Draft Show: Fun on the Fence

ninth is fast approaching. Happy April twenty if everybody, as we are just nine days away and Cleveland, Ohio is starting to feel the ramifications of the draft on the horizon, and so as the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, as we have got an entire show full of fan questions. Yes, we normally do Twitter on the twenty, but as Katie Best said it yesterday in our group text, this is Twitter on the zero, Twitter on the twenty, and Twitter on the forty, all at the same time, because we're

gonna do the entire show full of fan questions. And Dave, I feel like this is kind of overdue, because I mean, we've had just fan involvement through the roof, throughout this entire process, and we've just answered like six questions. I It's it's not a knock on you. If anything, I think I think it's a byproduct of the zoom era. It just takes longer to have these conversations. And yeah, I feel like we've probably only answered ten questions this

entire year. So yeah, good, let's let's get to it. Let's give the people what they want. Absolutely, We've got David Hellman, We've got Kevin, Katie Turner, Jeff Kavanaugh, I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us, and Katie, I mean, this is your idea, but you got to give back to the fans after all the help that they've given us in terms of Twitter on the twenty all year long. Right, Yeah, I get the frustration, Like, hey guys, guys, we sent you a bunch of questions. You got to two of them.

So I was like, you know what, we're nine days away. Instead of us talking about Sir tan Verse one one more time, let's just helping this bad boy up. And Hey, I like to improv, you know, I'd like to be random. So I kind of I kind of like that we got everyone asking questions and hopefully we can make a lot of Cowboys fans happy today. All right, So I'm gonna start things out by shooting this first question right at Jeff Cavanaugh. The reason why is because it is

a little bit random. But you mentioned Horn, you mentioned Sir Tan. How about I throw another top corner name in there for this first question. This comes from a guy named Tank Commander O R. L on Twitter and he says, do we have any indication on how the Cowboys feel about Caleb Farley's medical situation with the possible trade backup into the first round be a target for Dallas? Is Caleb Farley a potential despite his medical situation? Mister

Jeff Cavanaugh, sure. I mean, first of all, I'd like to say hello to Tank Commander. That's a pretty bad ass, So what's up, Tank Commander? And I'd like to apologize to everyone for just how long winded Katie and Dave are all the time. We would have gotten so many more questions. The Caleb Farley thing's impossible because you're only the only way you're going to know what teams are gonna do with Caleb Farley is if you have access to the team doctors and trainers of each team. You

know all the reports are positive. But that's the way it's going to be because the report's going to come from the player and his people, so you know, the combine, medical rechecks, all those things. Teams are gonna have them. But you can look at the Cowboys history. The Cowboys aren't afraid of hurt guy. A lot of times they're looking for when can I get hurt guy at an

incredible value? And with Caleb Farley, I think if you just look at kind of the consensus opinion, the thought is probably that he still goes in the middle to the the back of the first round. Will the Cowboys be interested in making a move to do that? Maybe if they went offense at ten and you felt desperate to do something at corner But you know, I'm I'm dug

in on my thoughts on Caleb Farley. Bad backs don't get better, and like, if you want to give me that gift at forty four and I'll take my chances, that's one thing. But giving up picks to move around and do that, I'm out. Yeah, I think that's pretty perfectly put. The one thing. I mean, we know there's interest there, like I know the Cowboys are. They've done their homework on all of these cornerbacks that we've talked

about a million times. But Jeff's right, like, you know, people tend to keep medical close to the vest for obvious reasons. And the only way I could really see that making senses if they don't draft a corner at ten, which I think we would all agree that's what we expect to happen. Certainly doesn't mean it's going to but I can't imagine them giving up picks to get Caleb Farley if they draft a guy at ten. If for some reason that doesn't happen, and like Jeff said, the

desperation kind of kicks in. Maybe I think it's pretty unlikely. Though. It was a real buz kill when all that stuff came out about him, even though we kind of knew a little bit about it. But to find out that, I mean, how close are we to calling this like chronic back injuries? And when it's kind of went up and smoked that he wouldn't go at ten, and I was just kind of like, I don't it. It was just a bummer. It's a real bummer. So to me, we start talking about it back, I start talking about

you in the second round. But now I can say till with the Packers, the Chiefs and all else, teams late of the Saints with their Marshawn Lattimore situation. Your team's picking late in the first round, you know, maybe that's a good spot for Caleb Varley. Maybe it is. And I mean there's some connection I think between Caleb

Varley and the Cowboys. I mean there's definitely been that mutual interest, and of course ever since he was kind of that top prospect, that's something that the Cowboys have been very interested in, and maybe they kind of keep that in the back of their mind if he does slip. I don't necessarily think that trading backup is a is a huge possibility, at least for Farley. I think you could trade up for somebody else. And that actually brings me to the second question. This comes from Jake. He says,

is there any buzz on Jeremiah Owusu Coromoa? If the Cowboys were locked in on him, should they take him at ten or is that a reach? If it's a reach, what range should they try to maneuver in to get him? Dave, I'll send this one to you. That's, you know, going back to the part about their being interest. Like I think you talk about buzz, I haven't heard anything that suggests that he's on that short list of guys that

they would draft at ten. And again, like you know, I feel like a broken record sometimes like doesn't necessarily mean that's what's going to happen. Like I don't ceedee Lamb wasn't really on that list last year because nobody thought he'd be available at seventeen. And you know, sometimes, especially the pandemic aspect of all this has made it way harder than ever before. Like you know, zoom offers

a certain amount of privacy. It's you know, if you think back Jeff and Kat, you probably remember this, Like remember when Zeke was a prospect. He likes he put all of his visits out on Snapchat. He would be like, I'm in Philly today, I'm in New York today, and it's like, okay, cool, Like we know, we know exactly what Zeke's doing, and that's not really happening because guys can't visit facilities. So I'm not I'm not hearing a

lot of buzz about him. I really I can't imagine that he would be their pick at ten almost no matter what happens. But I think the conversation changes if they trade back I think I think it would make sense to pick him between fifteen and twenty, but again, like, how likely is that to happen? So, and he's one of my favorite players, I would probably draft him at ten,

especially if the cornerbacks for some reason are gone. But that's the thing is, I don't think they will be, so unless they trade back, it's kind of hard for me to imagine that happening. Katie, you know, I like

Coramoa over Parsons, you know a little bit. Now. I don't know if it was just a puff piece, but if y'all read this article, a physics professor in the United States Navy, but he went to Notre Dame, so I'm not surehere he was a press track wrote this article about Cormoa's tackling and talking about how much he speeds up right before impact. And he just did this big study on him unleashing more force on the ball carrier than anyone that he had studied. It was a

very interesting piece. I mean, obviously, like you're playing fast and you're playing harden, you're gonna tackle, but just talking about how quickly before he makes the tackle he gears up and speeds up to create more force, and I was like, man, that's kind of incredible study that I'd never really thought of before. But again, that guy went to Notre Dame, so it could have just been a

you know, a puff piece. But you know, for me, fifteen for the Patriots makes a lot of sense that that's kind of feels like a kind of a good zone. I wish the Cowboys were interested at ten if they got wiped out, But you know, I think the Cowboys like Certain enough. I think they like Horn enough. I think they like Slater enough, and I think they feel pretty confident they're gonna have what they need at ten instead of you know, trying to move back or things

like that. But yeah, who knows, who knows? Du they're not. They're not talking much and slip it up like they usually do. If the Cowboys will let my dream come true and let Captain trade down ride and he rides right on down there to fifteen picks up number forty six from New England, that's a dude I would love for them to consider. My guess is this is going to be unfair to Dan Quinn, but this is life. Such as life, Dan, Welcome to DFW. The Cowboys for

whatever reason. I have not a lot of faith that they could figure out a way to use a guy who you would consider a weapon in a proper way, because that's my favorite thing about Jeremiah Usu Cormoa is that maybe he's a weak side linebacker, maybe he's a strong safety, whatever. Maybe in Nickel and Dime you're doing different things with him, And nothing about the Cowboys organization

just makes me think they would deploy that properly. But if they p him, I would hope so, because I think the NFL is so much about matchups now and teams are trying to put you in bad matchups. J Okay is matchup proof. I don't care where he ends up. Oh no, there's motion to running back out and j Okay has to cover, and well that running back ain't getting open. He has to cover a linebacker, he's got to run the alley. Whatever. He's matchup proof. I'm a big fan. If we can get kept trade down to

ride to fifteen, let's go. I would at least I'm gonna god, I want to give dan Quinn some benefit of the doubt. Just I don't know, and I mean, I agree with everything you just said overall, but a lot of that is because for the vast majority of the last decade it was the same people calling the shots on the defensive side of the ball. Those people

aren't here anymore, I know. I mean, it was a disaster with a new coach last year, so that doesn't mean it's going to be better, but can't get much worse, you know, And it's it's a it's not an apples to apples comparison. But you know, Christohshard showed up and was like, well, why are you playing Byron at safety? He needs to be a corner And that turned out to be pretty smart. So maybe dan Quinn could come in and figure out how to use the guy like that.

But it might be a mood point because again, unless they trade back, I don't think that's very likely. Well, in this next question from Joshua Chewie and I'm putting that on like that's literally how it's spelled Twitter, Joshua Chewi says, Dave talk trade down versus trade up. I mean, we just talked about trading down potentially, but he says if he thinks that they actually went down in the draft,

they would also trade back up. So you have a little bit of both worlds where you trade down, maybe pick up a couple of selections, use those to get back into the first round. Thoughts on what players they could target if that's the potential, Yeah, I mean, and that seems that is a growing topic. And I guess it's just because the Cowboys have enough capital to pull

that off. Yeah, it's it just seems so unlikely to me, Like, I know it's happened before in the history of the draft, but like, how many times do you see a team do that, like, do both things on Day one of the draft. I certainly possible, just doesn't very likely. Um, but act like on it and maybe not Jeremiah Usu Coromoa, but guys like that, like a guy that doesn't make sense at ten but might slip again. We already talked about Farley, so we don't need to do that again.

But I think that makes a lot of sense, particularly if they don't draft a cornerback or you know, we know that they've been looking at linebackers. I'm not the I won't be the first person to point out Zavian Collins, but again, probably not a guy that you are interested in at ten. But if he's still hanging around there as the first round comes to a close, or maybe

at the beginning of the second round. Maybe that's something that you try to do or another thing that really moves the needle a lot as offensive tackles and pass rushers, Like if a if a Tevin Jenkins or a Alex Leatherwood is slipping and you got a chance to do something like that or or a boogie bash him, It wouldn't surprise me. I like I said, it would it would surprise me to see him do both on the same day. But yeah, tackles and pass rushers typically have

a way of making people jump up like that. Jeff, there's a there's it. I think a couple of names that when you were just saying that scenario, there were if you traded down and then wanted to trade back up, a couple of those scenarios I guess for me would be like again, I go to my dream home. My dream home is at fifteen, and I take I don't think one of the top two corners would make it that far. But if so sweet, you take jac Horne.

But let's say you take Greg Newsom the northwestern corner at fifteen, or Elijah Vera Tucker, the USC offensive lineman who could play tackle war guard. Then I like the name Zavian Collins. How about Christian Barmore as a guy that in the mid to late twenties. If he's still floating or you don't even like him, always come back up for I don't love I mean, it's just it's a normally we're really respectful. Well, no, normally we're very

respectful and and measured with our words. I've learned these things from the great Brad Sham, who's always incredibly fair to everyone. It's the worst defensive tackle class I've ever seen, and Christian Barmore is probably the best prospect of the class. And the Cowboys will like that. The Cowboys will like

Alabama big stage, played well in the biggest games. So you know, if you are looking for an impactful defensive lineman and he's there at twenty seven twenty eight, you've already traded down and gotten more capital, and you've already picked a corner or an offensive lineman. It's a name that makes sense to me, whether I think it's a good idea or not. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, the names, the names I'm gonna throw out Dave. I think mentioned

Zavin Collins. I know they like Xavid Collins. YEA like Xavid Collins at twenty five is though, you know, late first round area with offensive tackle, I can kind of be picky and wait there. I can wait on an Eikenberg that caused me. It's even maybe later down the road. James Hudson from Cincinnati. Tevin Jenkins, you mentioned like, I don't really feel like I have to jump into the first to get a off to tackle. Another name went

through out there is Jalen Phillips. What if teams just passed on him because of the concussions and the medicals and all that stuff. You know, that's something he might jump back in for another corner. I think everyone loves is Greg Newsome, but I don't think the Cowboys are gonna love Greg Newsom because we start looking at the length of Greg Newsome. His linked is more in the area of like and Elijah Molden from Washington, and I

don't think they're gonna want to do that. And maybe maybe they maybe I'm wrong, but if they didn't, if they took a corner at ten, I don't really think they would double dip at corner and move to double dip at corner. But like, those are some names that I would kind of circle though and would consider moving up for. But I don't know if they would. But I think Zavian Collins is a name that they're attracted to and have been for a while. So as a as a I agree, I agree with you on that.

I don't I'm not with you on the offensive tackle thing though, Just be like, those guys are so rare and Okay, we think two are definitely going to go in the top fifteen. Jeff already mentioned Elijah Vera Tucker, which everything I've read and seen suggests he could go anywhere from like the mid teens to the mid twenties. And then you're talking about guys like again Leatherwood Jenkins, Like those guys could very well and even likely be

first round picks. If all that happens, those guys could all be gone by like so no, thank you, Christian derrisaw as well, So like all those guys could be gone by like pick twenty eight, and all of a sudden, you're like, um, it's Leah Meikenberger. Bust. If we want one of the top or time guys, maybe Cosm but yeah, I mean that could be a long wait to forty four if you've got your eyes on one of those guys. So and if you're planning on waiting to seventy five,

you're gonna be even in more trouble. Sure if you're trying to get a tackle. If if you're gonna get a tackle in this draft, I think you have to do it round one or round two. I mean, I've also been very vocal about that though, not that I would ever want to dispute a kat fund tweets report on the Cowboys interest level in Greg Newsom. But I just want to say this for my own selfish purposes, just to get it on record. If Greg Newsom is a healthy career, I would make him the favorite to

have the best career out of this cornerback class. Wow. So I think if the Cowboys aren't interested in Greg Newsom, I think the Cowboys are wrong, wrong, I say, noted for posterity. Yeah, that's all. That's just me just dunking all over Katie's neck on a Tuesday. Is it Tuesday? Hey? I love Newsome, Hey, I love Newsom. I love Newsom. I just think some teams are gonna look at him and go, man, where are your arms? Six or one? Yeah? With arms, he's got the reach of Elijah Molden reach

man watch Congress. Godzilla reach matters man, but Godzilla, well, I'm not gonna tell you what happened. Yeah, I haven't watched it yet. Just then, you just spread bad information with what you just said about Godzilla and calm, not the football stuff, but the Godzilla stuff. I do about the arm reaches. Reach is important, and that's you know, we've talked about it a lot. But Jordan Lewis didn't hit the height requirements that the Cowboys prefer, but he

had the reach to make up for it. So maybe I don't know, maybe you're onto something that which Elijah moldendn't meet their reach cho didn't meet their reach requirements, but he got picked like he's just stuff is I think it matters when it matters. Yeah, it's not an exact science. Whenever Rashawn Slader has short arms, Rashawn Slader is going to be a Pro Bowl left tackle if somebody lets him play tackle. It's true. I just care because it doesn't aff him because he knows how to play. Like,

I just hate it. I only like the short arms or the height or offensive lineman who don't have long enough reach. If it hurts him on the football field, then you go, Okay, that sucks that guy's off because he can't overcome that. But with guy like Greg Newsom is a baller, I don't care if his arms are six inches too much. Does it bother you that he's at a season ending injury all three years of college. He's only played twenty career college games and he got

flagged at time. I mean that bothers me, and that's why I don't have him in the first round. Oh yeah, I mean the injuries bothered me on Newsome. That's why I said, if he's healthy, I think he might have the best career because I just think when you compare him to the top two corners, this year's athletic testing has been really weird. Like it's going to tell you that JC Horn and Patrick Curtan are the elite of elite athletes for NFL corners, and I don't buy that

for a heartbeat. They're good athletes, but they're not elite athletes. These pro days with hand timer's, but throw it all out. I'm glad they're good athletes, So Greg Newsom is just more fluid than both of them. Like you if you don't get your hands on a guy at the line of scrimmage and he's running a slant and go, or he's running a post corner, or he's running a double move. Greg Newsom just has He's a more fluid mover than both of them. So I think he's the stickiest one

in coverage. I think he can run any coverage you ask him too. I think he's intelligent on the field. I think there's a lot that Greg Newsom does. The injuries are the only thing that actually stopped me from having him as cornerback number one, because I think at first, when I was watching him, I just saw so much kind of relaxed and conservative cover three at Northwestern that I was like, now, I want to see him do more. But the more you watch you now you do see

him in press, you do see him playing man. And I think that if he had no injury history and he was just a totally clean slate, I think he would be the best. And real quick. I know, I know we're gonna get off, but seventy eight and a half inch wing span for sirten seventy seven, winks span on Horn you get to Newsom and I'm rounding up here seventy four. That's a difference to teams, and that's just not in the same realm of where Farley horns Certan and Eric Stokes ont Kelvin Joseph who's a little

shorter and he's got a really good wingspan. I mean, Jeff, with the visual aid there, I really appreciate that this is from this is with both of our arms pointing all the way out. There's this is the difference. Hey, that matters when you're playing Aaron Rodgers, my guy. That it's just a much different situations. Yeah, I think there's I just think there's more to knock news There's more to knock Newsom on than what maybe people are talking.

I think I think you can both be right. I still like him, honestly, I think you can both be right about this. That's kind of a lame answer, though, I didn't want the two to be right. That's I'm here to be the lame arbiter, like that's what I do, be the mediator between the two, here to fight broa. But that's Jeff just wants to drop gloves all the time with that, and he likes I'm more of a Kumbaya kind of guy. He likes he likes his ar Darius Washington's, he likes his Greg Newsome's. They if they

wear purple, he loves them. That's just kind of what don't you guys take your measurements term sideways and you may deposit them directedly wherever you want. Thank you. All Right, We're gonna move on and take our first break. When we come back, we're gonna talk about that defensive tackle class that well we've talked about already might be the worst we've ever seen, and maybe the guy that's up at the top isn't necessarily the guy we think is

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Celebrate Responsively Miller brewin Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Ninety six calories three point two cars for twelve ounces. Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Back here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Shows where nine days await from the NFL Draft. Glad you're with us. David Helman, Kyle Yomen's, Jeff Kavanall, Kevin kt Turner and I know we've already been doing this, but I've got to put the sounder up,

So I'm gonna go ahead and pitch. Let's go into some twitter on the twenty maybe there it is, there it is, We got it. I tried to give a lead in there. All right, This one comes from the nueltorious and you'll you'll know why I'm saying the nueltorious one. Whenever it comes to Marvin Wilson, I'd be more concerned with his injury history than his twenty twenty film. Of course.

Marvin Wilson defensive tackle out of Florida State. He said he could he can explain the bag twenty twenty film as compared to his really really good twenty nineteen film. But he just can't ignore the injuries. Don't believe he ever finished a season at Florida State. Jeff, what do you think about Marvin Wilson? We talked about this D tackle class just not being good, but he's one of those top names, and well, his film in twenty twenty wasn't good and injury history. Where do you rank him

on your board? Marvin Wilson. I'm debating if he's gonna be my top D tackle over Christian Barmore or not.

That's where I am with Marvin Wilson. And I know a lot of people will have him as like a third or fourth or fifth round guy after twenty twenty, but I just don't because my only question about Marvin Wilson is I want my team to do their background in terms of how did somebody who was such a dominant force as a I don't have this age in front of me, but probably what an eighteen and nineteen year old in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, maybe a nineteen and a twenty year old become so much less

dominant Because I've seen him line up in the role I'm gonna play him in the NFL, and I've seen him dominated and I saw him doing it for multiple years against people who were older than him. I think Marvin Wilson, he's like Mike greg Knwsom of the defensive tackles. If I can just say, okay, different defensive coordinators, different schemes, meniscus in the knee during the twenty twenty season, and I can go hump if I can get him healthy.

And I say this with knowing nothing about him personally, nothing about his football care or work ethic or anything. But if Mike Scots tell me that his twenty twenty had nothing to do with just like not loving it or not working at it and it was just that he was banged up and they'd switched schemes, then to me, Marvin Wilson's the best d tackle in this class because his eighteen and nineteen film I think is more consistently dominant than Christian Barmore at any point in his career.

So that's Marvin Wilson. So many people are thinking like maybe even day three guy, and I'm looking at him like Gallie. I mean, I've seen him line up and exactly what I'm going to ask him to do in the NFL and absolutely dominate for multiple years, and we're just gonna write that off. Marvin Wilson is potentially a study. It was not fair to Marvin Wilson to go as

quick David. It's it's not fair for Marvin Wilson to go, you know, line up at the five technique and he had to do that, and it's just not good for him. Like so like things like that is kind of annoying. It's kind of is very tough about sometimes evaluating these guys. I mean, there's a game from a few years back when he just wiped out McKay Beckton and he was playing outside and even though that's not like his position,

you could see the explosion. And I think that's what's so frustrating about the Stephen's tackle class is the consistency. You have these guys with Marvin Wilson and Bartimore who at times when you see them flash, you're going, holy crap. Aline McNeil is another guy when you see him flash here on holy crap. And then you have these like

less exciting guys like Tommy Toby. Guy, he's a good player, but he's not exciting, he's not explosive, and oh, he's just a good run player, strong, and that's where it kind of gets frustrating for me. I have Marvin Wilson the second round because I'm banking on what he can be and not what he was at times at Florida State. And I just encourage everyone who watches some of these Florida State guys Janarius Robinson and Kane as well, keep

it on. These guys were are extremely good athletes, especially coming out of high school into college, and they dealt with coaching changes and they dealt with a ton of stuff at Florida State that really did not help their development at all. Get him into an NFL locker room, into a system, and I like these guys is really good value those other guys in day three and I still have a second round grade on Marvin Wilson. Now forty four, you're gonna have to tell me who's on

the board. They're gonna be probably some other guys there I like more, but yeah, he's definitely a consideration for me there. I think a big and this is more so media than the actual teams, but like those of us in the media, it feels like it's so much about momentum, Like j. C. Horne's a great example of like, and Jeff, You're right, like these pro days are totally fogus.

But you know JC Horne runs a four to three nine, and all of a sudden, people are like, oh, he might be just as good as certain and it's like, well, the tape never changed, and that's how it. Like Marvin Wilson and Christian Barmore. The last time I saw Christian Barmore, he was beating up two of the best teams in the country. And Marvin Wilson, you know, twenty nineteen feels like a lifetime ago, especially you know, with the pandemic and everything is, and so I feel more this is

just me, totally subjective. I feel more confident betting on a guy who was kicking ass in his last game as opposed to a guy where I'm like, well, maybe I can help him rediscover what he used to be. I don't have a problem. I wouldn't have a problem drafting him. It's a classic case. I do this all the time where I'm like, wouldn't be excited about drafting him at forty four, but maybe a little bit later on just because I think in the top fifty, I

don't I don't want to. I shouldn't be asking questions about a guy that I'm at drafting in the top fifty, Like I should just be like, this guy is ready to go, and I don't have to worry about injuries or the fact that he didn't play very well last year. And I think I kind of ride the fence a little bit. I'm pulling a David Hellman here in that regard, But I agree with what you're saying. It's fun on the fifth it is. You get to have both opinions.

But if you're in the top fifty and you're getting a guy at defensive tackle, you've done this before where you've had questions, Right trist Nill, I mean, I guess that wasn't top he was. You're right, but Marvin Wilson could also be a bad player. Tristan Hill. Tristan Hill had some very exciting flashes like his just like plays. But I can't compare a guy who had fifteen flash plays at Central Florida to a dude who was dominant at Florida State for multiple years. Well that's not fair.

He was Doriston Hill was a run mare. Nilly liked that he got off the ball well twelve times. You are, You're not wrong about that, yeah, But I mean, whenever you're talking about Marvin Wilson consensus five star, I mean he was one of the top recruits in the country able to come out of high school and then once again was able to translate that game to the college level in twenty nineteen, but just wasn't able to do

it in twenty twenty. That worries me that, And like you said, there's guys that figure it out at the college level, and that guys that just don't nest early take it to the next level. If Marvin Wilson would have came out last year, he would have been a lock to go early day too. Instead, he wanted to try and go rise up draft boards and try and make a Derek Brown type of jump. And if you would have done that, then sure you would have had that. But instead he just had a mediocre year and kind

of pitter patter down the stretch. And I think that's what has a lot of teams worried to k to Kat's point, I just have to believe that there would be a guy available that I'd be more excited about drafting at forty four. I mean, yeah, I would be a lot more excited if there was another name called other than Marvin Wilson. All Right, this question comes from John Nelson. He said Zeke had his best years with

a good blocking fullback. Any chance that Dallas looks at a fullback or maybe even a blocking tie it in in the latter rounds and who could that potentially be. I've got a couple names that come to mind. First, one is a fun little pet cat at fullback out of the Senior Bowl, Ben Mason from Michigan. That would be a lot of fun for me, I think, as they don't necessary utilize a fullback and they already cut the one that they had, But there's some guys in

this draft that could be blockers. I just I'm doing this right off the rip with no research done whatsoever. But like, is that is that even true? Like in Zeke has been on the team since twenty sixteen, Like I know, you know they had Keith Smith for a

little while Jamaze while I was here. I would go I would bet I'd bet ten dollars without even looking at it that they in that entire time frame of fullback has never played more than like ten to twelve percent of the snaps, like they used Keith in short yardage situations sometimes, but like this was never the nineties, you know, like it wasn't like Moose Johnson where you're

just constantly bulldozing people. So I don't necessarily think I agree with that premise, which is why if they were to get a fullback, just do it in priority free agency like they do that every year anyway that you know, you sign a guy who can do a little bit of both. Shiwo Alana Lua kind of fits that role right now, especially since they released Jamay's I mean, if there's a guy, if there's a guy they like that's

available after the draft, go for it. But I wouldn't want to spend a draft pick on one kat and tight ends. With a new fullback, you can use tight ends there, and that's what I think. You know, we saw him run the belldozer in there a couple times last year, right like, um, she maybe shot Sean McKinnon can maybe do that. Um, I'm not spending a draft pick on a guy who's just a fullback. But it's a fun position that I definitely played in junior high and I totally went the fullback to stay alive a

little bit. Go draft kat, I would like to say that I um I have a fullback for the Cowboys. He plays at Alabama. His name is Jalen Waddle. Because there's no point in having two hundred fifty pound dudes whose job is to run in a hole and mash into a run defender and bringing a you're rundefender into the box. In the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty one, the idea that fullbacks still exists and non Kyle Shanahan offenses is absurd and I will not stand for it.

The fullback is what you would get if Jason Garrett came back, and we don't need that. Okay, say no to fullbacks. A matter of fact, it's about time to start saying no to tight ends running four wide, and then the next step is gonna be saying goodbye to running backs and going five wide and let your quarterback run. Now we're dancing, let's go. Now the fullbacks out. You just want, you just need a running back who can catch the ball. But I'm with you over like ten personnel.

That's the wave that's the move man. Yeah, you hate twelve personnel. I can't unless one of those when less one of those two tight ends is Kyle Pitts, I can't stand it. That would be fun though, Yeah, yeah, that could get you excited. Personnel likes two tight ends. Oh all, all the head coaches like two tight ends because they're all, you know, fifty plus and refused to let go of some of those concepts. But that's okay. Talking about some of these guys that could maybe jump

up into the top ten. Ja Stender on Twitter says it is well discussed the possible top ten picks with quarterbacks, offensive lineman, wide receivers, tight ends, corners. Who is someone that we're not talking about that could jump into the top ten and make things really interesting? And another option to ship someone down to pick number ten. I'm gonna start with kat on this one, Katie, anybody that's outside of the top ten conversation that could slip in. It

feels like he slipped out of the conversation. But Michael Parsons deserves to be in that conversation. I could see it. De Troy at seven pulling the you know, doing that, you know, if Seul and Slater are both gone at eight. You know, does Elijah Vera Tucker get into that top ten conversation? Maybe? You know, I don't know if he deserves to be that high pretty close for that, I don't know. I mean, I'm a guy who's not one in love with jac Hornet pick ten, So you know,

I think I think this is the whole thing. Like getting into the top ten. It's very easy to narrow it down and get what you want. It's different than when you're picking seventeen and you're kind of flipping coins on who you got over there. Ten. You narrow it down, you get one or two guys, you know who you want, and that no better be who you get. Yes, I don't know if we're really leaving anyone out. I yes, I would say go to the linebacker. J Ok and

Parsons perhaps should be in that conversation. I would go to pass rushers. I think if you're gonna have a surprise, he would play on the edge because it's just such an important position. So like my order would be Adularry Phillips, bash him, pay Turner Oway. But we were talking about the NFL, and so we got to read tea leaves, so I would say Quitty pay would be the guy who could throw it off and be a top ten pick.

Jeff took the words right out of my mouth, just because he's got the craziest upside of the bunch, like and you know, the college production wasn't there, but with the numbers that he turned in, and I know you can't completely trust pro days, but I just think his athleticism is on that level where if a team just absolutely wants to take a swing at a pass rusher,

I think he would be the one. And then yeah, I'm it's hard to imagine this happening, but you know, maybe if maybe if Slater and Sewell are gone, or maybe maybe somebody just like loves Dary Saw or like Jenkins more than some or Elijah Vera Tucker may you know, I think back a couple of years, well even last year the Giants kind of shocked everybody when they took Andrew Thomas first among all of those offensive tackles, and the year before that, the Raiders took Cleveland Farrell and

just blew everybody away. So you know, just because the common logic says, like Slater sewel and then everybody else, but that doesn't mean that every team agrees with that. So yeah, pass rushers and offensive tackles, I think always have a chance to shake things up. I would have originally said mac Jones just based off of where I thought he was gonna go initially, but I think that's already kind of been pretty much taken care of. He's probably going in the top ten, and somebody's gonna try

and take him in the top ten. I can still see him slipping out. I think Micah Parsons, like you said, if somebody really falls in love with him and they're not necessarily as concerned about the off the field issues, or maybe they think he's a better player than he is on the field, and maybe they go up and get him. But that's pretty much the extent of it. I think the top ten of this draft is pretty straightforward.

By the way, last year, when we did our mock draft of the top the top thirty two picks, we got nine of the ten picks in the first round, right, I mean, we were It's pretty easy usually to be able to say. I think that's a thing that's happening right now is like we're all we're bored. Every Cowboys haven't picked this high up in a while. Like we're bored of We're like, surely gonna happen, Surely there's something

else that could change. It's like, no, not really, there's probably thirteen names that make sense for these ten spots, and it's I'm kind of bored of talking about it too, but I think that's what's gonna happen. So why guys like Jeff Kavan I want to talk about Jalen Waddle at ten instead of talking about Jeff Spender. Guys banging on that drum since like the SEC Championship. I don't blame him though, you guys like winning. I've got a wide receiver for you, Jeff. And this next question, how

about that? Goodness? I lost it already, all right? So Vance on Twitter says, why is no one talking about Shy Smith out of South Carolina? Insanely productive, showed out at the Senior Bowl and comes from a college that produces really good receivers. He loves the idea of taking him in the fourth or the fifth round, and that's really where the Cowboys would have to find a burner like that ran of four four three, he had a one six ten yards split. I mean the broad jumps,

the vertical jumps were good led the team in receiving. Jeff, do you know a whole lot about Shy Smith and why are we not talking about him as a Cowboys option late in the draft? Well, I dig the alliteration in his name. It's a cool sounding name. And I heard kat make sounds when you said his name. I'm currently cramming on my wide receivers to get prepared to have some twelve wide receivers and he is not one of them. So Katie gets sexy with it. Yeah, I know,

he's a slot guy at five to nine. The thing about Shy Smith is he made some really really impressive catches. I remember the Senior Bowl and a lot of impressive catches. But if you're talking about Shy Smith and you're kind of taking by Jalen Darden to pick away, so I serve my big issues. But Shi Smith's a good player. The thing about Shi Smith is how incredibly aggressive he

is at all times as a route runner. And usually those slut guys seem a little more nuanced, you know, more kind of joy sticky, and I don't really see that as much with him. I kind of see him as just kind of run through a guy to get across and kind of get open a little bit. He's kind of more of a you know, an A to B type guy. And I'm not saying he's not shifty. I'm just saying he's not as shifty as you know the Jalen Darden's who I just you know, talked about.

So again, I like him highly productive UM in his in his career UM fourth round, fifth round for me on my wide receiver chart. Uh, as I got through my wide receiver rankings, there's just so many of them. Ten his wide receiver twenty for me. Yeahs, fifth round at just the wrong USC, Sat Brown. There you go, son fun. It's different types of players though, I mean, Saint Brown is the seventh receiver on my board, whereas Shy Smith's eighteen. I agree with the production though from

Shy Smith and the question that was asked. I mean Deebo Samuel Brian Edwards, two receivers that have notably gone in the last couple of years that have had immediate impacts in the NFL, and Shy Smith has been just as productive with those guys in the lineup. And then he was a productive without those guys in the lineup. So I think over the course of his career, you could look at it and say, Shy Smith's been just as good as those two guys have during their time

at South Carolina. Why can't we talk about him the same way, especially if he's going to fit that slot role, which he's quick enough, he's big enough, he's shifty enough to be able to do that in the NFL. I like him a lot. And I know we always say I made this joke on Twitter like a month ago. We always say like, don't scout the helmet, don't scout the program. But at this point, I'm like, oh, he was a stud at South Carolina. He's probably pretty damn good.

Whenever he has production playing alongside those guys, that's gonna help. And without absolutely I don't have a problem with him, other than maybe that I'm a little bit spoiled. You know, we got for so many years it was like, well, Dez is the X and Terence is the Z, and Beasley has to play in the slot because that's what he does. And now you know, Amari and Lamb are

so damn versatile, and I'm a little bit spoiled. By having guys that can move all over the place, and I feel like Shy Smith, maybe he can play on the outside, but I assume he would be primarily a slot. I'd be perfectly fine drafting him on Day three, But I think there are other guys that are a little bit more reversatile that I think I would rather have.

But I do like we probably haven't talked enough about drafting a receiver because you have ten picks, it's a loaded class, and we don't know what the future holds from Michael Gallop, and so I absolutely love the idea of restocking the depth chart. Probably not with not with one of the first four picks, but yeah, I mean it would It would be a lot of fun to use a Day three pick. And if I mean, if Shy Smith is who they picked, I'm not going to

complain about it. What do you feel like the odds are that the Cowboys do pick a receiver with ten picks in the middle of this draft. Ten picks, I bet, and who knows if who knows if they'll even make all ten picks, But yeah, I think they've got six picks on Day three right now. I bet one of them will be a receiver or like the class is too deep, and you know between Gallop and obviously Noah

Brown and Cedric Wilson don't have long term situations here. Again, I think with a class this loaded, I think it's very smart to just sort of try to keep that conveyor belt moving and that way. You know, not not that that you're trying to kick Michael Gallop off the team, but it gives you option. It gives you options for the future, and you can get a really really good

player in the fourth, fifth, sixth round. And even better, you don't have to play him right away like he don't don't You don't need to lean on him as a rookie. So I hope they do it. For sure. If shy Smith ended up as a Cowboy, I wouldn't be upset, don't nor should you. Like I said, there are other guys I like more, But that doesn't mean I dislike shy Smith at all. There you go. When we come back here on the Draft show, who is a starting linebacker the Cowboys could potentially draft in Day

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here over the last forty eight minutes. Kyle Yeoman's, David Hellman, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin KT Turner, and Jeff find me a linebacker that the Cowboys could draft Day two? Who could start immediately? Ernie asked this question on Twitter. Is there one available? Oh? Yeah, well start immediately? Who are you kicking off the team you kick? If you make that decisions,

you have your starting limit. Okay, Well, the NFL on he plays two starting linebackers, so whoever you pick is not starting until you decline lv's fifth year option and you get rid of number fifty four it for this season.

But that's okay, you can figure that out later. Um. You know, it depends on how the draft falls, because you know, every year you start talking about, oh, I'd love to have this guy at this pick, and then the whole world goes he's not good at falling there and you're like, okay, well you got CDLA at seventeen.

So my guy would obviously beat Nick Bolton, the Missouri linebacker, if you can find a way to get him to forty four, which is not impossible because he's five foot eleven and he didn't test well athletically, so NFL teams are gonna go, oh, small unathletic linebacker. When do I pick him? And my answer is forty four if the NFL will let you, because I love Nick Bolton. But I mean, I got a list of guys. So if any of you guys are big fans of any of

these guys individually, feel free to talk about him. But you got well, we say that Parsons is gone, Zavian Collins is gone, and Jayman Davis has gone by forty four maybe and think so, yeah, that's pretty safe, okay, And even if so, I would say, you've got guys like Baron Brownie at Ohio State, who I'm a big fan of, Jabrille Cox at LSU. I like, Okay, Dylan Moses is interesting, but I don't trust him. Pete Warnard,

Ohio State. My guy Jones, what's Ernest Jones? I believe that South Carolina And I mean I've got more and more and more and more guys. Yes, you can find lineback round day two, and I think there's gonna be a chance for some pretty good value on one. Baron Browning is on the shortlist of picks that would make me do a backflip. I just met four. Yeah, I mean, I think that's probably where you'd have to take him. And I just, I just I like his game a lot.

I think I think he could fall to seventy five. It's and that like I I never I try not not just a sweet spot, like he's not at forty four seventy five, he's still more in between. I try not to peck guys because like we're wrong all the time, you know, I mean, Ja Jam and Davis. Nobody was talking about until three weeks three, four weeks ago, and now it's like that he was the first round, well

not only first round. People are like he might not last at number twenty, So it's hard to peck this stuff. I just I know you can get Baron Browning on day two. And I like his game a lot. I like his athleticism. He hits, he gets to the ball carrier, he makes plays, and yeah, like if you needed him too, I think he could start right away and you don't

have to spend a crazy expensive resource on him. And unless it was bolted, I don't think I would have loved a linebacker at forty four, but I would love or I would like Browning at forty four over jimbro Cox, And those are all guys who I would not mind at all at seventy five because I do think you still have to be kind of picky up there in the top fifty and things like that. So whilst at Baron Browning he always kind of looked for that guys.

When we talked about this earlier with Marvin Wilson, it's a little different conversation with Baron Browning. You do give him some bonus points for getting better as his career went on. So that's something that Baron Browning absolutely did. I mean, he had out standing production and got better as his career went on, and I think that's kind of important. So again, day two is a good thing. But I really don't want anything to do with linebacker at ten or forty four, to be honest. Well, okay,

well how about that. I've got to know I've got a thing that I'll make you happy. Then how about another Ohio State linebacker? A little bit later on Blake Kenson on Twitter asked would Pete Warner fit the Cowboys as a hybrid linebacker and what round would you target him? And I guess you're not does not like the question. CD is anti Pete Warner always has, just does not like him at all. Pete Wurn's fine. I think Pete

Warner on tape, I'll be honest. I was just like, Oh, here's a guy that's kind of not all that athletic and drops that he does are very basic, but he'll do his job. So I was like fourth, fifth round. And then his athletic testing was way better than I thought it would be. I didn't think he was that athletic, So I think that helps Pete Warner. I bet he's like a third round guy. If I had to guess, I don't know if I want to be the team

that does that there. But Mike, I mean, again, as Dave, I'm not gonna use the weird word Dave was using, but I don't like to try to guess exactly where it's going to go. Wow, Pete Warner, Jeffrey Hug third round, Jesus Jesus, jeff some of those numbers on Werner in his athletic testing four point five nine, one point five six. He had a pretty good jump, actually a top three vertical in the linebacker class, just under forty inches thirty nine and a half is what he was measured at.

So you're right. I mean the numbers stuck out for him, and on tape he's fundamentally sound. He has a great history. I mean, his dad played football and baseball for DePaul University and he was a tight end for two years in the NFL. He's had the pedigree, he has the athleticism. Why not try and take a guy like that later on, especially if Kat was talking about how he's scared of a guy at forty four, which okay, I don't want to turn this into the David Hellman LSU Tiger Hour,

and I try not to do that on this. I mean, we talk about Jalen dartin so I am I'm curious, and so Kat's just Kat must love Jalen Smith because he's out on drafting linebackers early, and that's fine, and Vendish, that's yeah, good point. But all right, so you don't like what they have and you don't want to draft a linebacker. So I'm at a loss for your I'm at a loss for what's going on in KT fun Land over there, but trying to pay you here on what you're doing. God we are play four so close

to the rails. Wait, okay, why here's my thing? Why? Well, what I'm saying is I would rather have a camera groan Amani rice a hafanga in round four. It picked one fifteen. Okay, I just linebacker is a valuable position to me. It's just not well it's it's not a top ten position, but I think, I mean, I think I think it is. If there's a guy worth taking at forty four, I think you do it. Which that is the question I wanted to ask. I feel like

neither one of y'all really loves Jabril Cox. And I'm not saying he's the you know, he ain't Devin White, But what is it about him that you don't like? I think that he and jam And Davis in Kentucky, like, I think they're actually exact opposites. Like jam And Davis is an awesome run player and as a coverage guy, he's got a lot to prove. Jabril Cox is an outstanding coverage guy. Yes, and I think he's a bad

run defender, like I think his fits are bad. The diagnos is bad, the actual tackling itself is not good. So it's a linebacker who's a bad run player, Which is a really interesting question because I do believe coverage is super important today it's NFL. That's why he has so much value. But when a guy's not a good run defender, what do you do see that? I put him in the cheat around two three. I agree with

everything you just said, but I feel completely different. I'm just like, give me the guy that can cover, and I'm I'm more familiar with Jabril Cox than a lot of these guys. I think that's because we're hurt because our linebackers can't necessarily cover. We're scarred by the fact that we want to cover his linebacker coverage. You want

to see that coverage is what you can't teach. I would like I would like to think that a coach, a good coach can teach to play down hill can make you a better run defender, Like anybody with athleticism who is big enough to play in the NFL should be able to learn how to tackle better and you know, work against the run better. I don't know if you can teach a guy how to move in space and keep up with some of these athletes that are playing offense these days. So I'll and that's just me. I mean,

it's like different flavors of flavors of ice cream. But like, I would rather try to teach Jabril Cox how to tackle than draft a guy that can't cover and hope that he can magically learn how to do that. So I want to try and get two questions in here before we're done with the show. First from Grady says to piggyback off of what Brian broad has said. On last week's show, Brian tried to trade that the tenth overall pick for Chase Young. That's unrealistic. We kind of

hit that on the show. But what if Washington offered you the pick number nineteen and then also dron Payne for number ten. Is that a little bit more realistic? And would that be some thing you would be interested in? Jeff, you're already shaking your head no, because I agree with Brian because we're kind of kicking it around on radio. And the thing with Washington is like, Okay, their division rival. Is that going to stop me from trading with them

if I think it's my best offer? It's not. But if they're coming up for their quarterback, they're not giving me a solid defensive tackle in nineteen for their future quarterback. You're not doing it like. That's why I actually think the Chase Young thing might seem far fetched, But that would be the very beginning of my conversation. If Washington calls is you want your future quarterback, well, then you're gonna give me your stud pass rusher and number nineteen,

and that'll be the beginning of our conversation. If that doesn't begin a conversation, we got nothing to talk about because you're wanting me to give you a quarterback. So it's either nineteen and next year's one and then some or it's let's talk about Chase Young. Yeah, that goes well. Hey, hey what we got we gotta ride Fitzpatrick though we got ride Fitzpatrick, though you got him, make this trade,

we got fitz magic. Huh huh huh. Looking forward to playing against him, and one of the games against us, he's gonna throw four scores and he's gonna beat us by seventeen. The other one he's gonna throw four picks and we're gonna win by thirty. So it'll be great going five and eleven this year. Well, get your games right, It goes true. Yeah, that's true. Well, wow, I gotta think about that. I don't want to put words in your mouth. I don't want to put words in your mouth.

That goes Like when we argued about this the first time, Brian was like, well, congratulations, they're they're gonna hang up the phone. They're not gonna trade with you. I'm like, that's fine, meet my price or buzz off, Like true, I'm not helping quarterback. I'm not helping my division rival find a franchise quarterback. Honestly, I might not do it no matter what. But if I do it, you are going to pay well. And like, oh no, you're gonna hang up the phone on me. Guess I just have

to pick a great player. What was me like, I want Yeah, I want to Ron Payne and next year's one and nineteen or or I want Chase Young and next year's or whatever, like I want a crazy price. If I'm expecting a team that I have to play twice a year to do business with me um into a question. But okay, And just to follow that up, like everybody is thinking it's absurd because Chase Young is so good, which he was supposed to be, But think about it. This way. Picking Chase Young for Washington was

a massive mistake. Messive, How much better is that team if they picked Justin Herbert? M? Yeah, that's true. Is ten times brighter if they picked Justin Herbert. You want me to help you get your quarter knowing dude, wash helmet, you won't give me your defense end. Washington is a quarterback away from Gosh, that was a really I don't want to I don't want to say that they would run this division if they had a good quarterback. But that is a scary freaking team with a good quarterback.

I would be if that was Justin Herbert, I'd be scared for the next decade. And instead of Kyle Allen last year, and it should have been. I'm not I'm not trying. I'm not trying to help them find that puzzle piece unless they are really gonna pay me well for it. I don't know. If they wanted to give me two firsts and maybe talk about a defensive end or somebody like that, to go up and pick mac Jones, I might let them do it, because I don't. I mean,

I'm also just not super Jane the quarterback. Oh no, for sure. Yeah that's but I can't let them know that before they agree to the press. You play it up like, oh man, Mac Jones, this guy, look at this guy. Yeah, no, that's that's the way you do it, all right. Final question, and this one I was semi forced to Matt Jones forced to throw into this. Okay, So my girlfriend Lorena asked, if you could could make sure the Cowboys take Kyle Pitts at ten, but you

couldn't contact your significant other or your best friend. If you don't have a significant other for a month, would you do it? You wouldn't talk to anybody significant your best friend, but the Cowboys or just help saying Kyle, we're just helping Kyle Yeoman's get brownie points here today. Necessarily true. Um, I don't know what I'm going to answer. Is that supposed to be? Yes? I do. Is that

supposed to be considered a significant cost? Is that the idea it supposed to be something that would be supposed to be something that you give up from? Yeah, this is I mean, as long as as long as you're allowed to tell them first. I'm sure I do that. Just I had to be able to clear cold turkey. No, you can't. You can't know they can't know what's going on. What's going on? Oh, they're not gonna look Kyle Pitts go Yeah, good pig, Chris, it's just popped on Xbox.

What Yeah, that's said? Are we talking about your relationship? No? No No, No, this is you because I wanted to. I wanted to put it out there as the only single guy on this show. This is easy. I don't like I don't love my friends that much. Give me, Kyle Pitts. I'd love to see you go a month without talking to Chuck. I want to see this. Oh, I can get to do that one No, I could do that. I just spent a week with her in Hawaii. I could absolutely do that. Just never talk to her again.

The best thing ever for my relationship would be to not talk to her for a month because she doesn't want to be around me. She's annoyed by me. It'd be great for her. No, I've been I've been around. I've been around how often Jeff spends on FaceTime with his significant other, And I just don't think that would go very well for there you go. No, I like it. So I for Kyle Pitts, I would say no, I would not do that. But if it's Rashawn s later a Pennay sul Oh talk, that's so lame. Might you

would make that sacrifice offensive offensive line? I like, I like the potential there, But that's gonna do it for us here on the Draft show. So glad you've been with us here over the last hour, for Chris Bean, for David HELLMT, Jeff Cavanaugh, Kevin KT Turnerho pulls out the guitar right at the end, I'm Kyle Yeoman's We'll see you on Thursday, Draft nine days away. We'll see you next day, every bird. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.