than than Gallop. Thing I think. I think I think people realize that Gallop will be healthy and ready to go. I really just had surgery, I know, but I think you'll be I think people I'll be ready in August.

I'll be honest. The Gang of Seven. I think I want to keep Gallop because I don't want Cedric Wilson in the way. Cedric Wilson's in the way because he plays in the slot, and that means CD's not in the slot, get in my way. I would very much I would prefer to keep Gallop, and I would love to try to do it on like a one or two year situation because of the injury. I mean, it sucks that he's hurt, but he's hurt the whole year. Whinny and receiving CORP could be Michael Gallop, Cede Lamb,

and either Jalen Toilbert or John metchi Byam. I'm cool with that. And that's two. If you're three, are gonna like miss training camp probably, so I mean that cares about training camp. A lot of people we don't count games in training camp. That's fair all right, that's a lot to consider without a lot of answers. But I don't know, hopefully, I think it's important to just kind of lay that out at least these are conversations that are going to be had over the next five or

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don't know much about it. Good bull ridership. We're running late so I'm just gonna hop into it without any fanfare. Twitter on you just right off the rip man. That was late. It was a robust conversation. It's okay, No, we're staying on track saying was my fault? Yeah, screw you, guys. Andrew wants to Andrew wants you to compare Jabril Cox and Nakobe Dean. Are they similar or not similar players? I will say they are very not similar. I agree

with that. Yeah, Jabril Cox. If you're a draft nerd like we are, my Jabril Cox very optimistic comp is he played college ball like Fred Warner played college ball. Lanky, long, smooth, easy coverage guy, not necessarily a good run defender. Now Fred Warner has turned into that that's Jabril Cox. Like long, big, rangy but not fair to say, but not violent, physical run filler. You're drafting Jabril Cox or you drafted Jabril Cox for what he does away from the line of scrimmage.

You're drafting Dean for what he does at the line of script. The biggest difference, the biggest difference in my opinion, is that when you watch Cox play at LSUE, he didn't always see it as quick. That was the thing. Once he saw it though, he was gone. He was gonna go get it with Dean. Dean sees it before it's happening, and then he's gone. That's the biggest difference. You talked about long, lanky and all that and tall

one to six two one to six foot. You know there's a difference, but but they go to the ball. The thing about it is, though, it's the how he initially sees and diagnoses the play that's the biggest difference. In my view, it's a quick recognition and the first step ability. Dean is so downhill and so fierce whenever he does see that supercharged Nick Bolton. It's easy. It's easy to draw comparisons between guys that wear the same uniform.

But and he's not as big, but Dean just reminds me of Roquan Smith the way that he's that right on the ball carrier the minute that gets the ball, like he's just always there. The toomp would be more between Devin Lloyd and Jabril Cox if you wanted to do a linebacker in this class. Again, I think Devin Lloyd is a better prospect because he is also good coming forward, making a much plays on the other side

a line of scrimmage, but he's your longer coverage. I alluded to this in the first segment, but Mike just wants an idea of what you think about the safety class the top of it at least, and we talked about jet I think there's some really good safeties we've mentioned. Kyle Hamilton. I think he's a generational type safety. I think he's going to come in, be a starter and

immediately be a star in this league. Even with some of the height and maybe some of the quickness or concerns just based off of how big he is for the position. I don't have any concerns. I think he's a phenomenal player. Dax Hill right there from Michigan as well, He's a phenomenal player. Lewis signed up at the top. Chiquon Brisker signed by the way from Georgia. Brisker from Penn State. And I really like Sterling Weatherford out of Miami, Ohio,

so him at the Senior Bowl. Got to watch a little bit of tape of him last week, just kind have been passing. I haven't done a complete report on him yet, but I like some of the stuff I saw from him. Another long, lanky range safety. You can play over the top centerfield guy. I just think there's a lot of top heavy guys in this class. But you could go down the list, I know. Jokingly, the tongue in cheek was Jalen Petrie. Sure, I think there's

guys in that range. Second, third, fourth round. The cam Taylor Britt out of Nebraska, Kirby Joseph out of Illinois. He moved him to safety from corner. Is what you did? Who? Taylor Britt? Yes? I did? Okay, Yeah, that's a lot. There's some people projecting that. Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong. I just get the sense Kyle Hamilton should be one of the first ten or twelve players picked. Yes, and then it sounds like the rest of the good safeties and wow, do we get to ten with the Jets.

Now you're talking, that's exciting if you're telling me, you know, I watched like half of a game of Kyle Hamilton, Because I'll be honest, the guys who you're not gonna have a at I wouldn't hurry. I'm not so am I trying to watch watch Haydon Hutchinson last night for the first time. What do you think, because what do I care? Right, No, I'm because I'm agressive though he's very good. Yeah, I actually would take Thibadeau over Hutchins. I'm there too, but I had in that way as well. Um,

I feel bad now I need to change that. Yeah. Yeah, Kyle Hamilton, I was watching him. I was like, the six foot twenty pounder that keeps falling over, like, that's the top five player in this class. But I watched like a half of football. It's pretty good. Which game did you watch? He's pretty good because I think there's there's not a whole lot of wasted steps in his

doesn't step Cincinnati? Yeah, yeah, I watched Cincinnati. Like, he makes one great play where he blitz his off the edge and jumps up in bats of ball down Like, holy crap, that's a condor that runs really fast. That's awesome. That's what I'm all on his tape the rest of the time. And then I'm watching other players and I'm like, Okay, he can't cover receivers. The stopping go isn't very good.

He gets stuck in space. Um so I'm look, the whole world doesn't think a guy's a top five player and he's not good, So I just need to watch him more. Just put it out there. But well, the point I was gonna make is outside of him, the rest of these guys sound like thirty to sixty type of players like that range. Well, you know, I thought, well Hill might go before that. Yeah. The thing when I was watching Dax Hill play from Michigan, the first time I thought that was Dallas's pick at twenty four

could be I tweeted about it. I'm like, I just watched Dallas's pick at twenty four. This was the first started, you know, in December looking at this playing guy. Yeah, I kind of feel like though two though, with the say and Dane made a really good point last night, is that maybe some of these guys that we think that might be twenty to twenty five or twenty to thirty five whatever, guys, if we I don't think we're going to get our normal number of first round players

eighteen to twenty guys, Oh no, I have four or five, six, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Yeah. See what I'm saying, You're gonna be down maybe seven or eight guys. So guys that you thought about that might be you know, at seventeen, maybe Green might be that example guy. I think a lot of people have Green that guard for me and him in the round.

If you don't, if you don't have some of those guys like that, Oh Widemeyer, the tied end from Texas A and M. I don't have him as a first round tight end, but he might be taking at twenty one, twenty two, twenty somewhere around around there. You know what I'm saying, So let him go bring me Tray McBride. Well, no, that's I'm saying. They're plenty of I'm just saying though, that there's a lot of people that the number usually that number is eighteen to twenty A first round grades.

And if you only have like Jeff's talking about, you have eleven to thirteen first round grades, that means there's gonna be a lot of those guys like from fourteen on on your board. You're trying to tell me to prepare for chaos. Yes, oh yeah, this is gonna be fun. This one's good. We always say it's gonna be fun because the quarterbacks, but maybe the lack of them is

gonna make it fun. Remind me to go back to the safeties, because that's the topic real quick, but just for fun because like the guys even I know it's early in mock drafts, who cares. They're just fun little exercises. But guys who are really plugged in, they look very different. You'll see Tyler Linderbaum in the top ten. Then you'll see him at thirty one. You'll see na Kobe Dean at number eight, and you'll see him at number twenty nine. You'll see Devin Lloyd, same thing. He goes twelve. Nope,

he goes twenty six like Stingley. Is he gonna go three or is he gonna go eighteen? Like it's gonna be all over the place, and you'll just see what happens in the safety class. I think it's a good safety class. You mean the safety I like this. You have to see what happens because we are talking about ranges. Is there a chance that Kyle Hamilton, Daxton Hill, Jaquon Brisker, Jalen Petreet, Lewis Sene are all gone by the time you pick in the second round? Yeah? Yeah, But if not,

one of those is a good second round pick. Kirby Joseph Can I get him in the third? The Illinois guy and still guys, I gotta watch. Yeah, but Verne McKinley out of Oregon. It's like Richie Grant and Travan Merrick all over again, except but in this case they were like safety two and three. Yeah, I'm talking about safety five and six. Yeah, it's fair. Actually, you're gonna have a shot at drafting a starting safety in the

second and third round. This lends itself well to the next question, Sports two Trill wants to know that's his name? Love it best? A best case scenario. In a best case scenario for the Cowboys, how many of these quarterbacks could you realistically see going in the first twenty three picks? Three tops. I think corral will pick it. I don't know Willis. I don't know if people will like Willis as much as I like Willis. I think he's going

to test really well. And it's quarterback starved league. Everybody's not gonna be able to trade for the or Watson or whatever the first one. We'll see what happens. You know, the Commanders Washington, give me another team that could take a quarterback. Three could be gone. About Minnesota, Oh, they they've already got well, they got the kids from Ay and m Yeah, and well, I guess Zimmer's gone. But Zimmer told you what he thought about Well, and I'll

tell you what. Kellen Mond is okay in one school out there. Don't listen to this. He can't play in the NFL. Pick it out the quarterback. He couldn't complete passes outside the numbers in college football. It's true, he ain't playing the NFL. I'm looking at it. I mean New Orleans in there, New Orleans, Uh, Denver, Washington, Pittsburgh, maybe Minnesota, maybe you maybe Cleveland, maybe Cleveland. You can get three. It could be there, you could get three gone.

Or it could be an EJ manual year where one is gone. I mean, Howell's got a Howel's got him, How's got a shot? I think Hall and Pikett. I mean me personally, I have a Willis, Hall and Pickett. That's how I have my order. So at least two will be gone, and I bet three will be gone. I like where it's correct. That's the first one is the top one. The other three guys, I have the second round. Guys, gotcha? Jason has a Senior Bowl follow up?

What are your thoughts on Daniel Fallele The gigantic Minnesota tackle and Darian Knard out of Kentucky. There's such a thing as too big. M You look around all terrified like that that's what he is. That's what he has on a radio heat steal like this is his way or not drop the grenade and then move. Yeah, well, I just I like, it's it's fun if you can be a nifty but as he six eight three idea

or whatever. Nuts. But it's just like you're gonna and maybe I'm wrong about this, but I've already seen things about the Jets where they're like, hey, McKay Beckton, wait where is he? And it's just like a giant guy who you guys can tell me how he did the Senior Bowl. My understanding was, sorry, I wasn't particularly impressed. I mean not that I got beat by all the quicker guys. I's just say that everybody who had any kind of spit speed coming off the edge and he

kind of get off. Yeah, HiT's wwe. The problem is like, look at the guy like Neil and you understand why Neil was that big, and then the first round players and then you watch this kid and then you see the lack of foot quickness, and then that that's the thing that really that kind of takes you back, and he gets really tall out of his stance and it's hard for him to move. And Jeff's right, there's a point in time where you're too big. Evan Neil's as

big as you're allowed to be. Yeah, when you're three fifty seven, it's a lot different than being like three seventy nine or whatever. This kid is. He's sure as hell looked. I mean, it's it was wild looking at him, like huddling up with the other guys and Trevor Quinning just looking across from each other. People people are going to talk about remember Orlando Brown coming out of Oklahoma.

Ye remember how I mean that's a guy that was six eight threety five pounds okay, and tested as the worst, tested as the worst athlete, and next thing you know, he's playing on Pro Bowl exactly. So for every time that you might think that these guys can't maybe the lack of foot quickness and all, someone's gonna remind you of Orlando Brown in that whole thing about can Yeah, I didn't necessarily think he lived up to the billing and mobile mostly because I think he's banged up. I

think he's got a knee issue. He's wearing the braces on the knee. I mean, this is one of the most experienced guys in terms of college football and actual snaps throughout his career. I'm not impressed with the hand strength, with the quickness and the timing with his hands. I was a little I thought it left a little bit to be desired, especially when going up against guys like even Travis Jones and company throughout the Canard. So I don't know I was. I was going into it expecting

him to be the best lineman there. I use the word lumber or lumberie or lumber six times. He doesn't look it's not a word I want, and my scouting doesn't look smooth. He he'll lock you up, he'll move you. He's strong as hell. Yeah, he lumbers. Yeah. The thing about it is the thing is the balance. I mean, you watch him and something. When his head goes down.

He is toast, you know. I mean, and a lot of offensive lineman when they lunge or they get over extended, And a lot of has to do with what Kyle is talking about. Your hands, Will you put your hands hand placement, your punch, the ability to sit down with your bend your knees and stuff. And this kid he is You're right though, I mean he is massive. He gets movement in the running game. There's times you see him like guys can't get around him or through him.

But then again, there's those balance issues that kind of like it's it's you great him on sixty play sixty five plays, five of the plays, it's like, oh God, what just happened kind of a thing. So I think I know why John asked this question based on our first segment. He notes that Amari Cooper what helped him so much here he was a very He was Dak friendly, He got open, he got separation, he made life easy on Dak is a Mari Dak friendly. He wasn't twenty eighteen,

for sure. I think was he Dak friendly in twenty eighteen or did it give you a good receiver? I mean, I think because like I feel like the thing with Dak is well, I love I love Dak. I'm a big Dak fan. But like Amari Cooper, I think a lot of people over the last couple of years you would have expected more catches, more yards. I think that's fair. I think, and Dak was hurt. My reasoning for this is Dak and I think his accuracy has improved over the years, But Amari Cooper was just a guy that

was easy to get the ball too. Sure he'll get open in that. With that in mind, is there a receiver like that I get basically a route runner, a technician if you will, that you've seen in this draft class. One David Bell from Purdue just really yeah. He put up big numbers, wow, six foot two, two hundred and five pounds, and he I mean, he's one of those like traditional X receivers and he's he plays bigger, but he plays quicker than what he looks like even on

paper with the two oh five. He has great route running ability, very sharp in his in his cuts, and I think he can catch the football pretty well, good pinpoint accuracy with the or being able to high point the ball. Good receiver. One of the three guys that I've watched, and so I'm pretty pretty solid about this guy. I feel good about him because he's better than the other two that I've watched. I kind of started, I'll give you a guy, I'll give a guy. We and

we mentioned him because I wasn't. Tilbert is good. No, Tilbert can catch the ball. You're absolutely right about that. Is he a route runner though? Yes, yeah, he yes, Well I would say he, I would say vertical stuff. He's stuff is great. He's a technician, yeah, like he is one of those guys changed his speed. The reason that he gets open deep even though he's not a burner, is the same reason he gets open on other routes, which is he knows how to get to the corner.

Get him, head up, stem him. If you want to use football space. He knows how to stem him. He knows how to change speeds in the route. He knows how to make you think I'm doing something I'm not. Jalen Tulbert, South Alabama, second round. I'm cool with it. I'll give you a guy. When I watched Drake London again, I talked about the USC side. I thought he was a bigger version of Adam falin. Holy cow, that's what I thought. Catching the football. He was listed at six five.

There's no way he's six five, right. He's a big boys, a big boy. Adam Fealand is six two to a one when he came out. So but I thought he Like I said, I thought he was a bigger version of Adam Falin when I watched this guy play, because he lines up inside, outside, he catches the ball all over the field. It doesn't matter where it's thrown, it's coming. He's coming with it. I mean he's going to catch

the ball easily. You talk about a guy that's very quarterback friendly, this kid right there, because USC struggles with a quarterback. They got all those high price guys out there, and they play him like you know, they shuffle him in and out. This guy they target him like thirteen fourteen times a game and he comes away with eleven twelve catches every single time. I mean, he is a guy when you watch him play what he I mean? I just you talk about a friendly quarterback, friendly player.

That's the guy. And it's dumb to try to predict the exact range people are gonna go in. But I'm gonna throw out a name that I think is gonna fall between your first and second round pick, most likely Chris Olave. Yeah, that's the second one you mentioned. If you want a route runner and a technician and a smooth operator, that is the smoothest dude in this class. I love. We talked about this on Tuesday, but like he was, he was the name to know on Ohio State at the start of the year, and now he

almost feels like an athlete. So we then know what the jigbo was. That's what I'm saying. And now it turns out that Garrett Wilson aren't as good as the one who's staying. I mean, yeah, it's like Alabama running back. I'll tell you Garrett, listen. Garrett Wilson is wide receiver one in this draft for me, wide receiver one, and he and he wasn't the best one on his college team. The my current defensive tackle number one is it Georgia? Maybe my DT one into my guy. They weren't the

best defensive tackles on their team. Talked about this draft ineligible Jalen Carter. I want him, he wanted. Yeah. When twenty three drafts come back, three man, we tank this year for Jalen Carter. Tank the draft next year. We need to listen, Let's eat some dead money, get all the contracts off the books that get out of the way. Yeah, and let's try to get the top five next year and get Jalen Carter Georgia d tackle. Here we go. I'll tell you what I like what you're doing. Then

thank you. I can I go back with the lobby real quick? Ye can we get for dad? H No, this isn't. This isn't. This team will let you talk about stuff like that, Believe it or not. Anybody else would get fired. Let's just want to run like the one to say one thing about a lobby real quick? Yeah, rush one a game that if the lobby Like most college players, it's like get one foot down and bounce kind of a guy. This guy's always getting two ten three. He knew he was gonna ge in the NFL. This

guy knew he was gonna be an FL receiver. Every time you watch him tight throw whatever along the sidelines in zone corner whatever, two feet, two feet, two feet. He's not trying to just drag one. He's dragging. He's putting two downs knowing that. But he's a slight guy. I mean he's a six break tackles. Yeah, he's six to one, he's one hundred and eighty two pounds. I don't want to hear the slight stuff anymore after DeVante Smith,

I mean no, but devant the differences. Davante Smith is a more explosive mover, so he can get off press and do a little more after catch like a love is super smooth, but he's not gonna really make you miss after I'm gonna run through an arm tackle. He might struggle against press. But if you tell me you can get him in the slot or get him a clean release, Chris Alove will be open or will him in the slot over ceedee lamb Because earlier you said you want to see to say no? Is that troubling trying?

Can you make it interchangeable, you dude, make make it all work. Both play a little bit of every which is fine. You get a guy who can do both. Did you just trade Deak? Yeah, I was trying to get Jalen Cartere. Oh yeah, Georgia, and you'll know you will. You want of tackles that are about to be directing the first round, they're terrible when you're next to him. Eight years of doing this, you've learned you pick up other guys that you're trying to watch the one guy

you're trying to study. Yeah, Jeff's trying to get rid of the franchise quarterback for a defensive tackle. Yeah, go after him on. I am clearly doing bits to express my love for that defense people. Yeah, exactly, that's all all right. I have a good one from Stephen, but Stephen just not know Stephen with a V could be okay. I don't know if Stevens accountant somebody I know people inside the organization listen to this. So if you're listening, shoot me a text and tell me if Steven listens

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for you. See more, do more. I'm wearing them right now. Oh yeah, yeah, you get those. I need to get some kind of sounds like an elf from Lord of the Rings. It's really nice folks to do a great jo. They do a great job. Vanity Fair. Vanity Fair did a big expose on the Rings of Power. Show that's coming out not it's good stuff. I'll send it to you, Thank you. It's a podcast. You two can do. What is going on? Let's get it. Jeff, Jeff and I

are both show on HBO, Amazon Prime. Yeah, it's gonna be a mud on the face show the Face, all right, that's what should be called mud on the face. Look, that's all I wanted to dress up like one of them. We don't have time to do some weather you Ian had some fur on earlier. Brian refused to watch Game of Thrones, but he wanted so desperately to be part of the conversation that he would like read the recaps.

He's like, oh, that show stupid. But I'll be damned if I'm not gonna be able to talk me about this damn dragon. It's whipping everybody's ass, everybuddy's skin. Would do the same thing. He would watch like eight minutes and then just start screaming about dragons, dragon stuff, mud on your face show. Yeah, maybe Jeff and I will launch a Tolkien podcast. Hilarious. So this is what I

wanted to talk about anyway, sort of. But Stephen, all right, so we'll start with we'll start with Steven's question, how do you pre free agency? We obviously know a lot's going to change, but how do you rank right now these needs? Receiver, linebacker, safety, edge right right right this second. I we can't predict what's going to happen between now

and markets. Okay, this is going to change, and it doesn't matter because also the least valuable position of the group technically right now safeties number one and linebackers probably number two. Because you don't have enough on the roster. You go, um, just pure bodies. You need them, you

gotta sign them. You gotta find a way to fill those holes prior to drag once we get to because otherwise you're starting safeties right now, Donovan Wilson and Israel Mquamo those would be your starting safe and you're starting linebackers would be Jabriel Cox and Micah Parsons, and you have Francis Bernard hanging out somewhere. And that's it. Um, you don't have enough players at those spots. They will fix that in free agency and this order will change.

But today that's it. Well, Randy Gregor is a free agent, edges a needing and going back to its absolutely right receiver and edge. Again, this ties into what we talked about in the first segment. I just he said it's gonna if it changes. I'm terrified at what that could look like because right the second you could play receiver because you have a Marie Cooper, Ceedee Lamb Semi Fihoko. But what well and if you bring back Jabren Curse, this whole list could flip, because I away with you

on the order, it could completely the diverse. It'll be a wide receiver first, then edge then okay. So now try to predict the future for me. What do you see it being when all is said and done, Wide receiver first, then going into into Okay, let's do most likely that they will plug with a body they believe is capable of starting, because in theory, they're going to get all of it filled in right, They're gonna get what they do. They'll get random free agents so that

they can draft close to their board. Because of the way they seem to value safety, I would imagine they're going to bring at least one of them back, and safety will go away as one of your safety will become I think safety will become either three or four. Right, safety will probably go away. Colin, I think I think Malik Hooker is a starter here next year. I think

Hooker and Curse are back. In my opinion, I don't know about Curse, and the reason why Curse would stay is because I think he would take a little bit less money than he could get elsewhere just to be back with dan Quinn and when market value what we think it is, like, we know we had a good year. Does the league think that he had a good year? And I don't know. Well if also, you might be in a situation too. We're talking about all these safeties in the draft. Somebody might say, we don't need to

go get this guy. I mean, I just look at it in the sense that Curse is a seventh year VET drafted in the sixth round. He signed here for one mill, Like, he's never had a real NFL payday, and so if somebody offers him something I could, Yeah, he's gonna, I would take it. He's gonna. He's like, this might be the only chance I ever have to make good NFL money. But why couldn't you get that here though, because dan Quinn could go across the hall

and say, I need We don't have no money. I know, I know, but whatever everything brands out, Yeah, maybe that's probably right. Let me ask you this, though, guys, the number one need if if all things flip, it's gonna be wide receiver. I agree because left guard. Well, you're yeah, you were talking about earlier and you mentioned you mentioned about the whole thing about the the core back and blocking all that stuff like that. If this guy's got nobody to throw the ball too, Yeah, you gotta help

your quarterback, right. Yeah, we saw what receiver by committee. You and I lived receiver by committee first. Yeah, we lived like eight weeks every Yeah, we live that. Okay, if you want, if you want to throw, if you want to throw in the sneaky it's not a sneaky need. But the left guard spot is a need unless unless they address it with putting their golden child at right tackle and moving Lyle Collins the left guard. Yeah, that's

that's where that's where this thing can that. They could take everything out of now adding a guy or two, sure, let's do it. But as far as a need, if they move Collins, that's going to take them out of draft in a green or somebody like that. I believe bold, my bold prediction, or you can tell me if it's bold. One of their first three picks, and quite possibly two is going to be a receiver. I don't think that they one or two they will pick up there. Yeah,

they're looking at receiver. I don't think that's that bold because I think I mean, here, I thought I brought something spicy, bold, and tangy to the table. Anything's tell me it's bland. If you would have said that in the middle of season, it would have been bold. If you would have said that in week fourteen. Yeah, hey, they're gonna go get a wide receiver in the first three rounds of the draft. I'm just not OPTI I'm just not optimists. This glass between us, I can't get

to you. Do you have good reach your former offensive ya might cut might cut your arms down by your kneecat got me on two foot you reach gyle over here. I don't know. I just I don't know. It's it's early, but I just think the writings on the wall, I just think that's the one kind of the one position. Or maybe you can give me another one where you're like, I promise you their first three picks, this position will be kind of still offensive line. I still kind of

feel like linebackers in that too. I would say, honestly, odds we hit them all there, offensive line, wide receiver, and linebacker or think order. I think there's a high chance at that. When do you think they would have to make a decision about Elsie if that's going to happen, and I have heard no mblings from anybody to give him the whole offseason to do it. I'm saying, yeah, see,

we won't. You won't hear that because we need to be smarter about the questions that we might ask when that pre draft meeting about moving guys around, You know that mean we might not see this until we get out there to the OTA practice and they're already and then Lyle Collins's plan out. You just called me out,

but make it a point to ask about it. No, no, But but I'm also saying this, though the question needs to be asked, is there any consideration of moving see to me after after the failure of the second time, well, I really want to failure. But when after after they moved McGovern out, I would have gone ahead and put Collins over at guard and put Steel at right tackle, just to see, give me fourth, Hey, we're not running the ball, we're really not protecting. Is it really the

problem at the left guard spot? And I would have I would have at least looked at that to kind of get an idea. But to me personally, like I said, if you go up in this draft, I'm gonna go get one of those tackles, and I'm gonna move Collins to the left guard. That's what I'm gonna do. That's that's the guy I'm going for if I'm I'm gonna try and fix this office. So you're because my scenario

is Charles Cross. Yeah. Yeah, if I'm gonna go, I'm going I'm gonna get one of these tackles and I'm gonna and then what happens when the left tackle breaks down, I'm gonna take Cross. I'm gonna move him the other side, and I got still and I'm gonna plug him in. You know, That's what I'm gonna do. I was starting to get excited, and then I remembered that this future doesn't involve Amari Cooper and that bummed me out a

little bit. Yep, not gonna lie. Trade down pig Zion Johnson captain trade down to my early captain trade down dream. Would he be your trade back guy? Yeah? Austin college guard Zion Johnson. Yeah. I think some NFL teams will have him as their top guard based on listening to people. Yeah, and I love it wrong. So yeah, Zion Johnson, you move down. Find me a way to get another second rounder or early third or whatever. Another thing to just

throw in here. And I mentioned this a moment ago, But if you're doing these two scenarios and you're fixing the guard spot in the tackle spot and you're a little bit thin at wide receiver, you're also going back to Tyler Beiottish at center again for an entire NFL season? Am I crazy? If I don't think that's a big deal. I think it's Well, that's what I'm asking is it's not It's not a terrible idea. If I could draft Tyler Linderbaum, I would do it in a heartbeat because

he's Tyler Linderbaum. Because but I do think I think it's easy. You're probably not upgrading it. So that's what I'm saying. I think it's easy to just dog Tyler Beotish Like. I don't think he's like just this problem that ruined their offense, you know, and that's kind of it took turns being problems. No he's not. He'sn't all on Williams and mcgovernor. He's not Travis Frederick. But I don't think like, if they don't upgrade that position, I

don't think it's gonna like sink their offense. I kind of feel like that there's some centers there. This Alec Lendstrom from Boston College. Yeah, I kind of feel like that if they're really looking for a guy, there's I mean, if you miss out on linder I have him the third Okay, so that's what I was saying. I mean

him and the Parum guy from Memphis. I know that's a conversion from a guard to the center spot, and it might be a little bit of a flip there, but I kind of feel like that there's there's like third round guys if they're really interested, if they miss out on Linderbaum, there's some centers that could be just as good as what you're what you're playing with right now. Jeff joked about this on Tuesday. I don't joke, is that right? Did our guy Green play center at all

at A and M I know he played tackle. I don't believe he played all five spots, but never Dane said that last Yeah, Dane said all five spots. I talk at YouTube dot com so last Jeff Cavanaugh, Yeah that thing baby, Oh yeah, YouTube page. We did a draft thing last night with Dane Um. I didn't think he did, but I I don't see either. I didn't see him. I said he played right guard, left guard, right tackle, left tause I've seen him play. I've seen

him playing all four. I've seen him played tackle against Alabama, and I've seen him play guard against LSU. You know that kind of stuff, thinking out loud, that's all. Yeah, I see if I can figure out the Kenyon Green see if he ever played center. Yeah, I've never seen it with my own eyes. I have not either, and I don't think he did last year. But that doesn't mean that he didn't at some point. Because he can

play wherever, and he's a badass. I think I wouldn't mind doing that, Like, I mean, trade back with Zion for Zion no pick Green at twenty four? Oh okay? Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, And I do want to say, position flex means nothing if you're not awesome. Yeah, I just want that out there. Two. They tell you about position flex, like this guy can play some guards, some tackle. No, most guys that they tell you about position flex, it means he can't play. Kenyan Green can play all of

them because he can play. Zach Martin could play left tackle tomorrow. You know why, because he can play. It's kind of a guard, kind of a tackle. He can't play. Micah Parsons can rush the pass because he's Micah Parson, because I can play. Along that line, we can probably put like Connor McGovern as center to bed can't play because wouldn't you have done it by now? Yeah? Yeah, like he doesn't have play. I believe, I believe you have to be anything. I don't think Joe Philbin was

a big fan of his. Yeah, that that was a problem certainly doesn't seem that way. I'm not a big fan of shows. This was fun, guys. We got into the weeds a little bit very I'm we're gonna call this the hypothetical show. Good conversation, This is a good draft show. Thank you. I want you to know that you did a great job. Absolutely bring bring trade up for you, and bring you would trade up for me? Yeah, take your adder all before the show every week. By

the way, Kenyan Green one snap career at center. Bam played all five. He played, He played all five, but he count one snap and it was in twenty twenty. All right, Well, gentlemen, uh enjoy the weekend. I'll see you back here on Tuesday morning. We'll figure out. You know, we'll probably talk about some draft prospects if I had to guess. Please, doll, thanks for listening to the Draft show.

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