Draft Show: Getting Aggressive?

get you through the home stretch. I'm David Hellman. I'm joined by Jeff, Brian Kyle. Like the Big Voice said, Welcome to another episode of the Draft Show, presented by Miller Litte, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. Guys, we actually have news, if you want to call it that, or at least something different to talk about besides arguing player prospects. Jerry Jones spoke for the first time in a few weeks. Yesterday Cowboys announced a new corporate partnership

with Blockchain dot Com. I knew you're gonna say. I was gonna say, spare me the joke, please, Jeff. But that's okay. You did it anyway? He basically, you know, he answered a couple questions that weren't about cryptocurrency, one of which being his preferences in this draft class. And he did say, quote, I would trade up in this draft since we're down as low as we are in

those first two or three rounds. And of course the internet lost its damn mine, because that's all you really can do is overreact to tidbits of information when it comes to the draft. I would love to have a conversation about this, and if we could, we'll just say the first three because those are the big, big valuable picks in any draft. What do you think that would look like in all three of these phases if the Cowboys were to try to get aggressive in this trade,

how far do you want to go? I mean, I know, I think his up means down because he said like they trade it up for Travis Frederick, which was a trade doll, So he's playing opposite I okay, I understand, I understand the confusion there. But he did say we're down as low as we are, yeah, which is to say you're back in the latter half. I think he meant going up. Okay, Well, then now let's determine who

he's going up for. And you really can't just take the thirty visit list, but if you want to, you can. You know, um, and I know you're captain. Trade down or trade back, and that's cool. Jeff made his feelings about this. Now no, no, I mean, I'm I understand, I understand, but okay, let me ask you. You're not comfortable at all going up, But if you had to go up, if you had to go up and get some in, if you took the thirty visit list, is Charles Cross the only one you're going for? Or you're

gonna go try and get one of these receivers. I would not move up for a receiver. Okay. I do think Charles Cross might be the only name on their thirty visit list that makes sense as Alloyd, you wouldn't move up for that's the linebacker. Utah. So okay, now we have to determine it might not be somebody on their thirty visit list that we're missing out on, which I was just talking about this this morning, and it's just something I want people to remember, like knowing the

thirty list, knowing the guys they've talked to does help. Yeah, and inevitably they target guys that they are familiar with. It is not the gospel by any stretch of the imagination, Like they routinely draft guys that were not I'll tell you that. Yeah, I'll tell you what Jerry might have done. He might have thrown the chum in the water to tell somebody that they're interested in moving. But also I think land Zerline did a really good mock draft that

painted a picture. I know Jeff and Dana and I talked about this last night, that he had Kansas City going up ahead of you to draft Chris Olavey. So all of a sudden, you know, if you're telling people, hey, we're willing to move, you know, maybe you're you know, because sometimes the Cowboys will sit there and people jump them, and then all of a sudden they lose opportunity on players, you know, and you're like, going, on, Dan, they just

got jumped. But by doing that, by saying that he might aggressively go, it's like, now you put some doubt in people's at the back of the draft that maybe Dallas is going you know, I mean, you got to create some kind of well, hey, we got to get ahead of Dallas. Well, wait a minute, Dallas is talking about going to do we have to do this. I mean, you know, so instead instead of just sitting there and minding your own business. That's a lot of times you

get jumped doing that. And especially is has we've been able to talk about who the Cowboys visits have been, and we've done this show for the last four or five months of just talking about player by player. If you if you follow along what we're talking about or follow people that cover this team, they're giving you an idea of who the Cowboys are looking at. And maybe that's, you know, maybe that's their way of kind of preventing teams from thinking about jumping them. Kyle Yeoman's you look

like you're doing a trade math over. I am doing trade math. I was looking because maybe if it's not in the first round, maybe it's not the Charles Crosses, it's not the Jordan davis Is, Maybe it's in the second round or the third round. We've talked about that as a possibility as well of taking eighty eight and going and trying to get back in the top seventy or seventy five, taking fifty six and trying to turn that into a top forty five pick, because that's where

the value of this draft is. Because it is so jumbled up from picks ten through sixty that there is a value to maybe get up and go get a guy that you like that maybe if had slipped out of that first round territory, it would be tough to get from fifty six to forty five. I put forty five is just a marker of maybe, hey, we can get back up in the top forty five picks. It would probably take I'll give you a four or fifth

round picks. Yeah, that's kind of what I was looking at, was, hey, that all equals one hundred, then you give him fifty six and you can make maybe make it work. I don't know if anybody would ever realistically accept that we could maybe package two fifth round picks, maybe your fourth if you wanted to. But even that doesn't necessarily entice me enough to move just twelve spots up the board or eleven spots up the board, are you saying, because I mean in the second round you're two and three,

would get that done? I think, right? Are you willing to give up eighty eight though I'm trying to do it? Without giving up AD eight me. No, Yeah, for the whole time I've done this. I hate getting rid of picks. Is it realistic that they would give up eighty eight? Well, we get back in this style. Now we take the four and the fives to get back to three, and we just keep doing that until we run. Ay, and you only pick in the first four rounds. I just

think okay with that. Teams like to trade out of a top fifty pick, you got to give value, and that's the thing I think. I think people get lost where they're like, oh, if we give up our four and all of our fifths the values there, and the other team's like, no, why would you do that? Want a top one hundred pick? I don't care about because the hit rate is so much better. And that's why I don't think that's realistic. Are you going up for

in the second round? Um? Off the top of my head, I would say, first of all, if I'm going up anywhere, I'm going up for a premiere position. I'm not going up for a linebacker or a nose tackle or probably a safety. But I could go up for a wide receiver if they stick around. Okay, So I'm gonna give you Zion Johnson is your first pick at twenty four,

go somewhere and talk to me again. I'm gonna be tracking if I've taken my offensive lineman, because like Dane Brugler did his seven round mock draft on the Athletic and it's awesome. Go check it out, and he didn't have the Cowboys touch a wide receiver until the fourth I'm not comfortable with that because this is just a game I want to play really quickly. Let's say your number one receiver at the end of the preseason roles and ankle and is going to miss a couple weeks

or something, which you're damn near. Your wide receiver corps now to start an NFL football season would be James Washington, Noah Brown, and Semi Fihoko. Because Gallop, we think is gonna miss a little bit. He's gonna miss a couple of games probably. Yeah, I'm not comfortable without one of my three best receivers. Not he's not on the roster yet.

So if you tell me I take an offensive lineman, then I'm watching the receivers and I want to be told let's say the first round, because five, six, seven of them might go in the first round. Sure, But what I want to know is where is George Pickens? Yeah, George Pickens was the name as soon as Brian that question. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. To your wide receiver. If he's hanging around at around pick forty, get him, then

I would be like, sure, go get him. Would you spend your eighty eight to go get a player like that and then maybe we can? I think he would. I think he would because I don't think he'd like to take Sam Williams from from Old Miss so again using we'll just use Dan's mox since he did seven rounds. That's fine. Yeah, Now what you're asking me is what I give up Joanni Woods, who I really liked, the tight end from Virginia, who Dane gave the Cowboys at

eighty eight. And Sam Williams, the defensive end who they pick at fifty six. Yeah, for George Pickens all day, every day, all day, every day. That's your tight end. One. Yeah, and George Pickens is my wide receiver. Three. Though you are really high on Sam Williams. I like Sam Way. I like him, just not as much as George Pickins. Like Sam Williams won't be my favorite player at fifty six. Sure,

there's no way. And Gelanni Woods could be my favorite player at eighty eight, But I'd take George Pickens at number twenty four. That's how much I think that he is an absolute baller if he didn't tear up a knee in spring ball Top fifteen pick Maybe let me flip this for you guys. Then what if I tell you you take Chris O' lobby at twenty four, And I know it's not your favorite player, but just say cowboys, cowboys take a Lobby at twenty four. Now what are

we going up for in the second round? Green or Johnson? If one of those guys falls out of the first lay, yeah, you get a guard. Get a guard in mind you you're liking Board and Johnson. Mine, I guess would be Darian Kennard. Like I think, I can wait. I can wait on that, Okay, So, so it doesn't feel like a guy with so if so, if we're trading up that it sounds like our group thinks if we're trading up in the seconds for a wide receiver, that's what

that's what we that's what they can hear. The value there is better right in the picks between thirty three and fifty, or if some analysts are wrong about how much the league loves Central Michigan left tackle Bernard Raymond. Maybe he's a four an NFL team who thinks that's their future left tackle, you'd go up to a number forty for that. Yeah. I have him as number five on my tackle board. Yeah, he's my fifth tackle als. Yeah, but you've probably got the other four going in the

first round, right, Yeah, I do. He's number five, and I kind of when he gets picked by the Cowboys, I kind of like, you know, yeah, I think it goes at twenty four. I won't like it. Yeah, I kind of, But see that happening. See that's what I'm saying. I first round pick on the visit list. See that's what I'm saying. If he gets his If Jerry's going up for an offensive lineman in the first I think it would only be for Cross. I think it would only be he might go for Penny. He might try

and get Penny. You know that might be something you do. I think that to me. I'm interested to see where Cross is going to go. Every mock draft. Where did Dane have him going? Dane him in the top ten when you put me on the spot, I'm sorry, I've got pulled up. Was it top? Was he inside the top ten? He was? He was control sixteenth overall? Okay, sixteen. Now we're talking a little different here, all right now, going back to the first round, whoa, all of a sudden,

we see a Charles Cross slide. I'm on the phones, boys, is that a slide? Like? I've never seen him outside the top ten? Never? Okay never? And again, these are I'm not just talking about I'm just random mock drafts of fans of so and nothing against those, But I'm telling Daniel Jeremiah mock drafts, Bucky Brooke mocks draps. That's what I'm talking about, guys who have been in this league. Okay, understanding understanding that trade charts are not a perfect science.

The Internet says that's a two hundred and sixty point difference between twenty four and sixteen. Are we going up specifically the sixteen that was the pick that the Saints kind of finagled from the Eagles to Saints might be taken. Are the Saints taken Cross? Yes? Okay, there you go see that. Now you might not. That's why they're not away from their guy if you exactly. Jeff just gave you this the key right there, Like we're talking about Kansas City, jump in Dallas for a lobby. You got

to get ahead of the Saints. You know, if the Eagles are right in front of him, and then it's the Ravens at fourteen, Texans at thirteen, and you get the Ravens to come off that. You know, I'm looking at the Ravens picks. They have seen forty five seventy six, so they have everybody's got the Ravens taken. The Again, Dane, did you have him taken then? Lloyd? Devin Lloyd? That come off that to fifteen would be a three hundred and ten point difference. Yeah, fifty six is worth three

hundred and forty I'm telling you man. So I mean, you get both of those picks and you get a tackle of the future. Yeah, how you feel about that? Well, I'm playing him at right tackle, and I'm telling I'm telling my current right tackle. Listen, you're now the swing dude, and we got to figure out something at left guard. You know, I mean, do you ride into other season saying I'm not saying this is a good idea, but could cross play guard for a season? Man, I don't.

He's just too good of a tackle. Yeah, I mean this is when I kind of see a young Tyrant Smith coming out of USC. It's twenty one year old guy. You know, it's got really good technique. I mean, to be honest with you, kind of feel he's a better left tackle than he probably would be a right tackle. I agree, he'll have a chance to play some of that as well. If I had to guess, see, still your top tackle y is yeah, hey, just randomly using Dane's mock draft because you're talking about who you would

be going up in the second or somebody else. Well, so now, yeah, it was I'm looking at if it played out this way, the answer for me would be, you have six wide receivers go in the first round, and neither one his name's George Pickens or sky Moore. Here you go thirty seven, George Pickens goes sky Moore, and Bernard Raymond the central Michigan tackle go forty one

and forty two. So somewhere around pick forty, I'd be like, guys, there's two guys where I want to go get who's who's my team's at forty one and forty two, Seattle's forty one, India's forty two. All right, John's trying to rebuild his team. Ballard. Ballard will stand in there at pick John Schneider loves a trade back, does it like he does. I think he's got multiple twos though. Yeah, he's at hease. Matt Corrall and Bernard Raymond is where

they're going. So yeah, in my world, we're trading. We're trading up to forty two for Sky Moore. Now that's the Colt's first pick of the draft. Though they don't have that first round pick. Moore apparently have one. It's one in the third. Yeah, you can maybe argue that they want some more draft capital there going back in forty two, going back to it, I mean you can, you could wait. You could wait if you're Ballard. I mean I think they probably they will probably stand in

there and make a pick. Snyder's the one I would target. Who do we got ahead of Snyder? And some give me some other other teams. Give me two three teams ahead of Snyder. Chicago's at thirty nine and that's their first new GM. He's gonna stand there and pick They need picks though. Yeah, they were so tight there that No, he's gotta he's gotta make a pick. That's when I start calling about skies. When somebody takes Christian Watson ahead of him, Bears gates time to go. I like Christian

Watson a lot. Fine. Bears are at third elemental pros who's ahead of the Bears. Bears are at thirty nine, Jets are at thirty eight. Texans are at thirty seven. Okay, Texans, we target the Texans again, got two first. Hey, the Texans are the ones who take Pickens. So if you can get to that pick, you can get George Pickens. You're also at pick thirty seven. Yeah, let's party. That is an expensive pick. Give me, so, what what's the trade value on that? Five thirty? Cowboys second round pick

is worth three forty find me one hundred and ninety. Man, you guys, you guys. I love pickings, man, I really do. I would have to, I mean, just take them at twenty. You know, I'm Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones. I'm not gonna lose my job. Let's go. I mean, seriously, if you're a general manager that's sitting there thinking about like making a massive jump, and you're thinking I'm gonna lose my job. You're thinking, well, hell, somebody else's problem. You know that

kind of deal. Okay, tell me if I'm crazy, if I think that's why Jerry should be more aggressive than everybody else. They're not gonna lose their jobs. Tell me if I'm crazy for thinking this. And I like Pickens, I've I mocked him in the seven round mock that we did for Dallas Cowboys dot Com the other day. But if you're jumping all the way up into the thirties, I would rather And again we're just we're trying to predict something that's impossible, but and that's we're trying to

get a range. I'd rather get my receiver at twenty four. Yeah, and hope that Zion or Kenyan Greene falls into the thirties there, because can't you just imagine, and your receiver would be trailing Burkes at least most likely he goes twenty five. Okay, and I think anyways, Alave goes twenty two, that's devastating. You could get to thirty seven if we wanted to go get George Pickens at thirty seven but you would have to package fifty six and eighty eight.

That gets you to four hundred and ninety trade points more you need, Yeah, you need basically fifty and then I would package two of those fifth round picks. We can we send him a player? Can we send them somebody a corner or something like that that we might not be able to use. Anthony Brown, You got a

draft the call, Jordan Lewis something like that. This is one of those things where you better be right too, because this goes against everything I stand for and everything that the day, honestly, honestly, because what this falls into is just arrogance in your own evaluations. Yeah, is saying that, look, I'm right, and that guy shouldn't still be here, and I'm going to give up four picks because that's the right guy, and it's an it's a bad idea in

a vacuum. I'll never right. There's a lot of guys and gals that have died on that hill going that it's the right guy. I'm not Look, I'm not saying they're always right. I'm not saying they would be right. Wait wait wait, wait, wait, real quick, real quick, I'm gonna ask him a question. Then, if you had to pick between Pickens and sky Moore, would you pick Skymore if we were going up, If we're going up in both were on the board, you'd pick Skymarber Pickets, I

would I think Skymore. And this is I think this is what evaluation is. It's all how you personally feel about Brian ear Muffett. For me, they're ceiling and their floor. Like George Pickens, his ceiling is to be a really really good outside wide receiver. And sky Moore, I think his floor is as high as almost anybody in the draft. Skymore will be a good slot receiver in the NFL, I promise. Can he play outside at all? Yes? Which, so I was thinking about this last night because again

I've mocked Pickens here a few times. Are we focusing too much on a guy that I hate to call him a one trick pony, but he's like an ex receiver, you know, and that you think about this Core has CD who can do a little bit of both. I think they will get CD out of a slot. That's what kind of hearing those whispers they want to get him out play more outside. So I'm saying, well, Pickens isn't gonna play inside probably son't you guys coming around? I like where, I like where our heads are right now.

I mean, taking forty shows, sky Moore is now realistically in the conversation at you know, he's always in the conversation, just realistic because the gentleman's my right. It's less about it's not a conversation. It's less about skyting investigation of the sky Morris ability. It's less about sky Moore for me and more about does Pickens fit this receiver corps. Okay, so we've determined you take a guard at twenty four, you're going up for a receiver. You take, you take

a receiver at twenty four. You're thinking about whatever offensive lineman is hanging there for you, or whatever defensive players there. I think, I mean, I understand if it doesn't thrill Jeff or a lot of other people. I think you have to think about Sam Williams there. Because athletic pass rushers see, don't fall. They're gonna That's that's the thing. They've They've given you enough of an indication. And again

it's steal Bob Seger song. Working on mysteries without any clues. No, you got the clues you've got the clues they're telling you. They send coaches to work out dan Quinn is gonna let them take an offensive player early, and then he's gonna go in there and fight for Sam Williams. I'll never forget. I will never forget twenty fourteen because it's Brian's favorite day. Because the first round ends, everybody goes back to the war room and kind of huddles about

what they want to do. Brian comes into work on Friday afternoon. He's like, and in classic Brian fashion's just like, just get ready, boys, they're gonna trade this pick up. They're gonna go get their pass rusher. And we're just like, what are you talking about, Like they could do this, they could do that. He's like, I'm telling you now, they're going up to get to Marcus Lawrence. And that's exactly what they did. Wow, there's precedence for it, and

it turned out to not be a terrible call. I mean, if you're if you're gonna trade away a third round pick, which pissed me off at the time, I hope it's an all pro player. If they trade up in the second round, that means they'll custom there three and maybe they're four. The draft coverage is gonna get super boring for a while. That's okay, because we'll be make it happen. We'll be busy as hell on Saturday. Just keep we're

telling that they could trade up again. Like, hey, guys, they can jump right back in at any moment, right, Yeah, I know you got to go to break, But what would it take to go up if you had to to get Sam Williams? Are you sitting tight and waiting at fifty six? I mean they go up for Sam Williams. I quit, They may do that. That's I quit. I'm saying why because it's not worth it. I mean, but again, like again, like I even think the word athletic pass

rusher is a made up word for him. Why his athletic score is good because he didn't run the shuttles. He didn't run the shuttles for a reason. He's a big guy that can run fast and jump high. You gotta give that to him. Yeah, he can. He can run fast and jump high. But pass rushing is not straight up? How fast can you run? I got in trouble for defending tacos, so maybe I should shut my mouth. Watch it, pal, like Sam Williams is my edge number ten. That's a little low. I have him at seven. Like

Nick Benito is a better pass rusher. Boy A Mafe is a better pass rush prospect. Arnold Ebi Katie is a better pass rush prospect. Ojabo is a better prospect. But the injuries the question mark, and then I think you get to Sam Williams. So like fifty six, I'd be like yeah, going up, I'd be like, oh no, and then hope for the best. This is the class Jeff is laying all that groundwork for win. Now it's like, man,

we hate this guy all that this is true. You can you can influence everybody to not the people in the room. They can say that I'm wrong and they disagree, and then I love. I was nodding my head as you were talking. To be honest, I don't want to go up to get him, but I like Williams as a player. Drake Jackson I have above him and stuff, you're right, you're not. You have Drake Jackson above him. I think that this is Brian hates this guy way

more than I do. This is the time of year where I will just calmly remind everyone that team's grades very wildly from what those of us. They don't give a right. They also don't give an that's my thing. No, I'm just over here, like what cares what we think they're gonna do it. Store is going to be the eighth receiver picked. I have him as number two. Okay, don't listen to me about anything, all right, Oh now

you're coming around to this. All those years for me having to like the bosses, I killed that family for years. I mean, I'm gonna be right, and it's gonna be like, oh my god, Jeff knows more than the league again. But you don't have to think that right now. Just think I'm an idiot. I was shockingly optimistic that we were going to get out of this on time, and we did not trade it for Stingley. Let's go to break shop. Stop stop, let's we're going to break We're

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feel about him? At fifty six? I vote Kyle Goes because I think, yeah, I think you like him. I do. I like him more than probably both of you guys a little bit. But the thing with Watson is he's not only your developmental receiver and a guy who would fit in perfectly as a two three guy on your roster. I mean, Michael Gallup when he's out, Christian Watson's gonna play, and he's gonna play a lot early on in the year.

He's gonna get a ton of valuable snaps. And he's also probably gonna take Ceedee Lamb out of the return man sort of conversation, get him out of the return game, get him out of special teams. It puts Christian Watson as a return specialist. Good athlete. He's got that speed, he's got the body control on the outside he bought.

I mean, of course, you're looking at tape for the majority of the time against the Northern Illinois and the San Diego States whenever they get to play FBS competition, But he ended up playing Michigan State route the season. He has good tape on that as well. I like the way that he runs routes. I like the way that he uses his body to shield his himself from defenders. Good player. Overall fifty six. I'm happy with him there. I don't want to trade up to go get him.

He's not in that George Pickens conversation by any means. But he's also not going to last to eighty eight. So if he's your guy at fifty six, go and do it. Man. You scared me with the word develop. I came and said, I know, I said it, and a developmental because I knew Jeff was. He kind of looked at me as soon as I said it, and he was like, that's the point. Does that sound We're like eighty eight and fifty six. I definitely have fifty six, though, I mean, I appreciate the way he gave the report.

But when you said, if I was sitting in a room and you said that in a draftman, I would be all over your ass about that, agreed. I would, especially if I was fighting for another player. Sure, And but you know to me, I mean, and I know when you said it, You're like, oh damn, these high going to come out said that that word chum in the water. Yeah, you know, you described a player to me that kind of sound like that he's gonna have to again develop. But then also then a player that

can do the return stuff and all that. Is that enough for a second round pick? That's the question you have to ask yourself about that. I just thought, I mean, which, he's a good player. He really a Senior Bowl against No. No, that's the thing about it. That's the thing about it is though. I mean, but because if you're arguing that, you know, I think that you and Dane, I mean, you know that a little bit higher than me on that.

But to me, I could see it. I just wondered, why somebody, you know, we've talked about this, this wasn't the player that Dane was talking about that I was mentioned, like, why is this guy not playing in the A SEC? Why is he not playing in the SEC? Why? There was somebody that was at Utah who was no, no, no, no. It was a guy who had an offer to Utah, but he went somewhere to play with his Oh it

was McCullum. Mccullumcullum, Sam. You see, I'm like thinking, Okay, why does somebody in the in this Sam Houston corner, Why is somebody in the Big twelve not signing? Well, he had to offer to go play at Utah, you know, I's like, Okay, now I get the same thing with Watson. You know, somebody obviously in the ACCA or the Southeastern Conference at Mississippi State or Old miss or one of these places Kentucky missed this guy. He's from Tampa. He's

from Tampa. I scouted his dad, Tim. It's insane. Yeah, a kid from Tampa couldn't get him. That's what I'm saying. A great he's developed. I mean, but the majority of his plays you watch it player chunk plays. I mean, he makes a lot of chunk catches. So I mean, Jeff, you know better. It's every every week dot com dot com on man because I wanted to see because I don't have Dane's beast pulled up, so I wanted to see if maybe Zeroline had Why he ended up at

North Dakota State. See, I always asked to have a ton of production in high school. That was the thing. He went three years in high school and had rarely anything, and then he kind of blew up as a senior, got to a two star rating. But that was it. That's why you always wonder about, like did somebody miss or was this kid late developing? You know, that's another question you have to kind of ask yourself, there's that

we're developing again. Now you bring up you bring up a good point on the developmental and it's a word you I want to use for a high pick Yeah, I'm gonna stop using I'm gonna take it out of my vocabulary. At fifty six, you're looking at this second tier of wide receivers. Yeah, and I would put Pickens at the top of that second tier list with Johan Dotson, David Bell, Alec Pierce. This is not in any order, by the way, I'm just kind of skipping around. Christian

Watson's in there, Calvin Austen Shakier outside of Pickens. Watson's my number two, okay, out of the second tier of wide receivers. So that's my thing. He's they're not to that certain level where they're gonna come in and instantly be the justin Jefferson's the Jamar Chases and then I think that's williams Burke's Wilson London Olive. Right, He's not that, but he's still gonna be a good player in the NFL as soon as he's think I think these players

and jeff correct me if I'm wrong. I think these wide receivers in college are better equipped to step in. There was a time when I was in scouting that these wide receivers they had to learn how to have releases and all that they got jam, they couldn't catch the ball, all these problems. I think wide receivers in this day and age, because the way college is sort of the football, are better equipped to play right off the trigate college. These kids are traveling, going to tournaments

yet the time they're like twelve. Yeah, it's crazy, but I actually think that that's the when you're talking about the wide receivers from college to pro as a whole, I agree with you, and I think that's the unique part about Christian Watson is inside this group of wide receivers. I do think he's the most raw of the top ten receivers in the draft class, Like he's my wide receiver nine, which so as we're debating him, it's like

we're probably just debating players forty through sixty five. Not No, he can't play like Christian Watson's an awesome combination of size, speed, athleticism. YEP. I also think in a run first, North Dakota State, North Dakota State scheme where he's never been a high volume target and he's playing mostly against guys that can't compete with him with a ball in the air. That there is the pharmacystem. Yeah, that there is a lot

of room for growth. Now, could that be a rookie starter as one of your three wide receivers, sure, accountant, Yeah, but I think before he's an impact NFL player, he's going to have to get accustomed to the fact that there's more routes than just five yard stop route and run by that guy. No, you're you're right. He showed that in Mobile though, like in the practices, his route tree was more than just that. He was able to show that you saw him live. I mean you saw

him live. That's that's you can't discount seeing him a love. That's the biggest thing for me is going into the Senior Bowl. He was kind of a no name guy, and of course we kind of go down the Senior Bowl guys first. But ever since seeing him kind of elevate his game against that competition in Mobile, you look at it as a Okay, he could do that. He may be a late developer. He may just not have had the production in high school to get those sp

fbs looks. Now he should have. Now you know that maybe he was missed and maybe he's a guy that can come in and contribute early. He's aced the pre draft process for sure. Yeah, I mean I have And I know this isn't scientific, but I've seen mocks that are sneaking him into the back end of the first round. Sure, really like to a Kansas City or something like that.

As long as we're talking about receivers, Rob wants to know, and I know we've talked about Alec Pierce out of Cincinnati, but like the range where you would draft him, and I'm going to add this to it. I would also like to know the same for Khalil Shaker out of Boise, who a lot of people have asked about, and I feel like we probably haven't talked about him enough. Both

of those guys. Seeing Shakier and Watson going head to head and Mobile, that's why there's a considerable difference between the two for me, because Shakier didn't necessarily impress me a whole lot in Mobile. He still had a good a good combine, good draft process. He has decent jumps. He wasn't necessarily anybody that jumped off the page. But he's in that second tier, that jumble of receivers that you would take in the latter half of the second

into the third round. But he's not as exciting as some of those other second round receivers that are out there. I got pierced in the third and Shakire in the fourth. Yeah, that's how I've gotten rated Pierce in the third for me, and then I also have Shaquiirra in the third, but late third, I have both in the third. I actually had Shaqiir above Pierce, but it's I mean we're talking

same range, same area. I think Shaqiir is probably a slot guy in the NFL and Pierce, like, he's one of the guys that I think it could be really wrong about it and he could be a better pro than I think he's going to be because like he he had good production. Yeah, he had an outstanding combine. I just didn't speak. I didn't see that level of

athleticism on tape. Like his his testing tells you that he's an incredible athlete, but I just thought like he's he's very inconsistent when it's like, hey, beat that guy in press coverage. Sometimes he can't get off the line, and then sometimes he smokes him. It was just kind of up and down. He's very much when if you watch Ritter, you know, there's like every ball seemed to go to him, and it was like there were some bad balls that he was catching. He was going up.

I think you're right. I don't there's some I think there's a lack of separation at time, but this is why I see the athletic ability of going up and getting the ball. Now, maybe he's able. I mean you see some red zone stuff where he's able to spin and look back and then all of a sudden the balls there and he adjusts to it. So you know, as we're watching here the Hodge stuff, that's the kind of stuff. I mean, he's always going to get against Tulane right there he's covered and then you know he

goes up and elevates and gets the football. That's just the kind of thing. I mean, he's not going to run away from a lot of people. That You're right about. The testing numbers, they were very, very good. He had eight touchdowns this past year, five in his career prior to this season, but his eight touchdowns four of them came inside the red zone, and another four of them

came outside. So he does have some deep threat ability, but he also, with his size and his body control, can certainly be a red zone threat at six foot two plus. TJ can't help, but note that the overall mood on the Parsons pick last year was at least mild disappointment, if not outright disappointment. I think we were all plays a different position. He does, he's he's he's not hating guys. He's hating. He ain't guys hating. He's I promise you he's not a passive aggressive player. No, no, no,

he's not. I think this is a fair question. He I'm just kidding. He just wants to know a guy you could pick at twenty four where you might initially say like okay, where you could wind up feeling a lot better. Zion Johnson's that guy for me. Yeah, oh, I would agree with that one hundred. I mean, I mean, I think you guys are old pick. No, that's what I'm saying. You don't have a yeah, I'm saying and me and and I understand, I understand why people like him.

I do get that, you know, but I could say the same damn thing about Green from Texas A and M. I mean, there's these guards are not making me feel all warm and fuzzy all of a sudden. But I have a chance to be really, really really wrong about that because there were some things I talked about. Was Zion Johnson with some of his hesitation and some of the run block and stuff and things like that pass protection. I mean, i've Green is a better player, but there's

Green's got faults too. I'm not going to sit there and like when this, when of these get picked, I think the consensus in the room, and sometimes that sometimes consensus is good. Let's need at the rams. He doesn't like consensus. I kind of like when my scout buddies tell me, no, man, hey listen, this is what you've seen in the player, and this you just had a bad day scouting. You know. That's kind of where I'm looking at. What Zion was Zion Johnson. So if you

love Zion, what do you got, Jeff? I think mine would be Bernard Raymond. And maybe maybe you're right that it's not a realistic pick. I just I see him on the thirty visit list. I see him being mocked in the twenties and thirties, and it's more realistic than we're giving credit to. I think there's a big shot because they've really honed in. Like Brian said in the first segment with Clues, they have looked at this tackle class up and down. What is at the combine or

at the senior boar? He said it. Dave got the Jerry to say it at the at the owner's meeting, I'm looking for a tackle, he said it. Davis standing right there like no on his head like we're looking for a tackle? Was sitting actually cool And if you want a big name, that's more fun. Chris Olove, I wouldn't love it at twenty four. I would be thrilled with Chris Olave at twenty just like receivers though, I mean I do, but I just I think Chris Lave's

skill set really fits Dak Prescott. I think he's the exact type of receiver. Dads, if they took Burkes instead of a Lobby, would you feel better? I would be quote worse fit. But see the thing about it is it's always going to be and it's the and it's in the right. He's got the passion for that that wide receiver for you know, for Skymore, I get it.

I do. I totally understand. I love that. But but if you anybody other than Skymore, say maybe as a wide receiver, well, I think the difference here's the twenty four you would be like they could have taken sky More. It's the camera on me. If we could get the camera be the difference between like Chris Olave and Skymore. And this is coming from the only guy on planet Earth who likes Skymore more than Chris Olave. This is the difference. I don't have any muscle, but the difference

is you have caught the ball. Now what the answer with Chris is the first guy to get here, I fall sky Moore. That's not the answer. Get down, it's not the answer. He's going to break tackles. He's going to get extra yards. And like Chris Alas, there's a big room a hundred yards away with millions of dollars worth of weights and we can get him in there, you know, right, But now we're talking what we're talking about is Ohio State might be nicer. We're talking about

we're talking about first round picks. And it's crazy because I first of all. I love the wide receiver position, and I love the technicians, and Alab is basically a flawless technician. Yeah, I just think that he is a thin dude that plays thin like DeVante Smith. I didn't have a problem with because Davante Smith you couldn't press him and alb can release. But inside routes when he gets bumped or when he has the ball in his hands, he's getting tackled, and I just I wish he had

a little better play strength and that can develop. And that's why I wanted to throw his name out. There should be a better conversation than Raymond Olave At twenty four might turn out to be an amazing pick, but in my head, he's currently wide receiver seven. So I'd just be like, I hope this works out. By the way, it's more I think about it. I think Ohio State shoe budget might be more than the budget at Western

Michigan right now. Football, Yeah, shoe budget. My guy was out there rocking twenty four West wide receiver number twenty four. Western was in a cotton bowl. Not all that long, not a long ago. We watched to send another receiver from there, probably not as good as a career as maybe we thought, yeah, what do you got, Kyle? I was gonna say with Olive specifically, you're you're talking about thin not necessarily play strength. He's a technician of a

route runner. Why is that different than Ceedee Lamb from just a general breaks tack? I know, And that's kind of my thing is if you wanted to really provide another fit for this offense and for Dak Prescott to give him a different option to throw too, wouldn't you look at the guys like a Drake London and then Treyln Burkes and a sky More even because he is a bit of a chain up from Ceedee Lamb to

a certain extent. So and I just I think this is the year that I've been against the consensus on wide receiver more than ever because, like I would take Trail and Burke's over Drake London because to me, the NFL has really turned into I want two things from my wide receivers. Get open and do it quick. Give him hell after you have the ball. Yeah, that's what I want. Trail and Burkes may not be the best get open guy, but he's big, yeah, and I'm going

to say he's fast. Even though forty time is going to disagree. I've watched him outrun Alabama's entire team. He's big, he's fast, he's hell to tackle. You know what. You know what scares me about Burks is will they use him the right way? Will they use him to play? Why were you two forty when you showed up for training? Yeah? I mean the thing about is to me, I think he's always going to be a big guy myself. But I just wonder, with the way his skill set is,

are you going to use him the right way? That's the fear I have. Can I throw with a lobby? And I know we got to get to somewhere else, but a lobby. I kind of thought of Terry Glynn with better hands is what I thought about, Okay, I thought about that same school, same kind of physical build. Terry Glynn was a catch it, running fast and fall on the ground real quick. But but Terry Glynn, Harrison, Marvin Harrison run fall down real quick. Yeah, live to

fight another day, got to the Hall of Fame doing it. Yeah, I kind of get wrong. I'll accept Marvin Harrison. I'm sure you will. There's Marvin Harrison out there somewhere I'll double down and say I would be pretty surprised if Bernard Raymond is their pick at twenty four. Having said that, it's easy to forget that he's only been playing that position for two years and he's already this good man. And I'm fine buying in on that upside. Okay, let's okay.

Live with that. Can you live with that knowing that your offensive line needs help? Now? Yeah? I mean, I think he's good enough to play right now. But is he gonna plug and play you? That's the thing is he's not going to play, And I agree with you. That's why I don't think you would be the pick, or at least part of it. Yeah, I give me, give me one of those guards over him. If that's the case, we're over again. That's okay. Like, I don't

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Michigan he was the feature ball carrier. Yeah, he was not the featured receiving running back. Both of his backups caught more passes than he did, so, like, I think he's a solid runner that most of his work is between the tackles, and he's good. He's a good, solid running back that doesn't really factor into the passing game, that isn't an elite athlete. So I think it's a Day three guy that can be a guy that is one of your two or three backs on your team

on an NFL roster. So you know Michigan big numbers, good player, but I think in the NFL he's one of your two or three running backs in a rotation and he's a fifth or six round pick. He's really strong. I mean, he's got the big body, big lower body. He's very well built from top to bottom and even put up twenty seven reps on the bench press at the combine, which is pretty impressive for a running back.

But he's not going to run away from anybody. He doesn't combine that with the speed, ye And that's kind of my biggest thing is he really had a breakout year in twenty twenty the shortened season, only played like six games, and he had six point one yards per carry, But most of that was just running through people, like you said, in between the tackles, it was, it was a lot of broken tackles, and then he would just kind of get caught and teams figured out how to

play him, and that he was kind of a one trick pony, and that was where his production took a significant dip in twenty twenty one. I think the best trade he has his vision actually, and you know there's times where he like when he has to make a cut, he can make a cut and get through that hole. I think around the goal line he could be a weapon. He's six two, like you mentioned, he's two hundred and twenty eight pounds. He's an upright runner too, but he

doesn't take many shots. I mean, he's like delivering shots, and I'm always with these backs. I'm looking at these backs. You know, Kyle, You're right, he's not going to run away from anybody. That's that's just you know, he's pretty steady that way. Pass protection no, is one of those things where he's kind of just a shoulder guy. It's not really square, sit down, take on a guy. So you always if you're going to be that third down guy or second back, you've got to be able to

have bail a pass protect a little bit. And I think he's more of a just not that they can't teach him or he can't learn, but his style is really just trying to throw the shoulder, just lunge through the shoulder and hope for the best. But he's had some production in some big games for Michigan over the years. But I agree with where everybody has him placed. Is there? So, I mean, the Cowboys are not going to draft a

running back before day three. Is there a guy with a Day three grade that you feel a lot better about than the others Because a lot of times when we do this, it's like he's a Day three running back. So what is there? I watched? Uh is it Algier? There's the Lagier, the BYU running back. Yeah, I see a Day three guy though I have him in the fourth I'm in the fourth round. Um, I'll see him going in the third. Yeah, and then Williams from Notre Dame was another one that I had as a as

a fourth round guy. Colin Williams from Notre Dame. From Notre Dame. Yeah, those were the couple of guys. And then I had Haskins down like in the fifth. So those were kind of my fourth fifth round guys. Um Abraham Smith from Baylor, We've talked about him a couple of times. Jerome Ford from Cincinnati, kind of a receiving back, somebody who can do a lot of different things. Sincere

McCormick out of UTSA. And then Kennedy Brooks, a DFW product that would to Oklahoma Day four guys or excuse me, Day three guys maybe even undrafted guys that could be in that conversation that I like a lot. Tell me more about Oklahoma State linebacker Malcolm Rodriguez. It's almost one of those boy Scout type of players in a good way. I mean, second team All Big Twelve each of his last three years. He was a undersized guy, but his instincts in his leadership on the second level of that

Oklahoma State defense were pretty phenomenal. Just racks up tackles. Had one hundred and thirty tackles, sixteen and a half for loss this past year, three sacks as he came for he actually forced four fumbles. So he plays downhill pretty quick, but he doesn't have a ton of side or size excuse me. And then he also just doesn't necessarily look extra quick. He doesn't have that first step. He has good instincts, but he kind of hesitates every

once in a while. So he's a heartbeat of that defense. Yeah, he sure is. Dude is all over the place, yep. But like Kyle and you wonder in the NFL, like you know what, I'm most confident that he's going to do in the NFL be on the kickoff team, a

great specialty. D's gonna stream down the field and tackle the dude because I just you know, he may maybe he can translate all that college production into being an NFL starter, But I do think that that's more of a developmental thing because I think you're looking at a straight line hitter. But I mean, the dude finds the ball, he's gonna get to the ball, and he's gonna tackle running backs. The question is on third down, is he agile enough in space to play coverage, to make plays

in that regard. So again, I think he's a Day three player, but somebody's gonna draft him. He's gonna make the team. He's gonna be on special teams, and we'll see if he becomes a guy that is an NFL starter. I like the kid and have him basically the same round of a shorter linebacker from Baylor is Banard, the same guy at sixes two hundred and twenty four pounds. They're similar players, Yeah they are. They both I mean again, but those big twelve type players, but both tacks touching

right there. I mean, I think the guys have got him absolutely right with what you're looking at. The thing that I was interested in. I know this. If you're talking about the coverage. There was an interception you had in the Notre Dame game where he was able to drop redirect and then you know, the quarterback just threw it and he was able to make the play to kind of seal things up. There was another time where

he knocked the ball. I think it was in the TCU game where he knocked the ball out of the running backs hands. I think the guy, you know, you say you get to the football, create turnovers. Jeff's right about the special team stuff. This guy is going to fly down the field. I didn't see him get blockers get up on him and get him washed. You know, he's like kind of staying ahead of the blockers and

then staying active in order to keep himself alive. But I like, I say him and my guy Bernard from Baylor, if you're looking for two undersized linebackers that aren't the Nakobe Deane, those are the kinds of guys you're looking at right there. He kind of reminds me of a poor man's Nick Bolton from last year Frisco product to under six foot, a little bit wide. Moulton was a little bigger and a little bit heavier, and he also

played more fierce downhill than than Rodriguez does. But he does a lot of things well, and I agree completely with Jeff. He's gonna make a special teams roster. He's gonna find his snaps every once in a while. He does things the right way, which is something impressive. I've seen Terrell Bernard graded as high as the fourth by some people as that. Yeah, that's why I had that. Yeah, that's why I have both these guys. I have him and Rodriguez right there. I mean you kind of you

kind of have a pocket of in this draft. It looks like of shorter guys that played positions. She kind of keep them all together. And it reminds you that, Okay, if I have to go get a short corner, you know, Oh here's Marcus Jones. Oh I think we had a shorter linebacker. Oh here's Bernard. I have to go, you know that kind of get the short guy round. I have a couple of short guy rounds. You can you can tell when you look at my board where they are though they're on these little pockets. Do you have

Calvin and one Dale Robinson in the same round? Pretty close? This man is He's not undersized at all. He stood out to me at the Senior Bowl, and I would like to know more about UCLA defensive tackle Otito Obonia. He did like him at the Senior Bowl. He made some plays and like and for the size he plays at I just remember guys had a tough time dealing with him. You know. I think you're absolutely right about

this guy. And I watched him against our alma mater, Dave, and we really didn't do a good job of blocking him now, and we watched him against Utah as well. As another thing, I was surprised how much he weighed because he moves like a much lighter man three hundred and twenty four pounds. He's pretty disruptive, and I mean in a disruptive like the first step and he's on you, and these blockers are like and again, hey, our center at LSU wasn't great, but he mean, he's like it's

like they're not even getting in position on him. He's kind of knocking guys around and getting up the field and stuff like that. I saw him one time get outside in the Utah game where he was able to clean up a play getting to the sideline. So he gives you that little bit of effort to go make that play. But I think at three one hundred and twenty four pounds, this guy, I'm surprised how he looked.

He doesn't look that big, but man, he is disruptive in all and I was I was impressed with the way he was able to come to the fight that he had. This is not a knock on Chris Bamark, producer there that forty yard dash has to be a typho though. Right, there's no way this man five three, there's no way this man's okay. Just making sure, no, no, you're fine. We appreciate that would have gotten a lot of people. I'm gonna say, if a couple of rounds, just make it sure. No, that's not a problem. He

is quick though. I like his initial the initial burst I think is really good. I like the powerful just the force that he comes off the line of scrimmage. He doesn't necessarily take the he doesn't get washed out of place, doesn't get caught off guard. He's a good run defender. You can see it in some of the plays that we're showing on the video side of things. I know, if you're listening you can't see it, but yeah,

he's a good run defender. He can provide a little bit of pass rush, but that's not necessarily his mo. He's gonna plug a hole and he's gonna move the line of scrimmage, take up multiple gap and do a good job of doing so. I wrote that he the pros are he's six four three twenty four, he's long armed, he's got pop in his hands, and he plays hard. Yeah. Yeah, the cons or that I saw him as being slow footed, playing high and not anchoring real well. So I think

that he's a Day three defensive nose tackle, fifth, sixth round. Yeah, and you hope that you can develop like, hey, we're gonna keep the pads down, yep, We'll get some lead in the butt here. We're not gonna be moved. And let's see if we can get the feet to match up. Because he does have pop. Yeah, like he can. He can get hands on you and jolt and move, but I don't think that the feet or the lower body

consistency matches up to that violence. And the Cowboys like drafting guys out of UCLA with double os as their initials. We'll think about this as far as these one techniques like Ridgeway, like having the third Ferrell from Millishoe in the fourth and then this young man in the fifth. So I mean, there's there's there's gonna be these guys that each round, there's gonna be have one of these three hundred and twenty four pound guys that played for you. Kyle.

You brought this guy up a week or two ago, and I was curious, So tell me more about Maryland tight end chick. Goozem O Quanquo, yes Okon from Maryland. I was going to get a good frame for a tight end, reliable hands. Been some couple late droppers in the tight end class this year, but he's actually one that's kind of climbing because of his traits, and he had an impressive combine four five forty yard dash thirty five and a half inch vertical. Those were not numbers

that were necessarily anticipated. But the best part of his game is his speed and then his yards after the catchability. He's not a versatile blocker, not necessarily an all around, all encompassing tight end, which is why he will go Day three most likely because some of those Day two guys can do a little bit of everything. But as a pass catcher, I think he's as good as some of the guys in the class. He's a decent in line blocker who can maybe develop more in regard. But

I like his hands. I like his his ability to be used on the sideline, then in the red zone, especially in coverage and in some traffic. My damn notes, go actually just wanted to know because everything Kyle was saying like he nailed him because he's four. He's a four or five athlete. He was a He was two hundred and thirty eight pounds I believe at Pro Day that's right. So like he's not big, Nope, he's not like a nuance droute runner, like it's all one kind

of speed. I think he's a blow average route runner. He's not used over the middle of the field, at least Maryland didn't use him there. So again, I think we are talking about, to me a Day three guy where you're like, okay, if you're going to be able to be a real life guy, who's ever going to play in line. It's weird because he has a muscular frame, but between the maybe the arm length and the weight is not enough. Like you watch Ojabo and Hutchinson and

they're like, out of our way, you ain't blocking. You know, it's funny, but you get the ball in his hands and life gets fun. He did something to Dalton Schultz can't do. I was watching the Penn State game and they and they ran. He was playing backside in line and he made a cutoff block from the going inside. I mean like they they were they were running the bottle left. He was tied into the right and he cut his guy off and got his head all the

way across and turned the guy back inside. In the Penn State game, I think you guys have got him absolutely name. You can watch him in the Michigan State game. They throw him a screen to him and like he catches it and he's up the field and the defender tries to cut him off. He jumps, the defender goes though, he jumps to defender, lands one foot, keeps balance on the sidelines, and then goes into the end zone. So the guy has some athletic ability. I think there's some,

you know. I was. I was surprised of how many times they threw him the ball and he was kind of covered and I'm like, oh, he didn't catch that. Oh wait he did? You know that kind of thing. So I think the hands are good. And again I saw something to see Dalton schultzte and that's cut off the backside, backside defender. I watched the Ohio State, Michigan

and Michigan State games. I'm gonna add Penn State because I just want to see him do that because he had he had huge He had huge numbers against Penn State, Michigan State. Those are the games you really need to watch round five. I'm gonna say fifth, fifth ish round? Yeah, real quickly. Last one, Percy Butler, the safety out of Louisiana Lafayette. Tell me more fun developmental safety to me, um six foot one ninety four four three six big

broad jump. So you're talking about an explosive athletic guy man coverage stuff. I know there's something that Brian will like there because when he lines up over the slot and they run drag routes away from him, Yeah, you ain't running away from You're not running from him. I think you're gonna have to develop in terms of consistency as a tackler. That's That's the number one thing right there.

How he plays deep when he's a deep safety, but he wants to run the alley, he wants to pop he can run and again, let me check the exact round I put him in. But I'm pretty sure he's gonna online with the rest of this group we've been watching. Yeah, fifth or sixth round? Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. I got him in the fifth myself, and I think Jeff I don't always see him play this fast. I think the time speed is excellent. Of course, it's rare for what he has. I thought there would be a little

bit more range to him. And there was time in the app State game where they drove. He drove on the ball and from Jeff was right about that. Um they used him as a blitzer. But he got home. He had a free run and he missed the guy. I think the biggest questions about him is going to beat the tacklings. He wants to hit you hard. He was, but he but he misses the just reckless. You know, he's got a clean shot on the quarterback and he just overruns the guy. And so I mean it's almost

a kind of a dragged down tackler. But I think that to me, and I didn't see him create any turnover. Sometimes these safeties you see them, they're in the right spot. Mean, we were talking about our kid from Iowa the other day. You know Belton that you know the ball's there and he's boom, he'sain this kid. I didn't see any of the type of stuff. So again I had Belton above him on my board right now. Yeah, I've got him in the lower half of that safety class. Belton. I

really enjoyed watching Percy Butler. I'm with Jeff in the regard of when I was watching him, you see some of the ability to be a center field guy in the NFL. But like you said, the tackling ability is there, but it's not necessarily something that jumps off the page. You expect him to be better than he was. He racked up the tackles in twenty twenty one, which is impressive because he had the volume there. They went his

direction quite a bit. But as a guy who moved to safety and has has played well at the collegiate level after being a wide receiver, I still look at him as a late day or excuse me, fifth round, sixth round guy that could be a developmental guy because of the speed and the traits that he brings to the table too. That'll wrap up another segment of tell Me More. That'll wrap up another week of draft coverage. Guys next week, two more shows until it's Draft week.

Oh so, ten more guys you're gonna tell me to watch? Yes, sorry that I want you to have a longer list of guys for Draft week. I've already seen eventeen thousand guys. Wow, We'll be back with ten more guys as well as plenty more stuff to talk about Jeff will never ever let me close the show cleanly. That's fine. This has been the draft show for Jeff, Bryan, Kyle, I'm Dave. We'll catch all next time. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.