Draft Show: Full 7-Round Mock; Final Thoughts

a little bit later on here in the program. Boys, how's it feel to be out on the road. It feels good to have it be draft week? How about that? I'm excited about that too. And as I mentioned, we're out here at Shakerton's right, Dave, Yes, Shakerton's in the colony. If you're in the Dallas Fort Worth area. We're here till seven o'clock. They got special giveaways and prizes the whole time. We're here excited about that. This used to be my This Shue is my stomping grounds. Me and

Dane we were across the street. Yeah, I have to venture over here quite a bit nice little area over here, lively little area here. Absolutely five minutes south of us. Absolutely, yeah. So if you're in the area, come on buy and see us. We got plenty of Miller light here for you facts and we're enjoying ourselves. We're gonna get into some draft talk today. Of course. What I want to do, guys is I'd like to get into the Cowboys. I'd like to do a seven round mock draft, at least

for the first hour of the program. I'd like to I'd like to be able to get into that and kind of give folks an idea of what names might be there at fifty eight and then at ninety and then as we go through this draft, I want to be able to talk about if we need to move up, do we need to move back, do we need This is something that we annually do every year on the Draft show. We thought so, I thought it'd be a good opportunity to take it out in front of a

crowd and see folks reactions as we do this. So with that being said, I always turned the draft over to Dane Brugler, and Dane kind of explained the ground rules of what you got going in this draft and how we're going to follow the draft. Well, obviously this year is a little different. No first rump pick so for the Cowboys, So first round we'll be watching. Okay, but it really doesn't matter for yeah, watching being the

keyword exactly. Really, it's gonna be what safeties are off the board in the first thirty two picks, right close eye on that a couple of these visits, does a long thornhill sneaking in the top thirty two. Okay, that'll be something we're watching for because as we begin day two then starts things start to get more interesting. And as we watch, safeties want to watch for people that fall too right exactly who gets pushed onto day two

of the draft? Someone that uh, you know, a Montest sweat is someone that's been in the news this week because of the heart condition. Yeah, I don't think he's fallen that far. No, I don't think so either the teams that we've talked to. It's it's a concern, but not something that should be a free fall. It's not

a more res first situation. Okay, Yeah, and what about like, okay, people have all I've asked me about Jeffrey Simmons from Mississippi State as being another guy who had to do with off the field stuff and then dealing with a knee injury. Is there a possibility of him sliding from say the middle of the draft all the way back to the back end of the second round, back end of the second that's just hard to see. He's too good, Yeah, he's way too good. Now could he slip to the

second round? It's possible because we're talking about a guy that basically has to take a red shirt year and listen, day in this day in age Acls. You feel good he's gonna be able to come back, but still, everybody's

knees different. You just never know. So it's a big risk to take in the first round one that I bet you know, team like mebe the Patriots could go after let me ask you this, and like we always talk about this, Brian, you love to talk about like the start of day two, you know, the first pick, the value for the first pick on Day three, the first pick of that fourth round. So when we're closing this thing down on Thursday night, how many names and they're still gonna have to wait a while on Friday

because they don't pick till fifty eight. But how many names do you think we're gonna be really excited about that they're still there, Like as you know, maybe a Simon slips or you know, anything like that. You know, Taylor Rap maybe falls out of the first round because of his slow forty time. I just wonder. I feel like it's a good bet most of these guys were

talking about are still going to be in play. Yeah, I think that obviously we'll get more exciting as the second round and talking to people with the organization, they're hopeful that they have a top forty player that somehow gets to them. That's where it happens every single they're they're hopeful that when they when they when their turn to pick at fifty eight, that whether that player is

an injury guy. You know Thompson the safety from Alabama as an example of a guy that has the injured wrist. But he was a guy when we started this process that all of a sudden he was a first round guy and now nobody, nobody talks about him at all at all. So but you know, we and we haven't included him in the safety and have we not included him in the safety talk because he's similar to what

they have with Xavier Woods. Is that is that why we don't focus on Thompson the safety from Alabama very much? I think that makes a lot of sense. And listen, they have not shown any interest in Deontay Thompson at all, not at all it visits meetings, they have shown zero interest in Deontay Thompson. Could that be one big uh, you know, way to hide? Would you want to do? Sure? But it's a long shot. I don't think Deontay Thompson

is in the plans for this team. But we'll be interesting to see what safeties fall or how many safeties go in the first round. Uh, maybe in the siratterlie, maybe a thornhill. I think Darnell Savage has gotten a lot of run lately. Is it possible? The answer is none, It is possible. That's the answer that I want. I think it's possible. Likely, probably not. You know with the safety group is uh, it's a deep group, but it doesn't start to flex its muscles until the second round.

If you had to guess, is I can't imagine it to to be more than two. That'd be surprising. Yeah, yeah, maybe one, maybe two? Right? Is there going to be a surprise though it's safety are we Are we going to feel like though that maybe Thornhill will go above a Taylor rout Is there going to be somebody that we've been ranking as that third or fourth guy that's gonna end up being the guy behind Adderley that we're add The reason we've been talking about Thornhill so much

interchangeable productive, he tested off the charts. I mean, there's a reason we've been talking about him, and because of those reasons, there's a good chance he could sneak into the top thirty two. And you mentioned this team could be looking at him as a corner kind of like the Byron Jones situation. Absolutely Seattle pick twenty one. Yeah, yeah, there there's two hurdles that I think that he has to get by. I think he'd be a perfect fit

for what they want to do. So all of a sudden, with the Chiefs there at that twenty ninth pick now belonging to the Seattle Seahawks, I think that is a possible destination for him. Darnhill Savage from Maryland, who he's been getting up a lot of run lately in league circles. About a guy who teams really alike. He's undersized. So Thornhill or Adderlei or Savage as that potential guy both, Yeah, I think both because they're they well, they're different skill sets.

One thorn Hill is a little bigger than Savage, but Savage has been He's crushed the entire process, just like Thornhill Senior Bowl combine workouts and those things matter. Whereas we talked about Deontay Thompson not being able to work out, do a full workout, Um Taylor Rab running the four seven eighth, those things matter. Jonathan Abram some worries about maybe the shoulder or some missues going on there. Absolutely so because of these issues, all of a sudden, the

first two Nasira Adderley, he hasn't been healthy. He ran a four six at his pro day, wasn't able to do a full workout because of his ankle. So all of a sudden we could be talking about one Thornhill and a guy like Savage as two of the first three safeties off the board. I'm gonna go out on a small limb. I mean, Dane just set it up so it's not a big limb. But the order that these safeties come off the board will be surprising for one reason or another. Yeah, you know, maybe maybe Savage

is a first rounder. Yeah, that's maybe. Thornhill goes a lot higher. I've seen, you know, Chauncey Gardner Johnson flexes anywhere from like thirty two to sixty depending on who you're talking to. So I just it's gonna be that'll be an intriguing thing to watch as this unfold. You can say the same thing about the corners too. You know, who's gonna be the first corner off the board? Will it be Greedy Williams, will be Byron Murphy, Rocky a Sin from Temple could absolutely be him. And what order

they come off any in the top twenty five. It really will be fascinating these DB's as a whole to see how many go in the first round and what order and then who's left and when we start the

second round. Yeah, and so okay, with with all that being said, let's get this draft story now, and we're gonna take out of play the first round, right Yeah, first forty picks would take the first forty picks off the board, right right, So no need to go into that kind of have an idea of well when and we'll pick it up and say pick forty one and then work our way down through this Cowboys seven round

mock trap. Sounds good? Okay. So for this purpose is if you like bigger names off the board, maybe that we would consider falling to fifty eight. Okay, LJ. Colliers off the board. He went thirty five to the Raiders. Okay, so we lose a defensive end there. Yeah, the safeties that we were just talking about, na see her add Early and Jonathan Abraham both off the board. Okay, so far top forty safeties. Okay, who else we've been talking about it as possibilities. Jeffrey Simmons has gone thirty two

to the Patriots. Um so starting at forty one, that's where Darnell Savage goes. So another safety off the board. Okay, So so okay, let's let's okay re read. Okay, sound like to me, you've already said, what three safeties off the board? First safety off the board? Right? But none of the ones that like devastate me, you know, because I gave up on those dreams a long time ago. If that makes sense. Okay, but does that make us think about now maybe having to trade up in this

thing at these things. That's what I'm saying, because nobody that I expected to like this is all quilling according to plan so far? Okay, Like, didn't we give up on Abraham a while ago? I think? So, yeah, yeah, Okay, well okay, let's look at that scenario. What would it take to get up to pick forty two? I think what you're gonna have to do is you're gonna get that third round pick to get to forty five. The numbers are gonna be your Your pick is worth your

pick there at what I give it to. One thirty seven is worth one hundred and fifty points, So to get to forty five, it's one hundred and twenty points. You know you're gonna have to probably overpay a little bit, but that's that third round pick will get you to where you need to go. Is that something you want to talk about? Is that something we want to discuss as a realistic possibility, giving up that third coming away with the safety that we want. Okay, now we have

to think. We have to think about though, what we're giving if we're gonna move, if we're gonna make this move, we have to think about what are the possibility that we're gonna lose in the third round there, if you know what are we gonna lose? Are we looking at you know? If we're gonna go for it? Now? Dane always told me, and he's absolutely right about this. If you're gonna go you're going for a player. Ye You're not going for a position. You're going for a player.

And he's absolutely right about that. So we have to determine though, if we're going to get a player or if we just sit. Does it mean more to us just to sit and be able to get a defensive tackle, get a running back, get a possible defensive end, get a corner there, wide receiver. I mean, there's we're limiting a lot of things that we can do if we

decide to go up. Doesn't doesn't this team need bodies like you look at all the contracts that are going to expire soon, and the Cowboys will absolutely Cowboys will resign some of them. Amari Cooper will be here, Dak Prescott will be here. But that's a there's a lot of guys with expiring contracts, so you're getting rid of a premium. Pick a guy you expect to be a

major contributor and let me frame it this way. Last year, picking middle of the second round, middle of the third round instead of coming away with Connor Williams and Michael Gallup, right, would you rather have those two players or maybe a trader for Courtland Sutton? Because that's this is what we're

talking about, coming away with one player or two players? Yeah, and and and actuality, you're getting two starters now because if you look at with, you know, with with with Michael Gallup, you know he's likely to be starting the opposite right of Cooper and then you've got you know, the left guard exactly. So, and that's the scenario. You maybe you're getting a little bit better wide receiver in Courtland Sutton, right, but you're losing a starter on your

offensive line. So, and that's what we're talking about here, because you're giving up that third round pick. Would you expect to be, if not a starter, a big time contributor to your football team? And you have to give that up to go up and get jember player you want to get. You don't have any d tackles under contract in twenty twenty. And that's what are you're saying. I'm saying unless there's something crazy going on like you know, if if if if Simmons is plumbing down the board,

if it's you know, this crazy talent. Okay, yeah, well he was going he was right, I mean, no disrespect, no shade intended to wand Thornhill. But is he that you see that guy, see the one guy that I would consider trading up for. And this is gonna sound crazy because everybody's really calling him just a box safety is rap. Yeah, that's the one guy, and maybe he's the one guy that should be sliding because he's still here.

And yeah, okay, if with him still being on the board and I and we're now at forty two, I'm I'm gonna sit. I'm gonna sit right now and see. Yeah, now I'm gonna entertain this. This thing gets down to eight picks, eight more picks, I'm doing this if it's in a range where I only have to give up a fourth. I don't want to give up a third. Yeah that's how I feel. Okay, so we'd have to

go up. Okay, Okay, I'm with you. Let's go. Okay, we're gonna sit right now as we speak, We're gonna sit, yeah and watch the fifty and eight picks to get to us. Okay, this is gonna be tough. I need a turkey sandwich in a Miller light right now. So we help you out with one of those. Yeah, I can't want to check exactly. Uh, Mac Wilson's off the board. Justin Lane's off the board. Dalan Reisener's off the board. Okay, let's focus. So we just lost here, linebacker from Alabama,

linebacker from Alabama, juststin laying the corner from the corner state. Okay, we're still okay, We're still okay. And then we lost Reisener, the tackle guards center from Kansas State, first of all player like that, Okay, at forty five, Atlanta, it's one of our safeties. Gardner Johnson's off the board. Okay, So Atlanta taken one of our safeties. Okay, Now let's reset and think about what safeties we still have on the board. Safeties that are still available. Taylor Raphill, we just talked

about his possibility around one. Yeah, he's still still here in this scenario exactly. Yeah, I got you. Okay, So we're good. We're in good shape right now. We're still got thirteen picks to us, right, that's right. Okay, let's let's go. Let's keep going. Okay. DeAndre Bakers off the board. Okay, it's onner from Georgia. A Keen Butler watership Iowa State. Okay, Carolina, Okay. Sean Bunting corner from Central Chigan, a really good player.

That's kind of right. Risen up the boards here, I mean the word fifth and sticky, Yeah, sticky player and yeah color yeah, covering clawber I like that a lot. Uh Browns of forty nine take Taylor rap Ah, there's one of you guys. Okay, so now we're down to one safety. Okay, let's just to play. You know, you want to consider all the options. So forty nine, that's a trade of nine spots, right, how much does that cost?

It's gonna cost us one of our four? It's gonna cost you think you could do that for a fourth round? Think we could do it for work? Were COMPENSI you have for our own four? Is what we'd have to do. You'd have to, assuming the Browns are dead set on rap You'd have to trade to forty eight, though, wouldn't you. Yeah, So a jump of ten spots, you think pick one? Think before do that one twenty six gets ten spots.

I don't know. I don't know either. I think it would be I'm gonna try and offer it and see what happens. I think that's where I mean. I'm gonna try and make that move to see if they might be a team that's interested in Baylin. You know what I'm saying. I'm the closer you get picking Miami Dolphins. Yeah, yeah, there's a new general manager there, Chris Greer collected picks stat team, there's there's piling team picks. I'm gonna try

and offer Chris that and see if it works. Okay, you're thinking, though, we're still gonna have to give her three. I don't think they're gonna. I don't think a four is enough a late four, because even even the Cowboys four is a late four. It's who did the Dolphins? Yeah, a late fourth over a cornerback that you had in your top forty. I don't know, man, I don't think it's I don't think it's claws. Okay, it's not gonna be. Say if they don't want to take that, then let's

keep moving. Yeah, let's keep moving here. Then. I just don't want people to think we didn't fight for Taylor rap Ye, just trying to cover our bases Minnesota Draymond Jones fifty one. All right, that's where wan Thorn Hills coming off the board. So there's our safeties were wiped out. So we lost our safety at we were seven spots from us. Yes, we've determined that we didn't. We weren't. We weren't gonna move. I don't think one eight would

be enough to move off seven in a second. So by me not giving enough, we lost an opportunity to go and get this guy. Yeah, that's that's the draft for you. Yep. Jerry didn't want to give up a third for Paxton. See I didn't. I didn't want I didn't want to give up the third either. Yeah, because I was thinking, I was thinking, Okay, maybe maybe I can work a deal where they want to bail. They just want picks, you know that kind of thing. Isn't that a pipe dream? You know it? We'll look what

Dallas did that time when they dropped a gut. Yeah, Travis fred they got they got worked on the deal. They had it. They should have given it. They should have got a second round pick, and only got was a third. Yeah, so sometimes you could get but then that was an eighteen player or an eighteen spot drop. All due respect to the organization, wouldn't most people agree that that like shouldn't happen. Yeah, it shouldn't happen. It shouldn't happen at all. So I can't count on that.

Let me bring jeff Cavanaugh in from A one or five three the fan. Jeffrey, we sat here and determined that we we're just gonna sit this thing out. You guys lost all my guys, didn't You guys lost my guys. Maybe you didn't hear that they're picking six spots away from the end of the second round. Like I was over here trying to get my guys scream you want to get rid of the third round pick. No, we

did the right thing. We're great. Okay, you think you think by just sitting there though you did the right thing. I should should should the Cowboys have offered the third round pick. Who was the last safety we lost? Thornhill? I wouldn't. It's strange because I talked to Steven and he told me their number one thing in the safety is get the ball, and Thornhill is that guy. But I would rather go up for rap Yeah, because I feel like it fits better and I just have him

grated better pay. Not the three, okay, not the three that We're just gonna wait and pick a guy. Don I now call him a coward? Or do I call myself a coward for not doing that? Everything in two good players. Everything's black and white with you, Like you can be unwilling to make the trade and not be a coward, you know, like that's no. I cost us an opportunity to maybe get a guy. Now you have

an opportunity to get two guys. Okay, it's fine, it's gonna be okay, it's gonna think so yeah, yeah, all right at safety now, yeah, but we're wiped out at safety, so it's not to reset the board. Okay, how many players did you watch Dame total? Yeah? God, I don't know a thousand. Surely there's a safety somewhere. Yeah. We we fist pumped about a sixth round safety two years ago starting for the Cowboys. Now, okay, true, Okay, so

we're sitting at fifty one. We just lost Thornhill. I've thrown my pin for you know, half a dozen guy, exactly exactly. I've thrown my pin. So now let's sit and see where we get. Let's see what players are Bill will for us at fifty eight, start at fifty two? Please some players off the board. It's one of bitch, that's your guy right there. Okay, Now that that's interesting. Polite got to you right and all that he's a

top fifteen talent, that's probably top fifteen tape, top fifteen tape. Yeah, okay. Was that something that you guys would have hoped for with the cowboys? I mean, would you have hoped for I would have with the names that we're kicking around at fifty eight. I think he has considerably better tape than the ends that we're gonna kick around a fifty eight tape, there's no there's no question. But when you factor in everything else, that's where discussion gets a little muddy. Uh,

guy that has been overweight? You can't trust him? Is he gonna sound like Dave? Wow? Thanks? Thanks man? As I take a poll on my miller, is he gonna put it all together and reach his potential? That's and that's why he's still availing. He fall outs out of the top fifty and he's still available here. Okay, sow at fifty three. Now go ahead, Uh see Elgin's Jenkins

the center from Mississippi State. That's a great spot for him, by the way, if he doesn't go earlier than now, yeah, I mean that's a steal at that point for the Texans. Isaiah Johnson a corner we've talked about, Okay, Chris Richard went and worked Isaiah Johnson out. It's early. You think it's early on him. No, he's going, He's going. That's early. If you're wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let's let's why. Why is he early? Because his tape's not that good?

What do you not like about his tape that he doesn't know how to play corner? You think it because of the positions. I mean that maybe some of his tackle attempts look like it's his first game. Oh, his tackling is driving, And I get it. I get it. I get the athleticism in the size and betton On, as Jerry would say, betton On, the come if you're gonna do that in the second round, God, that's just that's early to me. I'm not saying it won't happen. Thanks,

probably right, it probably will. I wouldn't want it to be my team. Okay, so we're at fifty four, right, Yeah, when you're six two and thirty three in jarms as a corner and you run four four zero, you're just you're gonna go high. Yes, that's kind of the rules. Absolutely. Uh see IERF. Smith to the Patriots. Wow, oh you almost made it. Almost made it? Okay, Now let's ask about that real quick. Tight end is a position would you have considered with the safeties all being gone? Would

you have considered a tight end at fifty eight? Or is that too rich for you? Guys? IRV Smith almost made it to you there, and that was to me a high second round kind of a guy. Right, all right, I know that drafts are about three years and not one, but I'm going to break that golden rule and say, what's the tight end doing on this team in twenty nineteen? Fair question? The thing that you you just don't trust the coaches. No, you don't trust the coaches to use

the second round tight end. That's that's your issue. Right? Is he taking Jason Witten off the field? Probably not? Is he gonna know more about the ins and outs of the offense than the two guys that have been here longer? Than that. With this way, you don't get a draft to tight end at all with that attitude. Basically, yeah, selling Dad, what if Hawkinson makes Hawkinson makes it, and then we can talk, all right, Well, Smith, he's one of the youngest players in this draft. He didn't turned

twenty one until like August. We drafted Jason Witten when he was twenty one years old. You know what I don't want to do in third round by the don't want to be sitting in the press box in Gillette Stadium in November writing a story about how IRV Smith is inactive because they don't have the spare him. Instead, instead he's going to the Patriots. You can be right about fine, are you writing about how he had two hundred yards? That's fine? But that just I know it

goes against the cardinal rule of drafting. But just worry about that later when Jason Witten has retired, whether and Hale maybe he'll play another year, but like, just stop, just worry about that when the time. So if Jason Witten was not on this team, you would be if Jason Witten, yeah, he would be inclined to take Smith. I'd be thrilled to do so. Okay, because I would pencil him in. But they tell us that that he that Jason Witten is not going to be a roadblock

to them drafting a tight end. So you don't believe them in that. No, they like their answer. I don't have it the quote written down verbatim, but like at their pre draft press conference, like they were kind of like, yeah, Jason Witten helped us alleviate some of that concern. Like they feel fine about that right now. And you know what, that's cool because next year Jarwin will still be here,

Schultzi still be here. You could sign a free agent to be your band aid if you want to, and then you can use the first round pick on a tight end. That's that's what I want to do. Who were the next tight ends at I? Because that's what we want? Yeah, whoever? Whoever did I? And when we get now these two grab those guys. They have a good idea. Who about those tight ends? Okay, we're at fifty fifty seven Philadelphia to pick before Okay, the Philadelphia

Eagles are on the client. This is always in. Philadelphia has had two picks, right. There's there's teams who had multiple picks in front of Dallas. The Houston Texans have multiple picks Philly, and Philly has multiple picks. Here at fifty seven, they're going Joe one, Williams corner another. Yea, they say, I just I don't want Brian to be happy. That's pretty much it. Okay, Yeah, Brian's just too obsessed with this guy. He went at fifty seven to Philadelphia

one pick ahead. How is that? How is that? Because I was gonna I was gonna fight for him at fifty eight when it got there, I was gonna ask, why are we not drafting him too? Honestly, I would I would do that for whatever it's w Would you be in for Williams at fifty eight? Okay, we're gonna have to go to the other name. We're about to have a disc likely, I would say, no, Okay, I don't I know the answer to this question. But you wanted that attorney. You wanted that long tall corner from Houston,

who I didn't know. He didn't Okay, So you have something against the long tall corners. Uh. Not, necessarily, It depends on who they are. The long tall corner like over six four, how many of those are in the league? Getting good one not many sure is that it? And even he I think he was six zo two, like seven or something. He ran four or five five though the same as what Williams run. Would this be the

first six four it's ever been good? I don't know if Browner was six four, but he was pretty You might have been six three Joe one six h three five, so he's pretty close. He just looks like a man out there playing. Saw that and then you say that, You say the Georgia game, and I'll go, okay, everybody's had one game with a The Georgia Game shows exactly why you like him, exactly why he should scare you because he got beat in that game. But there are also plays where he made some plays. So he's a

guy that There's gonna be ups and downs. It's gonna be a roller coaster with Joe one william Once a receiver gains a step, it's over, but he doesn't let you get off the line. If he if he wins in press and his jam technique is right, he will win. It's a big if. I think we have gone way too far with corners. We think corners got to be six foot three, while we now have receivers that are now six foot they're not six four anymore. We're done

chasing after every six foot four receiver. We're not draft all the separators, but our corners are going to be out here to fight Plexico Buris. Yeah, yeah, thanks. It's usually how the NFL works. The offenses do something, the defense is trying to catch up, and a lot of defense. Let's see if your mind changes now with the guys that we're going to have on our board, because we're on the clock now right, we're on the clock, us bunting make it no, no, he way gone early. Yeah.

Really here at fifty eight, and we're taking into consideration who the cowboys who they like realistic possibilities here, it's looking like two players really ending out. Tristan Hill, defensive tackle from UCF N Ferguson are stiff pass rusher from Louisiana Tech. Okay, pass who's calling to somebody? Okay, we gotta stand in there and make a pick. We gotta call somebody. No, we gotta stand in there and make a pick. Oh, it's so rich for both of them. See,

this is what happens. Though. We were talking about moving Yeah, I mean we're we were we were dying because we didn't want to give up a third round pick me. And then all of a sudden, now this is what you're you're you're looking at. I know, I know a name that visited the Cowboys that hasn't been drafted. Please save me Debo. Oh it's Debo available, tebos available. I would run it available, I'd run it in. I don't think the Cowboys would. I am the king of the

drum beaters for Debo. That's why I brought it up. But I just think you're crazy to intentionally leave the best player on your board. And maybe he's not for them, but for me. That wouldn't be close between those three. But when I pull them Okay, if we're talking about them though, that's we're talking about this. So this mock draft, I don't have to actually put my name on it like Jeff did this. It's this what the Cowboys would do. This is what this is what this is. Okay, we

just got wiped out. We just got wiped out. I'm celebrating. I got Debot. I had the best raft. Okay, you were going into this DRAFTS fifty eight all the way thinking about Debo. I'm dreaming of him absolutely deaf for wide receivers. Is embarrassing it well, good route running, tough, surehanded wide receivers. Yes, watch Baker up. Yeah, it's yeah, Okay, I'm with you. I I would love it. I don't

I really. I'll be showing they're not taking a wide receiver at fifty eight, I'll be shocked if it's anything other than a defender. They're holding out hope for a safety and they will settle for a defensive line. Okay, that can break again if you want. Yeah, well you get yeah, I mean you get steal it if you want to. For bringing a reason to the table. But okay, so we're we're not going to take a wide receiver because our three starters, we feel like, are pretty intrenched.

But we will take like I think where this is gonna leads to us taking Jay when Ferguson to go back up DeMarcus Lawrence and Robert Quinn. We're gonna intentionally take an inferior player so that he can take twenty percent of the steps. What's wrong with what's wrong with Hills? Gonna say, Triston Hill, He's right there? Do you trust you trust Collins? No? Okay, you ask me right now, who the pick will be for the Cowboys in you know, seventy two hours. I think it'll be Tristan Hill. I

think he is the most real. Wasn't hated at least I'm the second round. He's a good player. I wouldn't hate it, No, I would hate leaving a better player on the board. Like for me, Triston Hill would probably be a top sixty five player and Deebo Samuel will be a top thirty five player. Okay, so to me, that's a terrible pick, but that's my ranking of players right leaving future offensive rookie of the you're Ebo Samuel

out of it. Let's okay, let's if we're going to assume that Ferguson and Hill are two realistic options, who will be there? Break that? Break that choice down for me, like I got I got one Ferguson at sixty six on my board, a top one hundred. Honestly, you got him, you got him stack, I got him touch. I mean, so forget how you got him graded. But at fifty eight you should have ten twelve better players. Tell me

what they're gonna do? Oh, I mean, I yeah, I mean, I'm just talking about what they I mean, I'm talking about what they would do, you know, and they'll tell us on They'll tell us on Friday Night that they had Ferguson ranked thirty fifth. So I don't even worry about that. Yeah, tell me what they would do for the Cowboys? What What would Jayleen Ferguson do? What would

Tristan Hill? Do? You got that one, scout? Jayleen Ferguson's gonna be competing against Dorn's Armstrong, Taco Charlton, and Tyrone Crawford to just get on the field right as a rookie, and Triston Hill will rotate with Mollie Collins at the three. So you're telling me Triston Hill has a bigger chance to make an impact right away. That's right, I think. I think so. Yeah, even though he's a young player who didn't start last year because he buttered heads with

the coaches. That's why you bring in a guy like this here and there here and talk about alcohol there and two stuff like that. There's a lot of talk about just being a young guy. Sounds like me and Alan high school in two thousand and two. Sounds like right now, sitting on this set, problem with coaches anymore. He's he's a young guy who just he's got some immature tendencies and everything that comes with that, you know, on and off the field. And so how does that

play in this locker room? You know? Is that something you have to worry about? Is is this locker rooms and the coaching staff set up that you can take a guy like that under your wing and who will perform for you? I think it is in a lot of ways. Um, Tristan Hill for me is my ninety first player. Not as high as others, yeah, but so much with his next level projection is potential because there's a lot of flash on his tape, the effort outstanding.

The guy's got a great motor consistency up and down again. A guy that A big part of why I have him ranked the way I do is he didn't start because he couldn't get along with the coaches. That that

bothers me. So you you read flagged him more because the ranking because of the coaching or we're well, yeah, if I do, I could trust them one hundred percent, you know, be you talking about football character, he'd be high on my boy, He's not making me feel any better, is he well, no, you've lost all our guys and now you won't let me take the good one. Okay, we're in a weird spot here. If we draft Ferguson, could we move Tyrone Crawford back inside and maybe you

address your defensive tackle problem that way? All right? Is he not good enough to be worth there's a better NFL three technique today, Tyrone Crawford or Tristan Hill. We've seen Crawford question. Because if the answer is Crawford, then the answer to his question is yes, we could totally do it if you're gonna bring in an end and then it's just which one's the better player because we can make it work either way. It's tough man, and that's like, maybe these aren't the two names, but this

is the scenario that's going to face them. Is like making the best out of unideal circumstance. Did they have one of us in their dave? They do somebody in They're representing the crowd. As hard as you've been, as hard as you've been trying. They're not gonna let you no WI room. Well, not us us, but will someone in that room Brian fight for a receiver if he's the highest graded player. They're just not going to do it.

I think it was a very possible scenario where on their board they've got those guys ranked similar talking about d both on some of the receivers, talking about the defensive linemen, we're talking about Jalen Fergus and Triston Hill, So they see those as equal. It's not one being clearly better than the others. They're equal. And for this team, they need defensive line more than they need receiver right now.

And that's why I think they'd go with one of these two defensive linemen we're talking about over the receiver best available player with me, right right, Yeah, I need another good receiver, and I know you do, all right, What's what about the situation. I think they need to tackle more than they need the end because I think they're gonna leave Crawford a defensive end, and I think they're gonna ask I think they're gonna ask Armstrong to play.

I think they want Tacco to try and develop, you know, so to me, I'm looking for a backup three technique under tackle. Turn in the card. Triston Hill. Triston Hill, defensive tackle from Central Florida, will be our pick there, Vinah is walking off the set. That's cool. I got a receiver for ninety. You have to prepare yourself for these types of situations. This is when you're picking fifty eighth in the draft. This is what you're looking at. Okay,

let's reevaluate where we're at though. Should we have gone up should we have gone up here? Or do you feel good enough about the player? Let's wait till see then we'll have a better idea. Okay, Um, So, okay, we'll get through the second round. Third round started the third round. Jay Sternberger's off the board. A Mony Hooker who's a safety that we safety from Iowa. We didn't really talk about really good players because this team hasn't

shown any interest in a Mony hooker. Yeah, but you know he's a guy too that he could play that box safety though he could play down. He's physical, he tackles well. A Mony hooker. Absolutely, Ronell Rent off the board. Okay, the kind of the raw which defensive tackle from Arizona State.

If we're great player all the way, if we're gonna make the case to draft Hill at fifty eight, like that's the type of guy you were hoping to be there at ninety if you didn't draft the defensive tackle, right, clearly that didn't happen, right, So, and this is where that third round, especially as we're gonn see some of these tight ends off the board. Dawson Knox Okay, off the board? Wait is real? Okay? How did you like Dawson Knox? I like his potential at fifty eight? No?

Thank you? No, no, we're we're we're moving down. Okay, you didn't want drafting at fifty eight. We're moving down the board here. Yeah, even if he made it to ninety, I'd be hard pressed to think he would be my best player. Okay, I'd love him at ninety. I just think in that point. I think the Cowboys would love him at ninety. That's kind of where I've been thinking, right, don't Yeah, he's gone obviously here. So he literally has not caught a touchdown since his junior year of high

school of high school? What yeah, what, but he's gonna dominate the league. He can run fast, Kittle right in our guy from Guy been on trades, been on trades. Okay. This is also where we see some running backs off the board. Miles Sanders, Damien Harris gone gone, David Montgomery gone. Okay, so we lost three running backs right there. David Montgomery, who the Cowboys are enamored with. Sanders is my second best running back, by the way, Penn State. One of

your favorites linebacker Jermaine Pratt off the board. Pratt in North Carolina State. If you haven't had a chance to watch Pratt, watch him play. That guy's man. He is good. I like his toughness, like his body. He was a converted safety, if I'm not mistaken, safety until his junior years year and they moved him and they moved him inside and physical. Love everything about him. Andy Pounds good player, right um. A couple of receivers off the board here,

Terry McLaurin, Riley Ridley. Another running back, Devin Singletary. Man. Okay, Singletary, can't say something real quick about him? Where were we? Where were we talking about Singletary before he had the terrible workout. I had him in the third round and I didn't move him, not one bit, because I do

not care about running back workouts at all. Okay, but you didn't like the tape enough, you didn't think he was Probably I thought we maybe that brought us had him in the top forty back before the Yeah, I thought he was more like more like a potentially a second round type of Did you let the workout move him? You know what I did? Yeah? Yeah, I think you had to. I mean to me, but that's one of those things here. I am fighting for holy Field. About that?

Fighting for holy Field? You like, fighting for Holyfield because of the tape is good? Yeah? Yeah? Like yeah, way to just completely expose yourself. No, No, I love the slowest running back in the world because of his tape, and you just felt like I felt like Holyfield was just a tougher back. I was willing to fight for a guy that was more of a complete player. That's why I mean, I'm okay. How about guys that could run, block, catch? Okay,

that's the thing with Singletary. You know, if you see the catch part, I mean, the block part's not very good. I think running back is the most trust the tape position in football. It is I can burn the workout, don't care. I've seen him run if you have. If you have an average workout, I'm okay with that as

running back. If you have a below average workout, that's where I start to care if you running back and it's not just a forty the four to six six stands out, but seven three, two three cone, the four four or short shuttle. Those things bother me. And not enough where you're gonna fallow on my top one hundred, but enough that you know Darryl Henderson's ahead of him, and uh, you know, making sure some of these other running backs that I feel better about or ahead of

him in the rankings. Okay, uh so we lost him here. Yeah, we have David long Corner from Michigan off the board. Okay, what pick are we at right now? Eighty seven? Okay, we're eighty seven. We're creeping up here. We're creeping up. We're at ninety. We're not trading. Uh, we're not giving up picks to move two spots in the lake. You just gonna sit in and let this thing go right, all right, we're going let's go eighty eight. Michael Dieter

offensive Lineman, Wisconsin. Kind of an indifferent guy, you know when you watch him play, kind of like you want to like him, but you don't. Jeez. Yeah, basically, can you get away he's indifferent or you're indifferent to him. I'm indifferent to him. Okay, Never, I was gonna say the worst thing you can say about a player is that he's indifferent. No, there's a there's a worst word you can use them. That's true. I don't say it

on the air. I won't. All right, So the pick before the Cowboys at eighty nine, this hurts a little bit. Max Crosby, Eastern Michigan. Do you like Max Crosby better than Jalen Ferguson? Oh? Wo yeah, say it with your chest. Yet my dns are here to rush the passer. Did you kind of think he was all arms? Lad? Jalen has the most sax in college. I'm talking about Max Crosby because literally three cone, literally more sacks than anybody in NCAA history. I am enamored with the Max Crosby.

I think the Cowboys are too. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I think the Cowboys are too And I think ninety is where you would take a swing on it, because I think at that point you say, okay, so even if he's not a significant rotation player this year, if I have a year of working with an NFL team to get ready to play NFL football with that athleticism, in that build. I got something in five years. I wouldn't be surprised at all. If Max Crosby's a better player

than Jalen Ferguson, that shouldn't surprise anybody. We're six weeks. In five years, he'll be on his second contract. So we'll be talking you. I'll be at the lake. You guys can talk about all that you keep saying, yell and boiling crawfish. But think about this. In five years, he's walking away after his first contract. You're getting back a third round cop pick. There you go, he signed h that's the way to do it. Okay, So we lose Crosby. The Cowboys liked him. That could have been

a consideration. Now Dallas is on the clock. At Dallas, what do we got? Okay? And this it's looking like a lot of offensive players here, uh lining up on this board. Top players that this team has shown interest in. Treveon Williams crying back from Texas and m Yes McCole hardman, wide receiver from Georgia. Hey we're doing uh kal A wearing tight end San Diego State. That's good too. Uh Anthony Nelson defensive end Iowa. Yeah, still there Jeff's happy

this time. Let's see if they're spaking a better player at ninety This is great, So you do well, it will stop you. Do you feel better? Are about this list of guys? Did you do? Didn't you do? Yeah? In what? In what way? I think McCole Hardman impacts your team immediately? Wide receiver, a little short guy. Yeah, I think he returns kickoffs and punts for you immediately and when you want to put him on the field

in the slot. Sure, he's not going to be a polished route runner yet, but teams are gonna know he's out there. They're gonna account for him, or he's gonna be running real far, real fast. You just described Tavon Austin. Yeah, but I described one that's real cheap for the next four years. Will he ever be better than what Tavon Austin is right now? Yeah? I would bet on that. Do you do you use Dave's tied end theory? Will they use him the right way? Um? I hate to

see according to that though. You no, No, But I'm just saying you're not running the team here. That's the problem here. I am too, Anthony Brown, Michael Gallup, he did fight for those guys. I I just I have to think about the construct of what is actually gonna happen when I think about these Okay, so, is Helen Moore going to have a big piece of control of the offense or know who the hell knows? I think

if the answers, yes, I think he is. I think Killen Moore is gonna have a big stick in this offense. I really, I hope you're right. I really do. Yeah, I mean, I mean, we get really Garrett Troll's last year. I mean, let's Garrett wants to step in there and control the offense and what you might if it's your last year. Yeah. I hate the word unpolished like I hate it. I hate I hate using a premium pick on a guy that you gotta teach. We're in the third round at the end of it, Dave pick ninety

is that premium pick. Top one hundred picks are supposed to be immediate serious contributors, right, made me have to do it. It's McCole Hardman. Is mcole Hardman going to like, you're just drop dead shirt? He's gonna beat out basically Tavon Austin or any other receiver who's been here for three years. Yeah, because that's how draft picks work. They get to win the camp battle, whether they win it or not. Like what were the other names? Kle Warring?

I love him, but that's developmental. What's he gonna do? He's gonna watch people play football. He scares the hell out of me. Anthony Nelson, Anthony Nelson, what's he gonna do? Us? I think they're all good players. The Cowboys have a good team. There's not a bunch of spots available for the guy who's picked ninetieth to come play a bunch of snaps. Okay, good, didn't you didn't you set you set me up for my logic for this? Then? Okay, Dan, say the next name? Uh? What's the next name? The

first one you said? Tray Van Williams. Tray Beyond Williams running back, running backs or later they're running backs? Not when you only have one on your roster, they're not. We'll find another one where we got more picks. I don't know. I'll take the Notre Dame kid later, Dexter Williams. See, yeah, he likes, he likes he's been cheerleading for that guy. I like him. I like him too, just tape. He's a solid fourth runner for me. Yeah, we'll fill running

back later. It's not a problem. They're looking for a guy who can do everything right off the bat, right, Yeah, third down back, a third down back who could be a everything back if he was called upon any down back. They sound kind of scared about not having Zeke in the lineup, didn't you kind of? Don't you kind of get that impression? Oh no, I got that impression a lot. Not that, and like I got the impression they like

Williams and Montgomery, and Montgomery's already gone. Yeah. You know, if they had to pick a guy, he's pretty polished, right, isn't he. Yeah, he's good. Yeah, he led the SEC in rushing last year. Um, I mean he LSU defense, the NC State defense that could do nothing against him. You're picking at ninety, you're picking how many spots away from them. Let me sit next to Jerry. I'll get

McCole Harman picked. That's a sexy pick. I would I give me Williams over Hardman if that's the choice, and I would consider I would consider wearing over even Hardman, the San Diego State kid. Can we agree that I've got all his third rounders, but I would go Hardman. Can we agree that in a perfect world, neither of these guys is gonna do a ton in their rookie See, yeah, a perfect world, Trayvind Williams doesn't do much at all, exactly,

but it'd be great. But yeah, but it's easier to put a rookie running back into these schemes and have them have production. Well, you, thank you answered what I was trying to set up, which is that Trevion Williams. I look at him as a plug and play. I do absolutely too, Nicole Hardman. I look at as a project and a guy. And again, I know you want to. You can't disassociate this. The coaches will trust Tavon Austin

more than they trust this third round rookie. Then why did they bring in the Tavon clone If we're gonna get to ninety and he's not in consideration? They brought in Devo Williams too, and we passed Samuel Devo Williams. I'm sorry, Deebo Samuel. They due diligence, I mean, and honestly, they did a lot of due diligence on receivers. They did not well, they do due diligence on everybody. Well, no, but like the thirty list, how many receivers were on There was like four or yeah, I think so, and

two running backs. Yeah, they're doing due diligence. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Hardman was the pick, just based on everything we know. I think Trevion Williams does more for your team and in the future. I honestly, I think enough of Trevion Williams that he's a bargaining chip in this contract negotiation with Zeke. Elliott too brought in Samuel Hardman, John V. Johnson, h Emmanuel Halle where else. We got john By Johnson from Toledo and that's it.

Let's take a vote. There's for him us here Harken okay, brought us Williams all day, Williams all day. I would have gone Anthony Nelson myself. Dan Dane hates the running back pick. No, I'm going we just didn't want to tie. No. Two years ago when uh they went corner corner second third round. Okay, I'm going defensive line, second third round. I'm getting Tristan Hill, going Anthony Nelson. All of a sudden, my defensive lines looking stacked. Anthony Nelson's a good player.

He's a good player. Absolutely. I can get a really good three cone too, didn't he especially from his height? Yeah? Yeah, seven flat, give or take. Yeah. I would be perfectly happy to draft him. I'll be okay with him. But Dragon Williams is the pick running back who comes in and is Zeke's backup from day one, which, yes, that's a rich pick, but it accomplishes, strictly speaking, your biggest need on the roster. I know, I mean, it's not because Zeke is so good, but you just you know,

you're saying, we're playing a game tomorrow. What do we have to have? You need more running backs on your roster. And he's a guy like he could be a backup, he could be a third down back, he could carry the ball twenty times if Zeke is unavailable for whatever reason I think, I mean, and again, it's basically a fourth round pick. That's how you have to view it. Gotcham perfectly fine with that, I am too. All right, let's reset here for a second. We are the Draft

show is here at Shakerton's. We're always as always, presented by Miller Way We appreciate everybody it's here hanging out with us today and right now, what we're doing is we're going through the Cowboys the seven round mock draft. We're trying to get an idea of what players will be there and have a discussion. So when we get on the clock on really Friday and Saturday messing up. I keep saying Thursday unless he trades back, in which I don't think he'll do. You never know, bro, I

never know. I think about Thursday ratings, pretend they might exactly exactly. But yes, again, we're so happy that Miller lights along with us today and really happy that Shakerson stepped up as well. Okay, now we're moving this thing on. Now we're moving into the fourth round. We've got two picks, right, We've got two picks here. We got to think about, well, again, we didn't move either one of these picks because we're

seeing who what players we feel like we have. They've put out earlier that there's need if you look into the future contracts that are coming up depth all those issues. So we've we've saved these two picks and now we need to find a way to make him. So let's go through it right now, Dane. These are gonna be picks four one twenty nine and four one thirty seven, so they're really right there behind each other. The one you're one up, it's eight to one thirties six. Yeah,

is that what it is? Yes? I mean they're late day and they're late fourth round picks. Okay, my bad one, Okay, my bad one twenty eight, one thirty six, Okay, you got it. Go ahead. So this is where and we won't go through all the fourth round picks, but we talked about running back at ninety. If we don't go running back at ninety, that's a direction we go on Day three. Here in the fourth round, two picks before one twenty eight off the board, rich Well Armstead and

Dexter Williams uh did not make it to one twenty eight. Okay, so we lost your guy, Dexter Williams. It's clearly a fantasy land. He was gonna make it till we picked it back, and he wanted to prove a point o kiddy, Dan, Dane can manipulate boards, but I don't. I don't know if you manipulated it that they're going by guy on purpose jerk one twenty eight, and again, this is what we think they are gonna do. Realistic, realistically speaking, one

twenty eight comes up. We've gone what we've gone defensive tackle, a three technique, we've gone running back here in one twenty eight. So we're looking at what we're looking at. Corner, corner, we're looking at safety, We're looking at possibly receiver, offensive line, depth, linebacker. We're pretty open. Yeah, yeah at this point, are you're gonna find a safety that you have any faith? Is

an upgrade from the Jeff Heath George I Loca Camp battle. Well, because you'd like to if you could, well, yeah, yeah, you definitely like to. But with most of these guys off the board, with my top ten safeties are off the board, first six safeties were offed or yeah, first six safeties were off the board in the second round, and then we lost the money Hooker, we lost Mike Edwards, we lost malt Gant. So here we go outside the

top ten safeties in the draft. The one guy that stands out as Ghari willis for Michigan State who they brought in, and I worry about his range. I worry about him holding up if you ask him to cover but again, this team brought him in. This team wants more of that box safety. A guy is gonna come down and hit you. He has that, he has the intangibles that fits perfectly with what they want. Ghari Willis from Michigan State is interesting name here, Jeff, Do you

like Willis at this spot at four when we say four? Don't? I could be wrong. I don't think he's better than either one of what you have? Okay, that does I mean based on everything I know that does sound a little bit rich, But again, I mean you have to consider the team's evaluations, trump ours right, and for what else is available on the board? Who I mean, who else is? Who else is available? Dan? If we want to go we haven't addressed defensive end. We could go

John Komitski from Oh, Bounce House. Yeah, you're way too excited about a guy from Charles that was the Bounce House, right, Yeah? Well, actually it's Alie Moore Pett from House Charleston built their neighbor there's in the neighborhood. There's more people listening to this show than have ever watched him play football. Okay, well those people think for Shawn Gary, he's gonna go in the top fifteen because he's so maybe not. This guy is the budget version. He's two eighty and he's

a heck of an athlete. He is a heck of an and you see what you turn him into. Okay, take a shot. I've cast my vote. That's a at this point. Now, okay, we'll talk. Okay, we'll then describe give me, give me the thumbnail on Kamensky. Then Kimiski's a high school quarterback who you know, he knew he was not going to be a quarterback in college. He's

kind of the best athlete out there. And he was a big guy, only two hundred and ten pounds when he went to Charleston on a partial scholarship Division two. They moved into defensive end and he kind of blossomed. He's up to two eighty six, a guy who is a terrific athlete at two eighty six, four six nine in the forty one six seven ten yards split seven

oh three three cones, terrific for him. So this is a guy that's talking about the traits uh six five, two eighty six, thirty three and a half inch arms, flashes violence in his hands, competes the tape wasn't really strong, but it was. You know, when you watch a guy in Division two, you expect to just dominate the competition. I don't think we saw that. But again, when you factor in the traits and what you can try to mold someone into, that's what you get with Commenska. Really

balanced athlete can help you as a rundefender. It's getting need some time as a pass rusher. But for this team, the fourth round, the late fourth round, I think that's what you're buying. What is going on with this team this Since Will McClay took over the Cowboys draft, they have been the king of the big school prospect and true the pass rushers that they are enamored with in twenty nineteen went to Louisiana Tech, Eastern Michigan, Central Florida,

and Charleston. Probably because of where you're picking. If you wanted to have a guy who has good production, good measurables, and played at a big school, you don't get to have him at fifty eight most likely. That is a very good point. And even in that case, like maybe can I drop a world where chasing Winovich makes fifty eight sure possible? And I don't even know if the Cowboys would pick him. A lot of people don't like Chase Winovich. I do. I know. I'm a big fan,

and I don't think he makes fifty eight. Yeah, you think he goes well before that, right? I do? He could go easily. I mean he nothing nowhere in the second round or third round. Was surprised me with Chase Winovich because opinions are all over the map on him. Um, I think you know you love the effort that he gives. He says, okay, athlete, not a great athlete, not a bad athlete, but he's he's a good athlete. The some

of the character stuff is a worry with him. He rubbed some people the wrong way, that kind of thing, and that's gonna drop him. Not everyone's gonna like him because of that, But anywhere in the second and third round, because he plays the right position. Is it true he came back his senior year to Michigan to be a captain and beat Ohio State and all that, and none of that, None of that happened. It was not voted as senior captain. I've talked to former teammates who are

not Chase Winovich fans. So, and that's something that scouts are well aware of and that plays in a war room. You know, when you're trying to stack your board and figure out to order, these guys are gonna come off the board. That's the kind of stuff that can win battles. Uh, you know, anecdotes like that. Getting back to the matter at hand, I'm I'm curious. I'm curious about this, Okay, Cary willis Michigan State's safety. He doesn't improve your safety

position like right away, Like he ain't. He's not starting over Iloka or Heath probably, but and like I mean, obviously you want your picks to be home runs. But I'm again going back to just the nuts and bolts of roster building. Cavon Frazier's in a contract year, Jeff

Heath is in a contract year. Like, do you draft this guy simply in the name of having a body and worry about the fact that he might not ever go to a Pro Bowl for you later or But at the same time, even though we went to a small school, if Kaminski's got these amazing traits that y'all are talking about, I love the idea of drafting a guy like that late in the fourth round, because I mean,

what else are you looking at in that range? So I'm wondering Boomer bust player verse, a guy who could be your Cavon Frasier for the next four years, And like, don't kid yourself. Those players are important too. Cavon's had a role on this team every year of his career, and if you don't bring him back next year, you got to replace that production somewhere. Let's factor it like this. We have a pick here and eat picks in the fourth round, So sure take those are the two players

are talking about, Khari Willis and John Kimiski. Let's take the player that we don't think is gonna make it to one thirty six. Would take him at one twenty eight and hope the other guy falls, so is Kaminski. You know, the the upside pick, the traits pick, is that the guy that we're thinking might not make it to one thirty six. Yeah, I think that to me, I have problems with Kimensky. I just didn't see a

guy that dominate at that level. You know. I saw a guy that played tall and you know, yeah, you could play him. He's got the flexibility. You know, we I talked about and when with the first mock drafts we did for our magazine, I did. I picked Zach Allen because I felt like Zach Allen could play defensive end and he could play defensive tack. I feel like John Komiskey could probably do the same thing, but I don't think he could do it on the level that I want him to do that out right, Yeah, I

worry about again. I'm watching you know, there still a line from KT I'm watching a butcher block him, you know, and uh, you know, when I play in the IVY League gets a pharmacist and all that. But yeah, I'm I mean, Shephard College or University in Finley, and these guys are blocking him, and I'm kind of like, man, why why why are everybody liking this guy so much? I would have a problem with this pick. I would have to go with the consensus of the room because I am not a fan of this guy. I Wis.

I like Willis. I would if you gave me a choice between him and Willis, I'd take Willis. But I understand what you know, Jeff was. I mean, he's lost guys earlier. You know, we're we're kind of you know, talking about guys that that you know, we liked and we've taken, but this would be a guy that I wouldn't be happy with. But if three scouts told me or the room told me, no, this guy's a player, I would allow that to happen. Okay, But going back to what I said about who's gonna make it the

one thirty six? Do we this this this guy? We got him at one, twenty four, twenty eight. He is probably gonna go into third round. And this is this is and don't be surprised when you're watching the draft and all of a sudden and I'm like, okay, the Buccaneers are on the clock and three ninety five to the Buccaneers, and we're all gonna look at each other and go, okay, just mark that on is moving on?

You know, happen about I think the league sees this guy differently than me, and I think you guys might be right about the player, But man, I have a problem with a guy that doesn't dominate at that level. You're not wrong, that is that is a big issue for me. And if we're gonna take that guy, I'm gonna let I'm gonna let somebody else be the hero here, Jeff, We've been upsetting you all night. So what do you want to do? Take Charleston, there's commits, right, Okay, But

I don't know if Willis makes the team. I mean, no, are you cutting cav On Frasier, Georgia A. Loca? You're not cutting Iloca unless you draft a guy like Thornhill. All the safety talk is really about cave On Frasier, by the way, guys, right exactly you think about it? No? For sure? Well, and but can't George Iloka take his spot? He might not purely from again, Georgia, I looka is not the most nimble guy you've ever seen. He could tackle all day. Also, carry Willis is the nimble guy.

George Iloca is not playing. Carry Willis has got at least some range. I don't know if Georgia A. Looca has a lot of range range to do what like? You wouldn't want him covering? He plays like as a free safety. I mean you see, yeah, he comes forward, all right. They brought him in. They brought him in. Let's not unurely the Boston college kid that they brought in the other Harris, Yeah, Will Harris, how'd you like Will Harris. You remember Will harder than Willis. Okay, listen,

let's all just agree. If pick fifty eight isn't the safety, then the safety position is not going to significantly be better. There's no there's no reason to draft one then, right, is that what you're saying. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying, like, give up on that dream. Like if they don't, if they don't get a Rap or an Abram or a thorn Hill, then it's probably not going to substantially improve this season. If I had to get hey, we need to trade up, then maybe should

Maybe I shouldn't have been a coward. We do need to go back and get brave. Yeah, I rewind this whole Now you have. Now you have Zeke's all around badass backup in his place. Yeah. I mean I cut you off earlier. But now that we know what ninety is, it's you know, are Tristan Hill and trey Vin Williams. That's not a bad draft one of these safeties. Yeah, would have I'd rather have Rap. I think I would too. But could sell Could I sell you? Okay? So can

I sell you? Well? Again? All right? So you have Taylor rap and then or well, no, that Taylor rap and then Justice Hill or Dexter Williams. Yeah, I would take Yeah, Yeah, rapping Dexter Williams makes me feel a lot better than what we ended up with. I could live with that. I could live with that. I feel fine. We're all anti trading now, we're all on that. It's because I don't like John Kimiski. That's why. No, I'm fine with what we've done. We all got guys we

don't like. That's the way it's gonna go. We don't all get our guys. When you don't have a first round pick and you're picking at the end of the round, you're probably not going to be that thrilled unless something crazy. Let's six, Well who did we take on one twenty eight? John Kimsky? Yeah, all right, Well car Harry Willis is still there at one thirty six. So who else we got? Uh? Bobbio Karki the linebacker that's from Stanford. Yea Dylan Mitchell

wide receiver from Oregon. Hey, oh that every wide receiver. He's lying. He's lit up about every wide receiver we've talked about. Yeah, I could I would have taken three. Are you buy that we'll be running six? Why why do you? Yeah, Like, why do you want a wide receiver so bad? Uh? Because they're good? Randall CoP's gonna be here for one year. Then I want Deebo Samuel.

I'm about to pay the quarterback thirty million dollars a year, and I need to give him all the weapons in the world if I want him to be able good quarterbacks. You're you're preaching to the choir. No, well, it's funny. I would take a receiver who can make a difference right away. But like, keep these projects away from me. It's not a project. It's just a waiting gay which you get away to year. That's what you call a project because they're not ready right away. No, no, no,

they're ready. There's just something in their way. Were you thinking about Williste thirty six? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it's I think that's where this team is going to be looking at him. I don't know if they trust him getting the one five, one sixty five. Um Cole Holcomb, the linebacker of the North Carolina is out there. See this is this is the fun part for me. Like, I mean, I'm part of this and I watch and pay attention. But I haven't watched five hundred players the

way that y'all have. And now, on the eve of the draft, y'all have to reconcile the fact that the team's board is not the same as your board, you know, I mean, and that's a that's a frustrating Hey, Taco Charlton, right, I mean exactly, We're back in that conversation, which we can do all the preparation we want, but at the end of the day, they've got their own. So do we just give them Willis here because we think it's realistic because I have Hulcomb ahead of Willis, and I

don't like hulkm either. I have Willis in the six or seventh rows. If you look at if you look at the safeties that they visited, if you want to play this game, it's either Harris or Willis at this point, whoever you have rated better, it's likely I mean, if you whoever you feel better about it. Again, this is us trying to project what they might do, and you're watching the same tape they are, So I mean, you have to figure out now Is And I me personally,

I would take Willis myself. I know that you don't like that at all. But I didn't like Kaminski, so that's I think Willis is the most realistic pick there, to be honest, bring them on, Okay in terms of what this team is gonna do six Okay, have we picked all visits so far? I don't Trevan Williams. I don't think. Okay. Is he not a local guy either? No? No, okay, he's from Houston. I believe they don't stretch the boundary that far for Dallas, so so far, that's a good

that's a good point. Jeff Is and I say this all the time, and I think it's smart, like you want to circle in on the guys that they're interested in. But every single year the draft never falls that way. Like we're doing our best, but it just will not work out this way. And if if three of the five or four of the five picks are thirty visits, I'll be pretty surprised. Especially it's usually two. You've done this study though before. Usually it's it one to two.

The focus is in the top, like the focus is in the Obviously they don't have a first round, but the focus is first, second, and usually even the third. But again once you get down toward the sixties, seventies and beyond, and you're at the mercy of the board. Okay, just to reset here from Shakerton's again, the draft show presented by Miller lite Tristan Hill, who we selected at

two fifty eight, the defensive tackle from Central Florida. At three ninety we went Trevion Williams, the running back from Texas A and M At four one twenty eight we went John Kaminsky, the defensive end from Charlestown, And at four one thirty six we went Cary Willis, the safety from Michigan State. Okay, we don't have a sixth round pick, Am I correct about that? Five one sixty five is left and seven two forty one we've addressed. Seven two

forty one are the picks we have left. Now we've addressed pretty much all of the primary needs right, safety, D tackle, running back D D and d end YEP which d end maybe not a primary need, but that's okay. Okay, with two picks left, is there a position we have to get with those two picks, whether it be corner, whether it be receiver, linebacker. You got a receiver whisper guy,

you'd probably like a corner. I would think with your top four corners, the guys that are the most relevant, two are up after this year and the other two are up after the next year. That's that could be a pretty big need if we have a slot guy, I guess any receiver, because you could kind of move them around. Sure, if there's a receiver, Yeah, I think that works. I don't know if you're gonna find a tackle prospect you like this late, but I think that's relevant. Yeah,

that's that's twenty twenties problem. Okay, we can fix that one later. Yeah. I like what you're talking about with the corner though. I do like that. I mean, it's eric can we get as we go down the board, are we gonna tell me who we're gonna lose, because that's gonna influence me which direction we're gonna go. Chris Westy the Kentucky corner, and we talked about another super tall one. Yeah, he literally is six four six four and a half, but four three seven is the speed there.

They went to Lexington to work him out as well. Uh now four three five three five on the board at six four and a half hundred ninety nine pounds Jeff again, is there a is there a wide receiver you like in that? Is there a wide receiver on our board? And left? Who who's have you got anybody? At that point, um, we can go keeling. Okay, So like renfro or is john V Johnson? John By Johnson was a guy they brought in run yeah, Clito, right,

this Senior Bowl guy Penny Hart available, No, he's gone. Okay, john bya really struck me as more of a seventh round player. But yeah, at this point where at the

mercy of the board. So we got to figure out who's available here and we can try and wait till the seventh round to get because this receiver, this receiver class is so deep that people are gonna be shocked by some of the receivers they go undrafted in this I kind of thought that way last year when Wilson went, When Dallas picked Wilson, Yeah, you know, I was the state receiver. I was shocked by that whole thing. Right, Okay, don't kill me for asking. This is Dax Raymond gone?

But sorry? Yes, at five one sixty four, one pick ahead of the Cowboys to the Indianapolis Colts as a back. Yeah, but who wants him? Jeff does. Jeff asked about him? I did, I mean, I got him in the fifth He can run, but I can't trust him about the Uh. How about the Nebraska kid. There's a few of those, the running back Stanley Morgan. Yeah, I think that'd be a good pick. Now, he's he's not gonna light anybody out with speed. He's not a separation guy. But Stanley

Morgan catches every ball throne his strong possession. I remember watching his tape thinking, my gosh, he doesn't drop the ball. Yep, he's still available to go there and fifth rone. That's the possibility. Do you feel good about you? There were a wide receiver whisper? Do you feel good about that? You feel good about Stanley Morgan coming in here? He can't run a lick, and you might be like some of the guys you've got, I mean, will he did

four or five? Three? Does he beat out? Because right now you've got to beat out Tavon Austin or Noah Brown and Cedric Wilson. Do we feel like that's gonna happen? That's to go, I guess, because you might end up eighth on the depth chart and be a decent player if you're and that's I kind of That's the point I was trying to make earlier is if you're not drafting a clear badass, i'll deebo Samuel. Is it worth throwing another guy into that log jam? No? I mean personally,

I was just asking. I was trying to think of names. I was trying to get some names. Let me ask you. This is sam a sample to tie in from Washington available. No, he was gone, Okay, that dude's gonna go high, like higher than you think we like. We should have picked him at one thirty six or at one twenty. Yeah, it's Deontay Johnson available. No, he along gone, Okay, everyone likes Jontay Johnson. See now we're now we're we're in

a problem here. I think, well, no, I think it comes down to, okay, do we want to go linebacker? Do we want to go corner? We do we go receiver? Um? What are our what are our corners? My preference is probably corner. If I can find a guy that I think is going to make the team, Mark Fields Clemson corner, hamp Chievers, Derek Thomas from Baylor, that's ah, he's got the biggest wingspan of any corner in this draft. Can

you talk about him a little bit? Then place former basketball guy who just had no offers, no interest out of high school, had to go to the academy Milford Academy then ends up getting a like a partial of walk on opportunity. It's at Temple. Uh please to transfer from Temple. Then he came with the coach right well, and he played receiver. Then he moved to corner later on. So and then he moves to Baylor as a graduate transfer plays this year from Matt Roulett Baylor, and he

played well as a starting safety for Baylor. And he's tall, he's long, and he can run. That's that's a good mix right there. Two six two, seven six two and seven eighth four four four speed, The jumps are great, seven one eight three comes respectable for him. So at this point in the draft, I mean, that's that's the type of traits. That's that's a trades pick right there. That is total trades pick. He's an older guy. I mean,

I think he's over twenty four. He's been around a little bit, so upside do worry about a little bit about that. But Brian likes to tell me that Terrence Newman was old. So yeah, and Terence Newman is still playing. I think, yeah, Terence is fifty three now, yeah, exactly, still starting. Derek Thomas would not be a bad pick here. Um, I like him over Westy. Okay, I'm with you on that. I think Western. I'm not a fan of Westy at all. They only have six picks to work with, so who

knows if it works out for him. But I think they want to get Chris Richard a cornerback, just a guy that he can kind of work with, work with and mold. And I mean, we'll see what happens with Byron Jones. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he comes back Barron Jones. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I don't. And I mean it's a long shot to say a fifth round pick is gonna be your replacement for Byron Jones. But you could at least right to find that guy

next year. Yeah, you're probably right. I think we're spending too much time on a fifth round pick. Let's go Derrick Thomas. Derrick Thomas says the guy who's been watching tape of these guys since October. I'm just excited to get the seventh round. There we go. Okay, we're seven. Okay, so far again. Tristan Hill defensive tackle, Central Florida. Trevion Williams running back Texas and NYM. John Kamitsky defensive end tackle h Charleston Cary Willis the safety from Michigan State.

Derrek Thomas the cornerback from Baylor. So far, so we're in the seventh round, seven, two forty one. Right now, this is the point where this is where you draft somebody you don't want to fight for and free agency this is it. When you get to this point, you're thinking, Okay, who can we take that? We thought, oh, maybe this guy can make it to free agency. Uh no, that's not the case. You go and get this guy now. So let's think about who went direction we need to

go in there? Day is our Arkansas linebacker gone green Law? He's available. I heard his name on the radio today by mister Stephen Jones. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yea. If his son scouting for him. Information like green Law. He's just small, Yeah, he's just small. He's your ideal special teamer, right, That's that's what you're getting. Yeah, and whatever he gives you on defense just a plus. Like, if there's some guy out there with really good traits you're gonna swing

on instead, that's fine. But if watching him, the dude is tenacious to him, is at Holloman right from Holcombe holkm excuse me, Holm, Holcomb's gone, Holm's gone. Okay, so so not having that sixth rounder showed there. So yeah, here in the seventh Drake green Law is a good name. Uh you know he's you say he's short. He's five eleven and a half four seventh three. Guy can't get off a block going forward. He'll give ground, but he will get off the block. He ain't gonna play defense anyway, sir,

You never know, you have lots of things happen. Five eleven and a half, two thirty seven on that. My guy as a fighter, No, there's no question about. He's a physical player. I mean I like him. I like him. I think that we watch him play delivers a blow. And again, you know, first of all, we've talked about it already. This team loves the draft linebackers. It's like their favorite thing in the world. And on top of that, you know they they're stacked right now. But Joe Thomas

contract year, Sean Lee contract year. Um, I believe Justin marks Lillar would only signed a one year deal. So I mean you're gonna have some turnover, right obviously, you know Jalen and and vander Esh they're not going anywhere. Your your starters are pretty intrenched. But it always afford to upgrade the devil. And green Law was voted a senior captain. Uh, you know, he's he's a guy that's battled through a lot of adversity within the foster care

system things like that. So I think he's a guy that you're going to look at and say, yeah, got the right attitude. They've got some inside information at Arkansas. I think it makes sense. Okay, So Dre Greenlaw is going to be our pick from Arkansas. He's at pick seven, two forty one. He's a linebacker there, so that completes

our mock draft. Six picks one offensive player, Yeah, six picks one offensive player like once again, Tristan Hill, defensive tackle from Central Florida, Trey Veon Williams, the running back from Texas A and m John Kamitski was the fourth

round pick at one twenty eight. Cary Willis was the pick of the safety from Michigan State at one thirty at four one thirty six, Derek Thomas, the cornerback from Baylor that we all seem to like, at five one sixty five, and then Drey Greenlaw, the linebacker five to eleven and a half linebacker from Arkansas at seven two forty one. We think he's gonna play quite a bit of special teams. Some inside information there for the Cowboys. So all right, that would be our draft. Tristan Hill

and Trayvion Williams or Taylor Rap Taylor Rap. Yeah, I go with a better player. I go Taylor Rapp and then sign and then somebody that's on the streets right now, let's play. I let the tray beon Williams charge. I will own that. But to play Devil's advocate, there's veteran running backs that are out there. Sure, t J Yelden is unsigned as far as hey, is it Gye healthy?

I know he's a free agent. Yeah, I's still with that knee coming off the ACL So so what the What we learned from this though, is that we should be willing if, in fact, Taylor Rap gets close enough to where you can make that move. Go get it where you can, where you can manipulate three ninety and go get him with one Thornhill making it move for Thornhill. I like Rap myself better. Let's say let's say Rap goes thirty six, Thornhill is still there. Ye consider that absolutely,

we can that. I don't play. I don't think I would do it. You'd rather have Tristan Hill and Treyvin Williams or whatever you're going, or whatever direction I get to go. I just think it's I think it's a weird fit, right, Like I know he helps you get turnovers, or he did in college, and he's the better athlete than Rap, and he's bigger. But when I'm putting him with Xavier Woods, I'm trusting you to kind of play

in the alley and make tackles. And watching one Thornhill do that doesn't build a lot of trust as a consistent finisher. No, I think that's fair. If his technique is not sound, then he'll there will be some broken tackles, no question. I think he also gives him some Xavier Woods insurance. Yeah, because if Xavier Woods does not turn out to be you know, locked down, that starting job. Well, then wan Thornhill moves to the free and you're getting

a box safety. So there's some added you know, that versatility there to be an interchangeable guy again is why one Thornhill could be a first round pick. Okay, well so that yeah, well that's interesting. I thought we would just be happy about sitting there and making picks, but we depends but we kind of feel like though that maybe going up might not be a bad thing for this football team. It just depends on how much you have to pay. Yeah, and who's still there. I'm looking

at it, honestly, the free agent running back market. I must not have looked at it in a couple of weeks because it's not as enticing as I remember it being. And I go, maybe you get Dexter Williams in the fourth maybe Justice Hill, but yeah, I get Are you how confident are you if you don't you know, maybe Travion Williams isn't overspend, But if you don't do that, are you confident that a guy you draft later can handle that for you? If something were to be New Yversity,

Colorado that nobody drafted problems. Yeah, I was banging the taible last year for him. Okay, we're gonna take our break. We're actually gonna take a break, believe not. After all that. I appreciate everybody's effort there and hanging out with but take a break. We're gonna come back. I want to get I want to turn the stage over to the questions. I know you got some Twitter on the two stuff, get into that. Try and finish up this show here.

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the Draft show at Shakerton's presented by Miller Lite. Really happy to see everybody that came out today and is hanging out with us. Uh. I've got about forty minutes left in this show, and uh we're going to uh continue on one of my favorite staples that we do every year. Guys. Uh is uh every show is is Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the twenty and so, uh, you know, if we can get my guy David Hellman to venture back onto the stage and not break his ankle. Oh, Dave,

better athletic moves. I've seen better athletic moves. Oh you didn't. You didn't like my vertical, didn't like At Angeles raft. But thank you, Dane, Yeah, thank you very much, sir. But yeah we got we got Twitter on the twenty and uh, I don't know if you have that crazy sounder that we usually use, but maybe not Twitter or Twitter twenty. There you go, So Dave, take it away, take it on the way on the Twitter on the twenty fours. Take well, this is perfect timing from Alex.

I mean, I know we covered this before the break, but I'm curious. So I'm curious if that were to actually happen, and that's he says, would you consider Tristan Hiller reach at fifty eight? I mean, if that's actually where they go, how do you feel about that? If you consider that a reach? I would. I think it's important to consider that. With that draft that we did, we're trying to make it realistic for the Dallas Cowboys as opposed to Hey, what do you think of the

players and who would you pick? Because brought us just told you that Triston Hill was his sixty seventh player, which means, no matter how the draft went, he's got at least eight players left that he would take over. Tristan Hill. Yeah, and I think that's probably where I would have him, somewhere between sixty five and eighty something

like that. Okay, in in that range, right, I mean so yeah, And again it's not just about the talent, it's you have to make sure you're comfortable with the player, the football character and everything that comes with them. So they're doing their due diligence on them, and as long as they're comfortable to character, I fully understand the pick.

If if that's it where they go at fifty eight. Yeah, so I mean I'm I'm okay with it because you know, in talking with Rod Miranelli about the player himself, Rod really likes his kid a lot. I mean, he and it'll be interesting to see with and when that night in the war room we always get to we'll talk about, Okay, who the coach is standing in the back of the room. If it's Rod Marinelli, Chris Richard, you know, Okay, is it gonna be the corner, There's gonna be a safety,

there's gonna be defensive tackle. But I just think they liked this kid a lot, and so to them, that's probably not a reach. To the panel, maybe it is a little bit of a reach, but I don't I don't think so. I don't think they believe that maybe we do a little bit more. Here's a question from Sam which again kind of touches on the theme of the mock draft. He says, it seems like the assumption has been we're drafting two defensive players on Day two.

Nobody's making a big enough deal out of the offense having trouble scoring last year. Basically, how big of a surprise would it be if they're offensive minded on day two? And what makes me think that is Deebo Samuel being a perfect example. Would they really bypass a far superior offensive player just in the name of drafting defense, because that goes contrary to what everyone says you're always supposed to do about your draft. I think that's how you

make massive mistakes. So are we not giving enough credence to the thought that they might really draft the best player. I do think that this team is set up to pick the best player available. I think if a safety falls in your l app that's towards the very top of your board, then that would be perfect for them, that would be their ideal scenario. But I mean, I think you're good at receiver. You're not good at running back, but you can fix it other places if you need to.

You're good at quarterback, you're good on the offensive line, you're good in the secondary maybe minus the safety. You're great at linebacker, you're good on the defensive line. You don't have to do anything. So I would feel weird if they forced to pick. But here's the thing. When you're talking about it, pick fifty eight best available, Like, I don't know if you're talking about one clear guy.

I think you're talking about like a group of players, and I think you're talking about a receiver, you're talking about defensive time, you're talking about you know, a handful of receivers at that point, I don't know one fifty or at two fifty eight. If you feel this is a clearly our best player on the board, I think things get a little muddled and you're deciding between four

or five players. Well, teams have their board, like I would imagine they'll have them made like the one will make where you'll see first round, second round, third round. But in each individual round, will they have him stacked? I think that's what if you do just point to the top, yeah, right, what the what the cowboys will

do is my experience. Again, the last time I was in a war room within was two thousand and five, so but I know there's a lot of similarity and what they did back then to what they do now, and it's it's by round, by position, and then what they go off of is the stack. Okay, it's say they have one hundred and fifty names on that board. It'll be they take their top player and then their player at one fifty, and then they'll stack it vertical board. So you got it by position, by round, but then

you got it by actually by players. So that's how they separate, you know. For example, you know there might be guys two guys that have a grade of a low grades win on their board. So if a guy is a one one point zero zero, then the next guy might have a one point zero five, you know, and that's how they'll stack them down that board. So that's that kind of is the way that they bring them in the order of how they would want to

do it. So a month ago, you had a five alarm panic attack because Damien Harris visited the team and you're preparing for them to draft a running back at fifty eight. Yeah, seventy two hours before they go on the clock. You're just just you're throwing an offense out the window as a possibility. I think that they brought Damien Harrison as if they got wiped out. Yeah, but

I do. I think they're I think they're thinking if they lost all their if they lost all their defensive players that they wanted, maybe they maybe they think that Damien Harris, like Jeff had pause about taking Hill. Yeah, you know, I think we all had pause about taking him. Maybe on their board, Damien Harris is a higher rated player.

Maybe when they do the stack that Damien Harris's grade might be a one to five and then and then Hill's grade is a one two nine, and there's a there's a gap, you know, and they're gonna say, Okay, we're not gonna jump We're not gonna jump Hill just because we need a defensive tackle, or maybe they do do that. I just that that's where that happened to

him one time. And basically, my buddy Thom Siskowski lost his position, and it was it was the it was the Shari Floyd draft where they had Sharie Floyd as a top five player, the defensive tackle from Florida, and they jumped him. They could did a complete jump, you know, and took somebody completely different. And I that was Tom's last draft, you know, and so I I just don't see them doing that. A great example of that was

when Zack Martin was taken. You know, they had Martin, Manziel, all those guys, and then you know, my uh Chesier goes right ahead of him. What's the next player they took? They pointed the board and said, okay, Zack Martin, boom they you know, that's a great example of them just following the order they had. I'm I'm I'll be curious to see because we took a defensive player because we think that's what we want, what they want to do. I think that is what they want to do. We

should be shocked that they can offensive. We shouldn't be shocked. If we shouldn't be shocked if they take a running back, we shouldn't be shot. I don't know, that's I know, I know, I know, I though I will be shocked if they take a running back, even if we shouldn't be. They brought in receivers, will be is a receiver in your time? Okay, the thirty visits, if you had to rank them of the rank of the thirty visits, Is Deebo Samuel a higher radio player on your board than

Damien Harris? Yes, yes, he's very comfortable. Maybe they think Damian Harris will make it to ninety. I may wouldn't. Maybe you know, I don't have the same context you guys do. Just on my watching, I wouldn't be surprised at all, right, I would. Yeah, I wouldn't like that pick at fifty eight for any team. I'd be okay with it. Fifty eight for a running back needy team, but not this team. Do you have him as a straight two or two three? I gave him two because

I think he can't do everything. That's I haven't missed two as well. Damien Harris is a seventy five percent version of Zeke. That that's how I view him. See that's maybe what maybe you know with with that, Maybe there's a scout in that room making that exact argument for putting him up there on that board. I did go into panic attack. No freaked out. No, I freaked out because I'm thinking, why are they bringing a second round running back in her to visit? Maybe? You know,

I I that's freak. Maybe they don't think he's a second round running back, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, maybe they think they don't get him in third round. Right, and and and according to their mock draft, we got a running back though in the third round. Right. I hate to keep beating this drum. I'm really sorry, but like nobody thinks that you can get Debo in the third round. No, no, no, no, no, no, no way. And they really don't think they're going to a shout

out him a fifty eight. Yeah, I think he's gonna be off the board in the top. Okay, shouts out to our buddy, Trevor. Shout out to Kelsey. Charles had just rolled into bad Chuck. All right, Chuck, Trevor shouts out to him. Came out here, asked us these questions directly. Yes, I usually do. Tell me more. I'm gonna let him do it. He's got three guys, Okay, Uh, tell me more, Tell Trevor more. Are about Caleb Wilson, the UCLA tight end. Somebody else take that one, please, he's your favorite player,

Jeff Caleb. Wilson had almost a thousand yards as a tight end and he ran a four or five six ye So off of those numbers and saying he's six four two thirty five, my initial impression if you just gave me his stats, his forty time and his size would be that he goes on day two watching his tape. If he were in the seventh round, I would consider it. Wow, I gave a PFA grade, So I'm with him. Yeah, Okay.

It's really weird because you see the numbers on the guys and then you watch him play and like Drew Sample at Washington, would you have three hundred yards yeah, twenty something catches. I'd take him three or four rounds ahead of ahead of Wilson, and it's just I don't know, it's weird like that. Sometimes, you know, you watch him play and it's weird that they schemed him open on basically one yard drag routes all the time and would

throw him the ball. But there was nothing I saw that was like, man, that guy's gonna be really good on Sundays because I don't like stiff athletes who have inconsistent ball skills, you know, And that's that's why for me, he's way down the list and he'll be overdraft. If he's drafted, he'll be overdrafted. Put it like that. Yeah, I didn't. Which it's weird for a power five tight end with almost a thousand, so I understand the question. But he's a big guy that doesn't play with very

much power. That's that that that's a that's a big, big, big, big problem. And I think that you also, he doesn't play with much balance, you know. That's another thing. I mean, if you're tighten, my titan's playing out of balance. I'm I'm not a fan at all. So who else we got on that? How about Mark Fields, the corner out of Clemson. Dane mentioned him briefly yea during the mock He's he's weird because he did not see the field a lot at Clemson, but when he was on the field,

he seemed to make plays. You know, He's an undersized slot guy. He's under five two pounds, speedy, forty three seven at the combine, but what six career starts, one interception? Just not a productive guy couldn't get on the field. I know Clemson is a loaded program, but at the same time, if you're a good player, you find the field. They play in a rotating system to a corner, though, didn't they Because I remember watching Mullen, you felt like

they were why is he off? You know, and it was one of those things kind of they were trying to find It's like they felt like that they needed to play, like they had so many kids and they felt bad about not playing them. You know, they just didn't want to sit guys well. And what really helped Mark Fields as when he went the Senior Bowl, right, he was a late invite to the Senior Bowl, and he really had a chance of show out there and he had a good week and that's what really helped him.

That's why we're talking about Mark Fields as someone who's gonna be drafted somewhere on Day three. And you know remember his father, Mark Fields. Yeah, yeah, the Saints. Yeah. I was a linebacker from Washington round pick. Yeah, Washington State. That those bloodlines, yeah, exactly, all right, there's one more, yeah, one last. Mike Edwards, the safety out of Kentucky. He might be my favorite safety of the non mainstream safeties. You know, we always talk about the same six or

seven guys in the second round. Mike Edwards is the guy in the third round that once you get wiped out at every other your safety options. I love Mike Edwards in that spot. Really productive both as a run defender and in coverage. He can run a guy that's been out of sight out of mind a little bit because he's been hurt. But when he's during the pre draft process, but when he's on the field, he makes plays. Yeah, I think that. You know what I liked about him

was I loved how the guy hit. I mean, and this guy, this guy's one of those guys that it's not afraid to draw a flag. You know, he'll take He'll take a shot at you in the middle of the field. And I thought that was I thought that was really kind of admirable about him, though, But you know, he needs to me he needs to do a better job of coverage in the red zone. That's where I saw him get exposed a little bit. And in the field he seemed to do better. But the smaller the space,

the more trouble he had covering. And then I worry about him giving that up down there when you get in the red zone, you know, Elison, you put you put a safety in coverage and then he's given up play. So I was I was a little bit more uh that that bothered me, But I didn't think he played with very much smoothness to it was another thing. Kind of was a herky jerky kind of a player. And I my safety is to be able to play with that range, get over make plays, but have a little

bit smoothness about him. There were three players in this draft who have over three hundred tackles and over ten interceptions in their career. He's one of them. So ideally he's your third safety on your roster, right, you know, a nickel guy, dime guy. Uh. They asked him to do a lot like he seemed like he watching him, I felt like he played single high, he played down, he's covering the flats. He's kind of kind of all over the place. But did you see him though, man,

when he had to really turn and go. Because I saw a guy that labored. That's what I'm worried about it. He was like laboring to get to the ball. That's why I kind of liked him because the other part is I felt like he was hit you. That's the best thing about him. I feel like he was almost kind of an anxious player, where when when I see him in average, I felt like, the first move he's coming, the first anything, he's coming. And a lot of times that's not where you need to be. Yea, but he did.

I mean Dane's right, he was productive. Um So yes, I like him and I would worry about him. Third fourth round. I love I love this thought exercise. Cowboys aren't picking Thursday as far as we know, don't care. We're gonna be live streaming in anyway, so yeah, please join us. Here's here's a question from Bryant. If this card smokescreen is real and they're not sold on picking Kyler Murray, which I don't really believe for the record, but let's just say that they're serious if they pass.

If Arizona passes on Kyler Murray, where does he get drafted Oakland four? Not? You don't not, Miami, Do we see a trade up the Jets one out of there? The Jets at the third pick overall are trying like heck to get out of it, trying to get out of it, like Mike wants that second round pickbacks something insane to get up to get up to three. I mean, who else needs one in that in that well? The Giants, Giants Steward seven. Yeah, Gettleman probably hates Murray. If I

had to guess, I think that. I think actually Oakland sitting in a pretty good spot because I think John. I think John likes both. I think he likes both him, and I think he likes Haskins too. Do you think that they would move up from four to three just to guarantee they get their guy? That seems like something that John would do. Just just did it two years ago. No, no, no, it seems like something that John would do. I don't know.

I might let that. I'm I'm I'm gonna guarantee. I'm thinking that somebody is not gonna offer mcagnan enough at three to make that trade. I think that, Okay, hear me out on this, a Rams deal, an Eagles deal. But we saw for Carson Wins and those guys, right, I don't see somebody making that kind of deal with the Jets. Don't either, And the Jets are just gonna sit there and pick the player. See, I don't I

don't either. But same time, I also know the Jets are desperate to get out of there, and that worries me. So if I'm the Raiders and I see a quarterback, I want Okay, Okay, if they're desperate and they're willing to take the low market value to get out of there, which I think they are, then if that's the case, then you then you need to be worried. But okay, well, the will the Jet will the will the Raiders be able to offer enough just to move up one spot?

Or they definitely can offer enough. They have a boatload of picks, right, but but but but do you want to if you're the Jets, do you want someone coming from the middle of the board like the Dolphins to like to to take all the to get all their picks. Well, that's what you want. But if that offers not there, well that's what I'm saying though, That's what I'm saying. You you you know you would you better off if you can't get if you're just gonna get one pick

from moving down? Is that is that enough? Oh? Yeah, I would, gladly, I would. Is that getting out of there? Yes? I would gladly. You're you're getting A. You're not taking Kyler Murray, so you're gonna get a four take six to five. To me, I think good Will Grewon would take either one of those quarterbacks. I really do. I think he would take either one of those guys. So are you Are you saying that Dwayne Haskins is gonna go forth? Then that's kind of what you're saying kind

of No, I could. It's the Raiders. For God's sake. Hey, I want you to say. I need to put together my final mock draft, so I need your help here. No, absolutely, it mean Dweyne Haskins. Do you think I think Green would do? I think he's looking at either one of those quarterbacks that's been having some late night phone conversations with your old friends. Who's who's a fourth or fifth round tackle prospect? If history is an indication that's who

they'll take. That's mean I'm just telling you that. I'm just telling you though, that I think he would. He's looking at both those quarterbacks. I really do. Do you think do you think that Kyler Murray really won't go one overall? Anybody? No? Anybody? No, I think he's going I think he's going to number one. Okay, and I think the Bosa goes too, and the draft starts at number three with the Jets. I think I agree with that.

And I don't know who knows who's pick and third is the Jets or someone else, but it'll be interesting. Here's a Homer question from my homies, Aaron and Julie Murray. Okay, we already talked about Stanley Morgan Junior, but what about Divine oh zigbo combines back. Yeah, he's a hard charger who, uh it doesn't always look smooth like it. It's not you know, his cuts aren't beautiful in that, but he

finds ways to be productive after first contact. Uh. Dallas day kid, right, and he's one He's one of like like eight players this year who had over seven yards of carry. Yeah, so he's really productive. Uh. He's a guy that in the late fifth round, sixth round, that's where you start considering him with these other running backs. I think he's one of the few one day three who is a legitimate three down player at the running

back position. I feel like I'm I'm betraying myself because like my anti running back tendencies are starting to come back, Like after I let the charge on Trevion Williams. I'm like, there's gotta be a guy on day three that we can get to backup Zekes. Gotta be go to zigbo gets zigbo at in the fifth round? Here we go, Yeah, Justice Hill, Maybe yeah, Exter Williams. But all right, So if again, if that's the theory, then we just need to the Cowboys need to move ninety. Then I kinda

they need to move ninety. I mean coming around, I'm kind of I'm kind of getting there. Like if you tell me that we can get a safety we really love at fifty and it's gonna cost us ninety, go get them? Think I I think I was exercise turned the quarter for you. I like that more than drafting two players that I feel about. Yeah, I like that. But what if they were going to pick two players that you didn't feel about? What if what if? Yeah? What if win them was debot? Then I'm then we're

just running the flag through the streets, press swinging it around. Uh, he was not gonna be there. So what do you think about the Nebraska kid? The runner? Tell you what I was interested and tell me always combined snub so I would have to learn this from pro day because I thought on tape I was kind of impressed with the way he caught the ball. There were a few where it looks easy turning around, yeah, and grabbing it, usually on the wheel routes. Even got down on the

sideline once. So like, I don't know for six foot and two thirty three, it's weird because I didn't think he consistently ran with a great pad level, Like nothing about it quite looked right. But the results were right right, and he was able to break tackles and he was able to make it hard to bring him down. So like, just because it didn't look right is the way the reason that I would have him somewhere around the fifth round. Yeah, the way I described it is he doesn't like make

hard cuts and like make guys miss. He is he is a straight line runner in my opinion though, he really really is, and I think that I think he has to have he gets what the line blocks. If they block for him, he's gonna get yards. If they don't block, he's gonna have problems. That's kind of where I saw this guy. I think he's one of the few on day three that you look out and say he is a legitimate guy that can be a three down or any down back. It doesn't matter what down.

He can go out there and you know, be a reliable player for us. I know we talked. We talked about him last week, and I apologize by Cowboys fans seem kind of obsessed with this guy, which is interesting to me because there's virtually no noise about him. Draymond Jones fifty eight. If for some reason that comes to pass, is that something we're not talking about the man his second air but in his teeth right now, so which we initially I don't know if I stay three techniques. Yeah,

he tackle. I don't know if people remember months ago, but initially I was seeing him in from the first round in bought drafts, and so when I first watched him, I was like, holy cow, the world is insane because you can see the ability to win sort of with quickness and rush the passer. But I also saw a guy that when you snapped the ball, stands straight up

and like, please wash me out of this play. It's like, I just think there's a lot of work to do, and there's some tools to work with, and even at fifty eight, that's probably rich for me, he's my fifty six player. So right around fifty eight is I feel comfortable? But didn't we say last week that you kind of think he'll go higher than that. I'd be surprised if he's fell out of the top forty. Yeah, right around there. Well, and I think this draft is also it's so weak

as like those three techniques. That's why we have to take Triston Hill at fifty eight, right, It's why Draymond Jones has a chance to go late first round, early second round. Is the three techniques just they're not there here where Shakerton's and I'm looking up at the screen. The ESPN's doing their writer's mockt Yeah, they're doing the writer's mock. And your guy, Brian Burns just with the Carolina at sixteen. That's I mean that it's about where

he's gonna go. You and I are. I mean, that's gonna be the one I'm gonna wear probably the world. According to Brian says, he'll be in play for the Cowboys it fifty Brian, you just gonna come around to realize that the pass rush is more important. I don't like the guy, and that's exactly why Draymond Jones is gonna go higher. I think I know so in a world where he in a world where and if that's if he's there, is that something we're not talking about,

Like should we be considering him? I mean, I've heard next to nothing about they're not doing work on him. They didn't bring him in, But is that something we should be thinking about. I don't think he's gonna make it that far, so I think it's smoot. But at the same time, if he's there, heck yeah, And like I said, I have a fifty six to overall on my board, so I'd be good with it. Brontess would be good with it. Jeff would be. He have to warm up to it. Yeah, you have to. We have

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these names. I'm not looking forward to this because I have a feeling I know where this direction is gonna go. Just to kind of give you an idea too a little bit. This week, we've got the We got the draft completely covered for you guys. We encourage you. You know, they'll have it on TV and stuff. But well, we're gonna have it all three days. We're gonna we're gonna have it Thursday night, Friday nights, and Saturday all day.

So we're gonna have all the picks. How many picks we got, two hundred and fifty four, two hundred fifty four, So we will have analysis of every pick by every team, the ones we like, the ones we don't like. We're gonna have guests and stuff at the at the Star. Yeah. Three of my favorite days of every year. Yeah, it's so much fun. I love what's the fourth one? Oh gosh, I mean that's Jena put this one, Yeah, the Giant Jena. Yeah, it's my three favorite days of the year that don't

actually involve football being played. Put it that way. What I love about this draft is it's gonna be unpredictable. There's gonna be stuff going on in the first round that we don't see coming. And that's what makes it fun. No problem if I, you know, go over thirty two on my mock draft, fine with that. But you're one of the best. You and Daniel Jeremiah the NFL never two of the best mock drafts in the country. My percentage is gonna take a hit this year. So it

is it's tough this year? Is it? Because is it the quarterbacks? You're worried about the quarterbacks? After say Kyler Murray goes one, who's the second quarterback off the board? And where does he go? What pick? Yeah? I mean I think all four, Dwayne Haskins, Daniel Jones, Drew Locke, They're gonna come off the board in the top twenty twenty five picks. It's trying to figure out where's that landing spot gonna be. And I don't there's so there's

no consensus. There's some teams that really like Drew Locke. I'm really like Daniel Jones, So I'm like Dwayne Haskins. It's just I've heard that those rumors. I'd be shocked if it happened. I just to me. I see Will Greer, and we taught me these quarterbacks. I see Will Griers being probably the most accurate of the throwers. He doesn't have the strongest arm, but I think he's really accurate. I don't think people are giving him enough credit for that.

His issue is decision making like that. That's I just don't think he has the decision making to go in the first round. If you're if you're a fan of the Cowboys and you want to see the Giants take a quarterback? Which quarterback do you want to see them take? Realistically? Daniel Jones, Daniel freaking Jones? Right? You with one on Daniel Jones. Do you like Daniel Jones alive? Well? The problem is I kind of like all of them, and I don't like doing the I like to hate quarterbacks.

Oh yeah, you'd like to hate me hating quarterbacks. I had to. It took me a while to decide on my order, and I still don't feel great about it. But I've got Locke, Career and Jones all pretty similar. I think they're all good at different things, and I could see any one of them ending up being a good NFL quarterback depending on where they end up. I don't know which one I bet against the most. I

think they're all coin flips. Tell me where they go, tell me how they're protected, and tell me who's coaching them. I don't have a dream guy for the Giants, and I'm like, ah, he won't make it. I could see Daniel Jones making it as an NFL quarterback, sure, I totally could, but he's in the Eli Manning mold though, you know, like where David Cutcliff the coach coach, right. Yeah, that's why we're hearing the Giants and Daniel Jones rumors because it just makes too much sense to following the

Manning Manning way. But yeah, trying to figure out who these quarterbacks are gonna go is the toughest part. When you map out the first round, it's anybody's guess, and there's gonna be a trade somewhere early that's gonna throw off and break everyone's mock for the rest of the round exactly. And even that's trying to figure out is it gonna be the top ten is it gonna be?

You know, I'd love to see the Bengals go after a Dwayne Haskins, you know, yeah, right, and he don't and he don't shown he's not taking this team to the super Bowl. You bring in a young quarterback like Dayne Haskins, let him sit on the bench for a year behind Andy Dalton. It makes sense. Yeah, but Miami Dolphins probably gonna wait till next year. That's what most

people in the league believe is gonna happen. Washington, I'd be surprised that they've finished this draft weekend without a quarterback. A new quarterback now that could be Josh Rosen. Yeah, if I were them, it would be Josh ro Right. I mean, at least if the rumors are true about what it costs. If I'm picking and I can use my second round pick to get Josh Rosen, you can forget these first round quarterback twenty twenty second rounder and Case Keenum would get it done done. It's insane to me,

how I know. You know, draft picks are like Case Keen played in four Cliff Kingsbury right at that, Houston, Right, Yeah, draft picks are like cars. They lose value as soon as you pick them. But like the way that people have just cast Josh Rosen aside as being helpless is insane. And they did the same thing to Jared Goff. But the thing is with Josh Rosen. If he doesn't but even going back to last year, if he doesn't go what nine over our ten overall to the Cardinals, where's

he go? You know? Like I just think back, it's hard to figure out because not everyone had a first round grade on him, um, and so I thought he was Matt Ryan. He still could be. That's my points. What happened to Jeff's guy when when the coach showed up at the Rams so exactly that's I would love to think Rosen can't play because he was bad for on the worst team in football that has no clue

what they're doing and has no talent. That would be I would be I would be much If we're thinking about this from a Cowboys standpoint, I would be much more afraid of New York or Washington parting ways with a second round pick to put him on their team then taking a chance on Daniel Chef. You're the Cowboys. Sure, if you had the Cowboys, you had your twenty seventh pick. Would you trade it for Josh ros Oh gosh, why are we You don't Why don't want to do that?

I'm just asking for me? Is yes, but it just makes people mad. It does man that I don't don't have an answer to that, like because you know not to make people mad. You're smarter than me. Purely from like an analytics standpoint, I probably would yes, because Josh Rosen in twenty five million dollars for the next three years. The savings would allow you to build a much deeper roster. I think he can be pretty good. But at the same time, like teams don't do that, teams don't go

away from it. But this is the one team that should do that right because they don't. They have a general manager that's not gonna get fired. At the same but you got to think about it from another standpoint too, this is a team that can't afford to do that in the sense of how many Dak Prescott jerseys have been sold over the last three years. You already sold do keep selling that stuff? Rosen One's a brand new no one has one yet, and nobody's going to be

excited about until he starts winning games. So win games. What if he doesn't, that's the point, and everybody gets fired. I think it is a gamble that nobody has the guts to make, including me, until teams start getting the guts and I can't wait, someone someone will do it. Then it'll be a you know, we never thought a

six foot quarterback can go number one overall, Baker Mayfield did. No, all of a sudden, we're gonna have a five eleven quarterback that's being generous, go number one overall, Cala Murray. So like there a day is coming where teams are going to start viewing quarterbacks as expendable assets, but it's not here yet. Like I keep saying, the Cowboys are the one team that can do that because again, these other general managers are trying to pay for their lake houses.

You know, this guy's lake house already paid for and then something and he's not Yeah, he's not going anywhere. Yeah, But that's why, that's why this team would be the example for your right if you had enough confidence that you could pick quarterbacks. Who puts you or think about it from Jerry's standpoint, who puts you closer to winning a Super Bowl? Right now? Like in the next three years, is it, Dak or Josh Rosen? Rosen and twenty five

million dollars in cap space? Twenty five million dollars in cap space that you can't spend until next You said three years? Though, true, I can carry it over right, keep you. You had to just you had to take us down this No, no, no, we're talking about the last couple of weeks. I've just said if you I'm just saying, if the Cowboys had the pick, would you do it for fifty eight? Then? Why would you do

this eight minutes before the show? I'm just asking. It's just a question because teams are having to determine if they're good what what what do you? What would you give up for Josh Rosen? That's gonna be the question. What if you had Josh Rosen as a top five player on your board? But again, how many teams like love him or hate him? How many teams have a quarterback that's that's taken him in the playoffs twice in three years? Oh no, there's nothing. I mean, Dak, I'm

a big fan of deck. I'm just saying, though, if you're a team looking at your and you and and the and the Arizona Cardinals are giving you a chance to upgrade your quarterback. If you thought, I mean I would. I think you have to look at those things, don't you? How long into his all right, let's say this, let's say this were to happen. How long into his Dallas? Sorry Dan? How long into his Dallas tenure? Does it take Josh Rosen to be better than Dak Prescott based

on decks QBR last year? Based on what? Maybe one year? Maybe one? All right? Maybe we don't know. I mean, we can't teleport the guys, but we don't know. And that's why nobody does it, because it would take a lot of cojones to say you have three years of club control over Rosen, two of which you're at an extremely affordable price. One is at a moderately affordable price. Verse. I'm trying to find the value of Josh Rosen here. To somebody, I can't believe it's not a first round

The value of Josh Rosen is a second round pick. Yeah, it should be a first but again that's not what as soon as you get drafted, you lose value. It's dumb, but it's true. Josh Rosen's values what someone's willing to pay, that's it. And if all someone's willing to pay the second round or then that's if you're If you're Steve Kime in Arizona, are you gonna be stubborn about this? Are you gonna take the Giants second round pick? What's

your leverage? You gotta get rid of him. If you're going to draft Kyler Murray, you gotta get him off that roster. Now. I would not be surprised if Kyler Murray or if Josh Rosen is still on the roster after draft weekend. I would not be surprised by that. And Josh Rosen's just kind of in limbo for a little bit. If they want to go next year one, somebody gets next year's one, well that's not going to happen. But they're being an injury so Bradford deal exactly, Teddy Bridgewater.

I mean, they're gonna wait for someone to get injured and then they're gonna make a move. I still don't think it'll be for a first rounder. Isn't that? But is going to three something like that? Is that gamble worth taking? Like? Won't that be weird for everyone involved? It will be very weird in Arizonas. Yeah, it's worth it if you think that Kyler Murray's a better quarterback than Josh Rosen. No, but let's say, like, what if nobody gets hurt, What if nobody's willing to do that deal,

they take what you can get. Yeah, Yeah, it's really it's it's it is an unprecedented situation. Yeah, it's nothing has ever happened like this where a team's gonna draft a quarterback top ten back to back years and they fired their coach chapter one year too. I've got I have I've never met Steve Kime, I have no beef with him. I bet he would and calling uber afterwards. But I'm kind of shocked that he's got a job given the situation the Cardinals are in right now. Yeah,

and just remember the Cardinals, the way they operate. The owner has a lot of saying what happens. Yeah, and that's part of the reason why I think Kyler Murray is going to be the pick aside from Cliff Kingsbury. But the opportunity to sell jerseys, put butts and seats eyeballs on your football team, Kyler Murray's gonna do that. Josh Rosen is not going to do that. And that's why you know Michael Bidwell is going to be a

big part of decision making for the Cardinals. So that's why I think Kyler Murray is going to be the top pick. That's all the time we have for today. How about that we just ruin everything in the last no. I was just trying to I was just trying to find value in uh. I was just trying to find value in the quarterback. I'd just like to apologize for the last five minutes. Okay, very sorry. Wait did you did you get a big that guy? I hope that gets five hundred million in a lake house. Five hundred

million is a lot big. Well, I'd settle for one sixty five. Well, we want we want to thank everybody here at Jakinson's for putting up with us for the last couple hours. I want to especially thank Ken Garrison

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