Draft Show: Free Agency's Impact on the Draft

Star in Frisco and the s WBC studios. No David Hellman today, No Jeff Cavanaugh as well. It is Brian brought us and myself, Kyle Yeoman's trying to hold it down here from the Star and what is one of the more crazy weeks that I can remember covering this branchise. It is a happy saint. Patrick's happy as well. Um yeah, and I'm on the other end of it two on one oh five three the fan with our show and

it's been a roller coaster ride. And I you know, my experience of being a former scout and working in the league and having friends that still do this in the league. You know, the the emotions that you feel at this time when you feel like you have something done when it doesn't work out the one you just

missed on, you know, the one you got. I mean, it is a it's a very very difficult time because you kind of you lay out your plan for how you want to build your team, you know, before the draft, and if you could supplement it with a couple of players that can keep you from having to focus so much on the draft, it sure takes a lot of pressure off you. And this team is you know, last

year did a really nice job with free agency. They'll be it week two, week three free agency, but they had a good plan, they got some good they got some good play the guys that they got, and you know, to miss out on signing one of their own, you know, is a little bit of a kick in the gut. But they you know, you don't put your head in the sand and you go try and figure out some things. And that's what we're going to do throughout the course of this show is look at alternative moves of action

for this Cowboys team. Where do they go next? Is it possible to replace a guy like Randy Gregory? And we'll get into that here in a couple of seconds, is it possible to replace him in the NFL draft. But let's talk about that situation, because when we were recording on Tuesday, we were under the impression that Randy Gregory was going to have a star on the side of his Yes, we were. We thought that was done. It was already agreed to terms. He felt like he

was back. And then in the thirty minutes after the show it ended on Tuesday, was when the news came out that he had had a rocky ending, no pun intended with Dallas going to Denver, right, and he agrees to a five year deal there. So what is your initial reaction to that or what was your initial reaction? Yeah, trying to be really fair because the owner and general

manager one day reminded me in a hallway. He goes, hey, you're kicking my ass, but you're fair about it, and so I continue to kick his ass, but I try to be fair about it. And you know that My reaction was, there's two sides of the story. Now, if you believe what you know, this is a Denver based agent. He has ties with the Broncos. I talk to my folks at the Broncos. They're super super happy about having

Randy Gregory that that's number one in their mind. And so, you know, if you're an agent and you have a client that somebody really really wants and you're based in that city, you can deliver players. You know, you can try.

I think I think that his group was looking for they agreed to the deal, then all of a sudden, it's like, well, maybe I need to get my client here closer to where I can watch him a little bit, you know, And I think that's where you start to find Okay, well maybe this language isn't right, and maybe that language isn't right, And so I've tried to get both sides of the story. The agent says there's language that they didn't like. The Cowboys said there was language

that we always use. So it's somebody is right here, you know, and a lot of I know a lot of agents and player personal guys I've talked around the league says this agent is kind of off at a little bit that he's not that's dealing with him is never a good thing, and you know, and unfortunate for Randy.

I feel like that he wanted to be here in Dallas, I think he was excited about the opportunity of, you know, he's got family and stuff here that he's really he's into and now it's you know, that situation where he's going to have to move to Colorado and then Okay, how much you're really going to get to see your family. Sure, he's got millions of dollars now he can charter planes or get plane tickets or whatever he needs to do.

But this place was really his home, and you know, and I think the owner, Um, I think the owner did everything he could for him. I think Randy went through some terrible stuff with what the league did to him. So there was a there was a relationship there, and and the fact that he that it ended the way

it did. I think both sides are to blame. Maybe the Cowboys negotiated a little with hard tactics or you know up until what we you know, until the signing period, and maybe the agents just said, listen, I'm I'm a I'm a Denver base agent. You know, getting a player that the Broncos like is a feather in my cap.

So I think there's a couple of factors really rolling on here, man, And it could be both sides to blame, and I think to a certain exteps it is both sides to blame because there's always two stories to somebody's right here, Yeah, somebody's right and and the Cowboys will tell you that they never had a chance to remove the provision or even talk about that. The agent will say that they put the provision in there on them

and they didn't say anything about it. But if you look at some of the common contracts they've had or the contracts in the past, Randy Gregory's contract has that provision, So maybe they wanted to remove but I don't feel like the Cowboys were ever given the opportunity to remove it. That's what they're saying. The agents say, no, no, no, the Cowboys had a chance. We never got to talk to him about it. So it is. It's it's a very very tough situation here. I think Randy and Randy

Gregory is in the middle of it. Yep. And unfortunately though he moves on and the Dallas Cowboys do have some a lot of money that they earmarked for him, that is, you know, available now to go and try and fix some things. Very happy for Randy Gregory. Yeah, let's put that out there. Everybody here, I think is happy for Randy Gregory to get the money he did to get to contract and the opportunity that he has to finally make that NFL money unlike he did early

in his career. But it is, it puts the Cowboys in a tough situation. It does. Here's where they have to respond, and at least to this point, they haven't really responded with anything. It looked like there were names out there. Von Miller of course, was being thrown around. He signs a deal with the Buffalo Bills. Then you've got Chandler Jones going to the Raiders. They had names

to potentially replace Gregory. Zadarius Smith, Darius Smith. Yeah, you had to figure out out the back with Zadarius Smith. And I talked to people with the Packers, like literally minutes before he signed back with the Ravens. He was like, I was saying, Hey, how good is this back? And because you know, we were starting to hear reports that the Cowboys were involved, Well, the Cowboys really never got involved. I mean, this guy was going back to the Ravens.

But everything that Green Bay, my guys tell me the back is fine. He's ready to play so, I mean, I was thinking they were going to be questions about that, but yeah, it went really really fast. And the and the problem is when you're thinking about the Cowboys, you're thinking, well, they're in, but they're really not in. You know, they're there. They talk due diligences, the word that's kind of bad. They talk about being in on deals and they're really

not in on deals. And with that being said, now you have to look at maybe back end edge rushers, the guys that aren't the top of the market because pretty much all those guys are off the board with the exception and maybe a Bobby Wagner there. I wouldn't even really classify him as a pure edge rusher, but maybe the Bobby Wagner guy that you could add to the second level of the defense is still around. Yeah, however, edge rusher may be where we talk about early in

the draft. It doesn't have to be at twenty four, but early on. Is it possible, first off, just to get this out of the way, to replace the production of Randy Gregory early in this draft class, because kind of doesn't look like it at least if you're not outside, if you're outside of the top ten fifteen picks. Yeah, I think that, you know, depending on how this draft falls, and you know, I think we've done a really good job so far of kind of identifying the top guys.

I think whoever the Cowboys take at twenty four, I think there's gonna be a really good name there. It might be a player that has a little bit of an efficiency, or is not the tallest or not the longest star, not the you know, doesn't have the longest arms, but it's a really really good player. I think you can eliminate Thibodeaux, Hutchinson. I think you can eliminate Walker, Thibodeaux, Oregon, Hutchinson, Michigan,

Walker Georgia. I think are those are your top three that to me, I think you can eliminate just watching how this thing might fall. Now we're talking about the karloftis from Pence from Purdue, Jermaine Johnson from Florida State, a job Bo from Michigan. I would even uh maffe

from from Minnesota. I wouldn't even consider a guy that These are guys that I personally like, I you know, I those would be the guys, and then you know, you get into the others that they might you know, they might like Drake Jackson more than me, or you know, they might like these these guys. So I just kind of feel like though that at twenty four, you know, the guy that I would really really like out of

all that would be karloftis from from Purdue. I think he could fill that role for you of of of you know with Randy with the pressures, you know, I think he I think he plays the run well enough. Um, you know, there's just a lot of positive things about him. Jermaine Johnson. If you talk to the scouts around the league about Jermaine Johnson, they're kind of saying that the media scouts have him higher than a lot of teams

are sure, So we'll see how that plays out. The thing with a Jobo at Michigan, and I don't know how you feel about this. I think he's the one that has the biggest upside. I think the rawness of him, though, is a little bit scary to me. No, I'm right there with you. I have him as the bendy athletic. Yeah. Other quote unquote edge rusher from Michigan because Aidan Hutchinson ate up a lot of those double teams and it

left a Jabo open. We talked about this with Dame Brugler at the Combine too, But you're right, he's very raw. There's a lot you could add to his game, but the traits are all there for a Jobo. I think ultimately he could be that next level edge rusher, but it wouldn't be immediately. That's the only thing. Yeah, you know, I mean, you're gonna want somebody that you can plug

and play. And then the determination is with this draft and if you like I say, if you get a shot at draft and Walker from from Georgia, I mean, just hand that card in, let's go. Kind I'm right there with you. But that's you know, but that's that's kind of where it is on the defensive end. I know that some people, and this is just something that I'm hearing you because of Daniel Hunter being at Minnesota.

You know, they have a roster bonus that they have to come up with a guaranteed part of his contract. I don't know exactly the number on it. I need to know that before my show today. But there's people I asked around the league. I said, what do you give up for Daniel Hunter? Who was an established pass rusher and you talk about if he was an available, you would talk about him in that group with the

von Miller's and Chandler Jones and guys like that. And everybody seems to think I talked to three teams this morning that third round compensation would be what you would consider doing. And I'm like, going, okay, So it's not a one or two, it's a it's actually could be a three. And so you know, you've got all these

multiple fives, you've got a third. You know, if you really wanted to go do this and you wanted to fix this pass rush situation, you go trade for him and then figure out a way to redo the contract. That's what can you move. Yeah, make a move that way. So there's options for them there if they want to go big time and swing for the fin you know,

give up a three. You could take all those fives, move those fives back up into the third round if you want to, if you were worried about losing your three. But man, you get an established player, it would take a lot of pressure off them having to hope that if Karloftus is there or Johnson's there, one of those guys there. That kind of it kind of could focus him on some of these other positions, whether it's the linebacker or the receiver or one of those interior offensive lineman.

Eighteen million dollars is the bonus. The roster bonus vests on Sunday for Minnesota. And that's a lot of money to try and move around for a team that claims that they don't have a ton of money to work with. But see that's the problem though. I think with the Cowboys, I mean you have to kind of figure out, Okay, what were you willing to give Randy? Were you ever willing to do that with Von Miller? It doesn't appear so Chandler Jones, I mean, you know, to me, you

go get you go get a Daniel Hunter. And people are going to be critical of me again because he's LSU. I know. I'm just saying, just watch can play at Minnesota. Look at the sack numbers at Minnesota, look at the pressures. Yeah, he was Nick dub last year. But you know, you could go get a guy like that if you if you're telling me I could sacrifice the third, I'll figure out the money because there's there's nobody on that board,

you know. I remember, I remember being in Philadelphia and work in the nineteen ninety eight draft with Michael Lombardi and we had second round pick, and Hugh Douglas was at the Jets, and Hugh was a really a good player coming out of college. Jets draft him in the first round. Parcels wants to get rid of him. Mike Lombardi makes a deal because he goes, hey, man, I could get Hugh Douglas for a second round pick. And I'm looking at my board. I go, Mike, there's nobody

on that board in the second round. It's better than Hugh Douglas. You know. Tell me, tell me on your board who's better at the third round than to Neil Hunter. If you could pull that deal, you know, and you get that pass Rusher. So I'm all four deal like that. I don't know necessary if the Cowboys would do something, but I think that our show today is talking about options, that's an option I would surely consider. I agree completely. And you're looking at third round names like a maybe

a Cameron Thomas san Diego State, Arnold Evacadie from Penn State. Exactly, You're not You're not going to get a Daniel Hunter in the third round. At least that's gonna come in and look yeah, I mean, I mean there's all these guys to me that you know, if you're gonna if you're gonna try and grab a third round defensive end, I think you might be in a little bit of

a trouble there. So based off of what you're saying, four edge rushers that could plug and play, I think, well, I think so, I mean to me, I and I know people have him in different order. I really do like Thibadeau. I like Hutchinson a lot. I mean, Walker has elevated himself, and not just because of the workout. You could watch him play end, you could watch him play in defensive tackle. You know, as far as when

they go nickel stuff. I mean, it's a long bindy guys, you like to say, and you know with Karloftis, I mean that guy's got some really some quality traits too. Johnson, like I say, people will have Johnson in there as well. I just kind of feel like that. Now, those four guys I mentioned, and then the second round from there, I'm right there with your four first round grades. Carlotta is being the fourth of those. Now, how much do you play in whenever you're looking at these prospects and

you're thinking for the Cowboys specifically. I know we're not just a Cowboys show. We'd right to talk about the prospects too, so we can kind of relay this outside of that. How much do you play in the factor of fit with three four four three? I don't. Yeah, it does. It's not as much as he used to, not at all know because what happened, what was just proven this past year with Dan Quinn is the fact that he used the linebackers one of his best pass rushers. So I mean that that I think that to me,

it's about adaptability. It's about that, you know, with I mean we we all would Michael Parsons was a nice pick, but Micah Parsons became a rare pick when he became a pass rusher. And I don't think there were many draft shows where we came on and we're talking about Micah Parsons as being this rare pass rusher now. So it's about adaptability. It's almost some at times, out of necessity and maybe desperation, that you try things and you're like, my god, that thing just worked out Week two against

LA Yeah, that was desperation. You didn't have Brandy, you didn't have DeMarcus Lawrence, didn't have anything. You had to have Micah, Yeah, exactly. And once he once we all figured out that he could rush the pass or then he becomes the defensive player of the year kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah, ultimately. And by the way, the Cowboys, according to Todd Archer seventeen minutes ago, saying they are closing in on a

deal to retain defensive Endoorance Armstrong. Yeah, and you knew that was going to happen as soon as Randy was out the door. Yeah, the Lord's Armstrong is gonna happen. Maybe you get Brett Urban back. Maybe you know, they'll have a flurry of these signings now that are kind of you know, and will they go after a guy like Hunter and no, we but we have to talk

about it. Sure, you know, you have to say okay, and then when he ends up somewhere else, then we're all going to look at each other like, okay, well why not. And you know that's but I we knew this. You're gonna get all the flurry of those signings. Hopefully you'll you know, hopefully they'll get cursed done, you know, and then like a say, you'll have two or three other ones that should fall into place. Yeah, it's how did they use the money? How do they respond after

Randy put them in a tough spot? Ultimately the Randy Gregory's signing. Going into that, you felt like this offseason was heading in the right direction. I was. I went on Twitter and gave the front office credit for how they handled tank steal and then how they got Randy done, and then everybody's zombie now by well that aged well, and that's but that's you know, I was the nature of the league. Yeah, it's the nature of the league.

You know. You don't feel like you're going to sign a guy then lose a guy that That wasn't going to be the case now and up until the Randy debacle happened, really the only knock in the off season was the Amari Cooper and the trade there. And we talked about that a lot on Tuesday, and they'd had enough. They'd moved on from a market and you know, and

that's fine. They got the compensation they wanted, they got the contract off the books, and so they've got themselves to space and now you know, now go figure out what's going on at wide receiver. You know, make sure that Michael Gallup gets as completely as healthy as you can. Britt Brown and these guys do a hell of a job happen those ACL injuries. I have a feeling this

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of all your travel needs. Visit Cowboys Travel dot com. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. It's the second segment of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. And you know what that means? Is it there? Twitter? Got or athlete you're gonna read? Oh no, I didn't pull the read up in time. My bad. Uh yeah, welcome back in. Brian brought us Kyle Yeoman's Twitter on the twenty Time where we answer your questions off of Twitter. Let's stay away from edge rusher for a split second.

You may go back to it here in a little bit, but I know we talked about it a lot in the first segment. Let's go back to interior offensive line. If the Cowboys do indeed get lucky enough to pick Tyler Linderbaum out of Iowa at pick number twenty four. Who could they target in the later rounds two through seven at guard because double dipping on that offensive line to get two new starters in the draft. So basically you're talking about starter caliber players at guard from rounds

two through seven. I really do like when you start to talk about guys like Mumford from Ohio State. I think Ryan from UCLA. These are guys that played offensive tackled during the year. Chris Paul was another one. I'm not the basketball players that you see on the commercials, but Chris Paul, the from Memphis I think would be a guy that I would surely consider right there at

the guard spot. So yeah, I mean, you know, the Cowboys could very well fall in love with Green from Texas A and m at that spot, you know, I mean, it seems like to me he's slipping. Zion Johnson is a guy that's getting a lot of momentum. I could see the Cowboys totally being invested in a guy like Zion Johnson. Boston College has a great history. I know those are early guys Kinnard, Kentucky kind of earlier second

round potential guys. So but I would say I would keep an eye on Mumfro from Ohio, Day Ryan from Ucla, Chris Paul from from from Tulsa, Tulsa. That's say Memphis. Yeah I did, but that's okay, that's it. Yeah, Tulsa is what I meant. I'm sorry, Chris Baul. I like him a lot. He was a combined invite Senior Bowl guy. I really kind of stood out from time to time.

Wasn't the best player on the field by any means in terms of the offensive line in the guard position, but he was always a guy who you kind of kept an eye on. Yeah, do you think ed Ingram could potentially fall if if Kenyon Green is falling like he is? Do you think at Ingram out of LSU could be there at fifty six? You know what? I

really do like Ingram. He is my favorite guard. I just the reason I don't bring him up as much is because again, well he's not I've Green above him, and then I have Ingram, and then I have Johnson. Got it, just the just the preference that I have there. But yeah, I think with Ingram, I think there's some there's some people, I mean, there's some questions about like like how well he really moves I mean, people were talking about that early and I was watching the tape.

I watch a ton of LSU games, I mean, I watch every one of them. And I was watching the tape, and I was watching Alabama, and I was watching Texas A and M and I saw a second level blocker and all that. I mean, I didn't see a guy that struggle. I saw a guy that played with a lot of power. Though. That's the thing about it that I was really you know, I was kind of thinking about the you know, with the Cowboys situation there, you know,

playing inside. One of the thing that Jerry Jones is really, really, really big on is the fact that he wants though he doesn't want the front of the pocket to collapse, nobody does. Quarterbacks can't deal when they could deal with the edge, they can't deal with the with the what happens in front. And that's why you've seen Jerry Jones kind of invest in like Travis Frederick and Zach Martin

and you know, high picks on interior, you know, offensive lineman. Heck, you know, Connor McGovern had a grade of one two one, which is a if you know, low numbers the best and that that's the top of the second round. Wow, is where his grade was. But I mean the thing about Ingram, like, I mean, he's able to open some big holes. And I mean there's like you could see it behind him. They're running the football, the knee bind,

the body control, he gets his hands inside. I mean, I just see a powerful guy like forklifting his guy up, you know. So I just, you know, I just kind of thought he was a guy that i'd really really like six three three zero seven. You know, it's just kind of got that build to play inside. And you know, again, Zion Johnson's a little bit same height, about five pounds heavier if you want to if you want to tail the tape, No, that's great. And I'm looking at at

Ingram above Zion Johnson. They're touching tags right now. Yeah, And I thought about making that switch to Kenny. And I feel like, are the only two on this show that aren't as high on Zion as maybe a Cavanaugh. Yeah, And you know what, and you know, if he's selected by the Cowboys, please don't take me wrong. It might be just a bad day of watching take you know, but I just kind of feel like, though there's Green,

Ingram Johnson, they're all right there in a cluster. And if I don't be the first to admit, you know, when we get to the process, if the Cowboys take Zion Johnson and he steps in there and he gives you stability at that left guard spot, I'll be the first one to admit, because I do there's some issues I have. I think all these guys have got issues. And I can say, at twenty four, you're gonna have something that's gonna be wrong with you. You're gonna have

good things. You're gonna have like a list of take the legal pad. You're gonna have your good your good list on one side, and then you're gonna have two or three things on that other side that you're going, Okay, Can I live with this? Sure? Can I live with this? And I think all three of these guys, Johnson, Ingram Green have those kinds of abilities. It's the same kind of thing you talk about damaged goods. Yeah, you get to that ladder part. Still a really really good football player,

no question, no question. There's times where I've got into about the bosas and people like that. You know, guys, I still have like highly ranked I'm just letting you know there's things that you kind of look at that, you say, okay, this could keep him from being there's a reason why he's at twenty four and not at you know, not at eight or ten, top ten pick exactly.

Eric asked, if you're trading in between twenty four and fifty six, you're trying to get right back up and then the top fifty realm, what would that take and what would your strategy change, Like, how would it change

if you had three picks in the top fifty six. Yeah, I think my strategy it what it would take is I was trying to use I always like to use players, and I was trying to think about Jacksonville, and I was thinking about Jets, and I was thinking about Jacksonville with with really what the offensive lineman, you know, with Lyle Collins using him as a way to go from that, you know, in the middle of the second round, all

the way up, I was singing about the Jets. When it came to with the Maury Cooper trade, how do you get up into those spots? So yeah, I mean you've got you've got ammunition. You know, you think, like, well, the only fifth round picks put them all together. You know, somebody somebody will say, well, heck, yeah, I'll take your three and your two fives and we'll go you know.

I mean, so there's ways of doing it. I think people really you try and get people, let them keep their picks if you're interested in flopping picks is another thing that's really I think a really good weapon to use that some teams, like we saw in the Commanders and Colts trade was a flopping of where you're gonna pick. So, yeah, I was targeting, Like I said, I was now trying to think about Lyle Collins. But you know, Jacksonville has done a whole lot with their offensive line now and

stuff like that since we last talks. They've spent a lot of money. Yeah, they've spent a lot of money. And so but if you can, if you can take all those fives you got and put a couple of them with the three, you could go up as you know, you can go up into that area. I was talking about the thirty three to forty if you really but it's going to cost you probably you know, two or three picks to do it, and then possibly a player. Do you think Lyle could be kind of collaterized? I was,

you know, I was hopeful. But if if I'm hearing that Daniel Hunter, who is a really good player, is going for potentially a third round pick, then then you know what's Lyle Collins gonna go for? Is he gonna go for a four or five? I was hopeful of three was bet would be where he's at. But people are kind of in that mode right now. There's questions.

I know for a fact that the New England Patriots have talked about you know, Lyle Collins, and you know they moved on from Shaq Mason, I believe and stuff like that. So don't be surprised, like, you know, don't be surprised if the fifth round pick that the the the Patriots got, you know, in the Mason deal, ends up in Dallas for Lyle Collins or something like that. You know, I can see that happening. Aaron says, who does your top or who is your top graded kicker?

Have you watched any kicker? No? I mean okay, I think yeah. The thing about it is that you know, I know from a fact, you know, the kid at LSU, I've seen him with my own eyes, has been out Sanaa kde York. I think Oklahoma I think there's Texas has the Yeah, I mean there's you know, to me, when you got again, there's all those fives. You know, do you turn around and draft a kicker, you turn around and draft a punter. Have you looked at Ariza

from San Diego have seen him play? Yeah, it's pretty phenomenal. He has absolutely and probably going to have to go higher than you know, these kickers and putters. People are realizing that the kicking game is such an important part. Look at the Cincinnati Bengals. They lived on their kicking game the last part of the season, you know, and was able to make that work. So I don't think you could discount you know. I think the thing with Johnny Hecker being available now the Rams moving on from

him or I think they've moved on potentially. I know I was hearing some stories that they might. But yeah, and does Bones Fossil step in there, and I'm sure Bones will be at these workouts. I'm sure he's gonna go to Texas. I'm sure he's gonna go to LSU, you know. I'm sure he's gonna go all over the country, maybe go out to San Diego State to see if that kid is really as a as a weapon as he is, could be something interesting to look out for, because if you maybe take those fives, if you keep,

if you hold onto those fives, I'm with you. I would rather punch him up. Let's go up and get somebody. Yeah, maybe try and get in the top one hundred. Again, that's tough task. You may have to give up all four for that. But if you keep the fives, draft your punter, draft your kicker, that's what I'm mean to cheap. Yeah, that's exactly right. You know that you make sure that

you're keeping somebody else. These punters and kickers, though, we might see again, and we've seen it in history, you know, I mean not to like it was in the nineteen seventies when guys like Steve Little and Russell erk Slave and those guys were getting picked in the first round. I think John Lee was another one that was a really high pick. I mean, we used to see first and second round kickers all Sebastian Janikowski was the first round.

So yeah, I kind of feel like though that you'll see people probably take these punters and kickers earlier than maybe the Cowboys might be willing to. No, I agree with you, especially a reason because we were talking with Dane and the combine. You look at him almost as a defensive player, absolutely because of the way he can flip the field and kind of push an offense back

and put their backs against the wall. Stewart asks, since we lost Randy Gregory, since the Cowboys lost Randy Gregory in free agency, does edge rusher all of a sudden take priority over wide receiver, linebacker, offensive guard? How does it shift your needs immediately? I'd say this on one oh five three every day. If I if it's not helping Dak, I'm really not interested. That's my attitude. Now.

I'm I'm on the help Dak train. And so to me, if you know, dan Quinn has proven to me that he could take defensive players he didn't have his best defensive players. Are think gonna get all the turnovers they got last year? Maybe not, but you know, I think dan Quinn will do things to put his players in positions to make plays. So yeah, I mean to me, I don't sit there and just say, Okay, I've got to have a defensive end. Now I don't. And I'm

not saying Dorgs Armstrong, Hey, Dorn Starmstrong. Let me tell you, I got tired of seeing Dorance Armstrong have one great game and then have three bad ones where he was not a factory. Last year was Doran's Armstrong's best year as far as this consistency goes. I think he had one less sack than Randy Gregory and that thing, and

Dorn's Armstrong played really, really well. So let's see, I mean, let's see what you got with Golston, you know, I mean that's another one that I kind of saw some of the similar traits of what would Tank playing the run? Don't let him outside? You know? Is he the Pastors guy? Took Tank a little time to develop some pass rush moves and stuff like that. So maybe you'll see something

with Golston. But I don't think you necessarily have to say, Okay, we're just gonna we're just gonna draft a defensive end. I'm no help Dak Prescott, receiver, guard, center, whatever that is to help Dak Prescott. Make sure you get that done. Where do you put that those three those three positions, I think I would go offensive line first. They seem to have a pretty good feel for this when they plug and play. First round offensive lineman. Worked out Frelly

well for him, been pretty good. Huh yeah, yeah, it has Martin Travis Frey Smith. It's been a really good. Plug and play has been very very good for them. And you know, I'm hopeful that that if it's if it's Green or Johnson or Ingram or any of those guys, I'm hoping it's plug and play and let's go. Yeah, Or if it's Linda Baum the center from Iowa, let's go. You know, but this team has to find a way. They have to get back to running the football that

it helps Dak Prescott. We saw what it did the first eight weeks of the season and then the inability to not have to run the football, and then teams started playing. Teams were daring you to run the football and you couldn't run the football. Something has to change there. Yeah, Speaking of running the football, Michael asked about any day three running backs you could potentially look at that the Cowboys could be interested yet, you know, and I haven't.

It's interest because I haven't done a whole heck of a lot of it either. But I'll tell you what is I'm gonna probably say this poor kid's name wrong. Is it Carrian Williams from uh Kyran william from Dame from Notre Dame. Yeah, and and and this is this is Iron Williams is interesting because to me, he's a little bit of a shorter guy, five nine, one hundred ninety four pounds. They have him listened at five nine. I haven't updated that sheet. Yeah, I said no, No,

he's five nine from the combine pounds. And but man, this guy you talk about a short, compact build. He's got the body, control, the balance, he could stand his feet. He's a hard guy to knock down. And I think his lack of height actually help him get helps him get through tiny cracks and gaps and stuff. And you know when you feel like he's like he's trapped and now he's out. And so I kind of I kind of have him as this. Guys like that, you know, caving on them, might like to talk about the three

four cheater grade. I have him as straight four on this. But man, there's some running backs in this draft that you know, I'm sure that I'm gonna get through a lot of them, but the top guys. I don't have a first round running back, but I have a bunch I have several of them that are two's you know, Hall from Iowa State, Spiller from Texas A, and m Walker from Michigan State. Those are all like second round

running backs to me. I haven't put a third round running back in there yet, but those are the guys that I've kind of seen. Right now, I've watched five running backs and I've kind of like where I feel comfortable with it. And I've watched ten total just for the Draft magazine writing these these bios. And out of the five that I've watched, Spiller, Walker, Hall or my second round guys. And then after that, I've got Williams because I liked his scat back ability. Here catch out

a backfield ball. Yeah, James Cook from Georgia. I've heard good things about him, very good ball player. And then you've got a pretty big drop off from Cook, those five guys I feel really comfortable about. Then you've got Brian Robinson Junior from Alabama, DeVante Price from FIU who we saw at the Senior Bowl, longer, taller back, and then Abram Smith from Baylor who's just kind of a bowling ball bounder. Well, it's there, the kid like you

mentioned Cook, Robinson White. What about your guy Abram Smith. Did you mention him at all? Yeah? I did, And the reason why I like him is because he's compact, he's low tread on the tires. At the moment, he was only a full time running back his senior year. He was full time, but he didn't play a whole lot of freshman in a sophomore moved them the linebacker was nearly all Big twelve linebacker his junior year and

then flipped him back around. He had sixteen hundred yards and a ton of touchdowns thirteen touchdowns as a as a senior. Yeah, lowd tread on the tires. He's a physical back. Didn't perform as well as I thought he wouldn't in Indianapolis and also in Mobile. I thought both of them were kind of disappointed. And that might be something why some people have talked about him as like a fourth fifth round kind of guy. I wouldn't take him any higher than that got you just because of

the question marks there. And I think he's a good tailback, but he's not one of those guys that's going to come in and be a starter initially in the draft. What about Sam Williams from Ole Miss edge Rusher. Have you looked at him at all? No? And then you know, and a bunch of people have been have been tweeting at me about him, and yeah, so I'm very very interested about to see where he's at on the spoort.

It's amazing that I haven't got to him, and defensive end might be the position that I've seen the most of, which is really funny. Seven twelve another sixteen. I've seen sixteen guys and I haven't got to him yet. So, I mean, I think this is something I was going off. Dane bruglers Than sent me a list of guys and maybe initially he was not one of those guys that but yeah, I know that I have to look at him.

You said you've watched sixteen guys, seventeen guys. I have him as seventeen on my board and I haven't watched him yet either. Yeah, Cowboys met with him in Indy, so I know that that's one thing on him. And then he was a late addition to the Senior Bowl roster. There you go, So we'll answer that question at some point. That's our homework assignment for Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's funny because there's a lot of these guys you're trying to kind of catch back up that maybe somebody

like I said, I've really did you miss? Yeah? Who did I miss? You know? And I look at and you know, I'm looking at Dane Burglar's list they sent me, and I'm counting every one of these guys and so but there's names like Dominique Robertson from Miami, Ohio. That's been Sam Williams from Old Miss, John Pascal from Kentucky. I mean dominic Robinson from Miami, Ohio is like a two three on Dane's board. Sam Williams is a three,

you know. I mean these are guys that evidently because I've looked at priently of the Sanders from Cincinnati, Bonito from Oklahoma, Barno from Virginia Tech. I mean, these are guys at all. Sam Williams is on Dane's board now is better. But I mean, that's that's been the change from what we've seen. Now. Going back to what you were talking about a little bit ago about helping Dak Prescott in the way that you kind of organize your needs, Brandon asking, I'm gonna give you five names, okay, and

these all of these guys are available to pick twenty four. Okay, who are you taking? Treylon Burke's wide receiver out of Arkansas, George carloftus edge rusher from Purdue, Nikobe Dean linebacker from Georgia, Kenyon Green offensive guard from Texas A and M. And Jamison Williams wide receiver from Alabama. With Jamison Williams is

my number one wide receiver. So and then so then I think you would have to start as I looks as you just named, and I'll just tell you how my first round grades are, okay, and maybe that will help. I've got Jamison Williams is my number one wide receiver. I have Burkes as my number three wide receiver. You said, who's too, just curious Wilson? Okay, okay, And then you said the next one, you said Green. I have Green

in the second round. Okay. Now, when the Cowboys pick at twenty four, they're gonna pick a second round grade, likely unless somebody I've got twenty falls. Yeah, somebody falls. I've got twenty first round grades. So they're picking somebody at twenty four, they're likely picking a second round grade on your board, let's hope somebody falls. Yeah, let's hope somebody falls. But yeah, the first round, Dean was my

first linebacker. Carloftus is my fourth ed rusher. The guy that probably would help you the most is probably for those for now, depending on what Green again, I mean, I'm just looking at my grades. Jamison Williams would probably help you the most at wide receiver. Burks would probably help you the most at wide receiver. And now you're getting into carloft Is helping you on defense. I think I would take Carloftis over Dean on defense there, So

is there anybody else I'm missing? Then Green would probably be the fifth guy, but Green Green could very well step in and be plug in play. So you're still wide receivers one two there Burks or excuse me, Williams first, then Burks. Yeah, if you're just going for best, if you're just going off my board, if you're saying, okay, rank them, how they're on your board? Now, the Cowboys could say okay Green one. Uh, they could say Carloftis two,

Dean three. You know, they could they could totally you know, they could totally switch this thing up, and then the wide receivers could be not the priority here. But if you if I was drafting off my board and st my stack, my one to one ninety, Jamison, Williams and Burkes would be over, would be over Green and Dean and is what you mentioned. Yeah, I'm with you there. I think Williams and Burks would be over those two guys pretty easily. Karloftis is where I kind of have pause.

See I really like George use me. Yeah, you like him, you liked him, you like him as if guy, or you don't like him. I like him. Okay, See that's what I'm saying. That's to me people, He's going to be the one guy. If you said, okay, grab you know, grab the best player of need you know that's you just combined it too. That's all those guys are yes, I'd say Williams, Burks, Karloftis, Dean, All these guys are needs. It's a it's a really good question. Williams and Burks

are my top two wide receivers. Williams I have as a firm first round, Burks as a firm first round, but just a little bit below Williams. And then I've got Garrett Wilson right there in a bunch, and then it's Drake London, olave Met those are my next three. Yeah, I've got four Williams Wilson, Burke's Law. They are my four wide receiver. Sure and yeah, so I'm right there

with you. And then I turn around the edge rushers and those top four edge rushers I can't get away from Tobodeau, Hutchinson, Trayvon Walker from Georgia, and then Carlotas I've seen same. Well, those four guys are there. Yeah, I'm all over at at twenty four. But hey, that's a fun one, Brandon, good question. Good question. When we come back, we're going to talk about some Day three

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with Hellman and Kavanaugh on Tuesday. But I thought Brian, over the next thirteen minutes or so, we could get into some Day three guys, And honestly, in the second segment, I think we started kind of getting into the weeds there a little bit of Day three guys names that we haven't necessarily touched on, because I feel like we've hit pretty much every first round name you could possibly get to a certain extent over the course of this show, and then second round we've kind of tipped our toe.

What about Day three, maybe even late third round guys that you've you've watched, but you haven't necessarily had a chance to talk about yet. You know, I think to me that I brought up the I brought up the corner Emerson, Martin Emerson from Mississippi State. You know, I really do like him. I don't know, if you've seen Brian Cook, the safety from Cincinnati, have you looked at

him at all? No? I have not, Okay, and you know, I think to me that you know, when you if the Cowboys, depending on what they do at safety, if they don't, you know, we might all get surprised. And da Hill is the you know, the best player on the board, and they say, oh, we gotta have Dax Hill and you know from Michigan. But this Brian Cook from Cincinnati is an interesting guy just because it see six Onei's two h six. He's a transfer from Howard

and I really really like him around the line of scripts. Okay, you signed a Malik Hooker who could play a little bit more with range and on the back end, so maybe you need and depending on what you do with curse, I think is as you know, something that we have to also consider here. But this guy's like a really really physical player and you know, you know, if if you check his history too, he's had interceptions in the past, so you know, the ball skills and stuff where there.

He had a great one handed interception in the Indiana game I was watching, and another one against Alabama in the playoff game that I was watching, but he's kind of those guys that kind of floats in the secondary and then and then like really, you know, what's this assignment? And then he just kind of ghost with the ball, you know, but you see the awareness he doesn't get fooled. He's used as a blitzer, you know. I mean, he's

got to burst in the way he plays. I just kind of liked him as that, you know that that maybe that Day three guy that that has got some toughness to him, got some coverability to him, creates turnovers guy you can keep on keep an eye on for that for sure. Of an aggressive player pairing with Hooker, you can maybe put him in a rotation with Curse as a developmental guy, not a plug and play sort

of player and prospect. I'm also reading here this was the first year that he logged more than two hundred and twenty snaps period. Yeah, so playing time could certainly help him out in that regard as well. I like, where your heads out and I'll give you, let me give you. I'm just kind of going through my list of guys in this in this round. If you're talking about one technique guys and people have asked me a lot about Uh. You know on Twitter is a John

Ridgeway from Arkansas. Yeah, okay, go ahead if you want to, Ye, I have powerful smart player, uses great technique and strength to win at the point of attack. Run stuffer. He anchors the middle. Uh. Not going to have that side to side lateral movement as much as other top players

in the draft or top interior defensive lineman. But if you want a run stuffer and you want a guy who's going to anchor the middle of your defensive lines so your edge guys and your linebackers can run free, I think he's a guy you can pick up in the second and third round. Yeah. I have him more in the fourth myself, and I think to me, and

he'll probably go earlier than that. But you know, here's the guy at six five three and twenty one pounds, and I mean, I think the initial quickness is there and then sometimes he gets stuck along the line of scrimmage. But he could take up the blockers like your talk about. I don't think he's going to get a ton of sacks. But the best thing he does is he pushes the middle. You know, I mean the strength, the power is super impressive.

With the way this guy played. He was a transfer from Illinois State, and I could see him, Like I said, this is my notes and the last thing I could see this guy having a long career playing that one technique or nose that you know, these guys are always they kind of play eight ten years just taking up blocks, not getting pushed off the ball, being strong. John Ridgeway Arkansas.

Keep an eye on that one, probably maybe as a Day three guy that do something if the Cowboys, if in fact they're looking for if they if they don't get the opportunity to draft Matthias from Oklahoma or or ascue me from Alabama or Travis Jones from yukon something like that. Now you're talking about the guys like Ridgeway, Ferrell, another guy from LSU could be could definitely be in that mix it speaking of defensive line, and this name is just right in this conversation of the Jones and

the mathis is Logan Hall out of Houston. Yeah, he's gonna go a lot higher. But I totally, I totally get what you're saying here. But I don't know if we talked about him on this show specifically, what do you think about him? Because I've been a lot of questions about him too. I like him a lot. I think he's a great player. Yeah, this if if you remember how if you can envision David Irving, that's that's

the body type. And because you're looking at six six and two eighty three, maybe a little bit heavier than what than what David Irving was, But he's a three technique that people kind of feel like that he might be a defensive end to be an edge because I was thinking he was more like a five technique, which is in a three four front plays head up on the tackle in that, you know, and that kind of thing. But I think he could play as the three. I

think he could play as a five. That he's got that kind of ability I see, Like there, man, there's like some serious power with this guy. And there's several times when you watch him walk those guards back into the pocket and he runs really really well for his size. He doesn't get stuck in place too often, and he watched him control the gaps. Because of his size and

his length, he's able to kind of extend on guys. Now, if you're interested in param the yeah, Guards Center from Memphis, get a hold of the Houston Memphis game, and you can watch those two go at it, because it was a pretty good battle when those sides. So if you're looking for you know, if you're looking to try and sell parm to somebody, he did a pretty good job against Logan A Logan Hall and Parm was at the time was a smaller guy who's kind of bulked up

his you know, bulked up a little bit. But it was a pretty good battle between those guys. I watched that game. I watched SMU, I watched Cincinnati, and I'm right there with you. That five technique is something that is really intriguing. Do you have him in the interior would you rather have outside? I have him in. I put him as I left him at. I left him

at the three technique. I left him at the three And just because I kind of feel like that you know him, you know him Wyatt Lyale, you know Texas A and m Georgia guys, I kind of got him in that mix. I have this as a second round guy. Yeah, and then you know in the third round, then you know Winfrey would be a guy that's from the Oklahoma

cat there. So yeah, I mean they're kind of all in that in that it's a really good group of a good little pocket of those one and three technique guys any day three linebackers that you've had your eye on it all. Yeah, I mean I watched I watched Beavers, and I maybe, yeah, maybe I'm a little a little bit a little bit low on Beavers. But you know, he's a guy. I had him in the fourth round and he's probably gonna go higher than that, but I just didn't. I mean, he's really kind of and there's

this draft has a couple of these guys. He's throwbacks six four, two hundred and thirty seven pound linebackers that you know, but during this draft, and you know, he has the size. You know, I can say he has that size of a guy from another era of football. And but I do feel like he's got some range and I do feel really he's really good when the ball goes right at him because he's got the size and the strength to take blockers on and make the play. He's a good tackler. He's not gonna miss many of

those that I saw. Many of his coverage snaps aren't the types of plays where her he drops and then he can handle you know. I mean, he's just a kind of a basic cover guy, and so I'm kind of a I'm kind of a fan of his, but I saw there were some things that the cabbage wise bothered me a little bit, and it maybe, like I said, is uh, you know that would be something. How many

downs does this guy really really get to play? But if you watch him in the Notre Dame game and stuff like that, man, he created some turnovers and so you have to be you have to give him a tip of the cat for that. My favorite fun fact about Darien Beavers is the fact that he was a receiver and a safety in high school. You think about six foot four, two US and thirty pounds rolling down the sideline at wide receiver. And then he went to

Yukon initially and then transferred from Yukon to Cincinnati. And we make the joke about Georgia, how Georgia is gonna have an entire roster drafted. Cincinnati's got some defensive studs and a couple offensive guys for that matter, with a quarterback and Ritter and Alec Pierce a wide receiver, They've got guys scattered all throughout this trap. Yeah, and if I can give you one other player to please, and

this is like this Charlie Kohler higher. I mean, then, but I'm gonna give you a name of a guy to keep an eye on. Jake Ferguson from Wisconsin is a six five, two hundred and fifty pound tied in and this guy's got some really really soft hands. I mean he catches the ball super easily that he didn't fight it at all. He kind of frees himself downfield, like his big move his arm over and then like you get up on him and he like arm overs

and then he gets into his route. So you'll see this like two or three times a game that he does that. But he'll line up at various spots. Kind of feel like his best work is when he can line up in the slot as opposed to being in line. But he knows how to get open in the red zone and his height and his length give him a little bit of an advantage when he's in this area. And he's got some really kind of some nifty moves as well, So finishing blocks not the strongest suit of his.

He had a block in the Penn State game where he came off the ball and really punished this guy and that was kind of the first time I was like, WHOA, I guess he's capable of doing that. But there's times where he will catch a ball and go to the ground too. Maybe not a whole heck of a lot after the catch, but that red zone stuff and the soft receiver like hands really kind of get me a gimmick going there. I like the idea of him being

a blocker too, because he's a solid blocker. Yeah, and then he's probably a step down from the Widermeyer's and the McBride's yeah, dull shit shit and the records of the world. Yeah, probably that second tier of tight end. Yeah, I think there's a group and keep an eye on there's a group like a Coal Turner is another guy out of Nevada. Yeah, that I think I got this

in this like fourth round group of tight ends. Cole Turner from Nevada, Coal Cohler from Iowa State, Ferguson from Wisconsin who I mentioned and likely isn't that group too. That's Coastal Carolina right, yes, where that guy's so. Yeah, those are all kind of those guys in that fourth round that you know, if the cowboys, you know, if

that's the route they want to go. If it's just kind of a one year deal for Dalton Schultz, I kind of feel like there's a good group of tight ends from rounds three and four that you can maybe maybe grab a guy from and then well, I'm gonna end this segment. We've only got about a minute left.

But where we started with the secondary, one more name out of the secondary that's like a late third round, fourth round guy, maybe even Day three guy that you really like as maybe that backup plan if the Cowboys. I love Marcus Jones, the short a short corner from Houston. I mean, and I think that people will probably ding him for being, you know, for his lack of height. I think he's right at five eight is what, Yeah, five eight, one seventy four. This is guy. And I'm

just gonna this and I'll leave it with this. This is one of the the most dynamic players I've I've studied in the country this year. I mean, he can play as a specialist and as a returner. He could be in nickel. He's fearless, the way he plays with the ball in his hands, the change of direction, all that stuff. He'll come forward, he'll make plays I said in my last line, don't sleep on this player due to his height. He is really a good player. I think you're spot on.

Because he is short, he's he's five eight, He's won seventy four. He's not He's not perfect for everybody, but somebody is going to get He started his career at Troy there in Alabama and then transferred to Houston. But man, this guy sees the entire field and he has rare ability as a returner. He probably really does. I had a note that you had mentioned him, yeah, about a month ago. Keep an eye on him, and keep an eye on him. He's worked his way in a couple

of weeks. Gonna Yeah, he's gonna go a lot earlier than I have him. But I just I think the players got some special traits to him. Don't look the lack of height fool you there that this guy's gonna play in the league. Well, Brian, it was a lot of fun. He was fun. Thank you, man, I appreciate you. Absolutely. We'll be back on Tuesday with Jeff Kavanaugh, David Hellman and the entire group here from the Star in Frisco. Hope this made you feel a little bit better. About

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